Posted by Frank James at 1:47 pm CDT
Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio,) the House Majority Leader, angered Democrats’ with his statement yesterday questioning whether Democrats were for protecting Americans or protecting terrorists.
Today, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.,) the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, called from the Senate floor on his Senate Republicans to repudiate Boehner's remarks.
Of course, Senate Republicans are unlikely to do that because of the very nasty partisanship Kerry bemoans. Nevertheless, you can read what Kerry said below.
KERRY: “Enough has been written about the comments made yesterday by House Majority Leader John Boehner.
I’m not interested in asking Mr. Boehner for a clarification or a retraction or even an apology. His statement was very clear, and equally despicable. His words are beyond redemption.
“They are, however, sadly, what we’ve come to expect in politics today.
What I am asking, today, is for the Senate to be the Senate. We talk here about ‘my friend’ from across the aisle. We talk about the traditions of the Senate. We talk about civility. But in the last years, I’ve seen things happen here that never would’ve happened in the Senate that I joined in 1985.
We’ve come a long way since the days when Bob Dole and George Mitchell refused to campaign against each other. I’ve seen colleagues say in the cloakroom that they thought it was wrong to see the courage of their friend Max Cleland attacked, but on the floor of the Senate – silence.
I think there are good people here who still long for civility. I’ve heard it. I heard the junior Senator from Oregon say just this summer, ‘My soul cries out for something more dignified.’ My friend from Arizona just this spring said that ‘self-expression sometimes overwhelms our civility.’
This is one of those times – but it is much more. I’m asking for my 54 Republican colleagues across the aisle, to stand up not just for civility, but for truth, and to come here and condemn Mr. Boehner’s remarks in no uncertain terms if they disagree with them.
That is a test of the kind of place we’ve become and the kind of politics we’ll tolerate. It’s a test of the character of the United States Senate, and I think every American would benefit from hearing where each and every Republican stands on Mr. Boehner’s words just yesterday.”





Comments
Where was this immediate reaction during the swiftboating of him in ’04? It’s nice to see that Sen. Kerry will call the Republican Senators on this. I think it’s about time to put an end to this type politics.
Posted by: Rory M | September 13, 2006 2:08 PM
Sen. Kerry has ditched the Washington politicos who told him to ignore the swifties and they would go away. He's speaking his own mind and he's been hitting hard.
Check out his speech that he made last Saturday at Faneuil Hall on national security.
http://www.johnkerry.com
Posted by: Vi | September 13, 2006 2:40 PM
Again the whip lies to America no bills to protect America have been allowed since 1996 when the Republicans took control of Congress
Posted by: Dale Peters | September 13, 2006 2:53 PM
The rest of the country to John Kerry - Shut Up and go away
Posted by: Terry | September 13, 2006 3:05 PM
John Boehner is the little boy who keeps crying wolf.
Be scared people,be very scared,and don't forget to vote for the neo-cons who will keep you safe.
I think Americans have finally wised up to the Republican scare tactics.
Hats off to John Kerry on calling out that slimeball (R) John Boehner.
It seems he has finally learned his lesson from the swiftboating KKKarl Rove,and the neo-cons gave him in the 2004 election.
Posted by: John E. | September 13, 2006 3:44 PM
Terry,
You've been a bad, bad blogger for suggesting you speak for "The rest of the country..."
Your punishment is to read the great thoughts, words and wisdom of George W. Bush.
There, there - shouldn't take long.
Posted by: Doug Zook | September 13, 2006 3:51 PM
Terry,
Typical Republo-fascist authoritarian. "Dissenters go away!" Not in our America!
Posted by: Janet | September 13, 2006 4:06 PM
"This is one of those times – but it is much more. I’m asking for my 54 Republican colleagues across the aisle, to stand up not just for civility, but for truth, and to come here and condemn Mr. Boehner’s remarks in no uncertain terms if they disagree with them." - John Kerry
Not even one patriot amongst them. 54 Cowards JK. Don't waste your time. It's hard to hear with your head stuck in the sand.
Posted by: mg | September 13, 2006 4:07 PM
Kerry is such a hypocrit.
Remember that speech of his a couple weeks ago...
The one that started off "don't throw stones"... then he proceeded to spend the rest of the speech throwing stones.
This is the problem with Democrats. It's only "ok" to do something if they're the ones doing it.
