by Glenn Thrush
LAS VEGAS -- Barack Obama is starting to slip into his speeches a disputed account of a secret 20-year plan for both Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton to win the White House.
“I’m not in this race to fulfill some long-held plan or because it was owed to me,” Obama told a gathering of Nevada Democrats after Thursday night’s Las Vegas debate.
That was a veiled reference to an account by biographers Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta that the Clintons sealed a “secret pact of ambition” to both win the presidency, which has been vehemently denied by Clinton advisers.
Asked if Obama was referring to the pact, a spokeswoman replied: “Barack Obama has not been mapping out his run for president from Washington for the last 20 years like some of his opponents.”
Clinton spokesman Blake Zeff responded, “This is an odd statement, considering that the number of people who say Senator Obama talked about running for president as a youngster seems to grow daily.”
Glenn Thrush reports for Newsday, a Tribune Co. newspaper.







Comments
Of course the two Clintons had a pact. Everybody knows that. Why would a modern American woman not want her freedom from a man who was, as Gerald Ford perceptively saw, "a sex addict?" Was it Wifely devotion? No. Love? Uh, no. Helplessness? Hardly. Hypnotic spell? Uh, uh. And tweren't the bonds of a woman to her pimp. 9 out of 10 intelligent, well educated, well raised, independent woman would have cut loose from big Bill and stretched out on her own to pursue her own dreams. Naw, not Hillary. She is cashing in her chips on the deal she must have made with Billy.
These two are very clever, to their credit. They see how Americans are absolutely, and intractably divided and learned how to navigate the political waters by playing in the middle. When it is convenient to go left or right they know the best way to paddle. For example, their ability to play the Black card to get many African Americans to simply adore them without really giving up anything tangible is a master stroke. Being able to withstand years of an administration full of scandal and decisions such as NAFTA says more about American's inability to separate fiction from reality than the Clinton's ability to govern.
The Obama campaign should stay away from the issue of a pact unless they have some concrete proof. Instead they should emphasize the detriment to this country of being ruled by a dynasty, successive families with mediocre governance.
Posted by: GW | November 17, 2007 9:57 AM
That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. I'm referring to both of the people above me.
I guess it always has to be a nefarious conspiracy when a loser is losing. Barack Obama is unelectable and always has been. The only reason he succeeded in getting a senate position is because the only person running against him was Alan Keyes. So essentially he ran unopposed. As a Chicagoan myself, I am offended by Obama's springboarding, especially when he tries to present himself as an Illinoisan, when in fact he was born and raised in upper-crust Honolulu.
The fact that for the last 8 years the democratic party has not had a single credible candidate to run for president, and the fact that it's a double-circus this year, with the black guy and the non-guy, completely guarantees that the next president will be Giuliani.
Posted by: Fred | November 17, 2007 11:14 AM
Oh, Fred, that's the problem with some of you "Chicagoans." Just so provincial. If it ain't from Back of Da Yahds it ain't Chicago. Grow up and broaden your perspective. Remember there was a time when His Honuh da Mayuh's kith and kin were not of, by, and about Chicawgo. Remember what is stupid in one person's eyes is a revelation in the eyes of others. I suppose if Obama grew up eating bread crusts out of garbage cans on the Westside he would be ok with you, huh? I suppose it's ok wit you that Da Don Giuliani ain't from Chicawgo either, huh?
Posted by: GW | November 17, 2007 12:23 PM
In response to Blake Zeff's pointing to the fact that, as a youngster, Barack Obama talked about running for president.
What silliness! There are scores of youngsters in America who talk about running for president.
A young person talking about becoming president is a far cry from an adult setting their life's course with eyes narrowly fixed on the ultimate political prize. Any honest politician will tell you that they possess ambition. The question is what they do with it. Is their ambition ultimately self-serving, or is their ambition directed toward making things fundamentally better for all people?
It's known that Barack Obama's mother worked on instilling a healthy self esteem in her son. And her great kindness and belief in justice carry over to her son and his life's work.
I don't know what Hillary Clinton wants. I know that Barack Obama's path has been directed his entire adult life to making meaningful improvement in folks' lives.
Posted by: EJButler | November 17, 2007 12:32 PM
Yet another sign of desperation from the Obama campaign. Obama and Edwards seem to be competing on who can run the most negative and personal campaign. The voters want and deserve a discussion of issues. Hillary Clinton is winning because she’s talking about issues and not negative personal attacks. But, as she showed at the debate this week, she will shoot down any mud slinging and she did so very effectively. She makes Obama and Edwards look like the amateurs they are.
Posted by: csh | November 17, 2007 12:44 PM
The next President should be not be A Noun+Verb+9-1-1? Is that all you wanna vote for?
Posted by: christ F | November 17, 2007 1:10 PM
Nobody knows where Hillary stands. Every time someone asks her, she laughs it off, makes a joke, or says "You know where I've stood for 35 years." She's flip flopped so much lately though, that it's impossible to tell. She is garbage, and I will re-register as an independent if she gets the nomination.
At least Barack is honest. Look at where he devoted his life. That's the kind of person we need running this country.
Posted by: Angel | November 17, 2007 2:37 PM
"That was a veiled reference"....
How do you know?
With or Without a pact, Hillary STILL comes off as smug and with a sense of entitlement.
Don't put words into Obama's mouth he didn't say.
Posted by: jds | November 17, 2007 2:39 PM
Some people will buy into that alleged secret pact, but it's not necessary to do so to understand Senator Clinton's ambition. We've arrived at a unique, pivotal moment when it is, in fact, conceivable that the electorate of the U.S could put into the Oval Office somebody not already a part of the Old White Boys Insider network. If it was clearer that Senator Clinton wasn't the next-best thing she'd have a virtual lock on the nomination and the office - but not all those willing to vote for "a" woman are ready to vote for this one, and by luck of the draw she's come up against a person, in Senator Barack Obama, who is clearly not an insider.
So, we play out a bona fide race on the part of the Democrats, who have clearly realized that a new order is afoot. Senator Clinton's challenge is how to look like she can surf atop the wave of change despite having staked part of her appeal on her connections to the past.
Questions about her jewelry don't help.
In a cycle when the voters are actually startlingly engaged and looking for nuances, the so-called debates have increasingly become indictments of the debate "moderators." The Republicans may anoint a divorced, obviously tainted candidate, and the Democrats are poised to select either a man of color or a woman, and realistically the voters only have until February 5th to work it out in their respective party processes.
Yet the important things to cover are, "Does the Senator from NY have ambition?" and "Did people actually hear the Senator from IL say, as a child, he wanted to be President?"
I'm not surprised that anybody campaigning for such a powerful office has staff trying to spin virtually every issue to their own advantage. I am, however, chagrined that putative journalists appear reduced to taking such pronouncements at face value and letting anecdotal comments - such as this one - be held up as being somehow significant.
Posted by: TH | November 17, 2007 4:07 PM
Everyone in the IL Senate knew Barrack wanted to run for higher office. That is why he took painstaking steps to never vote on anything at all controversial. He didnt vote yes or noe he always voted present in IL an anything that seems somewhat controversial. He is the biggest hypocrite in polotics today. Thank God no one outside IL is buying his garbage as he is getting trounced by Hillary. Barack Shares are selling for 18cents while Hillary are selling for 72 cents. That is the best predicter of races in the country.
Posted by: Vinny | November 17, 2007 4:29 PM
I don't find anything wrong with having goals and aspirations. What troubles me is the Machiavellian method Hillery uses.
Posted by: short sharp shock | November 17, 2007 6:23 PM
what we need is someone, anyone, that can bring us together, and it aint a bush or a clinton that can do it. if hillary wins, america loses, because half will hate her, no matter what. by the look of things, i will vote for me.
Posted by: jim | November 17, 2007 6:37 PM
My comment has not been posted.
Posted by: GK in OKC | November 17, 2007 6:38 PM
Sorry, but I simply cannot vote for a presidential candidate who attended a madrassah as a child, and has absolutely no leadership credentials.
Posted by: Jan | November 17, 2007 6:40 PM
Obama thinks the Clintons are madly ambitious and manipulative.
Hillary thinks Obama is madly ambitious, and hypocritical.
For once, both speak the truth.
Posted by: Bruce | November 17, 2007 6:46 PM
Who else is tired of the BUSH/CLINTON junta? Do we really live in a Federal Republic or Democracy. It looks more like a Kingdom ruled by 2 families that have held the White House back to the Reagan years. STOP the 2 ROYAL FAMILIES -vote for OBAMA!
Posted by: MIKE | November 17, 2007 7:04 PM
Hillary Clinton is one of the most vicious people in this country's history. I am amazed at how people have rewritten the history of the Clinton Whitehouse. Rove learned his dirty politics at the feet of James Carville and the Clinton machine. Hillary still carries a lot of baggage from that era, everything from wrecked reputation to invasions of privacy and flat out illegal tactics to twart the "bimbo eruptions" to unanswered questions about the missing files, the firing of people at the travel office. Bush is an awful president, but Clinton will make him look downright good.
Posted by: Mike Brooks | November 17, 2007 7:20 PM
I am tired of voting for people I do not trust and people who look down their nose at me.!!! IF OBAMA DOES NOT GET THE NOMINATION. I WILL PENCIL HIS NAME IN AND VOTE FOR HIM ANYWAY. "IT IS BETTER TO DIE LIKE FREE SPARTAN THAN LIVE FOREVER AS A PERSIAN DOG!!!!!" - UNKNOWN GREEK WARRIOR. OBAMA IN 08" THE REST OF YOU CAN GO HONOR YOUR LIBERTY, FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS AS YOU SEE FIT!!! THE DEMOCRATS NEED ME I DO NOT NEED THEM!!!
Posted by: wolf | November 17, 2007 7:29 PM
I wish we could keep Bush for another 4 years. I'm afraid if the Democrats get in - we're going to be in big trouble. They are weak on Terror, and weak on keeping taxes low. The only thing (IMO) that Bush is weak on is throwing out all these illegal (aka criminal) aliens. GET THEM OUT OF HERE!
Posted by: Ken | November 17, 2007 7:42 PM
All you Clinton lovers should read the book The Final Days by Barbara Olson.You will find out what slime balls the Clintons really are.Slick Hilly is worse than Slick Willy.They believe they are above the law and the real money the Clinton administration cost the taxpayers.
Posted by: JACK | November 17, 2007 7:45 PM
It's so much fun reading the two Lefty camps battle it out. On one side we have the Queen B's Camp. These are largely made up of people who like the Clintoons because they are corrupt and dirty to the corp.
On the other side we have the Barack Camp. These consist largely of liberal whites who want to feel good about themselves, so they threw their support behind someone who has less experience to be president than the neighborhood dog catcher. But as long as these liberal whites feel good about themselves, that's all that matters.
Posted by: John D | November 17, 2007 7:46 PM
the clintons are a couple of liars, and cheaters, i wish they would just go away by way of jfk.
Posted by: jack | November 17, 2007 7:53 PM
Doesn't anyone question what "experience" Hillary speaks of? If they were running for First Lady, she wins hands down. They are not. What was George's experience? I guess we all know the answer to that. I am a Democrat, but will never vote for Hillary. She is "OLD" Guard playing the same old game. It is time for a change. If not Obama, there are many other choices and as long as the Conservative Media continues this BLITZ that Hillary is the one, that she can't be beat and That she is the ONLY chioce, we'll end up with another Republican in the office of President. How sad. WHAT HAS HILLARY DONE FOR YOU LATELY? Nothing! Let's change America and give our children a chance. Hillary is not the answer. I am not a Obama plant! I am a desperate American looking for a different direction-AREN'T YOU TOO??
Posted by: mike | November 17, 2007 8:03 PM
WAKE UP AMERICA ! THESE ARE THE "CLINTONS".. BE CAREFUL WHO YOU VOTE FOR ,, YOU MIGHT BE VERY VERY SORRY !!
Posted by: carole | November 17, 2007 8:13 PM
This is a great discussion.
On one side, Hillary the great manipulator. The other side, absolute socialist Obama. Then there is Rudy the adulterer, asleep at the wheel Thompson, McCain the broken man, Biden the bigmouth, Edwards the ambulance chaser, holier than thou Romney, nobody Richardson, ignored Hunter, funny sounding Huckabee and sharing the same tin-foil umbrella is Kucinich and Ron Paul. Did I forget someone? Oh yeah, Tancredo. Sorry Tom, not a chance. What a country! Personally I like Obama. Just not for president. Dangerously naive, and far to left wing. Hillary? I shudder to think of what the Clinton Secret Police will be doing if she gains power. There is absolutely no question that she is on a major power trip with an entitlement mentality. I'd put my money on Romney, if I wanted Ned Flanders running the country. You know, maybe Fred Thompson has the right attitude. At least we'd be well entertained during the state of the union speech.
Posted by: Tim | November 17, 2007 8:33 PM
Shillary...nope
Obama...nope
Rudy...nope
McCain...nope
its time for new genes in the whitehouse, someone with character, someone with guts, someone with leadership skills, someone with new ideas, a true american that believes in
America!
Joe Arpaio for president!!!
Posted by: roosevelt nelson | November 17, 2007 8:40 PM
Hillary insidiously sought to use her position as wife of a president to worm her way into contention for chief executive. Her "success" (to the detriment of us all, about to make the US a laughing stock on the level of argentina) is a testament to the raw abuse of power by a closely knit group of Washington insiders, among the most partisan, machiavellian personalities in the history of American politics. Karl Rove is shrewder and smarter, but in no way as extreme in the willingness to do anything, say anything to take power.
Posted by: apetra | November 17, 2007 8:56 PM
The Dems and their fighting with each other--It doesn't get any better than this!
Posted by: LB | November 17, 2007 9:07 PM
Two things wrong with this theory...first, mrs. clinton WILL do anything to be president. Second, she, and she alone will rule if this happens.
Mr. Clinton has a bad heart. He should be afraid of this woman. Do you think her ego will let her be 'second' even though she's prez? I don't think so. She will 'kill bill' and be queen because king always trumps queen and she won't have it that way. Payback are a bitch so mr. clinton had better think twice about what he's wishing for. He shouldn't let her near his meds, etc. KILL BILL is her real motive.
Posted by: flojo | November 17, 2007 9:52 PM
Democrats are weak against terrorists, and strong against the Unborn. The first thing Hillary will do if elected President (God forbid) is release all Guantanamo terrorists, and Jose Padilla the Puerto Rican Taliban from federal jail.
The Clintons continue to receive dirty communist Chinese money and no one is investigating them. The Clintons advanced China's military machine by at least 30 years! They sold them advanced satellite guidance technology, and let them "steal" the blueprints for W-88 miniaturized nuclear warheads, all in exchange for re-election donations.They sold US security out. Now thanks to them China is threatening the US with nukes from missiles and submarines.
The Clintons respect Islamo-Fascists and they were buddies with the "Godfather of Modern Day Suicide Bombing, and Plane Hijacking: Mr Yassir Arafat himself.
The Clintons are also socialists-in-disguise. Hillary has stated that when she becomes President she will re-distribute the profits from "Big Oil" companies.
In 2001 after Gore lost the elections, Mrs. Billary stated that she would fight to "control" the Internet, as it helped sway the election towards W. Bush. She is also behind the movement to shut down talk radio, with the badly named "fairness doctrine",which is anything but.
They claim to be for "negotiation". Yet in WACO they barely used it, instead choosing to bust in the compound, and thus directly or indirectly setting of the incineration of almost 100 American Christians, including 23 "children".
The Clintons already had their 8 years in power. Just cause they are lawyers they believe they have found a "loop-hole" to violate term limits. Everyone knows that if Hillary is elected it shall be Bill the "Lying King" and alleged rapist of Juanita Broaderick who will have even more time to play with interns, and wreck more havoc inside the White House. They have tarnished this great land enough. Hillary cannot even control her own husband, how on Earth will she control Islamo-Fascists who have ZERO respect towards women? "It Takes A Village Of Deaf, Dumb, and Blind", to still believe in the Clintons.
Posted by: Bernie Medina | November 17, 2007 9:53 PM
To Jan... Obama did not attend a madrasa. This story was debunked 6+ months ago. Get with the program.
Whether people in the IL state Senate knew or not that Obama wanted to run for President I can't say. But I think we all knew that her run for the Senate was just a stepping stone to a White House run. I mean, she moved to NY specifically to run for the Senate. At least Obama actually lived in IL for a significant portion of his life. Hillary just needed a good place from which to run. She's as much a New Yorker as I am
Posted by: keith | November 17, 2007 10:03 PM
I think this sounds too much like a vast left-wing conspiracy. And even the Clintons did have some kind of "pact", what of it? This is a total non-issue.
Posted by: trademark registration | November 17, 2007 10:06 PM
Did it bother anybody that Obama said in the Las Vegas debate that he wants to open schools in Iraq and teach them science and math? It seems to me that it would be more education with which to make bombs.
Also, he very briefly mentioned managing the chronically ill. Maybe it's an innocent remark and he wants to take care of them, or could it be that his method of managing the chronically ill might be a little more sinister. I don't know....it has just been bothering me.
One other thing. I'm not a radical right wing, as a matter of fact, I am a registered Democrat, but it also bothers me that he professes to be a Christian, but was adamant about taking his oath on the Koran. Call me patriotic, but I just can't fathom our President being sworn in on the Koran. Is there a good choice for a Democratic president? I truly don't know who to vote for, but I don't believe I can vote for Obama in good conscience.
Posted by: Brenda | November 17, 2007 10:12 PM
The one Democrat with the most diverse and substantial experience is Bill Richardson:
Congressman
Secretary of Energy Dept.
UN Ambassador
Governor
For a real change in American politics, a ticket of Richardson and Obama is the choice.
Posted by: Biminim | November 17, 2007 10:16 PM
Hillary may have held the position of first lady, but she no lady. She is a political android programmed to achieve power at any cost. Her vision is blurry and her values are non-existent. She is a professional weather sock that will blow in any direction the political winds dictate. If she becomes president the USA is finished. There will likely be a civil war during her tenure and she will respond with draconian measures that will null and void the constitution.
Better to have a republican in there. They are, by far, the lessor of two evils.
The biggest evil on the planet is the virus of the Islamo boys and Guiliani will be more willing to kill them than Hillary or anyone else will.
I am a Canadian and Hillary scares the hell out of me.
The US president is my president too by virtue of the fact the fact that Canada is merely a folder on the American hard drive and I want virus protection.
Posted by: John West | November 17, 2007 10:17 PM
Hillary has an all-consuming ambition to become President. A little thing like smearing Obama's personal reputation will not stop her. If she could summon Nazi Brown Shirts to march up Broadway and beat up her political opponents, she would do it in a heartbeat.
I am not at all surprised at Hillary's maneuver to smear Obama. What she wants is to administer a coupe de grace to Obama in advance of Iowa's Democrat primary vote. If she can win overwhelmingly in Iowa, she will carry that momentum to New Hampshire and secure the Democrat nomination by February 2008. Then she can focus on destroying whoever will run against her in the general election. It all starts with smearing Obama.
Then watch Hitlerly turn the USA into Nazi Germany.
Posted by: Patrick C. | November 17, 2007 10:19 PM
Give me your money! Hsu fly Queen. The odious excretion of a pimple waiting to burst. Devious wench supporter of lecherous pervert.
Posted by: gman | November 17, 2007 10:38 PM
Let's do the right thing and
make sure the Clinton's don't
return to the white house. It
is our house, not theirs. They
are not entitled to it. We can
do so much better than these
two. They believe in only them
selves. They are true elitists
and could not make that more
plain. They're scary. They are
a package.
