Defiant Pelosi vows to send Bush new kid-health bill

You really can't blame Pelosi for being defiant...she has lost credibility not only with The American people,but also the looney left....what does she have now,an 11% approval rating?
Too bad....her days are numbered...Yahoo!

Paulo

"Defiant Pelosi Vows To Send Bush New Kid-Health Bill"

Keep sending it back, Speaker Nancy!

Make these Republican drones continue to vote down healthcare for our kids while at the same time they're also voting "yes" for a stupid civil war in Iraq; by doing this it will insure that there won't be any of them left after 08.

When Bush can get up there and say he won't support adding more children to health insurance and at the same time spend $200 billion more for war AND continue to give away multi million dollar subsidies to Oil execs, this failure MUST SQUARELY BE PLANTED ON BUSH and HIS GOP ROBOTS!

I love how the Wingnuts are always screaming socialism when their very own Torturer in Chief (with help from the little GOP robots) is leading a Fascism revolution right here in America.

Paulo:

Congress has an 11% rating - and what was the rating under the Republicans at the end?? Nancy Peliosi's rating is not 11%.

No Paulo - your days are numbered. You and the rest of the lunatic right wing fringe. After November of 2008, all your little friends will be running away from the Democratic Congress and President!!

Good for Speaker Pelosi. The President's priorities of war over health are out-of-touch and too many Illinois Members of Congress supported the President over American families who would be healthier and thus happier with this investment in health care. I'm glad the DC Democrats are standing tough and showing voters whose side the President is on. Keep it up!

Now if we can only get the Senate Democrats to start forcing the Senate Republicans into taking stands against the will of the American public AND state Republican's wishes.

No MORE cloture votes. If they want to filibuster, screw them. Make them filibuster and show America how they don't want ANY legislation to pass.

Don't forget Taze:

That $200 billion is for ONE YEAR - the $35 billion is over 5 years!!!

Poll: Most Back Dems In Kids' Health Fight

NEW YORK, Oct. 17, 2007

(CBS) As Democrats try to rally support to override President Bush's veto, a CBS News poll finds an overwhelming majority of Americans support legislation that would expand a popular children's health insurance program.

Eight in 10 Americans favor expanding the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or S-CHIP, including large majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents.

While the president has raised concerns about the additional cost of expanding S-CHIP, those who favor the proposal say they'd even be willing to pay more in taxes to help the program cover more children.

More generally, the poll finds that only about one in five Americans (22 percent) approve of the president’s handling of health care. That's lower even than his approval rating on Iraq (26 percent).

WOULD YOU FAVOR OR OPPOSE EXPANDING S-CHIP?

Favor
81%
Oppose
15%

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PAY MORE TAXES TO EXPAND S-CHIP? (Among those who favor expanding S-CHIP)

Yes
74%
No
17%

Mr. Bush's overall approval rating remains at 30 percent, slightly above the 27 percent approval for Congress.

While the showdown over S-CHIP doesn't appear to have given a boost to the president or the Congress, it may have helped push health care to the forefront of the 2008 presidential campaign.

Health care now ranks second - nearly equal with the war in Iraq - as the issue voters most want to hear the presidential contenders discuss. Jobs and the economy ranks third.

On other issues, the poll finds:

Nearly two-thirds of Americans (63 percent) continue to believe the war is going badly. A large majority also want troops out of Iraq within the next few years, though most don’t think that's likely to happen.

Americans are divided in assessing the condition of the national economy: half say it’s good and half say it’s bad. When looking ahead, however, 45 percent say the economy is getting worse, while only 9 percent say it's getting better

Americans remain concerned about the financial condition of Social Security as the oldest baby-boomers start to collect their first checks. Thirty percent say the system is in crisis, and another 36 percent say it's in serious financial trouble. Just 5 percent say the system is not in trouble.

"WHY BOTHER, HE WILL JUST GIVE 10 BILLION MORE TO HALLIBURTON" WHY BOTHER HE WILL JUSTIFY NOT HELPING AMERICANS BY GIVING 200 MILLION TO BLACKWATER"

FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR THE CHILDREN BORN AND FOR THE GOP NOT BORN FOR THAT MATTER CAN YOU PLEASE SEND HIM

IMPEACHMENT ORDERS OR AN AMERICAN CENSORSHIP PIN FOR HIS NEXT NEW SUIT.

