Rice: Single women understand war

At last Rice begins to understand 'Rove-ian' political attacks.

Too bad it took so long.

Unfair? Yes.

Fair? Yes.

She who lives by the rhetorical flourish, dies by the rhetorical flourish.

Holy book all say end world come when women rule over the men.

Both be devil servants. Men of world unite to stop this devil action.

mullah cimoc,
Go get bend yourself somewhere,we don't worry about women with power in America,we embrace them.

If you're able to be a strong leader in America we don't care what sex or color you are.
That's what makes or country so great.

C.Morris-
***You posted on Jan.-11 @6:45p.m.***
"Just heard we over ran and arrested the occupants of the Iranian Consulate in Irbil,in the northern Kurdish region-
Another brilliant move by G.W.B.--thanks for the hurtin,buddy"
Now,the world finds out a few days later "they" (the occupants)were a pipeline for the terrorists to get weapons into Iraq to kill our troops and our allys,fighting for your key-board freedom.
Any thoughts on this now... C.Morris???
Or will your reply be poetry,the words of a rock band or maybe a quote from Neville Chamberlain.
Thanks for your support with our "mythical" war on terror.
Oh,And JohnE. R-U- posting from Iraq now???
Paulo

JohnE.
You are so gullible,mullah cimoc,is a muslim saying that degrades women.
R-U-in Iraq now,JohnE??? When they shout,"mullah cimoc" at you...atleast now you'll know.
Good luck and "air-fi-tzak"....
Paulo

"If you're able to be a strong leader in America we don't care what sex or color you are.
That's what makes or country so great".

....... Surely it depends on where that strong leader leads. No matter what sex or color.

Paulo,
If they were a terrorist pipeline, fine.

The 'hurting' was in regard to our Kurdish allies.

We still don't know where this is going yet.

Rice has no idea the pain a military family has when a familiy member is killed or wounded. Rice has no idea what pain military families have when a love one is called up. Not because of her sex because she does not care like every Republican.

Some of you need to learn to spot satirical trolls, i.e mullah "cimoc" (aka Mullah The Comic).

And some of you (I won't mention names) are just plain incomprehensible.

In response to Condoleeza Rice's statement that "nothing of value is ever won without sacrifice," I would respond that many things are NOT won even WITH sacrifice. Sacrifice alone does not insure victory; some intelligence and savvy is also required.

The invasion of Iraq by the Bush-Cheney administration opened up a Pandora's box of sectarian conflict that any reasonable person could have anticipated, in which a minority (the Sunnis in Iraq) were displaced from power over an oppressed majority (the Shia). We have seen this happen in our recent history in South Africa, in Bosnia, and in other parts of the world. The difference is that in those conflicts, the international community united to help end the violence. In the case of Iraq, the international community is not rushing to step in and end the violence; we cannot hope resolve this conflict ourselves.

It was an ironic mix of naivete and arrogance for the Bush-Cheney administration to think that either it could single-handedly establish a new culture in Iraq, or that the international community would cooperate whole-heartedly in this effort. Apparently we (or at least our current leaders) didn't learn anything from Vietnam. We need to extricate ourselves from this situation rather than throw good money after bad, and lose many more lives in the process.

why yell at the mullah? he be intitled to his onion on the madder I would thinkel. Boy you bashers bash.

you do not have to be a mother to feel a terrible loss.My brother died in WW2 and i still feel the pain of it..

What does being a single childless woman have to do with it? Bush is a married man with two daughters and clearly he doesn't understand either. It has to do with the privilege of knowing that your family will never have to make that sacrifice.

Rice is just another of Bush's warmonging boot-lickers -- all politics and compassionless as to the losses of our citizens and those of Iraq -- just another politician.

Hey does anyone think it is ok for a woman to be head of the armed forces if she will never have to be drafted? I mean how come women are not forced to register? How can that be fair? I do not care if you are a democrat or republican. I think that it is about time to start making women register for the draft. Then let's see how strong they feel about going to war.

If you think your opening paragraph is impressive, you've got another think coming. "Another think coming" as a phrase can be traced back to the thirties. Prior to that, we had "another guess coming," a phrase common enough to be the title of a 1921 short story.

When you tell someone that something they think is wrong, you say, "You have another think coming." The whole point of the joke is the lack of grammar: "If that’s what you think, you’ve got another think coming."

"You got another thing coming" doesn't reference a thing and is meaningless, however many times it might have been heard in a rock song.

Ms. Rice was on the board of directors of Chevron. Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush have ties to the oil industry. OThers in the administration are tied to the defense industry.

None of these people cared in the least that hundreds of thousands of innocent people would die as a direct consequence of their lies, greed, cruelty.

Any injury Ms. Rice felt related not to a twinge of conscience, but to compromise of the carefully constructed image...Constructing false public images is what these people do best. They have no consciences or tender feeling for anyone or anything but money.

barbara had it right. condi doesn't feel what it is like to have an immediate family member in iraq. barbara isn't going to feel what it is like either. that was the essence. not enough top government decision makers are going to 'feel' what it is like to put their children into the immediate iraq situation. it's telling when bush says basically he wants to send other people's children to deal with the iraq threat than have that threat come here and affect his children. james webb has a son in iraq. he is someone with credibility when it comes to feeling what it like to have someone close in iraq.

It is easy to send people to their deaths when you are part of this senseless - humanless administration specially if you are as selfish and egocentric as Mss Rice.

Greed is the most sinister quality of those who lack the ability to value humanity.

Being a Mother in power with children at stake would be a terrible mistake for our nation, because a mother will sacrafice an entire planet for the safety of her own.
That is where Ms Rice should make her stand. She should ask the Boxer how many peoples lives she would sacrafice for her children and leave her on the spot.
Just because someone doesnt have children doesnt mean they are incapable of love. The insinuation that a single person doesnt understand is moronic.

Oh give it up with this stupid non-issue.

Sen. Boxer said she personally would not have a family member at risk and that Rice would not have a family member at risk.

Both statements are utterly and competely true.

Boxer said that her chidren were too od and her grandchildren too young to be at risk. She said Rice didn't have anyone close who would be at risk.

Both statements are utterly and completely true.

So, was Boxer's comment an 'insult' to everyone whose younger famiy members were too old or too young to be at risk?

Or was it a correct statement of reality.

"Imagining" is not being in the exact situation. All somone who is not in a situation can do is to speculate on how they woud feel in the same situation - and it is all theoretical, not real.

One can not "know" how it feels, one can ony guess.

Andrea Mitchell, of NBC News, managed in a single shouted remark to reveal her insensitivity to almost every bit of moral decency normally respected in this country, outside the press in general and NBC in particular as of late.

In her desperate attempt to shame Secretary Rice, Mitchell showed her disrespect of the Secretary, her office and the authority by which she exercises power. She showed disrespect of both the US and Israel by her unmannerly conduct while the guest in a foreign country.

She showed disrespect to all the single women of the world that are forced to carry in the face of hostilities, sometimes in the midst of war, sometimes in the daily grind of just surviving. Sometimes the least of which is suffering through the association of news people who feel they have a corner on correctness-but only as they define it.

Because of her aggressive efforts she should really merit a promotion to keeper of the stables. The muck is already there and she could just shovel it around.

The mullah is only expressing his beliefs. Surely we can allow that even without being in agreement?

Oh,and JohnE R U posting from Iraq now?
Paulo
Posted by Paulo Jan 13,2007 11:49:35 PM

You should be happy that I plan on fighting the "enemy" Paulo.
Why don't you pull up your pink panties and join us?
Eric Zorn is god!

LMAO. US does not care what arabs think, because the only tell others what to do. Never, listen. Do you think 200000 extra troops will ever be able to translate mullah cimoc? Never, listen. Can even one US troop understand the difference between an Iraqi woman screaming "Come help me" and "I've going to blow you up"? Never, listen. This is why everything Rice and Bush say are lies. Never, listen.

