Karl Rove leaving the White House

Karl Rove is and was a great leader. Karl Rove will be missed.

The Democratic swamp will be drained on it's own without the worthly assistance of Karl Rove.

I wish Karl Rove well and offer a thank you for his loyal patriotic service.

Mark, shouldn't that be Wilson claimed Bush administration manipulated the intelligence or allegedly manipulated the intelligence? Also, where in this report do you tell us that much of what Wilson wrote in that report has been debunked?

You also don't say that Richard Armitage was who Novak eventually cited as his source in the so-called Plame outing.

One other criticism. Isn't it pretty common that many long-time administation people tend to leave in the last year of a presidency? Buush has a little over a year left and many of those you cite had been there since 2000/01. So, it's not unusual for these folks to be leaving, now isn't it?

Anyway, I'm sure Rove will around in many respects in the next year or so, mainly to help out in the 2008 elections so the Loser Lefties get their tushies handed to them again.

LOL @ Ken.

Since when is race-baiting, misinformation, exposing CIA agents, refusal to testify, and outright lies patriotic??

Oh wait.

Since Dubya took office. That's when.

What will the Boy Idiot do without his brain?
Let the subpeonas fly! Without Rove telling everyone what to do, this White House may finally face the treason charges they all should be facing.
Of course, the prince of darkness is still the veep...
I guess Rove is off to ruin more lives.

Contra Ken Korff, Karl Rove will NOT be missed, nor is he a patriot. He was the Goebbels of this fascistic administration, espousing the Fuehrer principle at every turn, demanding loyalty to leader and party rather than demonstrating true love of country. Today, America is a corporatist dictatorship rather than a democratic republic, and much of the blame, along with the blood of countless innocents, can be laid at Karl Rove's feet.

Ken Korff,

You mean just like the '06 election?

You give Karl way too much credit. Remember, Gore won the popular vote but lost the Supreme Court election in 2000.

The American public, by a wide margin, now see far-right wing Republicans for the fear mongers they are. The rest of the "R" butt-kicking will happen next year.

good riddance. does W become more vulnerable to impeachment proceedings with out Karl whispering sweet nothings into his ear?

Karl Rove is a destructive force in the country and in the world. His sense of fair play and justice is as warped as any political figure in the last hundred years. I wish him repose so that he can contemplate the darkness he put on this country.

And another thing - what a dork!

What ? Rove is going to
"Cut and Run?"
It looks like by 2008 Texas will be over-run with "Two Faced Chicken Hawks."

Rove never understood the difference between politics and government. His efforts to institutionalize privatization of Social Security, eliminate the inheritance tax for wealthy dynasties, minimize capital-gains taxes were the epitome of government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. That his "genius" was to exploit the sentiments and prejudices of working class people in support of ends that were wholly detrimental to them is a wonderful legacy. See you in court, Karl.

"Leaving to spend more time with his family." That's boilerplate cover for "I've become a political liability and I'm being forced to resign." The interesting question is what is about to blow up? Gonzales comes next. Goodbye Mr. 51%. None of the 49% who you vilified to win elections are sorry to see you go.

Rove served Bush and The GOP before he served the interests of this nation. The damage this person is responsible for will take generations to undo, and will continue to cost Amercian lives for just as long.

Hey, Karl....take Pinocchio with you. Who else is gonna pull his strings?

It is incredible that we have Americans who are heaping praise on this modern day Nazi ! He has assisted in the destruction of our constitution and the illegal assimilation of power to the executive branch of government. He, along with our President and Vice President should be arrested, charged with treason and high crimes, and brought to trial !

To his departure I must say GOOD RIDANCE !

I have one question.....

Where do Liberal Democrats store all of that Hate?

Ken Korff-you made my day
you are living a dream..
Read up man and educate yourself what Rove has done to this country...I feel sorry for you man

We loony lefties should not be overjoyed by Karl's move. He just going to another lair. Some right wing "think tank" will give him a cushy spot and he will continue to give advice in private and "spin" in public.
I suggest we all make Karl Rove dolls and start sticking pins in them.

So, KKKarl Rove is moving out of the Whitehouse. That doesn't mean bush won't still be double-checking Satancheney's orders with KKKarl. He's just lowering his profile, not leaving.

Truly villanous characters don't stop their villany, they just keep going further underground. Without the publicity, they can be even more evil and blame others more easily.

KKKarl may be moving to Texas, but his knife is still in our collective backs. Now he'll be able to twist it by pulling even longer puppet strings.

Normal people beware: the Wingnuts are going to go crazy over this. Witness Ken's idiotic spew above. KKKarl a great leader?? Jawohl! Thank you sir, may I have another!?

Mark:

Try Photoshop. It works wonders.

The vitriol from Democrats speaks volumes about them.
Anyone who serves his country in these times of hatred is to be congratulated. God bless Carl Rove and his Family.

It will take at least a decade to undo the damage from "Bush's Brain". The Rove mantra was, and always will be, Party (and special interest) before Country. What a despicable man.

Rove screwed up this country so bad with his Machiavellian methods, trying to establish a permanent Republican majority by any means necessary, that the results will be the exact opposite.

Patrick,

If you want to see/hear hate listen to O'Reilly, Limbaugh and last but certainly not least - Ann Coulter.

Now that's hate!

I agree with snalg. Just because he's leaving the White House, doesn't mean he won't be advising from a distance.

See you in court, Karl!

His brain??? Come on...he is Bush's downfall.

Now that he's leaving; I wonder what other skeletons are out there??

Also, I hope now he can be exposed as the crook he is and lock him up....

Karl Rove is a good Republican, an architect of the Bush Presidency and a great American.
Congratulations Karl on a job well done!
Leftist Dems are full of hate for anything Bush-- it comes from Daily Kos,MoveOn.org,People for the American Way and other Clinton war room sites.
But,this envious venom aside, Karl Rove did a great job and is not a rascist,sexist or homophobe as all conservatives are called.
Karl Good Luck and May God Bless! Jerry White, Springfield, IL

I am amazed at the hate exhibited in many of the comments. Isn't it possible to disagree without being disagreeable? Whether one agrees with the President, or disagrees with him, and/or his policies, he is still our president. If one sows hate they will reap hate, something that those exhibiting such animosity should know. Wait a minute, that means one has to think, so I guess any realization of what sowing hate will accomplish is out of the question.

Rove knows his shelf life is up. He's smart enough to get out while he can. The goal is to distance himself from the Administration while congress continues to ask questions into every aspect of its operation.
He's become a liability heading into the next election & he made this decision. Move to Texas, perhaps multiply his salary by ten & continue to strategize from afar.

Karl Rove is apiece of S#@t. He left a stain on this nation.

Oh please. Rove will still be the man behind the curtain. He'll still have access to Bush and even the White House. Hell, he'll probably still have his office. Just that We the People won't know about it.

John D.,

"...so the Loser Lefties get their tushies handed to them again."

Like in the '06 election?

Now that Karl and Rummy are gone maybe Shrub will realize that it's his time to resign as well. One can only hope.

Ken, Rove is definitely not a patriot. In fact most of the country sees him for the traitor he is. His politics of division and "win at all costs" has contributed more to the fierce level of animosity than any one person has done in recent times. Considering the damage he has done he should be tried for treason. We must come together as a country and work on resolving our common problems. Rove's approach was to spread fear, blame others and divide groups of people in order to create a more solid core group of Bush voters. The exact opposite of what is needed in this country.

He will not be missed. I, as a person who truly loves this country, can only hope that a more civic minded, thoughtful and caring person replaces him and pushes Bush in the direction of uniting this country not dividing it further.

" Karl Rove did a great job and is not a rascist,sexist or homophobe as all conservatives are called."

--if his job was to win at any cost, sowing discord, discontent, and hate, then yes, he did an outstanding job.

--And no, he was most likely not a racist, sexist, or homophobe; he is however, almost certainly a plutocrat or kleptocrat, I'm still deciding which.

The bottom line is, although he will most likely end up with a cushy job somewhere (and must be watched at all times), I'd rather have him in a think tank than in the White House.

2 Horsemen down, 2 to go.

OMYGOD! How will we be safe?

Without Rove around, who will decide when to issue another politically motivated Terrorism Red Alert?

Is this a place for comments, or is this a place for Hate-Filled Democrats? How do these Democrat Hate Mongers get up and face the day?

Karl Rove knew how to manipulate small minded people to vote in the worst Prez in history twice,well at least once.

Karl is a coward,like most of whom he served with.

Good riddance.

It seems that Rove is leaving to be with his family, the Republican family, that is. He is probably gearing up to run the 2008 Republican election as he did for Bush. Beware!!!!

And we sink deeper into the third world S...hole the dems have planned for us!!

Did anyone notice that he gave the tired old excuse that "he wants to spend more time with his family?"
I fear I'm going to lose my breakfast everytime I think about someone having a child with HIM.

Now we know what teh Democratic compromise of the wiretapping bill was. They gave Bush wiretapping in exchange for Rove. Same thing happened with Rumsfeld... took impeachment off the table in exchange for Rummy's head. Oh the deals they make in teh Beltway. I still think the Dems shoudl go after Rove for Plamegate and his refusal to testify before congress on election fraud.

Lets see Election Fraud, Civil Rights Violations, Illegal Wiretapping, Lying to a grand jury, Leaking Top Secret Classified information, Selling our country to China .... is this what teh "Republicans" think is patriotic?

Turd blosson resigns..... off to screw the American people in other ways, shapes or forms.... he isn't going anywhere as long as there are elections to fix and right-wingers to pacify.

I knew the Looniest of the Loony would be going ga-ga over this Rove item.

Doug Zook, a couple of clarifications for you and your ilk:
1. Bush won the electoral college in 2000. You see he won Florida's popular vote. Even MOST of the recounts by the media went Bush's way. The only recount Gore won was the one with the loosest chad interpretation.

And if you want to talk hate (and please provide me examples of hate from Limbaugh and particularly O'Reilly), but real hate comes out of the mouths of Stuart Smalley, Rosie, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Randi Rhodes, and just about loser lefty commenting here.

Karl Rove,

Good Riddance!

Anyone that can get the loony lefties all riled up is ok with me.

I love the race baiting comment from Tony. Give one example Tony. Bush/Rove put more minorities in position of power than any previous Democratic administration in history. Kudos for them for doing it. Democrats are the race baiters. I used to be a Democrat, I used to be involved in strategy. Race baiting is one of their most effective and loved strategies.

Rumor has it Turd Blossom (Bush's brain) will be working behind the scenes and also helping out the Giuliani campaign. Most folks know this Mr. Giuliani is a sleezy fraud with zero credibility. Mr. Sept. 11th believes he's entitled to be President because he ventured down to ground zero after the WTC attacks.
As for Rove, he's a foul smelling coward. He should be indicated, prosecuted and imprisoned.

We all have to tip our hat to Karl Rove.

Any man who can engineer the election of the Current Occupant of the White House not once, but twice, is a genius.

But he shouldn't be allowed to bail out now. He should be forced to go down with the ship.

Rove may be leaving the West Wing, but his foul stench will endure indefinitely. Worse, he'll be able to spew his gospel of vitriol freely now. Look for his porcine face everywhere on the speaker circuit, his bio, and the media. My only hope is the door may be open a crack wider for subpoenas and indictments now that he's allegedly out of the White House.

