Justice at Guantanamo

Military Courts would be fair. Let these terrorist go on trail now.

Let's free them all and close Gitmo. I bet our generosity of letting them free will cause them to like us and not attack us ever again. Hopefully they'll tell thier friends too.

Wow, being a liberal is sooo, well ....liberating!

Oh wait.

JD, here's an even better idea. Let's give each of them a position as CEO of a Fortune 500 company or perhaps a congressional seat. It would be a perfect match for their abilities.

Face it, even if they are locked away forever, they are being recreated at an exponential rate every day that passes, thanks to our world policies.

Oh DD, likening head-chopping killers with CEOs and congressmen. You see, JD, another benefit to being a liberal is being so completely clueless and to blame the U.S. for everything that happens.
I wonder, though, if U.S. policies are to blame for creating terrorists, what in the world did Clinton do in the 1990s to create the terrorists that blew up our embassies, to attack the WTC in 1993, to blow up the USS Cole in 2000 and to plan the destruction of the WTC in 2001??

"I bet our generosity of letting them free will cause them to like us and not attack us ever again."

Thery probably won't even write a thank you note for the hospitality.

Maybe you could charge them for the cost of getting them to Gitmo, plus a daily rate for their board and lodgings. That way you'll recoup some of the losses.

Of course, you could stop detaining people without trial or without recourse to consular or legal assistance. You could also stop the kidnappings - sorry - extraordinary renditions as well. Perhaps it would be a good idea if you didn't employ detention facilities in countries that ignore the use of torture.
While you're at it, you could stop executing the mentally impairedl.

http://www.amnesty.ie/user/content/view/full/5125

Foolish of me really - when a country treats its own citizens with such abject contempt - it's probably overly optimistic to expect it to regard citizens of any other country as anything other than well down the evolutionary scale. Can you still mention evolution in Bush's America?

But anyway, thanx ever so for your generosity JD. You really are making the world a better, safer place - even for hate filled leftie ingrates like me.

What, JohnD, got too used to keying in JD? That's OK, we all know you take multiple forms :-) I usually don't like to acknowwledge your presense and your odious postings, but in view of the gross offensiveness of this one, I'll make an exception.

Are U.S. policies responsible for these terrorists? Actually yes:

"Saudi Arabia is home to some of Islam's holiest sites and the deployment of US forces there was seen as a historic betrayal by many Islamists, notably Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden used American presence to justify anti-US attacks.

It is one of the main reasons given by the Saudi-born dissident - blamed by Washington for the 11 September attacks - to justify violence against the United States and its allies."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm

OK history quiz time:

(1) Who placed U.S. troops on the ground in Saudi Arabia? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't Bill Clinton.

(2) Who placed U.S. troops on the ground in Somalia? I'll give you another hint. It' wasn't Bill Clinton.

Facts, JD, facts, as you are so fond of saying....

This Gitmo thing is another huge blunder by the Prez Chimpy McFlightsuit gang.

They are not even sure who they have arrested in Afganistan in the wide groups of arrests they made over there.

Yet they insist all are High Level Taliban,or Al-Queda.

No wonder the Dubya boys don't want to give them an open trail,it would be another embarrasment for the "stay the course" boys.

HERE'S AN UPDATE ON GEORGE W.BUSH'S WAR ON IRAQ

Sept.6,2006

12 US Troops killed over the hoiday weekend bringing the total number of US Troops killed in Iraq to 2660.

Total number of Iraqi civilians killed....staggering....?????

This is so similar to WWII and the treatment of the Japanese and previous to that the treatment of Native Americans. We took away their children and put them in reform schools where they could not speak their language or practice their religion.

As a country we need to learn from our history and stop the intermittent application of human rights. They need to be afforded to all. Not just when it is convenient. This is a higher standard that would promote similar values throughout the world.

We seem to, however, keep taking the moral low ground and sabotaging our own reputation. Leaving us no moral authority to address these kinds of issues.

