Bush: A 'sanctuary' violated

What in God's name is wrong with our society? RANDOM violence of this degree does not happen anywhere else in the world, especially not in any other "first world" nation.

No wonder UNICEF just outed our country as a far less than ideal place to raise children. We're doing something terribly wrong.

Hey, nice editing! You left out the part where he reassured us that we all have the right to bear arms!

Sure feels comforting to me!

Um yes it does...

mainly in countries like ours where freedom of access and information is paramount, people commit these kind of crimes.

It is a psychological function -- growing up with all this freedom and knowledge of how everyone in this country is literally "free" to travel anywhere and do nearly anything he or she wants gives people the mindset to do such things, namely because of free-will

Don't mistake my comments to mean that I'm against freedom or democracy or anything like that -- far from it. We all just grow up knowing that we can do nearly anything we want. If the things we want to do are illegal, we also know that we can face the consequences...yet still we can do it.

Growing up in a dictatorship or un-free country (like the former Soviet Union or wherever else) with blocks on borders and access and freedom, gives citizens a very "unfree" mindset -- not thinking for yourself, not making your own decisions, being told what when and where to do everything...that mode of living stays with them throughout brain development...people have a whole different mindset in an unfree atmosphere.

In a free country like this that encourages free thought, free access and free actions...one of the prices we must pay comes when freedom to act however you want becomes to much for some people and they act in a way totally out-of-line with society norms, not to mention against the law -- it's their own fault, for whatever reason, but they have the "free" mindset to do so...

You didn't/don't see many crimes like this in the former USSR, China, Cuba, Singapore, the former Iraq, etc...simply because the access and mindset to do such things wasn't present.

Again, don't think I'm saying that those lifestyles are better because their citizens don't have the propensity to commit such crimes...I'm certainly not -- just arguing my point with the first poster who claimed crimes like this aren't committed anywhere else in the world.

This is obviously Bill Clinton's fault. Just give me a few minutes to think of why.

Bush has no right to talk about sanctuary or the sanctity of life. He lost that position in the world 60,000-600,000 deaths in Iraq ago. Note he got his plug in from the NRA....the spin has already started on all sides.

It will take us away from conversation about the event into our political corners. And then we will be stupid next time and act shocked that it happened again. We are a sick people.

Athena,
Glad you caught that, too. When I first saw Ms. Mouthpiece Perino's clarification of our right to bear arms, I could hardly believe they would use this news to score further NRA points. Sadly disgusting administration.

"snitramc"

Funny joke about Clinton....but what about the REAL comments from those suffering from Bush Derrangement Syndrome seriously using this to criticize Bush?

Oh, that 's right...its not a joke, its sad.

What in God's name is wrong with our society?
Posted by: Emma | Apr 16, 2007 3:53:59 PM

Emma; I hate to break this to you, but our fine country has been averaging about 80 murders a day for about the last 30 or so years.
That is just the bodies we find, God knows how many are thrown into the waters, buried , or incinerated, or reclassifications to manslaughter or justifiable homicide. If I may Emma, let me frame it in context to the Great Society idea of Daniel Patrick Moynihan and the rest of the left wing idiots who successfully created a victim society of entitlements and handouts. Add to that no accountability for irresponsible social behavior and "presto" we are now at, where we are. At least Mr. Moynihan renounced his ill conceived programs before he died. Now if we only get the rest of the looney left to do the same, we can get about the business of cleaning up this mess we have on our hands.

"Bush has no right to talk..."

My first thought was why is he getting involved? Is he just looking for another photo-op, ala his post-Katrina press conference in New Orleans? But upon further reflection, he had to, as our national leader, comment on this terrible tragedy, if for no other reason than to prevent criticism of an indifference to the victims and families. He would certainly be damned if he had failed to express his concern.

"Bush has no right to talk..."

My first thought was why is he getting involved? Is he just looking for another photo-op, ala his post-Katrina press conference in New Orleans? But upon further reflection, he had to, as our national leader, comment on this terrible tragedy, if for no other reason than to prevent criticism of an indifference to the victims and families. He would certainly be damned if he had failed to express his concern.

