Embattled Bush: Fights two fronts: The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted March 24, 2007 9:06 AM
The Swamp

Posted by Mark Silva at 9:06 am CDT

This is what one might fairly call an embattled White House:

President Bush, who normally devotes his weekly radio address to one issue, deployed the words of his bully pulpit on two fronts today in which he is confronting a Democratic-controlled Congress challenging his authority. One is the congressional investigation of the firing of federal prosecutors, in which both the Senate and House have authorized subpeonas for White House officials. The other is the war in Iraq, in which the House has voted to set a deadline for troop withdrawal and Senate leaders hope to do the same.

In both instances, Bush maintains, the Democratic leaders of Congress are wasting their time -- with the president today calling on Congress not to "waste time and provoke an unnecessary confrontation'' on the question of the sworn testimony of White House aides sought in the prosecutor firings. Bush insists that passage of the war-spending bill with a demand for troop withdrawals is also a waste of time. He'll veto it.

But the conflicts on both fronts amount to one story: An embattled Bush, facing a presidential contest with Congress that is likely to grow more intense before a resolution is found on either front.

This is the text of the president's radio address:

"Good morning. The position of U.S. Attorney is one of the most important jobs in the Justice Department. U.S. Attorneys are appointed by the President, and they play a leading role in prosecuting crime and protecting the public.

In recent months, the Justice Department determined that new leadership in several of these positions would better serve the country. I strongly support the Attorney General in this decision. I also appreciate the hard work and service of the U.S. Attorneys who resigned. And I regret that their resignations have turned into a public spectacle.

Earlier this week, my Administration presented to Congress a reasonable way forward that balances the constitutional prerogatives of the Presidency with Congress's interest in learning more facts behind the decision to replace eight of the 93 U.S. Attorneys.

Members of Congress now face a choice: whether they will waste time and provoke an unnecessary confrontation, or whether they will join us in working to do the people's business. We have many important issues before us. So we need to put partisan politics aside and come together to enact important legislation for the American people.

One of the most urgent legislative priorities is to fund our troops fighting the war on terror. I've asked Congress to pass an emergency war spending bill that gives our troops what they need, without strings and without delay. Instead, a narrow majority in the House of Representatives decided yesterday to make a political statement. The emergency war spending bill they voted for would cut the number of troops below the level our military commanders say they need to accomplish the mission. It would set an artificial timetable for withdrawal that would allow the enemy to wait us out. And it would require an army of lawyers to meet the conditions imposed by politicians in Washington who are substituting their own judgment for that of our generals in Iraq. I have made it clear that I will veto any such bill, and it is clear that my veto would be sustained.

To get the votes they needed to pass the bill, the Democrats who control the House also included billions of dollars in domestic and pork barrel spending for local congressional districts. This spending includes things like $74 million for peanut storage, $25 million for spinach growers, and a host of other spending items that have nothing to do with the war. Even with all this extra spending tacked on, the vote in the House was very close. This means that the Democrats do not have enough votes to override my veto.

By choosing to make a political statement and passing a bill they know will never become law, the Democrats in Congress have only delayed the delivery of the vital funds and resources our troops need. The clock is running. The Secretary of Defense has warned that if Congress does not approve the emergency funding for our troops by April 15, our men and women in uniform will face significant disruptions -- and so will their families. April 15 is also about the same time that Congress returns from its Easter vacation. Members of Congress need to put our troops first, not politics. They need to send me a clean bill, without conditions, without restrictions, and without pork.

This is an important moment for our Nation, and it is an important moment for the new Congress. My Administration has presented a reasonable way forward on the matter of U.S. Attorneys, and on ensuring that our men and women in uniform have the funds and the flexibility they need to win in Iraq. It is not too late for us to work together. For the good of our Nation, I ask the Democratic leaders in Congress to seize the opportunity before us and move beyond political statements to bipartisan action.

Thank you for listening.''

