'Scooter' Libby in deep pothole

"Even if Bush didn't issue one before the general election, he might be forced to promise that he wouldn't afterwards in order to keep if from being an issue"

Scenario: December 2008: A Democrat is now President-elect. GW Bush is scheduled to leave office in January. Does anyone honestly believe that he'd keep a promise NOT to pardon Libby that he made during the campaign?

Certainly not I.....

Libby is going down, that's clear. But Mr. James, isn't he bound to Bush and Cheney? What about Cheney's hand-written note naming the Pres. himself? They can't just deny they had any knowledge of all of this, it's already on paper marked as evidence.

Won't he pull them down with him? So much evidence has been uncovered in this trial that it wouldn't be hard to make a conspiracy to commit treason case against both Bush and Cheney.

The smart money would be wrong. Bush doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks, and he doesn't care how his actions affect his party. One of his last acts as president would be to pardon Libby if he is convicted. I would bet money on it.

I'm sure any promise by Bush would be accomapanied by a signing statement.

The lying liars in the Bush White house will keep lying and spinning in order to cover their butts in a feeble attempt to improve their lying legacy about the Iraq war fiasco.

Libby is in deep do do. Peter has put up on his web site every thing to told to FBI and others great read. Libby's lies have cought up to him and now the VP could get het very hard by hearings and may even have to leave office

GW Bush and Dick C. knew there was no WMD's in Iraq. There was too much money to pass up for Republicans by starting a "war" in Iraq. By the way, Congress declares war, not the president. We invaded Iraq and now we occupy it. Does anyone remember GB's dad was head of CIA? Good thing he didn't have to go to Vietnam.

If Libby is found to have committed perjury, he should be punished appropriately for it.

That is the only issue to discuss here.

Revolution draws closer when we play favorites with our system of law.

George W Bush is proven liar, who himself was rescued from the burden of his own criminal acts by the political power of his daddy, so there is no doubt that he, like his father G HW Bush will issue 11th hour pardons to any his criminal republican comrades who happen to "get brought to justice". He and his administation have been nothing but comtemptible and repugnant to the majority of honest moral citizens of the USA.

Given that it now clearly appears that (1) it was Cheney's office that dummied up the Niger uranium falsehood (raising the spectre of Iraq's alleged WMDs), and (2) Cheney's office (Feith) who seems to have bent intelligence inappropriately on the issue of Iraq-al Queda ties. Doesn't it seems clear to many that it was Cheney's office that ginned up the 2 major pre-war arguments for attacking Iraq? The President initiated a war under false pretenses. It has costed thousands of American lives (not to mention Iraqi lives, and will cost America over $1 TRILLION dollars when all is said and done. Why aren't the American people (especially the military families of more than 3100 dead service people) up in arms about the completely fabricated primary causis belli for the war?

God forbid that George Bush should issue a pardon for anyone. After all Bill Clinton only issued them to truly deserving drug dealers, theives, tax cheats, and con artists, including....

ALLEN, Verla Jean Everton, Arkansas False statements to agency of United States
ALTIERE, Nicholas M. Las Vegas, Nevada Importation of cocaine
ALTSCHUL, Bernice Ruth Sherman Village, California Conspiracy to commit money laundering
ANDERSON, Joe, Jr. Grove Hill, Alabama Income tax evasion
ANDERSON, William Sterling Spartanburg, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured financial institution, false statements to a federally insured financial institution, wire fraud
AZIZKHANI, Mansour T. Huntsville, Alabama Conspiracy and making false statements in bank loan applications
BABIN, Cleveland Victor, Jr. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Conspiracy to commit offense against the United States by utilizing the U.S. mail in furtherance of a scheme to defraud
BAGLEY, Chris Harmon Harrah, Oklahoma Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine
BANE, Scott Lynn Mahomet, Illinois Unlawful distribution of marijuana
BARBER, Thomas Cleveland Hampton, Florida Issuing worthless checks
BARGON, Peggy Ann Monticello, Illinois Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act
BHATKA, Tansukhlal Income tax evasion
BLAMPIED, David Roscoe Ketchum, Idaho Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
BORDERS, William Arthur, Jr. Washington, D.C. Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery
BOREL, Arthur David Little Rock, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BOREL, Douglas Charles Conway, Arkansas Odometer rollback
BRABHAM, George Thomas Austin, Texas Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank
BRASWELL, Almon Glenn Doravilla, Georgia Conspiracy to defraud government with respect to claims; perjury
BROWDER, Leonard Aiken, South Carolina Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud
BROWN, David Steven New York, New York Securities fraud and mail fraud
BURLESON, Delores Caroylene, aka Delores Cox Burleson Hanna, Oklahoma Possession of marijuana
BUSTAMANTE, John H. Cleveland, Ohio Wire fraud
CAMPBELL, Mary Louise Ruleville, Mississippi Aiding and abetting the unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps
CANDELARIA, Eloida False information in registering to vote
CAPILI, Dennis Sobrevinas Glendale, California Filing false statements in alien registration
CHAMBERS, Donna Denise Memphis, Tennessee Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine, possession with intent to distribute cocaine, use of a telephone to facilitate cocaine conspiracy
CHAPMAN, Douglas Eugene Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAPMAN, Ronald Keith Scott, Arkansas Bank fraud
CHAVEZ, Francisco Larios Santa Ana, California Aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens
CISNEROS, Henry G.
CLINTON, Roger
COHN, Stuart Harris New Haven, Connecticut 1. Illegal sale of gold options
2. Illegal sale of silver options

COOPER, David Marc Wapakoneta, Ohio Conspiracy to defraud the government
COX, Ernest Harley, Jr. Pine Bluff, Arkansas Conspiracy to defraud a federally insured savings and loan, misapplication of bank funds, false statements
CROSS, John F., Jr. Little Rock, Arkansas Embezzlement by a bank employee
CUNNINGHAM, Rickey Lee Amarillo, Texas Possession with intent to distribute marijuana
DE LABIO, Richard Anthony Baltimore, Maryland Mail fraud, aiding and abetting
DEUTCH, John Described in January 19, 2001 information
DOUGLAS, Richard False statements
DOWNE, Edward Reynolds Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and tax evasion; securities fraud
DUDLEY, Marvin Dean Omaha, Nebraska False statements
DUNCAN, Larry Lee Branson, Missouri Altering an automobile odometer
FAIN, Robert Clinton Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
FERNANDEZ, Marcos Arcenio Miami, Florida Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
FERROUILLET, Alvarez Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering, false statements
FUGAZY, William Denis Harrison, New York Perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding
GEORGE, Lloyd Reid Mail fraud
GOLDSTEIN, Louis Las Vegas, Nevada Possession of goods stolen from interstate shipment
GORDON, Rubye Lee Tampa, Florida Forgery of U.S. Treasury checks
GREEN, Pincus Switzerland
HAMNER, Robert Ivey Searcy, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
HANDLEY, Samuel Price Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HANDLEY, Woodie Randolph Hodgenville, Kentucky Conspiracy to steal government property
HARMON, Jay Houston Jonesboro, Arkansas 1. Conspiracy to import marijuana, conspiracy to possess marijuana with intent to distribute, importation of marijuana, possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
2. Conspiracy to import cocaine

