'It's al Qaeda,' White House says, different but still a threat

Looks like I scooped you twice this week.

It's good that they listen to citizens, Now they just have to learn to tell the truth.
Comment on: 29218234.story on 7/8/2007 11:52 PM
A message you never get from corporate.governmental.media LLC we light em you fight em. is this. When alqueada attacked America on 9/11 it had roughly 5000 members. Most of them, including their leadership, live free lives. The people we are calling alqueada today, most likely never heard of alqueada until after that day. The people the media keep calling alqueada, over and over and over again, had nothing to do with the cole, 9/11 or any other alqueada style attack. This message is not sanctioned by the folks at corporate.governmental.media LLC. The we know what is good for you company.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might see it come true. That is the case with Al Qaeda. This is something that Bush willed to be so. Since Saddam did not tolerate anybody or group in Iraq who was not under his control, Al Qaeda did not exist except is some small remote area in the Northeast. The mantra "Iraq is better off without Saddam" was repeated by Bush and everybody who supported this war from the beginning. Saddam did not kill any Americans, there were no suicide bombers, no carbombings, no kidnapping, no sabbotage of oil pipelines. None of that happened until we put our big fat butt in Iraq and opened the door for Al Qaeda and everybody else. Iraq is not better with Saddam gone, and it sure is not better with us there running around getting shot at trying to find an elusive band of bloodthirsty nihilists. When a new president is sworn in on Jan 09 patriotic Americans should get together, tar and feather Bush/Cheney, and run them straight down the mall and out of DC. All in favor say "aye"

Since Dubya ordered the surge, approximatly 600 of our military personnel have been killed in the Iraqi Civil War.

During that time the Iraqi government has made negative progress in forging a political compromise of the various warring factions. In fact, Darth Cheney had to lean on al-Maliki for the Iraqi Parliament not to take their usual summer hiatus.

So here we are. Dubya & the mouthpieces are pleading for us to wait until September for their interim report.

Why? Why, if there is no political solution on the horizon should we wait for more of our brave military personnel to die for something the Iraqis don't want?

Condolezza Rice should be camped outside al-Maliki's office demanding a political solution. While she's doing that our military should be leaving.

With the chance of the attacks in England being Al-Quaeda, I suggest we invade England to prevent them from coming here. According to Tony, I guess they could only afford a ticket as far as to England.

I always wondered how stories ariginated.

Comment on: Poll: Bush approval drops to low of 29% on 7/10/2007 3:02 PM
This is supposed to be news? What people think of events, without explaining the events. Why are so many against the war? What would make so many people think this war is good. (besides the incessant cheerleading by corporate.governmental.media LLC the, we tell you what we want you to think corp.) This would have been a great piece to include yesterdays revelation that we had opportunities to kill actual alqueada leaders (the ones who attacked us) but chose instead to look under every rock in Iraq and kill people and label them as alqueada. Or they could have mentioned that 100,000 innocent lives have been taken in our names under false pretenses. Maybe include a note to god begging for his forgiveness on behalf of those who's faith prohibits killing. People think what they think based on what corporate.governmental.media LLC tells them over and over day after day. Like the way you ended this article. Let's leave them with the feeling only radical leftists want bush impeached. You are evil geniuses. Thank you for the war, thank you for bush/cheney, thank you for not mentioning osama is still poised to repeat another 9/11 so,somehow killing all those iraqis may seem justified, the dreaded september report will become back burner news, and we can give up what little freedom we still think we have. But boy oh boy, will you folks be busy giving us all the exclusive details. I just want to hear the truth one time in the media, it sounds like this. If we kill every single plant, animal, and human in Iraq, Alqueada will still have just about all it's original members, minus a few pilots. A word to the wise, stockup on iodine and supplies before September. See, that's the news people need.

