James Dobson: 'Millions of Muslims want to kill us'

Make the horses ready..sharpen thy spear!
It's a holy war a commin!

There is a notable lack of a plan in what Dobson outlines - as the article asks, what does he propose doing about the fact that at least 1.2 million Muslims want to kill us? Should we kill them first? WWJD?

The bottom line that even a very small percentage of 1.2 billion people wanting to kill us adds up to a lot of people wanting to kill us.

Frank James makes a good point in that -- even if a few of the flabbier minds posting here choose to ignore the threat -- Washington Liberals see the danger clearly and do not call for "negotiating with terrorists".

A tangential issue:

When I read the first reports of the violent reaction to the Pope's address (in which he qoutes Emperor Manuel II) my initial reaction was I'd wished the impolitic old fool had just kept his mouth shut.

However, it must be noted that he was addressing a small seminar of his former students, and that his remarks were not intended for world wide consumption.

Secondly, and even more to the point, after carefully reading the text of the address (available online) I have to say that the thesis is valid.

Very briefly stated, it is:
God is reason. Reason is God. Ergo, a faith in God that defies reason defies God.

""I want to tell you this. There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world and a small percentage of a big number is a very big number. And out of 1.2 billion, the estimates I've seen are indicate that somewhere between 10 and 15 percent do buy into the notion that jihad calls for the killing of infidels."

Hey Jimmy!
10 or 15% of Americans would have voted for Hitler. Jews were hated by many in this country in the 30's-50's. What's your point?

Oh, yeah, I forgot. YOU DON"T HAVE A POINT. (not shouting, just emphasis) You just want to gin up the religious fear factor.

My God, man! 10 to 15% of everybody are dumb as dirt!

JD,JOHN D,PAULO, this is the right. Speaking and saying what and how the right feels. If you even think these kinds of statements help. They don't ask the Pope. Religion like this should not be in politics and should not put our troops in the middle of a death list. Now by saying what he did he inrages our enemies.And this JD is why I have loss Faith in the Republican Party. When the party agrees with him they now become a party I want nothing to do with.

“There may be some liberal somewhere in the country who has called for such negotiations for all I know. But liberals in Washington haven't. So why do Perkins and some other conservatives keep saying this?”

You know Frank, I hear some posters here repeating this same line of bull, and for the life of me I don’t know where they get it from? Rush Limbaugh? Fox News? Or maybe just some RNC propaganda from their website? At any rate it has a definite Karl Rove kind of ring to it, “say it long enough and loud enough until people start to believe it”

Have any of these people, Dobson, Perkins, the adoring crowd, ever read Sinclair Lewis's great book, Elmer Gantry? You could spend hours it in with names and events from today.

IT'S A WARNING, PEOPLE. (Shouting, not emphasis this time)

Here is a synopsis I pulled off the internet ;
www.enotes.com/elmer-gantry/

Sinclair Lewis’s Elmer Gantry (New York, 1927) is a ferocious satire against Protestant fundamentalist religion in the American Midwest. It tells the story of a hypocritical, corrupt, but very successful preacher named Elmer Gantry. Elmer starts his career as a Baptist and then joins up with a charismatic but equally unprincipled female revivalist preacher. After her death, he joins the Methodist Church. Amoral and relentlessly ambitious, Elmer builds a statewide and national reputation as a fiery preacher who never tires of denouncing vice, while at the same time feeling no need to curb his own vices, particularly adultery.

Besides being an effective satire targeted against religious hypocrisy, Elmer Gantry provides insight into the clash of cultural forces in America in the 1920s. During this period, traditional religious believers were deeply disturbed by the encroachments made on faith by science and secularism. They also decried the growth within the church of the “higher criticism,” that sought to understand the Bible based on modern methods of scholarship.

On publication, Elmer Gantry had a sensational reception. So scandalous was Lewis’s portrayal of religion that the novel was banned in several cities and denounced from pulpits across the nation. The famous evangelist Billy Sunday called Lewis “Satan’s cohort.”

Over seventy-five years after it first appeared, Elmer Gantry still has power to shock as well as amuse.