HEMMINGSON, John Interstate transport of stolen property, money laundering
HERDLINGER, David S. St. Simons Island, Georgia Mail fraud
HUCKLEBERRY, Debi Rae Ogden, Utah Distribution of methamphetamine
JAMES, Donald Ray Fairfield Bay, Arkansas Mail fraud, wire fraud, and false statement to a bank to influence credit approval
JOBE, Stanley Pruet El Paso, Texas Conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and bank fraud
JOHNSON, Ruben H. Austin, Texas Theft and misapplication of bank funds by a bank officer or director
JONES, Linda Conspiracy to commit bank fraud and other offenses against the United States
LAKE, James Howard Illegal corporate campaign contributions, wire fraud
LEWIS, June Louise Lowellville, Ohio Embezzlement by a bank employee
LEWIS, Salim Bonnor Short Hills, New Jersey Securities fraud, record keeping violations, margin violations
LODWICK, John Leighton Excelsior Springs, Missouri Income tax evasion
LOPEZ, Hildebrando San Isidro, Texas Distribution of cocaine
LUACES, Jose Julio Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Possession of an unregistered firearm
MANESS, James Timothy Conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance
MANNING, James Lowell Little Rock, Arkansas Aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate tax return
MARTIN, John Robert Gulf Breeze, Florida Income tax evasion
MARTINEZ, Frank Ayala Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
MARTINEZ, Silvia Leticia Beltran Elgin, Texas Conspiracy to supply false documents to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
McCORMICK, John Francis Dedham, Massachusetts Racketeering conspiracy, racketeering, and violation of the Hobbs act
McDOUGAL, Susan H.
MECHANIC, Howard Lawrence 1. Violating the Civil Disobedience Act of 1968
2. Failure to appear

3. Making false statement in acquiring a passport

MITCHELL, Brook K., Sr. Conspiracy to illegally obtain USDA subsidy payments, false statements to USDA, and false entries on USDA forms
MORGAN, Charles Wilfred, III Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
MORISON, Samuel Loring Crofton, Maryland Willful transmission of defense information, unauthorized possession and retention of defense information, theft of government property
NAZZARO, Richard Anthony Winchester, Massachusetts Perjury and conspiracy to commit mail fraud
NOSENKO, Charlene Ann Phoenix, Arizona Conspiracy to defraud the United States, and influencing or injuring an officer or juror generally
OBERMEIER, Vernon Raymond Belleville, Illinois Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, distribution of cocaine, and using a communications facility to facilitate distribution of cocaine
OGALDE, Miguelina Glendale, California Conspiracy to import cocaine
OWEN, David C. Olathe, Kansas Filing a false tax return
PALMER, Robert W. Little Rock, Arkansas Conspiracy to make false statements
PERHOSKY, Kelli Anne Bridgeville, Pennsylvania Conspiracy to commit mail fraud
PEZZOPANE, Richard H. Palo Heights, Illinois Conspiracy to commit racketeering, and mail fraud
PHILLIPS, Orville Rex Waco, Texas Unlawful structure of a financial transaction
POLING, Vinson Stewart, Jr. Baldwin, Maryland Making a false bank entry, and aiding and abetting
PROUSE, Norman Lyle Conyers, Georgia Operating or directing the operation of a common carrier while under the influence of alcohol
PRUITT, Willie H. H., Jr. Port Richey, Florida Absent without official leave
PURSLEY, Danny Martin, Sr. Goodlettsville, Tennessee Aiding and abetting the conduct of an illegal gambling business, and obstruction of state laws to facilitate illegal gambling
RAVENEL, Charles D. Charleston, South Carolina Conspiracy to defraud the United States
RAY, William Clyde Altus, Oklahoma Fraud using a telephone
REGALADO, Alfredo Luna Pharr, Texas Failure to report the transportation of currency in excess of $10,000 into the United States
RICAFORT, Ildefonso Reynes Houston, Texas Submission of false claims to Veterans Administration
RICH, Marc Switzerland
RIDDLE, Howard Winfield Mt. Crested Butte, Colorado Violation of the Lacey Act (receipt of illegally imported animal skins)
RILEY, Richard Wilson, Jr. Possession of cocaine with intent to distribute
ROBBINS, Samuel Lee Cedar Park, Texas Misprision of a felony
RODRIGUEZ, Joel Gonzales Houston, Texas Theft of mail by a postal employee
ROGERS, Michael James McAllen, Texas Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana
ROSS, Anna Louise Lubbock, Texas Distribution of cocaine
RUST, Gerald Glen Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUST, Jerri Ann Avery, Texas False declarations before grand jury
RUTHERFORD, Bettye June Albuquerque, New Mexico Possession of marijuana with intent to distribute
SANDS, Gregory Lee Sioux Falls, South Dakota Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SCHWIMMER, Adolph Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to export arms and ammunition to a foreign country and related charges
SERETTI, Albert A., Jr. McKees Rocks, Pennyslvania Conspiracy and wire fraud
SHAW, Patricia Campbell Hearst Wilton, Connecticut Armed bank robbery and using a firearm during a felony
SMITH, Dennis Joseph Redby, Minnesota 1. Unauthorized absence
2. Failure to obey off-limits instructions

