Wish we'd seen Rove and Crow

Intentionally picking a fight and acting inappropriate to get it written about, sounds like par for the course from this crew. Rove is going to come out looking good thanks to these two idiots. Too bad. I used to like Sheryl's music. She should stick to doing what she knows. I'm starting to understand why Lance isn't around anymore.

You go girl!

Let's see here:

Sheryl Crow - smart,beautiful,talented

Karl Rove - pudgy,balding,paid GOP liar

I'll take Sheryl Crow's side, at least she hasn't played with our electoral system and helped trump up a civil war in Iraq among other dirty deeds.

From Crow's website:

"I think we are an industrious enough people that we can make it work with only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where 2 to 3 could be required. When presenting this idea to my younger brother, who's judgement I trust implicitly, he proposed taking it one step further. I believe his quote was, "how bout just washing the one square out."

And you wonder why I left Miss Stinky.

Well, it was Saturday, maybe Sheryl hadn't had her Absolut Vodka yet:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/scrow/scrow1.html

Notice also that the global warming warrior travels in three tractor trailers, four buses, and six cars whenever she tours. The environment's lovin' those emissions.

Jeff is so right.
You can't be against global warming if you drive a car (or live in a house with running water and electricity, for that matter).

The only people we can listen to about global warming are those who walk everywhere (but how much energy was used to make those sneakers they're wearing?) and live in a tree house.

Jeff, are you driving the "Red Herring Express"?

If any American has the opportunity, it's their duty to humanity to confront this sturgeon-faced clod exactly as these two women did. Kudos!

Typical leftist liberal hyporcrit. Drives around in huge gas guzzeling tour buses, flys in a jet by herself. This is so typical of the left. Do as I say don't do as I do. Besides we had global warming before, remember the dinosaurs?, Then we had an ice age and now temps outside of cities is actually lower than 100 years ago. But we have peopple like Corw who perpetuate the lie. Typical stupid Americans following her.

I propose that John E., Roman B and the rest of the Loony Left just use the one square of toilet paper. But then you folks had better make sure you never go out in public.

And then we have Sheryl and her proposed "dining sleeve" rather than the knapkin. The toilet paper law and dining sleeve will slow "global warming."

Of course, in 1975 the NY Times said "another ice age was inevitable." Now they tell us "global warming is invetible." Both statements made in certainly based on the science at that time.

And then I love the argument that because Sheryl Crow is hot (though awfully skinny from what I hear) and Karl Rove is pudgy, then Sheryl certainly must be right.

I thought after last week, the LLers said being mean to others must stop???

Cho: 32
Bush, Rove: 600,000 Iraqis
3500 American Soldiers
Bush wins.

Good thing Bush has Rove, cause if they didn't cheat, they couldn't win.
Too bad Bush has killed more Americans than 9/11, too bad for the six hundred thousand dead Iraqis, so let's mourn 32 dead in Va.
Why did WTC 7 collapse?
Where were the jet engines at the Pentagon?
Why did the "Patriot" Act abolish half of the Bill of Rights?
Why did we violate our own doctrine of "just war" to invade Iraq?
Why did we violate the Geneva Convention and the Nuremburg Principles?
Why do Christians support these maniacs?
Could it be about the money?
Biblical verse for Rove:
"As ye sow, so shall ye reap."
Global Warming? How 'bout global murder?

Before forcing a staged-confrontation, this "thinker" might want to consider the following:

- CO2 makes up 5% of all greenhouse gasses
- Man-made sources account for 20% of that 5%
- Auto-emissions account for 10% of the man-made sources
---------------------------
Net: 1/10th of 1% of all greenhouse gas emissions

Blame Water Vapor! It's the largest (by %) greenhouse gas! Ban its use now!! Somebody get me Michael Moore & a movie deal!! We can create a "Our ill-thought viewpoint as a"-Documentary!!!

"Notice also that the global warming warrior travels in three tractor trailers, four buses, and six cars whenever she tours. The environment's lovin' those emissions".

Wow, Jeff,

For someone who rails against "cheap shots" that sure sounds like one to me. Did you get that line right off a Limbaugh rant? I guess you'll be calling for America's truckers to haul all their cargo in Prius' next.

And for the record, I still like Sheryl's music, and Sheryl, and the Dixie Chicks, all outstanding "holler back" girls. You can continue to embrace Karl The Destoyer, I expect nothing less. Maybe he'll arrange a bike ride for you with Lance and W on the ranch.

Big Money Republicans +

Wealthy Big Oil Companies +

Bought and Paid for Scientist's +

Lockstep Republican Followers(John D,Bruce)

--------------------------------------------
= No Global Warming

Its nice to see that the celebrety left continues to out do itself. This is hysterical. ROVE RAGE is alive and well.

m.weiss...nice post. I knew we still had a few angry and derranged lefties out there. I was getting tired of John E. and Roman B. Welcome aboard.

Hopefully you'll only use one square to wipe up after yourself after that post.

"Let's see here:

Sheryl Crow - smart,beautiful,talented

Karl Rove - pudgy,balding,paid GOP liar"

Gosh, John. What does that say about Michael Moore? Is he too ugly to believe, too?

Typical leftist liberal hyporcrit. Drives around in huge gas guzzeling tour buses, flys in a jet by herself. This is so typical of the left. Do as I say don't do as I do. Besides we had global warming before, remember the dinosaurs?, Then we had an ice age and now temps outside of cities is actually lower than 100 years ago. But we have peopple like Corw who perpetuate the lie. Typical stupid Americans following her.

Posted by: Terry | Apr 23, 2007 12:50:58 PM

No, I don't remember any dinosaurs, and since none are mentioned in the The Bible, they certainly did not exist.

Does your head explode when two wingnut fantasies collide so directly?

Hey Terry,
Take off your blinders and put down the Intelligent Design text book. There is no more debate whether global warming is taking place. The debate is how devastating it will be.

As an independent conservative who once supported the current administration and who now wouldn't vote for George W. Bush (or Karl Rove) for dogcatcher, I still have to say that you, JohnE, make yourself look like a complete idiot when you say that you will support Sheryl Crow (in part) because she's beautiful and that you will not support Karl Rove (in part) because he's pudgy and balding. Do your "Ken and Barbie" criteria similarly apply to Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky---and for that matter, Laurie David? And to my fellow rightists posting here and ripping on Crow for her alleged personality defects, you look just as bad. I disagree with a lot of Crow's politics, but if her version of the encounter is accurate, I'd have to say I completely agree with her on the "I am 'American people'" line.

Is this the litmus test to see if you are a partisan hack or not? If you feel the need to defend or disparage either one of these people you must be either a (D) or (R) hack. Or maybe its just a slow news day. Personally I think this one should have been filed under 'who cares' On the other hand it is kind of funny to see people ranting on & attacking one another over absolutely nothing.

I realize you pulled this from Politico, but their unidentified source has zero credibility. Either this person is a witness, and can offer a first-hand account, or this person isn't a witness and doesn't know.

Is this person afraid of being identified? This isn't some secret issue; it's a conversation in a public place.

And Karl Rove hasn't come out and said what they said wasn't true, so it probably is.

There's nothing "cheap" about that shot. It's just cited as all too frequent proof that the Hollywood elite preach we should all live by one standard of rules (emissions rules that would hamper our daily lives) while they blissfully go about their daily lives by their own double standard. To them there's one set of rules for the little people and one set of rules for the beautiful people.

So, no you can't be against global warming when you don't take the most minimal steps to reduce your carbon footprint in your own daily life and that doesn't include using less toilet paper. I love the leaps in logic you all commit, too. I'm advocating that truckers should drive priuses because I think Sheryl should back up her rhetoric. Priceless. Last I checked the truckers weren't telling me how to live my life.