"So why do Perkins and some other conservatives keep saying this?"

Because they are liars, plain and simple.
And they are not Christians, either.

Talk about red herrings - what was that Bible verse all about - haven't you heard about Jericho? Who was David? Perhaps you think he's the guy who had tea with Goliath? And who was Gideon? Maybe before you attempt to use Dobson's Bible against him you should read all of it. It makes more sense that way. When asked about turning the cheek, Jesus said to turn the other cheek 70 times 7. That puts the number at 490. The jihadis hit that number in the first tower.

Conservatives don't like the liberal approach because liberals
a)don't recognize our conflict with terrorism as a war - to them it's a police action. This makes them reactive not proactive and cold comfort for the dead.
b)they don't appear to let failure of a policy get in their way of repeating it, think North Korea
and
c)Abandonment of Iraq. Liberals don't like the war. So be it. So their answer is to LOSE IT. Unless of course a democrat was in the White House then they would support it, and never ask the salient questions.

I wasn't a fan of Kosovo (don't we still have troops there and what's the exit plan?) but I wouldn't want to withdraw before security is in place.

The problem with democrats/liberals is that they have positioned themselves such that what is bad for the country is good for them.

Who votes for that?

And yes, that would also be why we question their patriotism.

James Dobson, like so many other religious leaders
, are either ingnorant of the violent history of their own religion or chose to pretend that it never happened. More blood has been spilled under the banner of a Christian God over the centuries then any other religion the human race has created.

Kathy...Your "war" on terrorism is now located in Iraq..where there were no terrorist before.
YOU created it! Plain and simple! We liberals
realize there are terrorists, we just don't believe in creating more by a "war" we were mislead into. YOU have not secured "our" borders yet! You can solve that terror legislation in 2 weeks but have done nothing about illegal immigration. You have full support in both congress and the house and you say you can't get it done? I guess securing the border isn't a front in the war on terror huh?

I would say the same thing about republicans as to positioning themselves for whats bad for the country is good for them. However I would not question your patriotism..just your poor judgement. I can tell you having served our country in Nam, listening to you question "my" patriotism, coming from one whose closest call in war was to be infront of your big screen TV,
Makes me sick!

Juanito,

The pope has to remember that where ever,and when ever he speaks, he is on a worldwide stage,with a bullhorn.

George W. Bush is an example of a person who is speaking on the worldwide stage,and frequently forgets this.

Kathy,
The Bible is not a manual or instruction guide
for waging war, despite your and other like minded individuals perverted interpretation of it.

Tim, you got proof?

Wrap all the religous wars over all the centuries and you have nothing like the killing in the name of the state/secular leader:

Stalin comes in with 20 million killed in his name.

Mao comes in with 40 million killed name.

For reference, Hitler isn't even close to Stalin or Mao.

Frank James claims that Dobson's statement that some Liberals want to negotiate with terrorists is "the reddest of red herrings. I've never heard Liberals in Washington say so."

Frank James plea of deafness, or perhaps ignorance, is very believable. However, I did an internet search for the words Democrat/negotiate/terrorists and got 44,700 hits. Many of the hits show Liberals, in Washington, advocating negotiation with terrorists. For example, check out the 6-15-2006 CNS news story where Joe Wilson advocates precisely that. The story is headlined, "US should negotiate with Iraqi terrorists":
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200606/NAT20060615a.html

Wilson said this in Washington. Guess Frank James wasn't listening that day.

I can give many other examples. For example former Dem Congressional candidate Andrew Kaza proclaims on his blog, "We can't negotiate with terrorists! Wrong".

What Dobson said was and is perfectly true. The hysterical reactions of Frank James and other Liberals to Dobsom's statements only underscores how detached they are from reality.

Couldn't you claim that 10-15% of every population are extremist. I'm sure that 10% of Canadians want to kill Americans as well. Does that mean we should declare a holy war on them? If this percentage is this low, then why single out the muslim religion, when I'm sure that there are plenty of "Christians" who want to destroy America because it is too sinful and godless.

