Illinois Democrats play hardball with Cheney

If they cut off funding for the OVP, Cheney will just hold up some liquor stores to fund it, and then claim that laws against armed robbery do not apply to the Vice President under the Constitution.

They finally found the man behind the curtain. The all powerful wizard of oz. Maybe he can get some more Haliburton money. That would be money staight from Iran because they just left Iran years after the government banned any business from doing it with Iran. Why the special treatment? I don't expect many republicans to come to his aid...they dislike him as much as the left.

Are the Hardcore Wingnuts REALLY going to defend the proposition that the Office of the Vice President is neither in the Executive nor the Legislative Branch and thus subject to no checks and balances whatsoever?

It's about time somebody started to light a fire to Dick Cheney's fat butt. When you talk about dangers to this country, Cheney has represented the most insidious kind, a hidden, shadowy, svengali who if given the chance would take over the country.

Maybe the democrats can issue a non-binding resolution calling Cheney a fat potato-head.

Our Vice President is the biggest threat to America in the world. Much, much more of a threat than all of the terrorist in the world put together. He does not believe in Government of the People. He believes in Dictatorship. We must get him out of Washington.

Thanks so much, Sen. Durbin. That really puts things into perspective.

I must inform you, however, that I'm fully aware that what I've suggested is preposterous. This wasn't the first time and it won't be the last. #$% *&.

Illinois Dickie Durbin is an embarrassment to our state and so is ram rod Rahm Emmanuel. Both are Clinonistas and apologizers for the Clinton disbarment and impeachment. Vice President Cheney was duly elected by the people of this nation not once but twice. Neither the President nor the Vice President as elected officials are effected by the Executive Order.It only applies to Cabinet members and staffers and Durbin knows this.He is just doing this to poke the eye of the President and the Vice President. Durbin is just a teenager playing grown up government. I wish he would resign as Senator before it gets any worse. I thought he flipped when he called our soldiers Soviets in their gulags or Pol Pot. It's just his stupidity on parade. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

We need to hire joey "the clown" lombardo to wack the Dick!

I have read all your posts Jerry White......is it always a full moon where you live?

San Miguel,
I believe you meant second biggest. Although Dick has big "ambitions", the decider guy has nukes.

Another Loony Lefty suggesting the assassination of a member of the Bush administration? And the morons who censor the LIBune always seem to let those posts through. What a great day it would be when someone drops a bomb on the Tribune Tower and its Washington office!
Just playing the game, folks.

By the time they're through, this will wind up being just another "non-binding resolution."

Well, lets hope they vote to de-fund that megalomaniac, Cheney. The Legislative branch does not claim 'Executive privilege'. He can't have it both ways. Either he complies with the law, or he gets defunded.

If Cheney is not apart of the Executive branch like he claims then he has no excuse for not answering a subpoena and testifying before Congress about his role in playing politics with the DOJ and his part in the outing of a CIA agent.

You are incorrect again, as usual Jerry White of Springfield. Smarmy Cheney was not duly elected by the people of this nation. And again, as usual your comments do not make much sense.
By the way Mr. White, what is chickenhawk Cheney's approval rating these days??
Cheney needs to be held accountable, impeached, and prosecuted for his criminal misdeeds.

Johnny D, why is it wrong to talk about killing members of the Bush Administration, but perfectly OK for YOU to talk about killing the Democratic leadership? Are you not responsible for your own actions?

I think we all know the President and Vice President have broken and continue to break numerous laws. Wouldn't it be great if we had a media like in the 70s that would investigate and get the goods on these guys? Where's Woodward and Bernstein when you need them?

I hope folks have been reading the "Angler" series in the Washington Post. The pieces clearly show what I've been saying for years - that Bush 43 is merely an affable, back-slapping frat boy who makes a good stage prop for Cheney and the Neocons to use to draw the attention away from what they've been doing.

But it's been Cheney and his staff who have - through force of will - been setting and executing the agenda for this Administration for the past 6-plus years. The Post series shows that on virtually all important issues (Iraq, torture, domestic surveillance, presidential power, tax cuts, energy policy, etc.), the pliable Chimpy McFlightsuit will sign just about anything that Cheney's staff puts in front of him.

I have predicted for a while that future historians will refer to 2001-2009 as the years of the "Cheney Administration" as it actually has been run by VP Cheney and his minions - not by the titular President.

Regarding "Another Loony Lefty". You seem to be trying to associate killing with liberals. Let's look at reality for a minute. There are 100,000+ dead Iraqi civilians as a result of the might on the right, unbridled. I think most will agree the author is loony, and the posting should not have been. Especially since my last entry was edited for using a slang of Mexican origin describing testicles.