Do as I say don't do as I do. That's hypocrisy plain and simple.

p.s. Dt, I got that line off thesmokinggun.com, not exactly a right wing rag. You may know them as the people that exposed the liar James Frey.

Thanks to all for another amusing war of words, and I'm not talking about Crow v. Rove. When the wingers come out to sing the praises of Bushco et al, they never fail to make me smile. Anyone who could defend Karl Turdblossom Rove from those Mean Girls and their uppity ways is so far out of touch with reality, you just have to laugh.

You know, in this exchange Karl Rove told a baldfaced lie: he said he worked "for the American People."

What a crock. Rove works for the Republican Party, and the GOP should be paying his salary--NOT the taxpayers.

I don't know what they usually use but the bus that they're using for this tour is bio-diesel.

Humans are the virus of the earth. So we quit making greenhouse gases such as CO2, although it is not the culprit. Humans thrive and multiply in a world population that went from 3.9 billion in the 70's to almost 7 billion inhabitants now. Humans need to cut down on breathing so much. Quit exercising so you don't breath so hard and exhale your CO2 into the atmosphere. You liberals need to quit yacking so much...you're contributing too much to greenhouse gases.

So as the human population continues to explode, use up resources and stomp out the existance of other species, Mother Earth will come to the rescue to take care of her own.

Hey Terry,
Take off your blinders and put down the Intelligent Design text book. There is no more debate whether global warming is taking place. The debate is how devastating it will be.

Again the looney left thinks they are right. There are more scientists that believe we are actually cooling rather than warming. As far as dinosaurs A. Blinkin, please visit the Museum of Natural History instead of your next Rave Party.

I sympathize with Karl. It must be so annoying when you come in contact with those other American people; the ones who aren't pre-selected and screened. It's so much nicer when the crowd's made up entirely of fawning sycophants.

When toilet paper is outlawed, only outlaws will have toilet paper.

Has anyone watched Crude Awakenings? This is a much better Documentary than Al Gore/Laurie David's documentary. I don't worry about Co2 emissions so much since it appears that within 25-50 years there will be no oil left to produce the gasoline that's polluting the planet. Let's face it, neither Sheryl Crow or Karl Rove are brain surgeons. But Rove still doesn't get it that he's despised for being so arrogant and deceitful. When the President needed the Best and Brightest, he got Karl Rove instead. Our Misfortune.

Also, I said we should stop calling each other names. Politicians and musicians don't get a pass, though, they've thrust themselves into the public eye.

Silly lockstep Repooplics. Why can't you believe Giuliani or McCain? Global Warming is real. Not one person has ever challenged the data Al Gore presented in his movie. In fact the most often thing that is challenged is his weight. Speak to us w/ facts that show that CO2 doesn't trap heat and human industry does not creat excess CO2.

a blinkin,

You obviously haven't been to Glen Rose, Texas. Wingnut fantasies don't collide, it's all explained here:

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/TXGLEcreation.html

And next time you visit the Grand Canyon, ignore all the signs that say the granite gorge carved by the Colorado is 2 billion years old and the canyon's evolution evolved at the relatively brisk pace of 6 Million years.

It's all liberal, atheist lies. The Grand Canyon is no more than 10,000 years old, and the canyon itself was carved by Noah's Flood!

Cheryl is doing what our castrated journalists should be doing, asking tough questions and demanding legitamate answers. To ease global warming does not mean that you need to stop using your car, it means stopping the use of Hummers and SUVs that get 5-10 miles to the gallon, it does not mean stopping electrical use, it means unplugging items that you are not using. As usual the lunatic fringe of "conservative" thinking is rearing its idiot head again...

Notice also that the global warming warrior travels in three tractor trailers, four buses, and six cars whenever she tours. The environment's lovin' those emissions.

Posted by: Jeff | Apr 23, 2007 12:16:51 PM

Jeff, check your facts, Sheryl Crow is biodiesel buses for her tour which emit less green house gases. Kudos to people like Sheryl Crow and Willie Nelson for trying to get the word out that about alternative fuel sources like biodiesel that can help cut green house gas emissions and reduce our dependency on foreign oil. Now we could only get american automotive industry to embrace biodiesel technology or better yet, biodiesel hybrid technology, rather then begging Bush for government handouts.

Ellie Mae's brother: You can believe global warming is real and still understand that Sheryl Crow is full of it.

Terry said: "There are more scientists that believe we are actually cooling rather than warming."

Oh really? Please provide some evidence.

*awaits a link from Rush Limbaugh's website*

Mary, the only idiot thinking here is pretending that you need four buses, three tractor trailers and six cars to tour the country to play rock n' roll. Willie Nelson does the same thing out of two buses (that use Bio-Willie) and he's a lot bigger star than Sheryl Crow.

Or is reducing your carbon footprint only for the little people?

Jeff,

I'm O.K. with open season on politicians, esp. guys like Rove who are afraid of open debate. The only speeches he gives are at Republican fundraisers or American Legion gatherings where he knows there will be no dissent. Rove is a coward who works his 'mischief' in the shadows. I'm glad the "holler back" girls called him out.

Crow, on the other hand is courageous to campaign for a cause she believes in. As we know from the Dixie Chicks experience, there is a certain amount of risk involved with that endeavor.

The fact that her profession requires several big vehicles for the major productions that all of these concerts are, doesn't make her a hypocrite. But I'll give you this, your implication that it does, shows just how well you've learned from the master slimer, Karl The Destroyer.

Demanding an answer or a conversation by saying "You work for me" is a confrontational and inflammatory way to communicate. It is a controlling and btw--lame, attempt to pick a fight. I'm sure that both of those LL's were doing just that. It was inappropriate and unprofessional...but typical.

KKKarl Rove lied again when he said:

"I work for the American people"

This mouthbreather works for the hardcore Neocon knuckledraggers like Jeff and no one else.

@dt

Yeah, people are lying about the Grand Canyon. Carbon dating is a deliberate farce to try to hide the resurrection of Jesus and the triumph of Noah over the giant flood!

The Bible, a book of fairytales, should definitely be believed verbatim.

Oh, and Karl Rove is the greatest guy to ever walk the Earth. And someone who drives a car can't say anything about emissions... Please.

It's not like Sheryl Crow manufactures automobiles, she tours the countryside. She needs a way to do it. Bringing attention to a problem that one person can't solve when they are unintentionally adding to it is not hypocrisy. I think the government should cut down on emissions and I drive a car, in many places in the country it's not an option. If you don't have the money, moving isn't an option either. Bringing attention to the problem and cutting emissions brings us closer to a solution. Even if global warming isn't true we should probably cut emissions for the sake of our own health. Smog like that of LA is unbearable and unless a solution is devised, will become more pervasive as population soars.

Wake up. Global Warming seems like a religious battle to me so I don't choose sides. Both sides look like nutjobs when they speak this way on this forum and it makes me want to give up politics and concentrate on more useful tasks, like arranging my house in feng shui style (I'm being sarcastic). Then again, maybe that's what this forum draws.

Rove does not work for the American people - he works for Bush and Cheney.

Karl Rove always a charmer. The dark sordid underbelly of the American neo-con nightmare!!!

Joe, check your facts at thesmokinggun.com, Shery is using the Bio-diesel bus for this Laurie David tour (which was only 11 stops at colleges) she's on but does not use them exclusively for her regular tours. It's all spelled out in the contract rider I posted above that's on thesmokinggun's website. Kudos to the muckrakers at TSG for digging this up.