3. Unauthorized absence

SMITH, Gerald Owen Florence, Mississippi Armed bank robbery
SMITH, Stephen A.
SPEAKE, Jimmie Lee Breckenridge, Texas Conspiracy to possess and utter counterfeit $20 Federal Reserve notes
STEWART, Charles Bernard Sparta, Georgia Illegally destroying U.S. Mail
STEWART-ROLLINS, Marlena Francisca Euclid, Ohio Conspiracy to distribute cocaine
SYMINGTON, John Fife, III
TANNEHILL, Richard Lee Reno, Nevada Conspiracy and restraint of trade
TENAGLIA, Nicholas C. Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania Receipt of illegal payments under the Medicare program
THOMAS, Gary Allen Lancaster, Texas Theft of mail by postal employee
TODD, Larry Weldon Gardendale, Texas Conspiracy to commit an offense against the U.S. in violation of the Lacey Act and the Airborne Hunting Act
TREVINO, Olga C. Converse, Texas Misapplication by a bank employee
VAMVOUKLIS, Ignatious Exeter, New Hampshire Possession of cocaine
VAN DE WEERD, Patricia A. Tomahawk, Wisconsin Theft by a U.S. Postal employee
WADE, Christopher V.
WARMATH, Bill Wayne Walls, Mississippi Obstruction of correspondence
WATSON, Jack Kenneth Oakridge, Oregon Making false statements of material facts to the U.S. Forest Service
WEBB, Donna Lynn Panama City, Florida False entry in savings and loan record by employee
WELLS, Donald William Phenix City, Alabama Possession of an unregistered firearm
WENDT, Robert H. Kirkwood, Missouri Conspiracy to effectuate the escape of a federal prisoner
WILLIAMS, Jack L. Making false statements to federal agents
WILLIAMS, Kevin Arthur Omaha, Nebraska Conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute crack cocaine
WILLIAMS, Robert Michael Davison, Michigan Conspiracy to transport in foreign commerce securities obtained by fraud
WILSON, Jimmie Lee Helena, Arkansas Converting property mortgaged or pledged to a farm credit agency, and converting public money to personal use
WINGATE, Thelma Louise Sale City, Georgia Mail fraud
WOOD, Mitchell Couey Sherwood, Arkansas Conspiracy to possess and to distribute cocaine
WOOD, Warren Stannard Las Vegas, Nevada Conspiracy to defraud the United States by filing a false document with the Securities and Exchange Commission
WORTHEY, Dewey Conway, Arkansas Medicaid fraud
YALE, Rick Allen Belleville, Illinois Bank fraud
YASAK, Joseph A. Chicago, Illinois Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury
YINGLING, William Stanley Interstate transportation of stolen vehicle
YOUNG, Phillip David Little Rock, Arkansas Interstate transportation and sale of fish and wildlife

I liked your take on the trial. But you say Clinton was impeached for perjury ... shouldn't that be alleged perjury? He was acquitted after all, and never proven to have lied under oath. If Libby is convicted, the cases will not be parallel.

"Even if Bush didn't issue one before the general election, he might be forced to promise that he wouldn't afterwards in order to keep if from being an issue"

Huh? If there's one thing I learned from the leak case it's that Bush doesn't need to say a word about anything if he doesn't want to - no matter how politically absurd his silence.

I think Bush will pardon Libby. Sooner, rather than later (if that is possible). Bush is nothing if not stubborn and loyal - he seems to value those qualities rather excessively. To pardon a dedicated public servant (and spare him the indignities of lengthly appeals) is an action right out of the GWB playbook.

The handy thing is, the sooner Scooter (heh) is reprieved, the less likely he'll flip! Cheney will take the truth to his grave, and the Bush legacy will be spared further tarnish (on this issue, that is).

"a Bush pardon of Libby would, at the very least, send quite the mixed message."

How's that? It'd be the usual justice-for-some plan that the federal government under the Clinton and Bush regime has followed. It's not like Bush put Sandy Berger in the electric chair. I bet they're BOTH pardoned.

There's always one out there.This time it's little timmy tucker.The issue is not Bill Clinton.

The issue is your President and his admin.conspired to out a covert CIA agent,to cover up their lies about their war.

End of story.

Note well : A President can arguably not pardon cases related to his impeachment. Article II, Section 2, clause 1

The President shall ... have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Gee Tim,

I didn't see anybody on the pardon list that was responsible for the incredible death and destruction that have been visited on the IRAQI and AMERICAN people as a result of massive incompetence and hand-crafted intel. The biggest difference to me is that when Bill Clinton was President Only HE was getting the BJ, But, now Bush is president we're all getting screwed. That's democracy! And to all the people that voted for that clown... You've got the government you deserve.

Tim no one cares about who Clinton pardoned. Bush is the President now if he gives Libby or anyone else in this case a break. The Republicans will now see power again for a very long time YEARS

Tim, Clinton (had a sexual liasion) and lied about it, which is adultery. Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libby outed a CIA agent for political gain, which is treason. which is a worse offense? Libby will be convicted of lying, but will get pardoned.

Something is wrong with the world.

Even while attempting to offer a balanced critique, Frank James falls for the White House fiction. James wrote

"Wilson had become something of the White House's Moby Dick, an obsession, after he said publicly it was Cheney's office that had sent him on a fact-finding mission to Niger...
"Cheney and Libby were outraged because, as they saw it, Wilson was telling tales, the same thing he had accused them of.
"They hadn't sent him to Africa. It was someone in the CIA, his wife. At least that's the narrative they wanted people to believe. They had to get their side out. ..."

Other than the remark about Cheney and Libby being outraged, none of this is true. This not mere semantic deconstruction--it is a biography of spin, a manual to White House myth creation.

A simple review of the record of Wilson's "public" comments reveals that he never said that Cheney's office "sent him to Africa". He has always maintained that the Vice President asked the CIA to investigate the issue and the CIA did just that by selecting Wilson to go to Africa. One has to be either illiterate or a Republican political operative to believe that such a statement means the same as "Cheney sent me to Africa".

The flip side of this myth is equally inventive. Witness accounts of the process of Wilson's selection clearly point out that his wife was not employed by the unit that was responsible for Wilson's trip. Her involvement in the matter was limited to two actions: after Wilson was nominated, Plame was asked to confirm his credentials, and, at the official briefing on the planned trip, Plame was asked by her superiors to introduce Wilson. Neither of these actions constitutes "sending" Wilson to Africa.

The probability that the White House did not know this is zero. Wilson's credentials for the position are unquestionable--he is a high-ranking diplomat with experience and connections in both parts of the world (Niger and Iraq), and a fluent speaker of French. His findings had been confirmed and enhanced by reports from other investigators both before and after Wilson's trip. Yet, Cheney's office chose to dismiss the investigation as a "junket" because the findings undermined the credibility of their assertions.

Cheney and Libby were not presenting "their side of the story". They fabricated disinformation to protect their interests. We may never know if they technically broke the law while doing so--we may have our opinions, but these are based on incomplete and contradictory information. But Libby was caught in a lie--not about Joseph Wilson, but about his own actions. This is why he is on trial and this is why he finds himself in a "deep pothole".

Thanks for the list of Clinton's pardons, Tim. I can't to this day understand why he gave those pardons, though I'm sure it was to fulfill promises made in exchange for campaign support. I think the Presidential pardons are a mockery to the justice system and should be abolished. Not one President has had the balls to pardon Leonard Peltier, a case that does truly deserve study.