Get a grip Dale Peters. This Republican military family is proud of its members service in WWII, Vietnam, Kosovo and Afghanistan. That includes the loved one lost at Anzio, the loved one wounded in Vietnam and the loved one wounded in Afghanistan.

Thinking people know there are "good" and "bad" in every category of people you want to name, ie, Republicans, Democrats, black and white, men and women........when anyone writes "all" (fill in the blank) do/feel/think anything......that person is not thinking for themselves.. they are only spewing back rhetoric they have heard from others.

Please think for yourself. Then I will be willing to listen to your ideas.

Marriage is not a criterion for understanding suffering or the loss of loved ones. Love is - just like love is what is the basis of sacrifice. It takes a long time to learn the true meaning of love - I found myself shocked when given the meaning of love as -"love is gift of self for another." Before hearing that, I thought love was the ability to find I was cared for - it is easy to center on oneself, and forget that love is other based. Sometimes there are those whose love reaches even beyond the boundries of family - love which finds humanity as family... every crying child, every broken heart then belongs to you - along with the joys of giving and finding them smile.

If Secretary Rice was a Democrat, she would never be subjected to such insulting questions or comments from the biased media or from a pitbull California Senator.

Julianna I see you didn't read My family has brain injury lost parts of his body and My Wife hearing the news died on the spot. Republicans supported Wars that mattered. Not war that we where taken there on lies. We called for more troops for the lasyt three years. Grip I have a grip on lies you people say everyday. I served in Vietnam where did you serve? My Family fought World War Two, Korea , Panama, Iraq 1 and Iraq Now. If you support this war join up now. Read about how troops with no combat leaders and not trained for Iraq are being sent in. Read about equipment breaking down or broke down. Read about the Iraqi just getting a American check them leaving the Army Camps. Read what the Ground troops are saying not num nuts from the Green Zone. Read about how troops coming home are not being taken care of. Learn then you will have a grip. You Republicans who claim you are are not real Republicans you are a danger to this country.

I am not a fan of Bush's foreign policy.

However, I am sorry to see a woman who has suffered from every form of major discrimination suffer yet another slam.

Re: Boxer/Rice.
Most people have an idea of the sacrifice being made in the Iraq war. Barbara Boxer was trying to highlight the fact that families of the American Soldiers in Iraq are the ones who are visited by officers and Chaplains with the devastating news of the death of a son, father, sister, mother or brother.
There are levels of understanding that we have regarding this war, Ms Boxer was trying to focus on that extreme depth of understanding held by those closest to the vilolent reality of this unnecessary war.
Sincerely,
Doug LaPlante
Spokane, Wa

My son is 17 and will soon have to register for the draft. At some point they may actually reinstate the draft. I would be honored if my son chose a military career.

What a great many of you are missing is; these sons and daughters are SOLDIERS in an all-volunteer military. If they joined the military without an understanding that they might be in harm's way, then I feel sorry for them.

We need to win this war both to keep radical Islam at bay as well as to honor those sons and daughters who have already given their lives.

Soldiers fight wars. Let’s support our troops!

Here is how I interpret Boxer's question: The Bush administration has so far proven itself immune to the Constitution. There have been manifest crimes, yet no accountability (we know what they are: false casus belli; kidnapping and torture; privacy violations; corruption of legal, military and financial oversight mechanisms; theft of the public weal, etc.). The legislative and judicial branches have either abetted or ignored those crimes. The only people to have 'paid a price' for this fiasco are the soldiers who have died or been wounded, and their families. Who knows what price will be have to be paid in the future? The question I believe Boxer put to Rice is: If not through the death of a loved one, then what price will YOU have to pay for causing the deaths of people whom YOU DON'T KNOW? Rice cannot answer that, because in this administration there is no law, no constitution, no accountability.

Let's look beyond Andrea Mitchel's hate for any American or Israeli Jew who sides with GWB (The one tasked in role as protector of ALL Americans). Let's look at the current and past view, and Shira law, regarding single and married woman in Islam. In Iran right now a 16 year old single woman is facing hanging to trying to prevent a Muslim male gang from raping her in a public park. She fought him off with a knife. Penality for a 16 year old single woman not allowing some Muslim male from raping you... is hanging. Had she not fought off her Iranian attackers her penality for being raped would be ...hanging. Had she been married, and raped, penality would have been death by stoning... or honor killing by any means by husband and immediate male family members.

Muslims emboldened by the democrat peace-nic cut-n-run policy would love to have Boxter, A. Mitchel, Nancy Pelosi & Hillory under Shira law in Calif and NYC. Watch them whine and mess themselves, dangling from a rope, would be Al Jezerra TV (Formerly NBC) watching. At least Condi wouldn't be whining going out like a true western warrior.

Without the entire quote from Sen. Barbara Boxer, it is difficult to judge the matter.

But based on what I've heard and read, it appears that Boxer's statement is similar to what appears under the by-lines of Jonathan Darman, Richard Wolffe and Evan Thomas in Newsweek (January 15, 2007).

"For most members of Congress - as for most Americans - the Iraq war has been an abstraction, to be debated and defended or deplored, but never experienced in any real or personal sense."

I reject that notion. Of course the war is personal for all of us. Our future - even for those of us who disagree with the reasoning for the war and/or strategy - is at stake. Even if you are childless and do not know anyone who is fighting, the war is taking funds that might be applied to your social security benefits - and possibly food or medicine budgets.

Not personal? Of course it's personal.

You don't need a child involved or otherwise to know that war is real and has real consequences.

Rice doesn't necessarily have to have kids in order to understand the sacrifices of war. If she has family or friends, she understands what it would mean to lose someone close to her. I know there is greater significance if she had her own child, but this shouldn't put any gap in her credibility because she is an adept leader. In this country, we choose our leaders on their merits, not their gender or whether or not the person has children of their own.

President Rice

Does anyone believe that if Rice had children they would be fighting in iraq?

I never understood what being a father meant, till I had my daughter. She comes before everything in my life, including me.

For the Secretary, position and power have alway been foremost. Husband, children and family are not on the horizon for her.
It's hard to feel it if you've never felt it...

No loving mother or father would willing allow their son or daughter to go off to possible death and destruction. Not even as the flags wave and battle hymns play...

Andrea Mitchell isn't insensitive to moral decency, nor does she hate Jews. She was performing the most important service in a free society, exposing the truth, and sometimes it's inconvenient to your political agenda. The reality of this war speaks for itself and all of this righteous bleating is just political masturbation based on a fantasy that things are different than they really are.

Dale Peters Posted:
"Rice has no idea what pain military families have when a love one is called up. Not because of her sex because she does not care like every Republican."

They are not "called up." It's an all volunteer military, remember?
And as a Republican whose son has seen 2 combat tours in Iraq, one combat tour in Afghanistan, and 2 tours in Korea, your statement is insulting that we don't care. Talk about propaganda.

No matter what political party, no matter whether we are single or married, with or without children, no matter what race or sex, there are those of us who know AND care.

Some of you people think it's Bush's war. It's not. It's our war, like it or not.

I can’t believe all the negative diatribe being thrown out on this forum. I will keep this as civil as possible without going draconian on some of you. First off, Secretary Rice as well as the Bush administration has done the best they could up till now. If you for one second believe otherwise, please pack your bags and leave our country. I often wonder how Sen Gore would have done or what Sen Kerry’s plan was. I always said and still say, you don’t have to love your politicians, but you must love your country.

I have been to many other countries and boy do we have it good. Maybe too good at times. By many of you Americans publicly bashing these sworn, elected, public officials, you not only degrade the stature and dignity of out great nation, but you also dishonor ALL those from the time dating back to the American Revolution up to the countless global soles of those lost during 9-11 and those we continue to loose in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the many other parts of the world.