Remember, environmentalism is more than just lip service.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/scrow/scrow4.html

Really!? I can't believe what I am reading from the posts. WHo the heck cares about whether Sheryl Crow got into an altercation with Karl Rove. Crow might be the only one who has been able to get their hands on him. UHMMM..? Where are the "lost e-mails", uhmmm... where are the WMD's in Iraq, uhmmmm...are you sure your not gay Karl Rove? Frankly what bugs the heck out of me is that here we are arguing about the most innane stuff when we should be looking to progress whether there is Global Warming or not! We should be moving forward to leave Iraq and repair the HUGE damage that the present gov't has put us into. We should be asking questions like, Why are we building schools in Iraq when we can't even educate the children we have here in the US? Why are we giving millions to Iraq when the US has STARVING children and famalies in the Appalachians? What about the people in New Orleans? We don't have health insurance in this country, we have sickness insurance! Everywhere else in the world they pay for health and it costs $3.10 per visit, but here where the best medical care comes from our visits cost us $10.58 per visit. Why on earth are we letting a company called Halliburton gets to leave the US and station itself in Dubai, while leaving all the individuals that worked for them unemployed, uninsured and yet they get to take the hard earned money of the US people, govt contract equaling $93 billion dollars, and not pay any taxes back on it. If you want my money your company needs to be located in the US and pay taxes on the riches that you earn! Liberal, Conservative, Green, Socialists, Christian Wacko's, Athetists, pond scum whatever label you would like-WAKE-UP, we as a human race are in serious trouble and it is not just from Global Warming, Terrorists, Liberals, Conservative and pond scum, it is from us and the fact that we have to point the finger at one person or group. STOP THE HATRED because we are all responsible for what is occurring. Step-up to the plate and hold your govt responsible, hold your corporations responsible, hold your manufactorers responsible, but most of all hold yourself responsible for you have had a hand in it too!

To his credit Karl Rove can claim not only helping the globe to warm, but also being a terrible rapper to his list of accomlishments.

Typical mischaracterization. No one ever said you can't drive a car! The question was do you need four buses, three tractor trailers, and 6 cars to tour? You simply don't. I've been on these tours before (with DMB, for instance) and I know that a Soldier Field stadium show can all be fit into two buses and one semi if you're really devoted to being green. Yeah, Sheryl's using the bio-bus on this 11-city GW college tour, but she doesn't always. If she wants to be all high and mighty about it she should use them all the time like Willie Nelson's been doing, for, oh, the last 11 years.

The difference we have, dan, is what exactly the government should be doing about the problem. I believe should encourage behaviors that are good for the environment regardless of whether global warming is natural or not. I agree that Smog like that of LA is unbearable. But what Kyoto and people like Laurie David advocate is setting emissions reduction goals that simply are not realistic. Europe will miss its Kyoto goals AGAIN this year? How's that help anyone?

Any plan needs to a holistic, market-based approach to get real results. Setting unrealistic goals because of Laurie David's chicken little arguments won't do a thing to address the problem.

Jeff, no doubt you would be happier if everyone warning about global warming would shut up, stay on their off-the-grid organic self-sustaining farms and leave the rest of the world to its gluttonous ways. Ain't gonna happen.

Crow is clearly an idiot, and her fauning sychophantic worshipers are as lame as her. Crow knows as much as I do about the climate, and I know as much as the Chief experts at NOAA, and you know what I know, that we don't know hardly anything about the climate, and we have no impact or control on it, it's another sky is falling situation.

so Crow, shut up and sing little puppet, amuse the masses.

especially the liberal masses, which are a plethora indeed.

It is quite evident that the LIBune Swamp censors don't like bad things said about liberals and Democrats. But the Loony Left can call Bush a mass murderer and say he hires male escorts. That is OK, but say something mean about Hillary and it doesn't see the light of day.

Anyway, to all those who diss me for calling many elements on the Left, loony, this example here is about as loony as one can get:

Cho: 32
Bush, Rove: 600,000 Iraqis
3500 American Soldiers
Bush wins.

Good thing Bush has Rove, cause if they didn't cheat, they couldn't win.
Too bad Bush has killed more Americans than 9/11, too bad for the six hundred thousand dead Iraqis, so let's mourn 32 dead in Va.
Why did WTC 7 collapse?
Where were the jet engines at the Pentagon?
Why did the "Patriot" Act abolish half of the Bill of Rights?
Why did we violate our own doctrine of "just war" to invade Iraq?
Why did we violate the Geneva Convention and the Nuremburg Principles?
Why do Christians support these maniacs?
Could it be about the money?
Biblical verse for Rove:
"As ye sow, so shall ye reap."
Global Warming? How 'bout global murder?

Posted by: m.weiss | Apr 23, 2007 1:15:29 PM

Elanor, only if your willing to pull the plow thru the fields, EEE-Haw you ole goat!

Dan,

I'm sorry that my facetious statement regarding Creationism and the Grand Canyon didn't translate well. I knew that my attempt at sarcasm would not be misinterpreted by a blinkin, or others who post regularly here, they're familiar with my personal ideology.

But I've seen you post here often, as well. You don't really think I believe that sh*t, do you? Oh Man, Jeff, John D., Bruce, Paulo, all the other "true believers" are laughing like hell now, seeing me get wrongly flamed for being a Rove-loving, earth-trashing, science-hating, Creationist, wing-nut.

Wow I think it is pretty straight forward, she got into a confrontation with someone she was out matched by. She is a rock star used to having her ego stroked and he is a killer shark.

Everyone needs to relax, she doesnt represent every democrat/progressive/tree hugger (pick a title) just like Rove doesnt represent every conservative/republican/warmonger. Nobody elected either of them.

Actually, Dan and I came perilously close to coming up with a way to TRULY combat greenhouse gas emissions a little earlier in the thread. Check out this report out of the UK:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/22/nclim22.xml

If a significant portion of the public would simply start working from home imagine the huge impact it would have in 1.) reducing commuting emissions 2.) building operations emissions and 3.) general productivity and fuel conservation.

See, we were on to something here.

All people in the "entertainment" field should stick to just that. Don't dare speak for us with your liberal thinking. You want to do some good - give your $ to the people you claim to speak for and stop going to all the fancy parties. You MUST stop telling the average person to keep giving money and drive hybrids (which is a crock!) We obviously dont have the resources you all have. Give the democrats a chance and I guarantee they are just as clueless.
I for one would like to enjoy what I have earned.
Sorry.

I don't understand the right vs left argument on global warming. While both parties have picked sides on whether or not it is happening, didn't God originally put us on this earth to be stewards for his creation? I'm not advocating creation over evolution. The point is if there is a better way to remove pollution and make this world a safer, healthier place, isn't it our responsibility, as commanded by God, to do so?
Why should Republicans consider burning fossil fuels and profit a higher calling than the Christian view that they so often purport to have? Isn't that the case? Do most Republicans consider themselves conservative or evangelical christians? Wouldn't that by default put them in a position to be supportive of the biblical view that we are here to take care of the Earth? Do they doubt the pollutants created by burning fossil fuels as well?

According to the Gallup Poll, Karl Rove's approval rating is a whopping 21%, and that includes a recent 2% uptick (must be a result of his hip-hop routine). Darth Cheney's is still lingering in the teens.

Nevertheless, Jeff is a champion to both of these dwellars of the "dark side". He likes that Cheney "says what he means, and means what he says", and he likes Rove's...hip-hop moves??, I guess. Maybe Bill/Jeff knows something about these two miscreants that the rest of us don't.

Jeff-

Your comments about the incident between Carl Rove and Sheryl Crow/Laurie David have so much passive-aggressiveness and anger behind them...that your point (if there even is one) is lost completely.