Maybe Kerry outta ask for his fellow democrats to stop their 6 year continuous Ad Hominem attacks on Bush first. What a hypocrit. I'm so glad I don't have to call him "President John Kerry".
Posted by: Darryn | September 13, 2006 4:16 PM
I hope the gop would aprreciate Sen: Kerry for trying to unify the country and not preaching hate politic
Posted by: Mike | September 13, 2006 4:34 PM
Check this out,this is one ass kickin Irish Dem.
Posted by: Raving Loon | September 13, 2006 4:42 PM
Look, all one has to do is read the real (truthful) biography (history) of John Kerry.
Here is a man that doesn’t really care what the truth is or that some remarks might ‘offend’ someone. How can anyone that truly cares about the future of our country pay any attention to whatever he says?
How can this ’documented flip-flopper’ even think of asking the Senate to repudiate Boehner's remarks? Boy, this clown has big ones! Anyway, Boehner speaks the truth --- I guess that hurts huh?
Posted by: Dick | September 13, 2006 4:57 PM
trying to unify the country? There is no chance with how polarized our country. Repubs aren't going to agree with Dems and vice versa. Good thing he didn't preach hate politc....whatever that is.
Posted by: Old Gil | September 13, 2006 5:01 PM
Mike,
I refrain from insulting or personally insulting most conservative bloggers in this blog. Bill(noR), Terry, Juanito, RRD, even John D. (Bruce is another matter!)
But throwing the word hypocrite at Kerry deserves a little analysis. I reserve the right to insult, deride and unfairly attack PUBLIC figures as a matter of basic American freedom.
Here goes:
He supported the war in Nam, believes his gay daughter should have civil rights, yet was a draft dodger and doesn’t believe in gay marriage. A cowardly flip flopping Democrat? No, it was Dick (The Flick) Cheney, war lover.
He supported the war in Vietnam and he attacked his political opponents as weak hypocrites that change with the wind and have no moral fiber, yet he is an obsessive gambler that claims his vice is hurting no one but himself. That’s the same argument pot smokers and prostitutes use. Nope! Meet Bill (Hard Eight) Bennett, Reagan era hypocrite who was a founder of ‘family values’ politics and neatly avoided the draft while calling Clinton a draft dodger.
They said we are a corrupt, sinful society and that New York got what it deserved on September 11, 2001. You may think its some spineless liberal, terrorist loving apologist that hates America? Meet Pat (The Thumb Screw) Robertson and Jerry (The Inquisitor) Fallwell, real ‘family value’ guys.
He’s had 3 wives and a drug addiction and supported the war in Nam. A sex addicted liberal baby killing hedonist? Nope; it’s Rush (The Hush) Limbaugh who neatly dodged the draft while calling Clinton a draft dodger, and claims exclusive control of ‘family values’.
He’s had 3 wives and smoked pot in the sixties. A latte sipping, green Subaru driving, veggie eating commie coward? Nope, it’s Newt ( The Hoot) Gingrich who ran for Congress as a ‘family values’ conservative, supported the war in Vietnam while avoiding the draft and calling Clinton a draft dodger.
He tried to throw a president out of office for lying about sex, yet he defended his own adultery as nothing more than a “youthful indiscretion” at age forty! Another liberal apologist for sex, drugs, and rock and roll? Nope. It’s conservative Illinois congressman Henry (The Big Ride) Hyde who ran for congress several times as a ‘family values’ conservative, supported the war in Vietnam while calling Clinton a draft dodger while, you guessed it, he dodged the draft.
He attacked Mr. Clinton as an immoral adulterous lefty, yet had extramarital affairs himself. A weak sister baby killing liberal? No, it was Dan (The Psycho Man) Burton, right wing reactionary from Indiana that loves ‘family values’ and war yet never served. (You guessed it; He is a Clintonesque draft dodger.)
He frequented low dens of inequity with 'loose ladies' and drank ‘booze’ and ‘did drugs’. An immoral, libertine self destructive Democrat? No, it was Jimmy (The Hemi Hog) Swaggart, Bible thumping conservative moralist.
He had sex and drugs with everyone, even you! A Clinton loving, Satan worshiping, American hating, baby killing, Brie sniffing moderate? No way! It was TV evangelist minister Jim (The Faker) Baker, big ’C’ Christian conservative.
I could go on but my fingers are tired! None of them deserve the respect they demand, nor have they ever shown it to their political opponents.
