Cheney joins the Petraeus defense team

From Real Time with Bill Maher

Maher: Isn’t a dirty trick on the American people when you send a military man out there to basically do a political sell-job?”

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel: It’s not only a dirty trick, but it’s dishonest, it’s hypocritical, it’s dangerous and irresponsible. The fact is this is not Petraeus’ policy, it’s the Bush’s policy. The military is — certainly very clear in the Constitution — is subservient to the elected public officials of this country.. but to put our military in a position that this administration has put them in is just wrong, and it’s dangerous.”

Of course Bush and Cheney are hiding behind the military, they spent their youth hiding from it, now they hide behind it.

They no longer have a choice: nobody believes a word they say, they have to find somebody to sell this foolish fiasco to the American public. Since nobody believes them and since they have spent so much time, money and PR smearing anybody who disagrees with their war policy as a traitor who hates our troops the obvious next step was to pick a salesman from the military and have them do the selling. They think that surely nobody will go after the good general, if they do they will be branded an anti American troop hater.

The General is probably a good and descent man stuck with a terrible job and the most incompetent, totally worthless boss in the world. He’ll stick up for his boss, he is a good soldier, but I don’t think he likes it. I look forward to reading the book the General will write when he retires.

'All The President's Men' Stole 'Freedom Watch' Trademark

Not only are Cheney and Petraeus lying but the so-called "Freedom Watch" group that has been by commercial airtime time to promote a continuation of the civil war in Iraq have been exposed as a fraud from nonelse than another.....Republican:

MIAMI, Sept. 17 PRNewswire-USNewswire -- Today, Larry Klayman, founder of Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch, and former Republican U.S. Senate candidate from Florida, filed suit in federal court in Miami to enjoin the theft of his "Freedom Watch" trademark and its misuse to promote the ill conceived and poorly implemented Iraq War on behalf of the Bush-Cheney administration. The suit also seeks millions of dollars in damages against former Bush Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, Freedom's Watch President Brad Blakeman, and mega Bush-Cheney money men, who are funding ads promoting the Iraq War.

The name "Freedom Watch" was first announced by NBC Television in its hit political drama series "West Wing" when it created a semi-fictitious character after Larry Klayman, then Chairman of Judicial Watch, the public interest watchdog he founded to investigate and prosecute government corruption. Subsequently, and as the federal court complaint alleges, Klayman used the trade name "Freedom Watch" in commerce as early as November 24, 2004, thus establishing a trademark at that time. Klayman continuously used the mark thereafter, and later registered it with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Last summer, the real Freedom Watch, a public interest group founded by Klayman several years before defendants created their "Freedom's Watch," ran an ad in The Washington Times Weekly which was published and distributed to about 120,000 subscribers nationwide. Klayman's distinctive mark "Freedom Watch" is thus entitled to legal protection.

Several weeks ago, before defendants began running tens of millions of dollars of ads to promote the Iraq War, when "Freedom's Watch" was announced by Fleischer, Klayman warned the defendants not to infringe his mark and to cease and desist. Klayman not only sought to protect his mark, but objected to its use to destroy the real Freedom Watch trademark, as his group, while supportive of killing or capturing Saddam Hussein, views the protracted Iraq civil war as counterproductive to promoting freedom. Thus, the use by the Bush-Cheney administration of the Freedom Watch mark, even notwithstanding the alleged infringement, destroys its purpose, which is to promote freedom, not civil war and chaos.

"The Bush front group Freedom's Watch is a fraud," stated Klayman. These arrogant political lobbyists and rich Bush 'yes men,' who believe they are above the law, are not furthering freedom, but in fact harming it. I, for one, won't allow my mark to be illegally used for political purposes. And, I certainly will not allow these arrogant Washington elite to get away with having stolen the Freedom Watch name, which belongs to me. I would have expected robbery from O.J. Simpson, but not by 'All the President's Men,'" Klayman added.

With friends like DICK, who needs enemies!

Dear Dick "Shotgun" Cheney -

What, your speech didn't include anything about Alan Greenspan's revelation that the War in Iraq is really about its oil - and not about the "spreading of democracy" (or WMDs)?

Greenspan's disclosures, coupled with the Washington Post's summer "Angler" series (which showed that the "Bush" Administration is essentially run by Dick "Shotgun" Cheney and his minions - and not by Chimpy McFlightsuit), and your secret (to this day) "Energy Policy Task Force" makes it clear that the War in Iraq has always really been about the oil - and the profits to be made by Halliburton, et al.

