Sen. Craig: Pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct charge

Senator Craig, born in Idaho, reared in Minnesota.

Dear John D,

Please explain what Republicans mean when they say "family values." I just don't understand. Senator Vitter was a big proponent of family values, yet he was frequenting prostitutes. I won't even mention Ted Haggard and Mark Foley (okay, I will.) Now we have Senator Craig propositioning people for gay sex in bathrooms...

Just what is "Republican Family Values?" We get that the GOP hates gay people (even though Ken Mehlman, one of the leaders of the GOP, is as gay as they come (no pun intended.)) What we don't understand is why. Do you have to have a certain amount of self loathing to be a Republican? Is that a prerequisite?

And what was up with all that Whitewater/Monica Lewinski ruckus from the nineties? Was the GOP mad at Clinton because he had sex with someone other than his wife or were they mad that he didn’t go to a public restroom and have sex with another man? Is it okay to cheat on your wife if you pay for it or if you have it with a male? Or, more likely, was all that outrage aimed at Clinton as phony as the rhetoric you and Bruce and the other Cool Aid drinkers spout on this website daily?

I just thought I’d ask.

Thanks,

nisleib

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GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here we go again. And here is where Mark and the rest of Leftist Loons are wrong:

"Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho, a conservative three-termer who has voted against gay marriage and opposes special protections for gay and lesbian crime victims, pleaded guilty this summer to misdemeanor charges stemming from complaints of lewd conduct in a men's room."

Let's say Sen. Craig is gay. Does that mean he has to be in favor of gay marriage? There are lots of gays not in favor gay marriage. And does it mean he should be in favor of laws that give someone "special protections" in crime cases too? There are lots of gays who are not in favor.

Just like there are lots of women who were against the ERA. Blacks who are against affirmative action and quotas.

Goes back to my argument that those on the Left are the true racists. If a minority doesn't adhere to the beliefs of the liberal agenda, then they are hypocrites or worse. Sorry, doesn't work that way. And the true hypocrites and racists and haters are those on the Left who believe anyone who doesn't walk the way they want that person to walk is some sort of traitor or Uncle Tom.

Bullfeathers!

Is it something in the genes of conservatives?

The way they hide any impure desires is by taking-up a crusade agianst it to such an extreme, they crack?

Can anyone confirm if Fox News put a R or a D next to Sen. Craig's name? During the Foley scandal twice in as many days Fox News reported Foley was a Democrat. Of course to its zombie, kool aid drinking followers Fox News is more objective and truthier than MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, and the New York Times.

PS Love the hypocrisy!! You Family Value Repukelicans are the gift that keeps on giving. Money quote is Sen. Craig's claim that he uses a "wide stance" on the toilet!

John D.,

Why can't the Republican Party elect a black person to Congress?

I heard he gave the best reach around
on the hill
now we know it's true.

W's man loves the Co-K!
he loves it!

funny stuff !
i can't stop laughing here
at the Idaho dirt farmer.

have a good day fellas
good luck

I wonder if he'll be on the next cover
A-s Masters?

Blacks who are against affirmative action can be identified by their skin color. Women who are against ERA can be identified by their sex.

Mr. Craig is a hypocrite. He disavows his sexuality and yet espouses so-called family values. I personally don't care if he is gay or not, but I am sure his Republican voter base does. You can't have it both ways Mr. Craig (literally and figuratively speaking).

I will never tap my toes in a bathroom again. Who knew that was a gay signal. I am going to throw out my Liza Minelli records now.

Jethro and other lefties.

Are you saying that Gays don't have family values, or are against family values?

Please explain.

I thought you guys were the ones who want a union between gays to be looked at in the same light as marraige?

Now you're saying gays don't fit in with family values??

Oh yeah, I forgot....you guys use gay and minority rights as pawns in your political game. You don't hesitate to throw them under the bus when political points are to be scored.

Former NJ Gov. McGreevey was for alternatives to "gay marraige" yet came out as a "gay American" Former Pres. Bill Clinton signed the "defense of marraige" act, yet corrupted his own marraige. Barney Frank is in un believable example of getting a pass due to his sexual orientation and political affiliation.

Why are only gay or spouse cheating Republicans supposedly hypocrites?

Are Dems not for Family Values?

