Rev. Jerry Falwell, 1933-2007

I guess I have to come up with something good to say about Mr. Falwell... I'll get back to you on that one

Good riddance. One less nasty theocrat in the world.

My sympathies to his family.

This RR hypocrite is going to be surprised when he gets to the Pearly Gates and they tell him he didn't make the cut.

A man who preached hate, intolerance, and bigotry has died. That is all that truly needs to be said.

An ACLU femanist pulled the trigger and a gay lesbian was holding the gun, I just know it.

Condolences to the Falwells. For one who had heaped nothing but scorn for anyone who was not Christian, not conservative, not Republican, not sexually straight, or perfect, Rev Falwell shure made a name for himself. And a lot of money, too. His homegoing (I guess Christian Conservatives call it that)is certain to attract all the rich, conservative fat cats, men of the cloth, from far and near.

I hope Pat Robertson goes to visit his dear friend very soon.

His time of intolerance of others is over !

His Liberty University legacy lives on in the Bush White House. Ya won't have Jerry Falwell to kick around anymore!!! Wait that was Nixon...same difference. We can only hope at his funeral they play John Ashcroft's rousing hit song "Let the Eagle Soar." Soar on Jerry!!! p.s. we liberals will miss ya.

NOT

Good riddance to falwell, one of the most dangerous, evil, and hypocritical religious "leaders" of our generation. I can't speak for all, but I know many of us will NOT miss him!

Ah, so far just one comment, but why am I NOT surprised that a Loony Secular Lefter is a wise ass over someone dying?

Let's see, if Bill Clintoon were to die, what good could I say about him? Hmmmmm, well he was good at getting certain oral sex procedures in the Oval Office from interns.

Hmmm, if Jesse Jackson were to die, what good could I say about him? Well, he was great at shaking down American businesses for his and his family's personal gain!

Gee, this is fun!!

I can say something good.
Um ...
Jerry Falwell's death will be a great benefit to the United States.
Ahh, forget it.
We finally are rid of one of the most polarizing, divisive, deceitful, dishonest, self-important Americans in our history.

How about saying wow- a man who actually lived what he preached and who had a passion for good!
Very hard to find these days!

^ I second that.

Thank God He's Gone!

Such a bastian of intolerance. And he called himself a Christian?

My prayers are with the Falwell, family friends, and congregation at this difficult time. May the very hope of Glory carry and comfort you. Soon and very soon we will see all those who've gone asleep in Christ.

One Down,... about three to go.

finally, that fat idiot is dead.

Well, the Reverend had faith. There's no doubt about that. He really believed in what he believed. The problem is that he had no regard for other people's beliefs. That's one of the problems with religion. If you think you are "right" and everyone else is wrong, what discussion can you have?

I can only think of one good thing to say about Mr. Falwell, and that has to do with his passing.

Speak well of the dead. Well, he's dead.

He should have used faith healing instead of those secular humanist "fizzishins"..

I feel for his family but would love to see Rev Falwell greeted in heaven by a female God. Can you die twice?

Are you kidding me??? McCain has lost his mind - I know he's desperate for votes - but how low can you go? Human loss is always a great sorrow but this was no loss what so ever. I hope that at the end he regreted every hateful and spitful thing he said to millions of people. Yea "distinguished accomplishment who devoted his life to serving his faith and country" .. right so everyone in the world can see America is really the land of bigots and racist...

do you even think he himself made it into heaven? All he seemed to preach was hate, and exclusion.

While I wince at the admission, I am glad he is dead. The social policy of intolerance and fundamentalism that he represents, of selfishness and bigotry, are far far outdated for today's America. I hope there is Gatorade where he is going.

I blame lesbians and abortion doctors for the death of Rev. Falwell.

Bye bye and god speed to your maker. (anyone think this will cut down on the number of incompetent Liberty U. lawschool grads placed in the US Justice Department?)

Ding, dong. :)

Jerry: "Gee God, sure is hot in here."

Satan: "Yep."

There IS nothing good to say about him. Good riddance, and I hope your "movement" dies with you.

maybe now he knows the truth and will repair the damage that's been done.

I could come up with a few things to say, but they wouldn't be very Christian.

McCain doesn't represent me - THANKFULLY! Amen to the good news - the 21st Century is no place for hate-mongerers...

I'll bet I ripped off more people than he ever did. Right Milty?

At a time in the history of our country where it's becoming more and more politically dangerous to BE a Christian, a man like this will be sorely missed. It takes a lot of bravery and fortitude to stand up for the Freedeom OF Religion, and every brave person who does so this day is worth honoring. We should all thank him for his efforts in keeping the spirit of our Bill of Rights intact.

Church v. State,

May I suggest, "he's dead"?

How about a best-of-hate-messages special on t.v. to commemorate?

Let's remember that according to Falwell, the attacks on 9/11 happened because of the American Civil Liberties Union, abortion providers, Pagans, feminists, gays and the lesbians, and the People For the American Way. Interesting that God would choose Muslims to deliver that message.

I wonder what Falwell did wrong to make God strike him down? Maybe being a bigoted, self-righteous hypocrite had something to do with it.

A real wonderful riddance to a big world of bigotry. Long over due.

Thank GOD he is gone! Jerry Spivey.

Falwell was a conservative Christian who was willing to listen and reach out to people of opposing views. He hosted Ted Kennedy to speak to the student body at Liberty University. He held a conference between Christians and Gays at his university and his church. He was a man of great candor, but also of great humor, sharing it liberally (perhaps his only liberal action) with friends and opponents alike. We could actually use many more like him on both sides of politics, instead of the arrogant, conservative firebrands on the rigt and belligerent ultra-tolerant politically correct censors on the left.

Couldn't of happened to a nicer guy. Good Riddance!

I will be celebrating his death. Maybe I'm being a little to hopeful, but I hope Falwell's passing will be a catalyst for the end of the Christian intolerance in our government. I doubt it will, but it never hurts to dream...

Nunc dimittis servum tuum, Domine, secundum verbum tuum in pace:
Quia viderunt oculi mei salutare tuum
Quod parasti ante faciem omnium populorum:
Lumen ad revelationem gentium, et gloriam plebis tuae Israel.

Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace : according to thy word.
For mine eyes have seen : thy salvation,
Which thou hast prepared : before the face of all people;
To be a light to lighten the Gentiles : and to be the glory of thy people Israel.

Falwell was such a spoofy character, it was hard to spoof him. Though many tried, as in "Dragnet".
Falwell was so "out there" moralistic, he created his own orbit, drawing to himself all the demagogues and people who want to run other people's lives.
My understanding of morality is that it changes, and is not permanent, as most Moral Majority types would have us believe. There is no "right way" to live, defining ones actions as "good" or "bad". There is only life, and life changes as it goes on.
Those who, like Falwell, would just as soon stick to "that ol' time religion", should wonder how they would have fared under the old Mosaic laws, with stonings and such. What happened, did God change his/her mind, and decide that the rules had changed? My God is eternal, unchanging and all forgiving.

Well, one less hater and one less devisive leader gone from this countrys landscape. Now we have just a few more to rid ourselves of before we can all truly live the American Dream or life liberty and the pursuit of happyness.

God speed Rev. and hope your maker is a forgiving one when you reach the pearly gates for your gonna need a LOT of forgiveness.

I was hoping a Giant tornado would come and wipe out the whole clan of them.....

Today is a day of celebration, one of the most notorious bigots in our nation is no longer with us. Cheers to that! We won't be missing this guy.

In this world of today we have been polarized by far right and left ideals. To Rev. Falwell he has his right to speak like anyone else however I believe the majority of citizens in this Country are concerned about the way politics has twisted religion to a concerted agenda for special interests groups to abound above the law. God must be dissapointed in the way this has played out....religion is to heal our souls not create disparity and hate towards each other. May we somehow get back on the right track for a better world.

Not too long ago we lost James Brown, who also died at age 73. Hmmm - The Godfather of Soul, and The Godfather of Souls.

Let's not follow Falwell's example and be judgemental. That's not Christ's message, at least not the one I see in the Bible.

Falwell was a glowing hypocrite. An intolerant bigot. A draft dodging coward. The world will be better without this person.
Good riddance he is gone, never to return!!

Good bye and good riddance! I am sure it's tough on his family now, so they have my sympathies. But I, for one, am a happier person now that his poisonous tongue is silenced forever. People say he talked the talk AND walked the walk, but so did Hitler. They say these things come in threes. But I have to hope this one comes in fours. Next up: Focus on the Family founder James Dobson; the virulently homophobic minister of the Westboro Baptist Church Fred Phelps; and that snake in the grass Pat Robertson, the founder of such hate-masked-as-love outlets as the 700 Club on the Christian Brodcasting Network. These men give Christians a bad name. They are the would-be Ayatollahs of the U.S. Here's to Freedom of Religion, including the freedom to follow no religion at all! Here's to Separation of Church and State! Here's to one less bigot on the face of the planet! -over and out-

Jerry was here but now he's gone. He left a school full of idiots to carry on. Those who knew him paid him well. Jerry Falwell rots in hell! Good riddance you divisive old quack. Give my regards to Reagan.

The intolerance of Jerry Falwell is the topic of many comments so far. It sounds like those criticizing his "intolerance" seem to be quite intolerant of him and his views. I guess some kinds of intolerance are praise worthy.

