Obama, Edwards favored by progressive voters

If Politico.com told me the sky was blue, I'd check it for myself. This is not a non-partisan organization.

Christi, dear, they are favored by LIBERAL, or FAR LEFT LOON voters, not progressives. Call them what they are, don't hide behind "soft" wording.

Johnny D'Luded,

What's up with the "dear" stuff when you respond to women?

As a family value Republican, aren't you supposed to be on to your 3rd+ wife by now?

Three articles so far on the "Take Back America" Conference of "progressives", by 2 Trib reporters. This article on a "straw poll" which only 1 out of 4 conference attendees bothered to fill out and which is only headlined because Obama (who is losing bigtime in the actual polls) won.

Christi, how come you and Frank didn't cover the CPAC Conference of conservatives like this? How come you didn't cover CPAC at all?

From Real Clear Politics (which is often cited in the Tribune), a rundown of the 7 latest national polls. These are real polls, by real polling organizations, of random samples of voters, and are thus light years preferable to the TBA "straw poll". Since all 7 show Obama the Messiah losing bigtime, the Obama-for-president "Swamp" doesn't mention these, instead running an article on the intellectually worthless straw poll Obama did win.

Cook/RT Strategies 06/15 - 06/17 380 RV 30 20 13 9 Clinton +10.0 over Obama
USA Today/Gallup 06/11 - 06/14 1007 A 33 21 11 18 Clinton +12.0
Rasmussen 06/11 - 06/14 775 LV 38 27 16 -- Clinton +11.0
American Res. Group 06/09 - 06/12 600 LV 39 19 13 -- Clinton +20.0
NBC/WSJ 06/08 - 06/11 Adults 39 25 15 -- Clinton +14.0
Quinnipiac 06/05 - 06/11 789 LV 35 21 9 18 Clinton +14.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 06/07 - 06/10 449 LV 33 22 8 15 Clinton +11.0

Funny what the "Swamp" omits, isn't it?

I don't trust Politico either. They're rather like Fox News.

For the record, this LIBERAL, progressive voter would prefer Kucinich, but the media has decided he's unelectable.

Posted by John D June 20, 2007 5:13 PM

"Christi dear"?

What is it with you Republicans?
Why do you constantly talk down to women, Dyslin?

I think Politico.com is where the knuckledragging rightwing gets some of their propaganda.

John D,
Your silence in this forum is going to be so cool following the 08 elections.

The Republican Party's days of lying, stealing, and robbing the country blind are over. Get used to it. You guys get taken in time and time again by every money grubbing millionaire that comes along. NOT this time. You don't have ONE electable candidate and you KNOW it. So I guess you guys will be staying home on election day. Pouting and stomping your feet, just like little prince georgie.

To be part of the whopping 700 that polled,one of the criterions was... 1.You must have been a former illegal drug user/or
2.You don't believe in paying parking tickets.
...the shady land and stock dealings were too much for this welfare,loser,1960 re-tread crowd....Another great Obama poll...issued by The 'progressive' Swamp!

Paulo

Rick,
Your silence in this forum is going to be so cool following the 08 elections.

Why are you looking forward to someone with whom you disagree being silenced? If you do not like debate, why do you post here?

"The Politico" is as fair and balanced as Faux News. Sorry, not interested in any 'reporting' from that organization.

Does the Tribune style book have "progressive" as a synonym for "liberal." I doubt it, because no dictionary I have searched has that meaning for "progressive." In fact, Canada has had a Conservative Progressive party. Herbert Hoover styled himself as a progressive. Liberals, by their nature, are regressive, believing in higher general taxes, like the regressive sales tax. Conversely, the last Progressive Party in the U.S. was supported by the Communist Party of the U.S. and reportedly financed by the Soviet Union, so much so that its presidential candidate, Henry Wallace, quit the party. Is that the legacy that the current day liberals and the Tribune are referencing? If so, good luck in selling that tune.

