Giuliani: Dems not unpatriotic, just too 'correct'

Who cares what he thinks, Rudolph Giuliani is lying, criminal piece of crap.

Giuliani's Five Big Lies About 9/11:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0732,barrett,77463,6.html

Pat Robertson supports Rudy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmAh3hozyg0

"I'm not questioning their patriotism,"

Well that will not fly with these hardcore righties. There is not enough hate in those words. I'll never understand how the right claims to love America but truley hate Americans.

"Have you ever heard of anything worse?" he said. "Would you give the enemy a timetable of your retreat?"

Yes I have. Starting a war over false intelligence. Saying they will throw flowers at us, they are in their last throes, disbanding the Iraqi army, calling this a war on terror when Al-Quaeda was not in Iraq untill we started this mess. What fools to believe that this will end terrorism. Children should never be allowed to govern.

Giuliani is a joke in need of a straight man.

He doubts the Democrats' "comprehension of international affairs"? Well most of us don't doubt his comprehension of other kinds of affairs. One mistake is understandable, but he's performing "Variations on a theme".

What's really annoying is how he insists on misquoting and mischaracterizing his opponents, both Democratic and Republican. Does he really think that's being presidential? Hang on....

Wow! Talk about a misleading headline. Did you all not have enough room to put in the word, "politically" in front of "correct"? Did you think people wouldn't notice that slight?

There's a huge difference between the meanings of "correct" and "politically correct."

A more accurate headline would be the Dems are too "PC," not "Correct." Playing with words there, Christi to get your biases out there?

Giuliani is so right! All the dems stand for anymore, is the party of defeat!
Giving the enemy a timetable of your retreat,is one of the dems loudest mantra's...but,I don't recall reading about that during W.W.2 Oh,I forgot, that's when democRATS were men!

Paulo

Bill R., it's the right who loves America AND Americans. It is the Left that hates America AND Americans. You folks spew more hate than what takes place in 10 years at every KKK and Nazi rally -- COMBINED!

A more accurate headline would be the Dems are too "PC," not "Correct."

A Republican talking point if there ever was one.

I would rather be headed by someone who targets the crime and not a people. I want terrorism not Islamic terrorism. War on Drugs sounds much better than War on Black Drug use. Even if it originated there and hits the black community disproportionately at least we know that we've got our priorities straight in the end. Drugs bad. Not Black people.

Of the top three Republican candidates only McCain served in the military during Viet Nam. Don Giuliani got deferments because of school, and an "occupational" deferment because he worked for a judge. Of the three top Democrats Obama was too young to serve, Hillary was not subject to the draft, and John Edwards number was never called. So that means we should all elect John McCain because he served in the military. Right?

Don Giuliani just oozes patriotism and foreign affairs knowledge so much you can see is coming through his pores. Or is that snake oil? The Don expects New Hampshire Repubs to vote for him because they expect people to have answers and can show them results. So the Don is a magician too?

Paulo: HAHAHAHA are you f***ing serious?? Comparing WWII to Your(own it) quagmire?? Nice try. There's not enought room in this comment field for me to point out the VAST differences between the two events, beginning with international support, pretext for invasion, etc, and ending with reconstruction, reparations, etc.

John D: We spew more hate than the idealistically conservative KKK/Nazi parties? Where were you conservatives during the Civil Rights Movement? Oh, that's right, fighting FOR segregation and AGAINST women's rights. You know what I hate? OPPRESSION. The kind you and Your party have been touting for decades, if not centuries.

I thought I'd past a response to Paulo, John D the rest...but it is tiring work...why bother...they only hear what they want to hear and refuse to hear anything other than the GOP talking points.

John D,

Tell us again how loving you are. Let me count the ways...

Oh Doogie/John E/dt/Raving Loon/Janet, all the same: One collective, worthless human space.

Posted by: John D | July 12, 2007 4:45 PM

If there are any traitors in this country it is the Demoncratic party, the liberal media and the Demented Loons on the Left.

Posted by: John D | September 6, 2007 2:04 PM

As I've stated previously, the loony left is just as much an enemy of the U.S. and western world as are Al Qaeda.

Posted by: John D | September 7, 2006 1:48 PM

As far as vermin needing to be destroyed or euthanized, I look forward to the day the actual civil war breaks out in this country and we conservatives finish off the Lefty Loon for once and for all.

