I don't care what Warner says, I'm firmly behind Pace all the way.

I agree with the General. As a retired member of the armed forces I feel that the general has enough on his plate. The focus should be on results not political noise.The General does not make policy, He relies on his commanders to enforce it.

George O'Connor, CWO Ret.

Right On.... If you didn't like Pace's answer then DONT ASK!!!!

Who cares what this moron Pace believes? He has to explain why it is wrong for others who do not share his beliefs why it is wrong for them to engage in that behavior.

Besides, if you are going to make an argument for keeping discrimination in the armed forces, you have to make the argument based on the necessity of such discrimination and NOT on the fact that gays offend his moral sensitivity. Who is he? GOD? Does the universe revolve around him? Are things the way they are because of his beliefs?

He is a retarded jackass moron who should keep his foul mouth shut. The last thing the armed forces need after Walter Reed and the war on Iraq is some dim-witted cretin mouthing off and displaying his bigotry and ignorance. Stupid.

Everybody's in an uproar because General Pace expressed his personal opinion on homosexuality. I believe that most Americans agree that most abnormal behaviors such as necrophilia, pedophilia and homophilia are in fact immoral. We have just been cowered into not expressing our beliefs publicly.

It saddens me that our country is so behind the times on this issue. General Pace narrow minded view undermines the military and usirps the dignity of gay men and women now serving in Iraq. These men and women, placing their lives on the line for a country that rejects them, denigrades them, and restricts their rights are heroes. Pace, and others who condone his remarks that homosexuality is immoral have not come to grips that their "upbringing" bestowed upon them by their families and serves as a separate viewpoint that should be respected. But not at the expense of gay men and women now serving in a foolish war that he supports.

Other countries laugh at our crippling legacy of bigotry and ignorance and Pace just gave them another sound bite.

Incredible.

Pace's statements only underline the fact that his arrogance is exceeded only by his ignorance.

Unjust discrimination is wrong no matter how you rationalize it. The time has come for this fooish, counter-productive and unnecessary policy to end.

To quote a previous post:

"He is a retarded jackass moron who should keep his foul mouth shut."

Now isn't that tolerant and accepting. Anyone who is anti-Christian can spout off whatever they want and, through judicial process, be free of any type of rebuke or condemnation from anyone else. But if someone who opposes their view speaks out, they are bigoted, hate-speaking morons.

What everyone fails to realize is that all morals come from God. If we discard them, then tehre no longer exists any moral base, and then ALL behavior becomes OK.

If hmosexuality is determined by man to be moral, then why is it immoral or wrong for a teacher to have sex with a 15-year-old? If you denigrate moral boundaries for one group, you have to continue to denigrate it for every other group.

Without the moral standing established by God's word, everything becomes moral and there is no right or wrong.

Pace was right the first time. Societies that go gay are on the way down and will let "anything go" or anyone come in.

who is WARNER???? a nothing but a washington begger from anyone and who is HILLARY OR OBAMA OR ALL THESE HAS BEEN NO NOTHING PEEPS . I KNOW MORE PEOPLE IN MY NIEBORHOOD THATS MORE QUALIFIED TO BE PERSIDENT THAN ANY OF THESE CORRUPT PERKS GEEZE

The proble is in close quarters, gay men and women look at nudes in a different way than "Normal" people. Using the approach of gay advocates, I should be able to walk nude into a womens locker room full of nude women and not feel anything? C'mon give me a break - gay en and women are drooling at the sight of naked bodies just like "normal" people do when viewing the opposite sex.

The last thing we need right now is consideration of this issue, although the foaming at the mouth response from Democrats is to be expected. What's there now works, so leave it alone. There's more important things going on....

I agree with Pace. The military should not play God by deciding which type of behaviour is good or not.

Fred Thomas,
That is the most ignorant argument I've seen since Rick "man on dog" Santorum. Homosexuality is not equatable with necrophilia, pedophilia and homophilia.

Gen Pace was asked his opinion by the Chicago Tribune and now people like the above poster want to bash him for his opinion. That is his opinion. He is entitled to it just like homosexuals are entitled to their opinion. The homosexuals want to jump on people and make them apoligize when they express an opinion contrary to their own. What a bunch of hypocrites. Gen pace don't owe anyone an explanation for his opinion just like the homosexuals don't have to give an explanation for theirs.

Well gentlemen. When all is said and done, we must contrast two opposing facts. One is that the bible is true and all of its teachings. Thus if you follow the teachings of the bible your conclusions are very plain. Homosexuality is immoral.

Secondly, those that do not believe the bible is true and do not believe its teachings or follow them, can conclude only one thing. Anything goes outside of moral restraints and Godly convictions. Any argument becomes truth in the eyes of the beholder and a few that agree.