The funny thing is that to you, the ladies came across as idiots. But your comments about it seem to display a similar character trait.

Hypocricy in a democracy is a beautiful thing, eh? LOL

Carl Rove has a duty to EVERY AMERICAN INCLUDING SHERYL CROW AND LAURIE DAVID. They are using there names and fame to be advocates for a cause much bigger than themselves. WHICH CANNOT BE SAID ABOUT MANY ELECTED/APPOINTED REBUBLICAN POLITICIANS THESE DAYS... INCLUDING CARL ROVE, BUSH...etc. If Carl Rove didn't want to discuss global warming at an event for global warming then he should have stayed home.

Oh, and just because the reporter indicates that the ladies were trying to get some press over it and thats why the incident occured is not a fact. Unless, I am missing a quote from Crow and or David somewhere that says just that...Did I miss that? No

Watching the idiocy of the american Republican Party these days, is similar to watching the 1 hour sinking scene in TITANIC. Instead of a 3 hour movie, we have an 8 year movie, with one year to go....OKAY!...Can this be over already please!

-Rob S. (Washington, DC)

Jeff:
How can I check the facts at the smoking gun? There doesn't seem to be any facts there. They have a list, a list that is purportedly from one of Sheryl Crow's Tours but no facts. What tour? When? How do we know this is actually real & not some hoax? Should we just take it on faith that it's real as you have? Personally I don't really care one way or another but you definitely seem to or you wouldn't have posted the link twice & mentioned it several more times. So without a single scrap of verifiable evidence you have passed judgment on this woman & disparaged her name, her music & her ethics. What a nice stand up guy you really are Jeff.

BTW: What is the Hollywood Elite? What do you have to do to become part of it? Do you really have to live in Hollywood to be part of it? Or is that optional? is there some kind of oath you need to take or creed you have to swear to up hold?

That's quite a trope you've create there, Todd. Fact of the matter is, Republicans have been behind most of the environmental and conservation milestones in our nation's history. Roosevelt created the national parks system and Nixon created the EPA.

No republicans consider burning fossil fuels and profit a higher calling at all. But what Laurie David is advocating is policies that will set unreachable emissions standards and force coal miners, plant workers and UMW guys to lose their jobs for something that needs more investigation. It's really that simple.

I cant believe that some people here are still arguing that Global Warming is a hoax. Americans are the only population on the planet that still have a huge percentage disputing the validity of this scientifically proven fact.

And some still wonder why the rest of the world thinks Americans are brainwashed and stupid....

"All people in the "entertainment" field should stick to just that."

You mean entertainers like Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Sheryl is doing anything she can to get noticed, just look at her insane toilet paper idea. It's time this hype of global warming came to an end. Check out the science behind it, yes it's true the world is getting hotter but not because of humans. I'm all for preserving the environment but enough is enough. We all need to step up and confront these crazy libs, before were smothered by them.

Six years of Republican control shows the world that conservatives can't run the country.

Four years in Iraq shows they can't run a war.

News reports from Walter Reed show they can't run a hospital.

This article and the comments show all they seem to try to run is their mouths.

What else can we expect from a movement that created "All Talk-Do Nothing" radio?

Karl Rove is just a sore loser and showed it.

Brian

Anybody who actually gets the opportunity to confront Rove (or any of the architects of our misery) face to face should take it. I'm sure these guys are so insulated 90% of the time, it's a world of yes for them. More power to both of them for grabbing the moment.

I think everyone is sort of missing the point here...yes, liberals can be hysterical sometimes, but is it any better for Republicans to be so worthless on the issue of global warming? This is a huge issue that affects both ends of the political spectrum...it wouldn't hurt certain conservatives to stop thinking only of themselves and do some good for the benefit of the entire society. I'm waiting to see if any Republicans will start to get the word out about global warming...I'm sure I'll be waiting for a very long time.

If Rove is going to make policy like the stealth president he is, then he's fair game for criticism of his policies. The dinner probably wasn't the best setting for it, but that misfit is rarely accessible to the people whose lives he's running in his little corner of the imperial palace.

"The argument is over" is a decidedly non-scientific point of view. Peer review research has not resolved this issue, not by a long shot, despite efforts to paint half of said research as bad behavior. What we have succeeded in doing with such name calling is to limit funding for continuing research at a critical time. My biggest issue with the hysterical global warming crowd is this pathological need to assume a precsient view. Most of them know less than I do, and I'm a computer and not an environmental scientist.

From the "National Geographic News" is this recent headline: "Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says". Do little red men drive SUV's?

Yes, the climate is changing. It does that, apparently, every 100,000 years or so. At one point during the last ice age, Greenland warmed about 15 degrees in roughly 10 years. Maybe woolly mammoths refused to car pool?

It's clear that the scientific community is, if anything, shocked that idiots like Al Gore would attempt to forbid research in favor of indoctrination.

I hear you my children.
Hear my commandments,

(chuckles) I sure wish you could see what I see in 100 years of your future...

no such thing as global warming huh?
(slaps head... falls down laughing)

Ahem..
First stop burning oil
Second (and I think I've already said this) STOP KILLING YOURSELFS
Third if your determined to ignore the millions of clues I placed all over the world
Go to HELL. That last is rhetorical since you'll already have created and be there.

G

Anyway, to all those who diss me for calling many elements on the Left, loony, this example here is about as loony as one can get:
Posted by: John D | Apr 23, 2007 4:06:10 PM

Actually I think most people here will agree that we diss you for ranting about the Loony Left because you seem to believe that anyone who isn't in lock-step with you & your beliefs is part of the loony left. Is m.weiss' ranting loony? Yes. At the same time you trust in a guy who gets paid by the Unification Church to tell people Global Warming is fake. So we end up with 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of another. The real funny thing is that you don't even know what most people's political beliefs are when you label them as part of the loony left. Plus you also seem to have this strange idea that everyone who doesn't agree with you must be in league with each other. Just because Jeff says one thing I don't automatically believe that you must think & feel the same way but you make assumptions like that just about every single day.

BTW, still waiting for you to provide some facts about the 'extreme danger' of propane & how it is unsafe to use it indoors. Hey, maybe you can start your own buss tour of the nation to help to inform the public about the 'evils' using propane indoors. Think of all the lives you could save!

Seriously, I do owe you a debt of gratitude. If it hadn't been for you I might not have learned just how energy efficient a propane refrigerator is compared to your standard electric one. Thanks.

Sorry to express my ignorance, but what did Clinton/Gore accomplish during their 8 years on the global warming front?

Hmmm, we have had two freezes here (Illinois) after things got a little warmer. It was also a very cold winter.

I thought with Global Warming, it was supposed to get warmer, not colder.

So, tell me. What is it about David and Crow that makes their point of view so right? Can anybody tell me? Scientifically? Exactly?

What is it about Rove that makes him so bad? Because he is white and a Republican?

The thing is that temperatures have only been truly recorded worldwide for just over 100 years. Mankind has been around a lot longer than that. Can you imagine if today's media was around when the last Ice Age was ending? Can you just imagine the screams of global warming then?

The thing is that scientists disagree about it. The whole issue does not have adequate research
history following it. Crow is ignorant for thinking that one sheet of toilet paper per use of the toilet is going to solve anything, and David is an idiot for her media-play actions. Both chose the wrong time and method to try to talk about their views. Both deserve no credibilty whatsoever. None. End of issue.

The Doc.