Posted by: C.Morris | September 13, 2006 5:47 PM
Please note:
My prior posting was intended for Darryn, NOT Mike.
Sorry Mike.
Posted by: C.Morris | September 13, 2006 5:50 PM
"Maybe Kerry outta ask for his fellow democrats to stop their 6 year continuous Ad Hominem attacks on Bush first. What a hypocrit. I'm so glad I don't have to call him "President John Kerry".
Posted by: Darryn | Sep 13, 2006 4:16:40 PM"
Now you know how 60% of Americans feel.
Posted by: C.Morris | September 13, 2006 5:52 PM
darryn...Maybe you wern't here for the Clinton years...ya wanna talk about loud mouth mudslingers! He's left office how many years ago and they still talk crap! The statement"thats the trouble with the democrats. It's only "ok"
to do something if they're the ones doing it."
PLEASE...the republicans are just as guilty if not more! You must only listen to Fox news!!!!
Remember that speech by Mr. Bush...ya know the one that wasn't supposed to be political..because it was a day of grieving...and then he spent the rest of the time selling his war????
Posted by: bill r. | September 13, 2006 5:56 PM
"Hats off to John Kerry on calling out that slimeball (R) John Boehner."
John E,
You have a way with words. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted by: C.Morris | September 13, 2006 6:29 PM
Dick....I wish I had a pillar of strength like george W. to look up to. Model citizen since day one. Huh?
Posted by: bill r. | September 13, 2006 7:12 PM
Boehner for President!!!
I guess he stuck a little too close to home for Kerry and many of the other Congressional Dems.
If we want to keep our freedon, we must fight the terrorists, not cut and run.
Posted by: Sara Brooks | September 13, 2006 7:18 PM
Sara Brooks...Are you posting a comment...or..
Selling bumperstickers?
Posted by: bill r. | September 13, 2006 7:37 PM
Sara: You have been trained nicely. Parroting back the words your pols say again and again so that they will stick in your head is exactly what they are hoping for.
It is truly a gift that so few have.
Have you thought about the words? Or is it enough that they roll off of W's eloquent tongue?
Posted by: The Moderate | September 13, 2006 8:12 PM
Posting a comment.
Thanks for your interest bill, I appreciate your concurrence.
Posted by: Sara Brooks | September 13, 2006 8:37 PM
Really....don't get all upset over this! It's all political posturing by both parties....We're getting close to the Nov.elections...so here goes.... Fire Rummy,Impeach the president,Dems are whimps on Nat'l defense,It's a quagmire,Another Vietnam,Where is binLaden,Tora Bora this or Tora Bora that.Rove and Cheney should be frog-marched, in cuffs, out of the white house for leaking an agents name...ooops,never mind that one.
Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | September 13, 2006 8:57 PM
So, liberals.....exactly what do you suggest we do in the world today? Remember how wrong you were during the entire cold war. Remember how wrong you were creating the Great Society. I guess it did crate the nanny state you so desire, but it was sold as a solution....remember?
As bad as Bush is, and I am as embarrased as everyone else here, the only thing worse than the republicans are the Democrats. Is equal outcome for all what you desire? Are you all embarrased at Ameraica for being the worlds only superpower as Mad Albright was/is.
Liberalism is the true failure of our times, not the 8 years of Bush. Wake up
Posted by: Robert | September 13, 2006 9:48 PM
Ax ususal the conservative comments here are personal, moronic, and stereotypically inaccurate. This has nothing to do with Democrats not wanting to fight terrorism. They disagree with the way the White House is going about it. What does the war in Iraq have to do with fighting terrorism- I don't see the connection. Cut and run- every time some White House neo-con utters a new cliche- a million conservatives copy them with nothing original to say. How many more young Americans have to die so that Bush can prove his point? How many of the brave souls writing here are willing to volunteer to go to Iraq and actually fight the battle? Conservatives accuse Democrats of having no new ideas, but pooh-pooh anything they come up with. Talk about hypocrites!
Posted by: Larry Siegel | September 13, 2006 11:19 PM
Wow C. morris, You really showed us!
It must be fun to live in a world where you ask and answer your own questions, and then pass them off as a political point of view.
Oh yeah,....sorry Fox News told me to say that.
(Fox News didn't, but I was just helping you out by making the statment for you, so you can quit having a conversation with yourself.)