The problem with the latter is the blatent historical fact that socoeties that are open to all things and allow all things with no moral conviction will fall either from within or slef destruct.

The great thing about the first point is that God's love is what keeps moral conviction, not enforced law.

I believe we should worry much less about what's in a man's pants and worry much more about what's in his head and heart.

Pace is like the truth-speaking child in the story of the Emperor with No Clothes. He spoke the obvious fact that there is a reason there is a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. The obvious reason is that homosexual acts are immoral, not to mention disruptive in the military. In the fairy tale, the Emperor and people just went forward as if nothing had been said or revealed. If the policy is revoked, it would be as if the Emperor and people REQUIRED nudity and not even pretend clothes are being worn. In other words, one could even make things worse.

General pace talks about morality. Can he moralize the death of 100,000 iraqui. Moralize the sexual advances ofthe malr soldiiers toward their female counter parts. The treatment and care of walter reed patient care.The divorce rate and wife abuse of the returned military at their home base. the violent acys of our soldiers toward civilian personnel. Dont forget abu Gahrib for morality behavior.

a former medic 2nd infantry division world war 2

SEMPER FI SIR!!!!

Here is a profile of a homosexual taken verbatim from the Bible. Read and decide for yourself if homosexual activity is okay.

(Rom 1:26 KJV) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

(Rom 1:27 KJV) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

(Rom 1:28 KJV) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

(Rom 1:29 KJV) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

(Rom 1:30 KJV) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

(Rom 1:31 KJV) Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

(Rom 1:32 KJV) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

We are fortunate to have a man of courage and high morality in this position...he, like all other Americans, has the right to his own personal opinions and thankfully, did not waver from them like "Wind in the Willows Warner" and other gutless politicans. As far as what other countries think about our moral values, take a look at their declining populations, crime-ridden cultures, and financial standing - all a result of misplaced virtures and values. Those who criticize Gen. Pace are in the vanguard of the minority who would see this nation decline as well.

I strongly agree with General pace. It absolutely is an immoral act that serves no life purpose. Immoral and godless fools like Joseph Rotolo that posted his comment should be expelled from the United States as undesireables. If we don't start standing up to these people now, we will fall out of favor with God and rapidly fall into his wrath, as has happened several times before. Note Sodom and Gamorea. Our elected representatives that have attitudes like John Warner need to be thrown out of office. This great country is headed for the gates of Hell. Wake up, America!

two questions;

1) what an individual's sexual orientation have to do with their ability to fight or perform their duties, be they military or otherwise?

2) why, in the name of reason & logic, would our military eject able-bodied individuals from their jobs IN TIME OF WAR, based on their sexual orientation(s)?!

how surrealistically ignorant. silliness like this seems completely in-line with the ignorance that permeates much of society today -- put down the bible/q'uran/torah, america, and stop worrying about what other people are doing in their bedrooms. seems we have far more important matters to attend to right now.

two men or two women having sex together impacts your life and the effectiveness of our military forces not one iota.

Thanks for speaking the truth General Pace. John Warner, a Republican Senator from Virginia, has lost my vote.

Homosexuality is a matter of choice, not involuntary, though the psychologists' "positive reinforcement" comes into play, making protection of children from sexual predators necessary (the primary means for which must be frank parental or guardian introduction of pre-adolescents of both sexes to the "facts of life" and the dignity & boundaries thereof). The ministry Exodus International proves this voluntary nature worldwide.

Choices for sexual dissolution -- fornication -- are not acceptable for disciplined human beings who must live in the unique military relationship, where one's personal life does impact one's professional, because of the intimate relationship of soldiers as comrades for whom deep personal bonding can mean the difference between between heroism & cowardice, between life & death.

Not beside the point also, even foremost, is the fact that homosexuality is antithetical to historic, Biblical ethics: the fountainhead of Western Civilisation, without which there are no enduring, objective standards of right & wrong (and the radical relativism of totalitarian Communism or Fascism obtain free reign) ... the resurgence of which America is suffering today, on the impassioned excuse of "wars" on drugs and terror.

I am amazed that there are people who have so much hatred in their hearts as well as ignorance in their heads to compare Homosexuality with necrophilia & pedophilia. The sad truth is that some of these individuals are probably closeted Homosexuals themselves. Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time and only in The Old Testiment (where everything is a sin) is it observed as wrong. I can assure you I won't live long enough to see the ignorance of people like some of the ones posting here corrected. But I know in my heart that God made me the way I am and I am definetly Gay. I am also a Christian and I really don't like all of these so-called Christians hating in the name of God.

GOD BLESS YOU GENERAL PACE! NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE TRUTH EVER!