John D.,

The Supreme Court elected Bush 5-4. The recount was never completed.

I'm sorry, what were you saying about Ann Coulter?

This is already hilarious! Florida Jim with his "God bless KKKarl..." is just a little too precious Charles Dicken's isn't it? "God bless us every one!" Oh, if only Tiny Tim was here, wouldn't it be all warm and fuzzy?

Jerry White, always a laugh-riot, says KKKarl is not / has not been a homphobe?! Jerry, pull off your pointed headpiece long enough to look around at more than just your pretty little buring things: KKKarl has stirred-up / dreamed-up / intentionally created anti-gay bias actions in EVERY CAMPAIGN ON WHICH HE'S WORKED going all the way back to the earlies days in Texas and even college! For example: it's a proven fact that he hired republican anti-gay protestors to show up carying PRO-Gay signs at a Gore funtion attended mostly by African Americans, who have a strong anti-gay bias. His goal, get the African Americans to vote against Gore by having fakes pretend to be supporting Gore. That one was on all the national news channels. Do you get news in Springfield? Setting one group against another is how he works now and has always worked. Just because the devil is very effective at being evil doesn't make it good.

Ken Sherman: before you hit the "post" button again, double check to see if the name calling you're doing isn't reflecting right back out of the mirror at you. DUH!!!

Remember normal people: the Wingnuts are going to be lionizing their KKK vicious beast for weeks. Let's all just sit back and have a good laugh at them. Then, when we've collected all their assorted "stupididiums" (word of the day) we can print a book ripping all into the shreaded circle of illogical crap that it will be. Everyone, start coying & pasting. This is going to be fun!

Patrick,

There is a reason why you see so much hate and disgust on these blogs. The chief architect of this venom just resigned. Let's come together as Americans people, and fix our very damaged world reputation. Then make some tough decisions on energy policy, environment, economy and yes even Social Security/Medicare. We all live on a very small space ship called Earth!!!

I think Karl left now so that Bush would have enough time left to present him with his Presidential Medal of Freedom.

He will join the distinguished ranks of former CIA director George Tenet (who helped get us into the war)

Retired Army Gen. Tommy Franks (who wasn't prepared for the war)

Former Iraq administrator L. Paul Bremer (who lost the Peace)

Well done King George

Stu,

If all the black, Republican members of Congress held a meeting, how big a room would you need?

"The Decider" just made my day, good bye to Karl and the others who should follow him soon. He did nothing but harm to the middle class in this country. 1 down many to follow?z

Ted P: Who will we have to tell when it's time for another Terror Red Alert? Chertoff's Gut, of course. Satancheney really did most of them anyway and we know it's not going anywhere.

John D.: You DO realize Stuart Smalley is fictional, Right? Before you accuse others of hate noises, shall I send you back about the last 1,000 posts of yours to re-read? Glass houses, John, glass houses!

Ken Korff made me throw up in my mouth a little.

It's really too bad that Rove has to step down by choice and not because he was caught with an underage transexual hooker or something equally scandalous. I certainly will NOT miss that slippery worm.

Thanks, Karl. Without you, we would have had one of those doofuses, Gore or Kerry in the WH. Now, Rove is pulling for
Hillarky so the GOP can make it a
Trifecta. And hopefully, Karl, you can came back to chart the course...tho the Demos make it easy with their choice of nominees.

Patrick, John D and all the rest of you proclaiming that liberals are spewing hatred in this blog - get a grip! No one is spewing hatred here - we are excited that a man with no morals or scrupples is leaving the inner sanctum of the President. This isn't hatred - its a political reaction.

As for examples of hatred from your crowd - PLEASE, read a newspaper, read the blogs from your "christian" organizations, watch the news. It is your ilk who stand behind the first amendment when you denegrate others, not liberals - and of course this is something highly supported by Rove.

Maybe CBS news will hire Karl Rove to replace declining Katie. What an audience draw he would be. All the hate-mongers would tune in just to raise their blood pressures.

Good riddance to Karl and his double chin.

What really interests me about the resignation of Rove is the public response. Anything that someone with this concentration of hatred and distain for the citizenry and constitution of the United States does should be highly suspect to us. But what is amazing is the minority voices of people who actually praise what he has done. How can we possibly hope to free ourselves from the rule of these evil people when their ability to brainwash is so absolute?
I ask those of you who are praising this man now, do you truly think the other 80% of the country is just arbitrarily hateful of this man? Perhaps there is a reason that he is so distrusted. Be careful of hatred and fear, the two things Rove espoused at every turn, they are working toward corrupting your thoughts and destroying our country.

Ummmm...can Bush resign with him?

The Dems will be going after him hard now!

That's right...hold him in contempt of congress if he refuses to testify...

Good bye Mr. Roves.

This is wonderful news. (Those threats of testifying under oath may have had impact.)
Mr Rove should now travel to Iraq to serve in the war he helped create. Beyond loyalty, the man offers nothing apart from hate mongering, spreading fear and ruining lives. Good riddance.

This talk about Rove as "genius" mystifies me. He's the '78 Red Sox, '69 Colts, every major choke you can think of pales to this. After 9/11 Bush had a 91% approval rating and the country was willing to do whatever was needed -- would follow his lead in the spirit of fighting a common enemy. Terrorists don't care about right vs. left in this country. Rove could have chosen to take that spirit of unity and govern rationally from the middle and use our national unity as a weapon against terrorism. Instead, he used terrorism as a political weapon against all but the most extreme right-wing "base" -- remember campaign speeches about how the left preferred labor to fighting terror? Remember anti-gay politics at the time our military and intelligence needed (and still needs) the contributions from all Americans? This says nothing of the politics of fear-mongering and questioning the patriotism of persons who disagreed with Rove's policies. At that crucial moment in our history, he chose political division for partisan gain over fighting the strongest fight we could against the people who harmed us. Those decisions ultimately led his boy to go from 91% approval to 28% -- the greatest fall off in our history. George Bush has lost more support than any other president in history -- that's astounding when you think of it -- yet his "brain" is still considered a genius and feared by the left. I don't understand the cult of Rove. He's no great political genius and he's certainly no patriot. The irony is, that if he had advised Bush to be less divisive, the republican majority he had achieved could have been lasting. He blew it. It's ashame so many on the right are so ill-informed, as exemplfied by their comments above, and its also ashame so many on the left throw overheated rhetoric around, so the right-wing can use that to deflect the strong factual arguments that Rove was dangerous and a tremendous failure.

Rove is a brilliant man who deserves a lot of credit for the successes of this administration despite the childish behavior and incompetence of the democrats in congress. He may be leaving the rat race in Washington but I'm sure his influence will continue to be felt when needed. So the liberals have lost one more person to rant about but will likely stay up nights knowing that he is still lurking behind the scenes. Score one more for Karl!

Unless Rove is leaving the White House in handcuffs doing "the perp walk", justice has not been served.

Rove is a poster boy for everything wrong with American national politics.

Liar, manipulator, smiling killer of innocents abroad.

If we trry to read any meaning into this act, I think it only confirms the blessed loss of power and influence by the White House.

A shark like Rove can't breathe where real influence is gone. It's just like swimming in water where the oxygen is depleted.

Favorite quotes form his interview...

“Democrats took Congress, and he didn't want to depart on that sour note. “ – Like Rumsfeld did? Or did “Rummy" just beat him to the door?

“He then thought he'd leave after the State of the Union, but the Iraq and immigration fights beckoned.” – yeah, we’ve got both of those issues resolved… time to go.

“I've got to do this for the sake of my family" – this is very different from I want to spend time with my family. Maybe they are tired of hearing about him too.

The difference between Karl Rove and Lee Atwater?
Don't expect Rove to ask for forgiveness on his deathbed.

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but real hate comes out of the mouths of Stuart Smalley, Rosie, Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Randi Rhodes, and just about loser lefty commenting here.

Posted by: John D | August 13, 2007 9:51 AM
[/quote]

Please list the times and call letters of the stations on radio and television that host the daily shows of the people that you've listed. I want to join the millions that listen to the "hate coming out of the mouths" of these people.

And if you want examples of the hate coming out of the mouths of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc., just go to http://www.mediamatters.com to see plenty of examples.

About 8 years too late, but better late than never.

Karl Rove may be a sound political strategist, but he was a horrendous keeper of our country's values. Keeping power for himself and his group was more important than the country.

Who has played a greater role in deaths of Americans? Al Qaeda or Rove? Who has played a greater role in seeing the erosion of freedom of Americans - Bin Laden or Rove? Who caused this administration to abandon the sick and , the victims of natural disasters, and has failed to address violence in our own cities- Hussein or Rove?

Rove has been part of an administration that has systematically refused to clean up our own house. People of strength and courage look inward. The weak seek to blame others. This administration is filled with wanna-be leaders who, because they had no guts or courage of their own, have instead used the power and prestige of our country.

Hey, now that Rumsfeild and Rove are not serviing in leadership positions, maybe they can serve on the front lines over in Iraq. Our country needs the manpower and they are always reminding us of how patriotic they are and how important this cause is to our country. Let them back up all their tough talk.

My mother-in-law told me last night that she will be voting for the Republican candidate in next year's election.

I asked her why, somewhat baffled, as her husband (now retired) was a 40-year Union member, their family's wellbeing depended every winter on Unemployment in order to get by (when his work dried up in the down season), and now they rely entirely on social security and medicare for their existence. She would seem to me to be a perfect candidate for an accross-the board Democratic voter, seeing as the Republicans want to undo just about every institution that her entire livelihood has been based on.

She said she's voting Republican because Hillary's mean and someone at the Mall told her that Obama "plans to do something bad" (she couldn't remember exactly what).

Oh Karl Rove, you may be leaving today, but your legacy will live on!

Much like Benedict Arnold's.

Another question for the Liberal Democrat Hate Mongers: How can you people be so happy when you have all of that hate inside of you?

Rove is a TRAITOR. He should be tried for TREASON against the US government for choosing to release the identity of a member of our CIA to the media.

The CIA is a front-line agency in the war against terrorists that Rove's boss, George W. declared following the events of 9/11/2001.

Rove outed Valorie Plame's CIA employment as a mean political maneuver against her husband.

TRAITOR!

If you think that he won't have his hands in the going on's in the White House then you don't know Rove.

I only wish he would slither back into the swamp from which he came.

"And if you want to talk hate (and please provide me examples of hate from Limbaugh and particularly O'Reilly),"

Here you go Johnny Torture-

"O'REILLY: Hey, you know, if you want to ban military recruiting, fine, but I'm not going to give you another nickel of federal money. You know, if I'm the president of the United States, I walk right into Union Square, I set up my little presidential podium, and I say, "Listen, citizens of San Francisco, if you vote against military recruiting, you're not going to get another nickel in federal funds. Fine. You want to be your own country? Go right ahead."

And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead." Bill O'Reilly November 8, 2005.

Or was he asking Al Qaeda to blow up San Franciso in a loving, caring way?

Florida Jim-

The vitriol of Democrats? Vitriol? Good word Jim…it tends to give the user an easygoing sense of moral superiority. And might not the administration’s overwhelming posture of moral superiority (epitomized by people like Rove and wrapped with the banner of patriotism) be that which is generating this vitriol? Let me suggest a couple of other words that you might substitute for vitriol. How about resentment, frustration or indignation…at an administration that has disregarded the opinions and will of the people it serves…or a dismissal of the intelligence of the people? Further, this vitriol is not exclusively a Democratic issue…when you consider the dismal approval ratings of the President and his lieutenants, it is clear that this vitriol comes from a very wide swath of the American people.

