Barack Obama is right on with the remark about the Bill and Hillary campaign. Change is just that (change). We don't need another step backward to the 90's, which is what we'll get. Last time they ran we got two for the price of one, so they said. This time we get two for the price of 4 more years of distrust, defensiveness, obfuscation, and Republican hackles keeping the country (fornicated) up. As for Bush and his calls for more patience, courage, and sacrifice, most Americans don't have any more patience.

"As far as Obama goes, I like him and will probably vote for him"

Posted by Leo T Jan 26, 2007 11:59:27 AM

I couldn't have said it better myself, Leo.

****WOW****

Al Gore's son was arrested today for a cache of illegal drugs found in his Toyota Prius.
Al's polling numbers just went up 8%...

Paulo

The height of arrogance.

a statement by President Bush made today in West Virginia that the nation needs to show "more patience, more courage and more sacrifice" when it comes to the war in Iraq

Sacrifice your own George.
What an insulting, revolting, cavalier bunch of elitist trailer trash! Bush is a short timer now. Watch this guy. He'll pull every rabbit out of the hat that he's got. The Bushies can do a LOT of damage in a year and a half.

And Bush doesn't know the meaning of courage and sacrifice.

Can anyone explain what exactly is the "change" Maharishi Obama is promising? What are his proposals, and how are they "new" (let alone good)?

And please, no psychobabble abut how he brings "hope" or is a "uniter". And no attacks on other candidates.

Bruce,

Here's the link you asked for regarding Obama's specific proposals.

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/

Bruce,
Can you explain what exacly "change" YOUR candidate is promising? What are his/her proposals, and how are they "new" (let alone good)?

PS Anything to avoid talking about more dead American soldiers right Paulo? Keep throwing out your distractions. They are not working on us humans.

"Jethro", I ask for positive comments on Obama's programs and you peddle more attacks on "my" candidate. For the record, I have no candidate yet. And don't your wild attacks fly in the face of what Obama is claiming to represent?

"Doug", I've read this Obama website. Obama's "new" domestic proposals range from the federal government spending more money, to the federal government spending more money. Nothing "new", let alone desirable, here.

Everything in quotes from Obama's campaign Web site:

"Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has been a leader in fighting for open and honest government. As a U.S. Senator, he has spearheaded the effort to clean up Washington in the wake of the Jack Abramoff scandal. In a politically charged election year, Obama acknowledged that corruption was a problem that plagued both political parties..."

EXCEPT in Chicago and Cook County, apparently, where he has supported just more of the same.

Bruce:
The "change" you are asking about is Obama's willingness to work across party lines and get SOMETHING done.

Immigration Reform is only the most recent example of Bush's failure to build the mutual trust and respect that is required for Washington to solve problems. His defeat on Immigration is the price paid for years of arrogant leadership.

Obama has promised to LISTEN to opposing viewpoints and work for compromise. You might call that psychobabble, but I call it leadership.

When will you jump on the badnwagon? Anyone's bandwagon? All you do is attack the media and Obama and offer no alternatives for us to consider.

PS So now we can't talk about Iraq because you think that would be a "wild attack"? Strange animal, a fascist is.

Insert clever name, er John E., wow, that is something to go back to January to pick out a post from Leo T. Do you save stuff on everyone who posts here? Do you snoop into everyone's private life too?

As far as what Barack offers that is "new," yes, I haven't heard one new thing from him. I've heard higher taxes. I've heard universal health care. I've heard get out of Iraq. I've heard we all must work together.

Nothing new there.

"Bruce,"

You have sold your soul to the RNC store.

You don't care about American military personnel dieing overseas, you don't care about national security, you don't care about Americans without health care, you don't care about the quality of American jobs.

All you care about is winning elections at any cost.

You learned nothing from the '06 election cycle. You bought your own propaganda that '00 & '04 were Dubya mandates, facts be damned.

The American people have seen behind the curtain (see approval rating polls for right/wrong dirction, Dubya/Darth, Iraq, immigration, DOJ, etc.) and your RpartyR is going to get its ass kicked next year.

Paulo:

Al Gore's son bought all of his coke from George W. Bush, who had more than enough left in his personal stockpile to share with anybody willing to buy it.

Phil, what makes you believe Obama will work across party lines as a President, when he has never done so as a Senator? Maybe that is the "change" you are talking about?

OK, I'll get this out of the way first:
Iraq was an obscenity, a huge blunder, a blight upon our national reputation and a grotesque waste of blood and treasure. We should all weep and worry about this war and what it will lead to in the future.

So now you can't dissemble about my not caring about our dying troops...

SO...

Tell me, somebody... anybody... without falling back on the same silly Hallmark Greeting Card language ("hope", "youthful", "uniter" and blah, blah, blah)...

What specifically does Obama have to offer that's different?

PS: Somebody else is using my clever postmname and I don't know what point s/he is trying to make... other than s/he is an idiot.

Phil says "Obama has promised to LISTEN to opposing viewpoints and work for compromise."

"Phil", is that the same Sen. Obama who voted FOR cutting off debate on the recent immigration bill? Or was it another senator named Obama?

By his acts you will know him...

Bruce,
For the love of god, there was plenty of debate about the immigration plan in Congress, in public, etc. It was defeated. Why are you crying?

How about a touch of common sense here, folks?

Most of the front runners among the Democrats are now serving in Congress. Yet, they keep telling us what they will get done only when they make it to the White House. But they don’t need to wait until one of them becomes President. If whatever they are proposing is valuable, it is valuable now, instead of 18 months from now. Congress has a Democratic Party majority now.

I don’t know about you, but “Just look at what I’m doing now” is a much more persuasive campaign message than “Look at what I promise to accomplish later” Un-kept promises are a stock in trade for most politicians. If you want to find out whose word is as good as their actions, look at what they are doing now.

If you can’t see any movement yet, then maybe they are all talk. My wise old Uncle Les always told me, “Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.” This is common sense now in a day and age in which few politician can be trusted.

Bruce, Herbie, et al:
Do you honestly believe that Washington is currently effective? Doesn't the President, as the leader of our democracy, need to bear some responsibiulity for the mess?

I'm not suggesting Obama is the answer to every problem, but he's the only candidate who seems to understand the way we're currently running isn't working. And yes, I've seen enough from him to think he means it.

So you can stick your head in the sand and tell me everything is just dandy or you can point me to another candidate who is willing to try some new tactics.

Any change will be welcome. Congress is pointless with Bush acting like a spoiled rotten 5 year old and threatening to veto everything they pass. Barack is a force the Republicans are afraid to deal with. Where's your candidate, 'pubs? Fredneck? Mafiani? Romney? Ha Ha!

This may be a bit off subject but What the hell does Bill Clinton have to say about ANYONE using the Presidential Power to Pardon??? If I were him I would have stayed away from that subject completely! He's the poster child for abuse in this regard and I am a dyed in the wool Bush Hater but I think the Clintons F'd up on this one.

Phil, you mentioned my name, but your post is not responsive to anything I said. You posted earlier that Obama could work across party lines, and I asked you for evidence of that while he has been a Senator. You respond with a shot a Bush, and a comment that the current situation in Washington is not working.

If you are talking about bi-partisan cooperation, I would totally agree with you. But that brings me back to my original question to you - what makes you think that Obama is the guy to bridge the gap? I have never seen him even remotely reach out to Reps while he has been a Senator. Do you expect this to suddenly change? Why? A guy's record speaks a lot louder than his rhetoric and campaign slogans. Let's see him take some bi-partisan initiative, and tackle a major issue while he is a Senator. Then he would have some action to back up his words, and your faith in him would have a foundation.