Bush promises second veto on second health bill

But to vice president earboy, "compromise" (or common ground) means - "I tell you what I want, and you provide that to me."

Is this the same press secretary that thinks climate change will be beneficial for some people?

Why does W hate the kids?

Bush must not have really meant it when he created "No Child Left Behind".

The kids don't get left behind. It's just that their health care can't come with them.

"BUSH SPEAKS" F YO NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND SENATOR STARK" SAVE ME YOUR RAP RHETORICAL MUSIC AMERICA, IF AINT IRAQ, THEN IT AINT GETTIN PASSED.

NO HEALTHCARE OVER HEAR, NO HEALTHCARE OVER THERE. THEN THAT MEANS YA'ALL DON'T HAVE'EM.

JUST LIKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. NO WEAPONS OVER HERE, NO WEAPONS OVER THERE. NO WEAPONS NEXT TO THOSE CHILDRENS EITHER.

JUST 461 MORE DAYS OF SATONIC BUSH/CHENEY LAW. MAY THE FORCES BE WITH US AS THEY WANT THE WORLD TO BE ASSIMILIATED UNDER THEM.

BUSH HEARS THE VOICES. NO HEALTHCARE FOR MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE. HECK WE ALREADY HAVE ONE BLACK RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. WE ALREADY HAVE A W O M A N. SHHHHHHHHHHHH the good OL BOYS IN THE LOG CABIN MIGHT WAKE UP AND START TAPPING THOSE FEET.

It is expected, because they need the money to payoff MORE SHIEKS AND TO CREATE MORE MASS HYSTERIA ON THE IRANIAN BORDER BY PAYING BLACKWATER TO DRESS UP LIKE IRANIANS TO START HIS NEW OIL RECONCILIATION THAT THE BRITISH COULDN'T GET DONE IN THEIR LIFETIME.

LET BYGONES BE BYGONES. NO JUST MAKE SURE YOU DONT GIVE THEM YOUNG BLACKS HEALTHCARE, BECAUSE THEN THEY WON'T GROW UP AND DIE BEFORE WE CAN CAGE THEIR VOTE.

IMPEACHMENT ARTICLES IS THE ONLY THING THIS PRESIDENT SHOULD BE READING TO THE NEXT 2ND GRADE CLASS HE DECIDES TO HIDE BEHIND WHILE PLANES ARE IN THE AIR CIRCULING WAITING "NORAD TO STAND DOWN"

ESPECIALLY WHEN TRANSPORTED NUKES OVER AMERICAN SKIES!

"Cover poor children first"? What is the presidents plan to make sure the states get all the poor children signed up? Aren't children below the poverty line already covered by Medicaid?

"The president supports strengthening SCHIP", but he refuses to sign the bill? Bush is completely incapable of reaching a compromise with the Democrats in Congress. His Republican loyalists will pay the price next year.

Poor children first?!?!

HAHAHAHA Even their spin is becoming weak and tired.

Bush Hates Children.

This is a classic case of hypocritical politicians who rail against the right to an abortion. Why dont these people see fit to help those children who is out of the womb. We spend money on wars, foreign policy, and subsidize many corporations but we cannot spend a dime on our future.There are some people who need the help of our government. I would hope that we are not of the opinion that these children should suffer because thsy cannot afford health insurance. There must be someone who cares.

The liberal Democrats want socialized medicine they don't want private sector insurance. The liberal Dems want America to abandon private sector plans. Becauese they want Hillary's socialized medicine.
They are intent on passing
Hillary care which is socialized medicine. Hil wants to destroy the greatest health care system on earth to turn to socialized Hillary health care.
They know it won't pass. W will veto it. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

The "greatest health care system on earth", has the rest of the industrialized world laughing at us.
We rank thirty seventh in results. Our infant death rate is terrible and many countries citizens live longer. Over the last several decades the Dutch have grown taller than Americans because of better care.
Medicare, a socialized medicine example, has operating costs of less than four cents of the health care dollar. Private insurers need thirty one cents of the health care dollar for expenses, profits and to buy the Politicos.

