Bush hails advances in 'ethical stem cell research'

Why is there nothing anywhere in the mainstream press about Scott McClellan's book?

What all the anti-stem cell research people seem to be overlooking is that thousands of embryos are created so that infertile people can have babies. Never mind that the world population explosion continues to be the biggest challenge facing the human race.
These embryos are mostly discarded. The clinics which are creating these embryos are creating life to be destroyed, (tossed into the dumpster). Why don't the anti-stem cell research people go after these clinics?
I don't understand.

I applaud the President's stand on stem cell research. I only wish he valued ALL human life and abolished the death penalty as well.

Fertility clinics are still throwing out unused embryos. Rage on wingers.

San Miguel:

The president is against using the frozen embryos that couples no longer want.
Bush would rather see them destroyed than to use them to help find a cure for any disease.

I think the solution is have the couples donate their embryos to research when they no longer want them. It should be the couple's choice how to use them, not the Federal Government or the Christian Conservative Right to Lifers...it is none of their business.

Bush as Mr. Science.

That's pretty funny.

Not the Federal Government or the Christian Conservative Right to Lifers...it is none of their business.

Posted by: lochnessmonster | November 20, 2007 1:06 PM

lochness,
You nailed it, the Republic Party talks about giving us less govt and taxes and then they get elected and give us a $9 trillon deficit and their rightwing evangelical nuts start telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies.

So far not one breakthrough regarding embyronic stem cells. All of the medical breakthroughs have been with adult stem cells, and here skin cells.

San Miguel: Please stop calling us "anti stem cell research." We are anti EMBRYONIC stem cell research. As for the "population boom": are you serious? Most first world countries are seeing negative population growth. Its far from the "biggest challenge facing the human race." And just because people create extra babies in test tubes does not make it right. Furthermore, those extra embryos can be adopted by and implanted in people who cannot afford in vitro. They do not have to be destroyed. I am so sick of the myths that people like you perpetuate.

More administration disinformation. Bush doesn't know what pluripotent means.

It is a crime that medical researchers have spent 7 years trying to replicate something that already existed. We are 7 years behind in medical research. We should be lineing people up for cures by now. Get the politics and religions out of finding much needed medical discoveries. I just wonder how Bush would have dealt with this issue if one of his daughters had a complication or medical condition that could be cured with embryonic stem cell research.

John D,
It helps to know what you are talking about.

Eur J Neurosci. 2007 Nov 14; BMP4 induction of sensory neurons from human embryonic stem cells and reinnervation of sensory epithelium.

Graefes Arch Clin Exp Ophthalmol. 2007 Nov 15; Transplantation of cells from eye-like structures differentiated from embryonic stem cells in vitro and in vivo regeneration of retinal ganglion-like cells.

J Am Coll Cardiol. 2007 Nov 6;50(19):1884-93. Transplantation of human embryonic stem cell-derived cardiomyocytes improves myocardial performance in infarcted rat hearts.

Right on Sheila. Some people are so nasty. Why can't people see that if we're able to make advances in science without destroying any life, that's the logical and ethical choice.

There is an old saying:

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament"

Christopher Reeve was a fun loving playboy, who had not a care in the world...until he needed radical advancements in medical research.

When a disease that strikes at the right wing demographic that can only be cured through stem cell therapy and research, thats when things will change, and people will be falling over themselves to make us believe they were for it all along.

Nobody cared about AIDS...until it started showing up in the middle class heterosexual demographic.

In order for these people to get set straight, and start applying common sense to the issue, it has to strike deep into their hearts. That means: their loved ones, their wallets, or their voter rolls.

if we used real stem cells to reseach bush*s brain - it will really expose the psychopathic truth about his rebeling against mom & dad wishes cos jed was really supposed to be the next queen

ralphie,
Don't forget the WI-38 cell line. Please google this John D. You might learn something. Then again you might just project your self-loathing onto me or someone else in the Swamp.

I'd be interested to see the Dems' response to this.

I've always thought they liked the idea of e.stem cell research because it lessened the chance that an embryo's legal status could be, as John Kerry said, "elevated"

"When a disease that strikes at the right wing demographic that can only be cured through stem cell therapy and research"

Really? Which diseases would those be?

"Nobody cared about AIDS...until it started showing up in the middle class heterosexual demographic. "

Really? When did it hit that demographic?

