THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU CONFUSE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND LEGAL IMMIGRATION,THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!

The Republicant's should be asking themselves what the Republicant led and pushed for "Homeland Security dept" is doing about illegal immigration?

I'll tell you what they're doing, NOTHING...other than being a black hole for Republican cronyism, a bloated bureaucracy and a black hole for wasted dollars.

Other than that, the Wingnuts (Tom Tancretin) just hate minorities in general.

If someone has finished two years of college or served the same amount of time in the military, don't we want them to stay in this country and be productive citizens? These are young people we need to keep, this was a good idea to help them gain citizenship.

Yes, let's punish children for their parents decisions. Let's send these children back to a country they've never known.

Dangerous enemies those kids who want to attend college and join the military. I feel so much better knowing that we've gotten rid of them. I'm glad the Republicans are so focused on the grave threat of people getting educated and serving our nation.

"The legislation’s opponents called it amnesty ..."

Because it is amnesty. Amnesty for ILLEGAL (not "undocumented", the current Trib euphemism) immigrants.

Just like we call the yellow ball that appears in the sky every day "the sun". Because it IS the sun.

:'-(

I'm one of those students that would have been helped by the DREAM Act. I'm currently in Graduate School pursuing a M.S. degree in an Engineering field. Without this bill I can't go on to a PhD. What's worse, I can't even get a job. I paid over $40k of my own cash as an undergrad and now as a grad student, thanks to the Acevedo Bill, I'm paying in-state tuition (only about $20k per year). The funny thing is, I can't leave the U.S. and apply to come as a highly skilled worker, since I'm barred from the country for 10 years. I can't leave the U.S. for Europe because I can't leave my family here, because I would not be allowed to come back.
:'-(
I'm not an exceptional case, my two siblings are in the exact same position, they will soon get their degrees in Engineering and ... ironically enough, English and American History.

Sen Durbin is an embarassment to ILL !!!

And here's prime example....

He does what HE wants not what the people want

Maybe the Wampanoag Confederacy should have treated the illegal immigrants who cam to their country in 1620 harsher.

But clearly the Americans now understand what a great Hero Mexican General Santa Anna was in attempting to crush the rebellion of the illegal immigrants in the Mexican province of Tejas in 1836.

That country they've never known for many if not most of these young illegals is Mexico, a country of enormous wealth and resources and a plutocratic government which is robbing the people blind. Carlos Slim, the world's richest man, richer than Bill Gates, is Mexican. He is
quoted as believing that the way out of poverty is not social welfare programs.

Anyway, the kids should go home and get their government to fund their schooling here and come in legally on a student visa. The government has the money.

By allowing millions of their poorest and least skilled compatriots to enter the US illegally each year, we are helping to perpetuate the wealth of Slim and Mexico's incredibly corrupt politicians.

DID YOU SEE HOW THE DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR THE ILLEGALS. IF THEY GET THE WHITE HOUSE THEY WILL GRANT AMNESTY TO ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Thank you Helena for posting from the alternate universe where Mexico is a country of "enormous wealth."

GDP per Capita (PPP) United States $44,765 (#4 in the world)

GDP per Capita (PPP) Mexico: $11,880 (#63 in the world)

GDP per Capita at purchasing power parity (PPP) takes into account the differences in cost of living.

"Anyway, the kids should go home"

To the kids in question the US is their home. But what the heck, let's make them pay the price Mexico's governmental and financial shortcomings, right Helena?

"GOP STOMP CONTINUES AS AVOCATOES GO UP 2.00 A POUND, AND CRUDE OIL, AGAIN CRUDE OIL IS AT 91.00 A BARRELL."

BUT THE REPUBLICANS DO HAVE A DREAM AND THIS IS IT.

A lot of you ask WHAT IS HOMELAND SECURITY DOING ABOUT IT? Well They are waiting for this ratched up illegal immigration so much that we are now BIG IRAQ, BUT WITH NO ARMY. BLACKWATER SOON TO COME HOME BUT CONSTITUTIONALLY WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO KEN STARR IS.