John D - why won't you answer my question? Afraid? I know you love to blame "loons" for the sins of the GOP but it doesn't really work. You call the "leftist" rascists and hypocrits because those are the faults of the modern GOP. It is the exact same thing Bush did against Kerry. Question his patriotism and his war record before he gets a chance to question yours. By doing so you immunize your party from the charge.

It doesn't work. Unless the people you are trying to coerce are stupid (like the GOP base) they won't fall for it.

So again, I'll ask you the question - What does "family values" mean to the GOP?

My question is, once he's done paying his fine and whatever time might be given him (if any), is Vitter going to be living with this for the rest of his life? Seems that the Republicans would say "of course not, unless he was a Democrat -- in which case, of COURSE HE WILL!" and the opinion of the Dems would be the inverse.

I'm just askin'.

Having read the police reports, I think that Craig should have hired a lawyer, gone to trial and beat this phony rap. Personally, I'd have loved to be the lawyer who got to cross-examine that cop.

I think I'll move to Minneapolis. It's nice to know their crime rate is so low that their police officers can spend their time trolling men's rooms.

JD,

This guy is married to a woman and has children. He is having sex with men in public bathrooms. How do you not see that cheating on your wife with men is lacking family values?

There seems to be a lot of indiscretions floating around the republicans this year. I believe since the President Clinton/Monica Lewinski scandal, they have ALL been Republican. How conservative can you get?!?!

John D.,

Why can't the Republican Party elect a black person to Congress?

Posted by: Doug Zook | August 28, 2007 11:06 AM

Uh, Doug, I'm on your side of most issues but let me get this in before John D does.

I don't know how many African American GOPer's are in congress right now, but J.C. Watts and Alan Keyes were both republican congressman.

I have some respect for Watt's.

Keyes, of course, showed himself to just be NUT-BAG when he was recruited to run against Obama.

"There are lots of gays not in favor gay marriage."

Posted by: John D | August 28, 2007 10:49 AM

Evidence please, Johnny? Or were you just gonna throw that out there and hope no one noticed?

The only argument I hear against gay marriage from gays is that marriage is a lousy institution that gays need not aspire to. That is more of a denigration of marriage in general than a support for a two-tiered system of relationships.

"How do you not see that cheating on your wife with men is lacking family values?"

OK, how is this different than Dem's who are gay or cheat? Do they lack family values. Are they against family values?

Why is one a hypocrite and the other not one?

Distrust and Verify answered his own question.

Nice job!

Steve,

There aren't any black members of Congress. Alan Keyes was never in Congress. As of this post there are no black Republican candidates for Congress. That's 435 House candidates, 33 Senate candidates for a total of 468 candidates. J.C. Watts has been out of Congress for several years. Prior to that he was the sole black Republican member of Congress for years.

Then you've got a phony knucklehead like John D. who TRIES to assert that Democrats are the rascists.

The Republican Party talks the talk but never walks the walk.

Another "family values" Republican bites the dust.......and another one goes.......another one goes........another "family values" Repub bites the dust.......hey........gonna get you too......another "family values" Repub bites the dust.

I love seeing the stupid Wingnuts scampering about like the cockroaches they are trying to defend this sad REPUBLICAN hypocrite while spouting more bullshit family value plattitudes.

CLENIS! CLENIS CLENIS!

Doesn't work anymore. You dead-enders are a treat to watch as your party implodes and goes the way of the Whigs. B'bye...

JD,
When a candidate who proclaims he/she is a defender and model of Family Values running against an opponent/Party who is for decadence and pornography is arrested while trolling for sex in public restrooms they are a HYPOCRITE.

This proves once again that "conservatives" are chickens--t homosexual hypocrites. They are weak and can't get any so they get off by waging criminal wars (killing able bodied men), proposing (what should be considered) criminal legislation, and calling every one else "loony" (because every one else can get some with out getting diirrrty or paying). Pack up another rock and spread those cheeks for bubba you crackhead conservatives!

JD-

Many Democrats definition of "family" includes same sex couples.

Most Republicans definition does not. It appears by his actions Senator Craig's definition did not.

Senator Craig voted not only against gay marriage and including sexual preference in hate crime laws, he voted against a measure that would have made discrimination in the work place based on sexual preference illegal. That measure failed by one vote.