Too bad the Libby trial hasn't gotten the public interest as it should, but then it's just not as easy to understand as a stained blue dress, is it? Clinton's trial highlighted the stupidity level of this country for the whole world to see.

Regarding Pardons -

The scariest scenario I've heard is: (1) Prior to the swearing in of the new President in 2009 Bush pardons Cheney and everybody else who may have committed crimes in his administration vis-a-vis the war, torture, eavesdropping, ect., (2) Bush resigns as President, Cheney takes his place, (3) Cheney pardons Bush of anything he may have done during his presidency in violation of the law. Everybody is off scott free - except, of course for those who've died in Iraq because of the cynical mendacity of Cheney and Co. (as Bush truly has just been along for the ride these last 6 plus years . . . . )

To Timmy Tucker:
How is Bill Clinton responsible for the criminal actions of the Bush White House? Does your obsession with Clinton absolve all Republicans of wrong-doing?

And we are going to have a match on criminal connections, did the Clinton White House have anyone on the payroll who ended up in jail on child porn or chronic shoplifting charges? Will Bush pardon those staffers too?

And if we are going to look at pardon lists, why don't you posts the ones from the two Clinton's predecessors, both Republicans? Is Clinton responsible for them too?

DD No blue dress but a hell of allot to convict. Everyone up his defense team could not prove wrong. Yes I have been watching. He was blistered by Tim R big time. Bottom line here he is a dead man walking but who will he take with him.

The pathological liars in this admn get what they deserve. Libby is going down hard and God has a way of rewarding people for their actions. A bunch of neocons start a war entirely on false premises and continue to lie about it. One lie after another and the only way you can support the previous lie is by telling a bigger lie.
It catches up with you at some point in time.
Oh yeah there is a God

Bush Cheney could have saved the American people a lot of money by just coming clean up front with their authorization of Libby's actions but only honorable people would do that. I'm sure the pardon has already been promised. If Cheney is called to the stand he'll just say, "I had the president de-clasify her position, gave it to Libby to send out in order to punish her husband for exposing us, so what"? It's within our rights in our "fight against terror"

Posted by: Tim Tucker | Feb 9, 2007 9:51:01 AM

Nice bit a work there Tim. Take a long time? Guess what?...everybody is tired of your tit for tat politics. I could waste my time doing the same but you don't get it do you? When you have something constructive to say or an answer on how to get us out of the biggest blunder in history (Iraq), then maybe we'll listen, until then give my regards to Mr. Limpbag!

Bush Cheney could have saved the American people a lot of money by just coming clean up front with their authorization of Libby's actions but only honorable people would do that. I'm sure the pardon has already been promised. If Cheney is called to the stand he'll just say, "I had the president de-clasify her position, gave it to Libby to send out in order to punish her husband for exposing us, so what"? It's within our rights in our "fight against terror"

Its amazing after reading all of these statements no one was outraged at the fact that we are comparing the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of people and the murder of 3,100 of our own, to a president AGREEING to be placed under oath and quesitoned about his sexual affiars. If i recall corretcly, GW and Cheney have admitted serveral times that the two top offices are above the law.

Scooter will get pardoned. The lawyers are negotiating the deal this weekend. Main terms:

-Scooter gets pardoned
-Cheney doesn't have to testify in court (except possible written affidavits to be negotiated w/Fitzgerald)
-Fitzgerald doesn't pursue Cheney, based on Scooter's testimony to date
-Scooter's family and financial situation get taken care of by Republican powers that be
-Scooter doesn't write book

edgetools

edgetools Cheney will face Congress if he cuts and runs from them Say BYE BYE VP. No more will they be able to get away with lies.

Dear Tim,
Wow, if you go to Wikipedia, you can find that Ford pardoned Nixon, the pardon list of Bush 41 and this partial list of your love, Bush 43:
The following is a partial list of people pardoned by George W. Bush. As of December 21, 2006, President George W. Bush had issued 113 presidential pardons to people who have served their entire sentence, and has commuted in addition the sentences of three people. [1]

This list is a subset of the list of people pardoned by a United States president. The order is alphabetical, the year is the date of conviction.