Posted by: John D | September 25, 2007 5:12 PM

I would prefer putting folks like Kennedy, Durbin (and I would start with him first), Reid, Leaky Leahy in the same stalls as the head-chopping terrorists in Gitmo and I would give those terrorists machetes and see what they do with them to the likes of Durbin and Kennedy.

Posted by: John D | November 1, 2007 3:03 PM

Yawnnnn....who cares what this crypto-fascist says. I am still enjoying Turkeyday weekend and getting ready to celebrate the War on Xmas.... Yawnnnn.

"You folks spew more hate than what takes place in 10 years at every KKK and Nazi rally -- COMBINED!"

Oh HO HO HO ha ha hee hee hee! Phew! Another gem from our friend, Lil' Johnny. Yeah, Lil' Johnny, we're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you.

LOL John D,

First you say "...it's the right who loves America AND Americans."

So as someone from the right that loves Americans you then say 2 sentences later "You folks spew more hate than what takes place in 10 years at every KKK and Nazi rally -- COMBINED!"

You are so full of love.

Some of these leftist bloggers are always writing about how wrong Rudy is. This time they're correct. Rudy is wrong about
the Mor-On.org Democrats and patriotism...or lack thereof.

C. Morris, Is the war on Christmas still going? I thought that mighty Bill O'Reilly, Defender of the Holy Fox ratings and Keeper of the sacred sponge, would have vanquished all of the PC heretics, jews, muslims, and assorted liberal infidels by now. At this rate, the troops will be home from Iraq before he's done milking that topic.

"He also accused Democrats of bowing to "political correctness" by not properly labeling the current threat to American national security."

Really? Maybe Democrats should be like Bush & flat-out lie about threats to America's security, & the rest of us be dumb enough to believe & defend him.

Marko, when speaking of you Lefties, I just speak the truth. Love nor hate is not part of it. Just the facts.

Ok, or would that be John E.? See you still keep saving all my posts? All the way back into Sept. 2006 this time? Wow. Well, I guess when you live in mumsy's and dadsy's basement, with no job and nothing else better to do, I guess saving my posts is some sort of time killer.

Hmmm, what can I write here that it'll be a good keeper of my swamp posts for you?

How about this? The Loony Left: not only the worst mankind has to offer but also the most worthless of all living creatures.

What kind of foreign policy experience does this little criminal thug (Giuliani) have anyway?

Giuliani had a chance to get some experience by working with the Iraq study group but instead he quit so that he could continue to get high paid 9/11 speaking gigs and make even more money off of being the Mayor of NYC the day that tragedy killed over 3 thousand New Yorkers.

This rat is profiting off of peoples deaths and he want's to be elected President too? I wouldn't vote for him if he were the only one running.

Rudy's a flipping lying scumbag.

Oh JohnDeWeenie, you're so full of hate I really wish you'd get some professional help before posting again.

You folks spew more hate than what takes place in 10 years at every KKK and Nazi rally -- COMBINED!

Posted by: John D | November 24, 2007 6:15 PM

Really Little Johnny D? Well I for one am proud that I am intolerant and hateful towards Nazi's and the KKK, they are vile scum and I despise every one of them. Why are you so accepting of their message again?

Ummmm...Jeffrey Jenkins,
Did you say in your post...reparations? Well, I guess we all know what your agenda is.....?????

Ok...re-read my post..I never compared W.W.2, to a [quagmire]... I posted, back when democrats where men, and wanted to win, they acted like men and gave no timetables to the enemy for retreat....Duhhhhh!

Are you related to Dorthy [The Hat] Tillman?

Paulo

So the truth/fact is that you feel a whole political party is made up of traitors. So the truth/fact is that you feel some people are worthless human space. So the truth/fact is that you wish harm upon others.

Got it.

How is this different than what comes up at KKK and neo-Nazi rallies? PROPAGANDA - All Jews are greedy. DEHUMANIZATION - some people we don't like can be deprived of being human. FINAL SOLUTION - they wouldn't be a problem if we did this and this to get rid of them once and for all.

You are so full of hate denial and spin I don't even think that you are a real person. Mark Silva thanks for playing. BTW I'm not John E.

Jeffrey Jenkins:" Where were you conservatives during the Civil Rights Movement? Oh, that's right, fighting FOR segregation and AGAINST women's rights. You know what I hate? OPPRESSION. The kind you and Your party have been touting for decades, if not centuries."