IDIOT...
U.S. POLICY (not policies)IS TO BLAME FOR THE TERRORISTS.

THE ONE POLICY?....
OUR UNILATERAL, UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT OF ISRAEL OVER ALL ARAB CONCERNS WHETHER CIVILIAN OR MILITARY FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS.

I LOVE ISRAEL AND SUPPORT ITS RIGHT TO EXIST AND DEFEND, HOWEVER ITS OUR ONE SIDED RELATIONSHIP (10 BILLION IN ARMS AND PLANES A YEAR)THAT DROVE THE POOR DISIENFRANCHISED TO EXTREMISM...WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING IT'S EXTREMELY EASY TO GIVE IT ALL UP.

You never hear about the rights of the people they and their followers killed on 9/11. Why is that?

John D

A good observation but any Liberal will tell you the terrorists were just tunning up for the arrival of GWB. They all loved us until then.

Are you people thinking straight? Did Ken Lay's driver get held and prosecuted with him for five years. Terrorists are going to be an everyday part of our lives. There are too many people on this planet with no future, money, or means of supporting themselves. The grass is greener on our side of the fence and it's their perception that it is our fault. We are the richest most prosperous country in modern history. What we should be doing is less warring, and further concentration of cleaning up this country. Then set out on forming a global formula of assisting our less frotunate brothers and sisters. Brute force will only breed hate. What if you were in their shoes?

Letting them go is not a good option, but trying them in a closed court is a sham. If we are going to give them a trial, then let's give them a real trial where everyone has access to all the relevant information. A fair(ish) and open justice system goes along way to allowing us to say we are free people. As a nation we have always had high standards of justice and our fear should lead us not compromise that. I thought the main reason we were fighting the war on terror was so that we could remain a free and democratic society. Why would we so willingly sacrifice that ideal now? It is a slippery slope my friends. Stand behind those protecting us and uphold by those principles that make this country great. "Those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

ATTENTION POSTERS:

JD and John D. are the same person.

all of the problems we're experiencing today cannot be blamed on one particular president, much as we'd like to point fingers.
most of what's happening today is the result of illogical "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of policies instituted after WWII and followed blindly for generations.
and the fact that most, if not all, u.s. administrations since then have operated under the assumption that darnit-we-know-whats-best for the rest of the world.
one of these days the u.s. as a whole is going to realize that we don't always know what's best. i just shudder to think the number of lives that are going to be lost before that particular lesson sinks in.

After the President has "really told the truth" by making his latest admission on the secret prisions that do not exist, proposed sweeping non-movment on the "military trials for many of the "enemy combatants'' that will "pass constitutional muster" and failed to metioned the WMD's "that must be in Iraq" will be found soon have left me so confused I just cannot tell which if any truth is true.

John D,

Surely you are not so ignorant that you do not recall that the Afghan mujahadeen--elements of which we know know as the Taliban--was funded by the US following the Soviet takeover of Afghanistan. So I guess you could say that it's Reagan's fault, though he was hardly the first president to back a rebel movement or dictatorial regime (usually, but not always, with Congressional complicity). You may remember that US funded a variety of governments and guerrilla movements during the Cold War, as did the USSR.

There's also that wonderful photo of Donald Rumsfeld chumming it up with Saddam Hussein in the early 1980s--back when the US (again, under Reagan!) was providing Iraq with weapons for use in their war against Iran--many of the same weapons currently being used by insurgents against US soldiers (thanks to the inability of Bush and Rumsfeld to make sure that Iraqi weapons depots were secured after the fall of Saddam).

Actually, on second thought, you ARE that ignorant.

Hey guys, maybe if we understand them better they won't blow up our buildings and planes, anymore. Maybe we should feel their pain and empathize with them. We can all sing Kumbaya together!
Hee hee. This is fun.