Posted by: JD | September 13, 2006 11:28 PM
The problem as I see it is that Boehner and the rest of the neo-cons can't tell the difference between terrorists and American Citizens. In their eyes, anyone who's not cheerleading for them is a potential threat and are not entitled to civil liberties.
Kudos to Kerry for showing some guts.
Posted by: John M | September 13, 2006 11:39 PM
Sara Brooks:
Is there just one republican that can speak their own mind in their own words?
Or are you all required to talk using verbatim talking points?
Self thought is really not that tough. Try it sometimes.
Posted by: Roy | September 14, 2006 3:01 AM
John Kerry went in front of the Fulbright Committee in 1971 (out of uniform) and gave testimony in which he accused his fellow Vietnam servicemen of being war criminals. To this day he has not produced one ounce of proof in the form of names and specifics. When he apologizes for that and when he apologizes face to face to American servicemen who were in North Vietnamese prisons at that time and whose lives were made immeasurably worse by his testimony then we can talk.
Posted by: Uncle Max | September 14, 2006 6:09 AM
Sara,
Are you referring to the freedoms Bush and Co. are taking from us?
Posted by: Janet | September 14, 2006 8:03 AM
Red meat! Red meat! More red meat for the rabid Republo-fascists that despise democracy and vigorous debate! Red meat here!
Posted by: jethro | September 14, 2006 8:11 AM
Our Miss Brooks, take a look @ the front page of the Trib.Do you see the woman ex-Marine with her *^*$ing arm blown off?
Don't be part of the fighting Keyboard 95th,get your *ss down to the recruiting center and join the fight.
You wing nuts want this quagmire to go on and on,look @ the Marine on the front page and get a little dose of *^%*ing reality.
Now,stay the course?
Posted by: Raving Loon | September 14, 2006 8:30 AM
Liberalism is the failure to the American society, which can be modified and rectified over time.
The Neo-Conservatism that's got us in to the WORLD of mess we're in today, that's the real danger to the country.
I'd like to address the Bush Presidency for the 38%ers out there. It has been a failure.
The current occupant is not stupid. However he does suffer from Lack of Moral Fibre.
He was elected to be a do-nothing President. He ran on the ground that America was meddling too much in other countries' business, and that there's been too much partisanism in the leadership of this country and as a uniter, he's going to fix THAT.
Unfortunately, he was put into a position to lead this country in a time of war. Not the war that he and his staff created against a minor desot, but the one force upon us on 9/11.
Instead of persecuting that war to Victory, or even define what victory is, he's allowed himself, and the country, to be sidetracked by a group of people with bigger fish to fry. They'd been after Saddam for a long time, and talked the current occupant into thinking it's his own idea - with a little nudging - and before you know it we're in a bottomless pit with 2600+ dead and counting.
Lack of Moral Fibre. The ability to do the RIGHT THING. The RIGHT THING right now is either to get out or Iraq or go in with overwhelming force and put back in place the lockdown on the populace that Saddam had. But you can't stay the course because repeating a mistake is stupid. It's tragic.
Bull Simons, one of the best combat leader this country produced, once said: "Good troops deserves a smart commander. Someone who can smart his way out of things." This adminitration is not doing that. It's not even thinking anymore.
This adminisration has gone into Auto-Pilot, counting the days, staying alive through propaganda and fear-mongering until it can have, for a of better words, "Peace with Honor". It's just tragic that they're paying for it with other people's kid's lives and limbs.
I think I've been around enough that I know evil when I see it. And the actions of this administration, in sqandering of lives to continue on a untenable course, is EVIL. You know what, 38%ers? I'm not afraid of the unknown evil. It can not get worse than this. A Democratic congress will not open it's borders to terrorists. It will not disband our Army, no matter what Ken Mehlman might say. But, I pray, I hope, it will give us ACCOUNTING.
Posted by: Jack | September 14, 2006 9:37 AM
It's funny watching John Kerry try to cling to the shred of credibility he has left in the political world. The fact of the matter is Boehner is a rising star as majority whip and Kerry is a sad, pathetic, defeated retread. He has been trying since 2004 to deflect blame for the failure of his presidential campaign and Boehnher is just the latest republican target for his vitriol. But where were these brassy attacks back in 2004 on the campaign trail? You remember, don't you, when Kerry was so in love with his own voice that he'd scarcely talk about anything other than himself?