Posted by: John | November 17, 2007 10:40 PM
Maybe the "secret" Novak bomshell the Clinton campaign is about to drop is that Obama is becoming paranoid. Because he embraced Novak's bizarre blind item. Consider the source. I sense an eager need-to-be is hitching his wagon to the star of a bitter old man with no more CNN pulpit, just a column that outs CIA agents and puts GOP loyalists in jail (almost.) C'mon, Obama.
You're like bland Thanksgiving mashed yams. A little more time in the oven and whole lot more seasoning. Then you'll be just fine. Not in '08. Maybe '16.
Posted by: marks | November 17, 2007 10:52 PM
When I was a little boy I wanted to be a cowboy. Then, I wanted to be a soldier so I could kill our enemies. Both my dreams came true, because I became President of the United States.
Posted by: George Bush | November 17, 2007 11:08 PM
Wake up do you want more of the mess about how many women Bill is sleeping with an how many people Hillary was suppose to have cared about allege to have died because they didnt play by her rules i wonder who s going to be under the desk this time lock up the interns here comes old Bill
Posted by: Audrey | November 17, 2007 11:11 PM
Hope Obama's, whether boxers or briefs, are made of azzbestos
Posted by: Albert | November 17, 2007 11:11 PM
I think Obama might have a clue and so might the reporter. I don't put it past Billary to dig up dirt on any opponent. If there is dirt and Obama becomes a real threat you can bet Clinton Co. will have it released.
Posted by: KYRed | November 17, 2007 11:12 PM
HILLARY IS A SWEET INNNCOENT LITTLE BABE IN THE WOODS:
CONSTANT
UNIFORM
NICE
TESTED
SHE IS THE NEXT ??????
Posted by: Jack Meoffe | November 17, 2007 11:16 PM
Obama and Edwards will keep attacking HRC as long as it works to lower her numbers. Unfortunately for them, they are unelectable in a general campaign. Obama's race, name and inexperience will do him in with independents and Republican. Edwards didn't even win his own state in the last election and will fade after Iowa. Hillary is a risk, but she has the best chance of a Democrat winning in 2008. A Hillary/Rudy race will be the nastiest campaign ever run.
Posted by: tim | November 17, 2007 11:23 PM
O'bama has been smoking crack for the last 20 years and of course had no Presidencial Plan. Neither has one now.
Posted by: Charles Frost | November 18, 2007 12:10 AM
FOR THE "SELF-APPOINTED, KNOW-ALL" ROBERT MORROW: IT APPEARS THAT YOU READ A LOT OF TRASHY BOOKS. HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK THAT ACCUSES RONALD REAGAN OF RAPING THE 19 YEAR KID STARLIT SELENE WALTERS; SINCE YOU SEEM TO PORTRAY YOURSELF AS AN AUTHORITY ON WHO RAPES WHOM?
Posted by: RENE PEIZERAT | November 18, 2007 12:33 AM
obama qui now- ur too young and no expreience plus u bullying clitnon u and edwards are complte- u think u can degarde the frist lady no way jose.
Posted by: laura | November 18, 2007 12:44 AM
I respect Senator Obama but I would be amazed if he didn't have a burning desire to be the President of the United States for many many years. Why not? It shows strong ambition,narrowly focused, high motivation, clarity of purpose.... all qualities I would expect in a position of leadership.
Posted by: gibbs williams | November 18, 2007 12:47 AM
Yes, the Clintons are slime, but you know what? They are lucky, and Hillary will be elected president in 2008. They couldn't run in a better year. Hillary doesn't have any real serious opposition for the nomination, and with the GOP in the Bushean doghouse and a coming subprime recession in 2008, any dem nominee is guaranteed to win. All they have to do is avoid serious mistakes. The MSM knows this, and will not do anything to anger Hillary too much b/c they know she can really screw them once she has the power.
Posted by: Andrew P | November 18, 2007 1:25 AM
One thing Robert Morrow didn't mention is the Clinton cover up of the connections between the Oaklahoma City bombing and Sadam's Republican guard. Clinton reportedly called his buddies in the media and told them it wouldn't be good for his re-election if word got out. Why do you think NYT called for Timothy McVey's death sentence when they're opposed to the death penalty for perverts and serial killers etc.? Please people, don't vote for those evil Clintons to get back in the White House! God help us all.
Kathy Rich
Posted by: kathy rich | November 18, 2007 1:29 AM
One thing Robert Morrow didn't mention is the Clinton cover up of the connections between the Oaklahoma City bombing and Sadam's Republican guard. Clinton reportedly called his buddies in the media and told them it wouldn't be good for his re-election if word got out. Why do you think NYT called for Timothy McVey's death sentence when they're opposed to the death penalty for perverts and serial killers etc.? Please people, don't vote for those evil Clintons to get back in the White House! God help us all.
Kathy Rich
Posted by: kathy rich | November 18, 2007 1:29 AM
Man, Barack. I don't know what to say, dog.
Is this really what it's come to? Is this the only arrow left in your quiver?
I am disappointed, and I don't mean that facetiously. I thought there was a there there.
Really man, is this all you got?!!
Posted by: Biggdawg | November 18, 2007 1:43 AM
I wish our next American President could be a WOMAN. Unfortunately, none are running.
Posted by: NOT a fan of HRC | November 18, 2007 1:45 AM
Hey, Rush Limbaugh stated that some Interviewer should ask this simple but true question to Hillary Clinton: Why if Bill Clinton wasnt loyal to you while married to you, then why should we (Americans) be loyal to you?
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Posted by: fred price | November 18, 2007 2:59 AM
Thank you for the entertainment of your comments.
Posted by: Pete Fuller | November 18, 2007 3:27 AM
The far Left wants to elect Hillary Clinton not because she would make a good leader or even because she represents traditional Democrat values, but because it would humiliate the Republicans. It is personal, it is an attack, and it is directed at every SUV-driving, NASCAR-watching, gun-owning and church-going white male that they have been convinced is the enemy and the ultimate source of their discontent.
What will actually happen is that the Democrats will take a beating on the order of McGovern, because there is not one American who falls into any of those categories that will not come out and vote for the Republican candidate on Election Day. And the flood of women who will secretly vote for Hillary and not tell their husbands? Funny, I remember hearing something like that about Geraldine Ferraro in 1984.
What the Democrats need to do is nominate a legitimate statesman, not a circus performer or comic book villain. That way Americans can have a real selection of ideas to choose from, not just voting against someone they loathe. Of the top tier Democrat candidates, Barack Obama is the only one who fits that bill. He is a young man, a likable man and anyone who votes against him will do so because he thinks the Republican has a better idea, not out of fear that he will destroy the country. And if Obama wins, he will not be resisted or hated as Hillary would.
Posted by: Mike | November 18, 2007 3:30 AM
Hillary is beginning to resemble Richard Nixon in drag.
And, why not? She took notes while serving as a Congressional staffer during the Watergate hearings. Don't believe me? Take a look at Haldeman's testimony ("I don't recall" repeated over and over again), then compare her testimony about Whitewater, et. al. She learned from the masters of dirty tricks, long before Carville and his goons began their own "politics of destruction."
It's not surprising that HRC has "scandalous information" about Obama. What's surprising is that she hasn't leaked it before now.
She may be elected, but she may also go the way of Nixon. And that would be the supreme irony.
And a fitting end to all things Clinton.
Posted by: ixydxy | November 18, 2007 4:51 AM
Miss Hillary, AKA PIAPS (Pig In A Pantsuit) is no more qualified to be President of this country than cartoon Kucinich. When terrorism is the most important issue facing this country and CNN makes sure the most important PLANTED question put to the Queen PIAPS IS DIAMOND or PEARLS?? this country is in deep trouble. And the Smartest Woman in the World could not even answer that. Why my Jack Russell is smarter than her. I'll match him up with all the other Democratic dogs running.
Posted by: HELEN MACK | November 18, 2007 5:00 AM
Should Queen "HITLERy" get elected, will Sen Ted Chappaquiddick give her a ride down Pennsylvania ave in his soggy Oldsmobile?
Posted by: Paul Revere | November 18, 2007 6:46 AM
I had to "explain" the Clintons to my kids when they were growing up. Now am I going to have to "explain" the Clintons to my grandchildren?
Posted by: Chris Burr | November 18, 2007 7:20 AM
Prez Hillary gives this country a serious case of buyer's remorse.
Posted by: Larry from Purdue | November 18, 2007 7:22 AM
Wow! You Dems are up against a hard decision: the Queen of Sleaze vs the Prince of Cliche.
Posted by: Dr. Bob | November 18, 2007 7:38 AM
Wow! You Dems are up against a hard decision: the Queen of Sleaze vs the Prince of Cliche.
Posted by: Dr. Bob | November 18, 2007 7:42 AM
The democrats sure don't have much of a bench. Its hard to imagine anyone in their right mind handing over the reins of the US government to Dennis Kusinich. The party of the proletariate will do their best to turn America into a communist state come hell or high water...
Posted by: dlb | November 18, 2007 7:54 AM
Does anyone really believe anything the Clintons say?
Posted by: James | November 18, 2007 8:01 AM
won't vote for obama because he attended a madrassah? all his support comes from guilty white liberals who want to feel better about themselves by supporting a black man?
what an intellectual debate going on in these comments. if this is any indication of how the general population of america is thinking, you guys are gonna be up the creek without a paddle for another four years.
i'm just gonna hang out north of your border and count my canadian currency. keep that economy goin', i'm saving a ton with the exchange rates.
Posted by: liz | November 18, 2007 8:04 AM
Well lets see. You have Billary, Barack "Hussain" Obama, and a Hypocritical Ambulance chaser. Who is the lesser of three evils in this party?
Posted by: ruckus | November 18, 2007 8:46 AM
What still disturbs me of the Clinton's actions is the facile way the Vince Foster's death was deemed a suicide. Did not one of VF's sons who claimed his dad murdered was himself murdered?
Posted by: Joseph Heath | November 18, 2007 8:49 AM
Ask not what you can do for your country: Ask what your country can do for you.
Remember when clintons went to watch the Glenn-payoff-space-mission take off? The male clinton was so excited. He told the world that he and hillary, upon their election, sat down together and written down all of the things they that wanted to do--perks they wanted--while reigning. The male clinton was so proud as he bragged that hillary had wanted to see a space launch. His joy at being able to give her this was almost giddy...no, it WAS giddy!Not only do these grifters have a pentultimate greed, they don't even know that it is wrong! He was bragging about it to the us--those who paid the price of their eight-year-orgy-of-greed.
Posted by: bannie | November 18, 2007 8:54 AM
I love to see the Dems trashing each other, but when it comes down to it, all of you will vote for Madame Cackle because she is dem.
Posted by: Guido | November 18, 2007 9:10 AM
Gerth is not an authority about anything Clinton-related. He's an idiot -- his stories claimed all kinds of criminal nonsense about the Clintons during the nineties, and everything he said was a lie. "Biographer" Gerth now? Biographer? Hmm. I guess anyone can get respect in this world, if they wait until everyone's forgotten their real job, which is ... hack.
Posted by: Barton Fink | November 18, 2007 9:11 AM
I think Barak's intentions are far more credible than anything Clinton's have to say. It's as though you have to start every Clinton sentence with an * so that it's clear to all that it is focus grouped, studied, and not genuinely reflective of the fact that she and Bill are a pair of sociopathic Marxists.
At least Barak is a sensitive socialist.
Posted by: Ed T | November 18, 2007 9:15 AM
Look folks. Its right in front of you and nobody is talking about it.
Barak Obama will be President Hillary Clinton's VP.
People, in 2003, when out of the blue, CNN spot lighted this young, Illinois senator at the Democratic National Convention, I knew then, as I am saying now, they started grooming him.
He was unknown. Then out of the blue, he appears just at the right moment.
It is no secret that Hillary has been planning this presidential run since the early 80's.
And we all stood by 3 years ago while she insisted that she would NOT consider a run for the White House.
You knew she was lying. You just knew.
So why the deception? Because it is the Clinton Way.
Do you think for one moment that there is some coincidence that Barak was spotlighted as the Clintons took the stage at that Convention?
Shortly after seeing that, I tried to register Clintonobama.com and various other combinations of the names. Low and behold, they had already been taken and registered by individuals from the DC area about 2 months prior.
I am not the only one with the idea, folks. Think about it. What better way to get votes from Women and Blacks?
And, the unfortunate issue here is that this 08 White House is already set in stone. Hillary WILL be elected. Obama WILL be her VP.
I am moving my family off of this continent and will return when she is gone.
What's Wrong America?
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Posted by: Xavier Holden | November 18, 2007 9:49 AM
Senator Clinton is an ambitious, scheming politician who is driven by a lust for power. My question is, why would anyone consider this remarkable? Isn't this the very definition of anyone who would run for President of the United States?
Posted by: Marty | November 18, 2007 9:57 AM
Of course the Clinton's have planned there campaign for power for years. Read the Clinton Chronicles to see how they financed their campaign and how obvious and vicious they are in their campaign.
Here's the full, official transcript of the video which woke up America, THE CLINTON CHRONICLES. Our thanks to James Shannon "jamesjs@unixg.ubc.CA" for providing this transcript. We urge you to re-post it widely.
John Whitley, Editor
NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
THE CLINTON CHRONICLES:
INVESTIGATION INTO THE ALLEGED CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES OF BILL CLINTON
OFFICIAL VIDEO TRANSCRIPT - CITIZENS FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT
THE FOLLOWING INVESTIGATIVE REPORT IS A PRESENTATION OF CITIZENS' VIDEO PRESS, A DIVISION OF CITIZENS FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT CITIZENS FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT IS A NON-PARTISAN ORGANIZATION DESIGNED TO ALERT THE PUBLIC ABOUT DISHONESTY AND CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENT
JOHN BROWN (Former Saline Country Criminal Investigator): I'm John Brown, a sixteen year law enforcement veteran from the state of Arkansas. The Clinton Chronicles was originally released in June of 1994. The videotape had a very big impact, according to some, on the 1994 elections. The Chronicles was put together because there were several people, not only in Arkansas, but across the nation, that had documented evidence of criminal activity that involved Bill and Hillary Clinton. That evidence was never allowed to be in court. The media refused to expose this evidence.
The people who prepared this film took the time and the effort to allow the people and the investigators involved to bring the evidence to you, the people, to view. What you're about to see you're not going to believe.
Some of you will say, "How could this happen?" All I ask you to do is sit back, view what we have and listen to what we have to say. You make your own judgment.
THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM IS RECOMMENDED FOR MATURE AUDIENCES
NARRATOR: ON JANUARY 20TH, 1993, WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON BECAME THE 42ND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AT THE TIME, MOST AMERICANS WERE NOT AWARE OF THE EXTENT OF CLINTON'S CRIMINAL BACKGROUND, NOR WERE THEY AWARE OF THE MEDIA BLACKOUT WHICH KEPT THIS INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC.
AS STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND LATER, GOVERNOR, BILL CLINTON IN TWELVE YEARS ACHIEVED ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER THE POLITICAL, LEGAL AND FINANCIAL SYSTEMS OF ARKANSAS. AS PRESIDENT, HE WOULD ATTEMPT TO DO THE SAME WITH THE NATION BY BRINGING MEMBERS OF HIS INNER CIRCLE WITH HIM TO WASHINGTON.
THE HIJACKING OF AMERICA WAS UNDER WAY, AND ITS IMPACT ON FUTURE GENERATIONS WOULD BE INCALCULABLE.
CITIZENS FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT PRESENTS
THE CLINTON CHRONICLES
ALL INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PROGRAM IS DOCUMENTED AND TRUE
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON (Former Arkansas State Senator and State Supreme Court Justice): Bill Clinton was born in Hope, and of course raised in Hot Springs. They had open bawdy houses over there at the time, and they had open gambling at the time. But Clinton grew up in that, in that atmosphere, that different atmosphere of Hot Springs. If it felt good, you did it.
He was selected to go to the National from Arkansas Boys State to be a delegate to the National Boys State. And while he was there he was able to meet John Kennedy, and I'm sure that sparked an ambition in this young man. And he apparently has always had an exceptional keen mind, keen intellect. And he has, he early, evidently, had tremendous ambition. He was gifted in so many ways. The truth is, he is one of the most charming men that I've ever met in my life.
He has more energy than, than any ten people I've ever known. He was able to network himself into running for Attorney General virtually unopposed. And then he was able to take that position and catapult himself into the Governor's office two years later, and started building his foundation.
NORA WAYE (Former business partner of Bill Clinton's stepfather): When you think about Bill Clinton's aversion to the truth, you wonder if this is because of the lackadaisical moral background that he's had in this area. He lied about Rhodes, being a Rhodes scholar. He never completed that, and still said he was a Rhodes scholar. He went to Moscow, and did business with them against the United States government, and he wasn't challenged by the press about that. In Arkansas, while he was Governor, he said he balanced the budget eleven times. He never did it once. Also he said he didn't raise taxes, and he raised taxes 126 times.
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: He can accommodate any situation that comes up, because he's not hemmed in by the truth. I've never felt that Clinton consciously, or unconsciously was hemmed in with morality.
LARRY NICHOLS (Former Director of Marketing for the Arkansas Development Finance Authority): I first met Bill Clinton in the mid to late 70's. He was an "up and coming" politician. There were a group of us, Jim Guy Tucker, Bill Clinton, Sheffield Nelson and myself. And we kind of ran around and palled around with each other. It was from that point that I did a lot of projects for Bill from a marketing perspective. In 1988 I went to Bill and I said, "I need a job to kind of relax, mellow out." Bill Clinton and Betsy Wright, they suggested that I go to work for a place called the Arkansas Development Finance Authority, and they said my talents could really be used there. It was the best kept secret in Arkansas.
After about two weeks I went to Wooten Epps and I said, "Wooten, I think I've got enough background on this that we can start marketing it. Now, what is the criteria for loans?" He said, "Whoever Bill wants to get a loan."
To go back, though, to that moment in time, I'd been there about a month, and I realized that I was in the epicenter of what I'd always heard about all my life, what most people have heard about is the "machine." I was literally working, sitting in the middle of Bill Clinton's political machine. It was where he made payoffs, where he repaid favors to people for campaign support. I was in an interesting seat, and I knew it.
We had a board meeting. In that particular board meeting I was sitting at the end of the table. James Branyan, who was chairman of the board at that time, was sitting at the head of the table. James Branyan stood up in a public restaurant, and he hollered at the Beverly Enterprises guy, Bobby Stephens, and said, "Did you get the $50,000 campaign contribution from the client that you're introducing the loan for?" He said, "Not yet." And he said, "Then, hold up the loan until you get it." I stood up, went up to James and I said, "James, don't yell stuff like that. You don't need to be yelling it in a restaurant. That sounds real bad." He was just burly and arrogant and he said, "Who cares?"
NARRATOR: BILL CLINTON SOLD THE CONCEPT OF ADFA TO THE PEOPLE OF ARKANSAS AS A VEHICLE FOR CREATING JOBS AND ASSISTING CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS. IN REALITY, MILLIONS OF TAXPAYER-GUARANTEED DOLLARS WERE BEING CHANNELED TO CLINTON'S ELECTION CAMPAIGNS, TO HIS INNER CIRCLE OF FRIENDS, AND TO HIS WIFE, HILLARY'S, LAW FIRM. THIS MAY EXPLAIN WHY ADFA HAD BEEN DRAFTED IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO KEEP ITS DECISION- MAKING PROCEDURES SECRET.