Tim, I'd like to see your numbers on that - an actual summary or perhaps that comment more knee-jerk rhetoric about Christians=Islamofascists?

How many people died last year religously endorsed by Christians? How many died last year because of religiously endorsed muslims?

Do the math.

When people bash Christianity, I wonder if it's just fashionable bigotry, or a genuine deficit of education.

When people bash Christianity, I wonder if it's just fashionable bigotry, or a genuine deficit of education.
Posted by: Kathy | Sep 23, 2006 2:26:19 PM

It is people like Perkins and Dobson, smug in their "deficit of knowledge" of Scripture , that are rightly being bashed - not Christianity.
Dobson and Perkins are not Christianity.

Many more Christians could truthfully claim the moral high ground if they stopped being religious or Christians and became true followers of the example of Christ.

What good does it do to question the sincerity of the religious right and/or of the secular left? Yes, there are Christian hypocrites and, yes, murder has been committed in the name of religion and, yes, communist leades killed millions in the last century.

Let's get on with life.

Stop calling names.

How should America deal with the fact that a lot of people don't like us and that some of them have succeeded in acting on their hatred?

That's what we all want to know.

Kathy...I take it all back. I see that you have been in battle many times leading your war in the name of Jesus. You are clueless!

It is amazing to me all the hatred I see for Christians in this country. Jim Dobson is a good man who has done nothing but tray and help people his whole. Yet he draws many who trash his good name and accuse him of every sort of evil. Well, Jesus told us in scripture that we would be hated and rejected just as he was.

I agree with Dobson that you can't negotiate with someone that doesn't want to negotiate with you. many seem to think that the terrorists would leave us alone if we simply stopped being allies with Israel. That would make them happy, but they would still hate us and consider is infidels, which in their mind means that they should kill us if we don't convert to their way of thinking. That is insane, which kind of proves the point that you can't negotiate with these people.

I also agree with Dobson that not all Muslims feel this way, and I wonder why they do not as a larger group address this issue. My guess is that they are afraid that if they speak out that they would be considered infidels and would be killed in a horrible manner.

"It is people like Perkins and Dobson, smug in their "deficit of knowledge" of Scripture , that are rightly being bashed - not Christianity.
Dobson and Perkins are not Christianity.

Posted by: johnf | Sep 23, 2006 3:45:44 PM"

John F,

You are so right.

I am not a practicing Christian, but I admire Jesus as perhaps the greatest moral teacher in all of history.

It's the awful, ugly face of modern political Christianity that I despise.

Bruce,

Why don't you try actually READING the article you're citing for a change? Nowhere in that article, other than the headline, does Wilson actually say "we should negotiate with the terrorists." Nowhere.

What Wilson DOES say is that we should negotiate with Jordan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey to get them to stop funding the madarrassas, which is a world of difference from actually negotiating with terrorists. He also says that he doesn't support immediate withdrawl from Iraq, hardly a liberal left-wing pro-terrorist position, don't you think?

Upon further inspection, CNS news service is a conservative slanted news service that was originally named "Conservative News Service" before they figured out that they were being too honest. It was founded by a RNC operative. That you'd try to pass this off as legit is laughable.

"Wrap all the religous wars over all the centuries and you have nothing like the killing in the name of the state/secular leader:

Stalin comes in with 20 million killed in his name.

Mao comes in with 40 million killed name.

For reference, Hitler isn't even close to Stalin or Mao.

Posted by: Mark | Sep 23, 2006 1:35:27 PM"

Mark,

That's due to the fact that the major religious wars took place prior to the 20th century, when they lacked the technically advanced weapons to efficiently kill millions.

They woulda if they coulda.

Let's not forget the religious overtones of Hitler's killing of the Jews.

Another example;
There were over two million collateral damage deaths in Vietnam during our effort there. I have heard estimates as high as 3 million. So, that does support your point about secular war killing being pretty bad.

And of course, the Russians, our ally, suffered the brunt of Hitler's WWII killing, suffering nearly 20meg secular deaths at the hands of the Germans.

So sleep well. Religious killing may still have a way to go to catch up. What we really need is a religious war using modern technology! Get em boys!

