Bush versus Democrats fires up both sides, say DC pros

They'll all be asking what happened. There is a growing movement in this country to elect someone like Ron Paul even though he is a Republican. Just listen to the callers on Washington Journal in the morning. People are fed-up with the partisan politics. Give me some good independent choices (Lieberman NOT) and I'm there.

Is this anymore evident than in the posts in the swamp? Bending over backward to "spin" the talking points instead of calling a wrong...a wrong.

As much as the Commander Guy and Darth Cheney deserve to be Impeached, it's actually better that the Dems let the two schmucks hang around until Jan 09.

The W. adiminstration is killing what little credibility the fascist Republican party has left and polls aren't an indicator right now because they are mainly only a name recognition indicator this early.
What is an indicator of how bad the Republican brand name stinks these days is that Democratic candidates for President have out raised the Republicans by nearly $30 million, already.

See ya at the voting booth in 08, Republicriminals!

The Democrats are in a dilemma. For more than 6 years they have been screamed at, kicked in the dairy air, dragged through the mud, slandered, and urinated on by the vicious, self-aggrandizing, pompous Republicans. Now that the Republicans are being exposed for what they are - vicious, self-aggrandizing, pompous hypocrits- they (Republicans) say "er uh, uh, can't we all just get along. We don't need to be fighting, let's work together." Either the Democrats agree, and be seen as punks, or they say "heck no", keep punching, and be seen as unpatriotic, divisive, rabble. That is their dilemma. I think the Democratic base needs to insist on strong, decisive, in your face politics that helps to offset the trend toward social conservatism which we have seen over the last few years.

The bottom line is this: whether we voted in this current administation or not (I didn't), BushCo and the Republican Congress had 6 years for their policies to work. Needless to say, they failed and they failed spectacularly. The electorate may be stupid, but not so stupid they will play a losing hand again. Bush's policies may have benefitied the war profiteers, the energy consortiums, big pharmaceutical, the top 1%, but not Joe Smo. The Gop has played the patriot card, the fear card, the morality card, all to maximum effect to distract the Joe Smo's. It won't work anymore, games up. Polls confirm that people, short of the 28% dead-enders, know when someone's blowing smoke up their arse.

Sinse none of the leading Repub. Presidential contenders have a plan thats significantly different than BushCo, they can kiss 2008 good bye.

Here's one of our former Presidents weighing in on the George W Bush administration/Scooter Libby scandal:

"If the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House of Representitives can Impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty".

James Madison

-4th President of the United States (1804-1817)
-one of the "fathers of the constitution"
-helped frame the Bill of Rights
-helped form the Republican Party

Repuke themes for 2008: 'The Dems are more corrupt than us...Well, let's try something else'
'The Dems are big spenders...Ummm, no.' 'The Dems are interventionists!...Jeez, not that either.' 'The Dems will be soft on crime...Oops, Hi Scooter!' 'People hate the Dems more than us!...Uh, nice try 26%ers.'

So what is the 2008 Repuke party going to campaign on? 'Oh look, John Edwards had a $400 haircut!'. Cue the Trib to report and off you go.

The Bush administration has stabbed the American public in the back and are sitting back and laughing about it. Lil' Kim did time in jail for perjury. Hell, even Martha Stewart and Paris Hilton were more of a man than Scooter. At least they faced their crime and did some time. When asked about his legacy, little prince silver spoon in his nose said he was "proud of my tax cuts". Pathetic. The revolution can't come soon enough.

Johnnny E googling some history! Too bad your party is nothing but corruption, Johnny E.

Really, how could you Leftwing goofs even begin to think about whining any Republican with all the Dumbocrap shenanigans in Illinois. The Boy Governor (who in six years has spent all of six days in Springfield and has investigations up the ying yang), the Boy Crooked County president who keeps changing his story about when he was diagnosed with cancer and can't even run this county, Tony Rezko and Obama and the Boy Governor, Giannoulous and his corruption and then there is all the corruption in Chicago.
And GW, if you want "vicious," please all the nonsense your side puts out day in and day out. Makes anything us right wingers write and say look like a preacher's sermon!

The backlash against the Republicans for attacking gays, immigrants, secularists, and anyone that doesn't support the quagmire in Iraq has them shaking in their boots. The vast majority of Americans are reasonable people who understand that the pluralistic nature of our country is what makes it so great. We also value a solid foreign policy. Buah and Cheney have done longlasting damage to the Grand Old Party.