LARRY NICHOLS: If you needed a million dollars, you had to get your application handled by the Rose Law Firm, pay them $50,000. There were five other companies in the state of Arkansas that were actually more qualified in bond structuring and applications, but Rose Law Firm got 'em all. I started checking around, and I kept asking, well you know, one thing's bothering me -- to the comptroller, Bill Wilson. "You know, how did people make payments on these loans?" He looked at me, he said, "They don't."
He thought I knew. Well, that blew my mind. And this is about two months in, it was getting tough then. So I started gathering the documents. After everybody left I would stick around as if I were working on the annual report. That would give me access to all the documents. And I made copies of them all.
For about two months I watched accounts accumulate money. And at the end of the month they zero-balanced. They're laundering drug money.
There was a hundred million a month in cocaine coming in and out of Mena, Arkansas. They had a problem. They were doing so much money in cocaine, a hundred million. You, you create a problem in a little state like Arkansas. How do you clean one hundred million dollars a month?
ADFA until 1989 never banked in Arkansas. What they would do is they would ship the money down to Florida, a bank in Florida which later would be connected to BCCI. They would ship money to a bank in Atlanta, Georgia, which by the way was later connected to BCCI. They'd ship to Citicorp in New York, which would send the money overseas. And there was an interesting one, a bank in Chicago. And that bank, by the way, is partially owned by Dan Rostenkowski.
Dan Lasater would get the bonds. He would become the broker for the bonds. He would transfer money back to ADFA. He never sold a bond. The money then would leave ADFA, go into one of the various banks for the specific bond loan, and they would zero it out. When they zeroed it out they were giving it back to Lasater less their handling fees.
DOC DELAUGHTER (Former Arkansas Police Investigator in charge of Dan Lasater case): During the Lasater investigation, we had numerous witnesses for the Federal Grand Jury, had extensive Police testimony of people that were connected with Dan Lasater and drug use and everything else. Uh, his cocaine use become used as a tool for sexual favors and also for business deals and to influence people. And that's when Mr. Lasater became quite flamboyant with his cocaine use and that ultimately led to his arrest and conviction.
LARRY NICHOLS: Dan Lasater, who was best friend of Bill Clinton, who went to jail with Roger Clinton for cocaine, and by the way, let me explain something, he didn't sell cocaine. No, they were giving it away; huge piles of cocaine in his office. Ash tray upon ash tray full at the parties, and they would give it to young girls. That's sick. I mean, they were giving a highly addictive drug to young girls.
DOC DELAUGHTER: One particular one that comes to mind is a fourteen-year old cheerleader out of North Little Rock. She was a virgin, and ultimately he ended up sending her to a physician of his. The physician put her on birth control pills. He used cocaine in order to - ultimately she lost her virginity and she got addicted to cocaine and the last I heard of her when we had her subpoenaed backed to the Federal Grand Jury, she was a hooker in Lake Tahoe.
LARRY NICHOLS: Dan Lasater contracted to launder the money and in addition to his contract to launder the money and the system that he and Bill Clinton set up to do it, probably what he did is he took advantage of some of the cocaine. That's why he could give it away. Shoot, you have a hundred million a month in cocaine, they wouldn't care if you took a bucket full a day.
DOC DELAUGHTER: After Lasater was indicted, I started to receive quite a bit of harassment from my own department, the Arkansas State Police, and I knew the reason behind it, because the affiliation with the State Police and the Governor's office, with Dan Lasater and his business associates.
SHARLINE WILSON (Grand Jury Witness): Mr. Lasater's cocaine involvement at times was very heavy, and at other times he was very cool, calm, mediocre. He didn't, he was, he was very careful, as all of them have been for quite some time.
LARRY NICHOLS: Once he was convicted, he went to a minimum security prison, a holiday hotel we call them. He spent, I think it was six to eight months and he got out. Unbeknownst to anybody, Bill Clinton the day after he got out granted him a full and complete pardon. So if you think he's tough on crime, think about a man that pardons a man that gives cocaine to kids.
BILL CLINTON (Television Public Service Announcement): Fear of violence is robbing our children of their future. We must take away that fear and give them hope. We must give Alicia and all our children back their childhood. Working together, we can.
ANNOUNCER: Do something now. Call 1-800-WePrevent.
LARRY NICHOLS: Your President, the President of the United States, not only was a part of the system that was laundering millions of cocaine dollars, your President signed off on it. He can't deny that he did. You see, because at ADFA there was one little catch. Every loan that ADFA made, Bill Clinton himself had to sign off on it.
More than Bill Clinton, you better identify the people in the loop of the drug running. You better identify the people in the loop for money-laundering. And what you'll find there is those people go straight to Washington.
Act 1062, if you look at it, it says that ADFA was developed and created to provide low-interest bond loans for churches, schools, colleges. Now look what happened to our legislature. They voted on the bill creating ADFA, thinking that they were getting money to colleges and schools to buy books and so forth.
What better way to run thousands and tens of millions of dollars, launder it, clean it up and use the cover of a state agency to do it.
The first loan made at ADFA was made to Park-O-Meter, a company called Park-O-Meter. Seth Ward was the owner. As I started looking, I found out that the secretary/treasurer was Web Hubbell. Then I find out Web Hubbell was Seth Ward's son-in-law.
Guess who drafted the legislation creating Act 1062, which created the Arkansas Development Finance Authority? Web Hubbell. Guess who introduced the legislation to our legislators and got it passed through our house? Web Hubbell. Guess who got the first loan? Web Hubbell.
Imagine this: Guess who did the audit and the evaluation of the application. Rose Law Firm, you guessed it. Who signed it? Web Hubbell, Hillary Clinton. You see, that's against the law in Arkansas. You can't investigate yourself when the good faith and credit of the state of Arkansas is involved in a bond issue. He broke the law. Good Lord willing, creek don't rise, Mr. Hubbell will be serving some time in the pen for that one.
NARRATOR: IRONICALLY, WEB HUBBELL, A SENIOR PARTNER AT THE ROSE LAW FIRM, WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST COMMITTEE AT ROSE. IN 1988, HE SUCCESSFULLY ADVANCED THE ETHICS IN GOVERNMENT ACT, WHICH REQUIRED ARKANSAS LEGISLATORS TO REPORT GOVERNMENTAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. INCREDIBLY, THIS LAW SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTED GOVERNOR BILL CLINTON, HIS APPOINTEES, AND HIS RELATIVES.
CLINTON'S APPOINTMENT OF HUBBELL TO THE U.S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT EXEMPLIFIED THE ADMINISTRATION'S TOTAL DISREGARD FOR LEGAL ETHICS. HUBBELL'S HASTY RESIGNATION IN MARCH, 1994 FOR SUPPOSED OVERBILLING OF ROSE CLIENTS WAS MERELY A PLOY TO REMOVE HUBBELL FROM THE LIMELIGHT BEFORE EXTENSIVE CRIMINAL CHARGES COULD BE BROUGHT AGAINST HIM.
LARRY NICHOLS: Let me tell you about Park-O-Meter. The first loan was 2.85 million dollars. Never was a penny of that paid back.
As the newspaper people started inquiring about the Park-O-Meter loans, what they found was that Park-O-Meter was actually building retrofit nose cone compartments that were being shipped to Mena. We find out that the nose cones were actually being used to smuggle dope back into the country. And what is scary, what's so scary, it's the same cast of characters. Web Hubbell, the Rose Law Firm, are guilty, I say to you, of conspiring to defraud the state of Arkansas, the federal government and conspired to solicit the sales and the laundering of money for illegal drugs. This is your President. This is his circle of power. These are the people when he got elected President, he did not pass "go," he took them straight to Washington with him. And by all things holy, I think he was planning to set up and do the same thing in Washington.
NARRATOR: IN 1982, COCAINE TRAFFICKER BARRY SEALE SET UP ONE OF THE LARGEST DRUG SMUGGLING OPERATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES IN MENA, ARKANSAS, UNDER THE APPROVING EYE OF GOVERNOR BILL CLINTON.
LARRY NICHOLS: Barry Seale had a bunch of planes and supposedly had pilots. Barry Seale was a drug smuggler. Now he tried to set it up in his home state of Louisiana but they wouldn't let him. He had to come to a state that had a sleazy Governor, hooked on cocaine, and everybody knew it. Yea, Bill Clinton was hooked on cocaine.
SHARLINE WILSON: I lived in Little Rock, Arkansas, O.K.? And I worked at a club called Le Bistro's, and I met Roger Clinton there, Governor Bill Clinton, a couple of his state troopers that went with him wherever he went. Roger Clinton had come up to me and he had asked me could I give him some coke, you know, and asked for my one-hitter, which a one-hitter is a very small silver device, O.K., that you stick up into your nose and you just squeeze it and a snort of cocaine will go up in there. And I watched Roger hand what I had given him to Governor Clinton, and he just kind of turned around and walked off. And that's one specific.
DR. SAMUEL HOUSTON (Former Physician to Hugh Rodham, Hillary's father): Dr. Suen, S-U-E-N, a doctor at the medical center here in Little Rock that's taken care of Bill Clinton for his sinus problems, which may indeed be drug related to cocaine use, as they destroy the sinus passages. Governor Bill Clinton was taken into the hospital, I believe it was the medical center, on at least one or two occasions, for cocaine abuse and overdosage, in which he actually had to be cared for at the hospital.
SHARLINE WILSON: It led to toga parties, and if you're not sure on what a toga party is - I've had to clarify this in the past - a toga party is where you wrap yourself in a sheet -- most of the time (laugh). The people at the toga parties were Governor Clinton, now President Clinton, Attorney General Steve Clark - O.K., he was there a few times - members of the Arkansas State Police, you know, along with Roger and, you know, other people.
They began to dance around, do the cocaine in one room, have sex in another room, 'cause in the Coachman's Inn the rooms were adjoining, you know. And to be quite truthful, you end up with somebody in particular and you, nine times out of ten, end up having sex. And there was cocaine there. I know; I'm the one that made sure it was there.
JOHN BROWN: I talked to the manager, the assistant manager for the apartment complex where Roger Clinton used to live. They've all said Bill Clinton did drugs; they saw him. I've talked to a lot of other people who have all, just like the people at the apartment complex, said, "Hey, John, get us to a Congressional hearing. Yes, we'll sign sworn affidavits." These people want to be sure when they come forward that something's done about it because they fear for their lives. But they really want the truth to get out.
SHARLINE WILSON: I was there, coming there with Roger one night, and back in the back part of the mansion there, there's kind of like a living quarters type thing. And we would all get together out there and do cocaine, you know.
And, no, Mrs. Clinton wasn't there at the time.
RUSSELL WELCH (Arkansas State Police Investigator in charge of Mena investigation): In 1983, I was made aware that Sheriff Hadaway and one of his auxiliary deputies, Terry Capehart, were investigating a smuggling operation going on at the Mena Airport. They had an inside source of information.
BILL DUNCAN (Internal Revenue Service Treasury Agent in charge of Mena investigation): Mr. Seale, it was our understanding, was the one who had brought the operation into the Mena Airport and that had initiated the beginning of the money laundering and the illegal activity.
RUSSELL WELCH: He said 1983 was his most profitable cocaine smuggling period ever. He said that the airplanes that he had placed at the Mena Airport, there were four of them, a couple of Senecas, a couple of Panthers, and one or two stragglers here and there, different airplanes, he said they were purchased solely for the purpose of cocaine smuggling.
WINSTON BRYANT (Arkansas State Attorney General): There was, in my opinion, more than enough evidence to prosecute a number of people for crimes regarding the Barry Seale case at Mena.
LARRY NICHOLS: I snuck around, crawled through the bushes, thinking that I'd really have to hide to see 'em unloading the dope. I didn't have to. You could walk right up to the airport and they'd unload it right in front of you. They would unload it, they'd off-load it. They didn't care.
RUSSELL WELCH: A certain degree of money laundering had taken place among these people that were associated with Barry Seale.
LARRY NICHOLS: What had not been done was to connect the dotted lines to ADFA, 'cause once you connected the dotted lines to ADFA you had actually connected the dotted line to Clinton.
NARRATOR: IN ADDITION TO THE OPERATIONS AT MENA, SMALL CLEARINGS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE WERE USED AS DROP POINTS FOR MONEY AND COCAINE.
RUSSELL WELCH: They had special cargo doors installed on the side without FAA permission so that these doors could be opened in flight. They would pull in, slide back and cocaine could be dropped out of the side in flight.
BILL DUNCAN: When you have a public which is aware of an ongoing criminal enterprise, when you have an international cocaine smuggler who is high profile and a lot of people know that they are operating in a small area, a lot of people knew about the money laundering, it was common gossip on the street, because it was so blatant. And they see investigations ongoing for several years, and they keep watching for indictments. They know Grand Juries are convening. They know that witnesses are supposed to be providing evidence to a Grand Jury, yet year after year after year no indictments are returned. People lose confidence in the system.
NARRATOR: CLINTON HAD INTEGRATED A NUMBER OF CORRUPT COPS, JUDGES AND POLITICIANS INTO HIGH LEVEL POSITIONS TO ENSURE THE CONTINUED SUCCESS OF THE DRUG SMUGGLING/ MONEY LAUNDERING OPERATIONS. ALL WAS GOING WELL UNTIL A FATEFUL NIGHT IN THE FALL OF 1987.
LINDA IVES (Mother of Kevin Ives): On August 22nd, 1987, Kevin had spent the night with his friend Don Henry. They left Don's home around 12:30 or quarter till 1, on the 23rd of August in the early morning hours, and the next thing we knew they had been run over by a train. There seems to be a small airstrip in the area. There had been sightings and reports of small airplanes flying very low with lights off in the area. I believe they saw something they shouldn't have seen.
Three weeks later their deaths were ruled accidental by the State Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, and we disagreed with that ruling because we thought the evidence pointed to homicide. At that point, we had a lot of questions and no answers and the facts didn't add up to what he was telling us, so we decided to get a second opinion and met with resistance from all fronts, both with our law enforcement, with the state crime lab, with everybody that we turned to. We obtained court orders, requesting samples of everything that the crime lab had for a second opinion, and Fahmy Malak resisted court orders. He refused to obey them.
NARRATOR: ULTIMATELY, IT WAS PROVEN THAT DON HENRY HAD BEEN STABBED IN THE BACK AND KEVIN IVES' SKULL HAD BEEN CRUSHED PRIOR TO THE PLACEMENT OF THEIR BODIES ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS. HOWEVER, MALAK STOOD BY HIS RULING THAT THE BOYS HAD SIMPLY FALLEN ASLEEP ON THE TRACKS.
MALAK HAD BEEN KEPT IN OFFICE AT THE INSISTENCE OF GOVERNOR CLINTON FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS DESPITE VIGOROUS PUBLIC OUTCRY TO HAVE HIM REMOVED. AS LONG AS MALAK'S RULINGS PLEASED THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OR STATE POLICE, THEY WERE LEFT TO STAND NO MATTER HOW IMPLAUSIBLE. MALAK'S OBVIOUS LACK OF MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE REACHED A PINNACLE WHEN HE RULED THAT JAMES MILAM, WHO HAD BEEN DECAPITATED, HAD DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES. YET CLINTON, WHO HAD THE POWER TO REMOVE MALAK FROM OFFICE, INSISTED HE STAY.
LINDA IVES: There were allegations of tampering with evidence in murder cases. There were allegations of perjury in different cases. It didn't seem to matter what Malak did, Clinton protected him. He made excuses, such as, he's overworked, he's just stressed out, he's underpaid. They gave him a $14,000 raise, which was an insult to my family, as well as a lot of others in the state who to this day are struggling with asinine rulings in the deaths of children and other loved ones.
I was outraged that protecting a political crony of Clinton's was more important than the fact that two young boys had been murdered.
JOHN BROWN: Dan Harmon was just a local attorney in the town of Benton, Arkansas, and after Don Henry and Kevin Ives were killed and their bodies placed on the tracks and run over by a train, he approached Linda Ives and the Henry family about trying to help them.
He's a manipulator; he gives a great closing argument in court. He's been trained for years to play the game. He knows how to do it; he's very good at it. Mr. Harmon can win your confidence and make you think he's the greatest guy in the world. He did that to Linda Ives. He helped lead them down a path that absolutely led to nowhere on this case.
I got involved in the case and immediately Harmon tried to discredit me without even knowing me. I couldn't figure it out. I ran across a young lady named Sharline Wilson, who told a horror story that I didn't really believe at the time. So I started searching for evidence to substantiate just part of what she had said. Harmon went ballistic; he called, he threatened me, he threatened Sheriff Pridgeon, he threatened Captain Gene Donald, the chief deputy, all because I talked to this one woman.
SHARLINE WILSON: The people at the track that night, to my knowledge, were Dan Harmon, Keith McKaskle, Larry Rochelle. I do know that the boys were watching the drop site, O.K.? And they got curious as to what was being dropped there.
JOHN BROWN: The fact is, we know who killed these kids. The whole reason this case has been slowed down, stopped wherever we're at - they can't do anything with it as long as Clinton is in office, because the tracks go right back to Bill Clinton being involved in the cover-up. He took care of everybody that ever covered anything up in this case; everybody got promoted.
NARRATOR: A NUMBER OF PEOPLE APPROACHED THE POLICE WITH INFORMATION ABOUT DON AND KEVIN'S MURDERS AND CONSEQUENTLY WERE MURDERED THEMSELVES.
LINDA IVES: Shortly before Keith McKaskle was murdered, he knew that he was fixing to be murdered. He told his family good-bye, told his friends good-bye. The night of the elections in 1988, he took two pennies out of his pocket and threw them on the bar there at the Wagon Wheel and said "If Jim Steed loses this election, my life isn't worth two cents," and he was murdered that night.
Jeff Rhodes was a young man from Benton, who was murdered in 1989. Shortly before his death he made a phone call to his dad in Texas, and told him he needed to get out of Benton, Arkansas, that he felt he knew too much about the boys on the railroad tracks, and the death of Keith McKaskle.
A couple of weeks later Jeff was found dead. He'd been shot in the head. They'd attempted to cut off his head, and hands and feet, and set him on fire in a dump.
NARRATOR: A TOTAL OF SIX PEOPLE WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THE BOYS' MURDERS WERE EVENTUALLY MURDERED AS WELL.
JOHN BROWN: Jean Duffey was the head of the 7th Judicial District Drug Task Force. She was leading a team of narcotics investigators into a drug trail in Saline County that led her right straight to Dan Harmon.
This information she shared with the 1990 federal OCDE-TF team that was investigating and targeting corruption and drugs in Saline County and central Arkansas. From her involvement in that, she was literally threatened and forced to leave the state of Arkansas and go into hiding.
JEAN DUFFEY (Former Head of Arkansas Drug Task Force): I had no idea just how dangerous certain elected officials thought me to be until a brutal media campaign was launched against me. For months there were daily allegations of everything from misspending funds to ordering illegal arrests. Every attempt was made to keep me from running the drug task force. We were even shut down completely for several weeks during a bogus state police investigation. In spite of crippling disruptions, the task force was making significant discoveries about drug trafficking in central Arkansas, some of which led to the very people who were conducting the massive media crusade against me.
We discovered that drug trafficking in Arkansas was linked to government officials in frightening proportions. A great number of people came to me with testimony about astonishing criminal activity of very high-level public officials. Many were willing to testify before the federal Grand Jury.
SHARLINE WILSON: Robert Govar and Chuck Banks were the U.S. attorneys for the district of Arkansas at that time. I was subpoenaed to testify on behalf of the drug trafficking and the cartel - more or less is what is was - that had to do with Dan Harmon and, what I call, company, because there are a whole, there's a whole bunch of them that are involved. I was asked quite in depth about the drug trafficking that went on with Dan Harmon, Mr. Clinton, Roger Clinton.