The rumor is Cheney is on his way out, to be replaced by Fred Thompson. The Loony Right seems to think Thompson will be elected Prez in '08.

first things first johnDishonest--

YOU ARE A LIER

executing and assasinating are two different things...

it would be a great day in america and the world if we had courts honest enough to convict cheney for what he is guilty of... and if convicted, burn his fat ass on the stake...

that seniment is pure peace loving justice motivated love...

assasination is like what we did to mossadeq in iran in the 1950s when u had open democratic elections and women with voting rights etc... so after we assasinated this democratically elected man, we installed a murderous thug called thr shah, that is waht began the islamification of iran...

i think u are a low-life, but i don't think u are stupid... so that makes u a lier...

and that's funny, cause whatever u may think of my positions, whatever u may think of me, i'm no lier...

i don't misquote u or anyone else... but that is all u seem to do...

If we really think we can fight barbarism with barbarism (executions) I propose we start with a uniform system of execution that is envirnmentally friendly, economically sound, and can be tailored to suit the particulars of the crime. Stonings. For the most minor of offenses requiring death, a large stone could fall upon the offender while he/she sleeps unaware. The most egregious offenders getting pea-sized pebbles in public square. We could leave that up to the um, jury.

we really think we can fight barbarism with barbarism (executions) I propose we start with a uniform system of execution that is envirnmentally friendly, economically sound, and can be tailored to suit the particulars of the crime. Stonings. For the most minor of offenses requiring death, a large stone could fall upon the offender while he/she sleeps unaware. The most egregious offenders getting pea-sized pebbles in public square. We could leave that up to the um, jury.

Posted by: Barry | June 26, 2007 2:22 PM

LOL

"So if she weighs more than a duck..."

"She's a witch!"

"Precisely."

it seems some balk at the notion of executing bush and cheney?

why is this? this question isn't for the right wingers, but for the more, um, au courant...

did, or did not these 2 'people' deliberately lie about wmd in iraq to drag the country into invading a sovereign nation AT A MOMENT OF GRAVE PERIL for this country??

if u believe answer is yes, i would suggest u look up the word treason in the dictionary...

the punishment for treason is clear...

this is strikingly uncomplicated stuff... the very fact that it hasn't been done already clearly shows how far we have deteriorated as a people...

now, don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to organize a committee, becasue it will never happen, for crying out loud we can't even impeach the traitors...

i mean, my god, we all know the litany, enron, 9/11, iraq, abu ghareb, katrina, on and on the list of grave failures goes... coupled always with extra-constitutional secrecy and obfuscation, duffle bags full of cash being flown out of the country, etc...

so we can discuss the finer points if u prefer, i salute dick durbin, i hope they can smash cheney's vice presidential spheres... i wish we had more like him...

just don't anyone ever expect me to regard bush/cheney as anything other than traitors to the nation, murderers, torturers, underminers of the constitution, etc...

in short, most highly deserving of the severest punishments possible under our body of laws

yes seth, we must have executions, for it is written...

Hyperbole aside seth,
Intentionally taking the life of another human makes you a killer, regardless of what you call it. Once you become a killer, you remain a killer all your days. The human spirit is contorted beyond repair by the act and the soul is forever stained by it. So whether it's Iraqi insurgents, the vice president, or any other human being, please do not kill them on my behalf.

Whoa, what's all this business about executions and assasinations? Easy there guys.

I think Rahm is on the right track. If Cheney is serious about his office being outside the executive branch (despite his earlier claims of executive priviledge) and exempt from Congressional oversight, then he is clearly outside the scope of normal government funding. I'm sure he'll have no problem raising funds to run his own office, but he should be paying rent for any office space he uses in our government buildings.

Loony Lefty Sethy, since dt loved to point out my spelling error yesterday, i will do the same to you: It's liar, not lier.

Now, that this business is done: Tony, my boy, read the post again, OK? I say I am playing the game. If your ilk can talk about killing Bush, Cheney, whomever, then I'll do the same for your kindred, which includes the Demoncrats and their co-conspirators in the media.

And Sethy, you really do need to be locked up. Heavens, I think you're even more off your rocker than John E. And that IS saying something!

ok, hyperbole aside...

i'm not killing anyone... i don't have an aggressive bone in my body... defensive, well that is something different...

john D. - i stand corrected, you are a Liar-- and for u to talk about killing democrats who are guilty of no capital crimes, is not exactly the same as broaching the subject regarding those who have...

if the show fits, wear it...

john D, i don't have even the merest regard for your opinions... the germans who supported hitler in the early thirties weren't invaders from mars, they were 'normal' germans living in the most sophisticated country in the world...

my personal opinion is that anyone who ever supported bush is a fascist, whether they realize it or not, but with an eye toward moderation, i can safely say that anyone who continues to support him is decidely so...

and again the list goes on... utter contempt for the rule of law...

if 2 weeks ago one of the 'lefties' posed the question to the 'righties' how would u react if cheney declared himself exempt from all effective oversight by claiming that the vice presidency is not part of the exectutive branch-- the answer would have been straight forward...

