Good God, people.
The Surge is working?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6567329.stm

It will take 1,000,000 troops to pacify this country.

Perhaps we would be better off declaring Iraq War III and topple the
present gvmt. More regime change.

Who should we declare war on? The Sunnis, Shia, or Kurds?

What will victory 'look like' ?

Will John McCain be at the meeting to explain how safe Baghdad is these days?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/18/iraq.main/index.html

Emmanuel is not only persistent, he's right.

Oversight is a *****,
sign the bill President Opie!

The wounded troops at Walter Reed hospital are depending on that funding,sir.

24/7 politico Emanuel accusing others of "playing politics" is like Colonel Sanders accusing his chickens of cruelty to animals.

If anybody ever needed a definition of "the pot calling the kettle black", here it is.

I know you are but what am I! Politics! Of course its politics- he says that like its a BAD thing!
If adding pork to a bill to buy votes to get this bill passed isn't politics what is!
$74 million for "peanut storage,"
$25 million for spinach growers
$283 million for dairy farmers.
$4 million for the "Office of Women's Health" at the Food and Drug Administration.
$5 million for tropical fish breeders and transporters for losses due to virus.
$60 million for the National Marine Fisheries Service, "to be distributed among fishing communities, Indian tribes, individuals, small businesses, including fishermen, fish processors, and related businesses, and other persons for assistance to mitigate the economic and other social effects caused by" commercial fishery failures.
$400 million for "wildland fire suppression." These are just a few of the insults to the troops that the DEM congress has added to this bill- disgusting!

If the bill makes so much sense why not make it simple- get all of that extra **** out of the bill, leave ONLY the timeline- and then see if you can get it passed in the house. It wouldn't have a prayer- this goes for Dem and Reps- noone in congress has supporting the war or troops anywhere near the top of their priority list..

Dems want to give the president a bill that is unsignable..
Reps have no politial will to fight it..

I hope Bush sticks to his committment to vetoing this insult to taxpayers and the troops..

My G-d!
Bruce made a joke!

W. and the lockstep Congress took a deficit of $ 5 trillion in 2000,a deficit that took over 100 years to accumulate and nearly doubled it to $9.5 trillion in only six years.

Oversight is a *****,sign the bill Chimpy!

A working stiff voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

Same old, same old in here from the Loony Left. President Chimpy! A working stiff voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders! What imaginations you folks have!

It'ce nice to see Doug Zook has moved from suggesting the Bush administration orchestrated the VT murders to this bit of tomfoolery. Hey Doug, please explain how the Boy Governor's largest tax increase in state history will help the average working stiff? Or how the DemoRat vote in 1993 to tax Social Security recipients helped the elderly?

Let's have a debate here. Is Iraq is mess? Yeah. Should we just pull out and let it get even worse? Maybe yes, maybe no. Will the worst elements of Islamic extremism take control and cause even more problems worldwise? Maybe yes, maybe no. Will Iraq ever stabilize with us there? Perhaos not, maybe someday it will.

Have the Democratic party politicized the war? Yes. One minute they are for it, the next minute they are not. One minute it's the right thing to do, the next minute President Chimpy fooled them into voting for it. One minute they are for the troops, the next minute they add billions of pork to funding the troops.

How far are partisan politics going to go? It seems that all the issues at the forefront of this bill seem to ignore the real issue: there is a war that has spun far out of control and something must be done. I feel it is an insult to every person in the armed forces to have funding that their lives depend on being subject to a congress that acts with the maturity level of 12 year olds. When did it become acceptable to the American People to allow our government to pitter patter with insignificant details of a bill that is essential to so many lives?

Whoa, did I just see Johnny D admit that supporting pulling out of Iraq doesn't make you a defeatocrat traitor loony?

There truly are miracles!