My deepest prayers go out to the departed and the friends and families of those that lost their loved ones in this senseless tragedy. Maybe we should consider other ways to keep our students safer as they grow into adulthood and we can start to pull this psychotic mindset out of our society bit by bit.

Mr Bush has brought comfort to no one.

If there is a loving God, why would he allow this to happen?? I'm sure the parents of those dead children are asking the same thing.

First, we don't know the facts. We don't know why, we don't know who, etc.

For those that are living to hate Bush, I would think that their nihilistic existence might somehow lead to violence too.

Thank G-d these were Constitutional killings. I feel better already.

Further,

I wouldn't want this psycho 'praying' for me.

What in God's name is wrong with our society? RANDOM violence of this degree does not happen anywhere else in the world, especially not in any other "first world" nation.

Posted by: Emma | Apr 16, 2007 3:53:59 PM

That's not true, last time I was in Japan there was a crazy guy that went on a killing spree... it was huge news there just as this VA Tech thing is.

Only difference is that they don't have repeating firearms in Japan. You can only rampage so many people to death with a steak knife.

But I'm sure the NRA will defend our hunter's continued necessity for AK-47 style machine guns and 50-caliber rifles.

What is wrong with our country and what is wrong with most of you? Instead of focusing on the sad and tragic lives lost today you are complaining about a president expressing his sympathies. He may be your last choice you may hate him for sending people you know to Iraq, but what do you expect him to say? nothing? You are as pathetic and almost as depressing as this incident. Have some prespective and consider that all you are talking about above is how YOU feel. You should be talking about how we stop school incidents like this, and the answer is not Bush's head on a platter. It is decreasing the growing gangs,cults and cynicism in this country.

Al,
I don't think many that post here know what 'nihilism' is,but if you look at the two C.Morris posts directly under yours,you hit a home run.

Paulo

Felicia, this is indeed a "depressing" incident, but it is even more depressing that this administration, via Ms. Perino, has given the impression (even if completely unintentional) of politicizing it with a comment regarding gun ownership. Tragically, the first thing that now comes to my mind over this incident is that comment, and not the very real pain these families and this campus is feeling. It makes me angry that this has happened, but it makes me angrier that our president once again seems to have blown a chance to show true leadership. He should have expressed his sympathies and left it at that.

I would like to express my simpaty to the victims and his families in this time of sorrow, and darkness across every community of our Nation . I cannot find words to describe the feeling of impotence,sorrow, pain and angry, that I have in my heart, and my mind, for this terrible tragedy.

Thank G-d these were Constitutional killings. I feel better already.

Posted by: C.Morris | Apr 16, 2007 6:57:04 PM

Nice.

In other news today, President Bush awoke and wished the First Lady and several members of his staff a good morning. In response, several dozen individuals posting on the Swamp roundly criticized the president for his brazen lack of concern for those in Iraq. "Doesn't he know there's a war going on right now?" commented several of these posters. "There should be nothing good about it all, as far as he's concerned. I know we haven't had a good morning since he was elected. It just shows how out of touch he is with everyone but his NRA and Big Oil buddies."

I was just recently reading about Theodore Kaczinski and his reasoning for using pipe bombs contributing to three human beings' deaths. He gave an anti industrial discussion of industry damaging the environment. I have not read his Manifesto. Upon further examination, Northwestern Tech Institute from articles available on the Chicago Tribune Historical Site had funding from the DOD and had at the time someone who was appointed to run DARPA. Kaczinski also attacked United Airlines and they were involved in shipping cargo or troops in Vietnam according to the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

I expect that they will find some reason the person did what they did. Some kind of grudge, some mistreatment, some mistreatment of his parent, some mistreatment of his family, some anger about some invention at Virginia Tech, some anger about rejection in relationships.