JEAN DUFFEY: Although there was an abundance of evidence and word kept reaching me from members of the Grand Jury that they were ready to indict, no indictments came. Mr. Govar also insisted that he was ready to prosecute at least two key figures, but the holdup was his boss, U.S. Attorney Chuck Banks, who repeatedly delayed requests for indictments.
JOHN BROWN: Harmon had paid a visit to Chuck Banks, the U.S. District Attorney who was in charge of that district. It's recorded; he signed in. He was there approximately thirty minutes and up until that time, everything appeared to be running fine with the Grand Jury.
JEAN DUFFEY: Then in November, Banks removed Govar from the case and I was fired from the task force. From this point, the ordeal turned really ugly. In January 1991, one of the key targets of Govar's investigation, Dan Harmon, took office of the 7th Judicial District Prosecutor. Harmon immediately called a state Grand Jury to investigate the allegations against me. To avoid being jailed in Hot Spring County, which would have put me in serious danger, I left the state.
In the meantime, Banks, who had taken over the federal investigation, attempted to give the appearance of carrying the investigation forward while systematically destroying it. He harassed witnesses, suppressed evidence and finally announced in February of 1991 that the investigation had disclosed no credible witnesses or evidence against any public official.
SHARLINE WILSON: I received a phone call, and they told me that I had made a very big mistake, and I was assured by the U.S. Attorney's Office that my name, that my testimony, that my statements, that the people who were on that witness list, would never, ever be revealed.
Well, ha ha, you know. Someone in the U.S. Attorney's office had given Mr. Harmon a list of the effective witnesses, you know. Some of them witnesses, over a period of time, have came up dead and/or missing or have never been heard of again. That don't give you a very good feeling. I'm scared of these people. I'm very scared of them.
JOHN BROWN: Guess who arrested her? Dan Harmon, the very guy that she says turned her on to drugs now has her arrested.
SHARLINE WILSON: Dan Harmon, he walked up to me, handed me what was supposed to be a search warrant and he said, "Bitch," (excuse me for saying that), "I told you if you ever, ever brought my name up or brought anything up about the past dealings that we've had that I'd take you down." He said, "You're going to prison. I'm going to put you in prison."
He did; I'm here.
JOHN BROWN: I mean, I've watched second, third offense people walk around with probation on top of probation on top of probation. Not this lady: first time she's been arrested for drugs they allege that they found in her home, she gets thirty years.
Sure, everybody ought to be able to see through this. This is the man that told Linda Ives for years, "We're going to get to the bottom of your son's death." But yet, when I start making progress, it looks like the people I talk to starts getting time in the penitentiary.
Linda says it's business as usual in Saline Country; justice as usual in Arkansas.
LINDA IVES: There aren't any words in the English language that can describe how it makes you feel as a parent, or as a citizen of Arkansas, to see what our officials are capable of doing. You know, I think we were just kind of naive, common ordinary people, got up and went to work everyday, and came home and went to bed, and assumed that everybody else did the same thing, and tried to do what was right. And I think Kevin's death has been the rudest awakening that anybody could ever have, to see what really goes on.
JEAN DUFFEY: I can provide information that has tentacles to Governor Clinton's administration. It is apparent to me that a Congressional investigation is the last hope, not only for the people of Arkansas, but for the people of our nation, who are now vulnerable to the powers of a President who has left in his wake implications of illegal activities and serious improprieties.
NARRATOR: MEANWHILE, WELCH AND DUNCAN'S INVESTIGATION INTO THE OPERATION AT MENA WAS ABOUT TO DERAIL.
RUSSELL WELCH: We'd been so busy investigating, just concentrating, focusing, that it took a while to register that nothing was going to happen.
BILL DUNCAN: We could not understand what was happening. Neither Mr. Welch nor I were ever subpoenaed to testify before the Grand Jury and present massive amounts of evidence of wrongdoing by associates of Barry Seale. No indictments were ever returned against any of the individuals and I can tell you there was extensive evidence.
CHARLES BLACK (Polk County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney): There definitely was some suppression of evidence and definitely a cover up of an investigation and somebody should be held accountable as to why that happened.
LARRY NICHOLS: Not one major cocaine bust was ever made in Arkansas out of Mena, Arkansas. Now imagine that, ten years nearly in its running, never one truckload ever got caught.
CHARLES BLACK: During the 1992 attorney general's race in Arkansas, a member of Clinton's staff had approached Mr. Bryant and had asked him to stay away from the Mena affair or the Mena matter.
WINSTON BRYANT: I've done quite a bit of investigation into Mena, Barry Seale case myself, and quite frankly it is a federal problem.
RUSSELL WELCH: After Winston took office, Bill told me that he was no longer allowed to discuss the Mena airport investigation from the attorney general's office.
WINSTON BRYANT: The attorney general's office is not like most attorney general's offices across the country. We do not have the authority to convene a Grand Jury and initiate criminal prosecution.
JOHN BROWN: Well, a lot of people have said that the Mena operation stopped in 1986 when Barry Seale was gunned down; it's not true. Covert operations are still going on in Mena, Arkansas, today. And if you stop and think, back when Bill Clinton was Governor, he was asked about Mena. He said, "Well, that's a federal problem; I'm not going to get involved in it."
Well, he's not the Governor of Arkansas anymore; he's the President of the United States. If we still have operations at Mena, Arkansas, this is his golden opportunity to take care of it. My question is, why doesn't he?
BILL DUNCAN: I've always thought it was a wonderful thing to be able to serve your country as a federal law enforcement agent, and for 15 years I did not encounter anything like the corruption which I encountered after the Mena investigations began.
NARRATOR: PRESIDENT CLINTON'S VERBAL COMMITMENT TO A WAR ON DRUGS HAS BEEN NEGATED BY HIS ACTIONS. DURING HIS FIRST WEEKS IN OFFICE CLINTON REVOKED RANDOM DRUG TESTING FOR WHITE HOUSE STAFF MEMBERS; HE ELIMINATED 121 POSITIONS AT THE OFFICE OF NATIONAL DRUG CONTROL; AND HE APPOINTED JOCELYN ELDERS AS U.S. SURGEON GENERAL, DESPITE HER WELL-KNOWN DESIRE TO LEGALIZE DRUGS.
ONE OF HILLARY'S INVESTMENTS, UNDER THE DIRECTION OF TYSON FOODS COUNSELOR JAMES BLAIR, NETTED ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON AN INITIAL ONE THOUSAND DOLLAR INVESTMENT, A NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FEAT USING LEGAL METHODS.
HILLARY CLINTON: I can't read their minds or speculate, but I had absolutely no reason to believe that I got any favorable treatment.
NARRATOR: COINCIDENTALLY, GOVERNOR CLINTON ENACTED A NUMBER OF STATE REGULATIONS, ALLOWING TYSON FOODS TO GROW INTO THE LARGEST INDUSTRY IN ARKANSAS.
LARRY NICHOLS: Don Tyson put in six, seven hundred thousand dollars all told in all of Bill Clinton's campaign. Guess what he got out of it? He got ten million dollars. Guess from where? The Arkansas Development Finance Authority. And he never paid a dime for it.
DOC DELAUGHTER: Now, I had heard rumors of Don Tyson and his alleged cocaine use and distribution. I went through the intelligence files and came up with enough that I thought was a sufficient amount of evidence to launch an investigation on Mr. Tyson simply out of the Arkansas State Police intelligence files that had been accumulating for years.
SCOTT WHEELER: (Journalist): A great deal of criminal investigation files were surfacing with Don Tyson's name mentioned in there as being involved with some drug and narcotics trafficking activities. So I interviewed some of the investigators who worked on the Tyson case. Most of them felt that Tyson should have been indicted, but the investigations were always sabotaged, often times from within.
One particular undercover narc agent told me that another criminal investigator in that department, named Doug Fogley, was furnishing Don Tyson with photographs of the undercover narcotics agents that were working on his case.
JOHN BROWN: Donald Smaltz was actually hired to look into the allegations that Tyson had given bribes to different people, specifically to the Secretary of Agriculture, Mike Espy.
Now what came out of that investigation was very remarkable: drug abuse, drug distribution, money laundering, even murder for hire. Now, Smatlz collected all this stuff, he compiled it, he put it in proper order. And he approached Janet Reno and he said, "Look, I need to broaden my investigations; I'm finding more here than just simple payoffs."
What do you think happened? Well, by now most of you already know; he was turned down. Just exactly what we expected to happen happened. I mean, Tyson already hired lobbyists, attorneys, who all approached Congress, trying to get everybody to stop Smaltz.
Why is it in this country today that if you got a lot of money you can walk away? How is it you can create the pressure to stop investigations? And I promise you, Janet Reno has stopped this one. You look at these and you wonder, "How could this happen?" You know, how does someone elude prosecution with reams of investigative reports? How does it get stopped? Some say it's Bill Clinton.
LARRY NICHOLS: Don Tyson was in the middle of the cocaine just like Bill Clinton, just like Dan Lasater, just like Roger Clinton and all the others. So, you see, all of this incest and all of this drug running, all of the trafficking of drugs, sending them all over the nation, came out of little Mena, Arkansas, right under the nose of little Governor Billy Clinton.
I went to Bill, and I said, "Bill, you've got two weeks to tell the truth or I'm gonna tell it. You're breaking the law and I can't be a part of it. You made a mistake, I'm not one of your buds. At least I'm not that big a buddy."
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: When Larry Nichols made his disclosures, made them public, the Clinton spin doctors treated him unmercifully. It shocked those of us who had been kept in the dark through the years, in Arkansas politics. The Arkansas news media had done little, if anything to uncover anything derogatory about Bill Clinton. And for these disclosures to come out of the blue, was so shocking, that the spin doctors attacked the messenger rather than tried to answer the charges that Nichols had made. And they did such an efficient job that it caused me, and others, to look with less than favor on Larry Nichols as an individual, because all we knew about him was what they were telling and the press were printing.
LARRY NICHOLS: One of the neatest things about Bill Clinton is how he handles the media. You see, Bill Clinton is an attorney, and when a witness comes out against his client, what's the first thing an attorney does? He tries to discredit that witness.
They accused me of everything under the sun. Day in, day out, every week, every week there was some new scandal in the paper that I was involved in. Six, eight weeks later they'd print a retraction, it wasn't me. But to this day people in Arkansas think that I'm some evil person.
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: As a result of that, the boy had to pay a high penalty in his credibility, he had to pay a high penalty in his acceptability. And then, when the new evidence came out that supported everything that Larry Nichols had said, he finds himself, I think, probably in the position of knowing that he had been exonerated, but he has not been exonerated in the minds of the people generally, in my view. And he finds himself, probably, in the position of wondering where he goes now to get his good name back.
LARRY NICHOLS: A lot of people wonder how Bill Clinton could control a state the size of Arkansas with the absolute authority that he did. It's not hard. You see, after twelve years, after kissing the people that have the money, Bill Clinton controlled the legal system, he controlled the judges, he controlled the attorneys, he controlled the banks.
GARY JOHNSON (Former attorney for Larry Nichols): It's just a small state, a one party state. What tends to happen in small states like that, I think, is the longer the person remains Governor, that I think the greater the abuses are. And I think the abuses were very, very widespread under Bill Clinton.
LARRY NICHOLS: One thing that's very difficult for the people to understand: Bill Clinton doesn't care about money, he cares about power. All he needed ADFA to do, was to channel money to the big players financially.
I got tickled when the reporters during the campaign came here. They were looking, trying to find out where Bill Clinton profited. He didn't. He profited by putting money into his friends' pockets.
GARY JOHNSON: The way they were doing these bond issues, and just the whole political atmosphere, quite frankly, was a scandal. But that's the way things had historically been done in Arkansas.
LARRY NICHOLS: But imagine this, imagine the power this man has in Washington, D.C. Imagine what he can do to this nation, if he gets that circle of power going there, as he did here. Nothing I can do, nothing you can do can stop it. He will have the absolute power, and believe me, he will use it, to have you investigated, to have you arrested, to have your company audited. Now that's what will happen when his circle of power is complete.
When I worked at ADFA, it was not uncommon for Bob Nash to call me up and say, "Hey Nichols, the Governor needs about five grand transferred to his travel account, so he can go see his ladies." And we would at ADFA transfer five to ten thousand dollars for him to go see his girlfriends, in either LA or New York.
He had used so much travel money to go see women out of his regular travel budget, he would even have to borrow money from ADFA, not to mention the fact that ADFA's budget was not quite as scrutinized as the Governor's budget. But he'd literally use the money, ADFA money, the people of Arkansas, taxpayers' money, to conduct liaisons.
NARRATOR: DURING THE 1990 ARKANSAS GUBERNATORIAL RACE, LARRY NICHOLS, IN A LAST-DITCH ATTEMPT TO ALERT THE PUBLIC, BOLDLY FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST BILL CLINTON. AS EXPECTED, THE LAWSUIT WAS EVENTUALLY QUASHED, SEALED AND ILLEGALLY DISMISSED BY A CLINTON-APPOINTED JUDGE. WHAT NICHOLS DIDN'T EXPECT WAS A COMPLETE MEDIA BLACKOUT OF THE FACTS HE HAD PRESENTED.
LARRY NICHOLS: Back in 1990, after all the damage they had done to me, I did something that most people wouldn't do in Arkansas: I sued Bill Clinton. Now it's very important to note that in that lawsuit I brought out the names of five women. On October the 19th the only press conference I've ever held in my life was on the Capitol steps of Arkansas.
Every news organization in Arkansas, newspaper, TV, radio, were there on the steps. I read the names of the five women. I read and talked about ADFA. No one had ever made such a cold, callous statement against Bill Clinton where he named the women.
When I got through with the press conference I went through the center door and I walked, with the camera crews with me, and I walked all the way to the end, to the Governor's office and I left the press release right on the Governor's secretary's desk. Not one bit of the press release made it into the local TV or the local newspapers anywhere. It didn't show up anywhere. The reason I tell you that is because in those days he had the circle of power complete in Arkansas.
NARRATOR: EVENTUALLY, EVERY ALLEGATION STEMMING FROM NICHOLS' 1990 LAWSUIT AND PRESS CONFERENCE WOULD PROVE VALID REGARDING CLINTON'S TAXPAYER-FINANCED SEXUAL LIAISONS, HIS DRUG USAGE AND HIS CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES RELATING TO ADFA AND WHITEWATER.
GRADUALLY, THE WOMEN WHO HAD CARRIED ON ADULTEROUS AFFAIRS WITH CLINTON BEGAN TO EMERGE. THE FIRST WAS GENNIFER FLOWERS WHO, LIKE ALL THOSE CLOSE TO CLINTON, WAS FACED WITH A DECISION: EITHER KEEP QUIET AND RECEIVE A GOVERNMENT JOB, OR GO PUBLIC AND FACE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION IN THE PRESS.
BETSY WRIGHT, CLINTON'S FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF, ADMITTED SHE HAD BEEN HIRED TO CONDUCT MEDIA SMEAR CAMPAIGNS AGAINST ANYONE PLANNING TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GOVERNOR'S SEXUAL HABITS. SHE WAS PREPARED TO GO AFTER AT LEAST 26 WOMEN WHO HAD THE POTENTIAL OF DESTROYING CLINTON'S CHANCE AT THE PRESIDENCY.
LARRY NICHOLS: During the 1992 presidential campaign, I was getting bludgeoned by the media because Gennifer Flowers had come out of my lawsuit. A man called me on the phone on a Monday, his name was Gary Johnson. He was an attorney. He told me that he felt bad because I was being bludgeoned, and he wanted to talk to me about handling my case. Well, I was craving an attorney, any attorney to help me.
GARY JOHNSON: You know, I saw Larry out there doing battles, so to speak, on his own, and I felt like he needed some help.
LARRY NICHOLS: I met him on a Tuesday. He was a special attorney; I didn't even know it. You see, he lived next door to Gennifer Flowers.
NARRATOR: FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, GARY JOHNSON HAD INSTALLED A VIDEO CAMERA NEAR THE FRONT DOOR OF HIS QUAPAW TOWER CONDOMINIUM.
GARY JOHNSON: Looking at someone in front of my door, it got a perfect shot of them in front of Gennifer Flowers' condominium, and it wasn't my intention ever to take pictures of Bill Clinton going in to see Gennifer Flowers. I could care less who Bill Clinton goes to see. But it just so happened she lived next door to me and I mounted the camera there.
LARRY NICHOLS: Guess what he caught on tape? Bill Clinton walking into Gennifer Flowers' apartment on numerous occasions -- with a key.
GARY JOHNSON: I actually saw him go into her condominium. It wasn't that I was standing there looking out my peep hole, watching Gennifer Flowers' condominium. It had nothing to do with Bill Clinton, it's just that I had got, I had got the camera. I had the camera before Gennifer Flowers moved in and when she moved in she just happened to have some very interesting house guests.
LARRY NICHOLS: Go back to 60 Minutes when Bill and Hillary were love and kisses. They stood up and lied, and Bill said that he'd never been to her apartment, that he'd only called her once from the kitchen and from his office. That's an absolute lie, and these tapes proved it.
NARRATOR: THE 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW HAD BEEN DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO SAVE CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN, NOT NECESSARILY TO GET TO THE TRUTH.
DON HEWITT (Executive Producer, "60 Minutes"): And they came to us because they were in big trouble in New Hampshire. They were about to lose right there and they needed some first aid. They needed some bandaging. What they needed was a paramedic. So they came to us and we did it and that's what they wanted to do. When I told Tim Russer that I was persona-non-grata at the White House, he said, "Why?" I said, "The Gennifer Flowers interview." He said, "You got him the nomination." I said, "I know that." As far as I know from the conversations I've had, Bernie Nussbaum knew that, Gergen knows that, Lloyd Cutler certainly knows it 'cause Lloyd had a hand in his coming on that night.
You know it was strong medicine the way I edited it but he was a very sick candidate. He needed very strong medicine, and I'm not in the business of doctoring candidates but he got up out of a sick bed that night and walked to the nomination and as I said to Mandy, "You know if I'd edited it your way, you know where you'd be today? You'd still be up in New Hampshire looking for the nomination." He became the candidate that night.
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: When the Gennifer Flowers story broke, that story was a hundred times more credible than the story that literally knocked Gary Hart out of the campaign.
GARY JOHNSON: I'd been Gennifer Flowers' neighbor, I knew that Bill Clinton wasn't telling the truth about that. Bill Clinton, I think, would do just about anything to, to save his political hide.
LARRY NICHOLS: He got threatening phone calls. He asked me, he said, "Will they hurt me?" I said, "Well, they haven't hurt me." And I don't know why I didn't worry more about that.
GARY JOHNSON: Basically what they said was, "You mind your own business," and all it did was made me mad. I never thought in a million years that anybody would follow up on it.
LARRY NICHOLS: We filed the request for the subpoenas on Thursday. Saturday morning we found Gary Johnson beaten and left for dead. And without getting into gory details, both elbows were dislocated, his collar bones were broken, his spleen and his bladder were ruptured with holes the size of half dollars in them. His nose, his sinus cavities were all crushed. He had been beaten by Clinton's people.
INTERVIEWER: Were they very large? GARY JOHNSON: Yes, (laugh), yes they were.
INTERVIEWER: Did they say, "Where's the tape?"
GARY JOHNSON: Yes, they asked me for the tape.