Uh, the earth has been through massive ice ages with interglacial periods where the climate was(gasp), warm and mild. During the ice ages, there was so much water locked up in ice that sea level was (gasp), 300' lower than it is now. When the climate (gasp) warmed and the ice melted, sea level (gasp) rose. All this happened without man and will happen again (gasp). Do Al Gore and Laurie David know this? We are now in an interglacial period. The glaciers will once again cover large portions of the earth. Problem solved

After seeing the video of Sheryl's side of the 'confrontation', I think she's a spoiled CA brat. Didn't her mother teach her manners; when you are a party, you don't start fights.

I think that both sides should quit attacking the messengers and begin a serious dialog on what they actually see for themselves. Too much time is spent attacking attacks of other people and this makes the whole argument highly detatched. I am a Christian living in China who is also a liberal. If a person thinks at all they will not be able to find a comfortable spot in all of any of these arguments.

Enviromentalism is the cute and funny version of Communism.

I actually am getting a kick out of the Global Warming hysteria. It's so funny to look at a group of people who are SO convinced they are right....yet look incredibally rediculous in the process. I've never seen such a defensive group of people "The Debate is over" "working for big oil" etc.....Now we have public confrontations by Hollywood folk.

Why are you global warming junkies so defensive when people question a theory?

It's a theory people. Just a theory.

Why would Sheryl Crow even want to be in the same room with Karl Rove?......Al Gonzales I can understand.......he wouldn't recall the incounter.

What is it about Rove that makes him so bad? Because he is white and a Republican?
Posted by: The Doc | Apr 23, 2007 5:44:50 PM

Doc : The reason the Looney Left hates Mr. Rove so much is because Mr. Rove has bedeviled them at every turn. He engineered defeats of both Gore and Kerry, And i haven't seen him frog walked anywhere lately either, much to the lefts' pain and displeasure. Try as they may they can't touch that guy with a ten foot pole.The guy is just way to slick for all these amateurs, he is the quintessential advisor, nobody even comes close. This is what galls the left so much Doc, they know he's good and thats' why they blame him for just about everything. Childish behavior on their part.

"That's quite a trope you've create there, Todd. Fact of the matter is, Republicans have been behind most of the environmental and conservation milestones in our nation's history. Roosevelt created the national parks system and Nixon created the EPA."

This one keeps getting run out there. Did U.S. history end with the Nixon Administration? I'm waiting for someone to defend Reagan's or BushCo's record on National Parks and the environment. The reason they don't, because they can't;

The Bottom Line:

Tons of additional air pollutants permitted to be released by 2020 under Bush's "Clear Skies" plan:
42 million

Estimated number of premature deaths that will result:
100,000

Estimated amount that Clear Skies-related health problems will cost taxpayers, per year:
$115 billion

Days after Bush took office that he reneged on his campaign promise to regulate CO2 emissions from power plants:
53

Days after the U.S. Geological Survey released a 12-year study indicating that drilling in the Arctic Refuge would pose "significant harm to wildlife" that the agency reversed itself:
7

Years that the Bush administration says global warming must be further studied before substantive action can be taken:
5

Number of members of the 63-person energy advisory team Bush convened early in his administration who did not have ties to corporate energy interests:
1

Amount that energy team members gave to Republican candidates in the 2000 election:
$8 million

Percentage of "replacement wetlands" developers are required to create that end up failing, according to the General Accounting Office:
80

Area, in acres, of wetlands, lakes, and streams opened to development under a proposal to end federal oversight of "isolated waters":
20 million

Area, in acres, of Lake Superior:
20.3 million

Estimated acres of public land the administration announced in April it will open to logging, road building, and mining:
220 million

Acreage of California and Texas, combined:
267 million

Number of snowmobiles allowed in Yellowstone National Park this winter, per day:
1,100

Percentage of the 360,000 public comments received by the Park Service that were against repealing the Clinton-era ban on snowmobiles in the park:
80

Percentage of Superfund cleanup costs paid for by corporate polluters in 1996:
82

Percentage that will be paid for by taxpayers under Bush's 2004 budget:
79

Amount at which the EPA historically valued each human life when conducting economic analyses of proposed regulations:
$6.1 million

Amount the EPA considers each person worth as of 2003:
$3.7 million

Average annual number of species added to the Endangered and Threatened Species list between 1991 and 2000:
68.4

Number voluntarily added by the Bush administration since taking office:
0

Grade Bush received on the League of Conservation Voters' 2002 presidential report card:
D-

Grade he received in 2003:
F

Sources: Center for Responsive Politics, Clear the Air, Department of the Interior, Earthjustice, General Accounting Office, League of Conservation Voters, National Park Service, Natural Resources Defense Council, Sierra Club, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service

could all those on the one square plan please only use 1 ply, got to make up for my 6 sheet habit.

"Enviromentalism is the cute and funny version of Communism".

The last time I heard that was when Rush Limpbaugh claimed that the "theory" of ozone depleting the Earth's atmosphere was a communist plot to subvert Western Economies.

Guess all those world scientist that helped reign in ozone emissions were part of the conspiracy, yet somehow western economies survived.

Before "Silent Spring" came out there were a lot of people who thought the notion that DDT could destroy ecosystems was absurd. Was that just a theory too, JD? Good thing that enough people listened to the warnings, or John Ashcroft wouldn't be able to sing "Let the Eagles Soar", because there wouldn't be any.

The vast majority of Americans strongly support environmental causes, does that mean they're all communist? Environmentalism isn't a dirty word as Bush and a small minority of Americans portend. This will all become apparent when the adults are in charge of the White House again.

Why would Sheryl Crow even want to be in the same room with Karl Rove?......Al Gonzales I can understand.......he wouldn't recall the incounter.

Posted by: Billy | Apr 23, 2007 6:50:52 PM

Even rock stars have to clean the toilet every now and then. Unfortunately for Crow, Rove left the table before the job was finished.

what else is coming to brow beat the american people? the sky is falling the sky is falling...give me a break. 2 "hollywood" know-it-alls are speaking on my behalf. what else to be afraid of, avian flu, nuclear bombs in russia/n korea/iran, radical islamic extremists, bush, h clinton etc...live it your way, i'll live it mine.

Why are you global warming junkies so defensive when people question a theory?
It's a theory people. Just a theory.
Posted by: JD | Apr 23, 2007 6:45:19 PM

Thats true JD, global warming is just a theory. Of course, according to science, gravity is still just a theory. The vast majority of people seem to believe that the theory is correct & that gravity exists but the fact remains, it is still only considered a theory. In fact the vast majority of accepted scientific knowledge is made up of theories. And your point here is what?

During my last State of the Union address I admitted that global warming is a problem that WE the citizens of America need to address.

Johnny D.Propane,

Please quit embarressing yourself and our party.

"Of course, according to science, gravity is still just a theory."

Oh, so it must be true! Thanks for clearing that up jj

dt, well, as we all know, if Rush said that it can't be true. Right? Well not only Rush, but the President of the Czech Republic said it just last month.

"As someone who lived under communism for most of my life I feel obliged to say that the biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and prosperity at the beginning of the 21st century is not communism or its various softer variants," said Klaus, responding to questions posed by the two lawmakers. "Communism was replaced by the threat of ambitious environmentalism."

Now I'm sure you'll be a good little lefty and say he's in the pocket of BIG OIL or some other defense mechanism you've set up.

My original point is that you guys are sooooo defensive when someone dares question global warming, that it brings major suspicion. "the debate is over" Really? I never knew we were allowed to debate the issue.

Now remember jj and dt. The people responsible for global warming are succesful people who drive SUV's and eeeeevil capitalist coorporations and Republicans. Now remember to leave it to the govt. to determine what is best for our higher being (mother earth or the state...take your pick)

You know...kind of like Communism.

What a cooincedence!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5350068.stm

Thanks Silent Spring!