I'm glad Jerry Falwell was here to clearly share his faith. He was courageous even though reviled by many. Those who knew him personally praise his generosity and kindness.

Jesus, himself, wasn't the most popular guy around. The people who were intolerant of Him, just, well, crucified him.

I just have to say how embarrasing it is to live in a country where freedom of speech is supposed to be granted to everyone regardless of race, gender, creed, faith, etc. For all of you who are critisizing him, how much better than him are you? One doesn't have to agree with a person to accept them as human. A human has passed away, only animals are supposed to eat their dead, humans are supposed to be higher than that.
America looks to be exactly what Mr. Falwell claimed it to be, just by reading what has been posted here.
sigh, you all may be proving him right, even if you don't mean to

on the highway to hell!!!hope its nice and hot jerry.good riddance.save a seat for pat!

My prayers goes out to Rev. Falwell's family and friends. I pray that God keep you all strong in everyway during this time.

Please remember that he is not in this world any more dealing with all the test and trials, but he is in Heaven praising and glorifying our wonderful Father.

God bless you all,

Evangelist Bennett

Diane:"How about saying wow- a man who actually lived what he preached and who had a passion for good! Very hard to find these days!"

Athiest:"I second that."

Hey Diane, do you always reply to your own posts under other names? You do realize that there's no way your post could have posted soon enough for anyone to respond that quickly, don't you?

It's sad that Falwell was so reviled that his followers are forced to fake mass sympathy for his passing.

Falwell's passing is no more worthy of sympathy than any other common huckster's death.

Like Hitler, Falwell used fear and lies to attract the attention of the least educated, least compassionate and most paranoid portion of this country. He was called "Dr." Falwell because he awarded himself a PhD from a "College" he created with televagelism money. In the DSM you can find his picture next to Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Let's see, if Bill Clintoon were to die, what good could I say about him? Hmmmmm, well he was good at getting certain oral sex procedures in the Oval Office from interns.
Posted by: John D | May 15, 2007 2:48:13 PM

I rather admire him for that. Were I to become President I'd bag all the interns I could! One of the true giants has left us. Giant intolerant scumbags that is. Time to for a celebration. Excuse me I've got to go dance in the street!

I will miss him very much. I really enjoyed watching his show and found it a source on contentment... My personal favorite moment was when he had the midget Ku Klux Klansmen on.
I never did get my Jerry beads.

RIP....I am sure the angels are chanting 'Jerry, Jerry, Jerry' right now...

For all of you who are critisizing him, how much better than him are you?
Posted by: angel | May 15, 2007 3:44:35 PM

You should have asked Jerry....he would have told you!!!!!!!

I will miss him very much. I really enjoyed watching his show and found it a source on contentment... My personal favorite moment was when he had the midget Ku Klux Klansmen on.
I never did get my Jerry beads.

RIP....I am sure the angels are chanting 'Jerry, Jerry, Jerry' right now...

Steve Veele - sorry, just because someone was "courageous" in their evil doing does not make it ok. The only people that have ever "praised" him to my knowledge are also racist misoginyst homophobic hate-mongers such as himself. His kindness? Are you for real? Need I remind you that this is the man who blamed feminists and gays for 9/11.

Yes many of us ARE intolerant of his brand of HATE - in what world do YOU live in that it's ok to praise HATRED?

It's interesting to see all of the HATEFILLED comments about how Jerry Falwell was a HATE monger. A man died and the liberals find it impossible to show any respect for the man.

Steve Veele, ah yes, the old "intolerance of intolerance" viewpoint, in an effort to create a distorted impression of hypocrisy. Newsflash: being tolerant does not equate to letting stupid people stomp all over you. By your backwards logic, since violence is bad, no one should ever resist a mugger.

To learn more about how Mr. Falwell and other Christian conservatives have contributed to the decline of America, I urge you to read "American Theocracy" by Kevin Phillips.

Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions. - Jerry Falwell

This quote captures the simple reason why Falwell was loved by so many people, and detested by so many others.
Nothing will change with his death.
My condolences to his family.

As the late great Alice Roosevelt once said, "If you can't say something nice about a person, come sit here by me..."

One really has to wonder about all the people who have been writing to praise his goodness, his faith, his holiness. Jesus had a term for people like Falwell: white sepulchers--fair on the outside, concealed corruption within. In other words, NOT a Christian.

Why should one say nice things about a bigot and a hypocrite? Why should one worry about hurting his family when his family never seemed to worry about Falwell's pigheaded ideas hurting other people? Let him and all his ilk burn in the fires of hell to which they'd just lo-o-o-ve to condemn millions.

Andy Freeman, suggesting that Falwell was willing to "reach out to people of opposing views" is like suggesting that he could run a pretty fast 40-yard dash.

Mike Turner:"At a time in the history of our country where it's becoming more and more politically dangerous to BE a Christian, a man like this will be sorely missed."

If anything, a man like Falwell is the REASON why it might become more politically dangerous to be a Christian. Mind you, your claim is silly, but I suppose pretending to be persecuted is all the rage these days.

Falwell was a mockery of true Christians. He was a living, breathing parody of the worst aspects of the Christian Right. No true Christian would ever lend Falwell his or her ear.

A bad man is worse when he pretends to be a saint.

Bastian of intolerance and called himself a Christian? You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Even Jesus Christ said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". There is only one way to the Father! It sure is a narrow way and you better be on it.

We have been blessed by Dr. Falwell, even though lots of us would not go as far as he did in his thinking and his speech. But we will be the poorer for our loss.

Bastian of intolerance and called himself a Christian? You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Even Jesus Christ said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". There is only one way to the Father! It sure is a narrow way and you better be on it.

We have been blessed by Dr. Falwell, even though lots of us would not go as far as he did in his thinking and his speech. But we will be the poorer for our loss.

I hope he is enjoying the company of Saddam and his boys. While I do not wish for the demise of anybody this man embodies the same hatred for people demonstrated daily on the streets of bagdad and the West Bank.

The press can eulogize to their content but this was an evil, evil man.

How will I remember Jerry Falwell?

Crypto-clerical Fascist that thought we got what we deserved on 9/11.

Ah, so far just one comment, but why am I NOT surprised that a Loony Secular Lefter is a wise ass over someone dying?

Posted by: John D | May 15, 2007 2:48:13 PM

Sorry Tony, just because Molly passed away doesn't mean one cannot speak of the truth about here. Anyway, after seeing Lefty Loon after Lefty Loon only hope Air Force One had crashed, killing a certain occupant, when the tires blew out a couple months ago; or seeing Lefty Loon after Lefty Loon openly wish last Fall that the movie about President Bush's assassination become reality, somehow my lack of remorse regarding Molly's passing is quite mild.

Posted by: John D | Feb 1, 2007 2:43:17 PM

Mike Turner, it's not "dangerous to BE a Christian." That's baloney. Christianity is still the dominant religion in the U.S.

The problem that many of us have with YOUR brand of Christianity, how it preaches intolerance, hatred and brass-knuckle politics. It reminds me of the Taliban.

It's funny that a true Christian could be named frosty! As a Roman Catholic, I honor the life of the Rev. Jerry Falwell. He is a witness of Jesus Christ and the miracles he worked as the true son of God. Many who have grandchildren are scared of the postings by secular progressives who have faith in nothing but, themselves. As you live, so shall you die.
As Jesus said, If you deny me before men, I shall deny you before my Father who is in Heaven.
Jerry Falwell served Christ and America very well as an outspoken defender of the Ten Commandments and moral and natural law.
It is wrong for Daily Kos, MoveOn.org and George Soros ranters to pile on at this Christian's death. May God Bless him and his family rather you leftist Dems scoring some cheap point for your tax and spend lifestyles and the abandonment of morality.
Think about your children you are not immortal no matter how good you feel-- you will die just like Falwell someday and you will answer for your life good or bad to the Almighty God.
Falwell was a sinner like all of us no better no less.
Think about your children or future children before you decide that anything goes.
God Bless Jerry Falwell and you. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

Hate the sin, love the sinner. That's what my faith taught me.

While he was devisive to many he was also a comfort to many. You have to admire his ability to create and lead a movement (no matter how that movement may be judged).

I think the simple courteous thing to do is try to judge that you not be judged yourself. And with that being said, good rest to you Mr. Falwell. May whatever peace you may have promoted or hindered, may it be with you now.

With the passing of Falwell, the world is a little kinder place today.

It's funny that a true Christian could be named frosty! As a Roman Catholic, I honor the life of the Rev. Jerry Falwell. He is a witness of Jesus Christ and the miracles he worked as the true son of God. Many who have grandchildren are scared of the postings by secular progressives who have faith in nothing but, themselves. As you live, so shall you die.
As Jesus said, If you deny me before men, I shall deny you before my Father who is in Heaven.
Jerry Falwell served Christ and America very well as an outspoken defender of the Ten Commandments and moral and natural law.
It is wrong for Daily Kos, MoveOn.org and George Soros ranters to pile on at this Christian's death. May God Bless him and his family rather you leftist Dems scoring some cheap point for your tax and spend lifestyles and the abandonment of morality.
Think about your children you are not immortal no matter how good you feel-- you will die just like Falwell someday and you will answer for your life good or bad to the Almighty God.
Falwell was a sinner like all of us no better no less.
Think about your children or future children before you decide that anything goes.
God Bless Jerry Falwell and you. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

YOU FORGOT PAT ROBINSON! Take Him with You! :)

Have a Nice trip in the Realm of the Demonic Reptilian dimentions .