Hey, I'm just being kind to these women! Anything wrong, with that? Plus folks like Cheryl and Janet are pretty slow so I'm just trying to help them understand.

With Catherine, we have a nice little rapport.

Alright! Good for Obama and Edwards!

I think?...

"Rick,
Your silence in this forum is going to be so cool following the 08 elections.

Why are you looking forward to someone with whom you disagree being silenced? If you do not like debate, why do you post here?"

Posted by: S. Sherman | June 20, 2007 07:48 PM

Because, Sherm, John D doesn't debate. He resorts to name calling and stupid crap like:

"Christi, dear, they are favored by LIBERAL, or FAR LEFT LOON voters, not progressives. Call them what they are, don't hide behind "soft" wording."

Posted by: John D | June 20, 2007 5:13 PM

and

"JFK Democrat, you took the words right out of my mouth. Pelooooozi is a grotesque mistake. Miss Bug Eyes is an embarrassment and a hypocrite. What's the status of Congressman Jefferson, Ms. Pelooooozi?"

Posted by: John D | June 20, 2007 5:11 PM

If this is what you consider debate, Sherm, my 11 year old son could run circles around both you and John D. I suspect the both of you will have very little to say after 08. You'll be having much crow to regurgitate.

I can't believe I'm reading all this crap. As has been said before, who cares about early polls. However, your narrowminded and vindictive responses to whatever politico.com members responded to the poll is more reflective of extreme ignorance. Cool it. Even if I agreed with your opinons I'd be embarassed by your silly, stupid, infantile responses - hear me John D., S. Sherman?!? I mean come on. I wouldn't go so far as to say silenced, but matured? I'm all for it. Come up with some intelligent comments without right-wing putdowns about the left (which are about as tired as Rush without his oxycotin...)oops!!! now you got me going.....

Sorry Mahalo,

Liberals support progressive taxes, which, by definition, tax the people who can afford it the most at a higher rate than those who can afford it the least.

Your claim that liberals support regressive taxes is absolutely false;

regressive tax - definition of regressive tax - A tax that takes a larger percentage of the income of low-income people than of high-income people.

That's why conservatives are always pushing for a "flat" tax. They can't understand why a person making $30,000 a year would have a harder time paying a 12% tax than someone making $300,000. Gotta love those "compassionate conservatives".

dt, I don't expect you to understand cause your incapable of rational, intelligent thought, but please explain how the gas taxes put on us by the Democcrats in Washington and Illinois is a "progressive" tax and not a "regressive" tax? Or why in Chicago, there is a 10 percent sales tax. Sales taxes are pretty regressive, dt. How about Roddy's GRT tax? Or all the taxes we pay on the phone bill, cable bill, gas bill, electric bill? All regressive taxes, dt.

Man, you Loony Lefters are more lame and ignorant than imaginable!

John D.,

The "regressive taxes" you mention are not exclusively championed by democrats. My home state has been heavily republican for decades, they love gas taxes, have raised sales taxes several times.

I've been reading The Swamp for a while now and I think I see what's wrong with America. What this country needs is a 12 steps to political independence program. Our government, in Washington, is non-functional. So locked into partisan name calling that nothing of real consequence can happen, except to go to war, which always seems to be a viable option. I would like to see the American people all drop out of both the Democratic and Republican parties and start thinking for themselves. What a great message to the folks in Washington if everyone in the country re-registered as independents not aligned with any political party. What a great thing for America if the voters began looking at each individual candidate as a person, not part of a group, R, D, G, L, C. Do we have what it takes to declare our independence one more time?

San Miguel,

The only people I know of who aren't thinking for themselves are the 29% dead-enders who still support Dubya.

But seriously. Under our form of government, you either play ball in the D or R ballpark or you're outside looking in. Or you're a SPOILER, like Ralph Nader.