Anger grows very easily. I was threatened with jail or surrounded by sheriffs or police for saying things like

1. Parent had trauma not delusions

2. Judges profit from alcohol sales contributing to deaths of people

3. Judges profit from missile sales associated with deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan

4. Parent exposed to smoke

5. Parent wanted to go the doctor but Cook County handcuffed her

6. Like holocaust reimbursing nursing home and lawyer and not family for food, dental and medical bills

7. Not reimbursing other bills

8. Speaking when someone else was speaking...trying to clarify a response

9. It is ok and not a crime to say "leave me alone" (in Northbrook) The area does profit from missile sales and helicopters blowing up and being replaced.( in Northbrook)

The point is that anger builds from being abused by judges, teachers, friends, family, coworkers.

That is kind of obvious to all of us. Kaczinski's anger probably grew reading about the My Lai massacre. Just think about it, young Math PHD reads about soldiers killing innocent people. He gets angry. He thought he would get back at those who hurt those children. Northwestern being funded by the DOD, United involved in shipping troops or cargo.

Please understand that people do things based on some pain they feel. I am sure the shooter at Virginia Tech was in some sort of pain.

Schools need to recognize that students feel pain and are in pain without taking over their lives too much or interfering too much. I got fired at IIT for asking someone their name and about work to try to help someone; good samaritan activity is sometimes harmful sometimes helpful.

Good samaritan activity is not easy; sometimes the student actually very much wants to be left alone.

I was just recently reading about Theodore Kaczinski and his reasoning for using pipe bombs contributing to three human beings' deaths. He gave an anti industrial discussion of industry damaging the environment. I have not read his Manifesto. Upon further examination, Northwestern Tech Institute from articles available on the Chicago Tribune Historical Site had funding from the DOD and had at the time someone who was appointed to run DARPA. Kaczinski also attacked United Airlines and they were involved in shipping cargo or troops in Vietnam according to the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

I expect that they will find some reason the person did what they did. Some kind of grudge, some mistreatment, some mistreatment of his parent, some mistreatment of his family, some anger about some invention at Virginia Tech, some anger about rejection in relationships.

Anger grows very easily. I was threatened with jail or surrounded by sheriffs or police for saying things like

1. Parent had trauma not delusions

2. Judges profit from alcohol sales contributing to deaths of people

3. Judges profit from missile sales associated with deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan

4. Parent exposed to smoke

5. Parent wanted to go the doctor but Cook County handcuffed her

6. Like holocaust reimbursing nursing home and lawyer and not family for food, dental and medical bills

7. Not reimbursing other bills

8. Speaking when someone else was speaking...trying to clarify a response

9. It is ok and not a crime to say "leave me alone" (in Northbrook) The area does profit from missile sales and helicopters blowing up and being replaced.( in Northbrook)

The point is that anger builds from being abused by judges, teachers, friends, family, coworkers.

That is kind of obvious to all of us. Kaczinski's anger probably grew reading about the My Lai massacre. Just think about it, young Math PHD reads about soldiers killing innocent people. He gets angry. He thought he would get back at those who hurt those children. Northwestern being funded by the DOD, United involved in shipping troops or cargo.

Please understand that people do things based on some pain they feel. I am sure the shooter at Virginia Tech was in some sort of pain.

Schools need to recognize that students feel pain and are in pain without taking over their lives too much or interfering too much. I got fired at IIT for asking someone their name and about work to try to help someone; good samaritan activity is sometimes harmful sometimes helpful.

Good samaritan activity is not easy; sometimes the student actually very much wants to be left alone.

.....and the Republican Evangelicals continue to pray that everyone may have a weapon of choice so that we may have one big shoot out in god's name.....yet these very same people still won't sign up for THEIR holy war in Iraq.

God is not the author or architect of tragedy, yet His name is invoked when events like this take place as if He could have prevented it. Man has "free will" and the ability to tell right from wrong. Few lessons are ever learned from events like this. If they were, the atmosphere would have changed after the shooting of those students on the Texas University campus in 1966. Unless metal detectors and pat searches are going to be established on this nation's colleges and universities, another shooting is going to take place. Someone has already pointed out that America does not have the market cornered on this type of thing. But given the hype about "freedom" and land of opportunity, other nations in the world have good cause to wonder why the Americans can't get their "act" together.