CHECK VIDEO LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um-LyCtyzhs

i can't express sorrw at his passing.
this man spread hate, fear, intolerance in a venom.
one more hate monger has left.

he won't be missed

i can't express sorrw at his passing.
this man spread hate, fear , intolerance in a venom.
one more hate monger has left.

he won't be missed

It sounds like those criticizing his "intolerance" seem to be quite intolerant of him and his views.
Posted by: Steve Veele | May 15, 2007 3:42:42 PM

I guess you reap what you sew!

Regarding Falwell's death, I know you should always say something good about the dead, so here goes:

Jerry Falwell is dead. Good!

So many "tolerant" and "kind" thoughts from the Looniest of the Loony Left. But thanks sickos, you have just provided me with gobs of proof that calling you folks what you are is simple truth.

Cheryl, there are two days in a row now in which you have showed class and intelligence. Let it be known I do not consider you part of the Loony Left.

I didn't always agree with Rev. Falwell, but I'll take him and his tolerance any day over the crap and hate spewed by the worst that mankind has to offer: The Loony Left.

Here were some of that bigot's quotes for you wingnuts: Compared allowing a child to identify as gay with allowing children to play on the interstate.Publicly endorses the forced induction of teens into "ex-gay" camps.Said that "the Antichrist will, by necessity, be a Jewish male." "I know a few of you here today don't like Jews. And I know why. He can make more money accidentally than you can on purpose." DEFEND THAT WINGNUTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, he's dead. (I love that one)
Sometimes a person screws things up so badly that the only choice is to walk away. He really needed to be recycled.

While other religious bigots will mourn his death and some of those hateful, un-American hypocrites have already posted on this site, anyone who is compassionate, intelligent, moral and human will see that the world is a better place for his death. Falwell benefited by hurting others and repeating the prejudices and hateful thoughts of many before him. He will not be the last of his kind to walk the earth, but I'm still glad he is no longer among the living. I just hope God does not show him any more compassion than he showed for many people on earth.

John Donne said "Any man's death diminishes me". In this case, however, the death of Jerry Falwell does the exact opposite for the whole world.

To very few would I utter a negative word after their death but to this hateful, ignorant, bigoted sycophantic theocrat: GOOD RIDDANCE.

This is why I quit buying the two major Chicago papers. The tribune has put up a place for people to give their condolences....but they haven't started anything where those ravaged by his hate can discuss their relief that this man is finally going to have to face his maker. Christ did not say hate thy neighbor. And that is all that Fawell ever did.

And shame on you Tribune for being biased!

A man died and the liberals find it impossible to show any respect for the man.
Posted by: Me | May 15, 2007 3:55:27 PM

On the one hand, I"m not a liberal & on the other, if I had no respect for the man yesterday, while he was alive, why should I suddenly show it to him now that he is dead? And while I wish his family the best & don't wish to add to their pain, the simple truth of the matter is there is one less intolerant, self-righteous bigot in the world today. I wish we could have had the opportunity to say that while he was still alive but we don't always get what we wish for.

John D:
Why is it not a surprise you would be here moaning bible-thumper? Funny how it seems to be a trend with you hoping for others to die. Has it been a week or is it two since you hoped I would die & said the world would be a better place without me?
BTW: I saw you trying to say I haven't replied to you about propane & the simple facts are its you who have been ducking me Mr No-Credibility. I've been waiting for you for weeks.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/04/high_noon_nears.html#comments
Have a good one Bible-Thumper!

"For all of you who are critisizing him, how much better than him are you?
Posted by: angel | May 15, 2007 3:44:35 PM"

Dark Angel,

Welcome back! The hot link from CrazyTown is now on the air?
You were a real breath of different air back on Warner hit Pace.

Well, Jerry was a 'judger' himself, wasn't he? He would have told us all how much better he was than us, hey?

Maybe he is sharing those virgins with the 9/11 guys he thought were so righteous?

Jerry WHO?

Just reading McCain's and Willard's statements make me want to puke.

Political cowards, along with anyone else that does the suc-up routine.

Whenever someone passes away, I try very hard to remember something good or honest about the person. With Jerry Falwell, I honestly can say I have no kind thoughts, let alone printable words, to summon how I believe his life was of any value to anyone. The hate that spewed from Jerry Falwell for almost three decades alienated a majority of Americans and irked the sensibilities of the World with his callous, despicable admonishments and damaging rhetoric toward people and issues in which he had no business involving himself. I do not wish to liable the dead, but Falwell was a Reverend in name only, and revered by a group who believed God somehow conveyed his hateful ways. It is unfortunate that so many followed him in life and now praise him in death.

"I just have to say how embarrasing it is to live in a country where freedom of speech is supposed to be granted to everyone regardless of race, gender, creed, faith, etc. "

'Angel',

Can you even begin to explain the meaning of this statement?

Wow, we're going to break 100 comments. Yay Swamp!

As to Mr. Fawell, my Mom always says if can't say anything nice... Me, on the other hand will happily quaff a Leinenkugel on his passing. Auf weidersehn Christianist nutbag!

The main objective of his "Religious Right" was to undo Roe vs Wade and to create a goverment theocracy based upon his "God Inspired" misinterpretation of the founding fathers and our Constitution. He went to his grave seeing that unfulfilled.
But alas there is sure to come along another
"Elmer Gantry" who will lead the "army of ignorant" in their quest for a theocracy.

Good riddance to that intolerant, hate preaching, anti-US Constitution cult leader.

I only wish that Xian-fascist died long ago with Reagan, Bush and Robertson in tow.

Am I being harsh? Lets look at what Falwell stood for:
- Against the United States Constitution
- Against science and the teaching of science
- Against a womans right to choose
- Against birth control
- Against other religions
- Against Atheists, secularism and rationalism
- Against Human Rights
- Against the rule of law
- For the illegal war in Iraq
- For the faith based ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians
- For the End of the World according to the book of Revelations
The list goes on and on............

Lets Drink tonight and piss on his grave later!

Good riddance to that intolerant, hate preaching, anti-US Constitution cult leader.

I only wish that Xian-fascist died long ago with Reagan, Bush and Robertson in tow.

Am I being harsh? Lets look at what Falwell stood for:
- Against the United States Constitution
- Against science and the teaching of science
- Against a womans right to choose
- Against birth control
- Against other religions
- Against Atheists, secularism and rationalism
- Against Human Rights
- Against the rule of law
- For the illegal war in Iraq
- For the faith based ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians
- For the End of the World according to the book of Revelations
The list goes on and on............

Lets Drink tonight and (deleted) later!

I just have to shake my head at those of you who are spewing your obvious hatred of a man you considered hateful. It is interesting that we all naturally think we are better than the other guy isn't it?

I can just picture Angel, Jerry, Bush, McCain, Cpt. Willard, Robertson, Dobson, Crazy John D, Haggard, et al, dancing in the aisle, speaking in tongues, holding a snake to their faces, passing out and twitching on the floor.

These are the people we AMERICANS handed power to in the last 25 years. And we think the French are screwed up?

'Take my freedom, please!'

What did you miss, America? Do ya remember Rev. Jim Jones? He was just one click down from these guys.

The man who said femminists & gays were responsible for 9/11. Said Teletubies had a gay agenda for are kids.

Christianity has no business trying to run this country via the back door thru politicians, especially from the likes of those inspired by Jerry Falwell.

Tim,

The RRR need to read more Sinclair Lewis. Great book. Also, 'It Can't Happen Here'. It can, actually, and Falbad was on the way to proving it.

G,

Now really; Would a true 'Man of God' , love and understanding have inspired such hate? (See MLK, Mother Theresa, others.)

I think not.

Did anyone regret the demise of Hitler, Stalin? No.

Falwell was just a failed Hitler/Stalin.

I know when someone is trying to gaslight my freedom for political purposes. Jerry was a doin' it.

I hope he read John Bunyan's 'Pilgrim's Progress'. There is that little known trap door to Hell just outside the Pearly Gates. It's for special people, like, like, Jerry??

Those who care should get in a bus and go to Lynchburg for the resurrection.

As for me, I THINK he embodied all that is wrong with America today, and I KNOW he embodied all that is wrong with the GOP.

The chicago tribune should be ashamed for its fawning lovefest of jerry falwell with the tribute page for such a hateful man. I am appalled--the trib has fallen to the depths of fundamentalist thought I see...

Vitriolic comments say more about the writers than about their targets.

"Vitriolic comments say more about the writers than about their targets.

Posted by: Shaka | May 15, 2007 6:44:18 PM

And we have seen plenty from the clerical fascists in this country for years. Ever read what he, Dobson, Haggard, Robertson have to say?

I know, they 'hate the sin' not the sinner. But we know they, and their followers, actually hate the sinner.

Right Angel?

I heard him preach on TV the other day...he said Jesus was neither Black or White. He was neither because he wanted to be in the middle of both.

We know Jesus was neither Black or White nor was he from the middle of both. He was what we call a middle easterner today. But Falwell couldnt accept that. Falwells unwillingness to accept ALL of Gods creation diminished his credibility. Sadly, this narrowmindnessnes weakened his value to be a true leader at all.

C. Morris, if you were able to take a step back perhaps you could see that you are no less narrow-minded and self-righteous than you claim Jerry Falwell was.