Aaron,

We are debating here. OK?

We HAVE to question the sincerity of the RR because they are trying to stick it to America and break it off based on their self righteous claims of divine approval and even, direct contact with the ultimate and unnamable deity. (God)

Why do they want to kill us ? Because of our meddling US foreign policy. Vacate the Middle East and we can wash our hands of the problem. It's that simple.

I hate US foreign policy, and I'm an American. And every American should hate it because it gets thousands of Americans killed. 54,000 Americans died "to stop the spread of communism;" today Viet Nam is communist, is that a problem worth dieing for.

The Bible - despite its message of love and charity - has often been used throughout history to oppose democracy and women's rights, to justify slavery and even mass murder.

I love how today's Christians tend to cherry-pick which Bible verses they will follow and which ones they find inconvenient. Or better yet, which ones are to be interpreted literally and which will be viewed more figurately.

Unfortunately, their approach to terrorism is neither effective nor Christ-like. I'd love to see a self-professed Christian politician actually vote and govern more like the Christ.

I did the math Kathy but looks like you were sleeping during your math class. Look back over the centuries, not just one year.
Or is it you are just as ignorant of your religions past as your religious leaders.

Well, if Americans stop acting like they own the world and stop doing pre-emptive strikes against countries based on faulty information, maybe they wouldn't be so disliked. DUH!

Instead of taking notes from those that claim to hold America's moral authority, why not question instead what really happened to American democracy when it used to be a beacon for the rest of the world. What happened?

Wait, so all of this fellow's followers should amount to , what 10%-15% of Americans ? who want to kill Muslims? or Invade countries just because they couldn't find one guy in a desert waste land??? (Haha, just so you know many of those Billions of Muslims ARE Americans, why would they want to kill themself? After all it is the 2nd largest Religion & Fastest Growing right here in the US of A, which, might I add, was founded with the passion of millions to be able to be FREE from the same thing this loser here wants to do)

Aaron,

Here I go niggling again. There is such a thing as both a Secular Right and a Religious Left. They just don't get the headlines.

Anyway, thank you for cutting through all squabbling and focusing on the point:
"How should America deal with the fact that a lot of people don't like us and that some of them have succeeded in acting on their hatred?"

Islamism goes farther than the type of hatreds we normally see in our culture. C. Morris is probably correct when he points out that "10 or 15% of Americans would have voted for Hitler. Jews were hated by many in this country in the 30's-50's." (Except that I would say that Jews are still hated no less today.) However, there hasn't been an American Holocaust.

Jon tells us "I'm sure that 10% of Canadians want to kill Americans as well." I don't know how many may want to kill us, but I'm sure that a much higher percentage than that strongly dislike (even hate) us. And yet there has been no Canadian threat to our safety.

Whatever the actual percentage of the World's Muslims may be who are ACTIVE Islamists -- even if it's only thousands out of the 1.2 bil total -- they represent a unique danger. Islamism is a bitter hatred coupled with an utterly irrational religiosity*. Islamists terrorists are willing, nay, eager to die in the act of killing as many of us as possible. The fact that their number may be overstated (and I don't know that) is a cold comfort.

Indeed, how do we deal with this? These aren't angry Canadians, eh?

* The irrational nature of their particular religiosity is at the core of the Pope's problematic statement: That is, not to act with reason is contrary to God's nature.

What strikes me is that anyone doubts the truth of what Dobson said.

It shocks me how some people still don't understand that there are people who want to kill us. Not politically correct, but true: there are 164 references to violence/jihad in the Koran that glorify it(eg beheading the enemy is in the Koran). Take it literally,and that's how you get at least a couple million people ready to kill us infidels. Pope Benedict shined a light on the fact that reason cannot be separated from faith, but very few bothered to find out what he said in his speech. All we heard about was a single quote that was taken out of context, and immediately some Muslims torched churches, killed an old nun in Sudan, and of course are threatening to assassinate Benedict. Such ridiculous behavior doesn't even surprise anyone, as Theo van Gogh was murdered for making a film unflattering to Islam, and riots and murders ensued across the globe over some dumb cartoons. COME ON!!! If Christians carried on like that in this day and age of "Jesus Christ!" said as a curse and the Da Vinci Code (just for starters), we'd be having riots, burning houses of worship and murdering filmakers everyday. But we wouldn't have much backing from the Bible or our church leaders--it is against our religion. Can the same be said for Islam? Christianity has regrettably used violence in the past as well, but that was in the 1500s, when everyone did, including the Muslims. We've, uh, matured a bit since then. It's 2006, people.