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No Mr. President, by your own hand if you veto this bill to provide funding for the troops YOU will be cutting off that funding. Don't try to sit there and point a finger at democrats, they are providing the means for you to continue this debacle for over another year against their better judgment I believe. Yet how long do you think even your supporters will last after another year with no end in sight. This is the best offer you will get, so you better take it because I think the next one will cut off that funding and force you to bring the troops home.


It is going to get worse. The Democrats will sooner or later discover what this open ended commitment means and start pointing out some facts. The will likely be 5000 dead G.I.s and 30000 wounded through 2008. What is the projection of deaths past 2008, 10000? We have probably already reached a legacy cost for veterans of one trillion dollars. Direct costs are approaching this figure. Not only has this war been four years of repeated disasters, no one is considering the cost. A terrible price for Bush's failure is 3220 dead soldiers and 24000 wounded already.


Members of Congress now face a choice: whether they will waste time and provoke an unnecessary confrontation, or whether they will join us in working to do the people's business.---That has been the problem for the past six years, Mr. President. NO ONE DEBATES YOU AND NOW LOOK AT THE MESS WE'RE IN.


Impeach-Impeach-Impeach


Let the Democrats withdraw from the War on Terror. If the Democrats truly want to rely upon the "good will" of terrorists and the use of diplomacy to dodge begin attacked, then maybe it's time to leave them to their destiny.

After all, terrorists' prime targets (big cities) are full of mostly Democrats, are they not? Let the Democrats have their way. I'm tired of sacrificing the lives of American soldiers to protect Democrats. If truly there is an empty cause, that is it.


Mr President--your duty is to do that which is best for THE COUNTRY, not merely "THEM THAT BRUNG YA." Start conducting youself accordingly, or you should face an impeachment that you deserve and which would benefit the country.


I totally agree with Rory M. This whole debacle has gone on long enough. We need to make a very strong stand on this issue. We are tired of having the laws bent by this administration.

J.W. Santa Fe NM


No it is not the President who is cutting off funds it is the traitor democrates by putting in stipulations in the bill.
Our troops know Bush is behind them.


You made you bed. Now sleep in it.

May God have mercy on your soul.


It's easy Mr. Bush to sit down and make the Democrats look like the bad guys. However, Why not try explaining or even realizing that our troops are NOT fighting the war on terrorism over there in Iraq, because the ONLY war on terrorism, would be a war fought against YOU!


> ... My Administration has presented
> a reasonable way forward ...

Hmmmm. Seems to me that, throughout its tenure, this Administration's perspective has been that only its own proposals have been reasonable (one might even say 'Fair and Balanced') ones.


Is this an editorial or a news story?

At the beginning of the article, stating that the President is using his "bully pulpit" comes across as biased reporting and sets the tone for the remainder of the "news" story. When the Democrats speak, do mainstream news reporters ever say THEY are speaking from a "bully pulpit"?

disgusted ex-liberal/ex-democrat,


The Democrats are doing the wrong thing in their hatred of Bush for beating fatman Gore. It is so dumb to tell your enemy, "Why don't you just wait until this date and then we'll be gone and you can do whatever you want." How ignorant is that? The Dems retreat from whatever conflict we get into because they are basically cowards. I can't stand Bush in most areas, but at least he doesn't back down from those who would destroy us. Sadly, I think the Dems will take the White House back and they will lead us one step closer to the Islamization of the U.S. As Rome went, so will we go under weak leadership of spineless people. We will get what we deserve!


I am the wife of a service member that must return to Iraq soon. We are sick and tired of the Bush Administration using us as shields in his political battles. If the funds are cut then Mr. Bush has a moral obligation to withdraw the Soldiers from a conflict that has no end at all in sight. The Soldiers are not being treated fairly at all. They are Stop Lossed against their will after serving their contractual obligations, and then also treated terribly with in their chains of command. They are again even stopping the retirements of Soldiers that have served their country for over twenty years of service. If that is not the ugliest draft I have yet seen. Bush took us into this conflict, and he should be prosecuted for crimes against the United States for the unneeded waste of life, money, and the horrible treatment below the Administration of the Service Members that are doing their best to remain honorable through his failures of leadership. It is time for impeachment. Every time the president has a problem he begs for help for the sake of the Soldiers and their families trying to make people conform to his desires. I am tired of being in the middle of his fight with Congress! Stand on your own two filthy feet Mr. President; I am sure your time is coming to actually take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your administration. You will find out that responsibility means more than just some word, it has repercussions attached to it!