Oh wait, looks like WHO reversed its position.
Too bad left wingers still cling to old movies' "science" and conspiracy theories like:

Silent Spring
Bowling For Columbine
F 9/11
An Inconvenient Truth.

Let's see, it took 40 years for WHO to reverse its conclusion that Silent Spring came to.

I bet Inconvenient Truth is de bunked within 20.....maybe 10.

The Global warning deniers here are just like the Holocaust deniers. They say that Libs are communist but they don't know that Communist are more republikan than they could ever think. Because Communist is not a great believer of open mindedness. There is no difference between Communism and Conservatism both are abhorred with free speech and free thinking. both hate liberalism. I bet if Carl Rove has the powers he could have Sheryl Crowe arrested and send to jail. I think the republikan party are on there way to that area. if they can't stand free speech and other view points they will demolished it like in Communist Countries such as North Korea. Bush might hate Kim Jung Ill and Saddam Hussein but he is more like them than anyone could imagine. THE REPUBLIKAN ARE THE REAL COMMUNIST. BECAUSE THEY HATE FREEDOM AND THEY HATE LIBERTY.

I'm sure it's no coincidence that all these clueless cons are blowing-off the dire warnings of thousands of the worlds' top scientist as no more credible that a children's' tale. Must be Rove's latest tact, appeal to the ignorant, give them something they can grasp like, "Chicken Little". Happy Earth Day fools, hope you built on the high ground:

http://www.cagle.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/archives/keefe.asp?Action=GetImage

This is great Sheryl and Laurie make Rove look like the moron he is!!!

I do disagree with one square of toilet paper; How can one square clean-up all that's left behind from the Bush administration once he leaves office?

Anybody care that we are at the peak of the 11 year solar cycle?

Anybody bother to find out what that means?

Anyone take a day to reasearch anything or just repeat what you hear by "activists" and / or "entertainers"?

Last time I checked we lived in a country where we had the rights to a free press and had the right to free will. When did we all move to the United Lemming States of America?

Some of those who post here should really back away from the political ties and take the time and effort to do some small research.

But then again what do I know, I actually bothered to read each post in it's entirety before i posted....

Sorry to ask again, but no one has answered (other than a reference to snowmobiles). What did Clinton/Gore accomplish that led to a measurable reduction in global warming?

No one-square limit for Karl Rove and the BuschCo crew: they can wipe with thousand-dollar bills.

"What did Clinton/Gore accomplish that led to a measurable reduction in global warming?"

Good:

He retained the ban on offshore oil drilling in California; increased funding for solar and renewable energy; mandated federal agencies to buy recycled paper and other materials; supported aid to international family-planning programs; and signed legislation reserving the California desert. He also vetoed many anti-environmental bills, at the cost of twice temporarily shutting down the federal government.

Bad:

A lot of environmentalists lost faith in Clinton because he didn't follow through with many of his promises, and they expected him to do a lot more because of the previous decade. In the end, he only did a few good things, leaving environmental groups like the Sierra Club "disappointed".

BUT...

Even doing NOTHING for the environment is much better than Bush's horrendous checklist of environmental destruction, only a small portion of which someone posted above (1st 3 years in office?).

Of course, your question is worded to include the word "measurable". Isn't that the issue here? Most, if not all, scientists that have measured the effects of global warming can give you "measurable" proof of our impact, but those loony liberals are instantly dismissed by you and the uptight citizens brigade. Sadly, Rush's ruler holds much more sway for accurate measurements in this country's disillusioned majority(?) than the results of world scientists.

Sorry to ask again, but no one has answered (other than a reference to snowmobiles). What did Clinton/Gore accomplish that led to a measurable reduction in global warming?

Posted by: dbolin | Apr 24, 2007 1:06:17 AM

dbolin: The reason the left didn't respond is because they didn't do anything, unless one considers' Bubba chasing skirts for 8 years, and Big Al stuffing quarter pounders down his pie hole and creating an inordinate amount of methane gas , accomplishing something, As usual it's all Geo. Bush, and the "boogeyman" Karl Roves' fault.

It's amazing the faith some of you have here- if only I could have have a faith like that!! Oh, I don't mean faith in God, it's the Blind Faith you have in the environmentalist zealots!! The debate is whether global warming is caused by man, but the leftists think that is non-debatable, and we are the only ones pointing out the emperor has no clothes, but we're the loons. OK. Sure. Global warming, cooling, man isn't powerful enough to change it. The goofs want to reduce the quality of life for a Don Quixote attack on a windmill, that will only make them feel like they've done something. Tell Crowe to stop driving around the country polluting the air and using my resources, and she and Alec Baldwin, Kim Basinger et al can live on some far away island however they want. Probably should leave Baldwins daughter behind; she still has a remote chance of being normal.

Republicans seem to understand (and live by) "you've got to spend money to make money." The same can easily be said of celebrities travelling in buses. The truth of global warming must be spread even if it does involve burning some more fossil fuels. Any idiot should understand that such usage is an extremely small amount compared to the number of rich idiots driving to the supermarket in giant SUVs.

Sheryl Crow IS HOT!

"Hmmm, we have had two freezes here (Illinois) after things got a little warmer. It was also a very cold winter.

I thought with Global Warming, it was supposed to get warmer, not colder."

Posted by: The Doc | Apr 23, 2007 5:44:50 PM

"The chill of recent days is chipping away at this winter’s impressive temperature surplus. Since the first of the week, the season has slipped from 15th to 20th mildest as its average temperature has dropped 1°.
Ten states to Chicago’s west are being whipped by gusty winds which have prompted wind chill advisories.
--By Tom Skilling, WGN-TV Chief Meteorologist"

Sorry The Doc, your claims don't hold up to the facts. This was not a "very cold winter".

I haven't laughed at a post that much in a long time. I'm still trying to get the image of Big Al pounding QPw/Cs out of my head. Good one, Don.

p.s. The answer is nothing. Clinton couldn't get one Democrat U.S. Senator to vote for Kyoto.

"The truth of global warming must be spread even if it does involve burning some more fossil fuels. Any idiot should understand that such usage is an extremely small amount..."

My impression is that the Crow/David bus tour undermined the global warming cause as has the Gores excessive electrical use.

Jethro, when was that comment from Skilling?

Anyway, here is reality. The September-November time period was one of the coldest Falls in recorded Chicago history. December to the middle of January was quite warm, putting the winter in the 10 mildest Chicago winters. The month of February WIPED out the surplus from December and January. The winter period of December-February ended up a statistically average Chicago winter.
March started cold, in fact one of the coldest March's ever, but the last half of March was warmer, putting March into surplus territory.

Despite a few nice days, and an incredible weekend, April has been colder than average.

The U.S. Northeast? One of the coldest winters and springs on record. The Southwest? Despite one very warm week, the Southwest has been cooler than average.

Those are the facts, "weather" you like them or not!

Malaria Victim,

The article you quote doesn't discount the findings of "Silent Spring" at all. There is no question that wide-scale outdoor spraying of DDT is harmful to wildlife, this has been proven conclusively.

What the WHO administrator said was that INDOOR application of DDT to combat mosquitoes was safe and effective, not quite the same thing.

"Indoor residual spraying is useful to quickly reduce the number of infections caused by malaria-carrying mosquitoes; it has proven to be just as cost effective as other malaria prevention measures, and DDT presents no health risk when used properly."

Now if we could just figure out what's killing all the honey bees.

"The truth of global warming must be spread even if it does involve burning some more fossil fuels. Any idiot should understand that..."

Only an idiot would follow someone that demands everyone else to do one thing while they do the exact opposite.