Looking at the ultimate posted here by C Morris, Logic Prisoner and the other committed (or should be committed) members of the Loony Left clearly leaves no doubt that the Loony Left has totally lost it and is in deep need of major psychiatric help. The comments expressed by those of the Loony Left in regard to the horrible carnage at Virginia Tech and President Bush is just as sick and demented as the actions of the man who did the killing.

I'm deeply saddened by the deaths of these people and hope their families will find comfort.

Tim, stop worrying about why a loving God would allow this to happen. There IS no god, and if there was, his handbook has proven he's anything but loving; we're on our own and THAT'S why this kind of thing happens. The sooner people stop putting their fate in the hands of some capricious imaginary being and take some responsibility for their place in the world, the better off we'd be.

As a firm liberal, I still have to argue that we have the right to bear arms as assured us in the Bill of Rights. I'd never want to lose that right, even if people do misuse it. Once ONE right goes, the rest of them are jeopardized.

It's nice to hear from John D in his ceaseless effort to be the poster boy for psychological projection. Have any of you read his latest book, "That Kettle is Black!" yet?

C.Morris, congratulations on being the Ultimate. We always knew you were destined for greatness.

Worst speech ever.

Why can't this man just speak from the heart?? All he did was look back to his notes over and over again!

He's as hollow of a human being as I've ever seen.

Good grief - some of you people really take the cake, you know that? You can't put aside your hatred for the President even for one lousy minute, can you? There are hundreds of people suffering from this gunman's actions... guess what, it isn't about YOU. I shudder to think you have a vote.
I pray for all the victims of this tragedy, those who were killed and those who have to live with this for the rest of their lives.

What few people realize is that comments by the president's press secretary are often directly responding to a specific question by someone in the press corps. After Dana Perino had made her prepared statement, someone asked her if the VA Tech incident was going to cause the president to call for stricter gun laws...she responded by saying she didn't believe his position on gun control had changed (hence the comment about the right to bear arms--a direct response to a question that seemed out of place amidst a tragedy like this).

Watch the press briefings in their ENTIRETY on c-span.org sometime. I watch every single one online (these, and the State Dept. ones), and I am (almost) amused by seeing which 5-second clip makes it onto the evening newscast, as well as some of the nutty questions that get asked. It has given me an entirely new way of looking at the news that we're "fed" by the TV and print media. It's a much better use of my time to go directly to sources.

Cho Seung-Hui's journey to the dark side is complete. While taking prescription medication (SSRI's) for depression, the "troubled" student opened fire on students at Virginian Tech., killing 32 people before turning the gun on himself.

How do I know that Big Pharma is responsible for this carnage? I took the same medication Cho Seung-Hui did.

www. theeffexoractivist.org

This is for Al who made the reference to "nihilistic existence". You actually sound like you are a disturbed individual. This is a tragedy and you and some of the others posting here are looking at this from a political standpoint.

It is sad when there is absolutely no compassion just rhetoric and the usual "crap" from the extremist viewpoints.

Maybe if people were willing to help each other and not turn a blind eye to others in trouble we would have less violence in this country. Naive maybe but worth pursuing, nothing we are doing today has improved the environment we are living in. I don't want to hear about how the NRA is right and people have the right to bear arms, etc. I want to know what we as a country are going to do to try and prevent this from happening again. Apparently everyone has already forgotten about Columbine. We haven't made educational facilities any safer than when that tragedy occurred. The VT tragedy will also disappear from the headlines in a year or so...

Bush is ur president... if u didnt like him then maybe you shouldnt have voted for him.... and on another note it is the presidents job to make a speech about anything that drastic happens to the country.... if he didnt...you all would be ranting about him not caring.... btw he doesnt make his speeches so maybe think about who writes them for him before saying anything about how horrible it was.