I agree with Bill Maher. Mr. Bush should be charged with treason. He has done more damage to our nation's honor and reputation than any president in recent history. Lets not forget our recent history that he proclaimed to be true. He claimed Saddam had WMD's. He did not. He never once focused on the fact that 19 of the terrorists responsible for 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, the country with which he and his father have done business for decades now. He sent our troops to war with machines that were not ready to do battle, equipment that was malfunctioning, no body armour, and no clear exit strategy. He protected Rumsfeld although every general and admiral in our prestigious military screamed that he was an incompetent oaf who did no listen to their years of experience when it comes to war. He pushed through his republican congress the patriot act that effectively has made our constitution nothing more than a piece of paper on display. He tapped the phones and read the emails of our own citizens illegally and has even had some citizens who opposed him arrested and detained without any representation or the right to face their accuser, effectively detaining them for as long as he wishes without due process of law. He and Carl Rove outed one of our most valuable spies in an act of retribution against her husband and in doing so probably compromised our national security even further than the terrorists ever dreamed. Now he wants us to trust him with send more troops to their deaths at least until his term ends. To you Mr. Bush ( take note I will not even honor you by recognizing the office you hold which is nearly sacred) to you and the 29% of the fools that still support you in their blind belief that not soing so is somehow unpatriotic,I say no more. Christ said the blind leading the blind and they will all fall into the ditch. You have led this nation, at least those blind enough to follow you be re-electing you, into a ditch that is full of lies and death. You are more evil than Bin Laden himself. I dont think you are as dumb and you pretend to be. I think you and Cheney are malicious people who know exactly what you are doing so you can fill your coffers with more oil money and the publc be damned.


....Somehow, we let this Bush run rough shod over our country for 6 years and it is about 5 1/2 years time past to put a stop to it.....He is destroying our country......in so many ways....WS


I believe the democrats started out by promising to have less partisan politics. Just wondering, how bi-partisan was the recent vote? Iraq is in a state of civil unrest, that is true. However, they are possibly on a path to democratic stability. That could not be said 4, 10, 20, or 40 years ago. Yes, that path does include blood, but where would be be today if the Union had demanded a withdrawal of all troops from the Confederacy after 3000 American deaths? Or what if we had ended our involvement in WWII after 3000 deaths? How about if we ended the revolutionary war after 3000 deaths? Yes, human life is a very heavy price to pay, but sometimes the price must be paid in order to achieve a justice not possible any other way, and never let us forget that the men who have died volunteered to take that risk in order to keep the rest of us safe. The ones who have taken the risk, and the ones who have taken the consequences have spoken through their blood that they believe this is a cause worth fighting for, and a cause worth dying for. Yes, the president should have checks and balances on his power, that is what differentiates us from Sadam Hussain, and Hugo Chavez. However, there is a difference between seeking answers, and seeking headlines. Which are the democrats seeking right now? If this is truly an issue of saving lives, why is there so much additional funding attached to the bill?


Mr President I believe you are the one who has a problem playing with others. First regarding the Attorney General your Executive Privilege only extends, if at all, to conversations between you and your staff; certainly not to conversations your staff has with other departments in the government. Now if you are finally admitting to discussing the firings with your staff perhaps you have a place to hide.

Regarding the war funding your veto is meaningless you need the money far more than Congress needs to give it to you. You say you support our troops, yet you sent them to war without the necessary equipment to protect them. Your war plan was that of a third grader not a President and having never fought in a war you fail to understand how badly your failure of leadership has affected our troops.