Well at least you both stand firm for your convictions.

JJ, or should i call you Satan's spawn? In regard to your use of "Bible thumper" my point is the Swamp censors find most things offensive except when you call Christians "bible thumpers," clearly meant to be derogatory. Just pointing out the Trib's hypocrisy and pick-and-choose attitude toward what is offensive and what isn't.

In regard to propane as a refrigerant, sure it's being used in Europe. But you also ignore this bit of evidence I brought your way, so I'll bring it again. By the way, ARI supports the use of R-410A and R-404A and not propane as a refrigerant. And, yes, refrigerants are toxic chemicals, always have been. Propane is toxic and explosive. Anyway, if the U.S. industry believed in propane as a refrigerant, when they were stopping the manufacturing of CFCs and now HCFCs, do you think rather than spending gobs of money on HFC development they might have gone to propane???

Anyway, perpetual loon, here are comments NOT from me (and note Baunchaulk speaks of PERFORMANCE issues, not just explosiveness. And I will add the Europeans have been concentrating on refrigerants that have no global warming potential but have terrible energy efficiency values, which sort of defeats the purpose, huh, perpetual loon??):

Refrigerants favored in Europe
and by many environmentalists
include hydrocarbons, propane and
CO2. It’s doubtful they will take hold
in North America, and particularly
the United States.
“Hydrocarbons are just too flammable
and won’t play a role in the
U.S refrigeration industry,” ICOR’s
McKinney said.
DuPont’s Baunchalk says those
are niche-oriented refrigerants that
may get some future use. However,
their performance as well as safety
concerns will limit their viability in
the U.S.
“There are too many lawyers here
and you would need explosion-proof
containers for systems containing
those refrigerants. North America
will stay away from hydrocarbons,
and I think HFCs will be around for
a long, long time” Denison said.

I am a moderate Democrat (yes, we are and always have been out here) who went to Liberty University. I loved Liberty, but didn't agree with Rev. Jerry Falwell.

It appears that the Liberal Left is now doing what they love to accuse the Radical Right of doing...venting hatefulness, intolerance and meanness.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree with MS. You can disagree with a person's beliefs without being hateful. Rev. Falwell life has ended. Show is family and supporters some respect.

G,
At least I am not blaming America for 9/11. I just heard him doing it again on the nightly news. Nice quote to be remembered by, Jerry. You apologized, but you spoke from the heart in the first place.

Who is hateful? He told the majority of Americans they are going to Hell. Now that's hateful.

Don't worry too much. Falwell is gone, but a new 'replacement killer' will surly step forward.

Hey, maybe Haggard needs a job! He's all cured and everything.
Maybe Swaggart will fill the bill. How about Sen. Macaca?

"I agree with MS. You can disagree with a person's beliefs without being hateful. Rev. Falwell life has ended. Show is family and supporters some respect.

Posted by: WTB | May 15, 2007 7:42:00 PM"

These are people that have not shown any respect for their opponents, nor have they earned the respect or trust of anyone else.

John D,

"In regard to your use of "Bible thumper" my point is the Swamp censors find most things offensive except when you call Christians "bible thumpers," clearly meant to be derogatory."

"Bible-thumper" is no more of a slur than "Loony Left." Give it a rest. I've seen you refer to yourself as a "Bible-thumper," so is that one of those things that only insiders can say when they speak amongst themselves?"

John, your pleas for civility are utterly insane. You are, along with Paulo and John E, USUALLY the least civil person in this forum. I say usually because ever-so-occasionally, such as when discussing propane and propane accessories, you speak like a civil, rational, empathetic, dare I say, human being. If you could just stuff that twitch that pops "loony left! loony left! if you disagree with me about anything you're the loony left, even if i have know idea your actual political affiliation!! the loony left is a bigger threat than al qaeda! loony left loony left loony left aaaaaaaarrrrgghhhh!!!" you could bring decent ideas to the table, and present them in a manner in which you might actually convince someone of the rightness of your thoughts and thus aid your cause, rather than revolt them to the point of vomit with your childish shouting and name-calling. I've said it once and I will say it again: when you engage in foolish name-calling and obvious hypocrisy, you do nothing to advance the causes you seem to believe in.

To say that you are the pot calling the kettle black is putting it mildly. As Tony beautifully pointed out, you went off on Molly Ivins on her passing and pretended you had an impetus to do so based on some self-perceived wrong. If you want civility, BE CIVIL. If you want respect, BE RESPECTFUL. If you want to be loved, BE LOVING.

That applies to you as well as the Reverend Jerry Falwell. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Had Jerry Falwell practiced that simple and universal truth, the fundamental basis of morality, you would never see people so pleased at the passing of a public figure.

Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan died with much revisionist fanfare. Though they were polarizing figures, they were not pilloried in the way that Falwell will be. The good that he created in the world was FAR outweighed by the bad, well-documented in over a hundred posts above. I had actually thought this thread would be filled with weapy praise from Christian listserves, but apparently there are a lot of people out there who feel even more strongly than I about this individual.

The Christian mainstream will benefit greatly from Mr. Falwell's passing as will many many other people who are not of the "type" that the Jerry Falwell's of this world approve of. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Do unto others what you would have done to you. Practice what you preach. Respect other's points of view. Find common ground. Bring people together. Love thy neighbor as thyself.

John D,

"In regard to your use of "Bible thumper" my point is the Swamp censors find most things offensive except when you call Christians "bible thumpers," clearly meant to be derogatory."

"Bible-thumper" is no more of a slur than "Loony Left." Give it a rest. I've seen you refer to yourself as a "Bible-thumper," so is that one of those things that only insiders can say when they speak amongst themselves?"

John, your pleas for civility are utterly insane. You are, along with Paulo and John E, USUALLY the least civil person in this forum. I say usually because ever-so-occasionally, such as when discussing propane and propane accessories, you speak like a civil, rational, empathetic, dare I say, human being. If you could just stuff that twitch that pops "loony left! loony left! if you disagree with me about anything you're the loony left, even if i have know idea your actual political affiliation!! the loony left is a bigger threat than al qaeda! loony left loony left loony left aaaaaaaarrrrgghhhh!!!" you could bring decent ideas to the table, and present them in a manner in which you might actually convince someone of the rightness of your thoughts and thus aid your cause, rather than revolt them to the point of vomit with your childish shouting and name-calling. I've said it once and I will say it again: when you engage in foolish name-calling and obvious hypocrisy, you do nothing to advance the causes you seem to believe in.

To say that you are the pot calling the kettle black is putting it mildly. As Tony beautifully pointed out, you went off on Molly Ivins on her passing and pretended you had an impetus to do so based on some self-perceived wrong. If you want civility, BE CIVIL. If you want respect, BE RESPECTFUL. If you want to be loved, BE LOVING.

That applies to you as well as the Reverend Jerry Falwell. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Had Jerry Falwell practiced that simple and universal truth, the fundamental basis of morality, you would never see people so pleased at the passing of a public figure.

Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan died with much revisionist fanfare. Though they were polarizing figures, they were not pilloried in the way that Falwell will be. The good that he created in the world was FAR outweighed by the bad, well-documented in over a hundred posts above. I had actually thought this thread would be filled with weapy praise from Christian listserves, but apparently there are a lot of people out there who feel even more strongly than I about this individual.

The Christian mainstream will benefit greatly from Mr. Falwell's passing as will many many other people who are not of the "type" that the Jerry Falwell's of this world approve of. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Do unto others what you would have done to you. Practice what you preach. Respect other's points of view. Find common ground. Bring people together. Love thy neighbor as thyself.

John D,

"In regard to your use of "Bible thumper" my point is the Swamp censors find most things offensive except when you call Christians "bible thumpers," clearly meant to be derogatory."

"Bible-thumper" is no more of a slur than "Loony Left." Give it a rest. I've seen you refer to yourself as a "Bible-thumper," so is that one of those things that only insiders can say when they speak amongst themselves?"

John, your pleas for civility are utterly insane. You are, along with Paulo and John E, USUALLY the least civil person in this forum. I say usually because ever-so-occasionally, such as when discussing propane and propane accessories, you speak like a civil, rational, empathetic, dare I say, human being. If you could just stuff that twitch that pops "loony left! loony left! if you disagree with me about anything you're the loony left, even if i have know idea your actual political affiliation!! the loony left is a bigger threat than al qaeda! loony left loony left loony left aaaaaaaarrrrgghhhh!!!" you could bring decent ideas to the table, and present them in a manner in which you might actually convince someone of the rightness of your thoughts and thus aid your cause, rather than revolt them to the point of vomit with your childish shouting and name-calling. I've said it once and I will say it again: when you engage in foolish name-calling and obvious hypocrisy, you do nothing to advance the causes you seem to believe in.

To say that you are the pot calling the kettle black is putting it mildly. As Tony beautifully pointed out, you went off on Molly Ivins on her passing and pretended you had an impetus to do so based on some self-perceived wrong. If you want civility, BE CIVIL. If you want respect, BE RESPECTFUL. If you want to be loved, BE LOVING.

That applies to you as well as the Reverend Jerry Falwell. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Had Jerry Falwell practiced that simple and universal truth, the fundamental basis of morality, you would never see people so pleased at the passing of a public figure.

Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan died with much revisionist fanfare. Though they were polarizing figures, they were not pilloried in the way that Falwell will be. The good that he created in the world was FAR outweighed by the bad, well-documented in over a hundred posts above. I had actually thought this thread would be filled with weapy praise from Christian listserves, but apparently there are a lot of people out there who feel even more strongly than I about this individual.

The Christian mainstream will benefit greatly from Mr. Falwell's passing as will many many other people who are not of the "type" that the Jerry Falwell's of this world approve of. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Do unto others what you would have done to you. Practice what you preach. Respect other's points of view. Find common ground. Bring people together. Love thy neighbor as thyself.

is it hot enough in hell for you jerry? i hope your death was painfull

Shorter MS: "I'm a concern troll posing as a Democrat."

Nice try Republic.

didn't always agree with Rev. Falwell, but I'll take him and his tolerance any day over the crap and hate spewed by the worst that mankind has to offer: The Loony Left.

Posted by: John D | May 15, 2007 4:51:59 PM

John, here is a link highlighting Fawell's "tolerance."
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10806.html

Fawell was incredibly intolerant and hate-filled and I guess now it's showtime for him. Time to meet his Maker for an accounting.

Chicago Tribune is allowing itself to be a platform for hateful comments by a bunch of bigots, anti-christians expressing their
hateful feelings. How un-american.

Sensible Center, my one occasion of referring to myself as a "bible thumper" was in quotes just as now and meant as a reaction to that name. Loony Left is no smear like "bible thumper." And as I have stated JJ can call me that anytime he wants. My point is that if I were to call Muslims a derogatoryu comment more than likely the Trib censors would find that offensive and censor it. Or if I called Jewish people to derogatory comment. Fact is my point is pointing out the Trib's hypocrisy in censorship and not JJ being an offensive ass towards Christians in general! Get the point?

Second, I have explained before the difference between Loony Left and liberals, moderates, etc. Most of the posts here in regard to Rev. Falwell are just plain loony and hateful. Folks who believe the U.S. knocked down the Trade Towers are loony. Folks who blame George Bush for everything (heck in the Swamp post about Congress's low approval numbers are Bush's fault too) are simply loony. It has nothing to do with anyone who disagrees with me is loony.

As I have noted in several Swamps, I disagree with Leo T more than I agree. Yet, I have never attacked him or called him loony. However, he has been attacked countless times by members of the Loony Left. Leo T would support that contention and I believe has in past Swamps. While Leo T is a liberal, his posts tend to be thoughtful, factual and he criticizes both sides of the aisle. He is fair. In fact, I believe it's the Swamp on Bush and energy, Leo T says as much in regard to me.

You may notice when folks in here engage in a legitimate debate, I engage them likewise. When folks dance on the grave of Rev. Falwell, pray for the assassination of George Bush and Dick Cheney, hope someone shoots Paulo in the face, then, yeah, the gloves are off.

Course, folks like JJ will say, "You want me dead!" "You said bombs should be dropped on DNC headquarters." Again, context, which almost always is lost on members of the Loony Left, must be taken. Countless times I have said, "If the Loony Left can hope for the death of Republicans, well, gee I can play that game too."

I also could care less whether I get love in here or not, or even respect. I am not needy and also realize that too many of the Swampers in here are not even worthy of whatever desire of respect I may or may not seek. Getting JOhn E.'s respect or JJ's is not something that matters.

And as far as saying I can come across as "human," well by that comment alone you are no "sensible center." Sorry, but I'll take my humanity any day over just about anyone else!

So many "tolerant" and "kind" thoughts from the Looniest of the Loony Left. But thanks sickos, you have just provided me with gobs of proof that calling you folks what you are is simple truth.

Posted by: John D | May 15, 2007 4:51:59 PM

So I guess that makes republicans like me who hate him the Loony Right? Feel free to follow your leader so we can give you a similar send off!

p.s. "Gobs of proof." What a profound and articulate expression of your thoughts.

The hate for the Rev. Falwell espoused on this blog is sickening and sadly typical of The Swamp. If you have nothing nice to say about the recently deceased, at least have the decency to allow his loved ones to mourn in peace.

P.S. Don't think any of us won't remember this litany of Falwell at his worst whenever Kleagle Robert C. Byrd finally gets what he deserves.

Little JohnnieD has humanity? That's like saying Jerry Falwell was a Christian.

The Commonwealth of Virginia ought to require a toxic waste permit before the mortal remains of this unabashed hate-monger are put in its soil.

Falwell's death is one of the best messages of today. Thank God that he is sent that man off to hell to pay for his horrifying sins

elmer gantry ... calling elmer gantry ... we have an opening ... calling elmer gantry.

I've been waiting for you, Mr. Falwell.
I've got a whole wing roped off down here for you and the rest of your RR Republican fiends..I mean friends.
... Wait a miunute!?!?, you can't have that room, sir!, I'm saving that executive suite area especially for Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and that fat, balding Rove fella.
If you think it's hot where you are now you should step in there, it's really HOT in there!

Sounds like Little Johnny HVAC is in full meltdown mode again.

Time out for milk and cookies, Little Johnny!

I can't think of anything "good" to say about Falwell and I'll probably have the same feeling when W., Cheney and Rove go down to live with Satan fulltime....good riddance, Jerry.

As I have said, if you want propane circulating through your refrigerator or home air conditioners at a high pressure, be my guest!! One less loony left in the world can't be a bad thing, you think???
Posted by: John D | May 2, 2007 4:37:08 PM

Sound like you are wishing me dead to me John but I'm sure you are right & its just a contextual thing. Like how its OK for you to rip into Molly Irvins after she died but its not OK for others to point out the intolerance & bigotry of someone like Jerry Falwell.

As for the whole Propane issue, for me it has never been about if the US will switch to Propane as a refrigerant. It has ALWAYS been about getting you to prove proof to back up a whole bunch of statement you, yourself made.
-You said Propane is way more dangerous than Natural Gas. Are you ever going to provide something that proves this?
-You said that Propane was way to dangerous to be used indoors yet millions of homes safely use Propane for heating, cooking, hot water heaters etc. Millions of other homes use Natural Gas, pumped at high pressure into their homes, to do the same things.
-You said that propane is to dangerous to be used as a refrigerant. You called them time bombs. But the facts are that for the last 15 years millions of homes in Europe & Australia have been using them & you don't hear about this time bombs exploding left & right as you seem to think.
-You said NO US Manufacturer would be interested in using propane as a refrigerant. Or at least that was your story until it was proven there are US Manufacturers that do use propane. Then you changed your tune to 'mainstream' manufacturers, dismissing anyone who does as a 'fringe' manufacturer.

So when John are you ever going to provide us with some proof to what you, yourself have said?
While your at it you can give it another try explaining a person who tries kills innocent woman & children is, in your book, a terrorist unless they also happen to be Christian. In that case they aren't terrorists, they are just deluded. That one had me laughing for days. Have a good one Satan spawned bible thumper!

I guess Rev. Falwell was a success. About 40% of the electorate are now born again evangelical believers and actually vote. In fact, the evangelicals scare the heck out of the liberal Democrats. The Democrat candidates are trying to find ways to court that voting bloc. Funny gymnastics to watch.

The eye popping apoplexy of his detractors speak volumes about Jerrys success. Bad news guys, there are more of "us" than ever.

Boo.

A religious figure like Pope John Paul II deserves respect.

Someone like Jerry Falwell does not.

I can remember the last time I prayed. It wasn't for a million dollar house, or even a Mercedes Benz. It was during the Russian school siege in 2004, that all those kids would be OK. We all know how that turned out.

According to Falwell, God doesn't listen to the prayers of agnostics like me. I guess I won't waste my breath praying for him.

Religion is the root of all evil in the world. Just look around at what is going on. Jerry Falwell was a talking head for that movement vomiting out his hate for all humanity that did not follow his jack-booted belief in the myth of god. Now he is a worm farm and the world is a better place! One down and about ten more of these jerks to go!!

"The Duke," and Catherine, I have had my own criticisms of Jerry Falwell and I stated that earlier. But I will not celebrate his death like many of the Loons here. The hate being spewed by many here is gross though not surprising from elements of the Loony Left. The man is not Osama bin Laden, though I would bet that when he dies many of the Loony Lefters will be sad about that, or at least not as happy as they are about the death of Falwell.

JJ, you really are one dense ding dong aren't you? Five times now I have posted information as to why propane will never take hold as a refrigerant in the U.S. Quotes from REFRIGERANT experts, not me, including Garth Denison, without a doubt one of the WORLD'S leading rerigerant experts, stating safety and performance as the issues. I now cease to keep going back and providing that info. Five times is more than enough.

Yes, propane can be a ticking bomb. Yes, propane is used in homes and used in some refrigeration systems throughout the world. Does not take away from the fact there are inherent dangers for propane as a refrigerant.

Ammonia also is a great refrierant. It's one of the oldest and most effective refrigerants out there. It has no global warming potential, not ozone-depleting potential. Ammonia also is pretty darn energy efficient as a refrigerant too. However, ammonia is strictly used only in certain industrial and commercial applications. Why? Because it's also a highly toxic chemical. Facilities in which ammonia is used as a refrigerant are closely monitored 24/7. That is why it's not used in residential applications. And don't tell me all homes have ammonia in them so ammonia as a refrigerant is OK. It's not that it is bad, just not for residential and most commercial uses. Just like propane is not a good residential refrigerant.