Why does Bush hate Americans???

"Socialized" medicine is good enough for...

The president, Darth, & their spouses & dependents and administration staffers...

U.S. Senators, their staffers, spouses & dependents...

U.S. Congress critters, their staffers, spouses and dependents...

U.S. military personnel, spouses and dependents...

The rest of the friggin' federal government...

One and all with no deductables, no co-pay, no pre-existing condition exclusions.

But poor American kids aren't worthy.

The Republican Party is the party of I've got mine & fu.

Other than the 24% deluded dead-enders, Americans have seen the light and the Republican Party is going to deserve the '08 whoopin' which will be the biggest in its history.

See you at President Obama's inauguration in '09.

Yes, C Morris and Doug, Bush and all Republicans hate children. We hate old people too. Im fact, we hate all people and all animals and everything on this planet!! You folks just keep whackier and goofier and loonier and weirder by the day!!

The liberal Democrats want socialized medicine they don't want private sector insurance. The liberal Dems want America to abandon private sector plans. Becauese they want Hillary's socialized medicine.
They are intent on passing
Hillary care which is socialized medicine. Hil wants to destroy the greatest health care system on earth to turn to socialized Hillary health care.
They know it won't pass. W will veto it. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

I think Republicans only like their own kids. If the children do not belong to them, or to someone who can do something for them, the children cease to be human--not able to experience pain, weakness or fear. It is a fact--most child abusers score low on empathy. The Republicans want govt to ensure that babies are born, but the R.s DO NOT want the govt to ensure that those children do not suffer, be sick, or die any time after birth. That is sick in itself. I'd be very interested to see Bush/Cheney/Republicans scores on empathy.

I knew the dead-beats would be al over this left wing slanted post.
The [poor] children do have health care and Bush wanted to expand this [Republican] program by 5 billion $!
But...Nooo...The DemocRATS wanted 30-BILLION MORE! To help those [poor] families making $80,000.00 and [children] up to 25 years of age....Hmmmmm? Don't you goof-balls liberals read anything other than The Tribune????
No wonder the left found a home here!

Paulo

Make this your Christmas Card that you beg and beg your idiot donors to contribute. Bush is a corporate money sucking asshole and everybody on this board knows it. While he drags more and more filth into his war, you cowards back this moron up. YEE HAW! The idiot Texan mentality. I hope you get your nuts shot off in the war you're supporting.

National health care is good enough for...

The president, Darth, & their spouses & dependents and administration staffers...

U.S. Senators, their staffers, spouses & dependents...

U.S. Congress critters, their staffers, spouses and dependents...

U.S. military personnel, spouses and dependents...

The rest of the friggin' federal government...

One and all with no deductables, no co-pay, no pre-existing condition exclusions.

But poor American kids aren't worthy.

The Republican Party is the party of I've got mine & fu.

THE GOVERNMENT FLU!!!

It never ceases to amaze me that people only see, hear, and read what they want to and the truth be dammed. They only way people making $80,000 a year can get coverage for their children is with Bush's personal approval. In some areas of the country, making that amount of money a year before taxes is akin to making $20,000 because of the cost of living. Why shouldn't their children get covered?

Conservatives all hyperventilate at the mere thought of increasing funding by billions of dollars to increase healthcare coverage for American children. But billions of dollars can literally disappear in Iraq & you won't see a conservative so much as shrug their shoulders, even though some of this money winds up falling in the hands of terrorists that are killing Americans in Iraq.

Another example how conservatives place screwed-up ideology over the well-being of Americans & no conservative can argue agianst that.

Simple solution. Make a law saying that all medical people and facilities must provide the best health care they possibly can, to who ever needs it, on a first come first served basis. No exceptions. The finances will work themselves out.

Bush = War Pig.

Jerry,

What's with the duplicate post? Are you losing it? Forget your medication? You don't need to post twice; your comment was just as idiotic the first time. Take a break from Fox news and get some rest.

Johnny 'D' Head,

You speak the truth for once!