LARRY NICHOLS: Now what's sick is the man gave them the tapes, and then they went and broke his elbows, punctured his splet done anything wrong, and I'm not gonna do anything wrong. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST ETHICAL STANDARDS IN THIS WHITE HOUSE. YOU CAN BE ASSURED OF THAT.
NARRATOR: ALTHOUGH THE DOCUMENTED INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE CLINTON CHRONICLES CONTINUES TO BE REPORTED IN ENGLAND AND IN OTHER COUNTRIES, HERE IN AMERICA, THE MEDIA BLACKOUT CONTINUES.
ON JULY 14TH, 1994, COPIES OF THE CLINTON CHRONICLES VIDEO WERE HAND-DELIVERED TO EVERY MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. ON JULY 25TH, DOCUMENTATION SUPPORTING THE FILM WAS PRESENTED TO CONGRESS AT THEIR REQUEST.
WHITEWATER HEARINGS WERE SCHEDULED TO BEGIN THE NEXT MORNING. HOWEVER, THE THEN HOUSE AND SENATE MAJORITY LEADERS, PLOTTING WITH ROBERT FISKE TO WITHHOLD EVIDENCE, REFUSED TO ALLOW ANY OF THIS DOCUMENTATION TO BE ADMITTED.
IN ADDITION, EYEWITNESSES WILLING TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH WHO COULD CONFIRM CLINTON'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE ARKANSAS DRUG SMUGGLING / MONEY LAUNDERING OPERATIONS WERE FLOWN IN TO WASHINGTON BUT WERE BARRED FROM GIVING ANY TESTIMONY.
ONCE AGAIN, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES WAS UNDERMINED AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED ACCESS TO THE TRUTH.
THAT SAME DAY, A MASSIVE MEDIA SMEAR CAMPAIGN WAS LAUNCHED AGAINST THE CLINTON CHRONICLES. TIME MAGAZINE, NEWSWEEK, U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT, AND MAJOR NEWSPAPERS AROUND THE NATION SIMULTANEOUSLY PUBLISHED FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT THE VIDEO IN AN ATTEMPT TO DIMINISH ITS DISTRIBUTION.
NEVERTHELESS, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS POINT TO THE CLINTON CHRONICLES AS PLAYING A MAJOR ROLE IN BRINGING ABOUT THE FIRING OF ROBERT FISKE, AS WELL AS THE REOPENING OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE DEATH OF VINCE FOSTER.
ON AUGUST 3RD, 1994, LARRY NICHOLS WAS ARRESTED ON FALSE CHARGES OF WRITING TWO BAD CHECKS AND FAILING TO OBEY A YIELD SIGN SEVEN YEARS EARLIER. THE AMERICAN MEDIA REPORTED THE ARREST. WHEN THE ARKANSAS POLICE ADMITTED THAT THE CHECKS AND TRAFFIC VIOLATION WERE FABRICATED, CHARGES WERE DROPPED -- YET THE MEDIA FAILED TO REPORT IT.
NICHOLS HAS SUFFERED THREE ATTEMPTS ON HIS LIFE SINCE THE RELEASE OF THE VIDEO.
FEDERAL AGENT BILL DUNCAN, A 15-YEAR IRS VETERAN WITH A PERMIT TO CARRY A GUN, WAS ARRESTED FOR CARRYING A WEAPON, THEN HAND-CUFFED TO A PIPE IN THE BASEMENT OF THE WASHINGTON DC POLICE STATION AND LATER RELEASED. THIS INCIDENT EFFECTIVELY BROUGHT THE MENA DRUG SMUGGLING / MONEY LAUNDERING INVESTIGATION TO A HALT. DUNCAN WAS LATER INSTRUCTED BY HIS SUPERIORS TO LIE TO A FEDERAL GRAND JURY REGARDING THE RESULTS OF HIS INVESTIGATION. WHEN HE REFUSED, HE WAS FORCED TO RESIGN.
ARKANSAS STATE POLICE INVESTIGATOR RUSSELL WELCH NEARLY DIED AFTER BEING POISONED WITH MILITARY GRADE ANTHRAX, A POISON AVAILABLE ONLY THROUGH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
ARKANSAS STATE POLICE INVESTIGATOR DOC DELAUGHTER, WHO SUCCESSFULLY LED THE INVESTIGATION AGAINST COCAINE DISTRIBUTOR DAN LASATER, WAS FORCED TO RESIGN AFTER ATTEMPTING TO REOPEN THE COCAINE TRAFFICKING INVESTIGATION INTO DON TYSON.
JOHN BROWN, SALINE COUNTY HOMICIDE DETECTIVE IN CHARGE OF THE IVES-HENRY MURDER INVESTIGATION, WAS REMOVED FROM THE CASE AFTER PROVIDING CONGRESS WITH INFORMATION LINKING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION TO DRUG TRAFFICKING IN MENA, ARKANSAS. BROWN WAS FORBIDDEN BY HIS SUPERIORS TO DISCUSS CLINTON'S CONNECTION TO THE IVES-HENRY CASE, AND AFTER HIS REFUSAL TO DO SO, WAS FORCED TO RESIGN.
IN FEBRUARY 1994, VETERAN JOURNALIST L. J. DAVIS WAS BEATEN IN HIS LITTLE ROCK HOTEL ROOM. HIS ATTACKER TORE PAGES FROM HIS NOTEBOOK WHICH CONTAINED INFORMATION ABOUT THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE ROSE LAW FIRM AND THE ARKANSAS DEVELOPMENT FINANCE AUTHORITY.
IN MARCH, 1985, WAYNE DUMOND WAS CASTRATED AND SUBSEQUENTLY IMPRISONED FOR ALLEGEDLY RAPING BILL CLINTON'S 17 YEAR-OLD COUSIN. EVEN AFTER EVIDENCE HAD PROVEN THAT DUMOND HAD BEEN FALSELY ACCUSED AND WAS COMPLETELY INNOCENT, CLINTON BLOCKED HIS RELEASE FROM PRISON.
TODAY, EVERY CASE WHICH WOULD LINK BILL CLINTON WITH ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVELY SHUT DOWN BY VARIOUS GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES.
WILLIAM DANNEMEYER (U.S. Congressman): The one office that all of us universally look up to, irrespective of what party or political philosophy we espouse, is the Presidency of the United States. Since the election of Bill Clinton in 1992, we Americans, with sadness, have learned week after week to have different stories come out from around the country pointing up the reality that we have in the White House today a draft-dodging, womanizer who is a pathological liar.
It's a very dangerous thing for America and a dangerous thing for the world. I can only, you know, conclude that the responsible course for the House of Representatives to do is to introduce a resolution of impeachment against Bill Clinton.
It is with sadness that I make this statement because this action will introduce something that we Americans don't want to see in our political process, but we can't continue down the course of what we see unfolding before our eyes almost every week or almost every day. And the best thing for all of us is to get it out in the open, and go forward and let the chips fall where they may.
Under our Constitution, the House introduces a resolution of impeachment and the U.S. Senate is the place where the trial takes place. And I think for the good of the country, for the good and the peace of the Western World, this is the course that Congress should take.
SINCE AUGUST 1991, AN ALARMING NUMBER OF CLINTON ASSOCIATES HAVE DIED OF UNNATURAL CAUSES.
THE FOLLOWING IS A PARTIAL LIST...
Dan Casolaro
Journalist Investigating ADFA and Mena
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Suicide, 8/10/91
Victor Raiser and son
Chairman, Clinton's Presidential Campaign Finance Committee
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Plane Crash, 7/en, punctured his bladder.
GARY JOHNSON: They looked like state troopers, I'll say that. Clinton can be a very dangerous individual in the state of Arkansas.
LARRY NICHOLS: In my lawsuit in 1990 I named a lady, Sally Perdue, as having an affair with Bill Clinton. Sally had an apartment in Little Rock, and the Clinton security guards would drop him off at her apartment and go park in the woods. When Clinton got through doing his business he would flick the porch light and they'd know to come and get him.
She started coming out, started talking. And believe it or not, before she could talk, Clinton's people got to her and offered her a federal job or break her legs, whichever one was the best.
NARRATOR: SALLY PERDUE, FORMER MISS ARKANSAS AND RADIO TALK SHOW HOST, CARRIED ON A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOVERNOR CLINTON BETWEEN AUGUST AND DECEMBER, 1983. STATE TROOPERS AND GOVERNMENT VEHICLES WERE USED AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE TO SHUTTLE CLINTON BACK AND FORTH TO SALLY'S HOME.
PERDUE, WHO TODAY SUPERVISES A HOME FOR PEOPLE WITH DOWN'S SYNDROME, WAS OFFERED A $60,000 A YEAR FEDERAL JOB TO KEEP QUIET. SHE REFUSED.
LARRY NICHOLS: And you see, that's illegal. You can't offer a federal job to get someone to hush.
NARRATOR: FOLLOWING HER ATTEMPT TO GO PUBLIC, MISS PERDUE LOST HER JOB AND STARTED RECEIVING THREATENING PHONE CALLS AND LETTERS. LIVE AMMUNITION WAS FOUND ON THE SEAT OF HER CAR AND THE REAR WINDOW OF HER VEHICLE WAS SHOT OUT.
EVEN THOUGH A NUMBER OF WITNESSES HAVE CORROBORATED HER STORY, THE AMERICAN PRESS HAS REFUSED TO PRINT IT. DURING THE 1992 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, INTERVIEWS WITH ABC AND NBC AS WELL AS AN APPEARANCE ON THE SALLY JESSE RAPHAEL SHOW WERE TAPED, BUT WERE NEVER AIRED.
LARRY NICHOLS: She had actually been on the Sally Jesse Raphael show right after the New York primary. Did you know that TV stations around the country blacked out that program and wouldn't show it?
NARRATOR: IN DECEMBER, 1993, FORMER BODYGUARDS OF BILL CLINTON CAME FORWARD WITH DETAILED INFORMATION REGARDING THE GOVERNOR'S SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS WITH A NUMBER OF WOMEN.
OFFICER LARRY PATTERSON AND OFFICER ROGER PERRY, BOTH VETERAN ARKANSAS TROOPERS, BOLDLY SPOKE ON THE RECORD. TWO OTHER TROOPERS, WHO INITIALLY SPOKE OFF THE RECORD, WERE LATER IDENTIFIED AS DANNY FERGUSON AND RONNIE ANDERSON. IN APRIL, 1994, A FIFTH TROOPER, L .D. BROWN, CAME FORWARD AND CORROBORATED THEIR STORIES, ADDING THAT CLINTON'S SEXUAL PARTNERS NUMBERED OVER ONE HUNDRED DURING THE PERIOD HE WAS EMPLOYED BY THE GOVERNOR.
THE TROOPERS' OFFICIAL DUTIES INCLUDED APPROACHING WOMEN TO OBTAIN THEIR PHONE NUMBERS FOR CLINTON, DRIVING HIM TO RENDEZVOUS POINTS IN STATE VEHICLES, GUARDING HIM DURING SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS, SECURING HOTEL ROOMS AND LYING TO HILLARY ABOUT HIS WHEREABOUTS. PHONE LOGS AND OTHER CORROBORATING EVIDENCE FULLY BACKED THESE REPORTS.
OFFICER LARRY PATTERSON: (Arkansas State Police Officer): I saw, on several occasions, Bill Clinton engaging in sexual acts. While I was either blocking the road or working security at the Governor's mansion, I saw it with my own eyes take place, so it's not a rumor, it is firsthand.
OFFICER ROGER PERRY: (Arkansas State Police Officer): The entire conversation inside a vehicle in a two-hour drive from one point to another would be totally about sex and women or jokes. He would actually ask people how they performed oral sex on women in cars. I've been in that conversation. He would ask if you had ever had two to three women at one time in one bed; things like this. Bill Clinton was obsessed with that.
OFFICER LARRY PATTERSON: The first or second time that you're with him and you're alone and you see some attractive woman, he would say, "Hey, Larry. What would you like to do to her?" And, you know, this is the Governor of the state of Arkansas.
OFFICER ROGER PERRY: The majority of his off-time was spent trying to figure out ways to be with women that he wanted to be with. He was more discreet during a campaign year than he was in a routine year as Governor, an off-year.
OFFICER LARRY PATTERSON: We were required to work overtime so we could sit outside some place and block the road or sit in some driveway or sit at some, you know, apartment complex, while he went in to take care of his female friends. You know, state money was utilized.
OFFICER ROGER PERRY: And he had certain troopers that he used for certain women. And Larry Patterson and Danny Ferguson were used for two women in particular.
OFFICER LARRY PATTERSON: He would tell you, "Larry, you see the blond-headed lady in the green outfit? Go get her name and her telephone number for me." He would say, "She has that 'come hither' look." And that was verbiage that he used quite often. And on several occasions I have gone out into the crowds; I've never had one of the females to refuse to give me her name and her address.
OFFICER ROGER PERRY: On one occasion it was a Christmas parade of 1989 in a small town in northeast Arkansas. And he picked a lady out of the crowd and asked me to find out who she was. He just carried on about how beautiful she was, how good-looking she was, how big her breasts were and things like that. And I found out that she was interested in a state job. And she gave me her name and number, and I said, "Well, maybe the Governor will call you. Or can I call you?"
And when we got in the car, I gave the Governor her name with her phone number, and I said, "You'll like this; she's interested in a state job." And he said, "Oh, good, good, good, good, good!"
The next time I saw that lady, she was working for Bill Clinton in his Presidential campaign the night he announced his candidacy for President.
OFFICER LARRY PATTERSON: I was told by Bill Clinton that this was part of my job, to keep people from finding out about his affairs.
OFFICER ROGER PERRY: Most of the women that Bill Clinton had sexual affairs with were well-taken care of . They have good jobs, or their husbands ended up with good jobs. They were well-taken care of and the actual time spent trying to cover up these affairs while he was Governor was nothing like it was when he announced that he was running for President.
NARRATOR: IN AN ATTEMPT TO SILENCE THE OFFICERS, THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LAUNCHED AN ELABORATE COUNTER-ATTACK, WHICH INCLUDED URGING FERGUSON TO CHANGE HIS STORY AND LEVYING FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF INSURANCE FRAUD AGAINST PERRY AND PATTERSON.
LARRY NICHOLS: When Larry Patterson and Roger Perry came out, Clinton's security guards, they substantiated everything that I've alleged in the lawsuit. These people were there; they were his bodyguards. But, watch what happened. The same thing that happened to me, they planned to do to them. They roasted 'em in the media. They said they were committing insurance fraud.
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: The evidence that these state policemen have brought forward, relative to Clinton, Clinton's womanizing, is being questioned by the spin doctors as not being credible. Yet, it is more credible than the evidence on 90 percent of the people who are, who are confined now on death row across America.
LARRY NICHOLS: Is this fair? Did y'all see the papers saying that the troopers were telling the truth and were found innocent? Here too, the stories they were telling have a basis since they're not the scumbags that the spin doctors for Clinton tried to make 'em out to be.
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: These two have had the courage to come forward, and the evidence that they have presented has not only been credible, but it's been overwhelming. And the truth is, I'm convinced that it's just the tip of the iceberg.
NARRATOR: ON MAY 8TH, 1991, PAULA JONES, A STATE EMPLOYEE WITH THE ARKANSAS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, WAS WORKING THE REGISTRATION DESK FOR THE GOVERNOR'S QUALITY MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE AT THE EXCELSIOR HOTEL. GOVERNOR BILL CLINTON WAS TO BE THE MAIN SPEAKER.
PAULA JONES: I was approached by one of Bill Clinton's bodyguards named Danny Ferguson, and I was given a number and I asked him what it was. I held out my hand and he said it's a number to a hotel room, that the Governor would like to meet with me. Well, I was surprised and I kinda talked it over with my co-worker, and we didn't have any reason to believe that we couldn't trust him, so I agreed to go on up to the room and meet with Mr. Bill Clinton.
I got to the room and Governor Clinton, he opened the door to meet me. It was a room that didn't have any beds in it. It had couches and stuff like that. It was more like a meeting-type room. And he had asked me about my job and how I liked it and who my boss was and I told him.
And he mentioned that he liked the way that my curves were on my body and he liked the way that my hair went down my back, the middle of my back, and then he tried to lean over and he tried to put his hand up my leg which I just -- it happened so fast -- and he tried to kiss me on the neck -- it happened so fast -- he tried to bend over and kiss me on the neck as he was putting his hand up my leg and I backed off and I said, "I don't want to do this," and I said, "I think I need to be going."
And then he got up before I even knew it and dropped his pants and Bill Clinton asked me to perform oral sex on him, which I declined. And I jumped up and I told him, "I need to go immediately."
That's when he went to say, "If you have any trouble whatsoever, you have Dave Harrington, your boss, contact me immediately." I said, well, "I'm leaving," and I started to proceed down the hall to the door and he followed behind me and said, if we could try to keep this between ourselves. And I went down the elevator, went back to my registration desk and I told Pam the whole story.
STEVE JONES (Paula Jones' husband): I can't understand how somebody could take advantage of somebody like that and then have the audacity to drop his, drop his pants. I mean you know...
BILL CLINTON (At TV Press Conference): I'm not going to dignify this by commenting on it.
STEVE JONES Paula gave the exclusive to the Washington Post and Mike Isakof. We were going to be as open as we could with the Washington Post, and Mike told Paula that as far as he was concerned that he believed Paula and that he thought the story should be told. And Mike said they were ready to put the story out and they were going to go to the editors and present the story to them.
We heard that Mike got suspended from the Washington Post and there was a big fallout between the editors of the Washington Post and Mike.
NARRATOR: PAULA JONES FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST PRESIDENT CLINTON CLAIMING SEXUAL HARASSMENT. THE SAME DAY A MASSIVE MEDIA SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST PAULA JONES WAS LAUNCHED.
LARRY NICHOLS: Think about a man that has no more regard for women than Bill Clinton does. They're just sex things. I don't understand the feminist movement being behind Bill Clinton. He hangs women on his wall like trophies.
NARRATOR: A NUMBER OF WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH BILL CLINTON HAVE ALLEGEDLY BEEN GIVEN MAJOR CAREER BOOSTS IN EXCHANGE FOR SILENCE.
BETH COLSON RECEIVED A JUDICIAL APPOINTMENT TO THE ARKANSAS COURT OF APPEALS FROM CLINTON.
REGINA BLAKELY LANDED A JOB WITH CBS NATIONAL IN WASHINGTON COVERING THE WHITE HOUSE.
LIKEWISE, DEBORAH MATHIS SECURED A LUCRATIVE JOB WITH THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS CORPS.
SUSAN WHITAKER WAS MADE THE LIAISON BETWEEN THE ARKANSAS STATE CAPITOL AND THE WHITE HOUSE.
ELIZABETH WARD OBTAINED A POSITION WITH THE CLINTONS' CLOSE FRIENDS, HOLLYWOOD PRODUCERS HARRY THOMASON AND LINDA BLOODWORTH THOMASON.
AND JO JENKINS WAS GIVEN A HIGH LEVEL POSITION WITH AP&L.
ONE OF THE MOST HARROWING STORIES OF CLINTON'S ATTEMPT TO KEEP HIS PROMISCUITY HIDDEN INVOLVES JERRY PARKS, A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR AND FORMER CHIEF OF SECURITY FOR CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS.
GARY PARKS (Son of murder victim, Jerry Parks): My father was Luther Gerald Parks, AKA Jerry Parks. He was the head of Clinton's security for Clinton's inaugural campaign whenever he was running for President. My father was brutally murdered at Chenal Parkway and Arkansas Highway 10 in one of the most elite parts of Little Rock, Arkansas.