One of the very first comments say:
'why didn't the impolitic old fool keep his mouth shut?'...
what garbage. I think that people learn, at least by 1st grade, that appeasing the bully does not stop the abuse...rather CONFRONTING & STICKING up for yourself does! Isn't the latest 'rape advice' now: fight, instead of advice from the past which was: don't aggravate him, don't enrage him!!
Everyone on this board better try reading history books, esp the Prophet's teachings. Then decide if you wish to live in a Muslim-majority state (ask those current inhabitants!) or in a democratic republic!

As a commentator Dobson is not qualified to be taken seriously on International Affairs.

As a Christian Dobson confuses his individual religious freedom and individual conscience with his passion for influence in our country's cultural and political direction.

While he has strengths in his approach, he can come across as self righteous and self serving.

To say you turn the other cheek in reference to terrorist killing innocent people is a pathetic attempt at scripture and proves what has always been none about liberals... They have no regard for life except there own. Capital crimes aren't deserving of death penalty... Unborn children aren't entitled to life and breath because you have no regard for life except your own. When you don't retaliate death with justice and judgement of some sort then you decide for all that life as no value. So YES killing someone in response of murder is protecting the sanctity of a living human being... Blowing up an abortion clinic is some fools (murderers) who don't understand the laws of the land which must be followed. I'm much more patient and prefer to wait on God's judgement of those who murder the unborn.

James Dobson is indulging in demagogy, of the theocratic fascist variety.

In he believes what he says, he has the task of sorting out around 6 million or more Muslims who 'want to kill us' and then putting them to death, since it's not practical to jail them all for life.

There's no changing their minds, since that would involve 'dialogue,' which sounds similiar to the wimpy 'negotiations' he dismisses.

Just how, one might ask, does he want us to kill them?

We can't have trials, since that's too much like the outcome of wimpy 'police action' that he also dismisses.

Bullets in the back of the head? Put them in cattle cars and fill it with poison gas? Or pour in gasoline and light a match? Gather them in one spot and use a tactical nuke? Seriously, if you want us to kill them before they kill us, tell us what you have in mind?

And this is from a Minister of the Gospel? If so, he'd make a blasphemer blush.

But here's another question for Dobson and his followers. Once you kill your 6 million or so, what happens the next day? And the day after that? What do you think the remaining billion or so Muslims are going to do? Along with the rest of the planet that hasn't succumbed to your version of the End Times?

All these blowhards are checker players rather than chess players. They think 'an eye for an eye', which is one move deep, and have no idea of how to think five moves deep.

It's not 'weak' vs 'tough' on terrorism, it's 'smart' vs 'dumb', and these folks aren't smart at all, except maybe in how to hoodwink some of the people some of the time.

Everyone on this board better try reading history books, esp the Prophet's teachings. Then decide if you wish to live in a Muslim-majority state (ask those current inhabitants!) or in a democratic republic!

Posted by: Barbara | Sep 23, 2006 9:40:47 PM

Why Barbara.....Is that like you" with us or against us?" Are "you" trying to bully me into a
choice?

One of the very first comments say:
'why didn't the impolitic old fool keep his mouth shut?'...

what garbage...

Posted by: Barbara | Sep 23, 2006 9:40:47 PM

Barbara, please read the entire post. Then comment.

"We HAVE to question the sincerity of the RR because they are trying to stick it to America and break it off based on their self righteous claims of divine approval and even, direct contact with the ultimate and unnamable deity. (God)"

Posted by: C.Morris | Sep 23, 2006 7:10:56 PM

I think it is more important that we question their COMPETENCE. We both (I thought) came to the conclusion in an earlier thread that sincerity (or the lack of it) is really a non issue.