OK, OK, enough with trying to use today's weather to detemine if global warming is real or not. That the atmosphere is warming seems to be a correct statement. Whether humans caused it or not is the question that needs to be answered before we do anything drastic or stupid. But that can't be answered by us on this board. So, I'll tell you what: How about those who question global warming refrain from using cold winters as evidence against global warming, if, in return, those who stand behind the theory stop using hot summers as evidence for it. Please?

JD,

I don't think I'm being defensive on the issues regarding the Earth's health, just practical. I liked my freons as well as the next guy, but when scientist produced overwhelming evidence that CFC's and halons were depleting the earth's ozone layer (I misstated above using the phrase ozone emissions, rather that ozone depleting emission's), It seemed reasonable to find other solutions. Even a dog knows enough not to crap where he sleeps.

Nor do I think corporations are evil, by nature. Some, like the energy industry, are just more concerned about short-term profits than the long-term sustainability and health of the planet and it's inhabitants.

The reason that "evil" government has to get involved with matters of vehicle emissions, coal-fired plant emissions, chemical effluents, plant safety, etc., is because corporations have little incentive to police it themselves, their concern is primarily to the "bottom line".

In my home state, formerly praised for its clear mountain air, and abundant sparkling streams, the effects of pollution are everywhere. The air pollution index is one of the highest in the country. People are advised against eating too much of our native trout and other fish due to dangerously high levels of mercury. Cases of asthma have quadrupled. These harmful affects don't spare "successful people" either, whether they chose to acknowledge it or not.

We're all in this together, you know. One can only act upon the best information out there. I chose to give more credence to the scientific community's findings rather than Limbaugh's rants of communist conspiracies. Then there are those who prefer "stay the course", consequences be damned. We've all seen where that leads us.

dt,

"Now if we could just figure out what's killing all the honey bees.
Posted by: dt | Apr 24, 2007 11:48:08 AM"

Get out the feather dusters, folks, we are going to be pollinating our own crops instead of exploiting the worker bees labour!

Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase, 'your personal pollinator'.

'Honey, I have to go to the ADM camp to complete my pollination duty. I'll bee back home in August.'

Maybe the 'Beehive State' is cornering the market on honeybees?

JB,

You're onto something there, it's actually the "extremes" that scientist point to as the effects of global warming, that and changing climate patterns. The Pew Center has a good site that helps to dispel some of the misconceptions:

http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/facts_and_figures/index.cfm

JD:
I love people like you who KNOW so much. You know what my political party affiliation is, you know what end of the political spectrum I'm on & you know what I believe about global warming. You KNOW all these things without my even telling you. Try reading my posts just a little harder next time. Plus you rail on & on about 'having a debate' but you start your so-called debate by equating environmentalism with communism. Somehow its seems that when you are talking about people who have already made up their minds it's actually you that you are referring to.

What did Clinton/Gore accomplish that led to a measurable reduction in global warming?
Posted by: dbolin | Apr 24, 2007 1:06:17 AM
Nothing. And this is relevant today how?

The U.S. Northeast? One of the coldest winters and springs on record. The Southwest? Despite one very warm week, the Southwest has been cooler than average. Those are the facts, "weather" you like them or not!
Posted by: John D | Apr 24, 2007 11:00:08 AM

Where do you get your info from? You might want to actually do a little fact checking BEFORE posting as it might actually help your credibility just a little bit if you posted something that was even close to being accurate.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/feb/feb07.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/01/AR2007040100644.html

Maybe the 'Beehive State' is cornering the market on honeybees?

The sad thing is, if it didn't mean the price of almonds, or some other agricultural commodity would go through the roof, a lot of people wouldn't give a sh#t, one way or another.

I wonder what Richard Pombo would say.

One time aspiring weatherman Johnny D,
Tom Skilling posted that blog entry 02/01/2007.

"The winter period of December-February ended up a statistically average Chicago winter.

Those are the facts, "weather" you like them or not!"

Posted by: John D | Apr 24, 2007 11:00:08 AM

Really Johnny D? NOAA says this was above average in temp between December and February. The statistical average is 25.5 degrees. The average this season was 26.6 degrees. Was your sloppy reporting of weather facts why you never became a journalist or a meteorologist?
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lot/?n=CHI_winter_temps

Jeff,

My point on truck drivers and Prius' was that the tractor trailer is essential for truckers to perform their jobs, just as it is for rock stars to perform theirs, rigs for equipment, buses for performers and crew (don't know about personal cars, that sounds like an extravagance).

I'm sure, for different musical groups, the size of the group, the type of equipment, the scale of the production, the size of the venue, all dictate, to some extent, the number of trucks and buses they need to employ. When I saw the Stones, their production was massive, as was their convoy of vehicles. CS&N, different story.

Shotgun Willie, I love the guy, but he's not the draw he once was and his productions are more on the scale of CS&N these days, so who's to judge these groups on "greenness". I mean, I honestly don't know if Kenny Chesney exhibits more green-conscious behavior than Crow, but I'm not sure the number of tour buses used by each is a fare measure.

Anyway, what concerns me about the attack on Crow and the so-called Hollywood elite, is that there isn't a single soul from this group that can speak out about a serious national issue without being personally drilled by right-wing pundits for some perceived hypocrisy, never mind the validity of their message, or the personal efforts they've made to curb their own excesses. Someone will always dig up some "transgression" to completely discredit them. This is neither fair nor productive.

My wife drives a small SUV to work, does that mean I'm a hypocrite to speak out for curbs on global warming?, I don't think so. My wife works in the mountains next to a ski resort and access can be treacherous, 4 wheel drive is often required to negotiate the canyon in winter. My wife did convince her boss to let her work "remotely" 2 days a week, thereby reducing her "carbon imprint". She car pools when possible. I think we've been responsible, but could we do more? Sure. If I could afford it, I'd buy a hybrid 4-wheel drive vehicle. If there were public bus service up the canyon, my wife would park and ride. But at least we're trying.

Where I used to work, kids would drive their cars to school, many of whom lived no more that 2 blocks away. I know this, because I knew the families, and their kids. Telling kids this is unacceptable behavior may be "telling people how to live", but it's responsible, and the right thing to do. Ignoring this wasteful behavior is bad for the environment and bad for kids waistlines.

Jethro, dear, here is Tom Skilling's report dated Feb. 26, 2007. Notice how he says this winter was a "statistical wash" temperature wise with a "surplus" of 0.1 degrees!

February 26, 2007
9th coldest February in 137 years; 4th snowiest since 1929
The cold, snowy weather of February 2007 has extinguished a once formidable 6.4° winter temperature surplus and done so with remarkable speed. What was once one of the 9 warmest winters on record in Chicago only 6 weeks ago will go down in the books with a meager 0.1°surplus as the season closes Wednesday night—a statistical “wash.”
Not only has February been cold, it’s been snowy. The weekend’s 3.0" at Midway and 4.5" at O’Hare brings each observation site’s February snowfall to 21.1" and 20.1" respectively—nearly three times the monthly norm. Midway’s tally ranks 4th heaviest of all Februarys since 1929.
The weekend storm spared Chicago the blow it delivered in terms of snow to Wisconsin and Minnesota. Had the 1.13” of moisture delivered by the weekend system been snow here, more than a foot would have fallen. North and west suburbs recorded the largest snow totals —including 11.4" at Antioch.

--By Tom Skilling, WGN-TV Chief Meteorologist

Poor, poor, little Jethro. Guess you have a lot to learn, huh?

dt, you do admit, though, that it's telling other people how to live, don't you? Whether it's responsible or not? So, yeah, you're darn right we'll call out the Hollywood left when they make hypocrite statements. I, personally, don't care what any of them have to say. They're not politicians or thought leaders, they're musicians and actors. I'd as soon ask their opinion about climate change as I'd ask my mailman and the mailman would probably know more about the science.

