by Frank James
At today's House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing, Maj. Gen. John Batiste (ret.) a combatant commander in Iraq during 2004 and 2005 and critic of the war, was treated suspiciously by some Republican members of the panel who questioned why he was in TV ads for VoteVets.org.
That organization has targeted some Republican members for ouster, which clearly angered the House Republicans who sought to portray the general's association with VoteVets as putting him in league with those on the other side of the aisle.
But Batiste said he was a "diehard" Republican, which led Rep. Ilena Ros-Lehtinen, a Florida Republican, to warn the general to be careful since the antiwar crowd that would oppose any war, including the one against Islamic extremist which the general said he was very much for, might be using him a shield.
That discussion led to an exasperated Tony Cordesman, the analyst for the Center for Strategic and International Studies who was also testifying, to direct the conversation back to the matter at hand--the challenges facing the U.S. in Iraq, and what to do about them.
Here's that part of the hearing.
REP. BURTON: I guess the point I'm trying to make is let's give General Petraeus a chance. I know that the two gentlemen who oppose what's going on and think we ought to change things right now -- I understand that you are great seers of the future, that you can see into the future with your crystal ball and you know exactly what's going to happen, but I don't. This may be a terrible mistake. It may not work. I don't know. But I know the Congress appropriated money through September and we charged General Petraeus to come back and give us a report in September on the progress and that's when we should start making decisions on the future -- not now, not before we have all the facts.
And I appreciate you gentlemen's position. General Batiste, I appreciate your position. I know you're making commercials for the opposition. That's all right. But it should be made known before everybody that's televising this thing today.
And I want to say, Dr. Kagan, you're very thoughtful. I agree with what you've said and I think it's the right approach. And all I'd like to say is that I hope that the people of this country, and the members of Congress, will stay with General Petraeus until September, get a report and then make a decision on what should be done in the future. These gentlemen may be right, I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball, but I know one thing. We need to give this surge at least a chance; give General Petraeus, the man that's in charge, a chance; and then get a report from him.
I thank the chairman.
REP. : Will the gentlelady yield?
REP. BURTON: I don't have any more time, but I'll tell you -- you're going to have plenty --
REP. : I was asking the ranking member, who's time this is.
REP. BURTON: It was the gentlelady's time.
REP. : Yes.
REP. SANTOS: The gentleman will be recognized on his own time.
I will now give the floor to General Batiste, because his name was raised by my colleague, Mr. Burton.
GEN. BATISTE: Mr. Burton, if I were elected to this Congress I'd be sitting on the aisle on your side -- probably next to you. I'm a Republican. I voted for our president twice. I joined Vote Vets as a member of their board because I believe in what they're doing. It's all about what's right for this country. It's all about what's right for our military.
With my joining the organization, it is now bipartisan in every respect. I believe in the same concepts, sir, you believe in. I am a diehard Republican. Sir, thank you. This is not about partisan politics. That's the whole point. That's why we're here today. This is about what's good for America.
I support General David Petraeus, my West Point classmate. I know he'll render an accurate report in September, but this goes way beyond him. He needs help. He needs a nation mobilized. He needs a national strategy that makes sense, that's firing on all cylinders diplomatically, politically and economically. He needs an interagency process in Washington that's not dysfunctional.
This nation has some serious problems and we need to address them head on. Republicans, Democrats -- it doesn't matter. We're Americans and we're in trouble. Our military today is in trouble. Our Army and Marine Corps are at a breaking point. That doesn't sit well with me.
REP. ROS-LEHTINEN: Mr. Chairman, if I could reclaim my time for just a minute.
REP. LANTOS: Of course.
REP. ROS-LEHTINEN: And I know that the other gentleman will want to say -- but just -- General Batiste, thank you for your service. Thank you for your brave sacrifice. Thirty-one years in the United States Army. That's truly amazing.
But I'm wondering if you really think in your heart of hearts -- sorry, the bells are going off here for a vote -- that the folks that you are targeting in this political organization that you're involved with, I wonder if the ones who are going to run against those targeted Republicans -- and they're only Republicans that are being targeted -- if you think that they're really going to join you in this calling that you have of focusing our mission and your quote is, "to defeat worldwide Islamic extremists," I wish you much success with that, General, because I don't believe that for a minute.
I believe that the people you are targeting are the ones who will want to help you in this worldwide fight against Islamic extremists. And the folks that you're working to defeat will be substituted by people who use brave generals like you as a shield and as sort of a front to make them look like they're pro-military, when in fact, they will be always against any war at any time in any place. My humble opinion.
I love everybody being involved in democracy. In my homeland in Cuba we don't have democracy. So I like parties and I like PACs and I like people running ads and targeting and advocating for policies -- no problem. But I believe, General, that maybe you might be getting used. And these people who you're targeting for defeat, and the ones who will take their place, will in no way shape or form help you in fighting what I believe is a noble mission, which is focusing on Islamic radical extremists. But that's my point of view. But thank you for your service.
And thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
REP. LANTOS: Would you care to comment, General Batiste?
GEN. BATISTE: Ma'am, only to say that when I vote now I'm very careful -- as I think all Americans are -- to study who the candidates are, to understand their positions, to make a judgment on their intelligence and their moral courage to do the right thing. And my vote in the last election when Republican in some cases and Democratic in the other. We have to use our good intelligence to make these decisions.
I think our Founding Fathers intended us to elect people to go to Washington to represent the people. And over time, over the last decade, somehow we, the people, have abrogated these responsibilities and sent people to Washington to be our leaders. I believe that's a big mistake. It's not what our Founding Fathers intended. We elect people to go to Washington to represent the people and we've stepped away from that. And my support for these ads was nothing more than a wake up call to some Republicans that I don't think understands the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan.
REP. ROS-LEHTINEN: Do you think that there --
GEN. BATISTE: Perhaps --
REP. ROS-LEHTINEN: General, do you think that there's some Democrats who might not understand? I mean, I'm just so puzzled that --
GEN. BATISTE: Sure.
REP. ROS-LEHTINEN: -- a wonderful Republican like you would only be involved in ads targeting Republicans. It's puzzling.
GEN. BATISTE: I wouldn't vote for those Democrats.
REP. ROS-LEHTINEN: Yeah, but the ads are only focusing on Republicans. I just find that interesting.
And Mr. Chairman, I'm done with it. You can go back to your line of questioning.
REP. LANTOS: Professor Cordesman, do you want to comment on Mr. Burton's observation?
MR. CORDESMAN: Mr. Chairman, I don't have any partisan links or ties. But what bothers me -- not about what Congressman Burton said, but about the whole process of what has happened here over the years since 2003 -- is we have never had a coherent plan or strategy.
We have never had honest metrics of the progress we are or are not making. The report on the surge will be very important. I think we have all said regardless of what happens it can't be decisive as early as September, but what really bothers me more than anything else and where the Congress should play, I think, a critical role is insisting that the administration has a credible political plan, a credible plan for tying in economic aid, a credible plan to look beyond what happens in Baghdad, and a credible plan to deal with what happens in the region whether we succeed or fail. And what bothers me having lived through Vietnam and lived through a president, Lyndon Johnson, who could not cope with these realities is we cannot afford to repeat that experience. And that to me is the horrifying parallel that I see. If that plan exists it needs to be presented honestly, objectively, and in ways that can win the support of the American people and provide enduring support for success. If it can't, we should not remain there.





Comments
I see Frankie is bringing out his Cordesman buddy again. Hey, Frank, how much you paying him? Or is Cordesman on the DNC payroll with you? Inquiring minds want to know!
Posted by: John D | June 27, 2007 7:16 PM
Petraeus is on his third tour of duty. Do you suppose there is some relationship with this and the fact we have been getting our xxx kicked for almost five years? Our general officers have failed us and no one complains. They have went along with really bad tactics without complaint until the were safely retired. You expect more from Petraeus than he will deliver.
Posted by: c. perry | June 27, 2007 8:09 PM
QWERTY warriors: Paulo,s. sherman,Bruce and John D.
From: we few looney left. We are going to watch with pleasure during the next few months the rats deserting the sinking ship. If Durbin does not get an exodus plan started soon, it will be every man for himself as the election day gets close. At current death levels we will reach 5,000 dead Americans before election day. Durbin is just trying to avert a disaster for his party. We looney lefters do not have dog in this Republican fight.
Looney lefter c. perry
Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2007 8:48 PM
Why do the Republicans hate the troops?
Posted by: C.Morris | June 27, 2007 9:07 PM
It's nice to see that the Republican Congressmen are concerned about a General's "Republican credentials" and NOT about fixing the Iraq disaster that was started by the Republic Party in the first place.
The GOP is bound and determined to turn the USA into Nazi Germany with them in charge.
As far as this General Patraeous goes, this guy is such a Republican tool that he was doing "re-elect George W Bush" commercials during the 04 election.
I don't believe one word Patraeous says about Iraq, he was just the only available military stooge that W. could find to help him start a troop escalation into an ongoing civil war in Iraq.
Posted by: John E | June 27, 2007 10:22 PM
This nation has some serious problems and we need to address them head on. Republicans, Democrats -- it doesn't matter. We're Americans and we're in trouble. Our military today is in trouble. Our Army and Marine Corps are at a breaking point.
Maj. Gen. John Batiste (ret.) seems to be stating the obvious.
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | June 28, 2007 12:36 AM
Once again, Johnny D shows us the true GOP colors - blame the messenger, not the message. Did Frank James invite Cordesman to testify to Congress?? Was he on the committee? Did Frank ask Cordesman for a comment OUTSIDE of what was said??