I believe we should worry much less about what's in a man's pants and worry much more about what's in his head and heart.

i am an ex Marine and I supuport General Pace. i know what it's like to serve with men in close contact.i think that Janet Reno fired all 93 Asst. attorneyies general when the Clinton people took office.
do we have a double standard?

The more important underlying questions are these:
1. Is ANYTHING immoral?
2. If so, who gets to decide? (By what standard do we judge?)
3. If "right and wrong" is a relative, subjective matter, then doesn't it follow that those who attack Pace's opinion are out of line?
4. What's more immoral: expressing an honest personal opinion, or trying to censor, attack and/or punish those who hold opinions with which one disagrees?

Gen Pace said what really a lot of [people would like yo say but wont

" believe that most Americans agree that most abnormal behaviors such as necrophilia, pedophilia and homophilia are in fact immoral."

Why is it that just about everytime the issue of homosexuality gets brought up people jump right to necrophilia and pedophelia? How is a relationship with another consenting adult at all related to molesting children and corpses??

I whole heartedly throw my support behind General Pace.

We have gotten to the place in this country that "we must be tolerant of everyone -- except the intolerant."

Homosexuality is intolerable. Statistics show that most Americans agree with the former statement, but the homosexual lobby has learned how to yell very loud and they are in control (or at least have influence) in the media.

Shame on us for allowing this country to be tolerant of this and other abhorrent behavior.

For an 80-year "former medic, 2nd infantry division world war 2", Ed Aaron sure doesn't spell very well...

"I believe we should worry much less about what's in a man's pants and worry much more about what's in his head and heart."

What????? We all know what is in every man's pants. What we don't want to know is what he wants to do with it.
And we should be worrying about what's in the head and heart of a homosexual predator who might like to try the military.
Wise up! Troops have enough pressure already. They do not need to be fighting off homosexuals as well as the enemy!

Reader Phil Sammon has perfectly trumped any argument put forth by the supporters of homosexuality. His logic is unassailable. So, would any homosexuals like to try and rebut his statement?

In the immortal words of my drill sergeant way back in 1980, "Who the ---- died and left YOU God?!" I spent 8 years in the Army, 3 on active duty and 5 in the reserves, ending my career as a reserve drill instructor. I left the Army, reluctantly, in order to come out and, in the "moral" sense, to stop having to lie and lie and lie every day of my service.

I knew many gay and lesbian soldiers, enlisted, warrant and officer alike, I knew the late Sgt. Perry Watkins who achieved a landmark victory in 1991 against the Army's gay ban, and it's a crying shame that this kind of deliberate ignorance still prevails. Keep in mind that this Pace character is a Marine, not regular Army, and his comments lend credence to the canard that the USMC is our least intelligent service. Not too bright, Pete.

I live in NYC metro and work in high-tech and am constantly being recruited by companies based in Chicago and the Midwest. Many of the comments posted on this site (see Fred Thomas above, et al., and BTW, Fred, the word is "cowed", not "cowered") regarding this issue remind me why I will not relocate my family to the Midwest for _any_ reason. Your loss, our gain. In the meantime, as good Christians, my gay husband and I will pray for your enlightenment. As for Gen. Pace, he should be immediately relieved of his position and put to work emptying the bedpans of wounded gay veterans.

Good for General Pace! That is the type of fearless leadership this country needs...not the weakling, politically correct, self-serving liberals in Washington (and elsewhere). That was great to read.

Homosexuality is not only wrong in the old testament. Did you dont read the above post by David. All quotes from the book of ROmans which is the New Testament

If you are all going to throw God into this then make sure you know the scripture. God never intended any person to bey Gay and in the Bible it talks about homosexuality and that is a sin. It is wrong and it is immoral. If God says so then i will follow Him.

Would just one journalist ask Sen. Warner if he now thinks that Moses was full of crap. That he strongly disagrees with 2,000 years of Christian teaching. Just ask him those questions and see if he ever wins another election in Virginia. He's just another elitist anti-Christian jerk.

Pace all the way! The truth is the truth homosexuality is nothing but an unnatural manifestation of sexual desire.
Immoral, unnatural, and just plain nasty.

Yep, it's just his opinion.

He has a right to it.

Just like only 40 years ago most people--especially in the South, thought that Blacks and Whites should not serve in the same military, drink at the same water fountain, go to the same schools.

We mock those people for their backward stupidity now--but a lot of people had to die, get beaten or tortured to end it.

Heck, the Bible supported the idea of slavery too.

I'm really tired of waiting for you people to evolve.

Ring me up when you want to get out of the cesspool you call your value system.

Senator Warner in the last years has really
let me down, Ask Warner this if his Kids wherein the Military and had to shower with some queer,

Or if he is in a fox hole with one.