C.Morris's "one million troop" estimate is just about right.
The problem is we have a President and a Congress that doesn't want to own up to that stinky fart.
As C.I.C, the burden is on the President to make that decision.
Bush lacks the courage to do that.
The same can be said of our Congress. No balls.
Congress, instead of inserting language calling for a withdrawl timetable,should have inserted language calling for a reinstatement of a draft to provide the 500,000-1,000,000 troops necessary to
untangle the mess our country has created in Iraq.
And I think the American people have no balls, either. Americans overwhelmingly would like to see an end this thing, but in simply leaving Iraq, we are not owning up to our responsibilty to do the honorable thing and fix what we broke. It isn't relevant whether Bush conceived the war and screwed it up. He is OUR President, and it is our duty as a nation to mop up the mess.

I vote for peanuts over Chimpy's Iraq civil war.

President Opie will probably get his veto sustained this time around but from what I hear the Republicans in Congress are only giving him until August to get his civil war straightened out otherwise his "nation building" days will be over for good this fall.

P.S. I just saved a bunch of money on my Ac/Heating unit bill by switching to RSES services.

Doug Zook,
The dems want to pass the largest tax increase Ever in the history of the United States,some 400 billion.This will cost every working stiff's family about $2,459.00 per year!
You're either a union official or on welfare!

Paulo

Tony, I didn't say or even suggest that pulling out of Iraq does not make one no longer loony or no longer a Defeatocrat. I posed questions that hopefully folks could discuss.

And, John E., glad to see your interest in RSES. The only way you could save money on your heating and air conditioning bill through "RSES services" is by hiring an hvac contractor in which their technicians are trained and certified through RSES membership. RSES is a training and educational association, something you might want to try for once in your life (training and education).

And since you are so interested in my life, who I am, where I work and where I live (just as much as you are into Jeff C's life now), you might want to do some updating!

lil'Jeany Dee from Streamwood?

Doug Zook,
The dems want to pass the largest tax increase Ever in the history of the United States,some 400 billion.This will cost every working stiff's family about $2,459.00 per year!
You're either a union official or on welfare!

Paulo

Posted by: Paulo | Apr 18, 2007 1:57:37 PM

That tax increase is strangely similar to the cost of the war... So it's OK with you Paulo, so long as your $2,459.00 is only used to kill people and occupy countries that have nothing to do with our security?

Whew! So long as it isn't spent on education or port security. What a horrendous waste that would be!

"Tony, I didn't say or even suggest that pulling out of Iraq does not make one no longer loony or no longer a Defeatocrat. I posed questions that hopefully folks could discuss."

Johnny D-

Well, one could hope you had come to your senses. I forgot your definition of discuss is "call names".

And now, it turns out, we may be in Iraq another 30 years. And the Marines want to bring back a draft because they can't get enough quality troops. Note the article from MARINE CORPS TIMES, hardly a leftist rag.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/04/military_groundforces_draft_070417w/

You occupation supporters are going to look pretty stupid in another few years. Best to come to the light side now.

snitramc-

Right on the money. The most important question we need to ask every Presidential candidate who supports continuing the war in Iraq without a time table for withdrawal is "In order to support an open ended military committment in Iraq will you reinstitute the draft?" Yes or no.

If they answer "No" then they're either lying, or do not know what they are talking about, because we simply do not have the forces to continue this level of deployment for much longer.

Chicken! Let's talk chicken. Why did the chicken join the NG? to get out of Nam. Why did the chicken move to AL? To get out of the NG. Why did the chicken start a war? Because the other chicken wanted him to.

The Marine Corps Times mentions a return of the draft as one possibility (but given demographics, it will race up the age scale unlike during Vietnam) but also enlistment of foreigners (not already green card holding permanent residents nor refugees) for immigration. I seem to recall that such a program existed in the 50's and 60's.

Whew! So long as it isn't spent on education or port security. What a horrendous waste that would be!

Posted by: dave | Apr 18, 2007 2:39:21 PM

You got it right on the education part... dave

heartburn, I'd rather Congress spend $800 million in the US and stop wasting $100 billion a year in Iraq. This bill is a bargain if it means we can stop throwing billions away in Iraq. If you really think this war is such a great idea, I'm sure the IRS will let you pay extra to help support it...Any conservatives putting their money where their mouth is?

"Let's have a debate here. Is Iraq is mess? Yeah. Should we just pull out and let it get even worse? Maybe yes, maybe no. Will the worst elements of Islamic extremism take control and cause even more problems worldwise? Maybe yes, maybe no. Will Iraq ever stabilize with us there? Perhaos not, maybe someday it will."