“The same people that attacked us on September the 11th is the crowd that is now bombing people"
"It doesn’t mean that they're not going to try to come here,"
"we are fighting them there so that they don't come over here.’’
That doesn't mean that there are not terrorists who are going to try to find plane tickets, who are going to try to get across the border,’’

The people in this administration told us so many lies they can't keep their statements consistent any more. I also see today that since our government's Iraq efforts have not achieved any of the benchmarks previously set, we are discounting their value and touting new benchmarks that have already been achieved. Sad.

Almost 6 yrs. Thousands of lives lost. Billions of dollars and al Qaeda's managed to continue terrorist activities and rebuild their organisation. We must hold George Bush our "Commander in Chief" responsible!

Should we all pee in our pants now and hide under our beds, like the Republicans want us to do. Sorry, Silva, I'm not joining you under there.

And, thanks to Bush, Al Qaeda is stronger than ever:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19717961/site/newsweek/

For years, George W. Bush and the GOP have been boasting that America is winning the fight against Al-Qaeda.
You'd think that Bush would have learned a lesson in humility after his 2003 PR stunt fiasco when he strutted in his flightsuit across the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln beneath the "Mission Accomplished" banner. I mean, here we are four bloody years later, and no end in sight in Iraq's civil war.
And now Bush's boast that America is winning in the fight against al-Qaeda has been completely debunked by the new report by U.S. intelligence analysts.

This latest revelation makes a mockery of the cocky claims that we've been hearing from Bush and his supporters over the years. For example, on Sept. 7, 2006, Bush boasted in a speech to the Georgia Public Policy Foundation that "America is safer and America is winning the War on Terror."
Any comments Little Johnny Dipshitz?

I think that the video of the 9/11 attack should be shown on TV every day,maybe then some of the non belivers in our society will remember what we are fighting for and why we must prevail in this ruthless battle. Thease murderers are not going to go away, they have to be stopped NOW.

I think that the video of the 9/11 attack should be shown on TV every day,maybe then some of the non belivers in our society will remember what we are fighting for and why we must prevail in this ruthless battle. Thease murderers are not going to go away, they have to be stopped NOW.

Posted by: Jim LaCaeyse | July 12, 2007 9:50 AM

I think we all agree with you Jim. We should fight terror. We could start with cleaning out the Whitehouse of inept leaders such as Mr Bush and DICK Cheney. The fighting in Iraq only makes the problem worse. End the error. Bring em home!!!

Aye!

Bizarro White House Adventures

Scene: At the weekly Department of Homeland Security press briefing, Secretary Chertoff steps up to the podium.

Chertoff: I have no prepared statements to make today, so I'll take your questions now. Please be aware that in a half hour I have a briefing with President Chen... er, I mean President Bush and Vice President Cheney--just a slip of the tongue, I assure you--so I'll need to keep this Q&A session very brief. Yes, the lady in the blue burqa.

Reporter: Azeeza Badriyyah Abd al-Hakiim, of Al Jazeera News. Mr. Secretary, could you please comment on the reaction your words caused when you said that you had a "gut feeling" that terrorist activity is at a heightened state?

Chertoff: Quite frankly, it turned my stomach. By the way, I'll want to see your passport before you leave. Yes, the gentleman there.

Reporter: Mr. Chertoff, some of your critics say that you've used the Terror Threat Condition for political purposes in the past, particularly during the months leading to the 2004 elections. Those same critics have suggested that this blatant misuse of the Threat Condition inured the American public to changes in the threat posture. Is this new...um...gut gauge an attempt to make the Threat Condition relevant again?

Chertoff: It's not something I had given any thought to--

Reporter: (continuing) I mean, think of it. Instead of some dopey color-coded system--yellow orange red, who cares, right?--you can use, like, rumbles! No rumbles means no threat, and five rumbles means a terror attack is imminent, with varying degrees of threat in-between.

Another Reporter: (interrupting) Yes, but couldn't non-terror factors skew the gut gauge? For example, what if Secretary Chertoff goes to the Crawford ranch and has a Tex-Mex barbecue with extra Jalapeño peppers? Couldn't that potentially cause an inaccurate gut gauge reading?