Finally one has to wonder whether any of your advisors are worth protecting obviously their council has been less than stellar.


I'm really surprised he's still using "war on terror". Doesn't he realize people are on to that by now? A conservative friend of mine the other day brought up "war on terror". I was so befuddled I then burst out laughing and then went silent with dismay.


Bush and those who support him from the ballot box on up have made the People his partners in crime. We cannot resurrect the dead nor heal the wounded. Far reaching and lasting damage has been done and is being done. But we can diminish and prevent further deaths and destruction. Bringing the troops home, not just from Iraq but from hundreds of bases around the world where they are not wanted and not needed is the first step on a long journey.


C Bircher, Why is it our responsibility to provide "democratic stability" to Iraq? Did they attack us? Why the concern about Iraq? Could it be OIL???? Truth is this country could give a hoot whether a country is democratic, based on the number of dictatorships we prop up. Do you think it is right that our men and women should die for the corporate feeding frenzy that was planned and is still going on to some extent? What the Democrats are seeking is not to get "headlines" but to represent the wishes of the people they serve and the people have spoken.

As for the additional spending, while not relevant to the bill, what industries does it support that ultimately benefit our economy? Just asking.


Sorry C Bircher, but if America wasn't involved in the installation of Saddam Hussein some 40 years ago, there's no telling what kind of government Iraq would have had today. Could have been a much more secular one, a more radical Islamic one, a dictatorship more friendly to the US (like in Saudia Arabia); in short, hindsight is always 20-20 vision.

What the Democrats are seeking today is an end to the deaths of American soldiers in a war that will never end. Why are you against that?


As one who has voted almost exclusively Republican for more than three decades, I can tell you all in no uncertain terms that I am ashamed for having placed Bush/Cheney in a second term. If our hope is to export democracy, exactly what sort of democracy are we talking about? Surely not one like we have in this country, where the executive branch is so paranoid and secretive it borders on dictatorship. And nothing is more telling of the neurosis emanating from the White House than preaching anti-terrorism on the one hand, and handing over our national sovreignty to Mexico on the other.


I'm so sick of republicans ripping on democrats and democrats ripping on republicans.

Realize that you pretty much follow the same ideologies, and neither is perfect.

The democrats are evil.
The republicans are evil.
Settled.

So quit pointing fingers at some label and suck it up and admit, despite the current presidents party, that he has done a piss poor job saving Iraq. Although some good has been done, it's hard to outweigh that good with all the bad that has gone on.

I still find it disgusting that the only lives we care about are AMERICAN lives. Yes, 3200 dead is a HORRIBLE thing, but has anyone taken into consideration the amount of INNOCENT Iraqi lives that have been lost? The number is staggering, and so is our nationalistic arrogance.


Well said EC.


Most Republicans now want an end to the war. The "commander and chief" is and always has been out of control. The right-wing, republican 21st century christian crusades are about over and the rest of us are left to pick up the pieces and try to mend the damage done over the past 6 years. It's time to get to the work of rebuilding our country, the one that Bush and his followers have tried to destroy.


I truly hope this don't come to an end like the 68 march and protest: a lot of time waste and non - gain for all. I am sure we are not going to an end like the old romans some was speaking about as the freedom of talk is one of the best thing in the world, trying to contribute to make a Country better.


We certainly do enough complaining. but what are we doing to clean up this dictatorship that is in the White Hosue? Get a broom of active people to sweep out the garbage starting with Bush, Chaney, Rowe, etc. Replace with some desent caring Americans. Bring back the face of America. We are not LIKED in many other countrys. Visit them and find out that we are refered as the UGLY AMERICANS. MGeisler