I know I and most of this nation whould not feel
confortable with this.
And how come this type of behavior is has become normal. It is sick

Thank you to the above poster for pointing out that my homosexuality has nothing to do with my ability to fight terrorists.

I love America. I'm a flag-saluting, Constitution-loving, 4th of July-celebrating Eagle Scout. But because I'm gay I've been deemed ineligible to fight terrorists.

So for people who want to get the terrorists, shouldn't we use every person who wants to fight terrorists? Apparently not according to most of the posters here as well as the majority of elected and military officials.

Finally, all of you people who are wearing fabric made out of two kinds of cloth, or had bacon for breakfast...well those are also sins punishable by extreme measures. But, that is the love that you believe God gives. The God that I know loves me and others. I hope you all can find that love as well.

I think this whole homosexuality debate would go away if two things would happen.

1. Religious people need to get it through their thick heads that not everyone believes in their relgion or agrees with their subjective views on morality. There is nothing wrong with encouraging behavior that you believe would lead to better results for society, but there is something very wrong with trying to implement it via law unless virtually everyone in society agrees on the issue (which is obviously not the case when it comes to homosexuality).

2. Homosexuals need to admit that whether their behavior is caused by genetics, environment, sometimes one, sometimes the other, sometimes both, etc.... that it is a behavior that is unintended by evolution. There is no upside to the survival of our species from it. There is only downside because there are fewer children born and higher levels of disease spread because of bleeding during some sex acts etc... Admitting that it is a genetic/psychological PROBLEM would allow moer honest open communication and perhaps lead to more scientists actually trying to discover the gene that causes it or the environmental issues that contribute to it. Then those that are homosexuals that want to could actually eventually choose to be heterosexual instead of pretending to be happy and ramming it all down the rest of out throats 24 hours a day.

JRM SAYS:
" believe that most Americans agree that most abnormal behaviors such as necrophilia, pedophilia and homophilia are in fact immoral."

Why is it that just about everytime the issue of homosexuality gets brought up people jump right to necrophilia and pedophelia? How is a relationship with another consenting adult at all related to molesting children and corpses??
Posted by: JRM | Mar 13, 2007 1:55:59 PM

BECAUSE SIR, THEY ARE ALL THREE IMMORAL!

OH PUH-LEASE --- will you over-zealous nutbars just give it up with your tired bible quotes already!?! That book is loaded with more fiction than the Danielle Steel bibliography. But ok... the bible says so... WHO CARES?! The bible also says it's ok to beat your children and that eating shellfish is "an abomination" -- talk about asinine. Grow up, people.

If they are honest and working for the good of our country, I don't really care about their love life!

General Pace agrees with the Founding Fathers of the United States of America on this subject. So do I. Homosexuality is immoral and anti-social. It is immoral because the Bible unequivically denounces it as such. It is anti-social because it would spell the end of humanity if it were adopted by all of humanity. General Pace is also correct about adultery. These activities are immoral - people are redeemable. It is a fact that we can disagree with a person's actions without hating the person. Thus, "don't ask, don't tell" is not a evil policy. It protects the homosexual and the heterosexual from probable negative confrontations and from situations where a lack of trust could cost lives.
God bless General Pace!

mr. batson; you live in a strange & depressing fantasy world... homosexuality is most definitely NOT a choice, sir.

i am confident that, given a hundred years or so, your kind (meaning, sad, ignorant people who perceive the wondrousness & infinite beauty of the natural world & humanity THROUGH the severely limiting 'filter' of some old book) will be all but gone.

you religious people (christians, muslims and jews) seem so insecure when you fire off bible-based opinions about the lives other folks are leading. do you really have so much time on your hands? is your life so absolutely perfect that you can afford the luxury of assessing & passing judgment on the lives of others?!

fundamentalism seems to be a bigger problem than homosexuality. love is love is love. that's really all that matters in life. how others choose to give & receive it is really no concern of yours.

and who was the genius that first proposed the idea that homosexuality has a different effect on soldiers' performance than heterosexuality?

oh, america; i'd turn you over my knee & spank you if i could. grow the heck up!

Another narrowminded military guy...what are the odds?

Sexual deviancy has always been a moral issue and always will be. It's too bad that the folks who really owe the apology are the very people demanding one.

Those of us who are not burdened with sexual deviancy issues need to be patient and tolerant of those who are (to the extent that they are not inflicting harm on others), and we should try to help them out of their slime pit -- but we certainly do not owe them an apology.

Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace did the right thing when he confessed on Tuesday to confusing his personal moral beliefs with national security needs in a discussion of the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy.

That policy, which requires 65,000 gays and lesbians to serve in secret, undermines military preparedness through the discharges it requires, its adverse effect on recruiting and enrollment in ROTC, and the voluntary curtailment of careers by fully trained service personnel who get fed up with the secrecy the policy requires. The sooner we imitate our NATO allies and repeal this flawed policy the better.