Pelosi needs to back to school. No Republicans switched their vote from the bill passed two weeks ago. 44 voted for it this time and 45 last time. Peter King (R-NY) who voted for it last time did not vote today. This is a bad bill and she knows it.

Off topic for Dumb Dumb Little Johnnie "the Joseph Stalin of Streamwood" D:

John Edwards isn't paying $400, $1200, or whatever overinflated figure you Republic Party shills love to throw around:

[quote]
Mr. Edwards joked with customers as he paid for a takeout meal.

"I got an $8 haircut compared with a $400 one," John Medley said in a joke referring to a widely mocked haircut that Mr. Edwards had billed his campaign for.

"This one cost me nine," Mr. Edwards replied, not skipping a beat.
[/quote]

link: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/us/politics/17edwards.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

By the way Dumb Dumb Little Johnnie "the Joseph Stalin of Streamwood" D: just because Answers. com says that the Gulf of Mexico is BORDERD by Cuba DOES NOT MEAN that any past of Cuba is WITHIN the Gulf!

Sheesh!!! You have the comprehension capabilities of a 2 year old - and the temperament to match!

Send it back to the Wingnuts, Speaker Nancy!

Make these stinkin' Repubs continue to vote against our kids and for their stupid civil war in Iraq and before long there won't be any of them left.

Either attach it to the Iraq supplemental, or deduct $1 billion from the Iraq supplemental for every member of Congress who voted against SCHIP, and deduct another $50 billion for Bush's vetoing SCHIP. No compromise, no making life easy for any Republicans. Keep bringing SCHIP up for a vote, over and over and over again. Nothing gets done until SCHIP gets passed.

It's long past time for our members in Congress to stand up, stand tall, and smack down the Republicans, hard.

It's long past time for our members in Congress to stand up, stand tall, and smack down the Republicans, hard.

Posted by: The Big Orange Satan | October 18, 2007 3:48 PM

You feel better now? Now go play outside and get rid of some of that misplaced aggression.

The only smacking down this bill would do if passed would be smack down on the taxpayer... this isn't the WWF - this is about not letting the government take our hard earned money and using it for a vote grabbing feel good - I am going to take care of you bill.. calm down.

Just wish Pelosi would be this adamant about bringing Impeachment articles against the little dictator and his puppetmaster Cheney. To all you bush supporters...
It is hard to believe how incredibly stupid Bush is. Stupid as a stone
that the other stones make fun of. So stupid that Bush has traveled
far beyond stupid as we know it and into a new dimension of stupid.
Meta-stupid. Stupid cubed. Trans-stupid stupid. Stupid collapsed to
a singularity where even the stupons have collapsed into stuponium.
Stupid so dense that no intelligence can escape. Singularity stupid.
Blazing hot summer day on Mercury stupid. He emits more stupid in one
minute than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. It cannot
be possible that anything in our universe can really be this stupid.
This is a primordial fragment from the original big stupid bang. A pure
extract of stupid with absolute stupid purity. Stupid beyond the laws
of nature. He is a pure epiphany of
stupid.

I don't know why this surprises folks, after all, these are what Republican values generally entail - support big business and forget about the working classes. Back in the days of Reaganomics, the trickle down theory in which Republicans blatantly lied and stated to the American public that corporations would then extend more benefits to their employees has been entirely disproven, as is evident by the lack of health care coverage to cover millions of children in this country, thanks to Republican policies. John Q. Taxpayer actually pays more taxes than they do under Democrat rule, because the enire tax code is then skewed to benefit multinational corporations, and charges the working classes more, not less.

It's a never ending loop of deceit. Meanwhile, billions of taxpayer dollars are being shipped overseas, while American children go without adequate medical coverage.

Republican leaders, virtually all of whom come from privileged backgrounds, then extoll the virtues of a lessened government. However, all that would need to be done to insure more children is to make a few simple changes to the system - increasing government's size and scope isn't even necessary.

Republican values are a blashpemy to the people of America.

You tell 'em, DB in LA. I'll bet no one has ever told these Bush supporters that they and the president are stupid. In fact, I'll bet that brilliant diatribe of yours will force them to reevaluate everything they have ever believed about anything.

"You really can't blame Pelosi for being defiant...she has lost credibility not only with The American people,but also the looney left....what does she have now,an 11% approval rating?
Too bad....her days are numbered...Yahoo!"

Paulo

Like Sao Paulo would recognize credibility if it bit him on his green card.

The only smacking down this bill would do if passed would be smack down on the taxpayer... this isn't the WWF - this is about not letting the government take our hard earned money and using it for a vote grabbing feel good - I am going to take care of you bill.. calm down.