Karl Rove, TRAITOR

Definition of a traitor:treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor.

Charge Rove with TREASON.

Well, I'll miss Karl. I appreciate what he's done, and am amazed at the hatred and venom spewed by some of the commentators here.

Those comments are a sad reflection of why so many of us are really turned off by the political conversation in America today... to the haters (on either side, but especially you "moveon.org" types - do you really think that your insulting, degrading, ultra-superior tone wins a hearing in the vast number of us who try to view the landscape with some sense of objectivity?

well, I am sure the Senate will have a nice retirement gift waiting of a subpoena, free and clear of that pesky executive immunity.

"Rove is a brilliant man who deserves a lot of credit for the successes of this administration"

Oh really Bart? Last I checked this administration is riddled with nothing but failures. What exactly is there to be proud of?

Dan G, well said.

Although Rover's place in history is assured, getting there as one of the most loathed Americans of all time is probably not a great accomplishment. After all, everyone knows Tim McVeigh and John Wayne Gacy too.

Florida Jim-

The vitriol of Democrats? Vitriol? Good word Jim…it tends to give the user an easygoing sense of moral superiority. And might not the administration’s overwhelming posture of moral superiority (epitomized by people like Rove and wrapped with the banner of patriotism) be that which is generating this vitriol? Let me suggest a couple of other words that you might substitute for vitriol. How about resentment, frustration or indignation…at an administration that has disregarded the opinions and will of the people it serves…or a dismissal of the intelligence of the people? Further, this vitriol is not exclusively a Democratic issue…when you consider the dismal approval ratings of the President and his lieutenants, it is clear that this vitriol comes from a very wide swath of the American people.

"Another question for the Liberal Democrat Hate Mongers: How can you people be so happy when you have all of that hate inside of you?

Posted by: Patrick | August 13, 2007 10:40 AM"

Although the question's a bit repetitive (do you guys REALLY worry about whether we're happy or not?) and, I'd argue, rhetorical, here's an anwer for ya.

I live on hate sometimes, and it makes me strong. And I'm perfectly happy with that. Delighted, in fact. Think about that while we bide our time. Someday payback will be, well -- sweet.

Hopefully Bush and Cheney will follow their leaders way. Nancy is PRESIDENT. yES!!!!!!!

Good Riddance, being the architect of many White House policies, he's cost America a great deal and we've yet to see how it impact us in the future. So much to say for a well read man!!! Failed policies!!! http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=316 send him a message.

"Rove is a brilliant man who deserves a lot of credit for the successes of this administration"

Oh really Bart? Last I checked this administration is riddled with nothing but failures. What exactly is there to be proud of?

Posted by: Marko | August 13, 2007 11:02 AM

Marko,

This administration has succeeded in pretty much everything it has tried - tax cuts for the wealthy, unprovoked war against the man who tried to kill Dubya's daddy, no-bid contracts for Halliburton, substitution of "faith" for science, ability to spy on American citizens, the list goes on. Not only have the American people not seriously resisted such manuevers, but vast numbers have actually embraced them and called them "patriotic". That would be Rove's handiwork in the "successes" of this administration. If one can take pride in evil, then Rove has every reason to be proud.

AS the song goes ding dong the witch is departed//one of the architects of the evil empire and unlawful war leaves (now if he could just talk Cheney into leaving too)this man looks like a weird neo-con and he has destroyed our democracy, let's have a party but so much damage has already been done by the evil doer1 I celebrate today and hope soon the war will retire also!!

This litany of hate is Karl Rove's legacy. Karl's "genius" was not his ability to unite his party but his ability to focus on the things that divide us. He was the great labeler - red state vs. blue state, left-wing liberal vs. right-wing conservative, terrorist vs. patriot. He was able to appeal to the lowest common denominator in all of us. If we continue to hate each other for our differences, then he wins.

Patrick,

I'll bite, despite the repetitive nature of your question. How would you feel if someone raped your wife or sister or someone else you love? You'd hate that person, right? Well, there's your answer. Karl Rove and his boy genius Bush have raped the country a lot of us love. Not even us "therapy and group hug" liberals can forgive what he's done.

BC, your incredible ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

Do you even know who any of the left wing haters I named? First of all, Stuart Smalley is actually Al Franken. Franken HAD a radio show on the failed and bankrupt Air UnAmerica. He is now running for the U.S. Senate in Minnesota.
Randi Rhodes still is on Air UnAmerica, the night shift. In the past she has spoken of a desire for Bush to be assassinated.

Rosie is Rose O'Donnell, she was on the TV show "The View" for a year until leaving in June.

Danny Glover is an actor who goes to Venezuala to speak disparingly of this country and its president.

As far as Media Matters, that is a left wing website run by Clintonite John Podesta and funded by George Soross, hardly a credible outlet.

Tony, again, that comment you folks keep putting forth from O'Reilly is taken out of context and the comments are not being disseminated on the left wing websites in full.

So, please show me real hate comments from O'Reilly that you haven't copied off a left wing website or blog.

Another question for the Liberal Democrat Hate Mongers: How can you people be so happy when you have all of that hate inside of you?
Posted by: Patrick | August 13, 2007 10:40 AM

That seems to be the only thread the so-called Republican posters can talk about. It's called anger and frustration...not hate. I'm amazed that Republicans aren't furious with what this man has done to his party, not to mention this country. The so-called party of Christian values stands behind a man that spreads false rumors about rival candidates (from BOTH parties), uses faith as a weapon, and who has helped trample on the basic principles that have made this country a shining example in the world. Now, because of greed, lust for power, deceitfulness and vindictiveness, America is divided, vilified and scared.

The rat is leaving the sinking ship. But I must admit I still smell a rat.

Jim

To the right wingers:

This is the same guy who gleefully admits to pulling all kinds of dirty tricks at the start of his political career and has continued doing so.

With someone who has a DOCUMENTED whacked sense of morals is a stand up patriot and American?!?

I feel sorry that you're so blind. I feel sorry for our country that there are still people who can't see the truth of this administration.

I wish he would have left via a plane crash,or poisoning,accidental hunting accident would have been nice. You morons who think you and Rove are "patriots" are going to get your Facist asses handed to you when this country has another revolution and the the true Americans rise up and restores the Constitution. Or as your leader calls it " A Godd@mn piece of paper".

Bart,

Sucesses? Let's see now ....

1) Capturing bin Laden? check.
2) Peaceful democracy in Iraq? check.
3) $8 billion in cash handed over to al Queda? check.
4) Social Security stabilized? check.
5) Tax relief for the middle class? check.
5) Illegal immigration effectively managed? check.
6) Budget surplus protected and expanded? check.
7) Billions in tax relief / contracts to small businesses? check.
8) Education improved? check.
9) Effective FEMA department? check.
10) Continuing progress in medical research? check.
11) Successful reduction in costs of mining insprections& safety? check.
12) Effective energy policy? check.
13) Increasing our international influence? check.
14) Addressing environmental pollution issues? check.
15) Increasing healthcare availability? check.
16) Stabilization of the dollar? check.
17) Restoring "faith" in the integrity of the Office of the President? check.
18) Protecting the Constitution from abuse? check.
19) Forcefully speaking to rally and unify the country instead of pitting zealots on both sides against each other? check.
20) Shrinking the size of the federal government? check.
21) Reducing the federal deficit? check.
22) Resolutely presenting his ideas to open audiences instead of staged, military barracks? check.
23) Keeping his word about firing those in his administration who broke the laws? check.
24) Holding George Tenet accountable for bad intelligence reports instead of giving him the Medal of Freedom? check.
25) Mission accomplished? check.

Yep, Bart. I guess you're Right.

John D, the debunking of Wilson's story wasn't included because it never happened. Cite one reputable source that reported such.

Rabid Rightists may believe such lies but that will fail to make them fact.

Rove is slithering away to avoid testifying as a government employee, and to apply his unholy skills to someone's presidential bid. My money's on Giuliani. No other candidate needs the whitewashing more, and Rudy is a dirty trickster just like Karl.

Read this month's Harper's for a revealing report about Giuliani: "A Fate Worse Than Bush." What a perfect fit for Rove.

The fattest rat of all jumps ship before it goes down. The worst Presidency in my lifetime will end and Rove will not be in the final picture. Probably in Switzerland with his numbered account.

"Tony, again, that comment you folks keep putting forth from O'Reilly is taken out of context and the comments are not being disseminated on the left wing websites in full."

Johnny Torture-

What is the context that makes inviting Al Qaeda to launch a terror attack on US city acceptable?

Which american citizens do you and Bill O'Reilly want killed by terrorists?

What a shame the country has become so devisive and hateful; in large part we can thank Karl Rove and the Bush administration for that by encouraging this type of thinking. I was a Republican for 30 years until 2000 when I smelled something foul happening. I doubt I'll ever vote that way again. What damage they have done to this country and the Republican party. I just pray they get what they deserve in the end.

Take Bush and Cheney with you. All go live in Crawford

Jerry: Since when is being "leftist" a dirty word! Usually it's the "rightist" Republicans who have managed to make "leftist" into something disagreeable. I happen to be a Democratic and have been disgusted with this Presidency since he stole the election (or was elected by the Supreme Court). I, however, don't consider myself "leftist" or "rightist" but someone interested in the welfare of ALL the people of this country! If that makes me "leftist", so be it. I'm sick of the stigma supposedly attached to someone who disagrees with the President and his cronies, like the fondly-departing Karl Rove.

Karl Rove should be going to prison, not to retirement. If he really means to "spend more time with his family," I pity his poor family.

This is a great first step. The next step has to be getting rid of the cancer itself. Visit www.impeachbush.org

He out to be on trial with the rest of them for treason.

" I'm amazed that Republicans aren't furious with what this man has done to his party, not to mention this country." DD

I think DD hits the nail on the head. Instead of attacking the left, could some Rove backer simply and rationally explain how either the country or the republican party is actually better off than it was before Rove took a united post-9/11 country and chose to divide it? I would think you'd be angry too. Republicans lost the power they had in their grasp, and the country is foundering in the ways DD identified. Remember, its not a sign of weakness to see fault in those we want to believe it. It is a sign of true strength, and the right -- by moving lock step behind failed leaders -- is not doing its cause any favors by continuing to deny reality. Democrats should hope the next "Rove" is just as willing to continue digging in the hole that Karl has started.

Count Dooku is gone, now if Vader will just leave...

To answer the questions about how Rove is a racist... he was behind the smearing of John McCain in 2000 when he was beating Bush early in the polls. He accused McCain of having a black child out of wedlock, a rumor so harmful that McCain never recovered.

The fact was that McCain and his wife had adopted a child of color from a foreign country. A true act of Christian kindness. An act that Rove used to blow his "enemy" out of the water with a vicious lie.

That seems kind of racist to me.

Good-bye Karl,
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

What's maddening about the defenders of Karl Rove and the rest of this corrupt administration is that they couch their comments in patriotism, when the actions of our executive branch are the exact opposite of what our founding fathers had in mind. Continuing to support his administration is the very definition of "Anti-American" and "unpatriotic". The patriotic bumper sticker crowd gets up in arms when an American flag is burned...so why are they in support of burning the Constitution?