Thomas F. Field
Colonel, United States Army (Retired)

The problem with homosexuals in the military is not if they can fight or shoot as well as others its tha they live in the same rooms and shower in the same shower with straight soldiers. Why should they make straight soldiers have to do this knowing a gay guy is standing looking at him sexually? Straight men get turned on looking at naked women and gay men get turned on looking at naked men. Why don't they just make the women and men bath together. Straight soldiers have rights too. They should not be subjected to this.

I totally agree with General Pace. As a retired E-8, I agrre that there is no need for gays in the military. I wish the politicians would stop trying to apease everyone and anyone who votes. KEEP THE GAYS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

General Pace said nothing wrong by stating the obvious that homosexual activity is immoral. It is a given. At the same time God calls us to love our neighbors but people are called to reject their sinful urges homosexuality included, but they are entitled to be treated fairly as a person, but not required to have their unnatural activities be accepted.

It is easy to find hatred when speaking on a controversial topic like this, but both sides must resist this temptation and look at the obvious truths and state them kind heartedly.

Pace is right. Period. "Gay" is a euphemism for every homosexual, bisexual, multi-sexual, transgendered, transsexual etc., etc. behavior that no judeo-christian society has condoned in the history of mankind. Someone who acts in such a manner is not a "protected class" and deserves no special consideration whatsoever.

This is the most intelligent statement in this whole forumn....
"Gen pace don't owe anyone an explanation for his opinion just like the homosexuals don't have to give an explanation for theirs."

Maybe we should have an ALL GAY military.

Then the gay community will stop complaining about the rules and the those that find their sexual behavior immoral/offensive won't have to get bombarded with their lifestyle 24 hours a day on every network show, in every newspaper, etc... even though they only represent a small percentage of the overall society.

I think you'll find John Warner is NOT the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee as you say in your blog post. It's Sen. John McCain.

General Pace has my admiration and respect.
The military does not exist as a social laboratory.
The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things as assigned by the Commander in Chief. If we spent more time worrying about the country's enemies and destroying them, we would not have time to worry about the hurt feelings and bruised sensibilities of the pansy class and other leftist fools.

General Pace standing by his remarks are exactly what separates a general from a politician. The only way General Pace will take back or apologize is that he will be threatened behind his back by the spineless ones, that snake around in the political muck.

For the left there is no right or wrong. Everything is based upon the concept of "It makes me feel good to think so." No facts really matter. Just what makes them feel good.

General Pace is as right now as Krulak was years ago trying to get junior Marines not to marry before they were financially secure. The left howled over that, too.

What really get me is this. The real story is the fact that Sen. Warner does not think homosexual activity is immoral!! It is time for HIM to go and quit disgracing the Senate!

The last thing we need is to have homosexuals running around indulging in thier typical pernicious sexual behavior infecting soldiers with HIV and other forms of sexually transmitted disease. The cost of VA medical care would go through the roof.

Even if you are a member of a godless religion, you can see the problems that would surely would come to pass if we permitted such disease-ridden activity to flourish.

General Pace was correct in all that he said; not to mention that was his personal belief and that he was raised in a Christ honoring family. When it is all said and done and we all appear before a HOLY GOD each of us will give an account of what we have done and failed to do both good and evil. We have all been forwarned and you have now been reminded.

What really get me is this. The real story is the fact that Sen. Warner does not think homosexual activity is immoral!! It is time for HIM to go and quit disgracing the Senate!

Jethro, that's where YOU may draw the line, but unfortunately, the "other" aberrant behaviors are making headway. Hide and watch: ten or fifteen years from now, pedophiles and necrophiles, etc. will be "coming out" with pride. You can't simply accept homosexuality as "normal," because it isn't. There's a reason that it's been considered "wrong" for, basically, the history of the world. It's only been for the last twenty or so years that the left has been pushing it down everyone's throat as being an "alternative lifestyle." Unfortunately, the right lets the left define the argument of what's right and wrong, then they fall in line with the left.....Look at Warner: twenty years ago he would have fallen right in line with Pace. Now, he's afraid to, because the left's political correctness has turned politicians into pussies!

IF GOD WANTED HOMOSEXUALTIY IN HIS KINGOM, HE WOULDN' THAVE DESTROYED THE PEOPLE OF SODDOM AND GOMORRAH!! READ YOUR BIBLES PEOPLE. THIS COUNTRY WAS BASED ON CHRISTIANITY AND NOW WE ACCEPT ANYTHING. I STAND BEHIND MY COMMANDER GEN.PACE ALL THE WAY. THE MILITARY IS AN ELITE GROUP OF CITZENS WHICH CARRIES HONOR, DIGNITY, RESPECT, AND PRIDE FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG AND WE AS MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SHOULD NOT STAND FOR IT. BY THE WAY, BRING MY FELLOW TROOPS HOME!!!