'more lefty conspiracy theories... sure if cheney abused his power so blatantly he should be impeached, but he will never do it, so stop making up doomsday scenerios, etc...'

but here we are, and without missing a beat, the most blatant abuse of executive branch power in the history of the country doesn't even register in the minds of the pod people...

i may be uncouth, but i'm no liar, lier, or otherwise and i respect the rule of law in all things...

you cannot say that about yourself... well, maybe u will say it, but it would not be true...

i've been on here a few weeks now, and i've seen u run from every post...

u make assertions that are shown to be false, and -poof- u are off to the next post...

typical wing nut progression...

answer me one question johnD, if 65% of the venezuelan people want chavez to be their president, do we have ANY moral right to depose him?

should the USA now move towards hot animosity with the people of latin america? not the overly caked up makeup wearing prostitutes of the latin american right wing-- but the people...

tread carefully...

Cheney is a traitor and should be treated accordingly. This man is the most corrupt VP ever. Though apparently not part of the Executive branch of government. p.s. John D please seek professional help.

Hardball would be introducing articles of impeachment. Not these wimpish, non-binding political stunts. Stand up and do what needs to be done.

Durbin and Emanual dont have a backbone to stand up straight with. I am no fan of Cheney's by any means....Cheney is truly evil. What are Durbin and emanual going to do, cut off funding like they did in Iraq? The truth is those two and their dumocratic ilk will wash dishes and shine shoes for Cheney whenever Cheney tells them too. Durbin and Emanual are of the party of idosrganization and party of failure. Dumocrats, what are they goof for????...oh yeah, washing dishes and taking out the trash. Oh and how can forget the third of the three stooges, dumocrat obama...actually forgetting about how useless obama is the easiest of all. Obama is the biggest fraud of the three.

Cutting off funding for Cheney won't mean a thing - He'll just live off his Haliburton money!

Neither the President nor the Vice President as elected officials are effected by the Executive Order.

Every time the Republicans get caught in their lies and hypocrisy and can't defend themselves, they start making up lies like this to try to hide their other lies. Cheney has hidden behind executive priviledge every time he wanted to cover his illegal activity and secret business deals. It speaks volumes about the character of the people on this board who continue to defend this kind of lying. And you know who you are.

John D, please pay me for your last visit. Don't forget to take the Meds I gave you.

The first problem with that letter is that it calls shotgun dick "honorable". The only thing that megalomaniac honors is his filthy blood money.

I can't wait until Vice President Obama makes the same claim. And President Clinton pulls out the arguments presented today to back it up. The repubitard's heads will explode.

I can't wait until Vice President Obama makes the same claim. And President Clinton pulls out the arguments presented today to back it up. The repubitard's heads will explode. ut I am sure Speaker Pelosi will support them! rotflmao

I am not a lefty or a righty. The world is too complicated a place to exist on the peripherals of the political spectrum. I was not actually serious about having the Dick whacked (whacking - while in some cases seemingly desirable - would not be legal) - I was just exercising my constitutional right before it is taken away. However, emperor Cheney (and anyone who buys anything he has to say) is indeed guilty of treason, is a fascist, and should be dealt with "Nuremberg style"! Let em hang!!!!!!!

I am proud of our senators/congressmen for their actions even though they are only symbolic gestures. Hopefully, this will motivate more people in our government (and public) to stand up and tell these traitors to stop “pissin on our backs n’ tellin us it’s rainin”.

To those who seem confused: don’t forget who ran things (FDR/Truman in case you forgot) back when we turned our enemies into dust (some of it radioactive) and rebuilt the world. There is simply no need to attack when there is no REAL threat to our way of life. However, if there is a REAL threat, it must be dealt with decisively (see WW2). Several thousand malnourished extremists (some of whom can only read the Koran) trained on a playground (or by us in certain cases – Special thanks to Reagan, bush, and dick on that one!!!) are not a REAL threat. Some people seem to forget that rather quickly because they have not TRULY lost anything (I’m talking entire cities laid to waste) and are subjected to constant fear tactics. Open your eyes!

Uh, Dick, Rahm, don't you guys have things better to do than threatening to defund the Vice President's office? Like, presenting an actual legislative agenda? No wonder why Congress has a 14% approval rating.

Hello? Hello? Anyone home?

Mrs. J, from your post:

"Every time the Republicans get caught in their lies and hypocrisy and can't defend themselves, they start making up lies like this to try to hide their other lies. Cheney has hidden behind executive priviledge every time he wanted to cover his illegal activity and secret business deals. It speaks volumes about the character of the people on this board who continue to defend this kind of lying. And you know who you are."