Charles James Allen (1979 conspiracy to defraud the United States. A former federal employee, Allen was convicted for approving payments to James Hilles Associates Inc., a Virginia firm, for office supplies that were never delivered. In return, Allen received car parts, a radio, a freezer and other gifts from the firm)
Alan Dale Austin (1987 misapplication of mortgage funds)
William Sidney Baldwin Sr. (1981 conspiracy to possess marijuana)
Timothy Evans Barfield (1989 aiding and abetting false statements on a Small Business Administration loan application)
Bruce Louis Bartos (1987 transportation of a machine gun in foreign commerce)
David Thomas Billmyer (1978 military conviction for making a false claim)
Clyde Philip Boudreaux (1975 military conviction for borrowing money from enlisted men, accepting a noninterest-bearing loan from a government contractor and signing and swearing to a false affidavit)
Marie Georgette Ginette Briere (1982 possession of cocaine with intent to distribute)
Carl E. Cantrell (1967 moonshining)
Charles Winston Carter (1964 conspiracy to steal government property)
Meredith Elizabeth Casares (1989 embezzlement of US Postal Service funds)
Randall Leece Deal Clayton (1960 and 1964 liquor laws)
Charles Russell Cooper (1959 bootlegging)
Dale C. Critz, Jr. (1989 making a false statement)
William Charles Davis (1983 income tax evasion)
William Henry Eagle (1972 moonshining)
Mark Alan Eberwine (1985 conspiracy to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, and obstructing the assessment of taxes by the Internal Revenue Service and making false declarations to the grand jury)
Robert Carter Eversole (1984 theft)
Gerald Douglas Ficke (1992 money laundering)
Harper James Finucan (1980 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)
Anthony Americo Franchi (1983 tax evasion)
Colin Earl Francis (1993 accepting a kickback of about $9,000 for helping a vendor for United Technologies Corp.'s Sikorsky Aircraft division, where Francis worked at the time, land a contract)
Kenneth Clifford Foner (1991 bank fraud)
Victoria Diane Frost (1994 conspiracy to possess)
William Grover Frye (1968 AWOL and 1973 sale of stolen car)
Joseph Daniel Gavin (1979 military insubordination, drunkenness, threats, and other offenses)
George Glenn (1956 accepting $50 bribe while in military)
Samuel Wattie Guerry (1984 food stamp fraud)
Charles E. Hamilton (1989 mail fraud)
Stanley Bernard Hamilton 1990 (money order fraud)
Brianna Lea Haney (1991 failure to report monetary instruments)
George Thomas Harley (1984 aiding and abetting the distribution of cocaine)
David Custer Heaston (1988 false statement)
Melodie Jean Hebert (1984 defrauding U.S. with false claims)
Patricia Ann Hultman (1985 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute and to distribute cocaine and other controlled substances)
Bobby Frank Kay Sr. (1959 moonshining)
James Ernest Kinard, Jr. (1984 fraudulent firearms dealer records)
Richard Ardell Krueger (1979 mail fraud and 1980 and false statement on a loan application)
Devin Timothy Kruse (1979 AWOL from Coast Guard)
Margaret Ann Leggett (1981 false claims)
Raul Marin (1982 failure to appear in court)
Melvin L. McKee (1982 conspiracy to make false statements on a loan application)
Charles McKinley, (1950 moonshining)
Michael Mark McLaughlin (1983 mail fraud and conspiracy)
Michael Robert Moelter (1988 illegal gambling business)
Billie Curtis Moore (1977 income tax evasion)
Richard Arthur Morse (1963 transportation of a stolen vehicle)
Kenneth Lynn Norris (1993 unlawful disposal of hazardous waste)
Joseph Mathew Novak (1994 possession and transfer of an illegal weapon)
Eric William Olson (1984 military conviction for conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute, possession with intent to distribute, possession, and use of hashish)
Donald Lee Pendergrass (1964 armed bank robbery)
Fred Dale Pitzer (1976 transportation of falsely made securities)
Charles Blurford Power (1948 transportation of a stolen vehicle)
Gerard Murphy Rayne (1972 car theft)
James Edward Reed (1975 marijuana possession with intent to distribute)
Thomas R. Reece (1969 violating the Internal Revenue Code pertaining to alcohol)
Cecil John Rhodes (1981 false statement on a loan application)
John Louis Ribando (1976 and 1978 marijuana dealing)
Larry Gene Ross (1989 making false statements in a bank loan application)
Ernest Rudnet (1992 conspiracy to file false tax returns)
Gary L. Saltzburg (1995 theft of government property)
John Gregory Schillace (1988 conspiracy to possess cocaine for distribution)
Russell Don Sell (1995 aiding and abetting a false statement on a loan application)
James Leon Adams Simpsonville (1965 selling firearms to out of state residents and falsifying firearms records)
Scott LaVerne Sparks (1989 theft of government property)
Wendy St. Charles (1984 conspiracy to trade narcotics and cocaine distribution)
David Lloyd St. Croix (1989 disposal of stolen explosives)
Jearld David Swanner (1991 making false statements in a bank loan application)
James Walter Taylor (1991 bank fraud)
Johnson Heyward Tisdale (1994 food stamp fraud)
Edward Rodriguez Trevino, Jr. (1997 theft, convicted in military court)
Janet Theone Upton (1975 mail fraud)
Jerry Dean Walker (1989 cocaine distribution)
Joseph William Warner (1995 arson on an Indian reservation)
Jimmy Lee Williams (1995 false statements on a loan application)
Tony Dale Ashworth Winnsboro (1989 unlawful transfer of a firearm)
Two commutations of sentence were granted on May 20, 2004. They were granted to:

Geraldine Gordon (1989 distribution of phencyclidine) (sentenced to 20 years plus 10 years supervised release; sentence commuted after 15 years, term of supervised release left intact)
Bobby Mac Berry (1997 conspiracy to manufacture and possess with intent to distribute marijuana, money laundering) (sentenced to 9 years imprisonment plus 5 years supervised release; sentence reduced to 6 and a half years, terms of supervised release left intact)
A commutation of sentence was granted on December 21, 2006 to:

Phillip Anthony Emmert (1992 conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine) (sentenced to 21 years and 10 months plus 5 years supervised release; sentence reduced Feb. 21, 1996; sentence commuted to 15 years and 1 month plus 5 years supervised release)
AND WHAT REALLY MAKES ME MAD, the current dems don't go after the throat like the reps have for the last 6 years. How stupid is Pelosi and company? Put Impeachnment back on the table. Don't listen to thes roveites, just steamroll the treason bastards.

Does anyone recall that Libbey was the attorney for Mark Rich, the person that the republicans have criticized Bill Clinton for pardoning at the end of his presidency?

For the list of pardoned people to mean anything, there has to be context. Most of the people pardoned were convicted many years ago, have served their sentences and turned their lives around, and were not political cronies. They apply for pardons because of personal reasons, not because they are owed political debts.

In Libby's case and that of other cronies, the motivation is a little more suspect.

2/9/07 RE: Libby trial and Russert

Russert's reaction upon learning that Libby was to be indicted: "what a great story; it's just like Christman Eve"

All that Russert and most journalists look for is the next great story which they can embellish and get lots of credit for telling it like it isn 't. While composing a fascinating report, journalists are misleading their readers. None of them believe in reporting facts and letting the readers draw their own conclusion. They are not reporters; they are novelists.

Sincerely

R M Kraus
Akron Ohio

Oh God (and I mean the real God - not some Right Wing, Vindictive God) - here they go again.

The above-referenced posting by Tim Tucker comparing Clinton's legacy (i.e. - Presidential Pardons) to a potential pardon of Scooter doesn't even come close. Mr. Tucker, we are talking about treason and high crimes against the United States committed by the SAME men who would issue the pardon.

You people are amazing. When the Administration YOU elected turns out to be the second most corrupt one in the past 100 years (the last one being a Republican Administration who also violated the Constitution, lied about it, and then got their guy pardoned - talk about hypocracy), you, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh utilize your same old invalid, stale Conservative tactic you fallen back on for years - argument ad hominem; just like a lawyer without a case.

When you have no case, abuse the witness.

Bush & Cheney are toast. Long live Bill Clinton!

Lance M. Haley

P.S. Go take a course in Logic - it will teach you the concepts of valid, logical argumentation.

Tim ... Thanks for the reminder of Clinton's pardons. Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. I have no doubt that Bush will pardon Libby after conviction. My only hope is that we can at least find a time to punish Bush's Republican associates at the polls as a result.

But on the topic of "not forgetting history" there is another way we might do that.

I'd really like to vote for a qualified woman for President. Nancy Pelosi seems to be doing a great job as Speaker, for example. But I have to agree that Clinton's pardons stink of textbook political payoffs after he thought he was beyond reach.

Ms. Clinton has so far been to be only too willing to sign any bargain with the devil necessary to grab power. Her refusal to confront her own voting record on Iraq is exhibit number one. If anyone can "reach" Mr. Clinton for the miscarriage of justice represented by his pardons, it's Ms. Clinton. It's reason enough for me to refuse to support her.