But besides examining competence we have to look at the whole of the Bush presidency. The most bothersome aspect of that for me is the Right Wing doctrine of the "Unitary Presidency" -- in other words consolidating political power in the executive.

And in light of THAT, maybe we're better off that they are not all that competent.

Interestingly, according to a 2005 Rasmussen poll (see http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/London%20Bombing.htm

9% of Democrats want to negotiate with terrorists. In all probability, that number is higher these days. Many liberals desire negotiations--to pretend otherwise is to deny reality.

I'm glad to hear someone begin to consider the percentages we're up against. What percentage of Iraqis do you figure we're up against? 10 percent? That means 90 percent are "with us," right? Isn't it surprising that we can't control 10 percent of the Iraqi population when we have 90 percent on our side?

Here's the problem, and it's been the problem since DAY ONE.

We never bothered to identify WHO the 10 percent really are and distinguish them from the 90 percent who are on our side.

Maybe that was an impossibility. Or maybe we thought we'd recognize them by the rose pedals they'd throw at our feet every time an American walked by or by the American flags they'd be waving every time our tanks rumbled by.

Or maybe we just got lazy and started to assume they were all against us since they all looked alike.

Either way, 3 years into this third world war and we still can't seem to distinguish the enemy from our allies. This confusion likely increases the percentages against us when we "rape, pillage and burn" (a nice little cadence I learned while I served in the Army) innocent civilians.

Dobson's not too far off in his thinking. But what he needs to consider is, "How do we identify those who are 'with us' so that we can team (don't call that "negotiations" if you don't want to) with them to defeat the one-tenth of one percent that are against us?"

I am sure that many of you liberals out there have heard of Sam Harris, and I would venture that the same is true of you conservatives.

Among other things he is the author of a book called "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future of Reason" and his next book "Letter to a Christian Nation" will be published this week.

On September 18 he had a piece in the L.A. Times entitled:

HEAD-IN-THE-SAND LIBERALS
Western civilization really is at risk with Muslim extremists

Quotes - "Perhaps I should establish my liberal bona fides at the outset. I'd like to see taxes raised on the wealthy, drugs decriminalized and homosexuals free to marry. I also think that the Bush administration deserves most of the criticism it has received in the last 6 years - especially with respect to its waging of the war in Iraq, its scuttling of science and its fiscal irresponsibility.

"But my correspondence with liberals has convinced me that liberalism has grown dangerously out of touch with the realities of our world - specifically with what devout Muslims believe about the West, about paradise and about the ultimate ascendance of their faith.

"On questions of national security, I am now as wary of my fellow liberals as I am of the religious demagogues on the Christian right.

"This may seem like frank acquiescence to the charge that "liberals are soft on terrorism." It is, and they are."

Howdoyalike THEM apples? (that's me)

Google either Sam Harris or the L.A. Times and the whole piece is there.

UNDERSTAND - I'm not trying to prevent ANY of you from having a good old down home country food-fight - goodness knows I've enjoyed enough of them in my time, but there is something we should all agree on, and that is it.

Can we talk?

afn&tt

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"I think it is more important that we question their COMPETENCE. We both (I thought) came to the conclusion in an earlier thread that sincerity (or the lack of it) is really a non issue."

Juanito,

AAH, hoisted on my own petard, good catch.

Sorry, folks, but for us to ignore the fact that millions of Islamacists are completely off the charts must be addressed. We cannot ignore that enough of them want to do nothing more than to kill. Turning a blind eye to it, being PC about it will not change the fact that too many of these people are about murdering those who aren't Islamic kooks. They even kill their own if they are not kooky enough.

I don't necessarily have all the answers as to how you deal with millions of people who want to do nothing more than to kill and are willing to kill themselves in the process. But I do know they aren't the way they are because of our actions, because of Israel, because they are poor (and reall, whose fault is that anyway in these oil-rich nations?), etc. I also know that being kind to them will change nothing either. Being kind to John Gacy wouldn't stop him from being the fiend he was and the mindset is the same for Islamic fanatics.