Posted by: heartburn | October 18, 2007 5:46 PM

I thought we defeated Fascism after we took out Hitler? imagine my surprise when in 2007 we have a Hitler wannabe (Bush) and loyal brownshirts (heartburn) right here in the good ol' US of A.

Be gone, Wingnuts!

I thought we defeated Fascism after we took out Hitler? imagine my surprise when in 2007 we have a Hitler wannabe (Bush) and loyal brownshirts (heartburn) right here in the good ol' US of A.

Be gone, Wingnuts!

Posted by: The Big Orange Satan | October 18, 2007 6:11 PM

Wow - great analysis.. can you hold your drooling jaw closed long enough to try to explain even at the most basic level how this bill dying has anything to do with Facism? I wait with much anticipation your inciteful response.

I certainly admire Peter Roskam's unswerving loyalty to George Bush, although I question his judgement if he plans to run again. Is he planning to retire? It'll be nice to see his district go to the Democrats in '08.

We MUST get politics out of health care. Kids have health care. The needy already have health care. The U.S. is not a socialist state. The government caused the problem with health care in America by over socializing medicine to the extent it is not completive, and we want to exacerbate the problem? U.S. Capitalism refers to an economic system in which the means of production are all owned and operated for profit, and in which investments, distribution, income, production and pricing of goods and services are determined through the operation of a market economy. It is the right of individuals and groups of individuals acting as "legal persons" or corporations to trade capital goods, labor, land and money (see finance and credit). See http://www.InteliOrg.com/

Here's a quickly thrown together list of vulnerable Repugs who are coming up for re-election in 08 and voted against healthcare for our children today.

Range from very vulnerable to somewhat. This will provide good ammunition:

Michelle Bachman MN-6
Brian Bilbray CA-50
Gus Bilirakis FL-9
Steve Chabot OH-1
Barbara Cubin WY-AL
John Doolittle CA-4
Thelma Drake VA-2
Scott Garrett NJ-5
Sam Graves MO-6
Robin Hayes NC-8
Joe Knollenberg MI-9
Randy Kuhl NY-29
Thaddeus McCotter MI-11
Marilyn Musgrave CO-4
Steve Pearce NM-2 (he is retiring, but can be used against him should he receive the GOP nod for the NM Senate race)
Tom Reynolds NY-26
Mike Rogers AL-3
Peter Roskam IL-6
Bill Sali ID-1
Jim Saxton NJ-3
Jean Schmidt OH-2
Pete Sessions TX-32
Mark Souder IN-3
Lee Terry NE-2
Tim Walberg MI-7

Also, hopefully Jim Marshall will lose his seat.

The Repubs are always willing to sacrifice their future (Iraq) for a short term "victory". Hopefully there won't be any of the knuckledraggers left after 08.

Nancy Pelosi is extortionist. She has played her cards far long and lost but like Trafinov in the Cherry Orchard she doesn' get it. She is losing this one because Americans have figured out that we do not pay for adults in a childrens bill or people making $83,000 a year she has blown her speakership despite Roger Morris. This move is insane and will not bring closure to a stupid idea. She is doing this to give comfort to MoveOn.org and all the whackos who support her. Trouble is they are not running America. W is.Jerry White, Springfield, IL Mark my words she loses ultimately W wins!

George Bush must say a little prayer of thanks each day for having Nancy Pelosi leading the House. And a full Novena for having Harry Reid as the "leader" of the Senate. If one of them was heavy set, it would be Laurel and Hardy all over again.

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Posted by: The Big Orange Satan | October 18, 2007 6:11 PM

Yo BO,

You can't say Nazi without saying socialist. Fascists, and Nazis in particular, were (and are) socialists who promote an ultra-nationalist philosophy. In turn, Socialism, like some of the main planks in the Democratic platform, involves popular collectivization and centralization of assets and/or funding.

Between the Republicans and the Democrats, the Democrats are the one with the greatest socialist fervor. Leave it up to Hillary, and she will round us up like cattle; brand, tag and catalogue us, and pool all of our money for our common good. That is precisely what is involved in her plan for Universal Health Care.

Furthermore, Big Government Democrats – which includes most of them – adhere to this weird, paradoxical belief that big government is an engine for positive social change. It doesn’t matter to them that big government also deprives of more our freedom the larger it gets.