Where were conservatives? Here ya go:

Abraham Lincoln emancipated the slaves

1866: first civil rights act passed by Radical Republicans over a Presidential veto, blacks granted citizenship, segregation was forbidden

1868 Republicans passed the 14th amendment passed granting equal protection

1871 Republicans passed voting rights

Theodore Roosevelt was the first President to invite an African-American to dinner in the White House.

1920s, the Democratic platforms didn't even call for anti-lynching legislation as the Republican platforms did.

1957 civil rights act pushed by Ike, passed . Sen Kennedy voted against it, A Democrat Senator filibustered it for 24 hrs, Senator Johnson watered it down so that it lacked enforcement

Eisenhower sent Federal troops to Little Rock to integrate Central High

1960 another civil rights act, again Dems kept enforcement measures out of it

1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Over eighty percent of Republicans voted for both. (larger percentage then dems)

Nixon created the EEOC and expanded civil rights law.

Ronald Reagan signed the bill making MLK day a public holiday

Today the three highest ranking black government officials are all Republicans (Powell, Rice and Thomas)

What have the Democrats, as a group, done for civil rights?

My heart goes out to Dennis Quaid and his family. And to Kanye West and his family. These are two unfortunate examples of why it is so important to end the Cancer of private for profit health care delivery in America. HR 676 Single Payer Universal Health Care (Medicare For All) is The Way to go. Like all other developed countries did years ago. See sickocure.org

You see, It's not just about the 47 million Americans that have no insurance. Or the 89 million who went without insurance part of the time from 2006-2007. It's about everyone. Private for profit health care delivery is not only highly immoral, and unethical. It is just down right dangerous, and bad medicine. That injures, and kills millions of Americans needlessly. Disgracefully. Shamefully.

These injuries, and deaths should not have happened. We only heard about them because it happened to celebrities. But these tragedies are happening to thousands of Americans every day in this country. But you don't hear about it. These thousands of needless deaths, and injuries of your loved ones are covered up. Under so-called patient confidentiality. Which is just health care industry speak for "don't tell anybody we injured, or killed another one".

See, no one is immune from the Cancer of private for profit health care delivery. Mr. Quaid's children were being cared for at a very renowned hospital. And I am sure Mr. Quaid probably has excellent insurance. And can afford the finest medical care available. But as it turned out. None of that mattered. Hospitals have always been potentially very dangerous places. But under the pressures of greed, and a rush to profit. All US hospitals have become extremely dangerous, deadly places. Like they were in the 18th century. When hospitals were primarily the place you went to DIE!

I don't know exactly how this tragedy to Mr. Quaid's babies happened. But I imagine it was the same scenario that plays out thousands of times every day across America. Driven by greed, and the profit motive hospitals cut corners as much as they can get away with. This means staff that is over worked. And under staffed. It means hiring the least experienced, and cheapest hospital staff you can get. And pushing out the more experienced safer higher paid staff.

They say the pharmacist stocked the wrong meds. And that the hospitals were warned about this problem months ago. After many other perfectly healthy new born babies were killed by this mistake. I wonder how many thousands of perfectly healthy babies were killed this way across America. And how many thousands are still being killed this way across America.

It should not have mattered what concentration of heparin the pharmacist stocked the medicine cabinets with. Because every one who administers drugs is supposed to have been taught to follow the (7 R's).

a. Right drug,

b. Right patient,

c. Right dose,

d. Right time,

e. Right route,

f. Right reason,

g. Right documentation,

This is just basic practice. A experienced person will check additional things. Before giving a patient a potentially deadly drug.

In anticipation of coming changes in our health care system. Thousands of patients are being killed at a fevered pitch. And millions injured, and poisoned with unnecessary medications, medical procedures, and surgery's. In an orgy of greed, and profiteering a head of proposed changes to our current disgraceful health care system.

HR. 676 Single Payer Universal National Health Care For All (Medicare For All) can fix this disgrace. Until then, I advise you to be careful of taking any recommended medical care at this time without doing your home work. And getting a good independent 2nd, or 3rd opinion. Especially if you have so-called good insurance coverage.

And If you have to receive medical care in, or out of a hospital. Try to have a knowledgeable family member or friend to keep an eye on what they are doing to you.

Good Luck...

As we struggle to know our domestic enemies. No, matter your political party affiliation, and setting aside your thoughts on issues. We all need to remember what it is to be an American Citizen. We need to make sure our elected representatives obey their Oath of Office and keep their Oath of Allegiance. See http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl Know whom you are voting for.