While we're documenting pardons, please consider Daddy Bush's "greatest hits," which includes his own collection of "drug dealers, thieves," etc. as well as gun smugglers, draft dodgers, and terrorists (see the guy who attacked a Polish ship in Miami with a bazooka!) Note that several of these were involved with Iran-Contra, and their pardons directly prevented them from implicating Herr Bush during their pending trials.

Pardons

* Joe llen Deckert (1979 Misprision of felony (relating to illegal firearms sales))
* Donald Alvin Dibble III (1978 Illegal possession of firearm with obliterated serial number)
* Leo Friedman (1969 Mail embezzlement)
* Armand Hammer (1976 Making campaign contribution in name of another (misdemeanor))
* Charles Arnold Jacobs (1979 Submission of false income tax return)
* Mary Lou Peet (1978 Fraudulent transfer of property in contemplation of bankruptcy)
* Robert Gary Rice (1973 Submitting false statements to Federal Housing Administration)
* Billy Wayne Rodgers (1973 Transporting firearm in foreign commerce, Insubordination in violation of Article 91, Uniform Code of Military Justice)
* Raymond Joseph Shovelski (1974 Conspiracy to accept kickbacks on Government contracts)
* Orlando Bosch
1. (1968 convicted for taking part in a bazooka attack on a Havana-bound Polish freighter docked at the Port of Miami)[1]
2. (1974 violating parole)
* Dorothy Christina Damush (1982 Conspiracy to transport stolen goods in interstate commerce)
* David Feld (1980 Interference with agent of National Labor Relations Board (misdemeanor))
* Mark Christopher Felling (1980 Theft of mail by postal employee)
* Howard William Fitzsimmons (1974 Embezzlement of Government property)
* Garth Stuart Hancock (1959 Conspiracy to violate Commodity Credit Regulations)
* Charles Walker Harrison (1966 Unlawful possession of narcotics without having paid transfer tax)
* Geary Travis Holstead (1978 Theft of mail by postal employee)
* Michael Dennis Larsen (1977 Bank embezzlement)
* Mark Allen Nelson (1975 Involuntary manslaughter in violation of Article 119, UCMJ)
* Robert Anthony Pagnanelli (1980 Conspiracy to defraud United States and mail fraud)
* William George Spurlock (1953 Interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicle)
* Harold Bennett Stewart (1963 Theft of Government property)
* Bernice Lena Telgemeier (1980 Attempted income tax evasion)
* Julius Henry Telgemeier (1980 Attempted income tax evasion)
* William Newton Tunnell, Jr. (1977 Bank embezzlement)
* Robert Lee Warner (1979 Obstruction of mail)
* James Alexander Womack (1978 Possession of stolen mail)
* Joseph Berger (1959 Transporting gambling devices within a special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States)
* Miles Oakley Bidwell (1962 Filing false statement)
* Edward Meredith Dawsey (1981 Making false statements to the Office of Workmen's Compensation Programs)
* Leonard Gilmor (1975 Mail fraud and aiding and abetting)
* Lewis Isador Goltz (1976 Sale of firearms to out-of-state resident, failure to register firearms, failure to make appropriate entry in firearm acquisition disposition records)
* Wayne Stanley LaTour (1980 Dealing in firearms without a license)
* Thomas Leoutsakos (1968 Sale of methamphetamine (misdemeanor))
* Mary Mahoney Longwell (1976 Embezzlement of bank funds)
* Barbara Cecil Livenia Chapman Portwood (1962 Forgery)
* Laurie Virginia Rossetti (1976 Engaging in the conduct of an illegal gambling business)
* Myra Soble (1957 Conspiracy to receive and obtain national defense information and transmit same to foreign government)
* Rudolph Hartsel Young (1960 Embezzlement of postal funds and falsification of postal records)
* Caspar W. Weinberger (1988 Several counts of perjury, See Iran-Contra Affair)
* Elliott Abrams (1988 Two counts of unlawfully withholding information. See Iran-Contra Affair)
* Duane R. Clarridge (1991 Seven counts of perjury and false statements, See Iran-Contra Affair)
* Alan D. Fiers (1991 Two misdemeanor counts of withholding information from the Congress, See Iran-Contra Affair)
* Clair George
1. (1991 Ten counts of perjury, false statements and obstruction)
2. (1992 two felony charges of false statements and perjury before Congress — see Iran-Contra Affair)
* Robert C. McFarlane (1988 See Iran-Contra Affair)
* Joseph Bear, Jr. (1964 Burglary on Indian Reservation)
* Thomas Burley Berry (1980 Detaining and destroying mail)
* Robert William Dailey, Sr. (1943 Failure to report for induction into the military in violation of the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940)
* Paul Karsten Fauteck
1. (1950 Interstate transportation of stolen motor vehicle)
2. (1955 Conspiracy to smuggle alien into United States and attempting to conceal alien)
3. (1955 Transporting false securities in interstate commerce)
4. (1954 Absent without leave from Army and wrongful disposition of government property)
5. (1955 Absent without leave)
* Dale Leonard Fix (1944 Failure to report for military duty in violation of Selective Service Act of 1940)
* Francene Geiger (1980 Bank embezzlement)
* Ivan Leon Gentry (1946 Transporting stolen motor vehicle in interstate commerce)
* Joseph Gordon Haynie, Jr. (1973 Misapplication of bank funds)
* Henry Levin (1973 Violation of Customs regulations)
* Guillermo Medrano Moreno
1. (1961 Failure to register as narcotics user)
2. (1967 Illegal importation and sale of heroin)
* Frank T. Passini, III (1978 Possession and sale of 5,000 grams of marijuana and wrongful possession of 50 grams of marijuana in violation of Article 134, Uniform Code of Military Justice)
* Donald Rightmire (1984 Misprision of a felony)
* Edwin Roberts (1947 Carrying on the business of a distiller, possessing an unregistered whiskey still, and making and fermenting mash fit for distillation)
* Patrick James Sheehan (1981 Misapplication of bank funds)
* Hildred Earl Spates (1971 Theft of government property)
* Alfredo Encinas Villarreal (1971 Theft of mail by postal employee)
* Jack Alvin Walker (1956 Failure to report for military duty in violation of Selective Service Act of 1950)
* Carl Frank Westminster, Jr. (1977 Possession, sale, and transfer of controlled substance in violation of Article 92, Uniform Code of Military Justice)
* Robert Edward Leigh Barnhill (1980 Bid rigging in violation of Sherman Antitrust Act)
* George Edward Clements, III (1987 Knowingly making false declarations before grand jury)
* Edwin L. Cox, Jr. (1988 Bank fraud)
* Lloyd Earl Davis (1981 Making false entries in bank records)
* James Lewis Donawho (1979 Making false statement to government agency)
* John Stinson Howell, III (1979 Income tax evasion)
* Charles Elvin Huffman (1955 Larceny on a government reservation)
* Thomas Arthur Kardashian (1974 Offering gratuities to public officials)
* Frederick Irwin Lorber (1962 Obtaining marijuana without paying transfer tax)
* Richard Norris Ware (1973 Aiding and abetting bank embezzlement (misdemeanor))
* Albert Teyechea Williams (1980 Conspiracy to misapply bank funds)
* Clyde Henry Umphenour, Jr. (1956 & 1961 Two counts Interstate transportation of forged securities)