I agree with "Good riddance!"
The man was instrumental in disclosing the name of a covert operative and weaseled out of it by blaiming Libby as a fall guy. The man who once claimed that conservatism is now the dominant political force in the country had to run away when it became obvious even to him that he was wrong and that he is a continued liability to King George II.
Goodbye, Karl. I'll drive you to the train station.

I'm nostalgic for the Constitution. Remember when it was just the 2nd Amendment that people feared for, not the whole darn Bill of Rights? Remember when we had 3 branches of govt., not just one? Remember when impeaching the President wasn't "off the table"? And too, remember when we had a Fourth Estate that investigated and dared to criticize politicians who ran roughshod over the Constitution? We need Thomas Jefferson ASAP.

Swamp rules: (Comments aren't posted immediately. They're screened for relevance to the topic, obscenity, spam and over-the-top personal attacks.)
In my humble opinion most of the hatred expressed and name calling is "OVER THE TOP"

I don't believe this news needs to be debated as a Republican vs. Democrat issue. It is documented that this administration lied to all of us, sending sons and daughters of families of both parties into a war we can now not get out of. What I want to know is what happened to Doug Feith, the guy who blocked any internal dissension from the State Dept. and CIA prior to our invasion??

W's dad once defined anyone who outed one of our own agents as an "insidious traitor". How can you devoted Republicans manage to hang on to your dogmatic allegiance to these guys?

First, great post Rob M. You summed it up precisely as I would have. The thing I've always wondered is WHY this Administration, with their 91% approval rating, CHOSE to proceed with their divide and conquer routine. I mean, why not reach to the middle, bring the masses into the fold, and enjoy a Permanent Republican Majority (shudder!). Instead, it was just too tempting to grab as much power as possible in the immediate term. Bush could have been re-elected with an enormous majority in 2004 if he simply chose to work with the the center, as opposed to the so-far-to-the-left-they-think-they're-on-the-right NeoConservatives.

And then, directly below this well-written post, we have this from Bart:

"Rove is a brilliant man who deserves a lot of credit for the successes of this administration."

Ok, I'll bite: what ARE these "successes" of which you speak? Is it a solvent federal budget? No. Is it reforming entitlements? I'd have to say no. Providing for the common defense? Well, I guess since we're at war with someone he must be doing something right. Maintaining the nation's infrastructure? Yeah right. Honoring the Constitution? Like a lion honors its next meal. Upholding the law? Sorry guys, but the Geneva Conventions and Bill of Rights actually are the law of the land, as much as Mr. Bush acts otherwise.
Preventing terrorist attacks? We lost the World Trade Center, and the headquarters of the Defense Department was able to be attacked on his watch without any defense system whatsoever having budged. And the response? A couple months of window-dressing in Afghanistan before the real fight Bush & Co. have been itching for since 1993 began in Iraq, spilling blood and treasure at a rate unseen in at least a generation.

Oh, and where's Osama? Isn't he being harbored by a regime that we support? Does America support terrorists? Why is he allowed safe harbor in Pakistan? What happened to "us vs them?"

What about the anthrax attacks? What about "dead or alive?" "Last throes, we'll be greeted as liberators, reconstruction will pay for itself, heckuva job Brownie, Rumsfeld has my utmost confidence, Harriet Myers is qualified to be a Supreme Court justice, terrorists hate us for our freedom..."

Maybe you can help me out with some of Mr. Bush's "accomplishments" that only you and your fellow 28%ers seem to appreciate.

"Remember normal people: the Wingnuts are going to be lionizing their KKK vicious beast for weeks. Let's all just sit back and have a good laugh at them. Then, when we've collected all their assorted "stupididiums" (word of the day) we can print a book ripping all into the shreaded circle of illogical crap that it will be. Everyone, start coying & pasting. This is going to be fun!

snalg... Since we're doing words of the day... let's try quotes of the day:

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.
--George w. Bush

Greece, NY
05/24/2005

Keep up your "coying" and pasting Mr. Preview-before-posting!

Geez..the liberals are out in force today..such whining and sour grapes about a "consultant" to the president..And I see there are still comments about the 2000 election??... whining and complaining= liberals in the dictionary.. Anyone have a pacifier?? :)

Real Americans appreciate your service Karl!! Good luck to you and your family!! Help us win again in 2008 so I can hear the excuses as to why the democrats lost again!! :)

"Remember normal people: the Wingnuts are going to be lionizing their KKK vicious beast for weeks. Let's all just sit back and have a good laugh at them. Then, when we've collected all their assorted "stupididiums" (word of the day) we can print a book ripping all into the shreaded circle of illogical crap that it will be. Everyone, start coying & pasting. This is going to be fun!

snalg... Since we're doing words of the day... let's try quotes of the day:

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.
--George w. Bush

Greece, NY
05/24/2005

Keep up your "coying" and pasting Mr. Preview-before-posting!

Yippeee...

1 out of 3 leaving isn't bad. Now I wish we could get Bush and good old Dick impeached...

Please let this be the start of supeona and indictment season.

I wonder if his "resignation" was 'requested'. Could this perhaps be happening just prior to an indictment? This could get interesting ...

We can add the phrase "Rove resigning" to a long list of Orwellian language from this administration: phrases like "compassionate conservatism," "liberating Iraq" and "help is on the way." He may be officially "resigning" for whatever legal purposes it might serve him, but there is no way Bush will be functioning without his brain.

Jan,

Sorry to quibble.

You'll recall that Darth Cheney gave us the 4th branch of government.

I wax nostalgic (whatever that means) for 3 co-equal branches...

Better late than never.

Carl Rove- Bush's Joseph Goebbels- Nazi Minister of Propaganda and Dirty Tricks, after all the damage he has wrought on this country from behind the scenes is smartly getting out before the hangings start.

Doesn't matter. Rove will continue to be well paid by the Carlyle, AIPAC and AEI crowd. He'll make more millions on the fascist book/talk/Fox tour. He'll continue his ways while the 2008 election is stolen. Idiots like johndee and the usual running dogs above will lick up every lie Rove spits out. Yet, we're all - loony and wingnut - in a long downward spiral to international isolation and fiscal ruin. Fasten your seatbelts; it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?

The only misfortune is that Rove is probably going to go on to a lucrative career as a consultant and make a ton of money teaching others how to be manipulators and liars. So much incompetence and suffering came as a result of this man and his policies. I hope he truly retires and never has influence on anyone or anything again.

Karl Rove's departure from the White House is reason for celebration, but he's leaving 8 years too late. His nefarious dealings that secured and guided the Bush presidency have been disastrous for our country. Karl Rove is the "architect" of the most corrupt administration in U.S. history. He has played ringleader to the team of rich, spoiled frat boys who have spent the last two terms plundering the resources of the nation and amending the constitution to their own personal benefit.

Finally, this bacchanalia of all-encompassing greed, virulent arrogance, and blatant disregard for the citizenry of our country is nearing an end. This administration has been an 8-year travesty that America will regret for decades. Even he must see there’s nothing left to pillage; otherwise, Rove wouldn’t be leaving.

Good riddance, Karl Rove.

This pathetic, criminal weasel does not deserve this much attention. He should be forgotten so that this country can move forward instead of the Hell he and his party put us thru.

Just gives witness to the old adage: Rats leave a sinking ship. This closet fascist ruined the Republican Party and set the stage for a liberal, bleeding-heart comeback. Hope he gets mugged by an illegal alien.

Rob M,

I'm not a Republican but I imagine they would say that they are better off because of Rove due to the fact he helped Bush get elected twice. Its about winning and losing to them. being "Right" and everyone else being "Wrong". At whatever cost. And never admitting mistakes. like those that have led to abysmal approval ratings. He needs to spend more time with his kid WHO IS IN COLLEGE? A little to late for that. He's bailing like everyone else, plain and simple. Would he be leaving his masterwork if approval ratings were the opposite? I think not.

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

This American HERO has done more to advance this great nation than any Democrat who served in the military. Here's a clue Democrats, we don't want you here. Go away! And take your bi-lingual, multicultural friends with you.

Doug,

"If all the black, Republican members of Congress held a meeting, how big a room would you need?"

I don't see your point? The last time I checked, the American people vote for members of congress. The President appoints individuals to his cabinet and executive positions. However I know what you are attempting to say. It is very unfortunate that the majority of blacks feel that they have to rely on the Democratic party and government in general to meet their needs. I personally believe that they have the capacity to take care of themselves. I'll give you that the Democrats pushed for civil rights if you give me the fact that Republicans freed the slaves. But I think we would both agree that both parties have fundamentally changed since those eras. But my question to you is. What has the Democratic party really done for minorities? Except make them dependent?

methinks he deserves a long rest in a peacefull location somewhere in the Carribean. I hear they have a few open rooms for his type in a place called Gitmo...with rooms for all his cronies as well.

The Maniacal Rantings from the Loony Left:

This administration has succeeded in pretty much everything it has tried - tax cuts for the wealthy, unprovoked war against the man who tried to kill Dubya's daddy, no-bid contracts for Halliburton, substitution of "faith" for science, ability to spy on American citizens, the list goes on. Not only have the American people not seriously resisted such manuevers, but vast numbers have actually embraced them and called them "patriotic". That would be Rove's handiwork in the "successes" of this administration. If one can take pride in evil, then Rove has every reason to be proud.

Posted by: myauntfanny | August 13, 2007 11:13 AM

Aunt Fanny, let's take this SLOWLY:
1. Tax cuts. Under Bush, EVERYONE got tax cuts. And the poorest were REMOVED from paying federal income taxes. Child tax credit was DOUBLED from $500 to $1,000 (real savings for working families) and marriage penalty tax ended.
2. Unprovoked war. Can you tell me why Clinton bombed Iraq REGULARLY as president? Iraq also violated the cease-fire agreement it signed in 1991 as well as 17 UN resolutions. And, even if we did go to war for an assassination attempt on a sitting or former president, that is justified too.
3.No-bid contracts for Halliburton. Do you know that under Clinton, Halliburton received BILLIONS in no-bid contracts too? Only two (2) U.S. companies do what Halliburton does and Halluburton is one of them. Bechtel is the other (they get contracts too).
4. Faith over science? In what way? You're a Satanic nut, aren't you?
5. Spying on Americans. Please cite ONE AMERICAN who was spied on.

Good riddance is right. Karl Rove made his name as a dirty trickster - and if you admire him, there's a good chance you're letting your politics get in the way of your good sense and your better judgement. The United States has suffered under Rove and is worse for his service. Truly, a traitor for the books. This man sold out our country strictly for his politics and he deserves jail time for his role in undermining Bush's own war on terror.

This resignation occurred about 7 years too late. Good riddance, you dirty, low-life.....

I bet next month we see Karl doing commercials for Jenny Craig!

Meesh, AKA "Anonymous", WOW! You really ARE clever. Disputing everything because of a one letter missing typo "coying" instead of "copying." Wow! I'm a so totally busted by that. It is clear, the entire meaning was lost on you. Poor Meesh-Anonymous. That blog was a great example of how "no child left behind" has been such a huge success.

This American HERO has done more to advance this great nation than any Democrat who served in the military. Here's a clue Democrats, we don't want you here. Go away! And take your bi-lingual, multicultural friends with you.

Posted by: Stan Woodbridge | August 13, 2007 12:37 PM

Thanks for making it clear that it really is all about racism, Stan.