-John D 1:01:04 PM

I can only assume that in his illustrious journalism career, John D must have been a speech writer for Donald Rumsfeld.

Doug,

Define working stiff. From looking at the times that most of the bloggers in post, I wouldn't consider to many people in here working stiffs.

...Any conservatives putting their money where their mouths are?

American Conservative Magazine did. Nearly 18 months ago.

http://www.amconmag.com/2005/2005_10_24/cover.html

Chicken! Let's talk chicken. Why did the chicken join the NG? to get out of Nam. Why did the chicken move to AL? To get out of the NG. Why did the chicken start a war? Because the other chicken wanted him to.

Posted by: Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC | Apr 18, 2007 4:10:21 PM

So, do you really believe that the President has to have served in the military to be a good commander-in-chief?

'Politics' started the war-Only 'Politics' will end it.

Dave,
Sounds like you're looking for a hand-out from the gov.
Increase everyones taxes,you don't care,you're on welfare and don't pay a cent.Do you miss that "free government cheese" since B.J. was humiliated for his failed welfare programs?

Paulo

Define working stiff. From looking at the times that most of the bloggers in post, I wouldn't consider to many people in here working stiffs.

Posted by: Terry | Apr 18, 2007 5:57:10 PM

Touche, Terry. You must be the boss.

TomO

You are missing the point entirely- this is not about where money should be spent- it is about whether or not it should be spent at all, and whether or not a timeline is supported by congress. This bill does neither- it onlyl identifies the COST of buying support in congress.

MY point is that in order to get this bill passed in congress the earmarks had to be added-

the deal went like this--
On the fence congress person 1: I will stick my neck out politically to support a bill that defines an end to our troops being in IRAQ if we can earmark $253M to dairy farmers.
Congress person 2: NO PROBLEM! So I have your support?
On the fence congress person 1: DEAL!

that sucks all day long, and to be very clear I am sure that both Dems and Reps pulled this-

[quote]
Doug Zook,
The dems want to pass the largest tax increase Ever in the history of the United States,some 400 billion.This will cost every working stiff's family about $2,459.00 per year!
You're either a union official or on welfare!

Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | Apr 18, 2007 1:57:37 PM
[/quote]

Paulo, since the National Debt has grown by approximately $3 TRILLION dollars in just the past 6 years, how do YOU PLAN TO PAY FOR IT? Ignoring it won't make it go away on its own. Or maybe we can just keep borrowing from China and passing the responsibility onto our descendants.

SGK, Not exactly what I was asking, but it's good to see there are still some real conservatives who are concerned about the way the Bush Admin throws money around.

So, do you really believe that the President has to have served in the military to be a good commander-in-chief?

Posted by: Stan | Apr 18, 2007 11:17:26 PM

I believe that was the Republican conventional wisdom all the while Clinton was President. But I believe the anawer is no, the president does not have to have served in the military to be CINC. Maybe he should be a student of history, though.

"Define working stiff. From looking at the times that most of the bloggers in post, I wouldn't consider to many people in here working stiffs.

Posted by: Terry | Apr 18, 2007 5:57:10 PM"

Geez, Terry.

That shows how much you know about the new 'sweat shop' American work environment.

Also, some working stiffs actually worked hard and long enough to retire.

heartburn, I didn't miss that. I undestand what they did. I'd like it better if the Congress voted unanimously to stop throwing cargo plane loads of money away in Iraq, but if it takes some peanut storage to get the bill passed, I can live with that. This reminds me of that old Washington saying about being million wise and billion foolish.

That shows how much you know about the new 'sweat shop' American work environment.

Also, some working stiffs actually worked hard and long enough to retire.

Posted by: C.Morris | Apr 19, 2007 9:50:43 PM

If America is so bad, and working in America is now like working in a sweatshop, how did you earn enough or save enough to be able to retire?

The stock market is at record highs. Did your sweatshop offer 401K, maybe you had an IRA that invested in stocks.

The crappy US economy with sub-5% unemployment, how horrible.