San Miguel, Doug is right. For the past 13 years, the right wingers have prevented this country from accomplishing anything worthwhile. In 1994, Newt Gingrich and his band of whackos took command of Congress and drove debate until just this past November. It's only been 6 months since we've regained control (barely) of Congress. Vote Democratic in 2008 and let's get the country going back in the right direction. Republicans have proven over and over they can't govern.

Johnny D,
Why do you lie? 10% sales tax? It's hard to make a point when you lie and exaggerate. Please stop telling lies.

Doug & weinerdog43
I have been registered as a Republican, Democrat, Independent. I have always made it a point to vote the person, not the party, however I was registered at the time. Since GWB took office, I have voted a straight Democratic ticket every election. It does not feel good to do this, but I can't bring myself to vote for a Republican right now. I just love America too much to do that.

"The Politico" is as fair and balanced as Faux News. Sorry, not interested in any 'reporting' from that organization. "

..so let's see Wienerdog, you can't wait for this year's Yearly Kos meeting and you won't listen to any alternative point of view and have set up your defense mechanisms to refer to Fox news in a childish manner.

This explains a lot.

You and David K. friends?

"Christi, dear,..."

Posted by: John D | June 20, 2007 5:13 PM

Hmm another patronizing attitude toward a woman displayed by Johnny D. Why do you talk down to women? Is it because you are alone?

Oh Janet, when they come as dumb as you, talking down is the thing to do. And Janet, darling, what is CHicago's sales tax rate? Do you even know? Because even though it isn't 10 percent, it is 9 percent, and if you think 9 percent is an acceptable sales tax rate, then you really are one big loon! Please go into the poorer neighborhoods and tell the folks there that for every dollar they spend, add another 9 cents. Tell them that the $20 pair of jeans at Wal Mart, is actually $21.80. Tell them that that $3.60 gallon of gas would be at about 33 cents a gallon less if they didn't have a 9 percent sales tax in there, which is on top of the Crooked County gas tax, Illinois state gas tax, federal gas tax, RTA tax. Tell them all those taxes add about 70 cents to a gallon of gas -- seven times what the oil company makes on a gallon of gas. OK, Janet, dear??

San Miguel,

Your vote, my vote, our vote...

"Tell them all those taxes add about 70 cents to a gallon of gas -- seven times what the oil company makes on a gallon of gas. OK, Janet, dear??"

John D,

I hate to break up your "game," which, as you've mentioned already, so clearly works with Catherine, but DOE reports that on a national average, taxes account for 13% of the price per gallon. Assuming the gas is purchased from a "major" which owns the refinery, the 87% remainder is their own raw crude, refining, marketing and distribution costs. So let's shed a tear for the oil companies, shall we? I didn't think so.

Sorry stud, but your math doesn't add up.

BTW, John Vicious.

To clarify re. regressive taxes above. I'm not denying that a gas tax is a regressive tax, by nature. When I addressed Mahalo above I was referring primarily to income taxes, as I assumed he was.

But, to put things in perspective, the money to maintain roads, build state highways, fund national defense, has to come from somewhere. Repubs and Dems alike have embraced gas taxes as one means to this end.

The best way to lessen reliance on regressive taxes like gas taxes, phone taxes, etc., is to maintain tax policies that assure a healthy and progressive income-tax stream. Providing tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans isn't going to accomplish that (supply-side economics is a fraud). Given your sudden concern for joe-working- class, you shouldn't have an objection to this approach.

Kenny Bunkhead, you quote "national average" for gasoline taxes. Some states there is only the federal gas tax, no state or local taxes. I am talking about gas taxes in Illinois and specifically Crooked County and Chicago. The Chicago area, I believe, has the HIGHEST gas taxes in the nation, which is one reason Chicago has the HIGHEST gas prices in the nation, including Hawaii.

State of Illinois has sales tax on gas (8 percent), a gas tax (10 cents), then you have the federal tax (22 cents), Crooked County tax (10 cents), the RTA tax (5 cents) and local sales taxes, which can range anywhere from a .25 percent to 1 percent.