John E:

Did you ever hear the old saying that text without context is pretext? This is exactly the problem with your out-of-context quote from Madison.

Madison didn’t say that a president’s mere connection with a suspicious person, or his desire to shelter that suspicious person, would provide grounds for impeachment. His statement was in response to a specific claim by George Mason, during the Virginia Ratification Convention, that the President shouldn’t have any pardon powers because he might counsel another to commit a crime and then pardon that person in order to thwart any investigation into his own wrongdoing.

Madison point was to show that Mason’s argument, on its own terms, was unfounded. It was unfounded, according to Madison, because the specific remedy of impeachment would apply if the president counseled someone to commit a crime and then tried to harbor him.

Consider the fact that Madison was largely responsible for the content of the Constitution, and had attended every session of the Philadelphia convention when the Constitution was written. He of all people, had to know that Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution required impeachment for, and conviction of a crime for the President to be removed from office. Treason, Bribery, a high crime and a misdemeanor are all crimes.

On the other hand, the mere association with a suspicious person is not, and never has been, a crime. Had such behavior constituted a crime, or provided grounds for impeachment, most of the Presidents of the United States, including Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton, would have been liable to impeachment on this ground alone. We cannot attribute to Madison the absurd and contradictory position of claiming that a non-crime could furnish grounds for impeachment. As such, you cannot take his argument at the Virginia convention out of context the way you have.

His statement was in response to a specific claim by George Mason, during the Virginia Ratification Convention, that the President shouldn’t have any pardon powers because he might counsel another to commit a crime and then pardon
that person in order to thwart any investigation into his own wrongdoing.
Posted by: John W. | July 6, 2007 5:35 AM

Sounds like it's spot on to me.

"And GW, if you want "vicious," please all the nonsense your side puts out day in and day out. Makes anything us right wingers write and say look like a preacher's sermon!" - Little Johnny D.

Hey Johnny - 2 words for you and yours:

Ann Coulter

Preacher's sermon, eh??

But I loved your post - you can tell when the Bush apologists are in trouble. They immediately resort to pointing fingers instead of responding with facts.

It may come as a surprise to the Bush haters, but George Bush is not running for reelection. Still, that has not slowed the do-nothing Democratic Congress which can do one thing: issue subpoenas for hearings that do nothing for their 86 percent disapproval rating. By one count, according to the Wall Street Journal today, "the new Democratic Congress has held over 600 oversight hearings since assuming power. Given the Senate has only been in session 100 days (the House, 92 days), that works out to six hearings per day, or one every 1.5 hours. The bashing covers everything from wiretapping to President Bush's global warming science." Oh, but wait. The Democratic Congress had time to quietly sneak through a pay raise for themselves. No long-winded public hearings on that matter.

President Bush and Vice President Cheney have to confront the Democrats it is survive or die with these egomaniacs of the Jackass persuasion.Harry Reid, Dickie Durbin, Nancy Pelosi, Chuckie Schumer,Henry Waxman, John Conyers,Pat Leahy, all are fighting each other for the top Dem dog of viciousness award. It's time W stands up to these people. The economy and the stock market are great, the tax cuts laughed at by you koolaid drinkers have brought in record money to IRS and strengthened our economy despite Islamic jihadists, 911 and other strains on our economy. The President and his adminmistration have done an excellent job and the Dems are running against him even though he is not up for election. Keeep it up Dems we'll beat you in 08 because you have only passed the minimum wage everything else is an attack on steroids. You had your chance and all you did was launch some 300 investigations with 600 oversight hearings in just about 100 days. But, you have no legislation on all the things you talk about just one more speech after another. It is just sound and fury signifying nothing. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

Sounds like it's spot on to me.

Posted by: bill r. | July 6, 2007 8:14 AM

Not exactly. You have one missing element of proof. There is no evidence the President counseled Libby to commit a crime. However much you might like to think that such is the case, desire is no substitute for evidence.

Bobin, you may say Ann Coulter, but what about Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell, Sean Penn, Alec "I'm gonna beat your a$$ good, little pig girl" Baldwin, John E., Raving Loon, dt, you and countless others and your viciousness. Would you like more names, Bobin??

Jerry, Hurry up, come on, you'll be late for your weekly brainwashing session.