That's not what the CDC stats say.

"When a disease that strikes at the right wing demographic that can only be cured through stem cell therapy and research"

Really? Which diseases would those be?

"Nobody cared about AIDS...until it started showing up in the middle class heterosexual demographic. "

Really? When did it hit that demographic?

That's not what the CDC stats say.

Why is there nothing anywhere in the mainstream press about Scott McClellan's book???

Hmmm...
Bush cares about the sanctity of human life now.....?
Whats the current death toll overseas again....?

Let me quote the last line of the actual paper:

"Human iPS cells, however, are not identical to hES cells: DNA microarray analyses detected differences between the two pluripotent stem cell lines. Further studies are essential to determine whether human iPS cells can replace hES in medical applications."

So, in other words, all the ES restrictions have done is make many smart people waste a tremendous amount of resources to generate something of questionable utility, something Thomson politely alludes to in his comments.

When a disease that strikes at the right wing demographic that can only be cured through stem cell therapy and research"

Really? Which diseases would those be?

Posted by: JD | November 20, 2007 6:06 PM

Just Dumb,

Stem cell research just might cure the dementia that you and the other rightwing knuckledraggers suffer from, that's why I don't know if I support it because it's almost to easy to make fun of you robots right now.

Newly published by Scott McClellan. he has this to say about the most corrupt, incompetent administration in the history of the US...

"The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

There was one problem. It was not true.

I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President's chief of staff, and the president himself."

I believe NOTHING that comes from this cesspool.

Right on Sheila. Some people are so nasty. Why can't people see that if we're able to make advances in science without destroying any life, that's the logical and ethical choice.

Posted by: cheryl | November 20, 2007 3:59 PM

First, not all logical 'prima facie' choices are ethical. Society has long been fooled by 'heuristics' inherent in our perceptions. Second, for those whom are diseased and suffering, what logical line of reasoning or level of comfort can you offer insuring them that thier PROLONGED SUFFERING is ethically necessary? Is it not equally unethical to have the scientific knowledge avaiable and simply choose not to utilize it? Furthermore, when substantial breakthroughs are made in the private sector (or international enterprise), who will protect the public from outrageous medical treatment expenses? Our society cannot afford subscribing to an ABSOLUTE SOLUTION, there isn't a universal answer concerning this controversy.

Diseased citizens of this country deserve thier right to an "improved quality of life" just as those who have chosen abortion as a means of perpetuating thier "quality of life."

What was it Tom Delay had to say about a 2005 vote to fund embryonic stem cell research?:

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) called it a "vote to fund with taxpayer dollars the dismemberment of living, distinct human beings for the purposes of medical experimentation."

"The best that can be said about embryonic stem cell research is that it is scientific exploration into the potential benefits of killing human beings," said DeLay, who set up pro-adoption posters as a backdrop. DeLay, who had lowered his profile amid the storm over his travel and dealings with lobbyists, spent the afternoon on the House floor leading opposition to the bill.

OMG, where do the wing-nuts find these people? Even the staunchly conservative Orrin Hatch was strongly in favor of it and aggressively lobbied Bush to sign it into law. But nooooooooo, Dubya had to throw some red meat to hysterics that equate cells in a petri dish to something resembling a living, breathing child.

John and Ralphie, here are some facts:

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2001/NRL07/stem.html
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm

Now this one says they are excited about embryonic stem cells, but offer little else than excitement:

http://www.nesci.ac.uk/stemcells/explained/embryonic.htm

There is no doubt this is a heated issue, and getting articles and information that don't try to spin one way or the other is difficult.

But even embryonic stem cell enthusiasts admit stem cell technology is far superior and far more successful. All they can offer is hope and excitement, with little support for that hope and excitement. I would imagine billions of dollars of financing is the main support for hope and excitement.

Why does Bush think he has any standing for moral presumption about anything?

personally i think that the discarded embryos should be used for stem cell reaserch since stem cell research seems to be so promising for many diseases although it is a very goos breakthrough that they can now use skin cells for research since they will be more readily avalable and of course more ethical

george bush sucks id rather have FRANK CALIENDO doing his impersonations behind Bush's desk than bush actually being himself behind his desk...o yea COLBERT FOR PRESIDENT! (to bad hes not running)