Propane is dangerous and not the most efficient refrigerant. As a Loony Lefty I would think energy efficiency would be a concern because the more efficient the equipment the less energy it needs.

Want some more info? Soon-to-be-discontinued HCFCs are some of the most energy efficient refrigerants on the market. But they are being phased out. Why? Because of the first C, depending on the type of HCFC there are varying amounts of chlorine, cited as an ozone depleter. However, in a couple of HCFCs the amount of chlorine is minute and breaks down long before it ever reaches the ozone layer. But because of that first C, all HCFCs are being phased out -- regardless of how energy efficient they are and regardless of how little any global warming potential they have or don't have.

So JJ, I am ending this propane and refrigerant debate. You clearly are incapable of listening, learning, understanding. And I am sure most readers are not interested in it.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Whatever this man was, you will waste your own time condemning him.

If you are a Christian, spend your time following Jesus' commandment: Love your God with all your heart and mind, and your neighbor as yourself.

To those of you that are insisting that the rest of us allow his family to grieve in peace, I ask you this: why? They stood by him all of those years as he spewed his hateful intolerance and bigotry. They had their chance to reject his evil - but they stood by it. They are just as responsible as he is for the sorry state this country is in today - so no sympathies here. Falwell died alone as an evil person such as himself deserved to. Good Riddance!

Once and far all Farwell was not a christian. He was a money hungry faux christian. He was in it for the money and the prestige and he achieved both. No I do not respect someone of that caliber. Am I happy that he is dead, NO but relieved that his brand of christianity will no longer be spewed.
For all of those who believed in him then you have my condolences for your loss. For the rest of us it's just a big sigh of relief.

Bad news guys, there are more of "us" than ever.

Boo.

Posted by: Jim | May 16, 2007 6:20:01 AM

A warning from an evanjihadist. We know your out there. Your intollerence and hate can be felt.

My condolences to the Falwell family, Thomas Road Baptist Church and Liberty University. Jerry Falwell's death is a tremendous loss to this nation's direction. For all of those people who could think of nothing to say but evil about Pastor Falwell, shame on you! And, since you hated him really for no reason, that proves you are headed in a different direction than Pastor Falwell in the afterlife. But, since this pastor is born-again, that leaves the likes of you with little to no hope. Sorry, no air conditioners allowed.

Thanks Jerry, for pointing out this major threat to our American way of life:

http://pbskids.org/teletubbies/teletubbyland.html

Should we call Homeland Security?

For all of those people who could think of nothing to say but evil about Pastor Falwell, shame on you! And, since you hated him really for no reason,
Posted by: Mark Nesta | May 16, 2007 11:12:28 AM

This is what I see from the RR. They can see that "many" disliked this guy, but thats all you see. These people gave plenty of reasons but you refuse to see it. No reason? I know, I know, you're only doing Gods' work. I'm not sure which one of you all talked to him, but I bet it hasn't been for awhile. So quite frankly, I'm not taking Falwell, or anyone else' word as to what is moral and what isn't. I live in a free country and that includes freedom of religion, and freedom from religion. Keep whatever your beliefs are , but don't judge others and don't force your beliefs on us.

shoot, does this mean he'll miss the rapture? and please could we lay to rest that burned out unoriginal cliche, "our thoughts and prayers are with you..."

I'm sad at the news of any death - even those I disagree with.

I hope when he meets his maker, he is judged by the as same standards by which he has judged others - with the same level of tolerance.

To all you bleeding heart liberals who are trying to completely secularize our country, abortion supporters who rationalize it by debating when life actually begins, homosexuals who try to convince the rest of us that it is an alternative life style and those of you who believe that the separation of church and state is part of our constitution, I pity you and good luck> I have a feeling you're going to need it.

To all you bleeding heart liberals who are trying to completely secularize our country, abortion supporters who rationalize it by debating when life actually begins, homosexuals who try to convince the rest of us that it is an alternative life style and those of you who believe that the separation of church and state is part of our constitution, I pity you and good luck> I have a feeling you're going to need it.

Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2007 12:34:09 PM

If we leave Iraq they will follow us her? They're here! Evanjihadists. The same religious extremists in different dress. When will the oppression of woman start?

"To all you bleeding heart liberals who are trying to completely secularize our country, abortion supporters who rationalize it by debating when life actually begins, homosexuals who try to convince the rest of us that it is an alternative life style and those of you who believe that the separation of church and state is part of our constitution, I pity you and good luck> I have a feeling you're going to need it."

Wow- was that said with all the Christian love you could muster?

Yet another person who thinkd that anyone who disagrees with him is a "bleeding heart liberal". Wow- how sad. Obviously you drank Mr. Falwell's Kool-Aid.

For all our vitriolic friends out there that want to dance on Jerry Falwell's grave...go ahead, he's not there.

Practically speaking, Jerry was just one lightning rod that XXXXmongers find easy to strike. (you fill in the blanks). If it weren't him it would be someone else. There is no peace in the hearts of men. Don't blame religion or personalities, it is indemnic to the species.

Is there judgement ahead for Jerry? Yes there is. Did he have a plan? Yes he did. Does it depend on Jerry? No it doesn't. That is the essence of his faith.

So talk all you want about what a rotten guy he was and how nasty his views were. Doesn't matter. We all are rotten and have stupid things to do and say. At our very best we are still not good enough to stand on our own merits. We have to rely on someone else. That was Jerry's plan. He said it many times.

Although I try never to rejoice in someone's death (with the exception of people like Hitler, Stalin, and various serial killers and child molesters) I must say his death probably makes the world a little bit of a better place and that news of his death certainly didn't ruin my day.

Don,

Did you hold JF to your standard below? How many times did you write or call in to him and tell him that while he was alive and spreading his hate?

Be honest Don....you never did. That is the hypocracy of the RR....they never intended to meet even their own standards...just apply them to others.

May peace now be found by the millions JF attacked. Some of these people who "blindly" supported JF are the same people that went after the children (victims) in the Roman Catholic Churches child molestation cover up.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Whatever this man was, you will waste your own time condemning him.

If you are a Christian, spend your time following Jesus' commandment: Love your God with all your heart and mind, and your neighbor as yourself.

Posted by: Don | May 16, 2007 9:16:14 AM

to: lkohl

"Wow- was that said with all the Christian love you could muster?

Yet another person who thinkd that anyone who disagrees with him is a "bleeding heart liberal". Wow- how sad. Obviously you drank Mr. Falwell's Kool-Aid."

Posted by: lkohl | May 16, 2007 12:57:37 PM

Bleeding heart liberals were only part of the constituency I addressed. If you want to stick that label on the others mentioned, that's your choice.

Mr. Falwell, as well as all the other religious TV personalities and/or quacks, don't mean a thing to me. I do, however agree with some of their message.

Because I don't agree with you, I'm obviously a hate monger and a bleeding heart liberal hater. What a small mind you have. You think what you want and I think what I want.

Incidentally, you might want to work on your spelling or typing or both.

To: bill r.

Where in my post did I mention Iraq? You've been watching too much reality TV. Maybe come away from the deep end, you're in danger of falling in.

Good opinion on Falwell's passing from someone who knew him a lot better than the haters:

A holy warrior, wholly committed
Jerry Falwell admitted errors, but he apologized to no one for his faith or his politics.
By Zev Chafets, ZEV CHAFETS is the author of many books, including "A Match Made in Heaven," about the relationship between the Christian evangelical movement and American Jews.
May 16, 2007

IN THE MAIN building of the Liberty University campus in Lynchburg, Va., there is a Jerry Falwell museum.

The first exhibit you see when you walk through the door is devoted to Falwell's father. Carey Falwell was a nonbeliever, a successful entrepreneur, a hoodlum, bootlegger and gunman who shot his own brother dead two years before the end of Prohibition — not the kind of family skeleton usually put on public display by a university founder.

But the Rev. Jerry Falwell, who started Liberty University in 1971 and grew it into the largest evangelical institution of higher learning in the land, was not an ordinary college president. He was, first and foremost, a Baptist minister, and his Corey Falwell exhibit was meant to convey that even the son of a sinner can become a man of God.

It was also a not very subtle reminder that Falwell came from tough stock. He was a Christian who couldn't be counted on to turn the other cheek.

When I mentioned this to Falwell, whom I met a number of times while writing my last book, he readily agreed. Falwell gloried in his common-man persona, and he viewed himself as a roughneck compared with his lifelong rival, the Rev. Pat Robertson. Known to his friends as "Doc," he was a man who didn't mind laughing at himself — or at his fellow evangelicals. (One of the country's leading Pentecostal figures broke off relations after Falwell publicly sneered at her effort to heal a chicken through faith. "We Baptists don't save chickens, we eat them," he told her.)

No chicken was safe within Falwell's grasp, and he liked them deep-fried. I dined with him several times, and he ate with the aplomb of a fellow whose cardiologist was Jesus. A pre-millennial Baptist, he believed that God sorted things out in God's own time. He also expected to go to heaven.

Falwell was a theological fatalist but a political activist. If this seems like a common combination today, that is largely due to Falwell himself. Before he came along, evangelical Christianity was inward looking. The Baptists, especially, had been badly burned by the failure of Prohibition and the mockery of the Scopes trial and turned away from politics during the first half of the 20th century. As a young preacher, Falwell asserted that the church had no business getting involved in such issues.