So true - Shall we vote for a known liar and cheat, who takes credit for the downward trend in crime in N.Y. when the same thing was happening all over the nation, keeps his criminal friends on the payroll while building a campaign platform on the corpses of thousands of innocent people? No Good? Maybe we should vote for Mr. Big Money? With a net worth of 200 million dollars, how likely is he to be in touch with what normal people want or need? How likely is it that he's accepting a 98% cut in pay so he can make a few dollars on the back end? Do we really want another 8 years of government that exists solely to benefit the super wealthy? Here's an idea - let's all vote for Dr. Ron Paul, who will bring home the troops, rid us of foreign entanglements, stop corporate welfare and restore our personal liberties. Gee, a candidate that believes we're actually PEOPLE and not just votes. Go to RonPaul2008.com and learn more. REGISTER TO VOTE!!!

"Bill R., it's the right who loves America AND Americans. It is the Left that hates America AND Americans. You folks spew more hate than what takes place in 10 years at every KKK and Nazi rally -- COMBINED!

Posted by: John D | November 24, 2007 6:15 PM"

Prove it. Prove it exactly as you've made the statement. Show me EXACTLY how much hate Democrats have versus EXACTLY how much hate Republicans have -- quantified, not based on your paranoia and personal bias. Show me HOW MANY Democrats have said "I want America to lose." versus the number of Republicans who've said "Democrats want America to lose." Show me FIGURES. Show me non-partisan statistics. You've said over and over again how yours is the party of cool logic and facts. Let's see them.

I say you're lying and you have no proof whatsoever to back up these statements. And if you don't have any proof, just do yourself and all of us a favor and shut your lying, sanity-deficient piehole.

"1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Over eighty percent of Republicans voted for both. (larger percentage then dems)

Posted by: TMB | November 25, 2007 10:10 AM "

TMB, that vote was actually most clearly drawn on NORTH vs SOUTH lines. Specifically, the vote went as follows:

Vote totals
Totals are in "Yes-No" format:

The original House version: 290-130 (69%-31%)
The Senate version: 73-27 (73%-27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289-126 (70%-30%)

By party
The original House version:

Democratic Party: 153-96 (64%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

One of UPSHOTS of the Civil Rights act was a whole lot of conservative SOUTHERN Democrats mucho ticked at having uppity blacks who no longer seemed to know their place -- if you get my meaning.

Those Democrats migrated to the REPUBLICAN party in protest between 1964 and the early 70's. They and their descendants have been there ever since, racist rage intact albeit better hidden.

Which, I trust, also accounts for a good portion of why Democrats didn't get behind any of the other pre-1964 items you list. Enough of those Democrats were Southerners wanting to keep their blacks in line and obedient that they weren't about to vote in favor of civil rights.

The Republican Party of Abraham Lincoln has long since been left behind, all the more a pity in memory of the greatness of Lincoln.

See also:
http://www.congresslink.org/print_basics_histmats_civilrights64text.htm

My heart goes out to Dennis Quaid and his family. And to Kanye West and his family. These are two unfortunate examples of why it is so important to end the Cancer of private for profit health care delivery in America. HR 676 Single Payer Universal Health Care (Medicare For All) is The Way to go. Like all other developed countries did years ago. See sickocure.org

You see, It's not just about the 47 million Americans that have no insurance. Or the 89 million who went without insurance part of the time from 2006-2007. It's about everyone. Private for profit health care delivery is not only highly immoral, and unethical. It is just down right dangerous, and bad medicine. That injures, and kills millions of Americans needlessly. Disgracefully. Shamefully.

These injuries, and deaths should not have happened. We only heard about them because it happened to celebrities. But these tragedies are happening to thousands of Americans every day in this country. But you don't hear about it. These thousands of needless deaths, and injuries of your loved ones are covered up. Under so-called patient confidentiality. Which is just health care industry speak for "don't tell anybody we injured, or killed another one".

See, no one is immune from the Cancer of private for profit health care delivery. Mr. Quaid's children were being cared for at a very renowned hospital. And I am sure Mr. Quaid probably has excellent insurance. And can afford the finest medical care available. But as it turned out. None of that mattered. Hospitals have always been potentially very dangerous places. But under the pressures of greed, and a rush to profit. All US hospitals have become extremely dangerous, deadly places. Like they were in the 18th century. When hospitals were primarily the place you went to DIE!

I don't know exactly how this tragedy to Mr. Quaid's babies happened. But I imagine it was the same scenario that plays out thousands of times every day across America. Driven by greed, and the profit motive hospitals cut corners as much as they can get away with. This means staff that is over worked. And under staffed. It means hiring the least experienced, and cheapest hospital staff you can get. And pushing out the more experienced safer higher paid staff.