You should be ashamed of you selves. Lets take a quick flashback to the time of the WW2 era. If you said the things you wrote on this board out in public, you would be beaten and called a traitor by everybody within ears reach. Following WW2 was Korea, this is were we felt loss as a nation so the divide went. At this time was the installation of communism into the most impressionable, reachable, and soon to be influential audience......The universities. It all started with a convoluted ideology that was expanded on within groups of young people who were being heard for the first time in their lives because they are now educated adults. Move forward to the Vietnam era. By this time, those ideologies were common practices and psychologically complacent to those who would have stood up against them in the past but....like most ideologies, they have been filtered and misconstrued and Oh, by the way, lets add drugs, lots and lots of drugs. Do you see where this is going?

I don’t hate you, but I do believe you have been polluted with misguided patterns of thought. Today, we face an enemy who given the chance would decimate you, your family, and every single thing you believe in, own and like. This enemy is non-negotiable in their thought which is way deeper, and wayyyyyyyy older then ours. Trying to change their radical thought would be like trying to describe the colors of the rainbow to someone who has never has sight.

Bottom line, stop the criticism and come up with a solution. The easiest thing to do is say how screwed up something is but not once in this blog have I read anything intelligent about how to resolve any of your complaints. Go ahead with the "get rid of bush" or the "rice should have a baby" solution crap. I and the rest of the Red, White, and Blue Americans will just read it and laugh because like I said a moment ago, the word "intelligent" will come to mind.

Dem or Rep, stop embarrassing your grandparents, parents, your children and your selves and give solutions to the problems and stop being part of them.

Boxer really had her head in a box when she suggested single woman couldn't understand the sacrifices of war. Last time I checked, single women still had siblings, parents, and other loved ones they care about deeply - some of whom have paid the ultimate price in battle. And sometimes, though not in Rice's case (as far as we know, anyway), single women even have children who grow up to fight and die in wars.

Standing at the marriage altar doesn't confer any special ability to experience, appreciate, and understand loss or grief. Suggesting that it does is a terrible insult to all single persons - single women in particular.

21,500 more troups and then all the Republicans will be in Iraq...Nice going Bush!

No you don't have to be a mother, but some connection would help and might make them reconsider their policy driven WITHOUT personal sacrifice.

The point about her is she can drive this policy without FEAR.

The question is, if Rice nephew, neice, daughter, son, were in the military or subject to being equally involved would they do the same.
The answer is no.

You hear so many people who use the VOLUNTEER army as an excuse for abusing their use. "They knew whent they joined... da da da da..."

Just because they volunteered doesn't mean we should abandon them.
I bet if another rape case or sexual abuse case comes up America won't say, "Hey you volunteered you knew what you were getting into" now would you? I hope not.

We have to leave some time my friends.
So do we NOT pull out then too because things could still turn catastrophic?

Bush is only interested in how history will portray him. Right now it doesn't look so good, he knows this, and is looking for away to make it appear good.

Mr. Peters, thank you for your service to your country by being part of her military. I work with and for veterans every day and have great respect for all of them. What I am suggesting that you consider is that the enemy of the US and your enemy are outside the US, not your countrymen. By blaming everything that is wrong on one political party, you are insulting half of the people in this country. And those people are also veterans, are also serving in the military services. The Republicans are not your enemy. That is what I am trying to get you to see.

All politicans make mistakes. That is why we have elections, to elect new people who we think (and pray) will do a better job. President Clinton (a Democrat) had 8 years to go after the terrorists, remember the first attack on the World Trade Center was on his watch, also the attacks on the US embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole. President Clinton (a Democrat) made plenty of mistakes too. President Carter (a Democrat) didn't do a very good job getting the hostages out of Iran either.

My point is this: As the last two national elections have shown, the people in this country are almost evenly divided in their political views. But that doesn't make us enemies of each other. Vote your beliefs on election day, but don't make other Americans your enemy. If you do, you are helping our real enemies by weakening our country from within and making it that much easier for them to destroy us. If that happens you won't have to worry about political parties because none of us will be voting anymore.

If people cannot see the utter futility of the "war" that W has perpetrated on Iraq and the US, one can only have sympathy for them. America must regather its integrity in the eyes of the people and nations of the world. We must be the instrument of reason who will stop the fighting and allow some semblance of caring to prevail. This is not a boxing match, a sporting event. One cannot stop this fight by throwing the last punch. In this world "the last punch" equates to a nuclear holocaust and all of us can agree that even that would not stop the fighting and it would rival the tragedy of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There must be understanding of positions and agreement in some form. The best leaders will bear the frustration and maintain the resolve to continue striving for accord.

Standing at the marriage altar doesn't confer any special ability to experience, appreciate, and understand loss or grief. Suggesting that it does is a terrible insult to all single persons - single women in particular.

Posted by: Alec West | Jan 14, 2007 12:30:52 PM

I have to disagree with you. As a father, I don't think I could bare the loss of any of my sons. I have, at my age, had many losses to the reaper. So I know about loss. But any deaths I have survived through would be nothing if it were my sons.

If the repulsive Barbara Boxer is an example of what the Democrats have to offer to the war debate, then this country is in big trouble. The country turned to the Democrats out of frustration with Bush and all they can do is insult.

Bottom line: A cheap shot is a cheap shot. Boxer should be ashamed of herself, and the posters above who support her shrewish little cheap shot show themselves as being as contemptible and lacking in character and common decency as she has shown herself to be. Plus, they are what Lenin once referred to as "useful idiots."

OK.....I will follow along. I have said what I believe above, now I will back my blog. I will start here. This question is for the above blog spot from:Posted by: "Kringer Kranle | Jan 14, 2007 12:41:32 PM
21,500 more troups and then all the Republicans will be in Iraq...Nice going Bush!"

Ma'am, what does "nice going Bush!" infer? Are you lashing out at a situation that you are read in on? Or, are you just attempting to publicly degrade the man whom is the elected representative of the Presidency of the United States of America? Please clarify this because if you have first hand knowledge of something the rest of America doesn’t, be a good citizen and educate at least me.

As I said in my earlier blog, I knew some of you would keep taking from our nation by blasting it. Some will say they are NOT BLASTING THE NATION, but in fact you are. The people you ARE blasting are the representatives of our nation so in fact they are the nation. We are the air inside the balloon. What good is a pretty balloon without it inflated and on a lanyard?

Maybe for once in your lives, you may want to try and give something back. The focus of the original discussion was about Secretary Rice whom is, was and probably will continue to be a dedicated public servant. She has since served with honor, loyalty, and commitment to the nation. What have you done for this country? I am well aware of the commitment that many members of my family to include my self have and still do in a daily contribution to this country. We/I have been giving to this country since President Clinton and will continue. Even under the Clinton administration members of my family discussed the administrations policies, quite often the "issues" we had with them but you know what....YOU and no one else will never know what we said because that would be a kick in the shin to the USA. My family acted in the only way we were empowered to. We voted, yes we lost. No we are NOT sore over it. Even with the recent docudrama "the path to 911" and the controversy with the Clinton administration, I watched it and I do NOT fully blame the administration. I have discussed the issue with staunch Clinton "haters" and explained my opinion which was in partial defense of his administration though they were a part of the blame, they were not the only one on the blame line. Just my thought.

Back to Secretary Rice. That woman has overcome more obstacles in her life and has made more sacrifices during her pre-political era then you will make in you next two generations. She has given her self to you, the public. I never heard anybody criticize Jesus, nor Buddha for not having children. I am in no way referring to Secretary Rice as a “divine” figure, I am making a comparison to those whom have served a public.