Someone pulled aside, alongside of him, and started shooting at him. They cornered him, stopped him on Highway 10 as he was turning left onto Highway 10 off of Chenal Parkway. They stepped out of the car after blocking his path. He was shot five times, once in the leg, once in the arm, three times in the chest.
My father had a file on Bill Clinton's infidelity and his affairs that ran from approximately '82, '83 to somewhere between 'til about '90 to '91. The file consisted of pictures, of times, dates, places, of where Bill Clinton was at, where Roger Clinton was at, the type of drug use that Bill Clinton and Roger Clinton were involved in. I was the only person that would ever go with him when he would do his private investigative work. And I remember four to five times that I was with him, and that's what he was keying on.
I saw Clinton with a lot of different women, a lot of different types, sizes, shapes, colors, one of them being Gennifer Flowers. You know, I was just like, Wow! It was more neat than anything else that somebody that is this famous, this big wig can get away with this. This just blew my mind.
NARRATOR: SHORTLY BEFORE JERRY'S DEATH, THE PHONE LINES AT HIS HOME WERE CUT, THE SECURITY SYSTEM WAS DISCONNECTED AND THE CLINTON FILES WERE STOLEN.
GARY PARKS: I believe my father was assassinated because he was the one link that could actually close everything and completely shut Clinton down. I feel that Bill Clinton had my father killed to save his political career.
When I did contact Little Rock Special Investigative Services, they told me that they had been pulled off the case three weeks prior to that. That just blows my mind on how when I hear that they're making progress, all of a sudden they're pulled off the case. Something's not right there.
LARRY NICHOLS: Bill Clinton has been the way he is ever since I've known him. He hasn't changed, he will not change. People inside the White House today tell me that he's running sexcapades in and out of the White House, like have never been there before, it's a disgrace to America.
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: If we would have known his background, the people of Arkansas would have never elected him Governor of this state. And I charge the media of this state for not doing their duty and exposing these things that have since become matters of fact.
LARRY NICHOLS: He's a womanizing, dope smoking liar and a draft dodger. I don't remember those being in the Constitution as exactly the model qualities we want in a President.
OFFICER ROGER PERRY: I think the media has been part of the covering up of the actual true story of, and character of, Bill Clinton. I believed with all my heart that the American people had the right to know what they had been sold. Bill Clinton is not the person they voted for.
NARRATOR: VOTERS WHO DEPEND ON THE MEDIA FOR UNBIASED INFORMATION REGARDING POLITICAL CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN BETRAYED. MUCH OF THE INFORMATION CONCERNING ADFA, WHITEWATER AND CLINTON'S SEXUAL PROMISCUITY WAS KNOWN BY THE MEDIA AS EARLY AS 1990, YET WAS KEPT HIDDEN.
THE MEDIA'S HEAVY, PRO-CLINTON BIAS PRIOR TO THE 1992 ELECTION WAS BEST SUMMED UP BY NEWSWEEK WHEN THEY CANDIDLY STATED, "TRUTH IS, THE PRESS IS WILLING TO CUT CLINTON SOME SLACK BECAUSE THEY LIKE HIM AND WHAT HE HAS TO SAY." IN MAY, 1994, NEWSWEEK ADDED, "THE NATIONAL PRESS HAS BEEN RESTRAINED IN ITS ACCOUNTS OF BILL CLINTON'S PRIVATE LIFE, AND WITH GOOD REASON. MOST OF THOSE WHO HAVE MADE CHARGES AGAINST HIM HAVE BEEN DESPICABLE PEOPLE, JEALOUS, STUNTED SORTS."
LARRY NICHOLS: What an indictment about the media. You knew the truth about Bill Clinton, you just didn't like George Bush. I know Bill Clinton, probably as well as anybody. We used to train him on how to look straight into a camera and lie through his teeth. And you see, part of Bill's pathological lying is the fact that we've taught him how to believe the lie that he's telling. And once he believes the lie, then he can sell it to you as the truth.
The world is at risk when the Commander-In-Chief of the United States of America is a man that will look at another government, who will make trade deals, and lie through his teeth.
TOM MCKENNEY (Lt. Col., USMC (retired)): Clinton could get us involved in a hopeless quagmire easily in Europe, in Africa, in North Korea, in any number of places because not only of his ineptness and his lack of understanding, but his contempt for military things. This goes back at least as far as the sixties in his college days when he not only attended and participated in anti-American rallies, but organized them. Back in, and incidentally those were not anti-war rallies, those were anti-American rallies.
He has no loyalty to this nation. He has no loyalty to its fighting men. He has not enough integrity to have any loyalty to its population. He knows how to say the right things, but he has lied for so long that I really don't think he knows the difference anymore between the lie and the truth.
OFFICER ROGER PERRY: Bill Clinton was dishonest on a daily basis. I mean, there's more dishonesty in his life than there is honesty. I mean, it's maybe being a politician in these days and times, you have to tell one group of people what they want to hear and another group what they want to hear; and if the truth conflicts, then so be it.
LARRY NICHOLS: The media has not been able to ascertain today that there's a human being sitting in the presidential chair of the United States of America that lies with everything he says. They still believe somehow in the office of the presidency, they still believe there's some integrity there.
NARRATOR: ATTEMPTS TO KEEP THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES OF WHITEWATER CONCEALED FROM THE PUBLIC WERE LARGELY SUCCESSFUL PRIOR TO THE 1992 ELECTION. AFTER THAT HOWEVER, THE RAGING WHITEWATER RAPIDS COULD NO LONGER BE CONTAINED.
WHAT THE CLINTONS CLAIMED AS A SIMPLE MONEY-LOSING INVESTMENT WAS, IN ACTUALITY, A SERIES OF COMPLEX BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS AND COVERUPS, ULTIMATELY COSTING THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER MORE THAN SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS.
HILLARY CLINTON: When this is all over, it's going to be the same story we've been telling for two years. We made a bad investment, we lost money, and there's really not much more to add to it.
BILL CLINTON: We have and we have enforced higher standards against ethical conflicts than any previous administration.
REP. JIM LEACH (U.S. Congressman): Whitewater may have begun as a legitimate real estate venture but it came to be used to skim, directly or indirectly, federally insured deposits from an S & L and a small business investment corporation. When each failed, the United States taxpayer became obligated to pick up the tab. 2.) The family of the former Governor of Arkansas received value from Whitewater well in excess of resources invested. 3.) Taxpayer guaranteed funds were, in all likelihood, used to benefit the campaign of a former Governor. 4.) The independence of the United States government's regulatory system has been flagrantly violated in an effort to protect a single American citizen.
BILL CLINTON: People should not be able to raise questions and erode people's moral authority in this country.
NARRATOR: IT QUICKLY BECAME OBVIOUS THAT WHITEWATER WOULD ENGULF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION IF IGNORED. A TWOFOLD COUNTERATTACK WAS PUT INTO ACTION. THE FIRST WAS TO WIN SYMPATHY FROM THE CONSERVATIVE POPULACE, WHO WERE AMONG HIS CHIEF CRITICS.
CLINTON EMBARKED ON A SERIES OF APPEARANCES HEARTILY PROMOTING HIMSELF AS A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN WHO SUPPORTS AND PRACTICES TRADITIONAL BIBLICAL FAMILY VALUES. WHILE THE UNINFORMED MAY HAVE BEEN FOOLED, THOSE WHO REALIZED WHAT WAS HAPPENING WERE OUTRAGED AT THE BLATANT HYPOCRISY.
BILL CLINTON (Seen in newsfootage attending a church): This is the place where I have come to seek divine guidance and support and reassurance.
RANDALL TERRY (Director, Loyal Opposition): You know, after Bill Clinton was in office for two days, he signed five executive orders shedding more innocent blood, the blood of innocent babies. Then he went on to try to get homosexuals in the military. He put Joselyn Elders in, trying to distribute condoms to our kids. Christine Gebbe, his Aids Tzarina, promoting all kinds of vileness. This is an affront to heaven.
NARRATOR: THE SECOND PHASE OF THE COUNTERATTACK WAS TO APPOINT ROBERT FISKE AS SPECIAL PROSECUTOR TO HEAD UP THE INVESTIGATION INTO WHITEWATER. THAT SAME WEEK THE ROSE LAW FIRM BEGAN SHREDDING DOCUMENTS.
LARRY NICHOLS: A lady came to me, scared to death, and wanted to come out and tell the truth. I said, "What's the matter?" She said, "They're shredding documents at the Rose Law firm." Well, I tried to tell the media. The media said there was no way that could be going on.
Well, in came a journalist from a Washington newspaper. He goes over and investigates what I told him, and you know what? The very week he investigated, guess what they were doing? Shredding documents, right there at the Rose Law Firm. JEREMY HEDGES (Rose Law Firm paper shredder): They had his [Fosters] initials pretty much all over it, everything from the box to the manila files to -- I even saw his signature on one of the Rose Firm letterheads.
LARRY NICHOLS: You see, all of the Whitewater documents, they're getting rid of. They're getting rid of them as fast as they humanly can. It's the nerve and audacity that those two people, Bill and Hillary Clinton, have to shred documents, to destroy evidence, in a federal case.
RANDALL TERRY: That is why we're here in front of the Rose Law Firm because of the works of darkness that have gone on. Documents have been shredded here. What else has gone on here? I'm telling you, there are people inside this building that right now, they're saying, "If they only knew, if they only knew."
NARRATOR: DURING THAT SAME WEEK THERE WAS ALSO A FIRE AT THE WORTHEN BANK BUILDING.
LARRY NICHOLS: Now this fire was on the 14th floor and supposedly it was started by a space heater. I want you to look at this footage and tell me if you think it was an accidental fire by a space heater. This is a CPA firm and the documents that were in this office were important documents relative to Whitewater.
If you go back to Arkansas, and you look at the Secretary of State's office, anybody that's ever run for office in recorded history, you can find out who their major campaign contributors are since day one, except for one person: Bill Clinton's records at the Secretary of State's office disappeared.
You see, they did it then. They'll do it now. All the information pertinent to Whitewater, any notes left by Vince Foster, any personal documents that would lead anywhere to any type of criminal activity, they're just gonna be destroyed.
NARRATOR: FISKE'S INITIAL ASSIGNMENT WAS TO QUELL RUMORS REGARDING THE ALLEGED SUICIDE OF VINCE FOSTER. FOSTER WAS A SENIOR PARTNER WITH HILLARY CLINTON AND WEBB HUBBELL AT THE ROSE LAW FIRM PRIOR TO HIS APPOINTMENT AS WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY COUNSEL.
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: In fact, he was handling the Clintons' personal legal matters while he was in the position of Assistant to the President, in violation of a conflict of interest at that time.
NARRATOR: FROM THE OUTSET, THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE DEATH OF VINCE FOSTER HAS BEEN MARRED BY CONTROVERSY. AT BILL CLINTON AND ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET RENO'S INSISTENCE, RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE INVESTIGATION WAS TURNED OVER TO THE PARK POLICE, EVEN THOUGH FOSTER'S DEATH FELL WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE FBI.
NOT UNTIL HIS DEATH HAD SUFFICIENTLY DEVELOPED INTO A FULL-FLEDGED SCANDAL SEVEN MONTHS LATER WOULD THE FBI BE ALLOWED IN.
THE RESULTS OF THE FBI'S INVESTIGATION, ALONG WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE PARK POLICE AND CORONER, WERE INCORPORATED INTO A REPORT ISSUED BY SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT FISKE. THE REPORT, RELEASED JUNE 30, 1994, CONFIRMED SUICIDE AS THE CAUSE OF DEATH.
HOWEVER, A CAREFUL EXAMINATION OF KEY PIECES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE REPORT ITSELF INDICATE A NUMBER OF ALARMING CONTRADICTIONS INCONSISTENT WITH THE REPORT'S OWN CONCLUSION THAT FOSTER TOOK HIS LIFE.
THE OFFICIAL CORONER'S REPORT DEPICTS A LARGE, GAPING ONE-INCH EXIST WOUND LOCATED THREE INCHES BELOW THE CROWN OF FOSTER'S HEAD. ACCORDING TO FISKE, THE AREA SURROUNDING THE BODY AT THE PARK WAS METICULOUSLY SEARCHED TO A DEPTH OF EIGHTEEN INCHES, BUT NO BRAIN TISSUE OR SKULL FRAGMENTS WERE FOUND.
AN FBI ANALYSIS FOUND NONE OF FOSTER'S FINGERPRINTS ON THE GUN DESPITE THE FACT THE GUN WAS FOUND IN FOSTER'S HAND. HOWEVER, THE FBI DID MAKE ONE EXTRAORDINARY DISCOVERY: ONE LATENT FINGERPRINT WAS VISIBLE ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THE RIGHT PISTOL GRIP, APPROXIMATELY TWO INCHES FROM THE BASE OF THE GRIP. THIS PRINT DID NOT BELONG TO FOSTER. NO ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO DETERMINE THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON WHOSE PRINT WAS FOUND ON THE GUN'S HAND GRIP.
GUNPOWDER WAS FOUND ON FOSTER'S CLOTHING WHICH DID NOT MATCH THE GUN FOUND IN HIS HAND. FISKE SPECULATED THAT GUNPOWDER OF A DIFFERENT TYPE WAS ACCIDENTALLY BLOWN ON TO FOSTER'S CLOTHING BY AN EXHAUST FAN IN THE PARK POLICE LABORATORY. HOWEVER, ONCE AGAIN, FISKE WAS NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT HIS THEORY WITH ANY EVIDENCE.
ONE OF THE MOST CRUCIAL PIECES OF CRIME SCENE EVIDENCE, THE FATAL BULLET, HAS YET TO BE FOUND. A THOROUGH FBI SEARCH OF THE AREA, WHICH EVEN UNCOVERED ARTIFACTS DATING BACK TO THE CIVIL WAR, YIELDED OVER SEVENTY PIECES OF METAL, INCLUDING TWELVE MODERN-DAY BULLETS. YET NONE OF THEM MATCHED THE GUN FOUND IN FOSTER'S HAND.
AGAINST STANDARD POLICE PROCEDURE, NOT ONE RESIDENT LIVING NEARBY WAS EVER CONTACTED DURING THE INVESTIGATION TO FIND OUT IF A GUNSHOT WAS HEARD. EVEN THOUGH FISKE INSISTS THAT FOSTER KILLED HIMSELF, LEADING FORENSIC EXPERTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY NOW AGREE IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY HE PULLED THE TRIGGER HIMSELF.
WITHIN MINUTES OF THE VERIFICATION OF FOSTER'S IDENTITY, THE PARK POLICE ISSUED ORDERS TO SEAL FOSTER'S OFFICE AT THE WHITE HOUSE. DAVID WATKINS, CLINTON'S ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, ASSURED THE POLICE HE WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT.
HE LIED.
IMMEDIATELY, HIGH-RANKING MEMBERS OF BILL AND HILLARY'S STAFF BEGAN RANSACKING FOSTER'S OFFICE, REMOVING IMPORTANT AND POSSIBLY INCRIMINATING DOCUMENTS. THE PEOPLE ENTERING THE OFFICE INCLUDED BERNARD NUSSBAUM, COUNSEL TO THE PRESIDENT, PATSY THOMASSON, WHITE HOUSE ADMINISTRATION DIRECTOR AND FORMER ASSISTANT TO COCAINE DISTRIBUTOR DAN LASATER, AND MARGARET WILLIAMS, HILLARY CLINTON'S CHIEF-OF-STAFF.
LARRY NICHOLS: Patsy Thomasson was the top aide for Dan Lasater when he was running his company and doing all the dope. You could only say that she was there taking care of Dan Lasater's interests in the White House.
NARRATOR: AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ARKANSAS DEVELOPMENT FINANCE AUTHORITY HAD BEEN LAUNDERING ITS DRUG MONEY THROUGH THE BANK OF CREDIT AND COMMERCE INTERNATIONAL.
BCCI COLLAPSED IN THE EARLY 1990'S. MILLIONS OF DEPOSITORS AND TAXPAYERS LOST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, MAKING IT THE WORST BANKING SCANDAL IN HISTORY.
HEADING UP BCCI WAS FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY CLARK CLIFFORD. THE OVERWHELMING CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST CLIFFORD WERE EVENTUALLY DISMISSED BY PRESIDENT CLINTON.
THE ATTORNEY FOR CLIFFORD AND BCCI WAS NONE OTHER THAN ROBERT FISKE. FISKE KNEW THAT A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION OF WHITEWATER WOULD EVENTUALLY LEAD TO ADFA AND HIS FORMER CLIENT, BCCI. FISKE ALSO KNEW HE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO COMPLETE HIS INVESTIGATION SINCE IT IS ILLEGAL TO PROSECUTE A FORMER CLIENT.
FISKE WAS NOT SELECTED BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO INVESTIGATE WHITEWATER AT ALL, BUT TO SIMPLY SUBPOENA DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY, MAKING SURE THEY NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY.
BILL CLINTON: The investigation of Whitewater is being handled by an independent special counsel, whose appointment I supported. Our cooperation with that counsel has been total.
LARRY NICHOLS: Now think just for a moment: If there are papers that prove you did nothing wrong, then why would you destroy them so that they don't come out? Why would you hide behind subpoenas and the cloak of secrecy?
Now, I say Bill and Hillary Clinton have something to hide, and only through a Congressional hearing does this nation have a snowball's chance of that truth coming to the light of day.
JUDGE JIM JOHNSON: That's the reason it's so imperative that the Congress of the Unites States rise to the, to the occasion, and meet their responsibilities to hold public hearings relative to this matter during this period of time, or justice will never be done.
LARRY NICHOLS: There are lots of people that come to me, that want to tell the truth. They come to me, but they're afraid, they're afraid of losing their jobs, they're afraid of family members or themselves being hurt. Don't be afraid anymore. Bill Clinton doesn't own the world, he doesn't scare me, he shouldn't scare you.
I wish all of you all would do what I've done. Stand up, stand up for the country. I want my daughter to know that if you stand up and tell the truth, you're O.K. Right now she sees if you stand up and tell the truth you'll be destroyed. If you're a pathological liar, lie through your teeth, every breath, hurt people needlessly, you'll get to be President. You don't want that; I don't want it.
If I had anything to say to Bill Clinton, you know what it would be? It's bound to be a great burden to walk around lying from one thing to another, to never tell the truth. Bill, tell the truth, come clean. Oh, you may not get to be President, but the truth will set you free. It set all of us free, and it'll save the nation.
BILL CLINTON: I've still not been accused of anything wrong because I haven'30/92
C. Le Bleu / T. McKeahan / R. Williams / S. Willis
Clinton Bodyguards
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Gunfire during raid on Waco, 2/28/93
W. Barkley / B. Hassey / S. Reynolds / T. Sabel
Clinton Bodyguards
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Helicopter Crash, 5/19/93
John A. Wilson
Washington D.C. Councilman preparing to expose Clinton
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Suicide, 5/19/93
Paul Wilcher
Washington D.C. Attorney investigating Mena
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Suicide, 6/22/93
Vincent Foster, Jr.