If being "a liberal" (though I prefer the use of the word as an adjective rather than a noun to avoid sweeping boogey man type generalizations...) means not always assuming that you are right, superior (or clueless for that matter) and also being able to accept part of the responsibility in a conflict, then sign me up. Can it really hurt to attempt to look at the bigger picture of the real world we live in since blowing up peoples and countries doesn't seem to be solving the problem? Last I checked, you can't wash away blood with blood.
I find it interesting that you left Oklahoma City off your list of terrorist events. And yes, I agree that I want to know what/if Clinton and any one else did to create the terrorists responsible for those events, though my guess would be that it would be short-sighted (or "clueless" if you wish) to single out the former.

J John D,

You're a kill 'em all let God sort it out kinda poster, so what's your induction date?

When are you gonna show us Defeatocrat/Hezbocrats that you're a stand up kinda guy and not a hypocrite?

You know, like Dubya and Cheney.

JD,

How many can we count you down for? I'm sure they can help with yard work.

J John D,

Putting the accused on trial is the American way. We did it at Nuremburg and we can do it right here too. This is another way we differentiate ourselves from the bad guys and improve our standing in the world thereby gaining more of their trust and assistence in fighting terrorism.

(By the way, inasmuch as you, J John D, are one in the same, have you sought therapy or are both of you signing up for duty in Iraq?)

Huh?

John H our people have rights. We need to make sure we are trying the people who had anything to do with 9/11 some where just caught on the battle field. They need to be treated as enemy combatants but the ones who did have something to do with 9/11 should be tried as murders. Thats our laws we need to follow them or we will be no better then them

They are not terrorists or enemies. At most they are SUSPECTED terrorists or enemies. They were not swept up on the battlefield -- less than 10% of them were (check out the This American Life episode about this. Human Rights Watch is another source of information). The rest were sold for the $5000 bounty. The youngest detainee is 8 years old. 15-year-olds have been tortured. Some detainees are no longer suspects but the government doesn't know what to do with them so they are still being held. It's long past time to close the place down and return to our moral values.

JohnH:

I think we all, as a country, want to address the rights of the victims of the terrorist act of 9/11. The best way to do that, IMHO, would be to bring the chief planner of that attack, Osama bin Laden, to swift justice. Best to try him under Islam/Koran, they'd allow him to pray and then behead him. I believe the current occupant also had the same idea:

Speaking with reporters after a Pentagon briefing on plans to call up reserve troops, Bush offered some of his most blunt language to date when he was asked if he wanted bin Laden dead.

"I want justice," Bush said. "And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that said, 'Wanted, Dead or Alive.'" - September 17, 2001

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/bush.powell.terrorism/

Now it's fast approaching 5 years from that day, and you know as well as I how that hunt panned out. That person is still at large and threatening America with even more attacks. What does that tell you?

(1) You can attack America, kill 3000+ of it's citizens, and expect to cruise for at least 5 years. We'll talk tough but we'll let you slide.

(2) With the nation/state resource of the #1 superpower in the world, American CANNOT bring to justice the one person most responsible for the death of more than 3000 of it's citizens, 5 years after the fact.

It's amazing to me that this administration has the GALL to even bringing up the 9/11 attack anniversary. I want to address the 9/11 victims' rights. Do you?

and the fact that most, if not all, u.s. administrations since then have operated under the assumption that darnit-we-know-whats-best for the rest of the world.
one of these days the u.s. as a whole is going to realize that we don't always know what's best. i just shudder to think the number of lives that are going to be lost before that particular lesson sinks in.
Posted by: dave | Sep 6, 2006 2:02:18 PM

Dave,
Thankfully the nation is awakening from the narcotizing effects of neo-conservative foreign policy and the misinformation generated by its proponents. I think most Americans fully realize the invasion of Iraq was a blunder of epic proportion, did not protect us from terrorism but has contributed to its expansion, and will be an albatross the nation will have hanging around its neck for many years to come.
In your own words, "we dont always know whats best".
I wish politicians would admit that "we" includes them as well.