My heart is filled with sorrow, not hatred, because of the position in which our nation now is. Our current leaders chose to squander this country's resources -- human, monetary, and environmental -- and at the same time managed to convince 1/2 of our electorate that it was in their best interest do so. They have pitted citizen against citizen, probably to a level not seen since the Civil War. As Americans, don't we all really want the same things? Isn't it time that we bind together before it is too late?

Why do so many Americans only see two ways of thinking--left or right? Most people on this board accuse those who they perceive as their opponent of hate-mongering, then follow up by spewing a little hate of their own. Personally, I largely disagree with the job the current administration is doing. Notice I did not indicate my political affiliation? Doesn't matter, because on this board, just by saying so I have already been pigeonholed as a "loony lefty". Is it possible there are more than two kinds of people? Why do we feel the need to compete?

"I'm not a Republican but I imagine they would say that they are better off because of Rove due to the fact he helped Bush get elected twice." KB

You are probably right, KB but that is not very convincing or compelling. He deserves credit for the 2000 win, but boy 2004 should not even have been close. If Bush had capitalized on the post-9/11 support, rather than divide the country, a weak candidate like Kerry would have been pummeled. The best I can think of for Rove's legacy is Alito and Roberts. I hope for their sake the Rove-backers have a better argument than that, though I don't think they do. Since most of what I read from them here is a litany of Fox-fed misinformation and attacks on the "hating" left, I think they are answering my question for me.

John D.

You must be kidding. First, sure, there were income tax cuts for all - but these benefitted the rich more than anyone else. Second, Clinton didn't start a war (buy a dictionary after you take your meds). Third, are you so certain there are only two companies that can do that work? PLEASE! Fourth, faith over science...STEM CELL RESEARCH. Fifth, spying on Americans? You doubt this? Even your own moronic president acknowledges this. John, you are so rabid to hate non Bush lovers that you blind yourself to clear and documentable facts...yup, a solid Republican. Keep up the good work and we'll be assured the White House in the next election.

Anonymous,

Well there's:

The Fair Labor Standards Act.

The Civil Rights Act.

The Voting Rights Act.

The last time I checked the individual parties nominate their respective candidates. And when Republicans don't nominate blacks, they can't win general elections. I've heard it for years among the white boy club who think all of us think the same: "Those damn Democrats just want to take my money and give it to niggers."

You're party is as phoney and inversely proportionate to the size of the Republican black Congressional Caucus.

You can't handle the truth.

Good Riddance!

So the second biggest rat of the Bush Administration is leaving a sinking ship...good. With any luck, the whole stinking bunch will fall. Then we can begin restoring what is truly great about America.

I thought Rove resigned last year, lol. I doubt he's really going anywhere. Calling Rove a patriot is one of the more laughable things I've ever heard. He could care less about this country. He helped steer it into disaster, helped us go to a disastrous war predicated on lies, and ruined our standing in the world. He also helped Bush turn policy and governance into religious tools, as political appointments and new policy has been based on nutty right wing evangelical beliefs. Surely, that's not what Reagan was about. Rove and Co. simply exploited this country, its people, resources, and environment for personal gain, not because of patriotism. If they were true patriots they wouldn't trample on the constitution, send our men and women to unjust wars to die, and make the terrorism threat around the world much greater. Here's to hoping that Rove goes hunting with Cheney in West Texas, and we have a repeat of the last time the tin man opened fire.

"I'm not a Republican but I imagine they would say that they are better off because of Rove due to the fact he helped Bush get elected twice." KB

You are probably right, KB but that is not very convincing or compelling. He deserves credit for the 2000 win, but boy 2004 should not even have been close. If Bush had capitalized on the post-9/11 support, rather than divide the country, a weak candidate like Kerry would have been pummeled. The best I can think of for Rove's legacy is Alito and Roberts. I hope for their sake the Rove-backers have a better argument than that, though I don't think they do. Since most of what I read from them here is a litany of Fox-fed misinformation and attacks on the "hating" left, I think they are answering my question for me.

Didnt mean to post this as "anonymous." Still, no-one on the Rovian right has answered why they think Rove has helped their cause rather than -- in the long run -- hurt it. Rob M.

"there were income tax cuts for all - but these benefitted the rich more"

as would any tax cut...if you have more taxable money and you get a taxcut you will get more savings than someone with less taxable income...why is this so hard to understand? It benefits everyone who has taxable income...duh!

"there are only two companies that can do that work?"
so how many compaines are there? ...waiting...stupid arguement. How about companies with experience..

"STEM CELL RESEARCH" wrong again...stem cells collected from other legal sources have been more effecxtive...don't you ever read the news?

"spying on Americans?" I think it was very obvious what was being spied upon. Are you saying they have been spying on all of us? proof or are you just saying something you heard?

I the majority of those in Chicago are liberal...but have also noticed that Chicago has the most corruption in local government, racism runs rampant, cost of living is outrageous, murder, crime...all higher than where I live in the supposed racist south...you liberals need to look around and see the progress of your liberal leaders promises...it is not a pretty sight......

In reference to "The genius of Karl Rove":

So what if he is a genius ?
So was Adolph Hitler.

If you love America. If you love the Constitution. If you love our system of checks and balances. Then you have to be absolutely elated to see this despicable man leave.

Good riddance! Can Bush, Cheney, and Gonzales resign too?

If thinking for myself, not buying into the GOP spin machine and beleiving in the freedoms afforded to me by the US Constitution means I am a "Liberal Democrat" - so be it.

Karl Rove reminds me of one of the quintessential advertising icons - Joe Camel. Extremely effective to the point of being Genius in terms of attaining its goals. Unfortunately the results of those goals have caused our great country to loose it's soul.

Brian

Let's see ... secured the nomination of an unqualified, unintelligent faux-southerner for president, check. Fixed election for said nominee with the help of the nominee's brother, check. Participated in squandering budget surplus by giving it away to the already-rich, check. With Cheney and Rummy, spun lies and fearmongering in order to start a war for oil, check. Outed covert CIA agent as retribution for her husband's spilling beans about lies about war, check. Won re-election for unqualified president by pandering to voter homophobia, check. Organized campaign for hugely expensive senior prescription-drug benefit by concealing true cost, check. Had competent US attorney fired and installed crony after the former failed to pursue enough cases against Democrats, check. Plundered science and repressed data in the name of political agenda, check.
Karl, I think you've paid your dues.

Let's see ... secured the nomination of an unqualified, unintelligent faux-southerner for president, check. Fixed election for said nominee with the help of the nominee's brother, check. Participated in squandering budget surplus by giving it away to the already-rich, check. With Cheney and Rummy, spun lies and fearmongering in order to start a war for oil, check. Outed covert CIA agent as retribution for her husband's spilling beans about lies about war, check. Won re-election for unqualified president by pandering to voter homophobia, check. Organized campaign for hugely expensive senior prescription-drug benefit by concealing true cost, check. Had competent US attorney fired and installed crony after the former failed to pursue enough cases against Democrats, check. Plundered science and repressed data in the name of political agenda, check.
Karl, I think you've paid your dues.

When asked why he wasn't staying on for the remainder of the President's second term, Rove replied, "Well, I want to really hit the ground running on my next task: roasting in hell for all eternity."

To Don Mills and Ted T:

I don't think I agree with your drawing parallels between Karl Rove and Josef Goebbles.

I think the better analogy is that Karl Rove is equal to Martin Bormann.

From a historical standpoint, this is cleaner and more accurate. However, I do get your points. All three are evil, they embody the dictionary definition of the word.

Karl Rove is resigning! Only Dick Cheney leaving (in good health) would be better news! He bleated the time honored wheeze about wanting to spend more time with his family but I think Dubya cashiered him because Dubya no longer needs Rove's, um, political skills. I also think that Fred Fielding sired Rove's departure to get him(Rove) out of Senator Waxman's line of fire.

I want to extend a hearty thank you to Herr Rove.

Often, the Kingmaker goes unnoticed. But Herr Rove transcended that role and became an uber-strategitician with a knack for forward thinking. It is unfortunate he could not develop a final solution to the problems in the middle east.

Hopefully, we can all learn from Herr Rove's legacy and work towards a society where hard work is rewarded with freedom.

I must admit, it is truly amazing how much "Christian Love" is expended in these comments. What disheartens me the most is the blindness that is perpetuated by the "Party Loyality". We can not move forward as a responsible democracy as long as there are so many who choose to be blindly faithful to a party. Think for yourselves and learn to listen to the person, then vote on your conscience, not what you are told by the Republicans or Democrats, or anyone else for that matter. Take a lot of history too. Remember the saying, those who do not know history are doomed to relive it. In many ways we have!

With Karl leaving who is now going to run the country? I sure hope Karl trained someone to be number 2 otherwise we're going to be like a rudderless ship and really in a big mess.

D,

Thanks, although even if George Bush himself showed John D. documented proof of everything, he still wouldn't believe it.

I would just add to your explanation of "faith" vs. science: so-called abstinence-only education, so-called "Intelligent Design" and denial of global warming.

Good riddance. One less minion in the evil entourage.

snalg:
No meaning was lost. Just a little tit-for-tat back at you. Seems you can criticize others for not checking before they send off their blogs, but they can't do the same to you? You're right about that "no child left behind" part.... Calm down. Your ranting is particularly ugly.
.... and the anonymous comment was sent off because of a stuck key on my keyboard. I did however make it a point to resend with my name. Get over yourself.
By the way to add to the word of the day issue and being able to "print a book ripping all into the shreaded circle of illogical crap that it will be." Here's one for you:
The Rants, Raves and Thoughts of George W. Bush: The President in His Words and Those of Others (The Rants, Raves and Thoughts). You can find plenty of words of the day or quotes of the day from there to keep us all informed.

I couldn't be happier to hear this news. Whatever side you're on, it's hard to deny that the sentiment, environment and approach has become more divisive, more caustic, and less productive. Good riddens.

Johnny Denial,

Here's your hero's next stop:

http://www.avantnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=308

I like Rove. As I read through the comments, I can see that some of his detractors are deranged. There isn't enough room here to deal with the lies and misconceptions, but I think it is safe to say that many people have a strange emotional hatred for Bush/Rove and, really, America. If you step back and try to rise above the emotion, you'll see all sorts of things: some good, some bad. But these good and bad things are on all sides. I had to laugh at one comment where Rove is accused of being a "race baiter." Duh, look at the Democrats and how they have used black people over the years. It's a shame how the Democrats have screwed them. For just about every issue, the Democrats are on the wrong side of things. I think this hatred for Bush is just the liberals' way of being driven nuts. Rove is just a symbol for their hate.

It's strange in that the Liberals aren't really "for" anything; they are always against things.

My post may seem disjointed to some, but I just see this hatred being so consuming for liberals.

A lot of this thinking is from a guy named Evan Sayet. Here is a talk he gave earlier in the year called "How Modern Liberals Think":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

It's very good. I had to watch it several times, but now that I understand it, it's easy to see why Liberals are so hateful.

They talk about peace and getting along but they can't even practice it (or try to perfect it) with the rest of us!!! How are they going to deal with issues like Militant Islam when their ideas fail right at home? I think this is one reason liberals are crazy. At some level, they have to know that what they say is bs.

Watch the video!

"How do these Democrat Hate Mongers get up and face the day?"

Easy Patrick. I think of all you Republican Hate Mongers who will soon be relegated to a permanant minority and I have a good laugh.