Commutations

* Aslam P. Adam (1985 Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute heroin, importation of heroin, and use of mail in committing felony)
* Joseph Occhipinti (1991 Conspiracy to violate civil rights, deprivation of rights under color of law (misdemeanor), and making false statement)
* Douglas Bruce Fenimore (1981 Receiving and concealing stolen property, interstate transportation of stolen property, and bank robbery)

I think a better defense strategy would be to claim entrapment: Plame and her employer Brewster Jennings weren't secret in the first place. So there was no reason to investigate except to get Rove, Cheney, and Bush.

Defense lawyers should present evidence about public knowledge of Plame, Brewster Jennings, and their relationship.

I donj't know how much of the trial you have been watching. Maybe only the prosecutor's performance. From what I've been reading the "real show" has been when witness after witness has had to retract or correct their testimony. I think the Defense is doing an excellent job, and I expect to see a total acquittal. The prosecution has rested and there is, in my opinion, an awful lot of "reasonable doubt."

The bigger story from this trail should be how did Cheney not get indicted?

If Libby gets pinned with this I wonder if he'll cut a deal with prosecuters and squeal on Cheney?

We can only hope so.

Tim....I see enough people took the time to track down the pardons for you from the republicans. So....What did you get accomplished?
When your ready to deal with the issue at hand instead of tit for tat, let me know and we can discuss what the thread was about. These kind of politics have gotten very old...try something new!

"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.
Place this comment in the archives along with..."I will pattern the success of Iraq after the success of Afganistan" What a joke...

You want to see why America is so angry don't just post watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v-fLQee6ebQH4

Your long list of Clintons parduns are so impressive...why doesn't Bush the pardun Ramos and Campeaon for doing their job. Or is parduning two average guys just too much?

While composing a fascinating report, journalists are misleading their readers. None of them believe in reporting facts and letting the readers draw their own conclusion. They are not reporters; they are novelists.

Posted by: Robert M Kraus Sr | Feb 9, 2007 10:57:33 AM

While there have been a couple of fabricators in recent years including the likes of Jayson Blair and Stephen Glass, it's not fair to lump all journalists under the same blanket.

Claiming that all journalists are novelists because of a couple people like Blair and Glass is like saying that all Congressmen are homosexual pedophiles because of Mark Foley.

Just because one bad apple can infiltrate an organization doesn't mean the whole tree must be tainted.

Sorry they pulled the You Tube down wonder why. It was everypersons statement about the leak. They even had the President saying anyone will be fired if I find out they lied

Same old story. Anything that goes wrong with Bush, Republicans, or conservatives, you start blaming Clinton, Carter, liberals etc.

Whatever happened to one of the cornerstones of conservatives; You are responsible for your own actions?

Republicans held a majority accross the board for 6 years, & what do you have to show Americans for it?

Apperently, among Republicans, that ideal of responsibility no longer exists.

GW The most sucessfull Pres. the US has ever had.

As far as the top 1% is concerned.

What worm ate holes in the brains of the next 49%

Wake up America

foriegn held debt : UP, UP, UP.

Exxon, Halb. profit : UP, UP, UP.

Education in US a shambles unless U R top 1 %

A balanced budget from Bush. Dont insult me.

"Defense lawyers should present evidence about public knowledge of Plame, Brewster Jennings, and their relationship."

Gee...why do you suppose they didn't think of that? Libby must have really bad lawyers then huh...?

I think Casey's got it right. They'll pardon Libby immediately because they simply don't care if we think they're crooked. We know they are.

The list of Clinton pardons is impressive, but I heard he's not president anymore. Without more information, I don't know if those people really should have been pardoned or wether that was a Clinton fundraising tool similar to the Republican "legislation sale" we've had since 2000.

No matter what his Defense Team does Libby is cought and gone. His own words sunk him

No one has been charged or convicted with "outting" Plame. Libby stands on trial for perjury - lying under oath. Same thing Martha Steward went to jail for (not SEC fraud). Clinton was brought up on impeach charges for perjury, not the act of what he did in the oval office. Ergo, if Libby is found guilty and goes to jail (high probability) he has NOTHING to due with the outting case and no tie (or deal) to convict Bush/Cheney.

Second. You may not like the war in Iraq, but is legal - both in the US and UN (resolution 1442 which allowed the use of force).

Third, US oil companies control about 13% of world oil. The US imports around 20% of its oil use. 80% of that comes from Venezuala (ergo, give up the blood for oil thing).

Fourth, there will be no impeachment of Bush/Cheney. Nor any "war crime" tribunals. Cry all you want - won't happen.

Fifth, I did vote for Bush (twice) and am very proud. And no, I don't plan to join the army. Same reason I don't want to be a baker. Harp and moan all you like. Call names. I'm pretty happy with things. By all the hate from the left out there, their lives must be pretty bad. Oh well.

Dale could you repost your link, there seems to be an error in the URL.

I think it’s extremely comical how Bush and Cheney supporters continue to come to this administrations defense. This administration has been and in my opinion will continue to be a nightmare for the Republican Party and conservative views. They are doing more to damage the integrity of the Party than Nixon ever did. Pick up the Jan 22 issue of Newsweek some stats : 9 of 10 Iraqis (note Sunni and Shia not Kurd) see the US as an occupying force: 70% of elementary school kids are no longer attending classes; 2 million middle class citizens live out side Iraq.

Do you think this is the cradle of the next generation of Jihadist? The Republican Party and America will pay for this administrations failures, lies and economic blunders for years to come.

How about if Bush pardons LIBBY and CLINTON both? Or at least one high-profile Democrat with a conviction of some sort, hopefully my favorite politician of all-time James "Beam Me Up" Traficant, or at least Traficant's wig.
(a French farce?)

I did vote for Bush (twice) and am very proud.And no,I don't plan to join the Army.