No, Johnny. Cordesman was a witness at the session. He testified before Congress, NOT Frank James. So how does that make Frank responsible for putting in his comments??
But I guess that means in your little GOP head that his words are not relevant.
Posted by: BobinATL | June 28, 2007 8:40 AM
One of the many, many reasons why the Left is Loony. 95 percent of the time, you weirdos have no clue what you're writing about! This putz seemingly thinks Durbin is a Republican out to save his party!!
From: we few looney left. We are going to watch with pleasure during the next few months the rats deserting the sinking ship. If Durbin does not get an exodus plan started soon, it will be every man for himself as the election day gets close. At current death levels we will reach 5,000 dead Americans before election day. Durbin is just trying to avert a disaster for his party. We looney lefters do not have dog in this Republican fight.
Looney lefter c. perry
Posted by: Anonymous | June 27, 2007 8:48 PM
Posted by: John D | June 28, 2007 9:00 AM
QWERTY chairborne commandos - they came, they saw, they typed.
Posted by: Doug Zook | June 28, 2007 9:47 AM
Mr. Cordesman. Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Couldn't agree more here on Iraq. But hey if were going to spend time on waging party within party debates and party on party debates afraid of acknowledging in any way the "anti-war movement" that has been ineffective so far (so who cares) I don't see us getting anywhere come September. Just more of the same. Probably along the lines of painting whatever we did in the best light yet "not enough of time" and "the Iraqi gov. has made progress just not stepped up," again bc we gave them so much to work with, with "stay the course" for several years. More of the same. Making it seem like if we only stayed longer. If the people just believed it more. I wish I was home oh I wish I was home forever tapping ruby slippers together. All of it along the lines of no it wasn't our fault we did everything we could do in the time frame set by those evil American citizens who want this thing over. Well everything being in the scope of what they had in mind and not what the Americans citizens had in mind. I can't help but notice the condescending attitude towards hardened "anti-war" advocates based on the fact they will oppose any war. Guess that means that we can automatically cross them off since there is no use in convincing them otherwise. OK. How about the others who would support a war, not just any war though and/or blindly, but have become disillusioned by the fact the only people who are aware of the US agenda and strategy exist in secret communion cloaked by PR to dum down any opposition with Congress keeping the publics attention averted to nonsense going back and forth; afraid to hurt their parties chances at a Presidency. Surely these anti-war people have nothing to add of worth, and no use in convincing them otherwise. Except for the one minor detail. That when it comes to the legitimacy of authority the burden of proof lies on the authority. Can't expect the little people to prove otherwise contending with a government "set up to represent them." It just doesn't work.
Hey, but lets spend time worrying about party politics more. As a matter of fact entertain every other issue except the one that counts, and pretend that Iraq will be as simplistic as military sweeps (Executive Solution) and when to withdrawal (Congress). This alone is a sign that the only thing coming from our government is party politics trying to pin and time Iraq to their advantage, and, yes, that will cure the problem. No problem that terrorist organizations are unlike conventional combatants. That their existence can not be won over. Just like other stateless problems, drugs or gangs. Do gang sweeps get rid of the existence of gangs? Does it matter how many "boots" we put down. Nope. We should have had a better go at it from the start and left. I like what Turkey's General Yasar Buyukanit said about going after the Kurdistans Worker Party. "Terrorism is multi-dimensional. Apart from the armed struggle, it has to be combated in other ways too. Turkey's mainly Kurdish southeast region is dogged by poverty, high unemployment, poor education and low investment. The armed conflict has hampered the region's economic progress."(Hmm or will Bush and Co spin this conclusion when its time according to their plan to get private industries in to Iraq without having to invest in it.) I'm not keen on all this new invading on the count of terrorists since in some cases one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter (yes I know its hard to swallow yet its true), but it presents the problem well. Meaning great environment to recruit. I imagine a country at war has those fertile grounds that will spawn terrorists/insurgents should we stay or should we leave. The fact that we are there is to the enemy's advantage. That is what sets it apart from drugs or gangs. You pay attention to them you give them the oxygen they exist on. You give them the initiative which the the White House (Gates Pace) implied when they said the insurgents have a "vote" in the violence. Sorry, you can't have it one way and not the other. You can not engage on their level indefinitely without changing it up, or think the amount of force alone will be enough to get rid of them bc it gives them a reason to exist. Surges are dents when it comes to terrorist or insurgents if you look at the bigger picture. Lets stop the paranoia over the withdrawal date being of significance for terrorist and insurgents. We can't prevent that. Your bound to withdrawal at one point or another. They know this. They've already marked their calendars around the date of the election (just in case). They could sit tight now, and just wait for when we do leave. If we won't they will find like minded individuals to spawn from the war time conditions and politics (that is how hate groups work). Either way its a lose lose when it comes to withdrawal dates.
Posted by: AR | June 28, 2007 5:04 PM