Who do I think I am?
This is me….First hand
I know loss, I know death, I know sacrifice, I know servitude, I know loyalty, I know freedom, and I know happiness…..I know America!!!!
What do you know?

HEy. More people were killed in Chicago and New Orleans and Houston in one year than all the time we have been in Iraq. What does that tell you. Cliff

GOD- the ONE on whose is power to everything is very smart and HIS greatest inventionis death, conscience , the law of karma, and the fact that only HE know tomorow --- the END of ech person ...and even the END of whatever we are invilve in---- given to us

He honor human to represent Him on this planet and each one of us will account for how we spend the priledge given us to show

This incident is a prime example of the way right-wing spin works. Did Boxer say what the right wing says she did? Not that I hear. Boxer says, well, my children are too old (thus will never be sent to Iraq), and your-- well, your immediate family won't be sent because they don't exist. Therefore, neither of us have loved ones at risk in Iraq. End of story.

But, in order to distract from the incomptetent president's plan and the utter rout that Ms. Rice is watching over in international affairs, you have to reimagine what was said as though it was a slap at Ms. Rice's childlessness. Read the remark, it was nothing of the sort.

The same things were done with Al Gore -- who did not say he invented the Internet, nor did he grow up in a "fancy hotel," nor did he "claim" that he and his wife were the models for the couple in "Love Story." These were examples of the era in which the right wing spun and the press repeated like zombies. Now we're living in a different world. They've been spinning like this for years, and it's no longer believable. The fake outrage. The deliberate misquoting and the misconstruing of facts, this is the way that this gang of fools has attempted to govern. No more.

I've been a single woman (didn't marry until age 32) and a married woman with children.

NO WAY does someone without children feel as deeply about sending a son or daughter to war as someone with them. When you raise a child, and watch them grow up, and for those of us who choose to have them through a pregnancy -- feel them growing inside of our bodies, a different bond occurs.

So why should I "sacrifice" my children to a war that I do NOT believe in, when the Bush girls ain't going! And few of the children of those in high government are going! Are Donald Trumps kids going? Heck, send Britney Spears (since she's choosing not to stay at home much with her children anyway -- and there are other moms WITH BABIES serving in Iraq)!

The Bush girls are being thrown out of other countries for -- what? Running naked through hotels? Sounds like the military might teach these girls a bit more discipline, and yet they're not in Iraq as combat troops?!

I think that we need a new law stating that if those in congress, the senate and the presidency have children -- that they must agree to have their children enlist before voting in favor of war. They should lead by example. Not preach to the rest of us about how we must continue to sacrifice.

I now understand why so many families stood behind their children who fled to Canada to avoid the draft during Vietnam.

This is meant as no disrespect to single women either. There are many life sitations that I can't fully feel nor understand either, because I'm not living them!

Tim Kenney--
Dale Peters is nothing more than a propagandist for the enemy,like many on this blog,his far left Democratic views actually do more harm to our troops morale than he knows.
Us normal,clear-thinking Americans say,Thank-You, for your son's service to our great nation and may God Bless him.
Paulo

To those who just don't get this my wife is dead because of Republican Lies. My Family will never be the same with his brain injury because of Republican lies. You say your not my enemy yes you are.

HEy. More people were killed in Chicago and New Orleans and Houston in one year than all the time we have been in Iraq. What does that tell you. Cliff

Posted by: cliff zeider | Jan 14, 2007 3:25:18 PM

It tells me that More people were killed in Chicago and New Orleans and Houston in one year than were killed in the towers. What's your point?

Us normal,clear-thinking Americans say,Thank-You, for your son's service to our great nation and may God Bless him.
Paulo

God help us!!!!!

Mike Hyland - are you for real? I study Iranian law and have been to Iran several times. You're completely wrong about Shira law as practiced in Iran. You typify the problem with war-mongering bigots - you are truly ignorant but you don't realize it.

hey yoy Bush bashers, this conflict is not about Bush, I know you miss your late marriage-vow breaking president and obviously you're still upset about losing power. I guess it was a big blow to your ego when your boys Gore and Kerry didn't win. You must feel your surrounded by idiots, that's how I felt when Clinton was elected a second term. Sucks, doesn't it? But I would be willing to put our differences aside, because I love this country. I may strongly dislike you, but this country comes first. I don't agree with Bush as far as protecting our borders, but the Democrats are worse. We can fight together as brothers to protect our Constitution, borders, language, culture, and family values, or we can meet in battle and I will do all in my power to vanquish you.

Regardless of how anyone feels about the war, most honest observers see Boxer's remarks as a personal attack on Rice. And it is a sad day for women when a professional woman is attacked for her marital status. And it is especially disgusting that a Senator would engage in such crude and malicious speech. Senator Boxer demeans herself. And the fact that she is a woman makes it all worse. And it once again illustrates that Democrat feminists don't really care about women here, or in our armed forces protecting us all, or women overseas where they are hanged for defending themselves from rapes. All the feminists care about is leftist politics and power. Sen. Boxer revels in her power.And this is what she chooses to do with it.

I would also say 18 year olds are not children. They make their own decisions.

And if you think there is no reason to protect this country, then what about Sept. 11th?

And since we are talking about "children" what about the children of Beslan? They were massacred in their school.

By a few Islamic extremists.

Ann:

"One can not "know" how it feels, one can only guess".
+++

..... I'm guessing that the average Iraqi would want to turn the clock back to the days of Saddam.

At least it wasn't an invader who was doing the killing.

You must feel your surrounded by idiots, that's how I felt when Clinton was elected a second term. Sucks, doesn't it? But I would be willing to put our differences aside, because I love this country. I may strongly dislike you, but this country comes first.
Posted by: Nevermore | Jan 14, 2007 5:57:50 PM

Yes...and you are truely one of them. The difference between you and I is intellegence and your lack of it. A stupid post like yours deserves an answer like this.

Whenever a Republican of the Bush/Cheney axis start talking about how "nothing of value is ever won without sacrifice," the response should be, "okay, how about taxing gasoline to break our 'oil addiction' or dropping the corporate tax breaks to pay for the war ... and, while we're at it, how about bringing back the draft?"

Condi deserved everything she got. Over and over again, it's been "everything is going smoothly", "the Iraqi army is ready to fight," "democratic idealism is flooding the region". The media goes ga-ga over her because she has a nice fashion sense and is better looking than say, oh, Madeline Albright. But she hasn't made one right decision since she took the job.

And it is a sad day for women when a professional woman is attacked for her marital status.
Posted by: Backyard Conservative | Jan 14, 2007 6:18:23 PM

Missed the point Backyard.....Not her marital status...her status as a mother. If you have children you should understand the question.

Holy book all say sun revolve around earth too.

Do you still believe THAT?

"What does being a single childless woman have to do with it? Bush is a married man with two daughters and clearly he doesn't understand either. It has to do with the privilege of knowing that your family will never have to make that sacrifice.

Posted by: Dienne | Jan 14, 2007 9:37:02 AM"

Dienne! Where ya been hollaback lady?

I find it interesting that the British Royals require their offspring to participate in the UK military is some fashion. Andrew and Henry or William are or will be combat vets.

Ya think the Falklands wasn't tuff anyone? Think again. Worst possible operational conditions. 7000 Royal Marines surround and capture 25k Argentines.

Anyway, it does make some sense, in this day of female military participation, to expect the offspring of the Pres. to serve.

You must feel your surrounded by idiots, that's how I felt when Clinton was elected a second term. Sucks, doesn't it? But I would be willing to put our differences aside, because I love this country. I may strongly dislike you, but this country comes first.
Posted by: Nevermore | Jan 14, 2007 5:57:50 PM

Typical nutty Republican. What the heck was that statement about meeting in battle and vanquishing someone. Once the Democrats win back the Presidency the Republicans and their craziness will be marginalized to the shadows where they belong.