Jaunito,

Further rummaging around in my memory reveals that I said,
'If they are sincere only make them more dangerous', or words to that effect.

So, while competence is important, if they are sincere and competent it would make them doubly dangerous.

Self-righteousness - now that's a laugh - you liberals would be the experts. And competence? Really do you want to have that debate? Your last two presidents were wieners all right. One gave us record inflation, unemployment, surrendered the Panama Canal, and laid the foundation for Iran's current government, and the other couldn't tend to Bin Laden because he had a booty call.

Competence. LOL.

As to the math - Tim - someone did it for you - guess you missed all the deaths caused by secular governments during the most recent century. (And that's a little more than a year, fella, but having read your comment figured I'd better select a smaller sample, one year seemed your maximum comprehension level.)

Ignorance and self-righteous bigoty - and now you've got the answers to your minority status. But I'm the one who doesn't have a clue... OK.

And for the person who said we didn't have terrorists until they were created by the Iraq war - where were you on 9/11?

What is it about the flypaper strategy you don't understand? We fight them there, or we fight them here.

The police action approach involves more 9/11-type domestic attacks. No thanks.

Taking out your political frustrations on the religious right is just plain ugly. Oh there's some of you, who like Bin Laden, hate Christians. Nice company you keep.

And yes that's why we question your patriotism.

Jaunito,

Further rummaging around in my memory reveals that I said,
'If they are sincere only make them more dangerous', or words to that effect.

So, while competence is important, if they are sincere and competent it would make them doubly dangerous.
Posted by: C.Morris | Sep 25, 2006 9:05:21 AM

C.,
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Whether politcians are sincere or not, many sincerely religious voters will happily go along with a religion-based political agenda, and that -- i think we can agree to agree -- is deeply disturbing.

Kathy,

The Christian RR need to face it;
They are no longer the martyrs,
they are the Romans.

And as you have pointed out, we don't even need them to protect us. We seculars can kill well enough on our own.

I wonder if Dobson even knows any Arabs - or Muslims? The two are not the same. I know some Arab Christians who dislike American foreign policy as much as their Muslin countrymen and women.
A lot of dislike of America was generated during the Cold War when we backed almost any dictator who said he was against communism. These dictators took the foreign aid we sent them and enriched themselves and when the aid took the form of arms, they used them on their own people, primarily their political opponents. They ruled countries like Iran, Argentina, Chile, Egypt, etc etc. People abroad couldn't understand how America could do such a thing! And then we hear stupid remarks like "they hate us because of our freedoms".

The on going world-wide war against terrorism must be dealt with by using a concise and well thought out plan of attack. Military might/force alone will not defeat terrorism. We in the United States can not eradicate terrorism by ourselves. The fight against terrorism is not just an American or Western civilization problem, but it’s a problem that faces all civilized people on this planet.

I have a feeling that the present Bush Administration does not fully understand, nor feel compelled to grasp those simple concepts. The White House likes to connect terrorism with the war in Iraq when the two are actually very separate issues. We could literally bomb Iraq and/or Iran back into the stone age and the threat of terrorism would not go away.

Other people like to connect the war on terrorism with some type of religious jihad that reduces the problem to a battle between Judo-Christians and Muslim extremists. The problem is a great deal more complex than that.

As we all know, the fight over control of the religious minds of people around the world has gone on for hundreds, even thousands of years. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Thirty Year’s War; and the Protestant vs. Catholic conflict in Northern Ireland are all examples of religious wars that accomplished very little. The number of people who have been killed in the name of religion through out history is impossible to calculate.

Our battle against terrorism will continue on long after the present administration is gone. Old bridges of trust and mutual respect between ourselves and our allies, must be rebuilt, and diplomacy must be the watch-word if the war against terrorism is to be won. Collectively the world can defeat terrorism. We, as one nation, can not!

America is still living in denial even after having the WTC attacked by rabid muslims TWICE! If you people love the jihadists so much, do your country a favor, and move to the Middle East and ENJOY! The world muslim community declared a holy war against America years ago! Americans are so dumbed down they don't even know it.