You can replace Republican and Cheney with Democrat and Clinton all throughout the 1990s in regard to campaign finance laws being broken, perjury, lying under oath, the attempted personal and political character assassnation of Billy Dale and the White House Travel Office, 900 FBI files on Republicans illegally being in the White House, "no, clear legal authority" Al Gore, the retaliation upon Linda Tripp, Kathleen Willey and whomever else got in the Clinton's way, would you like me to ocntinue??? i easily could. Hmmm, selling of the Lincoln Bedroom, illegal coffee klatches in the White House, blow jobs while conjoling Congressmen to send American troops to war. Still want more???

John D didn't anyone tell you that half the reason guys become president is to get blow jobs???

HELLO!!!

Johnny D-

Billy Dale and the folks at the White House travel office serve at the pleasure of the President, just like US Attormey's right? If it's no big deal to fire US attorneys for political reasons why are you so bent out of shape about firing travel agents?

Seth, I beg your forgiveness. I am not a very smart man, I just assumed that you were in favor of executing the vice president with cause. It must have been my inability to understand that is the problem. I just thought that since you started your comment with "it seems some balk at the notion of executing bush and cheney", that you were indeed for this notion. My inability to understand is certainly the root of this problem and once again I apologize for any angst my ignorance may have caused you.

JohnD, following your logic, Bush should be getting blow jobs too.

since we're bringing up the killing of politicians, here's a Republican proud of talking about killing Bill and Hillary Clinton:

[quote]
During the June 20 edition of his CNN Headline News show, Glenn Beck hosted Michael Graham, a conservative radio talk show host, who said that, while watching a spoof of a scene from the series finale of HBO's The Sopranos filmed by former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY), he wanted to see someone "whack" the Clintons. Beck, while smiling, said he "did not want to see that." Graham's comments were not edited out of subsequent airings of the program. Instead, CNN aired the same version of the show -- including Graham's remark about wanting to see "somebody come in ... and just whack" the Clintons -- at 7 and 9 p.m. ET on June 20 and at midnight on June 21.

The Think Progress weblog noted Graham's comments on June 21.

This is not the first time Graham has used violent rhetoric while discussing the Clintons. On the May 7, 2003, edition of MSNBC's Hardball, Graham said: "Anyone listening to Hillary Rodham in her speech last week about patriotism, that screaming, screeching fingernail, I wanted to bludgeon her with a tire iron."
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from Mediamatters.com, 6/20/2007

You conservatives are such kind and peaceful people.

John D and Jerry White,

You both take your turns ripping straw men and throwing out red herrings, but are either of you going to support the proposition that the Vice President, who has claimed Executive Prilvilege to keep almost all of his dealings secret, is not part of the Executive Branch and thus not subject to the 1995 Executive Order on Classification?

barry, apparantly my last post is the one that confused you...

i am 100% in favor of trying bush/cheney et al for treason, and if convicted, for the severest of sentences...

just so we are clear.

I think the confusion lies in the fact that you want executions but you do not want to take credit or be responsible for them, you want to remain non-aggresive, but still get the killing done.

That and a lack of a font for sarcasm.

i noted u'r sarcasm, as it was literally dripping off your post, u didn't detect mine? what the hell are u talking about??

credit and responsibility??

i'm speaking as a citizen... u show me the petition for trying these criminals for treason and i'll be happy to sign it, first name last name, address, phone number, everything...

what are u saying, because i'm not a murderer, i can't be in favor of traitors being executed??

boy that is a stretch, not entirely unfounded, but a stretch... what are u criticizing me for? because i am not against capital punishment?

i am in favor of capital punishment, generally, i have reservations due to the fact that those least deserving get executed, and those most deserving barely know they are in jail...

obfuscate all u want... they are guilty (in my opinion) of heinous crimes aginst this nation, and if a case was brought competantly, and a jury decided so, then let them reap what they deserve...

are u only in favor of justice being meted out when it is some poor city kid??
if some dumb kid steals a car worth $20,000 what is their punishment? 1, maybe 2 years in jail?? OK

To make the numbers nice, lets say its 2 years in jail for a $24,000 car... that gives us 1 month in jail for every $1,000 stolen...

I would love to see that be the measure of the law... strictly for non-violent offenses here... and no special jails either...

some business man absconds with millions... baby u'r goin to jail for life...

it seems some balk at the notion of executing bush and cheney.
I would hope they would balk at the idea of executing a sitting President and Vice President, regardless of their approval rating, some I hope, might even insist on a trial before making that decision.

Obfuscation is the relationship between executing the president and the disparate treatment of individuals by the judicial system along socio-economic lines.