The English would say he is a bounder and a cad. I am an American-he is simply a disgrace to our country.

What a joke! The people that have posted comments on disliking Rove(10-1 unfavorable to favorable) are all being accused of being uber lefties?! Well I for one am a serious moderate independent and I hold nothing but contempt for Karl Rove. In fact the dislike for Karl Rove goes MUCH deeper than the typical Cindy Sheehans of the world, it goes all the way up the political spectrum from super lefties to right wing libertarians. The only people who still support Karl Rove, in this country, are the same that fall within the 20% of those who still favor Bush. The hilarious thing is that these low percentages that still support Bush/Rove are the same small sample size that posted anti-left comments following this article! To those few right wingers who still believe in the current administartion, "Stop blaming just the lefties and start blaming the 75% of this country that loathes this administration, which consists of lefties, moderates and more than a few righties!!".

He can't take the heat, so he's getting out of the kitchen!

Thank you, Karl Rove, for your service to this country. We are safer and stronger for it.

Mr. Karl Rove,

Thank you for your service to our great country. May God bless you and your family.

"Thank you, Karl Rove, for your service to this country. We are safer and stronger for it. Bill"

Respectfully, Bill, I don't see how. We are mired in Iraq; Al Qaeda is reconstituting in Pakistan, the Taliban is gaining strength in Afghanistan. It seems that our true enemy is in better position than they should be. We are a divided country, not one that is united. I'd like to hear your reasoned views and response to this. No name calling; just help me understand.

Doug,

Republicans voted in favor of both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act in a higher percentage than the Democrats. For the Civil Rights Act, Republicans voted 80% yea as opposed to Democrats 63% yea. For the Voting Rights Act Republicans voted 85% yea to the Democrats 77% yea. That seems to fly in the face of the idea that Republicans are against minorities while Democrats are for them.

So the Evil One is leaving.....
Great news!

More vitriolic hate mongering by Democrats. I'm old enough to remember that they said the same things about Herbert Hoover but he lived long enough to make his detractors eat crow. Rove like the man he helped to the Presidency is a man of principle, integrity and honesty, something some of the comment writers in most cases should try to emulate. History will disprove the denigrators of this administration and those connected to it in any way.

Mr. Karl Rove,

I know why you are getting out now, so Dubya can pardon you before his term ends. I hope your new address will be some federal pen or another. BTW, thank you for dividing our country and driving issue wedges for your own personal gain.

Steve, don't forget that they ***LOVE*** to bring up Bill Clinton, forgetting that he hasn't been in the chair in well over six years.
And to all the Hannity-lovin', Kool-Aid drinkin', money-hoardin', homo-hatin' righties: Yours truly didn't set out to hate Bush, Cheney,or Rove; they just made it exceptionally easy. I still have trouble hating Reagan, even though in many ways he was worse than Bush.

Robert Lucas = Crack Head! KKKRove is a man completely deovoid of principle, integrity and honesty. IN FACT, DITTO HEAD, Bush Sr. fired Rove exactly because he lacked those qualities your crack riddled mind no longer seems comprehend.

I'm old enough to remember that they said the same things about Herbert Hoover but he lived long enough to make his detractors eat crow.

Posted by: Robert Lucas | August 13, 2007 3:14 PM

Yes.. .Herbert Hoover, who has moved up in History's eyes from possibly the worst President to just a pretty crappy one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

Real strong there, Robert.

While no one in politics is perfect, Mr. Rove (along with those he was chosen to aide) brought about an unprecedented era of global mistrust in the United States, not to mention homeland blunders like Katrina. This is not about rooting for one "home team"of conservatives or liberals.

This is about looking at a budget that funds a mislead foreign war instead of our failing educational system. This is about the destruction of personal liberties and the gross misuse of the bill of rights. This is about focusing our energy on "red herring issues" such as gay marriage, which in the eyes of the Constitution should be related to property and civil rights instead of morals, instead of government fiscal responsibility.

Do I think Mr. Rove is that much worse than the rest of Washington? Sadly, no. Until we protest our outrage via the voting box, our pocketbooks, and the streets we are just as responsible as they are.

As Mr. Bush once said, "America will never run... and we will always be grateful that liberty has found such brave defenders." I couldn't agree more. It is time to point our fingers not only at the three branches of government that have failed us, but at ourselves and our previous apathy. Only then will we reclaim and deserve the title of the Greatest Nation in the World.

Will just one of the pro-Rove shills try to defend what that man did to Alabama Supreme Court Justice Mark Kennedy in his 1994 re-election campaign? Or all you all ignorant of the history of this vile oligarch?

Sing along with me now..."Nah nah nah nah;nah nah nah nah; hey hey, good bye!" and repeat!

LMAO at Robert Lucas statement "Rove like the man he helped to the Presidency is a man of principle, integrity and honesty".

He bugged his own office once to frame an adversary. He utilized race-baiting to tank John McCain's campaign. Hell, Rove's nickname, given to him by Bush, the very man who owes most to him, is "Turd Blossom". Why do you think that is?

It's Rove's very lack of principle, integrity and honesty that has made him so "successful".

"Rove like the man he helped to the Presidency is a man of principle, integrity and honesty, something some of the comment writers in most cases should try to emulate."

WOW! Mr. Lucas I sincerely hope that you receive good healthcare so you can see how poorly history records the Bush administration. Unlike you I didn't live during the Hoover administration but having seen and heard for myself, the Bush administration will never get the benefit of the doubt! And I doubt history will be as forgiving as you.

Beware: this man is not retiring. Nixon-style dirty tricks are his trademark, and next year's presidental primaries and election are the perfect time for him to re-emerge after a few months of rest.

Bush and Cheney don't need him anymore, because their policies are on autopilot for the next 18 months.

Rove is ramping up to unleash a slimefest in 2008. Remember the swiftboats.

Al says 'liberals aren't 'for' anything' - WHAT? Liberals are for equality, freedom, fairness, peace, ethical behavior of our elected officials? What are conservitives for? Lower taxes (for them), more money in their pockets, sending other people's children to fight wars, hypocritical behavior of elected officals, making other people adhere to morality that they themselves can't adhere to. I see a pattern here - and Karl Rove was a PERFECT example of - Conservatives want the freedom to preserve their way of life, while making it illegal to make any other choice - even if it is more moral, fair, etc.

Time will tell. As he "has sown, so shall he reap." It would be interesting to follow the plights of all the members of this administration after they leave office to see just what "rewards" they have earned through their actions these last eight years.

Rove did as much damage on his side of the aisle as Carville did on his. I'm not a fan of either.

Al,

Wow, that was one heck of a hate-fest you linked to there. The guy is to the right of Ann Coulter my man! And frankly, when you hear someone say that not only do liberals "hate America" but are "wrong on absolutely every issue in every way," doesn't that make you think twice about the credibility of the person speaking to you?

Jeez, I listened to the guy for 10 minutes and each and every vitriolic phrase could have easily been uttered by Ann Coulter.

Al, you need to step outside of your filter. "The Heritage Foundation" is to the right what "People for the American Way" is to the left.

I'm still reeling from 10 minutes of listening to that guy talk. Sorry, but its the "you don't like vanilla so you must like chocolate" mentality. So "liberals" or whatever say we shouldn't invade Iraq for a myriad of reasons, none of which having to do with wanting America to "lose" or some equally inane soundbite. They might even be, DARE SAY!, based on principles.

But here comes this Ann Coulter wannabe saying that because some liberals oppose the war in Iraq that they wanted Saddam in power, support rape rooms and torture chambers, and so on and so forth.

In essence, this is what Karl Rove has wrought. No policy discussion can be had anymore without suggesting that the American disagreeing with you hates the country, loves terrorists, is a loser, etc.

He talks about abstinence-only as if the only alternative to abstinence-only is for constant perma-fornication for all men, women and children. Is it possible, maybe just possible, that there's a 3rd way? Say, arming kids (of appropriate ages) with the tools to protect themselves against disease while also protecting themselves from pressure and some of the other pitfalls of sexual activity? Does educating kids about sex mean they are going to go out and have more of it? Does NOT educating them mean they will have LESS of it?

Can one think that invading Iraq is stupid for all the reasons that were totally predictable and have played themselves out exactly as the non-Utopians thought they would without "hating America?"

Can one be for age-appropriate sex education without thinking all kids should have sex with the first person they can find?

If you answered "no," than you have truly absorbed Rovian philosophy.

I realize this is rambling but that guy from the Heritage Foundation along with Jerry White's recent musings that he "thinks bridges falling down is a problem, but not enough to pay more in taxes to fix" sums up rather succinctly everything that is wrong with the GOP and this country, the Can't Do or Won't Do Nation.

In summation: we are all Americans and we are all in this together. No one wants the country to fail, we simply have honest difference in how we think the nation should move forward.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

"Love thy neighbor as thy self."

As far as making us safer today, former CIA officials have been publicly commenting on the complete collapse of morale at the agency after the outing of Valerie Plame...many current agents are actively seeking employment elsewhere, leading to an upcoming "brain drain". The Army had to relax recruiting standards to accept felons and raise the age cap to 40. Fewer intelligence analysts and a desperate military to not equate to a safer America.

So we bid you farewell, Mr. Rove. You have robbed us of our hard-earned dollars. You have damaged our justice system. You have weakened our civil rights. You have killed members of our families. You have ruined our nation's reputation abroad. You have left us living in fear. You have made the world a more dangerous place to live. If your hell exists, may you burn in its depths forever.

"the truth" writes, "It would be interesting to follow the plights of all the members of this administration after they leave office to see just what "rewards" they have earned through their actions these last eight years."

I agree, and doubtless it will be done by investigative journalists and others---just as the unseemly "ka-ching" excesses of President Clinton and President GHW Bush have been documented and published:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/02/28/ex_presidents_big_payday/

The rants that Rove provokes from the left are pretty amusing. There are few groups of people out there to whom it is acceptable to stereotype and hate, particularly if one identifies with a Progressive credo. That makes the vitriol directed at any remaining groups all the more vituperative. To be sure, it exists from the right, too: and if we see a President Hillary then we will indeed see if such intemperate extremism is as much a phenomenon of the far right as of the left.

For my part, Rove was an unusually effective adviser who worked within the political institutions, with all of their imperfections. The ubiquity of his name testifies to his success - when a political adviser causes the opponent to start at their own shadows and imagine the tentacles of this 'prince of darkness' everywhere, then he has succeeded.

It is true that he helped tilt the polarization of the nation further, as this 'partisan disagreement is now a criminal offense' attitude of the Impeach Bush crowd shows.

Karl Rove always stood for one thing! Don't let the truth get in the way of your message. The hypocrisy of this person is unbelievable! Here he stands anti-gay and he brings Joe Gannon into the White House and the Reverend Haggard was hand picked by him, and his former assistant who is now assistant Secretary of Commerce is gay. Hey, you don't think? Even Rock Hudson got married....to a woman....once.

Never in the course of human endeavors has one man done so much to undermine mankind.

Never in the course of human endeavors has one man done so much to undermine mankind.

Never has so few people done so much damage to a democracy in so short a time, except perhaps the Nazi Party's take over of Germany during the 30's. It will take a generation to undo the damage done by Karl Rove, Dick Cheney and the moron sitting in the oval office.