A Different Reporter: Yeah, I see what you mean. And also, some rumbles aren't quite rumbles, but sort or like growls.

And Yet Another Reporter: Mines are more like gurgles.

Chertoff: Yes, yes. Well, thank you for your thoughts on this matter. Rest assured that the Homeland Security Department will take your suggestions very seriously. Now, that's all I have time for today. Thank-you.

I am listening to Bush live right now telling me that what I want to know is can we win? This is not what I or the majority of Americans are thinking. That includes the troops.

"Despite the recent report that Al Qaeda is back up to speed, we are winning the war on terror."

How do you figure that Johnny Torture? Or when you say "we" do you mean you and Al Qaeda?

AQ is stronger than ever and perfectly safe in Pakistan. Iraq terrorists where ther were none before. Terrorism is up world wide.

Tell us again about how we are winning the War on Terror Johnny.

Take note george.

prophecy

DSM-XXXVI will include a disease that is,not only intrinsically entwined with all other diseases known to man, it is rooted in their causation, feeds their symptoms, and increases in intensity exponentially as the original disease progresses. It's called stress. PTSD will no longer be a separate disease, it will become a degree of stress and will be given some credit for causing bi-polar disease when a victim suffering PTSD is left in an environment contraindicated by this degree of stress. There will also be a new disease listed that causes stress. It might be called Ismism.
Background: The human species is so genetically clustered that there is absoulutely no way to divide it into separate breeds. There is only one breed. A human with Ismism disorder is easily identified by their view of themselves as a different breed of human and their dedication to this idea as a way of life. There are many degrees of suffering attributed to this disease, but the polar opposites within it's symptoms are this.
They are evil and we are good. This disease is posthumously attributed to the premature deaths of more humans than all other diseases known to man.

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Despite the recent report that Al Qaeda is back up to speed, we are winning the war on terror.

Posted by: John D | July 12, 2007 10:28 AM
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Once again, John D, I challenge you to provide links to PROOF of your allegation. Or will you continue to be like Paulo and throw out anything that comes to mind, hoping something will actually be true?

Posted by: Jim LaCaeyse | July 12, 2007 9:50 AM

Funny, you should say that Jim that's exactly how al-Queda works so non believers in their society will remember what they are fighting for and why they must prevail in their holy battle.

Johnny Torture-Full of Lies D,
If Al-Qaeda is organizationally as strong today as they were pre-9/11 and is better off financially today than before 9/11, how in gods name are we winning? According to these FACTS, Al-Qaeda is NOT "on the run" and not "in their last throes". Come back to reality please, you are scaring us.

Loon,

After a year in which i've been reading here on and off, this is the first time i've ever seen you make an actual comment. (Instead of the usual copy-and-paste of a single AP paragraph)

Congratulations!

Too bad you had to spoil it with the closing remark, though.

As to the original article: "Fighting al Qaeda in Iraq means the U.S. will not have to fight them here" is a naive notion, to put it mildly.

Yes al Qaeda is in Iraq, as well as other places in the world (including the US, I'll bet). And it will never be "defeated" by any means of conventional warfare simply because al Queda isn't a nation or a government. Al Queda is more of a frame of mind than it is an organized movement.

Kill Bin Laden and his lieutenants and al Queda (or Islamist terrorism) will go on.

And sooner or later, sad to say, we will see another 9-11.

Interesting- When the Bush admin says anything that appears to be a warning of any threat- the "I hate Bush", knee jerk volvo drivers automatically discounts the message as fear mongering or tail wagging the dog. Other than the obvious answer that this could make the president look bad, Why are you guys buying into the Al Queda is stronger message now? Where is this enlightenment coming from?

NOW I AM WORRIED- left wing folks that actually acknowledge that there is a threat!!!

Until now, I was counting on you folks being right, my fear of terrorism was unfounded and that all of this death and hatred out there was a Fox News concoction?

Please tell me you are not politically motivated in your emotional flip flop here?

Actually, for once, you weirdo losers can provide proof to your claims that we are losing the war on terror. How about it, lunkheads?