It's too bad that unlike you, Dick - "I had other priorities" (5 deferments) - Chene, our US military families of the war dead and wounded have to pay the price for the Iraq War in their blood. And it is (future) American taxpayers who will have to pay the financial cost in future tax increases(because Congress has been unwilling to raise the money necessary to pay for this war). All Americans are the ones paying the price for your desire to wrest control of Iraq's oil from the Iraqis.

I'm not surprised that Darth Duckhunter "supports" Petraeus's opinion on Iraq, the White House wrote it for him.
Petraeus is a Republican lapdog who wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post supporting George W Bush's 2004 re-election campaign, any General who has any kind of independent thought process about Iraq has already been fired by this pathetic administration:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49283-2004Sep25.html

Gen Petraeus aka Gen Westmoreland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU_oIOAyufM

So Cheney is at it again. He loves defining who is a true patriotic American and who isn't. Of course, anyone who agrees with his neanderthal views of the world are the true patriots. If I remember correctly, al Qaeda and other terrorists groups weren't in Iraq before we invaded. Now, thanks to a screwed up Bush foreign policy, we have created another location for our enemies to fight us and all Cheney can say is we can't run away from this fight. This administration hasn't learned anything from the debacle they created.
Protect America, yes..but do it in a smart, well thought out way, not by a shoot from the hip foreign policy.

You freaks are so clueless, it's quite pathetic. But you folks keep knocking the General and everyone in the military. It'll just help the Republicans in 2008.

So when the swiftboaters lied about John Kerry's war record, that was fine. But when MoveOn tells the truth, suddenly it's a terrible thing to air such dirty laundry in public.

Got it.

Poor Petraeus. He has had the war in Iraq shuffled off to him by the Administration. By reporting progress now, he will be the one to get the blame when we are in the same spot with the same problems next September.
As Colin Powell found, there is no up side to being Bush's "dog robber"
With all of the condemnation of the Moveon ad you would have thought at least one of the complainers would have challenged the information in the ad. Not one has, which indicates it cannot be challenged.

John D

It isn't just the Dems or rational people who hate Bush, it is Republicans too.

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel: It’s not only a dirty trick, but it’s dishonest, it’s hypocritical, it’s dangerous and irresponsible. The fact is this is not Petraeus’ policy, it’s the Bush’s policy. The military is — certainly very clear in the Constitution — is subservient to the elected public officials of this country.. but to put our military in a position that this administration has put them in is just wrong, and it’s dangerous

Oooops! Somebody gonna pay for this one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6998788.stm

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Can't ya just feel the love?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6994823.stm

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War fans; You are actually hearing about this stuff, right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6996942.stm

"The General is probably a good and descent man stuck with a terrible job and the most incompetent, totally worthless boss in the world. He’ll stick up for his boss, he is a good soldier, but I don’t think he likes it. I look forward to reading the book the General will write when he retires.

Posted by: nisleib | September 17, 2007 4:51 PM"

I tend to agree, but this is what happens with three ★ ★ ★ and up. It becomes a political endeavor, therefore I can't sympathize too much with the General.

Ask the Roman generals when you see them.

So when the swiftboaters lied about John Kerry's war record, that was fine. But when MoveOn tells the truth, suddenly it's a terrible thing to air such dirty laundry in public.

Got it.

Posted by: Cheryl | September 17, 2007 5:37 PM

truth! hahahahahah!
Cheryl-

your whine would make sense if you assume that the folks that wrote the move on ad were clairvoyant- they dismissed the generals testimony as dishonest before they heard it..
wait wait..
Maybe the code pink women acting like idiots in the chamber were really witches, and they knew what the General was going to say before he said it.....oooohhh...scarrrrry

"As Colin Powell found, there is no up side to being Bush's "dog robber"

C Perry

Powell, perhaps the worst collateral damage to the reputation in this whole mess.

He has lost more than anyone in the whole affair.

As I saw him climb down repeatedly I kept hoping he would make a strong statement of principle, and resign.

But it was not to be. He played safe, and lost.

He was repeatedly $#!✟ and kept taking it. I have more pride than that. I kept wondering when he would man up and stick it to his tormentors.

"So when the swiftboaters lied about John Kerry's war record, that was fine. But when MoveOn tells the truth, suddenly it's a terrible thing to air such dirty laundry in public.

Got it.

Posted by: Cheryl | September 17, 2007 5:37 PM"

Sound like ya got it.

This has been their tactic for a century. Ever since TR bolted the party.

Colin and Pets song;

Well I went home with TeamBush,
You know the way I always do.
Well how was I to know, yeah,
He was with the dissemblers too?
Yeah!

Now I'm gambling in Baghdad,
You know I took a little risk.
Send lawyers, guns and money,
C'mon Dickie won't you get me out of this? hey!