Kerry hopes by lashing out at Boehner that he can convince enough democrats to support another debacle of a presidential campaign with his name on the ticket. Hilarious! You know what's even more funny? Enough of them just might fall for it.
Sara Brooks, great idea. Don't let the lefties get you down.
Posted by: Bill | September 14, 2006 9:42 AM
I am so glad Kerry has not gone away. He has figured out these thugs and bullies. Boehner was way out of line.A difference of opinion on the war and a call for a new direction does not lead to supporting terrorists and hating the USA. I am tired of these childish games the Republicans have been playing.It is time to get serious. When are those who sloganize and rubber stamp President Bush's every wish going to grow up and realize that running the country is serious business and elected officials have an obligation to try to build good will between the parties and exercise some bi-partisianship?Senator Boehner needs to grow up and his fellow Republican Senators need to help him do so by telling him he was wrong to say what he did and explaining to him why statements like his does not move our country forward.
running the government is serious business.
Posted by: Mark V-PA | September 14, 2006 9:54 AM
Robert,
Name 10 things conservatives have contributed to America... Here's what liberals have done: Social Security, Medicare, the Civil Rights Act, women's suffrage, federal deposit insurance, unemployment compensation, rural electrification, child labor laws, minimum wages and the 40-hour work week
Posted by: Janet | September 14, 2006 9:55 AM
"Wow C. morris, You really showed us!
It must be fun to live in a world where you ask and answer your own questions, and then pass them off as a political point of view.
Oh yeah,....sorry Fox News told me to say that.
(Fox News didn't, but I was just helping you out by making the statment for you, so you can quit having a conversation with yourself.)
Posted by: JD | Sep 13, 2006 11:28:19 PM"
JD,
Are you referring to my series of hilarious jibes in response to Darryn's charge that Kerry is a hypocrite?
I was simply pointing out the general hypocrisies of conservative politicians.
Posted by: C.Morris | September 14, 2006 10:46 AM
Kerry will always speak his mind. He did in 1971 and he did yesterday. The spin machines turn his statements into twisted fragments of what he meant. But, he knows that will happen.
What is so Funny about PEACE, LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING?
NO AMERICAN WANTS TERRORISM!!!!
NO MUSLIM WANTS IT EITHER.
THINK OF ALL THE MUSLIMS THAT HAVE DIED IN OUR WAR ON TERROR. 10s of THOUSANDS of IRAQIS have died. THINK OF THEIR FAMILIES!!
Posted by: Clay J. | September 14, 2006 10:53 AM
Posted by JD:
"It must be fun to live in a world where you ask and answer your own questions, and then pass them off as a political point of view."
Donald Rumsfeld sure seems to think so.
Posted by: John | September 14, 2006 11:15 AM
C. Morris:
An outstanding post. A Post Script on Gingrich, though. Who served divorce papers on a wife in the hospital while she was recovering from cancer surgery? Who prefered oral sex with girls on the staff because he could then legitimately say he didn't sleep with them?
Posted by: Catherine | September 14, 2006 11:24 AM
Uncle Max, do you remember Lt. William Calley?
Posted by: Catherine | September 14, 2006 11:27 AM
If Boehner is a rising star...and really believes the democrats are protecting terrorists
..than I hope he is a shooting star and burns out quickly!
Posted by: bill r. | September 14, 2006 11:35 AM
Catherine,
As for your additional info on Newt?
I will add that bit to my permanent copy of the rant.
(Just keeping the ask/answer own questions concept going.)
U.Max,
Read
My Lai 4, Hersh
Bright and Shinning Lie, Sheehan
Vietnam isn't called the greatest political and military debacle of the 20th century for nothing.
Posted by: C.Morris | September 14, 2006 12:09 PM
C. Morris,
I don't recall Newt calling for a public condemning of divorces.
I'll grant you that your kind of funny, but I don't think that was the point Daryn was making about hypocrisy.
Posted by: JD | September 14, 2006 1:30 PM
JD,
He was however, selling 'family values' politically. One of the big family values is holding to the wedding vows supposedly made before God. It seems to me he only uses 'family values' when he can cram it down some political opponents throat.
Now don't ask me what 'family values' are. I didn't make up the term. In fact, there does not seem to be a clear definition, other than some vague political vote getting advantage around election time.