So, unless you are completely stupid, you might have figured out by now that the Democrats are far closer to Nazis in ideology and technique than the Republicans have ever been. Thus, you have no ground to claim that Republicans are “fascists” because they oppose an extension of a a Big Government socialist borne program. Just the opposite is true.

John W:

The 14 characteristics of FASCISM read like a 'PLAYBOOK' for the BUSHCO REGIME and their corporate cronies who have 'shredded' our Constitutional rights to allow spying on Americans for political information and clout (that has already been proved numerous times)and have emptied our TREASURY with WAR COSTS that GO TO UNBID CONTRACTS to their favorite fascist lackeys and to SECRET MEETINGS of 'Darth' CHENEY with the OIL FASCISTS who overcharge for fuel during a WAR (no SHAME here with these corproate fascists)...
does this sound familiar to FASCISM, JOHN W.?

Call Ann Coulter, Armstrong and Gannon and Hannity and O'Reilly and Limbaugh next time you send in your VOUCHER for your fascist diatribe letters and tell them 'our lies aren't working anymore'!

John W-

Fascist and Nazi are not synonyms.

Secondly, If you knew your history, you'd know that Hitler ruthlessly purged The original more "socialist" elements out of the Nazi party long before he came to power. The NASDP was socialist in name only.

As to the use of Fascist or Nazi methods by today's political parties, please remind us which party supports the use of torture, has suspended the Habeus corpus rights of US citizens, supports electronic surviellence of US citizens without judicial oversight, and supports the use of mercenaries to ruthlessly oppress a foriegn country.

If that sounds less like fascism to you than National health care, you may need to think a bit more.

If Nancy would do what she
should (IMPEACHMENT of bUSH/cHENEY put back on the table)
I doubt this issue would be
a problem.

*****

Posted by: Dansden | October 19, 2007 7:48 AM

I am not going to repeat myself. I refuted the 14 points in a reply to John E. in the Swamp thread " House can't override Bush kid-health insurance veto." See http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/house_cant_override_bush_kid_h.html

What the 14 points descirbed, and what you call fascism, were merely the symptoms, and not the causes of fascism. The central philosophy of fascism was socialsim coupled with ultra-nationalism. Those ideologies fully explain all of the 14 points.

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Posted by: AJF | October 19, 2007 9:48 AM

1. I never said fascism and socialism were the same. Re-read where I wrote that fascists were socialists who promote an ultra-nationalist philosophy. The ultra-nationalist philosophy makes fascism a peculiar form of socialism; a super-set as it were.

2. Second, I do know my history, and I disagree that the more “socialist” elements were purged from the Nazi party before Hitler came to power. The SA was purged only after Hitler took power, but their demise did not end the “collectivist” or “centralization” aspects of socialism in Nazi ideology. The difference is that the party ideology simply focused more on the nationalist and racial aspects. By the time war broke out, the country was one large hive of cooperative activity – of the sort that only a socialist could appreciate.

It seems you might be making a categorical error here, in insisting that socialism has to act precisely like some other incarnation for it to be socialism. Socialism is not invariably Marxist. In fact, Hitler and his cohorts rejected the Marxist notion of the struggle of the masses against Capitalists. He believed, and preached, that good government intervention can further the rights and interests of workers to a degree that Marx’s inevitable struggle need not occur at all.

3. The use of torture, suspension of civil rights, domestic spying and so on were the methods Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and the like used to control the masses and keep them in their collective roles. But we need to make this perfectly clear:

Their methods are not what made them fascists.

The methods were merely the symptoms of how they chose to run a fascist state with a strong-man enforcing the collectivization process. You seem to have fallen into the same logical flaw as the author of the “14 Points of Fascism” in describing it by its symptoms rather than its ideological foundations.

I must also remind you, since you seem to like history so much, that socialism in Germany pre-existed Hitler’s rise to power by a number of decades. Bismarck introduced socialism originally through innocuous social programs. This started Germany down the road to a more centralized, socialist state with a dependent population. Eventually, the whole state became so centralized, and the people so collectivized, that they had to resort to force to keep everything going that way. At the same time, the Nazis introduced the extraneous ideas of nationalism.

Germany got its start by going down the path to socialism much the same way we have been going since the creation of the Welfare State and the New Deal by F.D.R. If we are not careful, the same path will lead us to the end of freedom. For further reading, I suggest you look at “The Road to Serfdom,” by F.A. Hayek. Hayek explains exactly how Germany traveled from popular socialism to a totalitarian state, and how the same fate is possible for us too.