Simple solution. Make a law saying that all medical people and facilities must provide the best health care they possibly can, to who ever needs it, on a first come first served basis. No exceptions. The finances will work themselves out.

Posted by: San Miguel | October 26, 2007 9:55 AM

Go read the 13th Amendment, ponder it, and then seriously rethink your position.

. . . .In some areas of the country, making that amount of money a year before taxes is akin to making $20,000 because of the cost of living. Why shouldn't their children get covered?

Posted by: lochnessmonster | October 26, 2007 7:06 AM

Where in this country does $83k translate into $20k after cost of living? I've never heard of such a place.

John D,

(Re. hate the kids.)

You don't get it?

I was using your own conservative rhetorical devise to say GWB hates the kids.

It's what Hunnity, et al, used against anyone opposing Bush.

Don't you remember?
'Why do the liberals hate America?'
'Why do the liberals hate our heros?'

it went on and on. I can't believe you are so thick as to have forgotten this stuff.

I was being sarcastic and ironic, fool. I thought you would get it.

Vivian, you're wrong. Republicans only like blasocyst Americans.

D'oh! Blastocyst, not blasocyst.

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Posted by: RomanB | October 26, 2007 8:02 AM

RomanB:

You are wrong:

1. I am a Republican;

2. I am a conservative;

3. I always believed the war in Iraq was ill conceived, and that we should never have invaded Iraq;

4. I object to the government continually pouring money into that black hole known as the Iraq war;

5. I believe we should try to repair some damage there, get Iraq’s neighbors involved in a joint effort at stabilization, and maneuver our way out of that morass;

However,

6. I also have fundamental doubts about the new SCHIP bill - that purports to cover fewer people than the one that got vetoed, purports to “answer” all Republican objections to the bill, yet has fuzzy language that permits the States wiggle room on SCHIP eligibility and carries the same price tag as the one that got vetoed.

What is with that? If the bill truly excludes adults, illegal aliens and children of families making over $61k – whereas the vetoed bill didn’t – then how could it cost as much? If it doesn’t cost as much, then how come it has the same price tag? This, alone, tends to demonstrate that the bill’s proponents have been guilty of using fuzzy math at some point. But there is more. What about the language in the bill that allows the States to employ even more fuzzy math to arrive at the income levels of families in order to determine SCHIP eligibility? I have yet to hear anyone from the Democrat’s side deny this claim.

And then you think Republicans and conservatives have screwed up ideology? You have to put your brains in your back pocket and sit on them to accept, without question, the goings on in this bill.

And RomanB, please remember: Two wrongs don’t make a right. The fact that we are wrongfully in Iraq is a separate issue from domestic welfare spending. Each has to stand or fall on its own merits. There is enough wrong with the new SCHIP bill to still raise doubts about it.

"The fact that we are wrongfully in Iraq is a separate issue from domestic welfare spending."

The fact that legislation funding of $35 billion for S-CHIP was vetoed at the same time that $195 billion was requested for Iraq is absolutely pertinent.

It speaks to priorities. Whether you like S-CHIP or not, its clearly a higher priority that the military get every last tool and gadget they want to create war than it is to make sure that children of low to middle income families are insured into the future.

Its a very evident case of guns vs. butter, like the old bumper sticker that says wouldn't it be nice if schools were fully funded and that the Navy had to hold bakesales to raise money for new battleships.

Priorities.

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Posted by: Distrust and Verify | October 26, 2007 2:20 PM

I agree that our President does not have his priorities in order. However, that is not an excuse for us not to have ours in order either.

In my view, it is never too much to ask whether a spending bill is actually going to do what it purports to do, whether it is doing it the right way, and/or whether it is worded in a manner that leaves it to act as a recipe for disaster. However much you might think that a SCHIP bill is needed, this doesn't excuse failing to do it the right way.

The current bill has problems that the Iraq debacle should not be allowed to obscure. It is not merely a matter of priorities. It is a matter of doing the right thing every time. Only a child would argue that he/she should be allowed to do something because his/her older brother/sister can do the same thing. Injecting the Iraq question into the mix partakes of the same childish logic.