http://www.impeachbush.org
The current failures of the far right are largely because of arrogance and incompetence (amongst other very bad traits). We should have completely stabilized Afghanistan and then set our eyes on the terrorist camps in Pakistan and an alliance with Musharraf's army, but instead we went after an extremely weakened dictator based on a lie of imminent danger from WMDs. Saddam Hussein was not giving us any significant trouble, was completely pinned in by our (and Britain's) air forces, unable to mount a military of any significance, ALL while we had the opportunity to flood Iraq with thousands of UN inspectors and intel gathering capabilities (the CIA would have found their way in next to the inspectors). Instead we have a "leader" (aka idiot) who thumbed his nose at international law (i.e., wage no war unless UN approval was our signed treaty) and violated our own constitution (obey the treaties we have signed), plagued us with massive debt, and caused human suffering on a massive scale including millions of Iraqi refugees and dead Americans by the thousands. Did I say I think he (and Cheney) should be impeached? http://www.impeachbush.org That's the least we can do, and if we don't, then we are idiots, asleep at the switch of our own democracy.


Bush the Delusional: "I also appreciate the hard work and service of the U.S. Attorneys who resigned. And I regret that their resignations have turned into a public spectacle."

They resigned just like I would resign if I didn't show up for work 3 days straight without notice.

They were fired and the days when more than 30% of the citizenry believed whatever dreck issued forth from your mouth via Karl's brain are gone! Just like your AG the Judge. Gone.


"After all, terrorists' prime targets (big cities) are full of mostly Democrats, are they not? Let the Democrats have their way. I'm tired of sacrificing the lives of American soldiers to protect Democrats. If truly there is an empty cause, that is it." (from Texas Man)

what manner of national protection are troops providing when deployed in distant lands, giving up lives for a model of humanity (democracy) which simply does not work there? why should anyone agree to follow a leadership which has conducted this war miserably, and made mistake after mistake after mistake. unlike Vietnam, this administration cannot point to "nattering nabobs" who doubted the purpose of the war, or its importance. they had overwhelming support from the American people for their project. the only thing that's changed is that they bollixed it. this administration is incapable of winning this (or any) war, even if it were a good idea.


"Or what if we had ended our involvement in WWII after 3000 deaths? How about if we ended the revolutionary war after 3000 deaths? Yes, human life is a very heavy price to pay, but sometimes the price must be paid in order to achieve a justice not possible any other way, and never let us forget that the men who have died volunteered to take that risk in order to keep the rest of us safe. The ones who have taken the risk, and the ones who have taken the consequences have spoken through their blood that they believe this is a cause worth fighting for, and a cause worth dying for. Yes, the president should have checks and balances on his power, that is what differentiates us from Sadam Hussain, and Hugo Chavez. However, there is a difference between seeking answers, and seeking headlines. Which are the democrats seeking right now? If this is truly an issue of saving lives, why is there so much additional funding attached to the bill?" (from C Bircher)

billions have been squandered in Iraq by Halliburton and Black Water and others. let's get quantitative, Bircher and Mr President: what's the percentage of pork in the defense bill? go ahead, tally it up. and when you do, you'll find that an overwhelming fraction is providing exactly what the administration sought.

also, there is no legitimate comparison between WWII or the Civil War and the Iraqi conquest. the enemy we sought to defeat in Iraq has been defeated. the enemy we fight now is of our own making.

you ask "... why is there so much additional funding attached to the bill?" WHO attached it? is it possible that people who dislike the "bring the troops home now" added these "poison pills" to the bill?

by "doing the people's business", El Presidente Bush seeks to continue his imperial domination of government, disregarding public opinion, will of Congress, and the Constitution. that Constitution was not amended by the events of 2001-09-11.


Just another word on the "pork" attached to this bill...How much of the 103 billion for the war will end up as pork for Halliburton and other industries that are stuffing their faces with profits? I'd rather help some bankrupt shrimp fisher than see more fat running out of the mouths of defense industry CEO's.


What if the headlines read, "Democrats Lace War Funding Bill With Pork"?

What if the headlines read, "The Bush Administration decides to only replace 8 of the 93 U.S. Atorneys"?