"I meant well, but I was wrong," he wrote in his autobiography. This change of heart was one of the many unintended consequences of the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe vs. Wade decision, which galvanized Falwell. He got into politics not out of love but out of hatred for "abortion, the drug traffic, pornography, child abuse and immorality in all its ugly, life-destroying forms."

Falwell founded the Moral Majority in 1979 with a four-point program: "Pro-life, pro-traditional family, pro-moral and pro-American." The movement's domestic conservatism transformed the Republican Party for a generation (today, Rudy Giuliani seems to be the un-Falwell), but Falwell had no illusions about the nature of his victories. "Look at the culture overall, and secular progressives are winning," he told me. "They have been for 50 years, and they probably will until Jesus gets here and sorts things out."

Falwell had a similar view of international relations. He believed that God had a plan for the United States and that its enemies were evil. He referred to Muslim radicals as "barbarians" and advocated taking out Iran's nuclear capacity by force. "Bush is probably too weak politically to do it," he told me over barbecue one afternoon. "It will be up to Israel. And we'll be at the White House, cheering."

Falwell's Zionism was by no means inevitable. Before him, evangelicals reluctantly acknowledged that the Jews were God's chosen people, but many didn't quite agree with the choice. Falwell embraced the Jews of Israel (who appreciated his friendship) just as he embraced American Jews (who, by and large, spurned it). He could be acerbic about Jewish leaders — he called Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League a "damn fool" and pointedly told me that the comment was on the record — but he never let Jewish hostility shake his philo-Semitism. American Jews who now take evangelical friendship for granted need to know that it is, to a large extent, a grant from Jerry Falwell.

Falwell was always aware that he was under scrutiny. He hated crooked TV preachers like Jim Bakker, and he didn't have much use for hypocrites like Ted Haggard either. He was married to the same woman for nearly 50 years. He took in millions of dollars during his lifetime without a scandal — not bad for a televangelist.

Not everything Falwell said and did was commendable. He sometimes said stupid things, like his famous crack that 9/11 was the product of American immorality. He knew he was wrong, and he said so (just as he apologized for the segregationist views of his youth). Not every man of God has "I'm sorry" in his vocabulary. He never apologized for his beliefs, though, or his tough partisanship. He was a born-again Christian, an American and a Republican, in that order, and if you didn't like it, well, there were plenty of other places you could spend Sunday morning.

I once asked Falwell about his legacy. We were, naturally, having lunch, in a Liberty University dining room. "This university has 10,000 graduates in pulpits and church boards all over the country," he said. "There will be more every year. They'll carry on."

This comment isn't for posting. This email is to comment on the capricious, despicable and damnable way the Tribune has edited people's Jerry Falwell comments. People on both sides are saying some of the most salacious, nasty and hurtful things about not only Pastor Jerry Falwell but also about other people groups. But, it seems they are posted in entirety, though maybe not. But, me!, not only were my condolences to the family and those who worked with Rev. Falwell axed, the Tribune edited me after a dependent clause, with the last puntuation mark on my comment a comma! I spewed no vitriol and expressed no hatred for anyone. So, give me a break! I love this paper; but, those of you who are running it at this level are showing yourselves to be biased atheistic, journalistic clowns. 'Can't wait to see your juggling act. So, maybe now that I slammed the Tribune, I'll be printed in my entirety.

Even though Dipsey, Lala, Po and I had our differences with the man, he gave me a couple of laughs...

While I did not like nor respect the man, I have experienced the death of my own father, and therefore, I offer my sympathies to his family.

Jerry Falwell was a right-wing conservative. The problem that I have with right-wing conservatives is that "it's their way or the highway." There is no bending. There is no compromise. They are rigid, inflexible, and self-righteous in their beliefs, opinions, and views.

Moderates and liberals, on the other hand, respect that not everyone belives as they do, and allow others the freedom - without ridicule or condemnation - to believe what they choose, be who they are, and express themselves in their own fashion.

I can't say that I'm sorry that Mr. Falwell has died. Nor can I say that I will miss him. He certainly had a right to his beliefs, opinions,and views ... but he had no right to dictate what mine should be.

"Bleeding heart liberals were only part of the constituency I addressed. If you want to stick that label on the others mentioned, that's your choice.

Mr. Falwell, as well as all the other religious TV personalities and/or quacks, don't mean a thing to me. I do, however agree with some of their message.

Because I don't agree with you, I'm obviously a hate monger and a bleeding heart liberal hater. What a small mind you have. You think what you want and I think what I want.

Incidentally, you might want to work on your spelling or typing or both."

Oh- somebody not only woke up on the wrong side of the bed, but also starts making blanket statements and generalizations about what I just said. Did I call you a "hate monger" or a "bleeding heart liberal hater"? No- but you're really starting to look like one from that post.

Oh- and you really need to work on your grammar. My typing can be fixed easily. And it was only one character. Obviously, people have to be perfect to fit into your little world. Oh- but I'm the one with the small mind, right?

Great point Bleu.

I had always thought that a liberal believes we're all in this together and a conservative believes its every mans for himself, but perhaps more accurately, its that a liberal is in search of Truth and conservatives think/ know they've already found it.

bill r.

Slowly now ........ breathe in, breathe out.... breathe in, breathe out. repeat until the lightheadedness goes away. there you go. Now, doesn't that feel better?

Further, I do want you in a burka. From a really nice store on Michigan Avenue. Really I do.

Jim

PS Boo

fallwell was a filthy degenerate... the world is a better place now that he is roasting...

the whole post mortem debate is ridiculous... was he a moral authority or a divisive barker??

what?? we are talking about a person who condemned martin luther king jr as the 'civil wrongs leader'-- we are talking about a man who described apartheid south africa as a bulwark in defense of christian civilization...

may he burn in hell...

John D:
It must be nice to go through life with a closed mind, secure in the knowledge that what ever you believe must therefor be true. Seems you be a trait you shared with the late Jerry Falwell. It would be nice if you actually bothered to read what I said before passing judgment on it. All I've ever asked is that you be accountable for the things you post here. For that you have continually evaded me while constantly ratcheting up the rhetoric & name calling. 1st I was a loony lefter even though you seem to know next to nothing about me politically, now I've become a perpetual loon just for asking you to be accountable for what you say. You've also labeled me as anti-religious while knowing absolutely nothing about my faith. Now I've become Satan's spawn just for asking you to be accountable for what you say.
Have I responded in kind? Yes, I've stooped to your level many times. Most likely that doesn't say anything good about me personally but it has been interesting seeing how you don't seem to be able to take the same kind of treatment you dish out here on a daily basis. You use a term that you feel is derogatory to describe anyone who doesn't view what ever issue is at hand the same way as you do. You expect everyone you view as being on the 'other side' to be responsible for what anyone else says & make disparaging blanket statements about anyone who would dare to see things in a different light.
I've had heated debates with Jeff on several occasions & over several issues & while we don't see eye to eye on allot of things I don't disrespect him because he doesn't see things as I do. I don't like some of his stands, just as he doesn't like mine but there is a big difference between disagreeing & disrespecting. Weather you want respect here or not doesn't matter its just simple common decency to treat others with a modicum of respect no matter who they are or what they believe. It's also the Christian thing to do. Theres also a simple rule that most people refer to as the golden rule, treat others as you would hope to be treated.
Have a good one John!

Does he get greeted by 7 virgins? I just get so confused sometimes about religious zealots. He was a hate-mongering idiot - the world is better off with him dead.

"Propane is dangerous and not the most efficient refrigerant. As a Loony Lefty I would think energy efficiency would be a concern because the more efficient the equipment the less energy it needs."

John D,

I don't think I agree with you on this one.

JJ seems to be right on this, as well as thousands of French and other European scientists.

I say, lets go with the propane.

Bleau, are you serious? "Moderates and liberals, on the other hand, respect that not everyone belives as they do, and allow others the freedom - without ridicule or condemnation - to believe what they choose, be who they are, and express themselves in their own fashion."

Really, are you serious? Liberals respect that not everyone believes as they do and allow others the freedom without ridicule or condemantion to believe they choose. . . You're kidding, right?

Please read all the "repect" for other beliefs by the libs and especially Loony Lefters throughout the Swamp.

In the past, look at the attacks upon the Loony Left on Leo T, a rational-thinking liberal. Look at the attacks by the Loony Left on Joe Liebermann, a liberal who happens to be a hawk, but liberal on everything else.

Yeah, lots of respect and no condemnation there.

The Left keeps on getting loonier and loonier!

All the religious arguments posted have come down to one simple truth..where is your Jesus??
After 2007 years should he have not returned by now??? Thats ok, the Egyption Goddess Isis was worshiped for close to 4000 years before they figured out she was full of it. So you still have time. But in the mean time I think religion is a good thing for as Napolean said.."Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich".

John D,

Here's a new 'word' for you to use. I made it up, just like GWB does all the time;

'Kookalaryistic'
def; looney in ref. to right wing 'idealists'

hating falwell doesn't make me intolerant, hating bush doesn't make me intolerant...

saying happy holidays to a stranger instead of merry christmas doesn't make me intolerant... in fact the opposite is true, saying merry christmas to a stranger, ie. one whose beliefs are not known to me is rude... i am a hard core secularist, and I strongly prefer season's greetings myself, but because i KNOW that most ppl have some sort of faith or other, OUT OF RESPECT for the ppl around me, I usually say happy holidays...

that is what it is to be a liberal...