I know you and your ilk don't like that, you folks love terrorists killing innocent people, but that is reality.
Posted by: John D | July 12, 2007 10:28 AM

Once again, NO ONE wants terrorists killing innocent people but only you want innocent poeple killed to keep Bush (and you) from admitting that he's the biggest screwup that ever lived. Reality bites, John.

Posted by: heartburn | July 12, 2007 1:28 PM

What are you talking about?!
The lefts objections to fear mongering is the Republic message of "Vote Republican or die!!" We have always said that invading Iraq has only increased the threat against America because we are creating more terrorists and letting the plotters of 9/11 regroup and have sleepovers in Pakistan which has made a truce with tribal leaders in the border region.

One little detail that makes all this ridiculous. In order to rebuild, there must be some sort of tear-down stage. When and how, did we break down alqueada? Not the Iraq Alqueada we created, the original alqueada. Remember the tall man with the long beard, demur personality and rifle fetish? The one marginalized as insignificant by our President. The one who's still leading the same men he was leading 6 years ago minus a few pilots. While every single American has suffered in the post 9/11 world, Osama and friends are still enjoying their 9/10/01 world. Osama has not called a single American since the illegal wiretapping started, so his phone is not being tapped. This is the really really sick part, george wants to listen to my private conversations to find a terrorist link, but he hides his ties to terrorism using the constitution as a shield. Is ron paul an independent?

And just to get back to the heart of these matters.

The American dream is being sold to the highest bidder, as we privatize our government and media.

Jethro-

I didn't realize we had a member of the NSA posting here- thanks for joining!

So help me with the whole get out of Iraq thing then-

Will the Dem strategy be ...Leave and be friends with all of these terrorists (your words) we have created?

And are you planning on recommending to the president that we immediately invade Pakistan to break up the sleepover? Not sure how much you can share in this forum - not being secure and all- but I would love to here the long term plan from you.

Terrorism will go on either way. Maybe not in as spectacular a fashion but none the less. The problem is it's a war of ideas and George Bush has none. p.s. don't get me wrong I'd love to see every scumbag terrorist get whats coming to him or her. I just think that this Whitehouse has failed us in the fight. Wrong tactics. Wrong strategy.

Show me 400 people killed with a shoestring in Iraq and I will agree it is an alqueada style attack.

Posted by: heartburn | July 12, 2007 1:28 PM

Where is this enlightenment coming from?

Certainly, not the gut I assure you.

JohnD

Thank you for mentioning my name. I would like to point out how you insulted me after misquoting me, for that I will not thank you. I must stop here due to wise old Pop Barry's little pearl of wisdom, if you don't like jerks, don't be one.

AR- I knew that.. pretty sure it is from further south than that.

So help me with the whole get out of Iraq thing then-

Will the Dem strategy be ...Leave and be friends with all of these terrorists (your words) we have created?
Posted by: heartburn | July 12, 2007 2:30 PM

Gee, heartburn
why don't you tell us why the object of your man-crush 's "strategy" is so successful? It's your baby.

Will the Dem strategy be ...Leave and be friends with all of these terrorists (your words) we have created?

And are you planning on recommending to the president that we immediately invade Pakistan to break up the sleepover? Not sure how much you can share in this forum - not being secure and all- but I would love to here the long term plan from you.

Posted by: heartburn | July 12, 2007 2:30 PM

Your first comment is just ignorant. Not once have I or anyone said we should be friends with terrorists. I think they are vile scum and should be eliminated. We can fight terror without occupying an entire country and policing a civil war.