31337,
You are a scary person. So opinionated, so dense, so brainwashed. You try to make an enemy of anyone who has a different opinion from yours. Sad, because it is debate and dissent, not blind faith and selling your soul and children's bodies to the current Patriarch that make America GREAT. Debate and dissent, not sheepish behavior; read your history. That is America the Beautiful.

Barbara Boxer is a public servant as well, and if you know anything about the constituency she serves (Bay Area, Ca) her comment represents many of us. We are fed up with elite policy makers determining when our children go and fight even though they are unwilling to make the same sacrafices. Those of us who have served, as many posting as well as myself have, should be outraged that both our president and vice president were of fighting age during the Vietnam conflict and did not serve. After evading the draft when it was their time to serve, they enter us into a war of aggression in Iraq. Some of you will retort that it is a war to protect America...
What are we fighting to protect? Many of you refer to September 11, regardless of the fact that the Iraq war has absolutely nothing to do with September 11. Hussein and Bin Laden have always been bitter enemies. Others will inevitably point to the weapons of mass destruction which still have not been found after 3 years of occupation, but of course are to be expected since the US (the biggest arms ealer in the world) sold Iraq chemical weapons to use in their war with Iran.
I love America. However, I believe our current policies are misguided. As an educator in an urban school, I can agree with the earlier comment about the deaths in Chicago, New Orleans and all of our cities. However, we continue to spend billions of dollars on exporting death. Why?

1st--to 31337, who said first that the post was going to be civil, and then immediately said that anyone who didn't agree with Bush & Rice should leave the country--well, gosh, that doesn't sound terribly civil. That's what I'd call an un-democratic outlook, the belief that we have to believe the best of our sworn officials because...um, because they're our sworn officials, and if you publicly disparage our officials, then you're "degrading" and "dishonoring" not only those officials, but the whole country. Dishonoring, in fact, the whole history of the country and every soldier who has every fought in any war. Believe me, I'm glad I live in a country where we're allowed to criticize the government, and I am happy to exercise that right. See, some war apologists like to say to war citics, "well, you should be happy that you live in a country where you can freely criticize your government," as if a) It's, well, churlish and ungrateful to actually use that right, and b) This war is being fought in defense of those rights. The thing is, I don't happen to think that this president's current war is doing anything to protect our rights.

Some of the posts here make it sound like this is a war that we're fighting against Radical Islam, as if the enemy in Iraq were Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. But that war should have been fought and won in Afghanistan, instead of our being sidetracked in Iraq. And, the odd thing is, radical Islam has made great strides forward in Iraq during the time that we've been trying to occupy the country. And, besides, I've seen little evidence that the "enemy" there is radical Islam. Who exactly are we fighting? Sunnis? Shi'ites? Radicals? All of them? And who are we defending? The police? The Iraqi military? They seem to be divided into factions and religious militias. All of these questions seem to have fuzzy answers, which is why the war there is becoming a *gasp* Quagmire. We've got to get out. Now.

As for Senator Boxer and Secretary Rice--the problem with Rice is not that she's childless, and doesn't seem to love anybody. The problem with her is that she's chosen to be part of this war machine. She's one if its defenders, and apologizers, and, probably, one of its architects. Bush and Cheney both have children, and that hasn't stopped either of them from pursuing policies that might be described as heartless (even if the two of them, in their personal lives, are not heartless.) The problem is not Rice's personal life, it's her political choices. Boxer's mistake was making it personal. I do think it was a cheap shot by Boxer, even if I agree with her political goals. And it's too bad, because by making it personal, Boxer is diverting attention away from the real issue, which is not whether Rice is personally heartless, but whether the policies that she supports are.

Hmm, so homosexuals can't make these kind of decisions either, eh Ms. Boxer?

"I can’t believe all the negative diatribe being thrown out on this forum. I will keep this as civil as possible without going draconian on some of you. First off, Secretary Rice as well as the Bush administration has done the best they could up till now. If you for one second believe otherwise, please pack your bags and leave our country."

31337

Irony? Or hypocrisy? You make the call.

And what if someone aborted their children Ms. Boxer?

Should all mothers,(no matter for how short a time), automatically be able to claim moral superiority (to make these kind of life or death decisions)? Hmm Ms. Boxer?

31337 said:
Some will say they are NOT BLASTING THE NATION, but in fact you are. The people you ARE blasting are the representatives of our nation so in fact they are the nation.

Just as an aside...
So Bush II "is the nation"?
Wasn't it King Louis XIV who said, "I am the state"?

Hmm, so it's heartless to oppose this kind of thing, this kind of extremist political ideology, wherever it raises its head, whether in Afghanistan, Iran or in Iraq, if Iran (and Ms. Boxer)gets their way and we leave.(By the way, they execute children in Iran.):

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7404

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=6

"Boxer had made a reference to the childless Rice being unable to understand the sacrifices of American families who had lost loved ones in the Iraq war."

- Bay Fang

This is a mischaracterization of Sen. Boxer's remarks.

At no time did Sen. Boxer point out that Ms. Rice is "childless."

Instead, Sen. Boxer noted that she herself had children that were "too old" to be in Iraq, and that she had grandchildren that were "too young" to be in Iraq.

Sen. Boxer further said that as far as she knew Ms. Rice did not have any immediate family in Iraq.

The thing I appreciate about Republicans is that they demand that Democrats state the EXACT facts.

The thing I despise about Republicans is that they do not hold themselves to the same standard.

First off for tonight’s events.....David Shapiro, I respect your opinion and will NOT debate your comments at this time due to the clear opinionated thought that went into them as well as your honesty. But please tone down the rhetoric. Just a tiny bit. It would add soooooooo much more credibility to your side of the debate. I mean no disrespect.

On the other hand.....
Dewayne!!!!! Look ma'am, riddle me this....What have you done for your country lately? Me, I'm enjoying a 4 day “keeping my knees outA da breeze” “All the way”. You are nothing more then a freedom sucking slug that should be rolled in a bowl of salt.

Here is riddle:
What is more pliable then rubber????

Answer:
Some of your flaring emotions....Lolol

@ll y0ur th0ught bel0n6 t0 u5 DEWAYNE "d@ p@\/\/n"

Good night and good luck to the rest of the GOOD Americans who will continue to support our President and our country. God speed, “All the way!!!!!”

V/r
31337
l337 cr3w @r/\/\@63dd0/\/

Would Ms. Boxer suggest that women with children are less than committed to their careers?

Mike Hyland - are you for real? I study Iranian law and have been to Iran several times. You're completely wrong about Shira law as practiced in Iran.
Posted by: rsalem | Jan 14, 2007 5:41:38 PM

What is the difference between Sharia law practiced in Iran and Saudi Arabia? How are the rights of women protected in either country?

I just don't understand how there could be any problem about Bush raising the troop levels. He has a lot of backers, doesn't he? A lot of suppoters? People who see clearly that the Iraqu war is worth it and requires the sacrifice of lives? Brave people with the "stomach" to see this thing through? How many of them are there? Say 30% of the US population? Well, that is a little more than 100 million people according to the last census. Train them, and send them. Or, ir they prefer to stay home and watch it all transpire on Fox News from the comfort of their living rooms, then my advice to them is simply "Put up, or shut up."

Who do I think I am?
This is me….First hand
I know loss, I know death, I know sacrifice, I know servitude, I know loyalty, I know freedom, and I know happiness…..I know America!!!!
What do you know?
Posted by: 31337 | Jan 14, 2007 2:44:25 PM

I know you don't write very well. I know you fancy yourself as a h@xor even though you are most likely a script kiddy. I know you and your "family" are deluded and wrong.