"In the past, look at the attacks upon the Loony Left on Leo T, a rational-thinking liberal."

Posted by: John D | May 16, 2007 4:37:18 PM

First of all, Leo is not "a liberal" NOR a Democrat. Rational-thinking we agree upon. Second of all, its his views that are attacked, John, not him. This is a distinction that you appear utterly incapable of internalizing. Please provide evidence of your assertion that Leo is attacked as a person or called, just off the top of my head, something to the effect of "loony lefty," "traitor," "appeaser," "Defeatocrat," etc.

If you are a Christian, John, I suggest going back and reading The Book again. I think you missed the part about loving thy neighbor as thyself. Karma. The Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you. The fundamental basis for morality.

I pray that you would not want people to make the kind of sweeping generalization and unfair mischaracterizations that you dish out here on a daily basis. Maybe you should try listening to dissenting views instead of shutting them out. I would echo jj's thoughts about Jeff, someone I am almost diametrically opposed to philosophically but with whom an intelligent conversation, void of screaming, name-calling and slandering, is possible.

The sensible center of America, the one that loudly reasserted itself in November, seeks middle ground. The best way to do that is to speak and listen respectfully, and try to COME TOGETHER to do what is right for this country. One half of the country believing the other half of the country has no idea what its talking about is not positive, and your shrill, irrational, hypocritical shreaking certainly is not helpful to bridging the gap. Nor, as I have stated many times before, is it helping you win converts among the sane and rational.

"In the past, look at the attacks upon the Loony Left on Leo T, a rational-thinking liberal."

Posted by: John D | May 16, 2007 4:37:18 PM

First of all, Leo is not "a liberal" NOR a Democrat. Rational-thinking we agree upon. Second of all, its his views that are attacked, John, not him. This is a distinction that you appear utterly incapable of internalizing. Please provide evidence of your assertion that Leo is attacked as a person or called, just off the top of my head, something to the effect of "loony lefty," "traitor," "appeaser," "Defeatocrat," etc.

If you are a Christian, John, I suggest going back and reading The Book again. I think you missed the part about loving thy neighbor as thyself. Karma. The Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you. The fundamental basis for morality.

I pray that you would not want people to make the kind of sweeping generalization and unfair mischaracterizations that you dish out here on a daily basis. Maybe you should try listening to dissenting views instead of shutting them out. I would echo jj's thoughts about Jeff, someone I am almost diametrically opposed to philosophically but with whom an intelligent conversation, void of screaming, name-calling and slandering, is possible.

The sensible center of America, the one that loudly reasserted itself in November, seeks middle ground. The best way to do that is to speak and listen respectfully, and try to COME TOGETHER to do what is right for this country. One half of the country believing the other half of the country has no idea what its talking about is not positive, and your shrill, irrational, hypocritical shreaking certainly is not helpful to bridging the gap. Nor, as I have stated many times before, is it helping you win converts among the sane and rational.

it is funny to me that these right wingers/hate mongers (john d. et al) aren't satisfied peddling their juvenile, morally stunted 'might makes right' philosophy, they actually expect the rest of us to coddle them (kind of twisted, but not shocking)... well i've got news for you! u will not be coddled... not here or anywhere else decent thoughtful people are around...

again, i repeat, jerry falwell (may he roast in hell :-), described apartheid south africa as a bullwark in defense of christian civilization...

so it is very plain, depending on your view of apartheid, so goes your view of falwell...

imagine for one moment what jesus would have said about apartheid

nuff said.

i'm not trying to pass any laws dictating that everytime a pastor reads genesis on a sunday, he has to detail the various caveats based on secular science...

just keep your religion out of my kids science class...

western civilization tried the dark ages once before, and i seem to recall it not going so well...

"Look at the attacks by the Loony Left on Joe Liebermann, a liberal who happens to be a hawk, but liberal on everything else."

Joseph Lieberman's cardinal sin in my eyes, above his support for the Iraq War and budget-busting supply-side tax policy, is that he supports the one ideology of this administration that is the most frightening of all: you're either with us or against us. That's fine when you refer to the leaders of states who sponsor terrorism, but the problem is he abets the administration in their efforts to paint anyone who disagrees with them about any aspect of their policy as "against us."

Democrats do not wish America to fail. They do not love terrorists. They do not hate America. Debating the war is not unpatriotic, nor does it give aid and comfort to the enemy. Anyone who says so has no concept of what America was founded on.

This article explains quite lucidly why Lieberman's rhetoric on the war and "us vs. them" is nearly as caustic as the Vice President. For this, AND ONLY THIS, do I consider him unredeemable.
http://www.forward.com/articles/the-jewishness-of-joseph-lieberman/

I thought this article was interesting as well as an analysis of a certainly interesting character
http://www.forward.com/articles/the-jewishness-of-joseph-lieberman/

seth gordon,

Ya got your head screwed on right.

In the 20's Jerry would have been marching down the street in a sheet.

" . . . am a hard core secularist, and I strongly prefer season's greetings myself, but because i KNOW that most ppl have some sort of faith or other, OUT OF RESPECT for the ppl around me, I usually say happy holidays...
that is what it is to be a liberal...
Posted by: seth gordon | May 16, 2007 5:35:54 PM"

Seth,

Out in my neck of the woods, there were letters to the editor calling for the firing of Target check out clerks a couple years ago because they said 'happy holidays' instead of Merry Christmas.

Note to all interested parties; 'The Liberal War on Xmas' annual planning meeting is scheduled for October 31 at the Bethlehem, PA, Holiday Inn. Bring your own heroin.

Be there or be square. Big plans will be made!

would echo jj's thoughts about Jeff, someone I am almost diametrically opposed to philosophically but with whom an intelligent conversation, void of screaming, name-calling and slandering, is possible.

Posted by: Bryan | May 16, 2007 5:45:14 PM

But not very probable.

Lil' Jeany Dee,

Zee French use dee propane for dee heat, it very safe, zoo fool.

Gerry LeFalwell is zee 666.

I agree that this environment has become poisoned by extremism. I thoroughly enjoy discussing the issues with both Bryan and JJ, even though we rarely agree on stuff we certainly can respect one another. The same can't be said for what's happened on this thread. Many of us have asked for cilitity rankings, registration and other measures that might clean up this board but it seems this is the exact type of rhetoric the Tribune wants because they've taken ZERO steps to follow up on any of our suggestions.

p.s. Catherine, coming from you that's a compliment. Thanks.

For the propane lovers,

Here from homeenergy.org:
Propane

In general, the same technologies and comments apply to propane as to natural gas, with slight differences in the efficiencies. Propane has a lower hydrogen level than natural gas. About 3% less energy is tied up in the form of latent heat with propane systems than with natural gas. This means that conventional and mid-efficiency propane furnaces can be expected to be slightly more efficient than comparable natural gas units. On the other hand, propane's lower hydrogen content makes it more difficult to condense the combustion products, so that propane-fired condensing furnaces will be 2%-3% less efficient than the same unit fired with natural gas.

This is even from a Greenpeace article, which touts propane:
Neither alternative is perfect, from an environmental standpoint. CO2, after all, is the most famous global-warming gas. And pound for pound, propane is about six times as damaging to the atmosphere as CO2, according to the U.N. But both are far less harmful to the atmosphere than HFCs.
Coke and McDonald's, spooked by propane's well-known flammability, are choosing a different cooling agent: carbon dioxide itself.

Here is a link to a Q and A from Daikin:
http://www.daikin.com/faq/faq_kankyo.html

More from Daikin:
Propane
Propane has equivalent performance to R22, and isobutane, a related substance, is used as a refrigerant in refrigerators. Propane is highly combustible and thus susceptible to explosion. To use as an air-conditioner refrigerant, the volume of propane must be dramatically reduced to ensure that it is safe. (Air-conditioners use about 10 times as much refrigerant as refrigerators. Ten times the refrigerant volume increases the danger of explosion by 1,000 to 10,000 times.) As well, the pipe work for air-conditioners must be done on-site. Currently, there is not sufficient technology to guarantee safety in such cases, a problem that must be solved if we are to achieve practical application.

Oh and here is a kicker:

http://www.arti-21cr.org/research/completed/exec-summaries/50025-es.pdf

with this highlighted portion:
The first barrier is that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Significant New
Alternative Policy (SNAP) program rule currently prohibits the use of A3 refrigerants except in
industrial refrigeration. The EPA has rejected applications to approve flammable refrigerants for non-industrial applications under SNAP due to “a lack of an adequate risk assessment that
characterizes incremental flammability risk.” If such a risk assessment were performed, they
would consider listing A3 refrigerants as acceptable in other end-uses.
The second barrier is U.S. state and local building codes, which require that air conditioning and refrigeration systems be in accordance with appropriate mechanical codes. The mechanical codes in turn are consistent with ASHRAE Standard 15, which prohibits the use of A3 refrigerants except in industrial occupancies or laboratories, unless specifically approved.

Back to you JJ!!

John D,

But can we trust anything you claim or refer us to regarding the propane debate when you seem to represent the HVAC lobby?

Don't you have a vested interest against propane??

God has returned from vacation and the first act of business was to strike down Jerry Falwell, just in time before the 2008 presidential election campaign heats up.

God doesn't think the nation should continue to be raped by fanatics like Falwell, so he decided, it's time for a change in direction. There's hope for this country after all