HOMELAND SECURITY IS WAITING FOR CONGRESS TO PASS S BILL 1639 GIVING THE "secretary" total control of all humanity between the borders of CANADA AND MEXICO. YES YOUR NATIONALITY THEY WAY HE SEES FIT. HIS WAY OF POLICING WHAT YOU ARE SO BEGGING FOR, lock up 20 million mexicans, asians, canadians, koreans, germans, french, african..anything that walks and talks like an american but is brown skin and put them in PRISON FOR PROFIT CAMPS. YES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PAYING FOR HITLER MINDED MAN.

THEY WANT TO CONSOLIDATE ALL BRANCHES OF THE GOVERNMENT UNDER ONE SECRETARY. SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

DON'T BELIEVE ME GO READ S BILL 1639, AND YOU WILL KNOW WHY YOU ARE STILL AN AMERICAN TODAY. BUT IF CHERTOF EXERTS HIS POWERS THEN YOU ARE NOT.

BELIEVE YOU ME, WHEN YOU HEAR "WELL THE "SECRETARY" HAS DEEMED NECESSARY TO LOCK UP EVERYONE IN YOUR TOWN INDEFINITELY UNTIL HE CAN SORT YOUR NATIONALITY OUT.

NO MLK FOR MEXICAN, MEXICAN AMERICAN BORN CHILDREN. NO DREAM FOR YOU. JUST A BUS TICKET TO CHERTOF PRISON FOR PROFIT LAND.

Goshdarnit Robert Morris will you please lay off the all caps please!!!

Hidden from the story are the details that made this a bad bill. This was just more politics.

Oh, don't be coy whatnow, enlighten us about the details that made this a bad bill.

Maybe the Wampanoag Confederacy should have treated the illegal immigrants who cam to their country in 1620 harsher.

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Posted by: Massasoit | October 24, 2007 5:05 PM

But the Wampanoag tribes tried to treat the white men harsher. You mean you never heard of Metacom and King Philip's War? They tried, but they were too late. There were too many English settlers by then, and King Phillip lost.

A lesson we can all learn.

A lesson we can all learn.

Every white american is an illegal immigrant. Every last one. If we are going to punish the children of illegal immigrants, let's punish them all.

First in, first out.

All decendants of those who came over on the Mayflower, please book passage back to England. Thank you.

Or was your lesson that we should slaughter the immigrants the minute they step into our territory?

Sad Student--all the Democrat Party needs is to have another victim. Work to become legal then, you can get your PHD. Sounds like while being illegal hasn't stopped you from a Masters. Did the taxpayers pay for it. That's more than we do for legals.Dickie Durbin is hot to get new Hispanic voters. What an embarassment he is to Illinois. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

Dear Jerry White,

Can you please enlighten me as to how I can go about and “work to become legal”. I'm dying for an answer. The only way is by marriage to a U.S. citizen or LPR. No, being and undocumented student will not stop me from a Masters. I don't think you understood what I wrote. I paid over $40k of out-of-state tuition. I hope that answer your “Did the taxpayers pay for it?” question. The taxpayers of Illinois (myself included, as I can seen tax deductions in my paychecks, and all the other taxes I pay along with every Illinois resident, along with my family's property tax, yes, we can/do own property) already invested in my high school education, and will now get a good solid educated “citizen” for their investment, but a lack of DREAM Act might prevent that. OK, it won't, I'll get my PHD, but it is not going to be easy. Bu then what?

Dear Jerry White,

Can you please enlighten me as to how I can go about and “work to become legal”. I'm dying for an answer. The only way is by marriage to a U.S. citizen or LPR. No, being and undocumented student will not stop me from a Masters. I don't think you understood what I wrote. I paid over $40k of out-of-state tuition. I hope that answer your “Did the taxpayers pay for it?” question. The taxpayers of Illinois (myself included, as I can seen tax deductions in my paychecks, and all the other taxes I pay along with every Illinois resident, along with my family's property tax, yes, we can/do own property) already invested in my high school education, and will now get a good solid educated “citizen” for their investment, but a lack of DREAM Act might prevent that. OK, it won't, I'll get my PHD, but it is not going to be easy. Bu then what?