That's why Craig can probably be labeled a hypocrite. His public and private actions don't appear to match up.

Nisleib, some of us work. You don't. I do.
Family Values implies a traditional value system, respect for family, respect for institutions, etc. Just because you are for or believe in something doesn't mean you will never fail. All of us fail every now and then, whether a believe of family values, a Christian, etc. A difference, though, is in recognizing your failures, seeking HONEST forgiveness for those failures and vowing to try harder.

Correction for you too: Sen. Vitter had sex with a prostitute ONCE. The "journalistic " stories of his daliances in New Orleans with prostitutes have been debunked.
I don't really know of Rep. Foley being at the forefront of family values. But he was not married. So, by him being gay you evidently are implying that gays cannot be for family values? In addition, Foley was a leader in writing legislation to protect children from child predators. Somehow, you Loons on the Left see that cause as a bad thing. Why does the Left love child predators and rapists? Why does the Left seek to protect and enable them whenever it can?

Oh and Foley NEVER had sex with a male page and those he did hit on were 17 and older. I am not excusing his actions, and Foley at least did the right thing and resign. However, Demoncrat Rep. Gerry Studds DID HAVE SEX with a 17-year-old male page and you Left Loons re-elected him and re-elected him and re-elected him and re-elected him and re-elected him.

And, Doug, I know you are trying to brandish your credentials with the Loony Left after a few agreements with me, but I am not a phony and yes, most libs are the true racists because you folks believe libs have to protect and coddle minorities becuase they can't do it for themselves. And you folks believe minorities have to adhere to an political agenda, otherwise they are Uncle Toms and traitors.

While there are no GOP blacks in Congress, they run all the time but cannot win because Dems will vote Dems no matter what. In Maryland we had an incredible talent in Michael Steele narrowly lose that Senate seat last fall.
We do have several Hispanics in the Senate and House. We also have an Indian, Bobby Jindahl in Louisiana, who currently is running for governor of that state and the Democratic party is using rascist advertising and false claims to derail him.

It seems to me every single elected official in this country who is against gay marriage is a self-loathing closet case.

I love all the self-loathing Republican slaves here trying to deny the fact that they allow politicians and others to exploit their ever-apparent stupidity and ignorance to gain power that they then turn around and abuse to curtail even the rights of the slaves who put them in office. Just because you people deny it does not mean that it's not so. Have fun, and keep walking in lock-step to vote for people who stand in total contrivance to what you CLAIM to stand for. Either that, or do your patriotic duty and stay away from the polls until you educate yourselves about what you're voting for. An ignorant vote is worse than not voting.

My bad Doug, I knew Keyes worked for Reagan, but I could of sworn he was in the House of Rep and some point. Must've been thinking of something else.

And, Doug, I know you are trying to brandish your credentials with the Loony Left after a few agreements with me, but I am not a phony and yes, most libs are the true racists because you folks believe libs have to protect and coddle minorities becuase they can't do it for themselves. And you folks believe minorities have to adhere to an political agenda, otherwise they are Uncle Toms and traitors.

Posted by: John D | August 28, 2007 12:53 PM

Little Johnny Freeper,
You say us "folks" believe minorities have to adhere to a political agenda?

You mean like this?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50087332@N00/415501733/

Or maybe this?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50087332@N00/287996876/

And what was up with all that Whitewater/Monica Lewinski ruckus from the nineties? Was the GOP mad at Clinton because he had sex with someone other than his wife or were they mad that he didn’t go to a public restroom and have sex with another man? Is it okay to cheat on your wife if you pay for it or if you have it with a male? Or, more likely, was all that outrage aimed at Clinton as phony as the rhetoric you and Bruce and the other Cool Aid drinkers spout on this website daily?

I just thought I’d ask.

Thanks,

nisleib

Posted by: nisleib | August 28, 2007 10:42 AM

nisleb-
Everytime I bring up St Clinton- I get hammered in this website.
So what part of Mr Clintons "ruckus" were you OK with? The lying, cheating or both?

Craig is no better- and he should be held as accountable as Clinton was-When/if Craig has the opportunity to lie under oath and he does, then he should be impeached. Until then- he is only accountable to his familly and to the voters who will make their decision on election day. So your Clinton analogy doesn't work here.