My God, what if Ms. Rice had been a feminist or a Democrat and her questioner had been a conservative. The outrage would have never stopped. Perhaps Hillary should be asked if she could imagine since she doesn't have a male child? How would our media respond? That is a rhetorical question since we all know how it would respond.

It is the hypocrisy as much as the politics that divides the country and is leading to the decline and fall of the mass media.

Mike Nicodemo CQ. Are we talking about the same biased media with names like Rush Limberger, and FOX news. No they would never say anything bad about the democratic party. Rice is a tool of the republican party. Republicans care only for money in their pockets. To heck with the economy, to heck with the military, to heck with the environment. Drive your big SUV, and let your children clean up the mess.

Rice is so far better for our country as President than an other wantabe from either party.
Rice for President !

"First off for tonight’s events.....David Shapiro, I respect your opinion and will NOT debate your comments at this time due to the clear opinionated thought that went into them as well as your honesty. But please tone down the rhetoric. Just a tiny bit. It would add soooooooo much more credibility to your side of the debate. I mean no disrespect."

31337, I would strongly suggest you take a bit of your own advice. The only rhetoric on this page was that coming from your very own posts. David Shapiro has done nothing but maintain a level-headed perspective that provides as much balance as today's political climate allows. Your own posts however added little to the discussion outside of constantly proclaiming your own blind loyalty for an administration that has even admitted it's on the wrong path. That is rhetoric and does nothing than try to cloud the real issues behind some phony patriotic shroud.

Kudos to David Shapiro for leaving his own personal politics out of the discussion and posting an intelligent and thoughtful argument. We could all learn something from him.

Boxer is just pointing out the costs of war.

Boxer cannot be questioned on her feminist credentials and anyone who cares about women's issues knows that. Rice however supports an administration that has done this in the weeks since the election...appointing Dr. Eric Keroack as deputy assistant secretary of the HHS Office of Population Affairs...
"So our President has appointed (Congress does not have to confirm) a man who is anti-birth control and anti-sex education to oversee a program designed to provide birth control and sex education. He ignores research which shows that the abstinence-only programs he promotes result in more unwanted pregnancies and therefore increase the number of abortions."

Why doesn't the press focus on the military families who have lost children--those are the people Rice has ignored & continues to ignore.

Peace mom

Isn't it interesting that Ms. Boxer just inserted another way to discriminate against women.Now I suppose a woman needs to be married to work in a top position of our gouvernment. No, wait, if a woman is married, then, obviously, she won't be able to concentrate since she will have to cook and clean and take care of her husband! Never mind that most of our problems in the world are created by men and no one, including Ms.Boxer ever asks them about their wives, their children, their marital status or limits them or their careers by any of those considerations.
Poor Ms. Boxer, she has a lot to say and very little to think about as long as she can boil it all down to it's least common denominator.

boxer needs to grow up

Barbara Boxer's assertion that Rice doesn't understand the price of war because Rice has no children, has a very familiar ring. I knew I had heard the same dross elsewhere. Then I remembered: those books about slaveholders in the South who believed that a black person didn't feel the same pain or emotional distress as a white person. Thus it was OK to overwork them, separate them from their families, whip them and, oh yes, no time off for funerals because they didn't feel the loss of a loved one the way a white person does. Barbara Boxer has played the race card.

Andrea Mitchell hates Jews? Hates Bush?

Really?

So the fact that Andrea Mitchell is JEWISH, married to a long-time Bush Cabinet member and was vocal in her support for Bush in the last election means...what?

Wake up people -- she was an admin. plant. They are trying to spin this one as an unfair attack by Boxer. We are now seeing how very supportive Repugs are of women's rights. Yea, sure.

I am a republican and proud of it, so come on and bash me for a while, and then maybe after you are done putting me down, then come up with a better plan for Iraq. everyone keeps saying our kids are being killed in Iraq,(they enlisted) but in the same breath want to legalize abortion. My grandmother was adopted, if the democrats had their way her mother would have been allowed to have an abortion, but wait that would make ya'll happy,One less Republican in the world.

As a married parent, I agree it is harder for single non-parents to deeply feel and understand war deaths of kids and spouses. My family and I support Sen. Boxer, not neocon Rice. dpatterson.blogspot.com

David Shapiro-I loved your replay to 31337's comment.I was shocked that an American would say that we shouldn't question the people we elected to office. I thought we elected a president not a king.

Conservative Islamic terrorists are afraid that America is taking over the world & bent on destroying their way of life. So they go to war. They think it is a righteous war, and Allah is on their side.

Conservative American patriots are afraid that Islamic terrorists want to destroy America & the American way of life. So they go to war. They think it is a righteous war, and God is on their side.

Practically everybody else in the world thinks that peace is possible, and that there shouldn't be a war. But conservative terrorists don't want to give up because they think they will win, and conservative patriots don't want to give up because they think they will win, too. Both sides think "surrender is weakness," and "retreating will only encourage the enemy," so they will fight to the death.

Both terrorists and patriots die, and so to avenge their deaths, more terrorists and more patriots take up arms so that "their deaths will not be in vain".

Both sides think more guns & soldiers are the only solution, because they think the other side is too crazy, dangerous, and inhuman to negotiate with. Both sides think they are "right", and everybody else is wrong, including neutral parties & the rest of the world.

You become the enemy that you fight. In the eyes of the world, the patriots are beginning to resemble terrorists, while the terrorists are beginning to look like patriots.

Peace is possible. Leave Iraq, partition it into 3 separate states that renounce war with aid contingent on peace & rebuilding, with option open for future voluntary reunification, and an interim UN peacekeeping force.

"If you're able to be a strong leader in America we don't care what sex or color you are.
That's what makes or country so great".


Is that why all presidents have been white guys?

crystal,
Abortion is already legal.

The fringe right now finds themselves collectively standing on the sand castle they have built. Dogma, mania, and prey upon the populace only goes so far. Those who are given eyes are starting to see, as history shows.

Of course, as the original thread indicates, Rice is challenged understanding the pain of loss due to death. Perhaps an unscripted visit to some VA hospitals at home right here in little old America might help with her conceptual dilemma. Here's another little challenge for the ridiculous Anti-Christ right. I'm married to a mother who lost an adult daughter to cancer. It took three years for her to die. This was an en-souled and beloved daughter, sister, wife. Stem cell research could have saved her.

Rice and her owners will continue to prey upon those who lap up the right’s rhetorical poison like dogs, thinking in their innocence that simple belief in their leader's assurances is all that is required of them. And so, good Christians find themselves embracing the Biblical Beast; war, death, disease. Greed. Power.

Bearing false witness is one of the Big Ten. Wrapping evil words with pages of a sacred script is using the Lord's words in vain. Charlatan profiteering from the pulpit is the only human action Biblically recorded which angered Christ Himself. Of course these sinful temptations, like adultery, thievery, and ever murder, are present in this life. This is by Design.

Also by design is our ability to choose right from wrong. It’s called “free will”. Something to this effect was demonstrated Biblically when mankind and his planet weren’t, well, utterly Sodomized, after the crucifixion, starting with Jerusalem and its peoples.

My own “lying eyes”, logic that cannot be ignored, reason found in the Bible, belief in my country and its citizens, tell me that $2 billion per week spent in the oil-rich middle east. Rice’s time, would be much better spent here in our own country. In this way, and this way only, can we, the People, serve in the interest of freedom. Why is this true? Why listen to yet another “drunk in the street”?

First, remove the mote from thine own eye.

Best, UncleG.