"How about if we ended the revolutionary war after 3000 deaths? Yes, human life is a very heavy price to pay, but sometimes the price must be paid in order to achieve a justice not possible any other way, and never let us forget that the men who have died volunteered to take that risk in order to keep the rest of us safe..."
-Quoted by a previous poster
Being a retired U.S. Marine, it's easy for someone to post a comment like that without having to put yourself in harms way, like I and many of my brothers have done. It's even easier for a president who "ducked and ran" from his duties (when he "served") to his own nation to spout off "stay the course". What a load of bull. Strap a machine gun to Bush and Cheney and all the other hypocrite Republicans (and some Democrats too) who haven't served a day in combat. (I am neither a democrat or republican, mind you...) I have seen in my time on this Earth, that war actually hasn't solved much of anything at all. It's a never ending vicious cycle. And these Iraq and Afghanistan wars are only going to create more hatred towards our nation and our people which in turn breeds more "terrorists". I wish all of these hypocrite politicians like "Commander in Chief" Bush would realize this.


BC,
I can see you're another "make-up history as ya type along" liberal.
The United states had nothing to do with Saddam Hussein gaining power in 1979.Saddam was involved in a 1968 coup that gave the Ba'ath party complete control over Iraq.Saddam moved up the ranks in the party and forced al-Bakr to resign and gained complete power.
***Now back-up your statement,BC and tell us how America put Saddam Hussein in powere some 40 years ago,we're waiting Mr. History Channel***
Paulo


Guess where on the internet this quotation can be found:


"Since World War II, presidents have time and again illegally taken the United States to war — in Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq (to name but a few cases) — and always with disastrous results. Our “law of the land,” the Constitution, wrote Founding Father James Madison, has “with studied care, vested the question of war in the Legislature.” Alexander Hamilton noted that the president’s war powers “would amount to nothing more than the supreme command and direction of the military and naval forces, as first general and admiral,” while the main power of the sword would rest with Congress. The Constitution grants to Congress alone the power: “To declare War”; “To raise and support Armies”; “To provide and maintain a Navy”; “To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces.” The people must not allow presidents to usurp these powers, or the Congress to allow or abet such usurpation."


Yes, human life is a very heavy price to pay, but sometimes the price must be paid in order to achieve a justice not possible any other way, and never let us forget that the men who have died volunteered to take that risk in order to keep the rest of us safe.
Posted by: C Bircher | Mar 24, 2007 10:59:59 AM

The Bush administration has replaced one mechanism of genocide for another in the name of freedom and democracy.

This is justice?

The Bush administration and the merry band of foreign policy "experts" - PNAC and the Heritage Foundation - eager to flex their neo-foreign policy by way of regime change, either knew the aftermath of toppling Hussein would involve genocide and ethnic cleansing and thought the price was fair for "democracy", or were just too
stupid to game this posssibility. I can't tell you which, and at this point it doesn't matter much, anyway.
Any assertion by the Bush administration that U.S troop casualties is the price paid for keeping us safe, as you parrot in your post, is flat out untrue.
It is the price paid for the administrations colossal blunder, and is most certainly a tragedy of epic proportion in U.S history.


Bush maintains, the Democratic leaders of Congress are wasting their time -- with the president today calling on Congress not to "waste time and provoke an unnecessary confrontation'' on the question of the sworn testimony of White House aides sought in the prosecutor firings. Bush insists that passage of the war-spending bill with a demand for troop withdrawals is also a waste of time. He'll veto it.

All hail King Bush!!! The chicken hawk monarch. Lord help us this guy is nuts. Insane, delusional. Dare I say it criminal.


Texas Man wake up. Better yet quit supporting the worlds biggest terrorist, George W Bush. Impeach, imprison!


I grow more tired of all this political posing in the news, with congress and the white house speaking to each other through soundbites on TV.

I value honesty in my elected officials. When will someone have the courage to stand up go George Bush and say "No one gives a horses-tuchus what you think about the war."