Just because you have the forum that the public eye provides doesn't mean you know what your talking about and it's Crow's assertion (if anyone's seen the video, they know who the aggressor was) that she does. That's my problem with her little movement. Her opinion is no more important than yours or mine and if she has the right to use her popularity to pretend that it is, I have the right to refute that.

Most Americans loathe it when entertainers try to do this sort of thing. I still like Sheryl's music and I'll keep buying it, but just for the quality of her music. Her opinion on global warming is as valid and informed as anyone's. Which is to say, no one's.

Face it, the entire reason her and Laurie David tried to pick a fight with Karl Rove was to get media hype from the story written about it. Don't you find that just a little reprehensible?

Yo, MC Rove Raps! (Again)

http://www.dailygut.com/?i=2610

Jeff,
(first let me say I can't stand Cheryl Crow)
How has she used her popularity to pretend that her political views are more valid than yours or mine?

John D., you obviously don't understand what our friends on the Left have been trying to tell us.

According to them:

If it's warm, it's because of global warming.

If it's cold, it's because of global warming.

If it's dry, it's because of global warming.

If it rains, it's because of global warming.

If it's snowy in February, it's because of global warming.

And a trend that's been going on since 1975 is all George Bush's fault.

When will you ever learn?

JJ

"What did Clinton/Gore accomplish that led to a measurable reduction in global warming?

Nothing. And this is relevant today how?"

I simply was asking for some historical perspective. Didn't mean to take us beyond the bounds of this focused discussion.

db

Jeff,

If, in fact, the motive of David and Crow was to get an article written, yeah, I agree that wasn't the proper forum. But, I don't accept, as fact, that this indeed was the case. It's certainly possible with Laury David, since her passion causes her to be very aggressive, IMO. Crow, I don't believe, was looking for a fight, or publicity. I think she just didn't appreciate being summarily dismissed by Rove.

As far as entertainers using their notoriety as a forum, I see no problem with it. I think that any American that disagrees with the direction this country is taking, should only shut-up if they've; failed to vote, failed to write their congressmen, failed to use all the means at their disposal to enact positive change. If they didn't, how could they live with themselves?

It would be easier for George Clooney to hang out at Lake Como and enjoy his considerable wealth. Why should people resent him for trying to bring attention to the situation in Darfur? What does he have to gain from this endeavor but criticism from people such as yourself?

Your position here puzzles me. You folks dismiss the advice of world renown scientist, you despise the "Hollywood Elite" for speaking out on issues (unless it's Tom Cruise, the "new messiah" speaking of his certain ascension to planet Gorzon IX), yet you passionately defend the biggest screw-ups in recent history, Dick Cheney and W Bush. Guess you're more attuned to the "Bush Science Guy":

http://www.denverpost.com/keefe/ci_5655077

Too bad. I used to like Sheryl's music.
Posted by: Jeff | Apr 23, 2007 12:01:39 PM

I still like Sheryl's music and I'll keep buying it
Posted by: Jeff | Apr 24, 2007 3:30:17 PM

So you used to like it, then you didn't & now you do again?

Didn't mean to take us beyond the bounds of this focused discussion.
Posted by: dbolin | Apr 24, 2007 4:54:55 PM

Sorry, you kept asking for an answer to your question & I thought you were one of those people who like to lay all the worlds problems at Clinton's feet or use some action or inaction by Clinton as some excuse for the current occupant's behavior.

John D:
Aren't you the same guy who was having a problem understanding the difference between weather & climate just the other day? Do I need to post those quotes for you?

JJ, I think I understand weather and climate more than you do. I've asked this question before and you loony leftists refuse to answer: What is the difference between climate and weather? Answer these as well: Can you have without climate? Climate without weather?

Please explain weather and climate.

While you're at it, please explain the historical temperature cycles of this planet? Explain how increased solar activity and flares also affect Earth?

In about 18 months Georgi-Boi & his Lil-buddie Carl will finally be put out to Pasture. Sheryl will be just as popular as ever. Bye, Bye Georgi-Boi & Lil-Carl & thank the Lord they're finally gone.

Why must you leftist quislings accept full score the rantings of Cheryl et al? If she were as pure in thought and deed as she professes, she would abandon the "one square left behind" for a cleansing modality utilized by her intellectual equivalents, all cats and dogs. Instead of wasting one precious square, dear Cheryl should simply scoot her soiled perineum across the carpeted floor of her tour vehicles as an inconvenient buffing. Ruff, ruff.

Au Naturel,

You should give that line to Leno, I'm serious. I like Sheryl, believe in her cause, but that was some funny stuff. Leno's been slipping lately, he could use some new material. Peace.

It's so sad to read some of these posts. Why do conservatives have to resort to name-calling like "loony leftists" and "leftist quislings" (Def: A traitor who serves as the puppet of the enemy occupying his or her country.) IMO, this is reprehensible, and I see the same rhetoric tossed around by right-wing talk show hosts, that liberals are traitors, communists, terrorists, fanatics, etc... It's immature, childish, and reminiscent of the McCarthy Era. I mean, we have a serious global issue here, and all these comments reek of stubborn denial. You can't dismiss and then insult the world's scientists just because they don't agree with you. To me, this seems like more of a religious issue, and I don't think any of your minds will change, because you live in a bubble, a fragile bubble that will pop someday but a bubble nonetheless. I am stuck somewhere in the middle on this issue, but it's plainly obvious that humans have been contributing (albeit a fraction) to global warming over the last 200 years. You don't have to change the way you live your comfortable lives, but why can't you Rush fans engage in a mature dialogue without namecalling and opinionated insults? If you disagree, fine, but say why and support your information, perhaps politely denouncing others' opinions instead of dismissing them as "crazy". Trust me, your world will not fall apart if you learn to be open-minded, and reach mature compromises in discussions. You can engage intelligently with different people while still sticking to your guns. America is a free country and you have no more right to accuse liberals of being traitors to their country for speaking their beliefs than anyone has of accusing you of the same for speaking your mind.

Enough about the Sheryl Crow comment about the toilet paper. If you have actually attended one of the seminars you would know that she was saying using one square at a time sarcasticlly, in a joking fashion. It always upsets me when people take things out of context to give someone a bad image.

Is it just me? I don't remember Karl Rove being elected to public office? His responsibility is as an advisor to the President. So while we pay his paycheck, I hardly consider his job as working for or answering to the American people. It's obvious that Crow and David's intention was to confront Rove, which was inappropriate at this juncture - regardless of your politics. It would be just as inappropriate if Pat Robertson went up to John Kerry or Obama at a party or while eating dinner and asked him to review his stance on abortion (and they are elected officials).

Is it just me? I don't remember George W. being elected to office either. And why is it inappropriate to question your public leaders, appointed or elected? Someone with that much power over this country's decision making should at least answer for himself and not be rude about it, especially considering the current Rove investigation. I mean, he has a LOT to answer for, and I'm surprised we haven't seen him in the spotlight more often, save for a great hip hop act. The inappropriate thing, IMO, was for her to grab at his sleeve. A man like that probably hates to be touched, especially by a granola-eating communist with a secret agenda to make the world a better place for our great-grandchildren. The nerve of that wacky washout and her legion of mad scientists. But anyway, your argument holds no water. Environmentalism CANNOT be compared to the issue of abortion, which is very delicate and personal and should not EVER be mentioned in a dinner setting, unless you want to be the biggest facehole in the world. My god, these thought processes!

Al Gore is a extermy annoying liberal demacrat who should go soak his head in cement