"It was good for 5-1/2 million for me last year," Louisiana state
Sen. Dudley LeBlanc said after Groucho Marx asked him what his
"miracle" tonic was good for.

i've believe the war we got ourself into was all a mistake.bush mistake iraq for iran talking about a screw up administation .bush make mens and women,go to a war that never going to win. i believe iraq will be in civil wars for many years to come.the word UNITED.STATE. we must come to some kind of agreement whats is right and wrong. we cant go on doing what 1narrow minded person wants.If you look how iraq was before and now it alot differnce. more people dies in iraq then ever before. whys is that some of might ask. reason we some how keep making iraqis not trust us. we went to war for so call weapon of mass.then found nothing.iraq womens rape,abuse,even kill just because..more problem keep on ramping up. i cant believe what i heard on the news BUSH wants more troop in iraq. I believe now American will not make the same mistake no more. WE as united state support our troops and for the war i only support it if we fight for the truth.not lies or issue thats we have with other country .or just the word ..because.. im a registure soilder when i turn 18 now 28 if have to go to war i will fight . only for the country freedom.united state is my homeland.my kids and grand-childrens too. for other thoughts i thank deeply .i respect all brave mens and women of the arms force and wish them to return home soon. so they can live a normal lives

This attempt to besmirch Rice is nothing more than racism and misogyny. Ms. Rice shares no blame for the Iraq war other than her complicity as a member of the most inept, destructive administration since Nixon attempted to wrest absolute power from our constitution. Rumsfeld, Cheney and their conservative, big business cronies have destroyed the reputation of the United States. And you can thank this bumbling administration for newborn anti-American iconoclasts like Chavez and Ahmadinejad. This is just another case of white, conservative, old men looking for a powerful woman to blame.

It's high time Mr. Bush get his daughters to enlist! It's fine to send other people's sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, husbands and wives...but if he's so certain that this is the RIGHT THING TO DO...without and exit strategy...then I say, send his DAUGHTERS NOW!!! And I'm not saying let them stay in Kuwait or even in the green zone...I mean on the streets, going door to door, driving in those Humvees, being afraid of IEDs! Where is his personal sacrifice?

Let George and Laura REALLY feel the pain!

Ya, plus you don't even know! I think about it as twice as much as you do and you can't even comprehend the magnatude of the complications as to when or if it is to happen. You fool, dont allow youe blured vision to decept what is right in fron of your face. Only when it arises can one truly understand the significanse of the statue in place that has only one true meaning. Listen up to what I say for it has been previous and will be said again.

This has been a great discussion ladies and gents. I've read the whole thing and I have to say I'm very impressed. I didn't grow up in a family that was very political so up until reciently I wasn't very interested in any issues that didn't involve my own food, shelter, or social well being. I did grow up with certian morals, however, and from my own observations it seems that both sides(left and right) are fighting for them in their own way.

It seems to me that for the most part we are all striving towards the same end, we just haven't agreed YET on how to get there. I think discussion is good; I think arguement is good. Its the way we reach the single best conclusion. If it pleases any of you, I would like to take the ideas of Evanel L. a little further.

"Peace is possible. Leave Iraq, partition it into 3 separate states that renounce war with aid contingent on peace & rebuilding, with option open for future voluntary reunification, and an interim UN peacekeeping force."
Posted by: Evanel L. | Jan 15, 2007 11:05:31 AM

I would like to hear what all of you think of his ideas and this plan.

nothing of value is ever won without sacrifice.... such as oil?

Well, that was getting ugly. I am a mother of five. My kids are right in the age range for going into battle. I do not know how it feels to have a child in the line of fire. I know that they could get hurt at any time, but since they are not in a "for sure" situation of immediate danger, I don't worry or dwell on it.

I am personally offended with this war because I am ashamed that America stooped this low. We were a great Power and now we look weak.

Just to clarify - Andrea Mitchell is not Jewish. She's a Christian Arab-American.

"Rice has no idea the pain a military family has when a familiy member is killed or wounded. Rice has no idea what pain military families have when a love one is called up. Not because of her sex because she does not care like every Republican."

Come on! That's not really fair. I dislike the current Executive branch as much as many here, but Rice was exposed to the turmoil and hate killings
during the 60's and I believe she knows a thing or two about standing up for principles she believes are right. You and I can disagree with her and the people in her circle of power, but let's give her some credit as to her convictions.

Dienne, I believe Secretary Rice was making reference to Sen. Barbara Boxer's recent comments.

After reading All Of The comments,It Is not hard To Understand The shape that This Country Is InThis Country Is So Divided Against each Other.It Will Not Be To Hard For The Muslim Fanatics To take Over This Country.This weak hearted generation would never have survived world war 1 Or world war 2.Wake Up America before It is To Late.Stop This in Fighting.

What makes Barbara Boxers comments particularly repulsive and vile are that they attack a successful black woman. The Democrats simply can't allow independent blacks to become successful because it undermines their power base in the professional black victim underclass. How else can you explain the utter ignorance that "only a mother can understand the true sacrifices of our soldiers". You don't have to be a parent to understand this and the whole nation is grateful for the sacrifices of our soldiers.

I wasn't aware of the right to enlist my children in the armed forces. Was this won by parents everywhere? Or is it only for the priveleged?

"professional black victim underclass"

Talk about repulsive and vile comments.

In my opinion, the issue of Ms. Rice is not about race but about credibility. She never says anything that goes against Mr. Bush's foreign policy position. She is 100% loyal to Bush.

While loyalty may be admirable, blind loyalty is not. This is exactly why she is not popular in the rest of the world. Mr. Bush's idea of foreign policy is simply "his own idea of American policy and never mind what the rest of the world thinks". Ms. Rice simply backs Mr. Bush up, unconditionally. And since the rest of the world doesn't agree with Mr. Bush, Ms. Rice will not succeed in accomplishing anything.

Speaking of the world, there are those who compare Iraq to World Wars I and II. I would like to point out that in WWI and II, the entire world was on our side, and actually asked us to get involved. In Iraq, only the UK is on our side, and we went in clearly uninvited.

(PS. Thx to Anthony W. for your previous comment.)

Fred Carani,
You've been silent of John D and company's attacks on Michelle Obama for earning six figures.

OUCH!!!!!

I was not countermining anything David Shapiro said. I was stating my opinion just as you all are.

As far at the lady who referred to me as a h@x0r..SK.....poppy cock!!!!! I say to you. My loyalty is not blind, it is committed. I voted for President Bush and I will see him through to the end with the same commitment I had in my vote.

The problem I have with some of you in America is the fact that we so often forget and live only in the present. How many of you had displayed your American flag colors right after 9-11? Where are they now? My flag has been there before 9-11, over the coffins of my brothers, under the crying eyes of families and still on my right sleeve today. I know I am not the perfect American but it pains me to hear the bashing of our leaders. Right, wrong, or indifferent they may be but they are our leaders. Not once have I bashed President Clinton in public. Could I have? You bet!!!!! Don’t even get me started on Somalia!!! It's just wrong. Some of you say, that’s what our country is all about....others say, it my constitutional right. I hear you, but when our forefathers wrote that document, they wrote it as a sign of the time with little more then some visionary thought. I know there was no thought given to asymmetric warfare, cyber warfare, digital propaganda, communism, fascist insurgencies, and the war on drugs.

America's future became quite clear during a speech from the late JFK in a 1962 West Point graduation. He said, “This is another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origins—war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins; war by ambush instead of by combat; by infiltration, instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him… It requires in those situations where we must counter it…. a whole new kind of strategy, a wholly different kind of force, and therefore a new and wholly different kind of military training.”

Why does my phone ring when you have a problem that can’t be handled by your superior intellect? To me, it does not matter, I go. So you can have your lattes and MTV and your cell phone with blue tooth I will go. So you can question my "blind faith" in my government on the internet, I will protect you at the cost of my life. It does not matter, but it pains me, but still, for you, I will go.

One of the greatest honors I have ever known unbeknownst to most of you is servitude and sacrifice to America which is my master. Leave the war to us Warriors, if we want your opinions we’ll ask you.