This is truly a sad say. not that Rove is resigning but that he was in that position to resign to begin with. Thank goodness he and Cheney have been around to protect us from the terror of compassion and science. Oh, and great job, Rovie.

Though I have little in common with Rove's political ideology, the reason he disgusts me is not his ideology, but rather the filthy "anything goes" mentality he uses to achieve his objectives.

While politics has always been a dirty business, Rove has dragged it deeper into the cesspool. We as a free country are the poorer for having our political processes corrupted by this man whose drive to win was stronger than his drive to do right.

Rove's arrogance and disdain for decency, legality, and ethics are emblematic of the current administration. Remember how Bush wanted to be a "uniter, not a divider"? His has been the most divisive administration in generations, and Rove was one of the chief agents setting this agenda.

Admittedly, Rove is a brilliant strategist, but that too can be said about many evil men.

I'm glad he's gone, but I'll be even happier on January 20, 2009.

What is it exactly that you liberals think that Rove did that was so horrible? Anyone care to offer facts and not blather?
Also, If Bush needs to be impeached, Why doesn't Nancy Pelosi do anything about it?

Liberal Cry Babies!!

Just watch!!! Karl Rove will take the fall for all the illegal and suspicious activities this administration has orchestrated. He will be indicted, tried and convicted and then Bush will pardon him. Rove will be the fall guy and confess to all the illegal activity thus exonerating the rest of the administration. Then be pardon and walk away a free man

Is it too early to talk about Rove's legacy?:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/michael_tomasky/2007/08/not_the_legacy_he_had_in_mind.html

Like the scene from Office Space says:

"What would you say you do here"

Rove like the man he helped to the Presidency is a man of principle, integrity and honesty, something some of the comment writers in most cases should try to emulate.
Posted by: Robert Lucas | August 13, 2007 3:14 PM

We should "try to emulate"? OK everyone, pull out those signing statements! The law doesn't have to apply to you. That separation of powers stuff is all just for show for the little people.

Notice how the Repubs are using the favorite Rove tactic that was referred to earlier of repeating something over and over again (in this case "hate-mongering") to try and make it seem truthful, even though it isn't. I bet Rove learned this from the Soviets.

Does anyone know the life cycle of slime mold?

7 years too late.

To Tom:

You can read just a few of his DOCUMENTED misgivings in the above posts.

Rove himself has gleefully shared his dirty trick stories once.

To Tom:

You can read just a few of his DOCUMENTED misgivings in the above posts.

Rove himself has gleefully shared his dirty trick stories once.

"What is it exactly that you liberals think that Rove did that was so horrible? Anyone care to offer facts and not blather? Also, If Bush needs to be impeached, Why doesn't Nancy Pelosi do anything about it?

Liberal Cry Babies!!

Posted by: Tom | August 13, 2007 5:39 PM "

Tom, you only need to read all the above to know why Rove has earned so much enmity from the USA public. I'd say, 'let me count the ways,' but if you simply scroll up and read back down, you'll see it.

Now, let's turn your question around. There have been at least 30 specific issues identified where he's been hatful & negative. Please, you list some specific great accomplishments. We're all waiting to learn of the glory of KKKarl Rove.

Thomas, I believe that Rove's misdeeds have been enumerated here, and I'm sure there is much more to come.

Get off of it. People like you will support anyone just so long as he is a conservative. That is why these debates go nowhere.

P.S. Rove is a devout atheist; he should thank every liberal cry baby he knows for respecting his right NOT to believe while he courts those who would stone him for it.

"

Is this a place for comments, or is this a place for Hate-Filled Democrats? How do these Democrat Hate Mongers get up and face the day?

Posted by: Patrick | August 13, 2007 9:46 AM "

The same way you idiot republicans face yourselves in the mirror every day after selecting these idiots to ru(i)n our country.

Well, I went back and read the first 30 or so posts. Here is what we have so far. Rove is guilty of race baiting? that's a new one. Failure to testify, doesn't have to executive privilege. Exposing CIA operative, uh, didn't the Left convict Scooter of that, aand if it was Rove, where is the outrage that an innocent man was found guilty? Tax cuts for the rich, rich pay most of the taxes, and by most I mean over 75%, so you poor liberals can complain all you want.
I also see Rove guilty of election fraud, illegal wiretapping, assimilation of power. Where do you kooks come up with this stuff? I see him called a Coward? huh? Politics of division? He invented that?

You all have a screw lose. Better get moveon.org to give you new marching orders, Rove will be busy getting rich on the speaking tour now.

Does anyone else here find it absolutely brilliant that every Rove supporter here can only defend him with these three things?

1)Liberals are crybabies!
2)Democrats are full of hate!
3)Rove is a loyal patriot!

Um, forgive me Roveians, but defending a guy by bashing your opposing political party is pretty weak.

I'd love to hear one - just ONE - Bush/Rove supporter describe, with some semblance of factual eloquence, what they've done for America that's positive.

And the "we're safer" argument is ridiculous. The man who planned 9/11 HAS NOT BEEN CAUGHT.

Oh, and one last thing, "Righteous Righties", should we follow your "no hate" lead and act the way you did when Clinton was in office?

My goodness Bush-supporters; you're a sad, uninformed, brainwashed, overly defensive, angry, frightened bunch who could seemingly care less about facts, integrity, and actual pride in our country.

Clinton/Obama/Edwards/Biden,
hell - ANYONE ELSE in '08!

Good riddance to him and we can't wait until the whole bunch of them are finally gone. They came into office under false lies and cheating and they'll all leave office with the country in worse shape than it has ever been. This was a President, V.P., and all the rest of liars, cheaters, stealers and disuniters and lead us to the worse foreign policy tebable in our country's history. It will take us decades to recover from the mess they have made of everything.

Bye bye Rove. You've done all the VISIBLE work you can do at this time.

Now with the primaries coming up, this guy is going underground, behind the scenes using ignorance, fear, and race-baiting; to work out his hatred. His hatred for this country and it's intelligent people.

Let's not forget how much this man laughs at our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

Signed - an "old-fashioned" patriot who really cares about this country.

I see the propagandized right wing stooges are out in force. They are clueless. Rove is a vicious criminal thug. He and his bosses really ought to be in the dock, on trial for war crimes - among other outrages against civilization.

We can only hope that some small measure of justice will be visited upon Karl and his co-conspirators.

Gawd, how much this country needs to be rid of this awful bunch, even as sewage washed up outside the door cries out for removal.

Heard Mr. Rove will be spending time shooting doves in Texas for relaxation.
Why do all those red blooded, patriotic, terror fighting, don't mess with me, butt kicking he-men all like to shoot things that can't fight back ?

Kind of reminds me of the old tales of rats leaving the ship long before it sinks....

Rove...>OUT

Rob M--

My belief is a simple one. Rove is responsible to helping to get President Bush elected. President Bush's policy of using our armed forces and intelligence agencies to locate and kill terrorists keeps them from trying to kill me and my family. I feel safer. Sorry we disagree.

And the rats desert the sinking ship...

I wonder what the Bush administration legacy MIGHT have been if 9/11 had never happened? Without being too cynical you have to admit the horrendous events of 9/11 gave the Bush administration (and Rove) leverage to do what they wanted to do and still have the unwavering support of the American populace during the immediate time of crisis looking for leadership. Six years later bin Laden and al-Qaida still run amok like the rats they are, Iraq which was supposed to be a quickie catharsis for America turns into quagmire and Americans hate each other more than they do the terrorists brought on by the "we're right they're unpatriotic" vitriol of the neo-conservatives; and the world either despises us or laughs at us more so than ever before. So to all you neocons extolling the virtues of Rove answer this, What would Bush's administration have been like if 9/11 never gave Bush the political capital to do what they damn well please...?

As if things weren't bad enough, now Bush becomes the scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz.

Tom:

Please see my original post as my reasons that I did not approve of Mr. Rove's advice to Mr. Bush or my disappointment in the current Presidency. As a politically independent public school teacher, I deal daily with the negative effects of the No Child Left Behind Act and the unfortunate legacy it is leaving our children. The next generation will not be able to compete in the global market due to the stress on testing versus learning. I fear we will one day lament the fact that those paying for our social security, if it indeed still exists, do not have the imaginative skills necessary to make America the nation of innovators that we currently prize ourselves as being. It is unfortunately that black and white, and schools have no choice but to comply with NCLB or lose funding. This also can be attributed to the increase in employment outsourcing, something that hits our economy regardless of political affiliation.

I also encounter daily with American children who are served two school provided lunches a day to avoid hunger, parents who who work two plus jobs to get by, and students who cannot see the blackboard because they cannot get glasses due to lack of health insurance. I hope through your research of these and other issues you will see that, as I said before, no politician or political party is perfect. But this Presidency in my opinion, with Mr. Rove's help, has dropped the ball. If you find things differently, I know those at this forum look forward to your data in a mature manner. As I tell my students, name calling only shows lack of creativity and admitting that you have already lost the debate.

Put the kool-aid down. Karl Rove is manipulator of situations when he holds all the best cards. Those cards haven't been playing out too well lately, i.e., 2006 elections, Bush approval ratings, US Attny's scandal, just to name a few. Don't worry, I'm sure he'lll write a crappy book down the line that all the right will pine over. Antonio, you're right on the money.

Combine all the "vitriol from Democrats" in one place at one time and 'it' will never be responsible for the death of one innocent Iraqi. NOT ONE !
Can the repugs say the same of their emotional outbursts ?

(To date the lowest figures of innocents killed in Iraq
is approx. 50,000 and it very well could go much higher.-- Newsweek)

In the months following 9/11 George Bush enjoyed the trust and affection of the American people. Then, acting on Karl Rove's advice, he threw it away by demonizing the Democrats as pacifists and cowards. After the attack by the Jihadis, we wanted John Kennedy. Thanks to Rove, we got Joe McCarthy. Nice work, Karl.

Does Rove's resignation mean he is no longer eligible for executive privilege and therefore can be called before Congress to testify?

Bill: Thanks for the straightforward, honest and rhetoric-free answer. I'm not sure I agree that Bush has actually done the things you credit him with -- the military was largely removed from Afghanistan where it was fighting the terrorists, the people that actually harmed us -- and is now fighting a different set of folks in Iraq, creating easy targets for people who want to kill Americans (why go over there when Americans can be killed in Iraq), and largely ignoring the rebirth of Al Qaeda in Pakistan and the Taliban in Afgahnistan. Further, the whole Plame episode (whether Rove was the first person to out her is not the issue; placing a political score settling ahead of national security is) seems counter to using our intelligence in the best way possible. I'd be happy to hear your answers to what seem to me to be real serious errors in judgment that make us less safe,not more. Is it your position that we are "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here"? Help me understand the logic of that position. If nothing else, though, I credit you with the tone of your answer and presume you don't consider me a traitor because we disagree. Cheers, Rob M.

When the final cards are counted Rove and the early 2000s Republican Party will be remembered not for taking the people's business to heart but for the cynical manipulation of wedge-voting which serves only to push an unworthy candidate to the slimmest margin of electoral victory and then divide the spoils amongst special interest groups and the already wealthy. Those who took part and those who supported them will cringe in shame 20 years from now as their children learn about the disaster of a world left to them by the Bush White House and the Rove Republicans.

I have been reading many articles about Karl Rove's master plan, which fortunately for America, failed. All the articles stress the same thing...his desire for a single way of thinking and doing for Americans! The desciptions of his ideas and his actions could have been written for any other fascist in recent history! I am so relieved America came to its senses. I hope it is not too late.