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Or was your lesson that we should slaughter the immigrants the minute they step into our territory?

Posted by: Massasoit | October 25, 2007 7:25 AM

No, the lesson was that, if there is an immigration problem, it must be addressed fast enough to keep it from getting out of hand.

By the way, you have yet to explain a couple inconsistencies in your claim that all white people are "illegal immigrants." First of all, you haven't said how or why white people could be considered "illegal" when they were originally welcomed by the Wampanoag tribes and other groups of Native American Indians. Why, for instance, did it take more than 50 years for the Wampanoag tribes to finally take some action?

I’ll tell you why, in case you forgot. The Wampanoag wanted the English present because they provided a good source of trade as well as an ally against Wampanoag enemies: the Pequot, Narragansett, and the Mohegan tribes. In fact, the English were very effective in subduing these latter tribes. Then the Wampanoag began trading English goods for land – at which time everything went sour. This is why the Wampanoag decided they didn’t want the English there after all. So they turned on them in war and were defeated. And most of the circumstances leading up to the predicament was caused by your namesake, Massasoit – sachem of the Pokanoket who held the allegiance of other Wampanoag tribes.

Thus, if customs were the law, then the English were not illegal immigrants. That is because it was the custom of the Wampanoag to not only welcome the English, but to trade with them, sell them land, and form political and military alliances with them.

Second, the term “illegal” implies the existence of a law. Are you trying to tell us that the Wampanoag actually had immigration laws? Are you also trying to tell us also that welcoming the English – as Massasoit did from 1620 until his death – violated Wampanoag law? If so, what proof do you have to substantiate that claim?

One last note: Even if everyone whose relatives came over on the Mayflower returned to England, there would still be plenty of us left. My ancestors, for instance, came over to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1632, on the Lyon and proceeded to settle first in what is now Cambridge, Massachusetts, and then Hartford, Connecticut. So, you had better make your demands bigger to get what you’re after.

Having our country serve as a release valve for corrupt governments elsewhere is not in our best interest, and it is not in the best interest of citizens of other countries. The pressure of unhappy citizens will force change in those countries, but there's no pressure if the unhappy ones expressed their unhappiness by moving here.

Among the problems posed by illegal aliens (alien = an unnaturalized resident of a country) is the downward pressure on wages. It's simple supply and demand. The jobs "Americans won't take" are those with wages that are artificially low, having been driven down by millions of illegal aliens.

I admire the students who worked to help pay for their education; unfortunately they and their parents contributed to our "working poor" problem by driving down wages.

Offering incentives to illegal aliens or their progeny will do nothing to discourage those who would consider entering illegally in the future.

Oh, and we don't need a fence. We need huge fines for employers hiring illegal aliens.

I tell you what.

Get rid of the illegal aliens and you know what happens?
Oil consumption goes down
The stress on our infrastructure goes down.
The strain on public services such as health care goes down.
The need for more Police goes down.
the strain on our school systems goes down.
Raise taxes? For what so we can hand more to ILLEGAL ALIENS? I think not.
Now the ILLEGAL ALIENS are setting fire to California? They said they would and now they are.
Death to the GRINGO is what they chant in the streets in L.A. California.
AZTLAN! Reconquesta!
That is what the city council has cried in the streets of L.A.
This is now a war. They declared war in no uncertain terms this past summer.

The recent arrests, raids etc... have upset those who wish to take over the U.S.a.
If bush Denies what is really happening in order to shelter those whontheraten our country then he needs to be prosecuted for TREASON. Actually he has already earned that destintion but this is yet another reason.
These people are not joking around! They mean to do what they have set out to do and with the help of people like those in our Senate, Hillary, Obama, and other like Durbin, Blagojevich, Guitierez, Mayor Daley, etc...
They will succed.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!! The war has started and nobody sems to take notice.

For all you people who say that illegal immigration helps the economy... well guess what the most recent studies show that illegal immigrants drain it. The same studies that said illegals were a good thing a couple of decades ago too. Read Enrique's Journey. Enrique, an illegal immigrant, says that if he were a citizen that he would be anti-illegal immigration too.