Your President said himself that the policy of the United States was to no longer distinguish those that commit acts of terror and countries that harbor terrorists. He has not honored his committment to "move heaven and Earth" to protect America from future attacks and instead of criticizing him and putting pressure on him to get the 9/11 plotters and leaders you are lobbing ridiculous false quotations. I bet you were one of the loudest to criticize Sandy "Burglar" calling off a missile strike on an Al-Qaeda camp in Afghanistan to protect the sovereignty of Afghanistan. Yet I don't see a comment from you in the post about Don Rumsfeld taking Special Forces off of transport planes and calling off an operation to get Al-Qaeda leaders at a meeting which was supsected to include the number 2 man in the organization because he wanted to respect Pakistan's sovereignty. You and your party are a joke and without principles of any sort.

logicprisoner -

" Wrong tactics. Wrong strategy "

and your right tactic, right strategy is???

Lets try to imagine ( and I am holding my nose here) It is January 09, Hillary is prez and another 9/11 happens..

Maybe jethro and you can put together a focus group and come up with a plan that doesn't involve putting our soldiers at risk.

Barry, here is your quote:
"The people the media keep calling alqueada, over and over and over again, had nothing to do with the cole, 9/11 or any other alqueada style attack."

So exactly what are you trying to say then? That members of Al Qaeda today had nothing to do with those events, they joined after them? If so, that thinking is, well, just plain loony.
That's like saying that most of those fighting for Japan had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor or that most of those fighting for Germany had nothing to do with the Holocaust and invading European countries.
But, what is the use? The Loony Left can be reasoned with just as much as any member of Al Qaeda.

jethro and chimpymcflightsuit's navigator

Other than Chimpy's creepy fantasy /fetish thing -
Great answers- long on finger pointing and would of, should of, could ofs.. but essentially a dodge.

I don't blame you- I don't have the answers either. The difference is, that I don't pretend to have the answers like you two do.

Of course this seems to be the Dem way these days- Hillary took about an hour the other day to NOT communicate her plan.

You fella's are gettin' kind of predictable ..

JohnD, it would be the equivalent of attacking peru for pearl harbour. This time I would like to thank you for proving my point.

I'm sorry JohnD you are so right I will never again waste my time responding to you. Enjoy yourself.

AR- I knew that.. pretty sure it is from further south than that.

Posted by: heartburn | July 12, 2007 4:00 PM

Oh, I apologize...I doubt the further south location, that is exactly where our government gets its principles from.

Awww, I've insulted the poor, little Lefty Barry. Another success story, I would say.

no johnD you have bush courage, you sit biehind your little computer like the little sissy you are and insult people you would not face in the real world, just like bush. Except he is president coward while you are just simply cowardly.

The difference is, that I don't pretend to have the answers like you two do.
Posted by: heartburn | July 12, 2007 4:55 PM

Now you're pretending that you aren't a complete putz.

Hey heartburn

Why do you support a system that creates more terrorists?

I think you should stop accusing others of loving terrorists.

As for "Us Fellas" getting predictable, all you have ever done is say "If you don't like it, you must love terrorists. If you don't agree with me, you must love terrorists. If you don't break your eggs on the little end, you must love terrorists."

Change the record. It's not a defense, it's a tantrum.

Actually, for once, you weirdo losers can provide proof to your claims that we are losing the war on terror. How about it, lunkheads?

Posted by: John D | July 12, 2007 1:45 PM

In a report by the US Department of State to the US congress has revealed that terrorism has increased over 25% year on year and fatalities have increased by forty per cent.

The figures put into perspective the figures and deaths that while often inder reproted in media there i a major conflict on at World War Level that many in media often chose to ignore. Some 74,543 civilians were targeted.

[]”… In the annual report to Congress includes analysis from the National Counterterrorism Center, a U.S. intelligence clearinghouse, which found only a slight increase in the overall number of civilians killed, injured or kidnapped by terrorists in 2006. But the attacks were more frequent and deadlier, with a 25 percent jump in the number of terrorist attacks and a 40 percent increase in civilian fatalities from the previous year.