For Chris Steensma,

Thanks for noting. I see no one has taken up your challenge to contradict the logic I point out in my earlier post. Christians ar the only ones who are judicially forced to be tolerant of other people's views, speech and beliefs. If christians speak out, they are the ones labeled racist, bigoted or as hating some special segment of society.

Any one group can claim that any other group "hates" them simply on the basis that they disagree with them.

Jesus Christ never condemned someone for their behavior. But He didn't accept their behavior if it was contrary to God's word. He witnesssed and preached and taught everyone. But in the end, only those who follow God's word will stay in heaven.

I do not hate anyone. But I believe in God's word that certain behaviors are immoral. That is not hate speech. That is a personal belief in God's immutable word, and does not condemn anyone. I never say that someone is bad or evil because of what they do. The person is not the same as the action. It is the action that is condemnable, not the person. People can always repent and turn back toward God.

People condemn themselves by their actions, inactions, and their beliefs.

Warner has just sung his last song... He would of been better off politically if he would of followed the "Don't ask - Don't tell" policy! Now we know who and what he is... the next election will see him looking for another job!

The General should remember ALL of the "Pledge Of Allegiance." He's got the "one nation under God" part down, but he seems to have forgotten "WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL"

Real soon the people who hold that homo's are imoral and speak out will start being locked up or fined for beleiving the truth of the Bible. You are always going to have people who are christian in name only that do not beleive the Bible which are wolfs in sheeps clothing spreading a false Gospel just like thier fathers who reject the truth. Gen Pace is very correct

What has happened to John Warner, he must be getting senile in his old age, he no longer represents the conservative agenda or morality!
I think it is time we quit coddling gays and
lesbians, let them do their own thing and STOP
trying to teach our children about their life style, if they are so dam sensitive that's their problem. Straight people don't get all that attention. L. White

This subject is quite easily settled without using my religion as a tool, although I do believe in the barring of homosexuals based on my religious beliefs. First, we must discuss the "slippery-slope" theory. In a nutshell it says that if you allow one act, eventually that will lead to a more undesirable effect later on down the line. Now lets apply this to homosexuals being allowed to serve in the military and becoming married. Once that has been allowed, what stops a man or women from marrying two or even ten people? Why is that so horrible, but gay marriage is not? Or Why can't a 40 year-old man marry a 14 year girl or boy? The reason is because we base our entire society on morals and values. Once we leave morals and values out of our system, we will eventually follow the same path that so many societies before us have fallen into were anything is acceptable. It is time we stop living in a society that tells us, "as long as it makes you happy, than its ok."

I am not religious and I could care less what the Bible says about homosexuality but I too believe homosexuality immoral. Not only is it immoral, it perverted, disgusting, dirty behavior. Human beings should know better.

What is the source of moral behavior? Remove God from the equation and we are all just animals. There is no right or wrong, just societal norms. That is what the left wants...no right...no wrong. What then is next?

Gen Pace was asked his opinion. He gave it. How dare he! And the left responds with hate filled vitriole? Now seriously...who is being bigoted and intolerent?

Someone here asked "who died and made him God?" Answer...no one. God is still God. God still declares right and wrong. God has declared homosexuality immoral. Dont fault General Pace...fault God.

And people wonder why the Republican Party and this country are in trouble. Politicians like Warner are the reason. This country desperately needs more men like General Peter Pace to run for higher office. Sadly, the corruption and weak spine required for high office would probably disqualify Pace.

How funny that all of these so called "Christians" seem to forget that it is the same Bible that has scripture that states that slavery is ok, a woman is sinning if she braids her hair. I wonder how many of these folks know that there is atleast one homosexual in their immediate circle of people that they come into contact with everyday? God Bless America and God forgive those who choose to judge!

Real soon the people who hold that homo's are imoral and speak out will start being locked up or fined for beleiving the truth of the Bible. You are always going to have people who are christian in name only that do not beleive the Bible which are wolfs in sheeps clothing spreading a false Gospel just like thier fathers who reject the truth. Gen Pace is very correct

Bravo for the General. It is long overdue to stop pandering to the Gay lobby, especially since their ultimate agenda is not civil rights but acceptance of the lifestyle and shoving it down everyone else's throat. Warner is worried about votes, nothing more - he doesn't have to sleep in the barracks or share the foxhole.