This guy obviously does not support family values. Not because of his sexuality- but because of his dishonesty to his family and wife- I am sure even from a left wing-everything is ok, point of view you can see the destructiveness of his behaviour.

Nice try making this political though, this is not a republican thing- its a creepy dude thing.

The Republican Party talks the talk but never walks the walk.

Posted by: Doug Zook | August 28, 2007 12:17 PM

you have to be kidding-

Drop the whole racist thing- can you name any black candidate that ran as a republican and then lost because he was black-

Are you as outraged or critical when the supposed liberal, progressive DEM candidates make their every four year field trip to a black gospel church to pander to black voters-promising to be their candidate and then abandoning them when they are in office?
These photo ops are at best condescending at worst racist..

GOP = Gay Old Pederasts

Did you ever think that Craig may have had other reasons to vote the way he did regardless of his personal desires?

NJ Gov. McCreevy was not for gay marraige. Bill Clinton was supposedly "for" women's issues and protection of marraige.

Is Barney Frank for legal prostitution?

Why are they not hypocrites?

Republican "Family Values" Senator Larry Craig has been lying about this since 1982:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RntWGPEjoo&mode=related&search=

JD-

I'd say that those guys are hypocrites in those instances, wouldn't you?

What possible reason could a person who apparently patricipates in homosexual acts have to vote against a law making discrimination against homosexuals in the workplace illlegal?

It seems particularly appropriate that a big hit of the group QUEEN was "Another one bites the dust." Hey - gonna get you, too. ... and another one's down and another one's down ...

Yippee - the self-rightous, hypocrites (of all political pursuasions) are falling like flies. Don't get 'excited' you closet cases. Not like in a 'flies' in aman's pants.

FAMILY VLAUES FAMILY VALUES FAMILY VALUES FAMILY VALUES FAMILY VALUES FAMILY VALUES

GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Raving Loon | August 28, 2007 10:44 AM

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Proof that my contention it's the Left who are the true racists and gay haters:

GOP = Gay Old Pederasts

Posted by: If you can't take the heat in the closet.... | August 28, 2007 1:51 PM

Thanks for your continued stupidity and basic life as a loser, John E.

Rumors flying that Craig is in the running as the new GOP Chairman of the "Oral Majority". Craig will join a support group attended by Mark Foley and moderated by Bush's spiritual advisor, Ted Haggart.

Dear heartburn,

You want to know what rascist is? Try the southern strategy. The GOP is openly rascist, has been for a very long time. They apologized for it a while back, but then turned around and ran rascist adds against Harold Ford.

You can't win this arguement. The GOP has used the southern strategy before and it will do it again. You know why? Because so many of their members are rascist and it works.

heartburn,

"Drop the whole racist thing- can you name any black candidate that ran as a republican and then lost because he was black-"

No. But thanks for helping me to make my point. Blacks can't win, when they're never nominated in the first place - now can they?

We walk the walk. There are about fifty black House members and Barack in the Senate.

It's unions (the vast majority of which are Democrats) that organize minorities.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

The two most disturbing aspects of the Larry Craig story are:

1) Leaving the stall without flushing.

2) Leaving the restroom without washing his hands.

Larry Craig is a very dirty, dirty boy

Having read the police reports, I think that Craig should have hired a lawyer, gone to trial and beat this phony rap. Personally, I'd have loved to be the lawyer who got to cross-examine that cop.

I think I'll move to Minneapolis. It's nice to know their crime rate is so low that their police officers can spend their time trolling men's rooms.

Posted by: jlp | August 28, 2007 11:54 AM

JLP: Craig's got his issues, but he certainly was smart enough to realize that a trial over how to interpret his playing footsie in an airport bathroom could not possibly turn out well for him. Stick to ditch digging, JLP, for a PR strategist you're not.

Minneapolis actually is a nice place, but not nice enough to dispense with a "vice squad." I personally think that things like prostitution and drug use should be legal, but what would "law and order" knuckledraggers have to complain about if society decided that victimless crimes were not crimes?

I can't believe what I'm reading.

These are the facts.

Larry Craig has denied being gay.

He has denied having sex in bathrooms in the past.

