Kerry: Bush 'irresponsible, ignorant' on Iraq, Vietnam

Kerry's talking about "our brave soldiers,"
is strikingly apart from what he said about American soldiers in 1971: "There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed..."

While we're all pondering our military history, maybe we should consider this:

www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com

Iraq is the wrong stinkin' country, period. And those who truly are responsible for 9/11, we've let them get away with it scot-free.

I really don't think there is a historical example disgraceful and ignominious enough to capture this state of affairs. Certainly not in American history.

Two things:

1) Who cares what John F'n Kerry says?

2) He is 100% correct. If Bush wasn't lost in a drug haze during the Vietnam war he would never make those comments. What a fool.

Chickenhawks should NOT primp around, acting like tough guys. They are nothing but cowards.

"We want democracy in Iraq, but Iraqis must want it as much as we do. Our brave soldiers can’t bring democracy to Iraq if Iraq’s leaders are unable or unwilling themselves to make the compromises that democracy requires. No American soldier should be sacrificed because Iraqi politicians refuse to resolve their sectarian and political differences."

This paragraph is singularly the most important part he's said worth repeating. The US has lead Iraqis to democracy. The problem is there are enough of them who don't care, or don't want it. Too many Shiites & Sunnis are more concerned about overtaking the other by any means necessary. It's not about democracy, or terrorist oraginzations trying to set-up shop in Iraq. It's about fundamentalism trying to take over in a country that has been distablized, ironically, by the US invasion.

It's sure a lot better being the HAWK than the CHICKEN! Some people might want to look up the meaning of chickenhawk
because they'll find it's basically a hawk that attacks chickens. Doesn't say whether the chickens have a "D" behind their names, but the suspicion is there.

And here just a few weeks ago on C-SPAN a caller asks John F-in Kerry about the mass murders and boat people after we left Vietnam.

The traitorous Senator told the caller, that despite reports, the slaughterings in Vietnam "weren't that bad," and "I personally know some people who had to go to the re-education camps and they came out of them OK."

John Kerry, always first to shovel hate and disdain at our troops, but always willing to excuse the behavior of despotic regimes.

I'm sure in John Kerry's world, like that of most of the Loony Left, what happened on 9/11 probably "wasn't too bad."

The title's a little bit wordy... coulda done without the "on Iraq, Vietnam" part.

Kerry: "Bush 'irresponsible, ignorant' on Iraq, Vietnam"

Kerry finally gets it right !

Release your Form 180 to the public... then you can talk about Vietnam.

John Kerry invoked Viet Nam every opportunity he had. That was all he ever said. That's all he could say.
Even Durbin knew reeducation centers were death camps, even though he said our men were acting like those communist killers.

Does Kerry sometimes say ridculous embarassing things? Absolutely. Is what he is saying here ridculous? No.

Release your Form 180 to the public... then you can talk about Vietnam.

Posted by: johnny7 | August 22, 2007 3:50 PM

Hey toughguy, we're still waiting to see the same thing from your Republican Prez Chimpy and Veep Little Dick...oh that's right, they hid from Nam.

Since John D enjoys when politicians say absurd things, see this Daily Show report from Iraq, all triggered by this quote: "It's [a Bagdad market he visited] like an Indiana market in the summertime!," says Republican Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/

Sometimes the truth needs a touch of comedy to be heard in full. Btw, reporter Riggle is Marine Reserve who has served in three war zones.

Bush ought to avoid the subject of Viet Nam, seeing as how he so artfully eluded having to go there when he had a chance to show what he was made of. Instead, he chose the safety of the Texas Air National Guard.

I'm John F Kerry and I know everything absolutely everything but, don't call me a leftist elitist I bought a hunting license in the last losing campaign.
Kerry is a traitor who served in Vietnam and Dickie Durbin compares our soldiers to soviets in their gulag, Nazis and Pol Pot what abunch of demeaning leftists.
They are all Dems invested in defeat they know that heir kook koolaid drinker base is fired up mad and won't take it anymore like tax cheat George Soros who doesn't have mnay choices for domiciles and residences. But, now the surge is working oh damn what do we do now? Jerry White, Springfield, IL

To John D and Johnny -

Kerry did sign the form 180 - the result was that it gave 3 or 4 newspapers all his records. They found that Kerry had every single non-medical page except one on his web site for over a year in 2004. Don't get too excited that he left out a page - he obviously didn't have it - it recommended him for accelerated promotion and was a cover sheet to his very last fitness report in Vietnam.