They say the pharmacist stocked the wrong meds. And that the hospitals were warned about this problem months ago. After many other perfectly healthy new born babies were killed by this mistake. I wonder how many thousands of perfectly healthy babies were killed this way across America. And how many thousands are still being killed this way across America.

It should not have mattered what concentration of heparin the pharmacist stocked the medicine cabinets with. Because every one who administers drugs is supposed to have been taught to follow the (7 R's).

a. Right drug,

b. Right patient,

c. Right dose,

d. Right time,

e. Right route,

f. Right reason,

g. Right documentation,

This is just basic practice. A experienced person will check additional things. Before giving a patient a potentially deadly drug.

In anticipation of coming changes in our health care system. Thousands of patients are being killed at a fevered pitch. And millions injured, and poisoned with unnecessary medications, medical procedures, and surgery's. In an orgy of greed, and profiteering a head of proposed changes to our current disgraceful health care system.

HR. 676 Single Payer Universal National Health Care For All (Medicare For All) can fix this disgrace. Until then, I advise you to be careful of taking any recommended medical care at this time without doing your home work. And getting a good independent 2nd, or 3rd opinion. Especially if you have so-called good insurance coverage.

And If you have to receive medical care in, or out of a hospital. Try to have a knowledgeable family member or friend to keep an eye on what they are doing to you.

Good Luck...

JJ,

TMB seems to be saying the Dems are conservative and the Repulics are the liberals. He is turning logic inside out to match his/her circular logic.

Tom O,

The War on Christmas group met at the Holiday Inn, Bethlehem PA in July to plot out this years war.

The opening shot was so called 'Black Friday', where the entire country worries over the profitability of Wal Mart, Target, etc. and goes shopping for landfill junk at 2:00AM.

The next shot is a scheduled 'child trampling' at 'The Dollar Barn' in a stampede for a .45cent special on reading glasses.

"Good Luck...

Posted by: jacksmith | November 25, 2007 1:34 PM

We are going to need it, (luck that is) because real relief is probably not on the way. The Christian right wing is against NHI as 'anti family', and all the politicians, so called liberals included, fear them.

OP109,

OK, I guess we can take every Act and spin it by geographics, demographics, bleeding-heart republicans, bluedog democrats, etc. It still wouldn’t change the fact that Republicans have done just as much, if not more, for civil rights in this country (answering the question from JJ). If you’re going to go into detail about specific Senators, you might as well tell the whole story, such as the fact that Senators like Barry Goldwater voted against it strictly because two sections, in their view at that time, overextended the role of the federal government. It had nothing to do with racism. Goldwater was a champion of civil rights for most of his life, and strongly supported Civil Rights Acts of 1957 & 1960.

Please explain how current Republicans are espousing “racist rage intact”.

C. Morris,

Apparently you have nothing worthwhile to add...just pre-conceived, divisive generalities. Learn some history. Then you may want to explain how a list of facts is “circular logic”. Then you may want to try answering my question: What are Democrats doing for civil rights?

No TMB, I am agreeing with you;

The Republicans are liberal and the Dems are conservative.

Just a note; The Republicans were the liberals/progressive party until Taft. That's why TR left the Republican party. The Democrats and the Republics switched places during the first half of the 20th century.

TMB, the point is that the "Democrats" (actually "Diziecrats") who voted against the Civil Rights act, and who fought staunchly against any advancement for anyone except white Anglo-Protestant Christians, turned away from the Democrats and found their ideological home in the REPUBLICAN Party within a couple decades of this act (and good riddance to them!). If Adolf Hitler were still alive and affiliated with the Democrats (although why he would be since the Republican party would be much more his style), he wouldn't be a Nazi, he'd be a Democrat. This ultra-conservative, segregationist, racist splinter group of the Democratic Party didn't change their ideology, they just changed their party affiliation and, to a large extent, they're STILL Republicans. If you've noticed lately, the South is a Republican stronghold, not Democratic.

So what have the Dems done for civil rights? Well, I guess for one thing we got rid of Strom Thurmon to the Republicans so he could stop weighing us down....

Yes, OP109, I understand your point, as I did the first time. You’re still painting with a broad brush stroke. A few bad eggs switching party lines does not make a party of racists. What percentage of people voting Republican do you believe are actually voting based on racism?

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