Deputy White House Counsel Clinton's childhood friend
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Suicide, 7/20/93
Jon Walker
Senior RTC Specialist investigating Whitewater
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Suicide, 8/15/93
S. Heard / S. Dickson
Members, Clinton's Health Care Advisory Committee
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Plane Crash, 9/10/93
Luther "Jerry" Parks
Chief of Security, Clinton's Campaign Headquarters
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Murder, 9/26/93
Ed Willey
Manager, Clinton's Presidential Campaign Finance Committee
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Suicide, 11/30/93
Herschel Friday
Member, Clinton's Presidential Campaign Finance Committee
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Plane Crash, 3/1/94
Ronald Rogers
Killed while en route to interview for this film
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Plane Crash, 3/3/94
Kathy Ferguson
Former wife of Clinton bodyguard Danny Ferguson
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Suicide, 5/11/94
Bill Shelton
Arkansas State Police Officer, Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Suicide, 6/12/94
Calvin Walraven
Police informant in Jocelyn Elder's son's cocaine distribution trial
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Suicide, 7/28/94
Alan G. Whicher
Clinton's Chief of Security, former Clinton bodyguard
"OFFICIAL CAUSE OF DEATH"
Oklahoma City blast, 4/19/95
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Posted by: phillip | November 18, 2007 9:57 AM
Whether the Clintons had an official pact or not, Hillary does believe she deserves this.
She's the "inevitable" choice, a choice which brings a mysterious 35 years of experience as Bill's guard dog, fending off the many females who tried to take advantage of po Bill.
She knows where "the bodies are buried", having buried many herself. We know MORE about Hillary the person, than probably any candidate before her. Maybe she's turned over a new leaf. Maybe she's now the reasoned moderately-progressive candidate, after having spent 35 years as a confirmed leftist who's willing to do anything to get the power.
Maybe she's gained a sense of ethics. Maybe it IS everyone else, from Democrats to Republicans to 'Tim Russerts' that are conspiring together in a 21st century multi-factional conspiracy to steal that which is her due, power over us all.
Obama should be ashamed that he's pointing out Hillary-The-Person.
Since when do we, as voters, have the right to consider a person's true core?
Posted by: bluecollarbytes | November 18, 2007 10:00 AM
I am a registered democrat. I think of Hillary as a female nazi. She will be no different than Bush in terms of destroying America, its constitution, and its currency. She will be the end of U.S. as we know it.
Posted by: sam | November 18, 2007 10:02 AM
Hillary does not scare me nearly so much as the nuts assembled here.
I wonder if after the election she'll be coming for you.
Posted by: Tallyrand | November 18, 2007 10:09 AM
Dumb Comment Xavier.. just like some people said they would move when Bush was elected.
As far as this goes.. this is such a non issue...who cares if they did have a pact or they both said he wouldnt it be cool if we both became president! There have been two presidents named Bush in case you didnt know. And a 2nd Bush was governor and if he and his brother werent so inept he would consider running also.
It is tough for any Con out there now because they are so desperate because they are associated with a president that is an unmitigated distastor in so many ways. I frankly dont envy the next president because there is so much cleaning up to do.
So stop arguing about inane topics like Bill and Bill and Hillary's "pact" who the hell cares about that. Worry about the idiot we have in office now and whether we will survive his last year.
Posted by: Mike M | November 18, 2007 10:12 AM
Which one is the anti-Christ: HRC or Obama?
Hillary has a looong history of deception, plus she is technically, INELEIGIBLE, to be prez, since she has already SERVED TWO TERMS as the quid pro quo prez!!
Can Hillary answer these questions:
1) what did she steal from Vince Foster's office before his body was cold in Ft. Marcy Park?
2) what was HER true roll in Waco fiasco?
3) Why did she HIDE the contents of her college THESIS from public scrutiny; a love letter to a Commie?
4) how did those Whitewater papers magically reappear at her suite at the White House?
5) why are the Clintonista papers SEALED UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION??
Posted by: dan | November 18, 2007 10:14 AM
I should have added this. Regardless of one' party affiliation, one should vote for the person who understands and respects our Constitution. Although I am a democrat, I will write-in the name of Ron Paul when time comes to vote. He does not have a chance for the Republican nomination, but at least I will have a clear conscience I can live with for the next 4 years. Under Mrs. Clinton, watch the U.S. economy destroyed for she is no different than Bush in any, shape or form.
Posted by: sam | November 18, 2007 10:17 AM
Ask anyone on the net about Obama. Hilary stared this earlyer but backed out.
Posted by: Roger Stright | November 18, 2007 10:29 AM
The day America elects someone like Hillary Rodham Clinton President is the day Osama Bin Laden can declare victory because that day America will have proven they can not be taken seriously.
Posted by: Ben | November 18, 2007 10:40 AM
Mrs Bill clinton always speaks of her "35 years of experience " but refused to open her file in clinton Library in Arkansas . If Hillary wants to prove her experience open the file now not after 2010. what are you hiding Mrs Clinton? If you think Bush and Cheney is full of secret , we ain't see nothing yet. and by the way , just for a reminder Bush and cheney
are not running so why is Hillary keep reminding us of them , we want to hear her vision for the future but by sealing the file in clinton Library we have no clue on how she would govern the country.Hillary will say and do anything to fullfill her ambition even if it means sticking with her sex predator husband. - Bill Clinton.
we call it married of convenience and road to power. shame of this couples - too trashy to be restored to the whitehouse.
I would rather vote for the devil than bring this shameful couple back.what would other country say if Hillary becomes the president. Is she really all we can chose for this great nation . Go Obama go .Having Hillary as the Democratic nominee is the best christmas present that Republican can ever wish for.
Posted by: BIBI | November 18, 2007 10:40 AM
Why are people so criical of a possible "pact" that the Clinton's entered. Seems to me, they have already succeeded in half of that plan, and are well on their way to putting together the second half. I think - if there was a pact - that's it's incredibly outstanding and a testement to their skills to actaully pull it off! Think about it, they made a pact 20 years ago - and they're actually accomplishing it? Love them or hate them, you have to give them credit for have the drive, the commitment, the intelligence and the desire to pull it off.
Posted by: happydad | November 18, 2007 10:58 AM
It is interesting to read the typical partisan comments. Thats the problem with politics. Under Bush-Clinton-Bush we have 20 years of destruction of America. Sam is right. There is no real difference between them. It is just a game playing the left against the right. Democrats vs Republicans. It is the NAU/SPP-Open borders-Free Trade that is destroying us. Importing millions of illegal immigrants for cheap labor and votes. They are both for it. You can't create massive deficits, both trade and federal and endless social programs that we don't have the industrial base left to tax and finance. The elite make windfall profits while America suffers under the yoke of debt. They have turned us into a debtor nation whose economy is dependent on our enemies. The declining value of the dollar is the same as inflation. 40% in 7 years. The government lies about inflation so they can claim economic growth. Ron Paul is not the solution because he will get us all killed. The isolationism mentality of 1938 doesn't work in 2008. It didn't work in 1938 either.
Posted by: Emery | November 18, 2007 11:00 AM
Take a look at Ron Paul what to you think?http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/
Posted by: mel | November 18, 2007 11:00 AM
PLEASE GO TO HILLARYPROJECT.COM ,, AND READ ABOUT ALL OF THE PLANTS AT THE DEBATE TUES AND HOW CONNECTED THEY ARE TO THE CLINTONS.. VERY SCARY
Posted by: carole | November 18, 2007 11:02 AM
Does it really matter who wins? Both parties push for more war, suspend habeas corpus, ban books like America Deceived (book) and allow warantless wiretaps.
End this madness, vote your conscious, vote for Dr Ron Paul.
Posted by: Karl W | November 18, 2007 11:05 AM
PLEASE GO TO HILLARYPROJECT.COM ,, AND READ ABOUT ALL OF THE PLANTS AT THE DEBATE TUES AND HOW CONNECTED THEY ARE TO THE CLINTONS.. VERY SCARY
Posted by: carole | November 18, 2007 11:09 AM
Concerns
It's not that someone has strayed on their spouse...that is a common human affliction. MINOR domestic bribes get my attention, but, then I understand it is a reality of politics and always has been. What concerns me is will she or he be able to effectively run our country? Neither frontrunner has had an executive position of any real consequence. No, occasionally sleeping with the President doesn't count either. They are strictly legislature. They make laws...and if they turn out as a bad idea they distance themselves with little or no accountability. If "de-throning Bush" is the only goal (He's leaving anyway)... what happens the day after the wines all been drunk and the pots all smoked up? There are REAL candidates out there that need grown-up, serious consideration. Voting based purely on emotion is no different than voting drunk...it blinds the eyes, dulls the senses. This feels more like a student council race than it should. Why?
Because the (2) candidates have no real records to commend, criticize or compare. The only candidate who does is Bill Richardson...and no one is even talking about him. I for one am looking at Mr. Richardson, to be fair, everyone should give him a look.
Posted by: Gabriel | November 18, 2007 11:11 AM
Where is Carville and what is he up to now days ?
Besides making excuses for the Clinton's on TV while mascarading as a "journalist"...
Posted by: tankfixer | November 18, 2007 11:22 AM
Concerns
It's not that someone has strayed on their spouse...that is a common human affliction. MINOR domestic bribes get my attention, but, then I understand it is a reality of politics and always has been. What concerns me is will she or he be able to effectively run our country? Neither frontrunner has had an executive position of any real consequence. No, occasionally sleeping with the President doesn't count either. They are strictly legislature. They make laws...and if they turn out as a bad idea they distance themselves with little or no accountability. If "de-throning Bush" is the only goal (He's leaving anyway)... what happens the day after the wines all been drunk and the pots all smoked up? There are REAL candidates out there that need grown-up, serious consideration. Voting based purely on emotion is no different than voting drunk...it blinds the eyes, dulls the senses. This feels more like a student council race than it should. Why?
Because the (2) candidates have no real records to commend, criticize or compare. The only candidate who does is Bill Richardson...and no one is even talking about him. I for one am looking at Mr. Richardson, to be fair, everyone should give him a look.
Posted by: Gabriel | November 18, 2007 11:26 AM
Isn't it obvious they had a pact. They also want Bill to be head of the UN and they want to lead new confederation of countries under the UN.
Posted by: Teddy | November 18, 2007 11:35 AM
Many have said that once the electorate realizes that it can, by ballot, reach into someone elses wallet to pay for the things they want, it'll be "GAME OVER" for the USA. When Aunt Hillary gets elected, I fear we will have reached that point.
Posted by: steve | November 18, 2007 11:36 AM
Who else is tired of the BUSH/CLINTON junta? Do we really live in a Federal Republic or Democracy. It looks more like a Kingdom ruled by 2 families that have held the White House back to the Reagan years. STOP the 2 ROYAL FAMILIES -vote for Giuliani!
Posted by: GW | November 18, 2007 11:47 AM
Brenda: Pay attention. Obama did NOT take his oath of office on the Koran. That would be Keith Ellison, Congressman from Minnesota, who IS (unlike Obama) a Muslim. Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ. The Fox/Hannity/Limbaugh slandering of Obama (he attended a madressa, etc.) has been debunked, but like most of their lies, lives on in some peoples' minds.
Posted by: Tom Quinn | November 18, 2007 11:54 AM
I went to the HillaryProject.com....
I'm glad I did. CNN needs to be exposed.
Posted by: Andy | November 18, 2007 11:54 AM
Republicans will love it when Hillary wins the nomination; the Clinton's have so polarized the country that the GOP nominee, no matter who it is, can't help but win. Too many Americans absolutely hate the thought of her as president for her to have any chance of being elected. Even the fence-sitters wonder whether she'll be more worried about her jewelry choices than us. Bad choice, dems.
You'd be better off with Biden, who, even though I disagree with him, at least has the experience and stature to govern.
Posted by: RJ | November 18, 2007 12:48 PM
Obama did in fact attend a Madrassa in Indonesia. This was not debunked. Obama not only had a Muslim Father,he also had a Muslim Step Father after. Mrs Obama was infatuated with muslim males. So why would it be so strange that he went to a madrassa? Keith Ellison is closely tied to Louis Farrahkan. Leave it to Dems to elect these lowlives.
Posted by: Dennis D | November 18, 2007 1:00 PM
Rudy Guiliani has done more in his than either Obama or Hillary. Before 911 he was perhaps one of the most successful US Attorneys in US History . While he was arrested every Mafia Don in New York , Hillary was defense attorney for the Black Panthers. 100 years of Dem Leadership in NYC turned that place into a cesspool. Rudy made New York City decent again. Yes I am a Native Manhattanite. All before 911.
Posted by: Dennis D | November 18, 2007 1:04 PM
In above comment, "csh" said: "Hillary Clinton is winning because she’s talking about issues and not negative personal attacks." Really? The "CNN Clinton Camp" started with the negative stuff quite early in the campaign. It was the Clinton operatives back in February who put the "Muslim rumor" out there about Obama.
It is the Clinton camp who is the source of what Robert Novak published today in The New York Post: "AGENTS of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party's presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, but has decided not to use it. The nature of the alleged scandal was not disclosed. This word-of-mouth among Democrats makes Obama look vulnerable and Clinton look prudent."
And there is more of this, not to mention the fact that Hillary takes words, ideas and phrases from Obama and makes them her own, and she has been doing that since February. I have waited for the press to write and talk about this, but they just let it slip by.
Open your eyes!
Posted by: GK in OKC | November 18, 2007 1:08 PM
""IT IS BETTER TO DIE LIKE FREE SPARTAN THAN LIVE FOREVER AS A PERSIAN DOG!!!!!" - UNKNOWN GREEK WARRIOR. "
Wolf, stop watching 300. The Spartans were not democratic. The state was supreme. Every man served the state, and wasn't allowed to marry or own property until given permission.
Still better than Persians, but whatever.
And Obama is a novice with too little experience. If he'd waited for a full term he might have been worth consideration for the Democrats.
Posted by: Neal | November 18, 2007 1:29 PM
I am amazed at the ignorance reflected in many of these comments. I generally don't read the comments section, for this very reason, and I seem to have forgotten the ugly American still exists.
Brenda, I want to be a fly on your wall and see where exactly you get your news. In what universe did you read something that mistook Rep. Keith Ellison for Senator Obama? Ellison was sworn in on the Koran in January; Thomas Jefferson's Koran no less. What is wrong with you?
How can so many Americans be so imbecilic and vote for Hillary? So you want a woman to be president. That's a great idea; I'm for it. But never in a million years is she the right person. Her experience, as has been correctly alluded to above, is non-existent. Hillary refuses to take a position because she doesn't have one... on anything. Or, more precisely, she has a position for each day of the campaign. How can you actually like her? And the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynasty needs to end before that last chapter sinks the nail in America's coffin.
Obama may not be perfect, but he is the most viable Dem candidate (and the winner will be a Dem). At least he's fresh, he values honesty and is not afraid to stake out a position on an issue. I certainly do not agree with some or most of his ideas, but he certainly has my vote. I want something new. And he's it.
Posted by: Jeff | November 18, 2007 1:34 PM
William Jefferson Blythe Klinton gave us gun control in 1994, and it cost him dearly in the House and Senate that fall (he said so himself in his autobiography My Life (Lies)).
I fear that the Hildabeast will do MUCH worse. I see a massive firearm confiscation skeem...ala Australia and Great Britain style. If she pulls that stunt, after she is elected, via executive order (a favorite tactic by the "husband"), you will see massive revolts to that order.
Obama, he is also anti-Second Amendment. He is owned by the Chicago machine, ran by Mayor Daley, who is vehemently anti-gun.
I don't trust any of the Republican candidates at all. Most are RINO's. Esp. the former NYC mayor. I think he is pulling a sympathy card for 911.
However, no mater what, I will NEVER vote for Klinton....I didn't vote for the "husband" and I won't vote for the "wife" either. God help the USA if she should get back in....although, I wonder: it seems in many areas, the USA has turned its back on God (abortion, lack of morals, the "me me me" crowd, etc). Maybe God has gotten so sick of the way the USA has gotten so ungrateful, that God has decided to punish us. Read the Bible, and you will understand what I am meaning here.
Posted by: john | November 18, 2007 1:40 PM
I have a close friend who is assigned to the Secret Service detail covering Hillary Clinton. He previously served under the Clinton White House. He can't stand Hillary, knowing her for her foul mouth, temper, denegrading treatment of others, and other numerous offenses he witnessed first hand. I'd warn others to never vote for her. America can do better.
Posted by: phil | November 18, 2007 1:54 PM
I believe if you vote for anyone in Congress, you are voting for more and bigger spending. That is all they know really how to do very well except listening to themselves. I will vote for a governor or someone who has run large enterprise sucessfully. Those who are running for president on the democratic side will take our great country further into socialism and destroy our will to be inovators that we are and that has brought our country to be the most successful on earth. Socialism does not work and has failed every where is is tried. I personally like Mitt Rommney and who he is. He has grown in life and politics and says so. If you are afraid of his religion, go to mormon .org and learn about what he believes. The Mormon religion believes the family is the key to successful country and life. Without families, we lose. It's not the government that has made us great but the people in the families behind the government. I and my family will vote for Mitt Rommney because of who he is, his political savvy and success in business and goverment and his optimistic ways, and his postive vision for our country. Don't fall for the hatred and misinformation and propaganda for the far left. If they get in, those who wish us to be destroyed will be in charge of our downfall. Don't let it happen!!!!!
Posted by: B Hopkins | November 18, 2007 2:30 PM
In the novel, "Comprimised: Clinton, Bush, and the CIA" by Terry Reed and John Cummings, Reed details his exposer to the corruption in Arkansas and the Clinton's connection to the Bush family. This is an old book, but considering the history of the presidency in the last 20 years, it makes the story more interesting.
Posted by: DK in Houston | November 18, 2007 2:46 PM
RESPONSE TO PHIL's post (posted on November 18, 2007 @ 1:54 PM)
I am a former US Secret Service (and this is all i can say about my work) and as a former secret service i am sworn and bound by law to an absolute secrecy about my assignments for as long as i live. And if i did talk, i would go to jail, and the charges can range from breaking a confidentiality agreement to putting heads of state in danger to even treason.
Your so-called secret service friend is either a liar or you are a liar. To be on the WH detail, you have to show absolute secrecy, absolute strength of character and you have to undergo several polygraphs per year and if you show the slightest deviation, you are off the team and assigned to other functions most likely behind a desk in a dark corner looking at $ 20 bills all day long.
If your secret service friend cannot hold his tongue about his assignment in the detail of the First Lady, what else can he say? If he talked to you, who else can he talk to? If he told about the behavior of the First Lady and what she says and does, what other secrets is he willing to reveal (read sell to our enemies) and to whom?
Phil, just to give you the heads up, i am forwarding and reporting your post to USSS office of C.I. I am sorry for doing this, but your friend might put some of my friends and our leaders in danger by running his month. Your tip has to be run down.
Posted by: Jeff | November 18, 2007 2:47 PM
This country needs to excise the Clintons (Bill, Hillary, and yes, even Chelsea) from the American political scene once and for all. They are a blight on our history and the worst thing to ever happen to the Democratic party. I agree with Roosevelt Nelson, above, who said "its time for new genes in the whitehouse, someone with character, someone with guts, someone with leadership skills, someone with new ideas, a true american that believes in
America!" In short, everything the Clintons are NOT!
Posted by: RB | November 18, 2007 2:49 PM
What's so "secret"? Of course Hillary's blind ambition kept her married to her lying, philandering, sleazy, trailer trash husband.
What else besides ambition would lead her to defend Bill during the spectacle of Monicagate? (Staingate? Oralgate? Headgate?)
Posted by: surferdude | November 18, 2007 3:05 PM
PILING ON
Resentment tends to linger
When roguish rivals zing her:
As Hilly pouts,
Her hubby spouts
And wags his index finger.
MADAM PRESIDENT
She has shown she knows how to succeed,
And the public no longer pays heed
To the old rumor mill
And her problems with Bill:
Yes, Lewinski is destined to lead!
BILL IN A CHINA SHOP
Campaign prospects are more sunny
When the coffer’s full of money.
Leave it to Bill
To fill the till
With money that is funny!