He has voted against gay marriage.

He voted for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, saying he was a "nasty boy."

Moreoever, he is in a party that has built support for their moral values and opposition to gay rights isues, including marriage and hate crimes legislation.

Ealier this month, Craig plead guilty to a lesser charge associated with a claim he was trolling for sex in a bathroom.

Based on Craigs ENTIRE background, and based on the recent legislative record of the GOP, there is no doubt a bit of hypocrisy here.

But what makes it worse is that defenders of the GOP are actually trying to defend Craig's actions IN SPITE of the fact that, based upon the his own and the parties own history, such a thing would in theory spark massive protests from the party.

This has nothing to do with "racism." But if you really want to know, the GOP has not courted many African Americans not only because of its positions, but because of the fact that has embraced every single Dixiecrat since the passing of the Civil Rights Act.

Michael Steele lost because of his views, not because the left is "racist." Trust me, if the Dems were an overall "racist" party, the majority of African Americans would not vote for them.

Regardless, this is nothing more than a bait-and-switch tactic designed to find cover for another action by another hypocrit.

You can't defend it based upon your own principles.

Conservatism is the ideology of the past—a past we don’t want to return to. Liberals need to embrace the culture war, because we’re winning. The story of American history is that of conservative ideas and prejudices falling away as our society grows more progressive and thus more true to our nation’s founding ideals. Conservatives supported slavery, conservatives opposed women’s suffrage, conservatives supported Jim Crow, conservatives opposed the 40-hour work week and the abolishment of child labor, and conservatives supported McCarthyism. In short, all the major advancements of freedom and justice in our history were pushed by liberals and opposed by conservatives, no matter the party they inhabited at the time.

Conservatism is Bill Bennett lecturing you about self-denial, then rushing off to feed his slot habit at the casino. It’s James Dobson telling you that children need regular beatings to stay in line. It’s a superannuated nun rapping you on the knuckles so you won’t think about your dirty parts. It’s Jerry Falwell watching “Teletubbies” frame by frame to see if Tinky Winky is trying to turn him gay. Conservatism is everyone you never wanted to grow up to be

PAUL WALDMAN
Senior Fellow at Media Matters

BILL CLINTON BILL CLINTON BILL CLINTON BILL CLINTON

Posted by: Rob S | August 28, 2007 2:14 PM

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Thanks for being honest Tony.

Also, is descrimination against gays in the workplace legal in Idaho?

...or was their more to the bill causing him to vote against it?

Right, let's just keep calling each other racists. That's a real constructive dialogue.

Knock it off, will ya!

Geez!!

walk the walk- thats funny- you should have said talk the talk...
like Hillary channeling a southern baptist minister in her speech in Selma this year?

Come out of the closet Mr. D!!! It must be really hard to live life the way you do.

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Posted by: John E | August 28, 2007 2:37 PM

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Your turn!

Craig a member of the NRA.
Was he shooting at someone or what?
The senator's actions in private don't concern me. If given the option I would prefer he resign only if he were to be replaced by another conservative Republican. Too much is at stake otherwise. One lost vote means too much for our future.

jlp thinks its was a waste of a police officer's time to work on this stakeout. As a father, I would like to be able to take my child into a public washroom in a municipal airport without fear of walking in on an lewd or indecent act. That's a pretty reasonable expectation. I am fine with this use of my tax dollars, as opposed to say it being spent on a pre-emptive war that cost America what, $500 billion, and was based on incorrect intelligence. Plus if we can't stop the freaks at the airports, how are we going to stop the terrorists?

Paul Waldman of Media Matters is a Hil website how dumb you people are who do not know that Hil is sponsoring these Dem think tanks with John Podesta and all her cronies Carville, Begala etc. She is so transparent what you get isn't what you think you'll get with this woman--frankly, she's frightening. Hil will take America to Hugo Chavez if you dumb libs let her. She is Eva Peron in fact.
Vote her out not in in 08 8 years of the Clintons is enough! Jerry White, Springfield, IL

I'm surprised that lefties don't think the relationship they had in the bathroom stall should be recognized as marraige.

Now the Senator (with his pants down) knows what is like to be stalked by undercover police who sit in smelly, dirty public restrooms all day and night waiting to arrest unsuspecting gay men.