Posted by: C.Morris | September 14, 2006 1:39 PM
It is true that most members of the Left and Democratic party are more concerned about the rights of terrorists than they are keeping Americans alive. Gitmo? The Left is against it. Holding killers in prison? Left is against it. Wiretapping terrorist killers? You got it, the Left is against it. Monitoring the financial transactions of terrorists? Yep, Left against that too. Killing terrorists before they kill us? Yes, Left is against that as well.
American people are hearing that and seeing that, which is why polling increasingly shows the Republicans to be in better shape this November.
Posted by: John D | September 14, 2006 2:09 PM
Janet,
I'll take that challenge and, unlike you I'll name a specific champion that got these things done:
1.) Started the conservation movement by creating the National Parks System (Theodore Roosevelt).
2.) Created the EPA (Richard Milhaus Nixon).
3.) Won the Cold War through economic policy and military buildup (Ronald Wilson Reagan) signified by the fall of the Berlin Wall.
4.) Broke the trusts of standard oil and the railroad monopoly that created today's anti-trust laws (Teddy Roosevelt)
5.) Founded the Small Business Administration (Herbert Hoover).
6.) Pushed European interests out of our hemisphere through the Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine (Teddy Roosevelt).
7.) Created Eisenhower interstate system which still operates as our main form of transportation today (Dwight D. Eisenhower)
8.) Signed into law Americans with Disabilities Act, ensuring freedom of facilities for millions of disabled Americans (George H.W. Bush)
9.) Defeated the South in the Civil War (Abraham Lincoln) thereby opening the West to larger population.
10.) Signed the emancipation proclamation and ratified the 13th and 14th amendments to end slavery (Abraham Lincoln).
I'd also argue that most of the things you give the credit to liberals for are not really theirs to claim. For instance, nearly as large a percentage (84% to 90%) of Northern Republicans voted for the Voting Rights Act as Northern Democrats. The real opposition was southern democrats, led by William Fulbright, Strom Thurmond (then a democrat) and Robert Byrd. And child labor laws, rural electrification and federal deposit insurance all had just as many republican champions as liberals. Liberals might have championed the 40-hour week and child labor laws but just as many conservatives were for them and nearly as many liberals (like Tammany Hall) were against them.
If you want to make a real argument claiming all the advances of society for your side make an attributable list like mine.
Did you miss me liberals?
Posted by: Bill | September 14, 2006 2:12 PM
Bill,
All that you've mentioned was done by Republicans or their forefathers. The ones I would have proudly voted for.
I would also honestly say they are NOT the same people who would call themselves Repubclicans today. I don't pledge blind allegiance to whomever is at the helm. I pledge allegiance to what's right.
Posted by: Jack | September 14, 2006 2:33 PM
Bill,
Nice list but Presidents don't make laws, they execute them. W/ a few exceptions I don't think many of those you listed would have passed w/o the help of a filthy liberal majority running Congress.
Posted by: Janet | September 14, 2006 4:24 PM
Most scholars agree the Cold War was won by the continuation of the Truman Doctrine.
Posted by: jethro | September 14, 2006 4:27 PM
Janet, are you familiar with the term legislator-in-chief? Presidents always write laws. Clinton (and Hillary) wrote a law to create a national healthcare bureaucracy. While it's true that they need legislators to help said laws pass, as the undisputed leader of one of two political parties they can usually get that done. Tell you what, I'll give the liberal congress half the credit if you give republicans half the credit for the Voting Rights Act. Deal?
Plus, Roosevelt used executive authority more than any president in history. He didn't ask anyone to break up the trusts and only needed the (majority republican) supreme court to back him on it.
Jack, the people in this administration might not be the exact same as the people in my list but I wouldn't make that generalization about all republicans these days. How do you feel about McCain? I love him.
I'll agree with you on the Truman Doctrine, Jethro, but it was Reagan's execution of it in the '80s that finished the job. By execution I mean refusing to take SDI off the table in talks with Gorbachev, ramping up weapons production to force the Soviets to bankrupt their own economy in an arms race, and PUBLICLY demanding that Gorbachev tear down the Berlin Wall.
Admit it, that was a total JFK move. The Big RR and JFK were the last presidents we had that had any real guts.
Posted by: Bill | September 14, 2006 5:07 PM
Bill,
Janet's challenge was regarding liberals vs conservatives, not Republics vs Democrats.
It can be argued that Lincoln was the first liberal, for his day.