Patricia,

I think your remarks are very beautiful, but not very practical. You state "I believe we should worry much less about what's in a man's pants and worry much more about what's in his head and heart"

Sadly, as a man who tries to be upright, I can assure you that what is in a Man's heart and head is pretty well influenced (and often governed) by what's in his pants. Sweet soliloquies about how we shouldn’t have to wrestle with this debate over sexuality aren’t going to get us anywhere.

I’m astonished how people can’t acknowledge what an excellent compromise exists in “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” While I respect that it doesn’t move the gay rights agenda forward at their desired radical pace, the military has some very realistic concerns about moral (not morality – just a little different). The introduction of openly gay soldiers and the social dynamics of romantic and sexual interest that they would create provides for a whole awesome soap opera of difficult situations. Men who need to trust each other with their lives can’t afford that kind of elephant in their closet.

I do not believe that homosexuality is a moral lifestyle. But, I could share a cubicle with a gay guy and have an acceptable working relationship. I could shake his hand and be pleasant about day-to-day things. I could even listen to his troubles with an ex boyfriend stalking him (although I would be hoping for a very short conversation).

I could not take a shower with him, and I really would not want him in my locker room at the gym. I can only imagine the distress of those soldiers and how their sense of team would be shattered by openly gay troopers among them.

Homosexuality is indeed "immoral." God calls it an "abomination." That settles it for me. I'm proud to be politically incorrect!

"Woe to those who call evil, good, and good, evil; who put darkness for light and light for darkness..." Isaih 5:20, Holy Bible God has condemned homosexuality. The heathens who war against God continually say the sodomites are okay. Ever see a pedophile who wasn't homosexual?

Bravo for the General. It is long overdue to stop pandering to the Gay lobby, especially since their ultimate agenda is not civil rights but acceptance of the lifestyle and shoving it down everyone else's throat. Warner is worried about votes, nothing more - he doesn't have to sleep in the barracks or share the foxhole.

Not immoral?

In summary, sodomites are wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly (Gen. 13:13), are violent and doom nations (Gen. 19:1-25; Jgs. 19), are abominable to God (Lev. 18:22), are worthy of death for their vile, depraved, unnatural sex practices (Lev. 20:13; Rom. 1:32), are called dogs because they are filthy, impudent and libidinous (Deut. 23:17,18; Mat. 7:6; Phil. 3:2), produce by their very presence in society a kind of mass intoxication from their wine made from grapes of gall from the vine of Sodom and the fields of Gomorrah which poisons society's mores with the poison of dragons and the cruel venom of asps (Deut. 32:32,33), declare their sin and shame on their countenance (Isa. 3:9), are shameless and unable to blush (Jer. 6:15), are workers of iniquity and hated by God (Psa. 5:5), are liars and murderers (Jn. 8:44), are filthy and lawless (2 Pet. 2:7,8), are natural brute beasts (2 Pet. 2:12), are dogs eating their own vomit and sows wallowing in their own feces (2 Pet. 2:22), will proliferate at the end of the world bringing final judgment on mankind (Lk. 17:28-30), have been finally given up by God to uncleanness dishonoring their own bodies among themselves, to vile affections, and to a reprobate mind such that they cannot think straight about anything (Rom. 1:23-28), have wholly given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh (Jude 7), must be pulled as faggots from the fire (Jude 23), and have no hope of Heaven unless they repent (Rev. 22:15), which they can't do in their prideful state (Jer. 6:15). They need to hear this truth if they are to have any hope of penitence, faith in Jesus Christ and salvation (I Timothy 4:2-4).

Boy some of this stuff is really laughable! But most of it is just plain sad.
The truth of the matter is simply this: That in the end; all will know and understand the real truth: Like it or not. Me, I perfer to side on the truth as it is written. That way even if when I die that's all there is to it, I've lost nothing. To those who choose not to believe, you risk everything. Because once its over, it's too late to change your mind. And in case you don't understand: I agree with General Pace.

General Pace has an opinion that is at odds with some in this country. So what? Sen. Warner's opinion of Gen. Pace's opinion is more than that. It is wrong for a senator to chastise the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs for expressing an opinion about policy in the military. What the general said is factually correct, to accept homosexuality as moral would be violating man and God's laws. This is not the first time that Sen. Warner has demonstrated his equivocation. More than likely it was done to gain favor with his gay constituents, who permeate the Beltway scene.
I believe that Sen. Warner is becoming a bit senile and maybe he should retire.

I respect General Pace's comment about the immorality of homosexuality. He was obviously brought up with christian values, and he is entitled to have his own personal opinion about immoralities. However, pre-marital sex is also immoral.. or sex before marriage. If he, and those who agree with him, adheres to a high moral standard, should he not also prohibit unmarried heterosexual military personnel to have sex or for any military personnel to have promiscuous sexual lifestyle? Besides, the last time I checked the Bible, those are also immoral.