Wah, wah, wah, wah!!!!

Too much time on your hands, do something besides crying.


This president is a disgrace, by far the worst one in modern history and probably the worst one ever. We have lost our world standing; the middle class is disappearing; we have hocked our children's futures and this man acts as though no one has any business questioning his horrific decisions. The only road left is impeachment of BOTH Bush and Cheney.


To Texas Man: Texas has big cities too you idiot and some have a sizable Hillbillie population.


@ Earl C | Mar 24, 2007 10:41:42 AM

"Our troops know Bush is behind them."

Yes, indeed. As far behind and safe as he can manage.


I see some misunderstanding about genocide. Genocide is a mass killing with no regards for the age, gender, or status of those killed. Let us compare that to the effort by our government to target combatants in a society where combatants do not differentiate themselves from non-combatants by uniforms or any other obvious manner.
You might argue that we have killed women and children. However, there is at least the effort to discriminate, and making mistakes is not the same as intentionally targeting thousands of women and children.
Also, terrorists try to achieve their goals by frightening people into submission, not those in power but the general populace. Bush has tried to achieve his goals by outright force on those we are in conflict with.
You might disagree with Bush's intentions (I do) you might disagree with his handling of the war (I do somewhat) however, calling him a terrorist and accusing him of genocide is not only mistaken, it is also misleading.


Yup! The chickens have come home to roost, and W. asks, 'now what do we do'? I wonder how much time he spends looking at pictures of wounded Iraqi citizens and the distruction of this once beautiful country. There cannot not be a more vilified man on Earth, unless it is Cheney.


"I strongly support the Attorney General in this decision."

Gonzo now. Gonzo tomorrow. Gonzo forever.


REMEMBER THE MOVIE " ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKO,S NEST"?????????????????


Bush is a lying piece of garbage.

End of story.


To Texas Man: Texas has big cities too you idiot and some have a sizable Hillbillie population.

Posted by: Byron | Mar 24, 2007 3:29:47 PM

That Texas guy is a piece of work, isn't he?

Most of the soldiers killed came from big cities too.

http://icasualties.org/oif/US_CITY.aspx

Just because the rednecks roar the loudest when Bush does his tough-guy impression doesn't mean they're the ones doing the fighting.

Not by a long shot.


DD,
Where have you been,Iraq did make attacks on us and President Bush decided after 9/11 that Saddams threat to us,Isreal and the Middle East region had gone far enough.
Paulo


Paulo,

Enlighten us all with what "attacks on us" by Iraq you are referring to. Oh yes, the fact that Saddam was threatening to switch oil currency to the Euro? And I'll ask again since most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, how come we didn't attack them? Hmmmm....What's that I smell in the air....oil?

As for Iraq's attack on Kuwait -- Has anyone looked at Kuwait on a map? Funny but it looks like it should be part of Iraq. What a hornet's nest it is over there with the rest of the world trying to get their slice of the oil pie.

Oil oil oil oil oil oil....everybody got that?


Enlighten us all with what "attacks on us" by Iraq you are referring to.
Posted by: DD | Mar 25, 2007 1:01:30 AM

The constant and repeated attacks on our aircraft over the "no-fly zone" as per the U.N. mandate signed on by the majority world body. I guess they didn't run it by you first DD, for your approval.?


To Don B. RE: "Attacks on us"
Yes the Iraqis attempted to attack our airplanes during the No-Fly-Zone operations. "Attempted" is the key word". The Iraqi military (as usual) performance was not very impressive, in fact laughable and obviously nothing but desperate and intended to be a nuisance. The Iraqis shot down ZERO (0) US or British aircraft during the No-Fly Zone operations. We flew thousands of sorties during the timeframe, and dropped thousands of bombs, and shot hundreds of cruise missiles. We (US/Britain) also had zero casualties. Iraqi civilian casualties were by far the most of any group of people (again, innocent civilians), and are estimated in the hundreds.