May he go to hell the most discusting human being on the planet he is a cock roach and looks like one too

Happily, Rove is no longer in charge of the Bush strategy to turn our democracy into a game of Monopoly. I think that now he should go directly to jail, not passing go. At a minimum, he's guilty of massive violations of the Hatch Act prohibiting political activity by government employees.

Too little, too late. Karl Rove was an evil genius. I never was fond of the man, but the fact that he was able to exhibit such influence is downright amazing (not in a good way). I'm glad he is gone but he should have resigned 2 years ago.

Let's not preach hate, let us move beyond this disconcerning president and focus on repairing our reputation to the world. We are still a great country but we can do far better.

Thanks, Rob M. And Bill, so glad you feel so safe...a safety paid for with the lives of thousands of other American's family members and over a hundred thousand Iraqis. Don't imagine anyone in your family is prepared to join in your fearless leader's battle against terrorism...you know, the one that is creating terrorists faster than we can kill them.

Rob M--If Rove had committed a crime and put settling political scores above national security, Pat Fitzgerald (a Bush appointee) would have indicted him.
As for the conclusion that some serious errors in judgment have been made, that certainly may be the case. In announcing the surge strategy, Bush acknowledged his mistakes. And some day, one real smart person, armed with the benefit of hindsight, will write a book on how to fight a perfect global war on terror while preserving a free and civil society and vibrant economy that continues to be the envy of most of the world. I just get a bit heavy hearted when I read here that what history will no doubt show were honest mistakes in judgment, partisans now regard as intentional acts of deceit or gross incompetence. During their time, the same was said of Truman and Eisenhower and history has judged them both kindly. I trust the same verdict awaits George W. Bush.

lfrank and Bryan,

I stand by what Evan Sayet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c) says in that video. Btw, the Q&A at the end is good too.

And lfrank, I further stand behind the ideas that Liberals don't stand for anything. They say they do, but they really don't. I noticed that the first example you used is "equality". That's perfect. It's perfect because the equalitry that liberals talk about involves elevating what is bad and tearing down what is good so things meet in the middle and there is nothing to fight over. And when I talk about Liberals, I'm really referring to what Evan calls "Modern Liberals". This is the strain that so exposed itself in the 60's. I'm not talking about the liberals further back in time who were "for" things nor the single issue liberals – true environmentalists for example. It used to be that we all sort of knew where we were going and, even though we disagreed, we believed in the same things. This "equality" that Modern Libs espouse has been a disaster for the world. On almost every issue, the Modern Libs are on the wrong side and they make things up so the country looks bad. How does it help anyone to say that the US is bad? Or to ignore that Militant Islam exists? Or to fight reform in the schools? Or to fight increasing the supply of oil when it is clear we need more? Or to foster such anti-American feelings around the world? These Modern Liberals are grotesque.

As Evan points out, however, they are not evil or stupid. (Btw, Evan used to be a writer for Bill Maher.) So why are Modern Liberals wrong about everything? Evan points out that they have seen every system of civilization as being a failure. No system, in their eyes, has gotten rid of war, poverty, etc. Their solution is to remove the ability to fight. They want to take away religion. They want to get rid of countries (but a UN would be good.) They want to get rid of everything where people can disagree so there is nothing left to kill or die for. They are sincere in their beliefs (at the surface). They think they are doing the world a service.

All of this is a utopian vision, but the only way to get there is to remove all thought and reason so everything has to be "equal". No valedictorians. Criminals are really victims. Tax the rich. (Heck, everyone is a victim in one form or another to these people.) So, in the Modern Liberal mind, it's not only not bad to tear down our foundations that keep our society in order, to them, it's imperative to tear things down. They weren't called a "counter culture" for nothing!!!

So the rest of us that have been watching this have been polite because we could never understand why Modern Liberals would want to tear down our culture. Evan's theory is kind of the Unified Theory of Liberalism. Now it's crystal clear: we're dealing with people who really don't like anything because they feel guilty about their role in the world. It's why the ALF people are trying to bomb researchers in California: it's okay to sacrifice a few scientists to get them to stop experimenting on animals. See, to this group, the whole human race makes the world unbalanced - unequal. As long as things are unequal, we'll be fighting. And their utopian vision has to get rid of fighting.

As the US has become more powerful, this inequality drives them nuts. They won't admit it, but the US is pulling further and further ahead of Europe economically. The old head of the EU's climate commission admitted that Kyoto was about "leveling the playing field". (Search in Google for these words: leveling the playing field kyoto Wallstrom) That's what the Global Warming hysteria is about and why the liberals ignore the science that shows they are wrong. GW isn't about saving the world for habitation, it's about tearing things down so the utopian vision of equality can be reached. The problem is they want to tear down the foundations of civilization.

Anything that inconveniently gets in the way has to be removed. So Bush has to go. Rove has to go. They can't make Militant Islam go away so they just say it doesn't exist! To the Modern Liberal, Rove is symbol of this inequality. And this is why Freedom of Speech is under attack. Modern Liberals hate Fox. They hate Limbaugh. Just as we Chavez shutting down the TV and radio stations, the Democrats want to do the same here (read about the "Fairness Doctrine" and who they Liberals want it to apply to.) This is why hate crimes are so popular with liberals. I used to say, "well, maybe they are a good idea." Now I understand that they are designed to stop speech. Remember how Liberals think criminals are really victims? And how they are almost always on the side of the criminal? Then why would they be for "hate crimes"? Is it about being tough on crime? No. It's about being able to use these laws so as to stop people from expressing their opinions.

Then take the Liberal's ideas about "talking" with our enemies. "Peace, not war, right?" At every step of the way, they want us to lose. Heck, they can't use their own ideas on conservatives! Why don't the liberals just wage peace with conservatives???? How can they be trusted to deal with Militant Islam when their ideas are clearly useless and wrong.

So the bottom line is Evan Sayet is right and just about everything that the Modern Liberals say they are for is wrong. You see I didn't say they "are for" anything. They say they are but they aren't because of their utopian vision of equality. The problem for Liberals is if they say they are for something, then that means something else has to lose - and that is against their utopian vision. So that’s why they just complain and don't really have any ideas. It's a strange sickness.

Polls like this suggest history will not look well on Karl Rove...

http://www.buzzdash.com/?page=buzzbite&BB_id=34023

But then again, who knows what a century of hindsight might provide.

I'll show you politics in America,
"I think the puppet on the right has my beliefs"
"No I think the puppet on the left has my beliefs"
Hey! Why is one person holding both puppets?
Shut up and go back to sleep America, enjoy your football, reality shows, and beer. Here's some American Idol so you can shut up and get back to the flock.

Bill Hicks (comedian) 1994

Clinton or Bush, we live in a plutocracy where the rich (through lobbying) control our government.

"A government should be have more fear of its people, instead of the people fearing their own government"
(V is for Vendetta)

The overwhelming issue for this country is the massive class divisions that mark our country and the disparity in the world at large. The sooner we acknowledge this and lead in the direction of dealing with this inequality the sooner we can more effectively deal with the War on Terror created by this Machiavelli for the rich.

I wouldn't get too excited- my gut tells me he is being cut loose to join someone else's campaign.

Anyone that wants to understand the tactics this team is using should google Leo Strauss, a proto-nazi philosopher who was Paul Wolfowitz's mentor...

As a lifelong Dem, I gotta say some of these comments embarrass me and I feel ashamed to be associated with such vile and childish talk.

Okay. You don't like him. Fine. Move on.

Calling Karl Rove a Nazi and some of the other childish and hateful rhetoric I've read hurt me. Using the comments of folks like Ann Coulter as an excuse is no excuse. Show some intelligence and backbone and rise above the slop that is considered political criticism.

It is the effluence that is exhibited here and other places that, more and more, day by day, push me away from the Dems . . . but I don't know where to go.

Al at 1:47am: Dude, seriously, you should get some restfull sleep. Your incomprehensible nightmares are coming out on your keyboard.

The most frightening part of what you wrote is that you probably really believe it.

Al,

Every argument you make and every argument Evan makes are simply audacious straw men. You in no way attempt to actually understand what liberals really want, instead injecting your cartoon caricature of what you and Ann Coulter-in-a-Suit think/ wish it was that liberals stand for.

I'll take just one example: equality. In your mind, liberals only want to "tear people down" to build their "Utopia." You are either blind or oblivious to the fact that the goal is to build more people up. If that means that those with the very very most (such as myself and others in my position) who gain the very very most from society/ government's largess have to pay more, well that is well in line with the goal of equality. Furthermore, it works.

In 1993 when the Democrats passed their tax increase without the vote of ONE Republican, people such as yourself set up all the same straw men you have, and used all the same fatuous arguments. "The rich will stop producing, the rich will flee to Bermuda, the economy will crash, it won't help the poor anyway..." Well, they were wrong. Period. After a brief blip on the radar that did cause Democrats electoral harm, the economy exploded in the largest peacetime expansion in American history. More people became millionaires and more people were eliminated from the poverty rolls than ever before.

But you're right, "liberals" have never been right about anything, ever.

As for Mr. Rove, MarcH's post says it all.

How can Rove be considered a grand success if the GOP is relegated to the wilderness for the next 8-15 years? He won 3 elections in a row, that's pretty good. But the long term harm for the Party (not to mention the country!) will likely outweigh the fun you guys got to have for 5 years after 9/11. As another poster said, we wanted John Kennedy, but Karl Rove gave us Joe McCarthy.

Posted by: John D | August 13, 2007 11:18 AM

"Do you even know who any of the left wing haters I named? First of all, Stuart Smalley is actually Al Franken."

-- "Stuart Smalley is a fictional character invented and performed by actor, comedian, author, and political activist Al Franken." source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Smalley

Got any links to the "hatred" that Stuart Smalley has said? How about some links to Al Franken "spewing hatred"? Standing up to Bill O'Reilly's lies is not "hatred".

"Randi Rhodes of Air America 'has spoken of a desire for Bush to be assassinated.'"

-- Again: do you have ANY LINKS to PROOF that she has said this? Remember, a journalist backs up his claims WITH PROOF.

"Rosie is Rose O'Donnell, she was on the TV show "The View"

-- And again: provide proof of the "hatred" that she has said, as you allege.

"Danny Glover is an actor who goes to Venezuala to speak disparingly of this country and its president."

-- "speaking disparingly" is the same as "hatred" in your mind? You need an editor to throw a dictionary at you demanding that you read AND COMPREHEND it.

"Media Matters, that is a left wing website run by Clintonite John Podesta and funded by George Soross, hardly a credible outlet."

-- They're very credible, whether you're willing to accept that or not. They have plenty of TRANSCRIPTS of shows of people like Bill O'Reilly WITH ACTUAL QUOTATIONS of the 'hatred" that he spews. You can't avoid facts or reality John D, even when you don't like the source.

"that comment you folks keep putting forth from O'Reilly is taken out of context"

-- Really, How so? Please post a link to the COMPLETE QUOTE then so that we can read it "in context". Remember, we require links to web sites that AREN'T right wing websites or blogs. You know, real "credible" sources.

Democratic hate-mongerers?? That's rich. Republicans are never vitriolic?? I think a couple of people named Clinton may disagree with that sentiment. Oh yeah, and black/poor people in New Orleans and women who want to control their own wombs.