In fact, as we all know, the Republican party were the progressives of that era, and Lincoln was even regarded by many as a dangerous radical.
Republican reform continued on until TR's day, when the party openly declared itself the party of vested interests.
Now, here's the important part; that's why Teddy left the Republican party, to continue to pursue his liberal reform agenda.
But really, trying to impose todays definitions of liberal or conservative to that long gone era is pretty pointless.
Posted by: C.Morris | September 15, 2006 8:54 AM
t is true that most members of the Left and Democratic party are more concerned about the rights of terrorists than they are keeping Americans alive. Gitmo? The Left is against it. Holding killers in prison? Left is against it. Wiretapping terrorist killers? You got it, the Left is against it. Monitoring the financial transactions of terrorists? Yep, Left against that too. Killing terrorists before they kill us? Yes, Left is against that as well.
American people are hearing that and seeing that, which is why polling increasingly shows the Republicans to be in better shape this November.
Posted by: John D | Sep 14, 2006 2:09:17 PM
Response to John "D" Doushbag-
John you talk just like a Republican, all lies and not facts. Here's the translation of what captain doushbag said
Supporting Terrorists- Democrats, uh what was that word, oh ..(fox news comes on) oh yea, support terrorists.
Fact- Democrats led by our Great Bill Clinton were the first to propose anti terror measures. Many of those ideas where voted down by the wimpublicans in the house and senate. Now those ideas are used by Bush. Hmmm...
Wiretapping terrorists- Dem's don't support wiretapping (see homeland security act votes)suspected terrorists.
Fact- obviously they do. They also believe in the fourth amendment, which Republithugs do not. This countries laws are in the constitution, remember that numbnuts. You want to subvert that
Monitoring finances (called Kawala)
Fact- Clinton proposed that great idea in 1997. Then treasurer Ruben was against it. Ruben out, new treasurer in. Clinton first to propose (that's got to hurt your ego!)
Last-Killing terrorists before they kill us
Fact- Killing Iraqis and a few of the Taliban. I don't know of anyone who is against the war in Afghanistan? Do you? or do you make up things like your buddies on the far right? Iraq, name one Iraqi who attacked us on our soil.
Last I want to make a powerful point.
Remember when Clinton cracked down on McVeigh and the '93 Trade Center bombers (all captured,lol)?
What did the NRA do? they said "Dem's are going to take your guns. Remember? well now, and this is a fact, more guns have been ceased as a result of the anti terror measures. Funny, but where is the NRA? oh ya, they really don't care about guns, only republicans.
Posted by: Liberty Liberal | September 15, 2006 4:38 PM
It is clear to all that read the posts on this and other blogs and such...America may be doomed. We won't be conquered by some other nation, we will be conquered by our arrogance, and certainly, our outright stupidity when it comes to politics. Instead of doing our civic duty and voting in droves to hold these creeps accountable, we give our party more and more money to try to stay on top. Political offices are for sale...and you sold them.
You all just don't get it, why? Your rights are being stolen from you by the super rich oil giants! Not the GOP, not the Dems, not anyone but the rich. If the GOP was not so far up the asses of the oil companies, selling you out, we wouldn't be in this predicament.
You all accept what your party does (right or left) and never call them to account! Look at all of the corruption trials, accusations and so on that America is facing today. Why is it that we are not marching on Washington in droves to DEMAND a better government and less? Because we all are selfish and have OUR heads up OUR asses. And anyone asking the fundamental "terror fight" question "Where is Bin Laden?" is ignored and disregarded. Bush and his cronies would never choose to kill him or anyone else responsible for the great profits made by weapons manufacturers. Yes, I know, I'm the stupid one here. We have lost our collective common sense and the world is watching us lose it.
You are all ignorant for thinking anything you read or hear from ANY politician is the truth, as none are capable of telling it...and few are real Americans. Rich kids didn't go to Nam. Poor kids like my brother died there. They are all self serving greedy flys buzzing around a corpse...and the corpse is the American dream.
So go on and get happy because gasoline went down a few dimes...the GOP didn't do it. The only reason it did go down was motivated purely by the drop in consumption! Us poor people can't afford it up senselessly anymore. And holy moley, what would America say if we they found out that there was never a shortage of this "waste by product" of petroleum industry.
Mark
Posted by: Mark | September 15, 2006 5:28 PM