Those innocent hundreds of dead are just collateral damage for idiot right-wing supporters, but the right-wing CONTINUALLY ignores the negative impact these kinds of things have on US prestige in the world (the prestige being almost nothing since the idiot right-wing took over in 2001).

So Don B, is this (Iraqi attacks during the No-Fly-Zone ops) a good reason to attack and attempt an occupation of Iraq by the USA in 2003? If you think so, then I would encourage you to reconsider your position. We need to pick our military conflicts very carefully in this war, and use diplomacy and intelligence gathering as the main tools to protect our country.


You might disagree with Bush's intentions (I do) you might disagree with his handling of the war (I do somewhat) however, calling him a terrorist and accusing him of genocide is not only mistaken, it is also misleading.
Posted by: C Bircher | Mar 24, 2007 4:51:30 PM

I think you misread or grossly misinterpreted my post.
I certainly didn't accuse Bush of being a terrorist or state that HE committed genocide.
What I did state is he replaced one mechanism of genocide (Saddam Hussein) with another mechanism of genocide (Sunni and Shia hatred for another, and a a weak, nascent government lording over this brew).
I clearly do not believe the American troops are committing genocide.
It is the Sunni and Shia that are responsible for the slaughter, but the administrations actions - from toppling Hussein to the poorly executed occupation - have created the conditions for this Sunni/Shia genocide.


DD and ET,
Yea,forget that no-fly zone.Saddam was just taking target practice at our air-force all those years,it really wasn't an act of war trying to down American Military Air-Craft....forget about it.
Paulo


Paulo:

I'll back up my claims ONLY AFTER you back up YOUR ALLEGATIONS that you posted on February 20, 2007, that the Hillary Clinton campaign staff was behind the Obama "madrassa school" smear job printed in Insight Magazine and regurgitated ad infinitum on Fox News channel. You remember, the challenge that I've put to you no less than a half dozen times. The one that you've too cowardly to accept.

BC


BC,
You're a goof,it's been widely reported by many magazines and pundits that Hillary sent out "paid researchers" to find out about Barry H. Obama attending a Madrassa.The story wasn't about the Madrassa as much as it was about Hillary trying to find dirt on him.
As for your statement regarding The U.S. (installing Saddam)there is no need to defend
your own lunacy....history trumps you.
Paulo



BC,
You're a goof,it's been widely reported by many magazines and pundits that Hillary sent out "paid researchers" to find out about Barry H. Obama attending a Madrassa.The story wasn't about the Madrassa as much as it was about Hillary trying to find dirt on him.
As for your statement regarding The U.S. (installing Saddam)there is no need to defend
your own lunacy....history trumps you.
Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | Mar 25, 2007 9:15:49 PM


No Paulo, YOU'RE THE GOOF!

That "story" came from Insight Magazine and has been since discredited by CNN and OTHER NEWS SOURCES. Yet to date, neither Insight Magazine nor Fox News has apologized for broadcasting a story that is FALSE, let alone apologizing for trying to smear the hillary Clinton campaign staff by saying that they were the source.

As for your latest statement: "it's been widely reported by many magazines and pundits that Hillary sent out "paid researchers" to find out about Barry H. Obama attending a Madrassa" LET'S SEE PROOF OF THAT ALLEGATION.

Paulo, your track record of posting FALSE ALLEGATIONS and refusing to BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS is YOUR history here in The Swamp.


Looking at this Mess that our Country is in The Governments number one priority should be the American People. I feel bad for the troops and there families because they are caught up in this propaganda. It is bad tactics to blame and scare someone into something to get what you want. Bush has been using these tactic since he has been in office. Bush has a lot in stake and so does his buddy in Iraq to pull American troops out now. The Democrats want to show their power but are their best interest in our troops? Congress gave Bush the money for funds but with troop removal out of Iraq. You can not send someone to war without proper gear to fight with that is crazy and you can't tell your enemies what your strategy is to pull your troops out. The American people more than ever need to come together because a divide house will fall.

VetWill


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