If you only really knew what our enemies are capable of, you may see it a bit differently. At least for the sake of your children.

I will leave this blog post not because I am insulted, or corrected, or feel inferior in any way but I see I will not persuade anyone’s opinion for a better America where we stand together through thick and thin. Good bye.

" if the democrats had their way her mother would have been allowed to have an abortion, but wait that would make ya'll happy,One less Republican in the world.

Posted by: crystal | Jan 15, 2007 10:30:35 AM"

I'm sorry, but this statement betrays a sick mind.

Crystal,
You seem to be incapable of rational thought. You suggestion is insane.

"others say, it my constitutional right. I hear you, but when our forefathers wrote that document, they wrote it as a sign of the time with little more then some visionary thought. I know there was no thought given to asymmetric warfare, cyber warfare, digital propaganda, communism, fascist insurgencies, and the war on drugs. "

So you're saying that you think we should get rid of the First Amendment? Free speech isn't viable in the modern era?

If we eliminate free speech, and hence democracy in favor of enforced obedience to our "leader", how does that differentiate us from the fascists?

Evanel L., I'm sorry if this seems harsh but you need to wake up and get a clue. The "whole world" was on our side in World War II? Really? Are you saying Germany, Japan, Italy and Albania aren't a part of "the whole world" because it seems to me like they weren't on our side when that war broke out. The axis was such a powerful threat to peace specifically BECAUSE it wasn't a one-nation movement, but an alliance of Nazis, Imperialists, and Fascists.

The same is true of today's radical Islamists. They bear loyalty to movement above nation. They're Al Qaeda, Hezbollah or Hamas first, Afghan, Saudi, Iranian, Egyptian or Lebanese second. They'll use any tactic to win.

You're right that Europe asked us to get involved in World Wars I and II, but only after they'd screwed things up so royally with appeasement of both the Kaiser and Hitler. Remember Chamberlain who'd secured "peace in our time?"

THAT is exactly what you would've had the U.S. do in this situation. Capitulate and let Saddam and the rest go. Well Saddam didn't have WMDS, you say. We still know Saddam gave money to the families of suicide bombers in Israel, and supported terror in countless other ways. We still know that Saddam hated the U.S. and was jealous of Osama Bin Laden for killing nearly 3,000 Americans before he did. Allowing him to thumb his nose at the UN and the US (the only power behind the UN) a third time would have only made him more powerful and more dangerous. With the same information Bill Clinton says he would've removed Saddam, too.

But you say the U.S. shouldn't be in Iraq at all, despite what's at stake. You say now we should partition Iraq and leave and allow the corrupt and inept UN (see "Food for Oil" for proof of corruption, see recent "peacekeeping" initiatives for proof of ineptitude) to oversee the new nations. Even if it causes Iran, which is already supplying weapons to insurgents, to have an excuse to go in and conquer the remnants. No thanks. We broke it. We bought it. I know success in Iraq is not in the political interest of the hardcore leftists on this board, but it is ESSENTIAL for the future safety of the U.S. and the stability of the Middle East. No matter how we got there, we must put a viable, safe democracy in Iraq now, as Senator McCain has repeatedly said. Much more than our national credibility is at stake. The lives of millions of innocent people in Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar hangs in the balance, too.

p.s. 31337, I'm honored by your service and real Americans support you.

p.p.s. This is the truth about Barbara Boxer:

Bottom line: A cheap shot is a cheap shot. Boxer should be ashamed of herself, and the posters above who support her shrewish little cheap shot show themselves as being as contemptible and lacking in character and common decency as she has shown herself to be. Plus, they are what Lenin once referred to as "useful idiots."

Great post, Julianna, my military family lost a great member in Vietnam and another in Iraq, but we honor the cause they fought for and refuse to believe they died in vain. We don't try to undermine that cause and put everybody - good and bad - into one category like democrat activist Dale Peters.

"No matter how we got there, we must put a viable, safe democracy in Iraq now, as Senator McCain has repeatedly said. Much more than our national credibility is at stake. The lives of millions of innocent people in Iraq, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar hangs in the balance, too."

Shouldn't we be pushing for viable safe democracies in Saudia Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar, our so-called allies, as well?

In case you haven't heard, the Saudi's have been bank-rolling Sunni insurgents in Iraq. Should we be invading them as well?

"No matter how we got there, we must put a viable, safe democracy in Iraq now..."

Posted by: Jeff | Jan 16, 2007 10:20:22 AM

"Would America be better off with regimes in Morocco,Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait that better reflected the will of the Arab street? Is that a cause worth crusading for, fighting for, dying for? Of the Persian Gulf nations, perhaps the most "democratic"-if voter approval and popular support are our yardstick-is Iran.
The form of government nations adopt is their business, and a foreign policy that declares global democracy as its goal is arrogant and utopian." -Patrick J. Buchanan

Jethro and Tony, the difference between Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and all the nations that you mention is that we went into Iraq (wrongly, I know) because of a perceived threat. You can't just undo that. We're there now. We might've had no business doing it but leaving at this point would cause things to get worse.

Clinton said if he'd had the same information he would've gone in, too. I know this isn't popular or what you want to hear but that doesn't make it any less true. Yes, the form of government a nation adopts is its business that's why the Iraqis chose a strong Shia government. It was the people's will. If they decide to overthrow it and install a Sunni dictator 10 years from now, I'd be the first to say "it's their business," but until it gets off the ground we owe the innocent people a simple chance at self-determination. How long does that go? At least until the whole country can be secured. Yes, there's a point we have to get out by but I just can't see how abandoning all the innocent people there to the whims of Iran and other predatory neighbors helps the U.S., Iraq, Israel or anyone.

If you don't think abandoning Iraq right now would embolden Al Qaeda and other extremist groups operating there read the New York Times or any other newspaper with an international edition for a rebuttal.

p.s. It is cute that someone's listening to what Pat Buchanan has to say. Sort of like when the Minnesota democrats let Walter Mondale run for senate again a few years ago. There's certainly a place for two-time losers in politics but it's not in policy discussions.

To Bill R.,

First, you quoted my 1/14, 12:30:52 PM post, "Standing at the marriage altar doesn't confer any special ability to experience, appreciate, and understand loss or grief. Suggesting that it does is a terrible insult to all single persons - single women in particular."

Your 1/14, 1:56:54 PM reply was, "I have to disagree with you. As a father, I don't think I could bare the loss of any of my sons. I have, at my age, had many losses to the reaper. So I know about loss. But any deaths I have survived through would be nothing if it were my sons."

Excuse me but what does that have to do with my comment? Before I was married, I served my time in Vietnam and lost a number of friends there. Are you suggesting that I experienced less grief for their deaths than I would have for a "son"??? Or are you suggesting that people can't have sons and daughters unless they appear at the marriage altar??? And even if I wasn't in battle, if those lost soldiers were close personal friends, would I have experienced less grief for them???

I'm 56 and, at my age, have had many losses to the reaper myself. I'm sorry ... but there's no way I equate "marital status" with the ability to understand loss and grief. The only person who knows the level of grief and loss suffered for relatives and friends of Condoleeza Rice is Rice herself. Barbara Boxer should keep in mind that its unwise to judge someone until you walk in their shoes.

Mind you, I'm not commenting on the rightness or wrongness of the war in Iraq nor on Bush's rightness or wrongness for getting us there. I'm only suggesting that Barbara Boxer showed her true colors as a callous unfeeling person to suggest she could understand grief better simply because she wore a wedding ring.

P.S. My own son is of draftable age, by the way. And whether I was "married" when he was born is nobody's business but my own ... and if he got drafted, sent to Iraq, and died there, my marital status would not be a factor in my ability to grieve for him. Suggesting otherwise is not only insensitive, it's just plain stupid.