For those who are taking the moral pedestal, please look into the mirror and ask yourselves that question, and please try not to be hypocritical.

I always knew Sentator Warner was one smart and sensitive man.

Dropping multi-hundred pound bombs on civilians = in the interest of freedom (it happens, look at the Casualty Producing Radius on the weapons we drop from thousands of feet)

Thinking gay people are people with the same rights as the rest of us = evil

ANd that is a good way to summarize the right wing position on everything. You people are destroying the country. Let fire some more Arabic linguists because they like it in the butt... idiots.

I am an atheist. I am in full support of General Pace.

Making a moral distinction is different from hating.

Ethical frameworks are based on values. What do you value?

If you are rational, logical and value human life (as I do), you must make a moral distinction (however large or small) between heterosexual and homosexual behavior.

When our military goes into war, the goal is to kill all of them and bring EVERY ONE of ours home. Social engineering of our military is not consistent with this goal.

Homosexuals are "immoral"? Compared to what? Compared to the HETEROSEXUAL triangle of astronaut Lisa Marie Nowak and al? What about THEIR unit "cohesion"?

People must understand that tolerance and acceptance and hatred are not the same. I can tolerate gays in the military, but I do not have to accept it. But when one crosses the bridge into the realm of hatred...it makes the person who hates as bad as the thing he/she hates. From what I read, it seems the General tolerates gays in the military, does not accept it, but is far from the hatred that I have read on these posts.

Quincy's post - "General Pace narrow minded view undermines the military and usirps the 'dignity' of gay men and women now serving in Iraq."

Pardon me, but I don't see what's 'dignified' about a man bending over and taking it from another man. The General has his opinion and although I don't doubt our gay soldiers' desire to serve their country, it is simply a distraction. Example: Being a jerk is not right, but this doesn't prevent jerks from being allowed to serve. Gays should be allowed to serve in the military, despite homosexuallity being a twisted practice. Let the General have his opinion, don't get all bent out of shape.

does anyone care about the effect on the effect on the troops and their ability to defend our nation? radical left dogooders have no business screwing up the military.

Hmm. ...comments are " reviewed first in an effort to remove foul language ...and unfair attacks"????? really? and Steven calls the chairman of the Joint Chiefs " stupid, moron, jackass etc" ??? so I guess calling Steven nasty, foul-mouthed and disrespectful should be ok. Sounds like Steven is way tooo sensitive, angry, hateful and obviously has a problem with someone, other than himself rendering an opinion, or not agreeing with his agenda......and he gets very angry about it. Gen. Pace was giving his opinion. Call it personal, call it professional. He EARNED the right by being an American, much less an Americam who served his country for 30 years. " Steven" needs to grow up and learn TOLERENCE. Get it Steven?? TOLERENCE. Something you don't have apparently.

Did this hit on some kind of Christian activist search engine or what?

If the military prosecuted every soldier, sailor, airman or marine who slept with another person out of wedlock (which is just as much a court-marital offense as homosexuality is under the Uniform Code of Military Justice), I believe few persons would be left in the Armed Forces. Certainly there wouldn't be nearly enough for us to remain the world's policeman.

For, such adulterous behavior is also "immoral". However, the military often just looks the other way in such cases...probably because so many of those who would do the prosecuting of such "crimes" are themselves, equally guilty.

I think the operative word in all of this is "hypocrisy".

A morals lesson from a man who has made his career a study in how to kill or, worse yet, how to have others do it for him? I think not.

For all those who are against allowing gays and lesbians serving in our armed forces, how do you explain the fact that many other nations -- most notably the U.K. and Israel -- allow gays to serve openly in their armed forces, and those countries have not suffered as a result of that policy. Isn't the U.K. withdrawing some of its troops (some of whom are gay) from Iraq because they pacified Basra? Aren't some of our soldiers fighting along side openly gay British soldiers in Iraq? And, what about Israel? Israel has one of the toughest militaries in the world and does not exlude gays from serving their country. How do you explain that? Are you saying that our fighting forces are not mature and professional enough to handle gays serving along side them? That speaks volumes about your opinion about our military!

So, is John Warner saying that homosexuality is moral? And that having openly homosexual men in the barracks and BOQ's will not have an affect on those who are not? That it won't affect recruiting?

Oh, my. This is the same Warner who was Mr. Elizabeth Taylor, right? Another Hollywoodism...

I take it then, by the "uproar" created by BigMedia, that only homosexuals and their supporters have the right to comment upon others' behavior. "Freedom of speech is only for my side, not yours," or as Orwell said so well, some pigs are more equal than others.

I think we should unleash a division of lesbians at that time of month. The war on terror would be oever in a month.

Keep up the good work General.Senator, start doing your's

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