In 2006, NCTC reported, there were a total of 14,338 terrorist attacks around the world. These attacks targeted 74,543 civilians and resulted in 20,498 deaths. …”[]

Iraq: Center of global terrorism action

The report clearly shows that the center of the attacks is Iraq: ” Violence in Iraq accounted for 45 percent of the overall attacks counted by NCTC and 65 percent of worldwide terrorism deaths. Terrorist incidents in Iraq nearly doubled from 3,468 in 2005 to 6,630 in 2006. “

It went on further to say : “Although kidnappings declined by 50 percent internationally, Iraq experienced a 300 percent increase, according to NCTC.” an indication as shown by experience here in the Philippines that KFR and terrorism are linked. Kidnapping for Ransom is often used by terror groups and in some cases insurgents as means to both ensure community ‘cooperation’ and also a means to raise revenue

Anonymous-

You couldn't be more inaccurate. I had never accused anyone of loving terrorists- if you are referring to my sarcasm
"Will the Dem strategy be ...Leave and be friends with all of these terrorists (your words) we have created?" It was meant to highlight the risk of just leaving Iraq.

All I hear from the left is wrong strategy, wrong timing, wrong war, wrong (fill in the blank). I have yet to hear anything coherent that resembles an alternate solution.

And even more interesting is that when the more prolific posters here are challenged on that point you can't get an adult or even a reasonably humorous response. You can insult me- just make it interesting or funny.

Calling someone a jerk off is a tantrum. Asking for a reasonable dialogue is not.

I have yet to hear anything coherent that resembles an alternate solution.

Posted by: heartburn | July 13, 2007 10:16 AM

How many Democratic Congressmen/women and Senators have to put forth their plans before you recognize them as an alternative plan? Just because you say their is not plan doesn't erase the fact that Biden, Obama,Murtha etc have put their alternatives on the table. To name a few off the top of my head.

jethro

Saying we need to get out, redeploy, etc.. is not a plan. It is a fake out, meant to appease the Dem base.

I say this because if their was such a clear case to just stop the war- congress has every right to defund it - they have not done this because they know what will happen to them in '08 if they do and the country spirals into more chaos.

Both sides of the aisle are at their worst right now- Both sides are positioning themselves politically based on what they think is going to happen in Iraq. Few in our government has any courage of their own convictions. Few really care about Iraq or our troops.

heartburn-

It sounds like you wouldn't recoganize anything as a plan other than the Bush Administration "Stay the Course" mantra.

Ther is a plan out there. The Iraq Study Group developed a multifaceted plan to try and slavage the situation in Iraq to the greatest degree possible. It has bi-partisan support, yet the administration and it's blind supporters refuse to even consider it.

"Stay the Course" isn't a plan, heartburn. "Surge" isn't a plan.

I don't know if any of you know the source of johnD's postings, but I found it today, in a crappy little book store in a crappy little mall. It was put out before the last election. The cover of the book looks rather inviting, but the inside reveals a "...for complete idiot's book. It has many of JohnD's original thoughts, as well as style of arguing. This is where the "what about clinton" line comes from and the rest of most of the trash you hear from the always insightful cast of characters that post senseless, outdated drivel here regularly. I may go back and by it just to chapter and verse them out of here. It is a list of arguments based on everything but logic and the corresponding situations from which to spew this long-winded rhetoric.
the author's name is Smith, and his favorite person is "Ann Coulter" It is an amusing read.

Don't buy it though, just do what I did and read it there, you will see all you need to see.

I forgot to trash the headline.

'It's al Qaeda,' White House says, different but still a threat.

I think, "al Queda, the same threat, cubed" would be more accurate.

Unless less of course Alqueada has a history of progressivley less nasty strikes.

Heartburn,

Ok, now we are getting somewhere. How can anyone predict what our reason for being in Iraq will be tomorrow? I can chart you a way out of the desert, if you can stop the desert sands from shifting under my feet long enough to take a stand. Till then you can find your own way.
If our objective is to get rid of wmd's I got ya covered, if we went there for Saddam, I'm still with ya. If we went there to get Alqueada, sorry, not there, can't help you with that one. If you want me to get you out of the desert, why won't you give me reliable, intelligent, solid, intel, on our current position relative to any particular time.

Keep trying to blame this on me and everyone else and it will never end.