Posted by Troy Feb 9,2007 1:09:08 PM

Gee Troy,I guess that makes you a "Chickenhawk".
No wonder you voted for President Rambo (twice).

P.S. Troy,here's a reminder for you:

BILL CLINTON IS NOT THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE!!!

Troy

That’s exactly what I’m talking about...keep drinking the cool-aid. I’m sure you were elated on Nov. 7, 2007 

Troy, You voted for Bush twice and you are very proud. I have a simple question and really would like an answer.
What is it that you are proud of?

His leadership? His integrety? His truthfullness?
His comittment to uphold the constitution?

Pardon Libby? Snap, done. Bush would pardon bin Laden if Cheney told him to.

Has anyone considered the implications of a spy being exposed, by the White House?!? Isn't that treason? What type of person would think it was okay to do that? I'm outraged!

"Gee Troy,I guess that makes you a "Chickenhawk".
No wonder you voted for President Rambo (twice)."

I did bench 275 over lunch and haven't lost a fight since 5th grade - but if you say so. Also believe in social and economic darwinism.

"BILL CLINTON IS NOT THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE!!!"

Neither is Martha Steward. And she went to jail for the exact same thing as Libby probably will (in effect, saying the sky was orange, not blue in court, which is how perjury works).

"That’s exactly what I’m talking about...keep drinking the cool-aid. I’m sure you were elated on Nov. 7, 2007 "

Did you mean 2006? My advice to you is finish high school before you debate. Secondly, the elections results did not distress me. The 2004-2006 congress did little to nothing and brought it on themselves. Change is also good and would like to see how Dems can make things better. Along the same reason I didn't vote for Topinka for IL gov. We WILL see either income taxes go up or sales taxes in the next 4 years due to Blago's mis-management. Why blame it on Topinka. Let the Dems falter and Repubs come save us all.

As I stated before - my life is better than 6 years ago. Lucky me. And if that "makes you sick", so be it.

"Troy, You voted for Bush twice and you are very proud. I have a simple question and really would like an answer.
What is it that you are proud of?

His leadership? His integrety? His truthfullness?
His comittment to uphold the constitution?"

All of the above. But I digress. Must get a few things done around here.

Let the hate postings begin!!!!

Later.....

Troy,

Martha Stewart is not the President either.

P.S. Troy,benching 275lbs in football terms would qualify you for.......waterboy.

"That’s exactly what I’m talking about...keep drinking the cool-aid. I’m sure you were elated on Nov. 7, 2007 "

Did you mean 2006? My advice to you is finish high school before you debate.

[...] Neither is Martha Steward.

Posted by: Troy | Feb 9, 2007 1:54:27 PM

Troy,

Before you start hurling insults at the intelligence of a poster for what was likely a simple typo, it would be wise to check your own spelling to help sharpen your argument of having a superior level of education: it's Martha Stewart, not Steward.

Why does anyone believe ANY politician can ever tell the truth? Spinning of facts has become the core of moral decay of Washington. THE TRUTH no longer exists. Sorry to be so negative, but its THE TRUTH.

Bush is the best precident ever! Hes a veri smart man and always says the truth. Hes a veri good leeder because he is good listenar and take advise from lots of peopal.

My blood boils at all of these comments. Bill Clinton perjured himself multiple times. As far as I'm concerned, a person who will about cheating on his wife will lie about everything else.

troy, if u'r so proud of bush, u should be in iraq by now. but no, u coward. instead, u indulge in ur own rat hole, enjoy ur good life, and let others march out and die.

if all u'r looking for is a good life, i would think u should be voting for dems (for the high times that clinton delivered during the 90s) instead of bush, who gives us nothing but debt and hate.

such a typical republican... make me sick.

attn: Dale Peters

FWIW, the reason that youtube.com video link didn't work is because the url was hyphenated. The real link needed an equals sign. Not sure if that was just a typo or if the software here stripped the '=' (equals) out... Here is the real link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLQee6ebQH4

"Also believe in social and economic darwinism."

Posted by: Troy | Feb 9, 2007 1:51:11 PM

So I assume that means you are against all farm subsidies, tax breaks for corporations, the US patent system, and bailing out big auto and airlines and other industries??

Troy-
UN resolution 1442 does not make the US invasion of Iraq legal. The resolution only mentions "serious consequences" and Frances threat to veto any action that called for violence renders 1442 esentially moot. The invasion and occupation of Iraq are illegal uses of force and attacks on an independent nation. We went after the Nazis for this behavior in Poland at the beginning of WW2.

We are in Iraq for the oil and Afganistan for the pipeline, our soldiers should be honored by all Americans, they should be cherrished and brought home safely, immediately.

I did bench 275 over lunch and haven't lost a fight since 5th grade - but if you say so. Also believe in social and economic darwinism.
Posted by: Troy | Feb 9, 2007 1:51:11 PM

Oh yea....once I eat a dead frog and I didn't throw up or nothing.

Underdog I have that link too. The Other you tube was statements by the White House Cheney and others on Libby. It has been pulled Both links where working this morning but one down

Hello where is Niger, what do they eat in Niger it's black history month learn more about Africa and find out more about the country Niger http://www.niger1.com/aboutniger.html

Fitzgerald charged Libby with obstruction of justice for lying to Fitzgerald about something that Fitzgerald decided wasn't even a crime. Thats a classic "Catch-22" situation.

I find the left wing hate repulsive. If we had taken Hitler out in 1939 people would be saying the same things as they say about going into Iraq today. The only mistake we made was trying to give democracy to a 14th century culture. Oh the good old days of the cold war. We should have gone in and crushed the barbarians, set up another brutal dictator who is favorable to U.S. and gone on to Iran and Syria. Of course, the usual left wing appeasment will lead to WW3 with a nuclear ending. And the liberals long term strategy of controlling the entire education system, the news media, and the entertainment media will insure that they will control for a generation until we learn our lessons the hard way. I bet Russert lied, I'm surprised they didn't call Chris Matthews, Dan Rather, and Jack Cafferty to testify against "Scooter". I hope W does pardon him.

Oh yea....once I eat a dead frog and I didn't throw up or nothing.

Posted by: bill r. | Feb 9, 2007 3:22:57 PM

You are my new hero.

Chris,

I'm still waiting for my chance to testify against Scooter.

You and Rush Limpbag and company are the only ones that can't see that the GOP is getting off easy on this.
If there was any real in this country Scooter,Cheney,Rove and President LoneRanger would all be on trail right now for lying about Iraq and outing a CIA agent i.e. "Treason."

Chris,how do you think a short,white

So, if Airline Mogul Jet Setter Looney Toons
And Occassional Democratic Speaker of the House
And Bush & Cheney