In 2004, I looked at everything on the website - the fitness reports scanned the entire interval and were all positive. There was also one page informing Kerry that he had received the higher clearance needed for the Brooklyn job. Do you suppose that part of getting that was the statement of his recent supervisors that he was of good character - these were SBVT. So, did they lie in getting someone higher clearance or did they lie - with no proof - 35 years later?

Did you know that Senator Warner in June 2006, who was Secretary of the Navy in the late 60s and 70s in a debate with Senator Kerry on the Senate floor said that he reviewed the Silver Star paperwork himself and that Kerry deserved it. This is in the Senate record.

As to the CSPAN call, you completely mischaracterized his response. He answered the questions refutely them for they were lies - and did so very politely.

Pol Pot came to power because we destabalized Cambodia by intensive bombing. That, more than anything else is what gave rise to Pol Pot a few years after we left. The current tribunals in Cambodia are using a design that Kerry negotiated between the Cambodians and the UN.

The fact is that Bush has led the country into a nightmare in Iraq. Just as many people died in Vietnam while politicians tried to save face, Bush is stubornly refusing to change policies.

The facts are Kerry was a hero in Vietnam and deserved the praise the Senators gave him in 1971. He would have been a far better President than President Bush.

Wrong jerseymom!!!
Kerry never did release all his med records,espicially the ones that showed his band-aid wounds to get his phony Purple hearts!
3-1/2 months in Nam and 3 purple hearts,without any major wounds or without a hospital stay...?
It's not too hard to figure out that Kerry is a disgrace to our "real soldiers."
Hey,no wonder JohnE.loves him!
Paulo

Kerry's talking about "our brave soldiers,"
is strikingly apart from what he said about American soldiers in 1971:

Posted by: Shaka | August 22, 2007 2:18 PM

Shaka. have you ever heard of William Calley?

Do any of you people realize we have been in Iraq for four and a half years. We should be embarassed to have been so badly used by a bunch of irregulars.
Our fawning Generals have demonstrated a lack courage and imagination and went along with bad tactics demanded by the Commander in Chief and his DOD. Why would anyone believe that the next four years will be an improvement on the last four. Viet Nam had 58000 dead Americans after ten years. That must be the Bush goal.

Thank you jerseymom, you are entirely correct! All of Senator Kerry's military records have been released and both the Boston Globe and the Washington Post reported on their release and all the findings.
I also remember that late night debate between Senator Kerry and Republican Senator Warner. It was a wonderful exchange of ideas from two men who respected each others opinions. I have this recorded on CD and it is verification of what you said took place between both senators.
I also watched Senator Kerry on C-Span's, Washington Journal the morning that Johnny D claims Senator Kerry made the statements he posted and again, jerseymom I have to agree with you, Senator Kerry was very polite,but refuted those accusations and also explained the truth. Interestingly, there is another "edited" and misleading version of the events of that morning making the rounds for a second time on Rush Limbaugh. I suspect that this is where Johnny D has obtained his quoted information.
Finally, Senator Kerry's comments today were correct. Johnny D, Johnny and Paulo need to face the fact that Senator Kerry has been right all along about the Iraq War and its mismanagement and they would be wise to consider that this war is not making us more secure, but weaker.

Hmmm,

Now let's see if I've got this straight...

If Bush had been president instead of Nixon, we'd still be in Vietnam, right?

And US deaths would be a million or so by now?

And Vietnamese casualties would be some multiple of the estimated 2 million at the time we pulled out?

And Dow would be bigger than Exxon for having poisoned that many more millions of people - aw heck who can count these yellow vermin - Dow would be fabulously rich for having poisoned multiple generations of Vietnamese?