Sorry to disappoint you brainless leftists, but me and JD are two different people. He can speak for himself.
Regarding the other comments here, hmmm in Somalia in early 1990s, war was starving millions to death. Bush I put in troops so people could eat. I thought you leftists believe in people eating? Oh, I'm sorry, not true. You leftists prefer writing dumb songs about people starving rather actually help them. That is why NOTHING was done in Rwanda and again the leftists are preventing anything from being done in Darfur.
Regarding the Afghan Mujahadeen, the Taliban was only a small portion of the larger group. But I understand that the Leftists were always behing Soviet takeover of countries: Eastern Europe, Afghanistan, the Baltics, Ukraine, so on and so forth. Soviets invading countries to make them wards of the Soviet empire was fine in your eyes, invading countries to topple murderous thug dictators and freeing people is not OK. I understand that.
You leftists are do devoid of any understanding of any historical fact and decency it's a horrible shame and tragedy.

So I an John D. are the same. I guess this explains the popularity of conspiracy theories amongst you lefties.

Sorry to burst your bubble on this one.

Oh,,...and did you see the Joe Wilson conspiracy has been debunked?

I know, a few of you still want to believe it was all Rove.

Anyway, I love how Jack seems to justify why OBL hates us.

OK Jack, then I guess it is all Bush's fault.

Maybe we can reform them and have them perform gay marraiges at abortion clinics all while talking about how eeevil America is.

Then they can join in with the libs in a chorus of the #1 song in Iran. "death to America, death to Isreal!

Yes, JD, you are finding out just how whacked out the Left is. These people who think you and I are the same, also believe the U.S. attacked itself on 9/11, that Bush was behind the rise of Hitler, that the Republicans "stole" Ohio in 2004 by 120,000 votes ignoring the Dems probably stole Wisconsin in which Kerry "won" by less than 10,000 votes, that Elvis is still alive and that Clinton really was the first black president.
Come on, Dienne, attack me for pointing out truths here.

JOHN D and JD are the same person.

And now for our Democratic enjoyment,they also have conversations with each other....pathedic little Johnny D.,you have officially hit rock bottom.

It's easy to see why so many of us think that JD and John D are the same person. They can't think for themselves, so thay spew the same lies told to them by their hero 'Idiot in Chief'.

When they can't find a way to defend Dumbya's actions, they bring out the old, But but but Clinton...But but Clinton!...
They have both been proven to have no mind of thier own, hence their posts will always be nothing more than inept and totally irrelevant drivel.

Left wing loons, I can think for myself far better than you folks ever could. You folks bought into the Dailykos reporting Rove was indicted for "leaking" Plame's name. Of course that never happened and we know it was Richard Armitage. You folks buy into Michael Moore's lies. We know he's a compulsive liar and a millionaire hypocrite too. Man, there is so much BS you folks buy into on a regular basis I could write a 10,000-page book on them all. Just take some sleeping pills with Cindy Sheehan and go to sleep.

John D,

I will agree that you and JD are not the same person.

As for the rest of your post, I would also agree that the cow did not jump over the moon, but that's about as relevant as the other half-truths and strawmen you bring up.

Quite right John D.

The Bush administration is guilty of nothing more than running a good and fair presidency. There are no questions that need be asked about 9/11. The war in Iraq is both justified and well managed. There is a plan. The budget deficit is not an issue. Karl Rove's hands are clean. Donald Rumsfeld is not insane. Ditto John Ashcroft and Katherine Harries - maybe. The cow that didn't make it over the moon is now in a holding pattern over DFW airport, Dick Cheney isn't in it for the money and Fox is fair and balanced.

Anne Coulter remains beyond classification. Apart from the last, do you feel better now?

OCHD...please don't give johnd comfort...i rather
enjoy listening to him howl at the moon.

Bill, I just worry that he is too soft a target, and it occasionally offends my British sense of fair play.

But the moment soon passes.