I'm an innocent three star virgin,
Oh but somehow I got stuck,
Between Iraq and a hard place,
And I'm down on my luck.
You know I'm down on my luck.
Oh I'm down on my luck.

[GWB interlude]
(Whoah, daddy, don't you know?
Daddy, I'm down on my luck.
Please daddy send me some money.

Oh daddy please send me a lawyer,
And if daddy you can't send me a lawyer,
The daddy send me, just send me, just send me,
Send me a effin' gun!)
End of GWB interlude

I'm stranded in Anabar,
I'm a desperate man.
Send lawyers, guns and money,
The Shites have hit the fan.

Send lawyers, guns and money, woo, woo, woo, woo alright!
Alright!

Send lawyers, guns and money, ah-ah,
Send lawyers, guns and money,
You know the Shite has hit the fan!

Thanks to Warren Z.

In his own words
"The terrorists view all the world as a battlefield,'' Cheney said. "We're dealing with extremely selective networks, secretive networks, hiding out in many different countries and plotting murder and chaos in civilized communities.

So we attach Iraq plow 800 Plus Billion dollars and the bad guy is in civilized communities. John D if you think the GOP is going to win big in 08 I have some nice swamp land in FL for sale.

It seems the bush administration is intent on labeling anyone who has ever fought against the United States a terrorist. A simple viewing of the film "Black Hawk Down" is enough to know that "terrorists" did not kill Americans in Mogadishu.

Listening to Cheney these days is more laughable than anything else. His complete inability to tell the truth about anything renders his statements nothing more than wingnut talking points repeated over and over again.

You freaks are so clueless, it's quite pathetic. But you folks keep knocking the General and everyone in the military. It'll just help the Republicans in 2008.

Posted by: John D | September 17, 2007 5:36 PM

Oh sure, Johnny Tantrum. Ari Fleischer didn't even know the name of the injured soldier he used for his dispicable ad.
Like all wingnuts, you want these brave soldiers to risk life and limb and then STFU.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/23/ari-fleischers-propaganda-iraq-war-ad/

Nisleib, Chuck Hagel has been a media buffoon for several years now. He is retiring because he knows he doesn't have the support of the people and Republicans in Nebraska. I stopped listening to him years ago.

"So when the swiftboaters lied about John Kerry's war record, that was fine. But when MoveOn tells the truth, suddenly it's a terrible thing to air such dirty laundry in public.

Got it."

Posted by: Cheryl | September 17, 2007 5:37 PM

Cheryl, I'm on your side and oppose the war/occupation of Iraq. But regardless of what happened in the past, MoveOn was wrong.

It's counterproductive to use insulting nicknames just to make some kind of a point.

Regardless of how you or I view Gen. Petraeus' tactics and recent testimony, military commanders who have served our country deserve respect.

This an example of why Americans on both sides should stop supporting "organizations".Try being "individuals" for a change. Whether it's "MoveOn" or "NOW" on the left or "Focus on the Family" or the "NRA" on the right, groups have a tendency to follow their own narrow agendas.

It's the freedom of the individual that matters.

Smarmy chickenhawk Cheney reeks of Halliburton and Bechtel Corp. This man has zero credibility, an approval rating in the teens, and is the most unpatriotic person in the Bush administration.

So Dick "5 deferments" Cheney supports Bush's hand-picked general after he read to Congress a press release written by the White House.

This is news how?

Posted by: John D | September 17, 2007 11:06 PM

John D, "the Joseph Stalin of Streamwood", now admits that he has stopped listening to reality years ago.

Those voices in his head must be getting pretty loud right now.

John D has his finger on the pulse of Nebraska!!! Get real loser. I spend plenty of time in Omaha etc, and find many people like Chuck Hagel. Where do you come up with this stuff??? John D, bringing the CRAZY!!!

p.s. I support Gen. David Petraeus. He's making the best of a bad situation. I'm sure he would have fought this whole fiasco in a different manner than Rummy did. Tommy Franks originally called for a VERY LARGE troop commitment but later bowed to preasure from the DOD to fight the war on the cheap.

General Petraeus told at least one outright lie to Congress.

When questioned about whether or not it mattered if a person was shot in the front or back of the head in the counting of sectarian deaths, Petraeus said that it didn’t matter, that any killing by a sectarian motive was counted. However, National Public Radio reported on 9/13/2007 that deaths by a shot to the head ARE NOT counted by the military among sectarian killings, even if they are for sectarian reasons. Thus, the number of such deaths Petraeus reported is about 50% too low, making things in Iraq much worse than he wants us to think.