And we could have been listening and watching these degenerate morons on CNN and Fox News keeping us up to date on our "progress" in the war on the yellow peril, uh, I mean communism, uh, I mean terrorism?

Damn! The opportunity of the ages and we blew it!

"Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?"

To Paulo and John D.

Most, if not all, of your comments, target democrats, loony lefties etc. Your words are generally supported by selected and misleading statements. Why don't you guys grow up (mentally) and contribute something positive to the exchange of ideas besides trying to defend the indefensible.
Now think about this - look at Iraq and Vietnam and "follow the money" for it will lead you to the real reason that nearly 63,000 american souls have been sacrificed. That is the most sickening part of both of these so-called wars. I was lucky to make it home in one piece, others weren't and unfortunately some brave troops that are now in Iraq and Afghanistan won't be as lucky. Kerry pointed out the sickness that affected some of the civilian-soldiers in Nam. To criticize someone who was telling the truth is also a sickness. So the next time that your fingers hit the keyboard Paulo and John D., engage your brain first and try to be part of the solution, NOT an ongoing part of the problem.

espicially the ones that showed his band-aid wounds to get his phony Purple hearts!
3-1/2 months in Nam and 3 purple hearts,without any major wounds or without a hospital stay...?

Posted by: Paulo | August 22, 2007 8:17 PM

So the US military just hands out medals??? Is there a veteran who can confirm Paulo's claim? I just assumed that medals were only handed out to those who deserved them. Should we look at all veterans with medals suspiciously?

From scrappleface.com:

"Kerry Sues Bush Over Use of Vietnam Imagery

by Scott Ott

(2007-08-23) — Former presidential rival Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, today filed suit against President George Bush over remarks to the Veterans of Foreign War (VFW) yesterday in which the president likened the consequences of an early pullout from Iraq to the blood-drenched aftermath of the U.S. retreat from Vietnam in the 1970s.

The lawsuit claims that Sen. Kerry, a professional Vietnam veteran, “holds exclusive rights among modern politicians to the use of Vietnam imagery, metaphor and analogy to present-day circumstances.” Essentially, the suit argues that President Bush infringed on Mr. Kerry’s copyright by even mentioning Vietnam in a political context.

In the VFW speech, the president cast a vision for a free Iraq, noting that during World War II few believed that Japan could ever become a free, democratic nation and a U.S. ally. During the Korean war, few dreamed that South Korea could become the economic engine of today, as well as a stalwart friend of the United States."

Bruce,
You know that the article you copy and pasted is a joke right? And not a very good one at that.

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John Kerry, always first to shovel hate and disdain at our troops, but always willing to excuse the behavior of despotic regimes.

Posted by: John D | August 22, 2007 3:15 PM
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Please quote from Kerry's words listed above that "show hate and disdain at our troops"

You just gotta love when "lefties" throw out the perpetual comments about Bush and Cheney avoiding Vietnam, when their hero, Bill Clinton did the same thing.

Oh, I forgot, Clinton is no longer in office. The comparison is irrevalent.

You just gotta love when "lefties" throw out the perpetual comments about Bush and Cheney avoiding Vietnam, when their hero, Bill Clinton did the same thing.

Oh, I forgot, Clinton is no longer in office. The comparison is irrevalent.
Posted by: Bone | August 23, 2007 1:38 PM

I suppose it could be that, or maybe just maybe its because President Clinton didn't lead the nation into any hopeless quagmires, or create insane analogies based on false historical readings to justify their imperial wars, such as lead chickenhawks Cheney and Bush.

Are Republicans really so dense that they can't see the difference between those who advocate imperial war and avoided service in Vietnam (chickenhawks) and those who avoided service in Vietnam yet DON'T advocate endless warmaking such as Mr. Clinton?

"Are Republicans really so dense that they can't see the difference between those who advocate imperial war and avoided service in Vietnam (chickenhawks) and those who avoided service in Vietnam yet DON'T advocate endless warmaking such as Mr. Clinton?

Posted by: Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is | August 23, 2007 2:11 PM "

Um, you mean like blowing up half of Serbia without a mandate from the UN? Would that be an illegal war too?