BUBBA BATH
Eight years of the Clintons in power
Leave a taste in the mouth that is sour
And an overall sense
That we need a good rinse
And should spend extra time in the shower.
COMING 2 TERMS
Despite limits to presidents' terms,
As a certain Amendment affirms,
Mrs. Old Two-for-One
Won't admit that she's done,
Having already shared her two terms.
ENDANGERED SPECIES
Ron Brown was but one of those linked
To the friends of Bill Clinton who blinked.
Who’ll next join the roster
With the late Vincent Foster
Of the cronies confirmed as extinct?
FULL OF BILL
We’d expected to be fully free
Of his follies by 2003,
But, lacking the grace
To go hide his face,
Clinton keeps crying out, "Look at me!"
HILLARY’S CONVICTION
The First Lady’s a post-modern wife
In responding to marital strife:
She’ll stand by her man
As long as she can,
‘Cause it’s better than “20 to Life.”
HILLARY TAKES A STAND
"Being asked for my views on morality,
I must say I believe in equality:
I agree with your view
And the opposite, too
-- It depends on the date and locality."
HILL'RY REDNECK CLINTON
"Hoosiers, hillbillies, dis is yer year!
Rednecks, crackers, doan be afeard!
Shucks! Gosh! an' Dang!
Doanchu jes love mah twang?
Git yer fust lady prezdent rat cheer!"
LOATHING BILL CLINTON
Each September 11th ask why
The best President money could buy
-- When Osama bin Laden
Might well have been gotten --
Did not even bother to try.
NEW WORD ORDERED
Herewith we summarize
The new defense for lies:
"Though you believe
That I deceive,
I merely clintonize!"
THE POLITICS OF DEMEANING
When Bill sells a scheme he’s emphatic,
His response to his foes automatic:
Anyone who says, "But --"
Is dismissed as a nut,
A right-wing religious fanatic.
WAR CHEST
Though I personally care not a tittle
And would hate to get caught in the middle,
When those Democrat boobs
Are exposed on the tubes,
They make mountains of something quite little.
(politickles.com)
Posted by: F.R. Duplantier | November 18, 2007 3:10 PM
Funny how the Democrats will demean the "evangelical" right, then show up at various churches across the country pandering for votes. Also funny is how at thos same churches, the clergy will stand there and pander to those who have blasphemed their respective religions. I guess they'd make a deal with the devil as long as a couple of bucks gets thrown in the collection plate.
Posted by: Bill | November 18, 2007 3:12 PM
Yes, they expected Bill to rule for 8 years followed by Hillary for another 8 years. The proof is her comment when the Lewinsky thing blew up in their face. Check the records -- she said, "you threw it all away for that?"
Posted by: Robert Paris | November 18, 2007 3:38 PM
Within the hysteria, consuming the U.S. Democratic Party today, lies a long festering entity, I have for years titled, “The Mutual Blackmail Society.” This is not a cult, but a well contrived psychopathical group of opportunists. They have climbed the ladder from chinchy grifting in Arkansas to become the wanton seekers of U.S. Treasury and citizen domination. This collection of subverted members, insure their safe operation by mutually sharing each others criminal profile.
Jordan Alexander Orosz, The Old Sailor, San Diego, Ca. USA.
Posted by: Jordan Orosz | November 18, 2007 3:43 PM
I'm amazed at how many people, both on this comment section, and among most comment sections in general that are anti Clinton, yet she is still ahead in the polls. As an Iowan, I do not know a single person that has plans on voting for her. Where do these poll numbers come from? I'd like to see a news article, or story that deals with these mystery numbers, Americans cant possibly be so naive as to believe shes ahead.
Posted by: PPK | November 18, 2007 4:05 PM
When will the media demand of Hillary accurate, direct responses to quesetions? And where are her papers from her first run at sociazlizing medicine in this country? She manipulates the media -
all sectors - as if she were dealing with a kinbdergarden class. It's becoming disgusting!
!
Posted by: Jack LaVilla | November 18, 2007 4:31 PM
I think the real think that could sink Obama is a cozy real estate deal with Chicago political fundraiser Tony Rezko (Google it) Rezko is under indictment in Illinois, he bought the house next to Obama and sold it to him for a super cheap price, also Rezko has connections in Iraq building some kind of 500 million dollar power facility.
Posted by: Vern | November 18, 2007 4:34 PM
Some people on this board say Hillary is winning because she is talking about issues and not going negative.
If people would be very honest, ... Hillary is ahead for one reasion and one reasion only ... Bill. People are NOT voting for Hillary ... they are voting for Bill ... and she knows it ... and she hates it ... but she is doing it anywhat because she WANTS it.
Not for us, not for the good of the country .. but because she WANTS it ... and staying with Bill and bringing Bill with her is the only what she can have it.
Posted by: MARK WRIGHT | November 18, 2007 4:35 PM
The common theme in all these posts is that the two major parties will run moronic scum-bags, regardless of who it is. There is a solution: VOTE LIBERTARIAN!
Posted by: Jeffrey Pasquinelli | November 18, 2007 4:37 PM
It doesn't matter. Hillary doesn't have a prayer exactly like Kerry.
Bushies and the GOP's friends at DIEBOLD will take care of that.
"Long live the Revoution"
heh heh
Posted by: Joe | November 18, 2007 4:46 PM
Wow, it seems there is a consensous here. No Billary!! We do not need to become a Socialist/Communist nation!! We are America!!
Posted by: Right on | November 18, 2007 4:53 PM
Obama's position is fair. I think it is reasonable to ponder the Clinton "secret pact of political ambition" which is itself definitely far different than one man who someday wants to be President. Every smart kid has a dream of being a Fireman, Policeman, Doctor, Baseball Player or even President. It is the nature of egocentric youth. But the Clinton "secret pact of political ambition" calls into the question the soul of the Clintons. After all why else would a woman "stand by her man" through repeated, continuous and multiple sexual indiscretions. Their family values are far different. Not that it matters, but is the press protecting Hillary from her alternative lifestyle?
Posted by: Christopher London | November 18, 2007 4:54 PM
hillary,chavez,jong the next triumverate
Posted by: frank campanelli | November 18, 2007 5:58 PM
it's the pact with lucifer that concerns me -
Posted by: j | November 18, 2007 6:46 PM
Of course Her Higness made a pact for the Presidency...and the Devil is patiently waiting for her soul.
Posted by: Stu Hersh | November 18, 2007 7:04 PM
I like Hillary...always have...as a public figure. But I don't want her to be president.
I'll vote for Dennis Kucinich. There's no gray area with him. Every time I hear him speak he takes the thoughts right out of my head and verbalizes them.
I'm never sure what Hillary just finished saying...she's too goddamn vague about everything. I also have a big problem with Rupert Murdoch holding a fund raiser for her. I can't stomach Fox News...I won't even allow my channel selector to run past it for fear of registering even the slightest blip!
And, furthermore...I'm done watching these debates. The only ones with any substance are given mere seconds to speak while Wolf Blitzer or whomever keeps inturrupting them. The only that doesn't get interrupted is her. And her little nudge, nudge, wink, wink with Campbell Brown was too irritating for words.
I want the President of the United States to actually care about the citizens of the country to which he or she presides. Not just someone who cares about fulfilling his or her personal ambitions. We've already got one in office who's simply there to quench his drunken thirst for power. We don't need another one.
Posted by: greg | November 18, 2007 7:39 PM
Bill Clinton is the anti-christ. No, I'm not making a joke. He really is the anti-christ.
Posted by: Mike | November 18, 2007 7:44 PM
This guy Jeff - claiming to be a former agent - is full of crap. This is no agent writing here. He spells like a fifth grader, doesn't know how to punctuate, and has no grasp of structure. Sure - he was an agent. In his own Walter Mitty world, maybe.
Phil 's friend didn't disclose any "secrets". He said what any person remotely connected to the Clinton's already knows - that Hillary is a foul mouthed, nasty, ex radical hippie who despises the military, her SS detail, and anyone else who has the power that she lusts for.
Posted by: Bruce | November 19, 2007 9:38 AM
While I can't confirm this because I personally was not there to hear it, my mother-in-law was having dinner with some friends who are members of a country club in Arkansas that the Clintons belong to. The dinner happened shortly after the Monica Lewinski story broke. My mother-in-law was questioning why Hillary would stay with Bill, and the couple said that she shouldn't feel too bad for Hillary because she had her own "friends." At the time, my mother-in-law figured that it was an agreement that they made to avoid hurting Bill's political career. Like I said this was a second-hand story, but my mother-in-law said that the person telling her the story had no reason to tell her anything but the truth, and happened to mention this rather non-chalantly and didn't dwell on it.
In retrospect, I can see now that the Clintons may have had this vision. I still think that Bill was the greatest president since Kennedy. However, I'll be supporting Barack in the next election.
Posted by: Bob | November 19, 2007 9:50 AM
If Hillary becomes CIC then the whole world will know our election process is corrupt.
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Posted by: J. Philip, Mt. Olive, Louisiana | November 19, 2007 10:23 AM
I am a Republican, but THERE IS one Dem that I would vote for in a heartbeat: Bill Richardson
He's been a Congressman, the Secretary of Energy Dept., a UN Ambassador, and now a Governor...
And the great thing is, like MLK said, people judge him on the quality of his character, not the color of his skin. The fact that he's Hispanic only proves that we are becoming MLK's dream!
Posted by: Dan, Columbus, OH | November 19, 2007 10:30 AM
I suspect that Ms Hillary was and is indifferent to Mr. Bill's various assignations because she is disinterested in what others would consider a normal marital relationship. She is obligated to feign interest for the sake of appearances, which burden a public figure.
Is there a "secret pact?" That's language more appropriate for the fantasy life of pre-teenage boys in a makeshift clubhouse making an agreement that is "to bind them all of their lives," or at least until the next school year.
The language is melodramatic. Is Ms Hillary ambitious? Undoubtedly. Did they go through an unobserved ritual to formulate an agreement? Grow up.
This sounds so conspiratorially silly that it defies the imagination. Yet it evokes consideration and comment.
Could someone realistically recreate the scenario in which the parties entered into the "secret pact?" That such silly speculation enters the public forum, boggles the mind.
Posted by: Johnson | November 19, 2007 10:42 AM
"Secret pact?" You are only scratching the surface. Secret? Of course. No outsider will ever know or understand what truly meshes a marriage bond. Pact? Ditto. Great, perhaps will be legendary, lesson in remaining faithful to the covenant, tenaciously speaking.
Posted by: MC | November 19, 2007 10:45 AM
Is anyone so naive they can't see that when Hillary cherry picked New York as the launching pad for her political career, it was merely a stop over for her singular goal as President? Neither Bill nor Hillary seem to have any defining values, ideas or vision, beyond their shared Machiavellian need to weild power and further their self aggrandizement. Both are exceptionally bright and shrewd but seem to have no real moral compass or defining vision of what the Country needs. Obama, for all his faults, is FAR mor genuine and transparent than Hillary. If elected, Hillary may well be the MOST calculating and scripted person to ever hold the office. Combine Clinton paranoia with the preternatural hatred of them by the lunatic fringe of the right, and you have the makings for the nastiest and most dysfucntional goverment in U.S. history. Personally, I am begining to thibnk that we should scrap the Constitution and start anew, but for the transition we can keep a workign Congress made up of 535 randomly selected citizens from all walks fo life, over age 25, with four year college degrees and IQ's of at least 110 to assure some degree of basic intelligence and competence. The President would be elected from among those 535 and no one could serve more than 8 years in natiobnal office, except the President who would be limited to 16 years total.
Our governmental system is broken beyond repair and a new Constitution, in which only individuals can petition the government for redress, all elections are publically funded and spending money for or donating money to others is regarded as bribery and not as speech, can fix it.
Posted by: Mike in NYC | November 19, 2007 10:48 AM
Hillary believes "It Takes A Village Idiot" to run this country. In her mind she's the best idiot. I believe in the latter but not her original premise.
Posted by: Tex Don | November 19, 2007 10:48 AM
Hillary had her own "assignations." The rumor I heard was that this is why Vince Foster was murdered in Fort Marcy park, he and Hillary were together for many years and he knew too much. She has no moral compass - whatever and whoever happen are incidental to her gaining the power she feels she is owed. For the "good" of the country is not even on her horizon, it has no bearing on her reality. The power she is owed is all that matters, and inher own mind, it is what she is owed!!
Posted by: Miranda from New Orleans | November 19, 2007 11:22 AM
I can't believe Hillary even gets the time of day from anyone. At least Bill was a governor, and Osama, oops Obama, for crying out loud, took his oath on the KORAN! In these times, does America want a terrorist, oops Muslum, in the White House???????
Posted by: Duh | November 19, 2007 12:15 PM
Most of you guys are total loons. You need to get to the nearest and closest hospital and look for "psychiatry". No wonder most of you don't know anybody who is going to vote for Hillary. That's because you are crazy and most of your friends are imaginary.
Posted by: Arthur | November 19, 2007 12:22 PM
As far as I'm concerned all of the major media darlings (Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Guiliani, Romney, Thompson, and McCain) are all in the pocket of special interests like the Council on Foreign Relations (ever heard of the Rockefeller family) and big business. Restoring America's greatness will not happen by electing one of these establishment members. Instead we should elect Congressman Ron Paul, the only man who will get us out of Iraq, secure our borders, and eliminate the illegal attacks on our civil liberties that this administration has so agressively pursued. If you want president who believes in small government, the rule of law, and ending our illegal and ill advised interventions overseas, than consider voting for Ron Paul.
ronpaul2008.com
Posted by: Luke | November 19, 2007 12:29 PM
Everyone should vote for the logical choice - Frank Zappa. Yes - I know he's dead, but voting for anyone in this race - ANYONE - and you are part of a process of electing brain-dead individuals who have as their agendas nothing for us - only for themselves. SO - send a message.. If everyone voted for Frank - I think the message would be very clear - yes? PS: Life's a bitch. Don't vote for one too.
Posted by: charlie | November 19, 2007 12:50 PM
Woohoo! We can get 16 years of Clinton administration.
Posted by: AJ | November 19, 2007 12:53 PM
There may be something to Obama's comment. I recall Bill Clinton speaking to the press in front of the Arkansas Governor's Mansion the day after he won the 1992 election. In the background, you could see Hillary pacing back and forth on the front porch. She looked like a cat waiting to pounce on the canary. She's finally getting that chance.
The problem is I like Obama probably even less than Hillary.
Posted by: Stewart | November 19, 2007 2:00 PM
Of course it's a long-running plan....N.W.O. trash. Haven't seen if Barak is a part of it, but Hillary.....? YOu better believe it....globalization ahoy!!
Ron Paul 2008
Posted by: Hal | November 19, 2007 2:01 PM
Have you guys taken your meds yet? Seriously, do you know how RIDICULOUS and STUPID most of you sound, and you wonder why people don't take you seriously. Please, turn your computer off and go take your meds, and believe you will feel way better.
Posted by: Linched | November 19, 2007 2:07 PM
I'm posting here because the posts I made in Novak: Hillary vs Obama are relevant to this article.. my posts begin at page 15 nov 18 2007 12.16 and continue to page 21. Short synopsis Hillary told me in 1971 she was being funded by international group to make Bill and later her president. I believe documents may exist that will confirm my story, I am attempting to get a investigation started.. whether you believe me or not, whether documents still exist or not.. I am telling the truth. Richard
Posted by: Richard | November 19, 2007 2:13 PM
The pact began more than 20 years ago; it goes back to the Clintons' college days. Funny, how Hillary would deny gays and lesbians the chance to have what she never has had- a real marriage.
Posted by: Chad Williams | November 19, 2007 2:23 PM
An ambitious politician? EGAD!!!! I guess Barrack doesn't have an ambitious bone in his body? I myself am glad to see a woman aspire to do the unthinkable, and thanks to her weak opponents (Barrack) she just might attain those aspirations.
Posted by: RVME | November 19, 2007 2:26 PM
How can anyone even consider voting for Richardson..he said human rights are more important than national security. If your city/country blows up what rights are you talking about?..Democrats are WEAK. Say what you want about Bush and any Reb. candidates but we have NOT been attacked since 911.....the result of Bill not taking down OBL.
Posted by: b.l. | November 19, 2007 2:40 PM
This are all games concocted by the republicans to get you distracted from the real issue: Are you willing to have another 4 years of an impotent, inadequate,
incompetent, and ineffective Republican administration....Oh no, not me and I AM A REPUBLICAN, BUT AFTER 8 YEARS OF BUSH AND A VERY INCAPABLE ADMINISTRATION, I WILL AND I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THE DEMS. WHOEVER GET SELECTED THE DEMS IN THE PRIMARY WILL HAVE MY VOTE AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA TO BE HILLARY. I AM SURE THAT SHE WILL BE 10,000 TIMES BETTER THAN THAT THUG GUILIANI OR ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN FOR THAT MATTER.
Posted by: Robert Gastings | November 19, 2007 3:35 PM
This is beautiful! Keep it up, all of you, please! I am forwarding this link to all of my friends, family, and associates. I want them to see what loonacy surrounds them and their support for the Dems. Vast right-wing conspiracy, huh? I don't think the right can come up with stuff as good as this on their own.
Seriously, all of us would be way better off if we made our decisions based on common-sense and NOT personal feeling, no matter how much it tugs at the heart-strings. Any of us that have been divorced know what trouble can come from letting something other than the mind rule our decision making :)
Posted by: DS | November 19, 2007 3:45 PM
Insert clever comment here. Insert criticism of opponent in support of favorite candidate here. Insert witty closing quote here.
Posted by: jdwren | November 19, 2007 3:46 PM
Jeff, You're a secret service???? Are you a child or an idiot? You made the claim twice. Not, I'm a secret service agent, or, I work for the secret service??? That is ludicrous. I'm forwarding your claim to your parents.
Posted by: Robert Henry | November 19, 2007 3:48 PM
Robert, joking about another secret service is not funny. I'm going to report you and you'll get a visit from Clint Eastwood.
Posted by: b.l. | November 19, 2007 4:28 PM
The Clinton's marriage couldn't be more about convenience if there were a Slurpy Machine and a Slim-Jim rack at the foot of their bed.
Posted by: Poopy Pants | November 19, 2007 4:39 PM
Ron Paul is really the only answer. He isnt bought and paid for like the other candidates. For those who say he is "insane" think about what Einstein said..."Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." That is exactly what the voters are doing if they elect Hillary, Mitt, Rudy, Obama, or Edwards...they are all the same.
And does anyone think that Paul is really an isolationist considering he just wrote a book called " Foreign Policy of Freedom: "Peace, Commerce, And Honest Friendship" Come on people, wake up and do your own research and you will find that most of those who trash Dr. Paul are not people qualified to give any advice. Go to youtube.com and search for Ron Paul to hear the man in his own words and then make your own decision.
Posted by: Brian | November 19, 2007 4:48 PM
It's deplorable when politicians go to using slime tactics to scare voters from voting for a candidate. Is there a "pact"? What pact? All you have to do is say it enough and it becomes a scandal of sorts even though there is not a shred of evidence.
Maybe we should start listening to those that say Obama is a transvestite? Or those that say Edwards is into torture? The point is.. why would a candidate spread lies and rumor around? It only comes back to stick to you.
Telling it like I see it,
Wynter
Posted by: Wynter | November 19, 2007 4:48 PM
Are you kidding me? She is not part of the Good old Boys Club? Does no one here realize that for the last 20 years the us has been run by only two families...Tha Bush's and The Clintons... Yeah, She is not part of that good old boys club at all! Although Her last name is CLINTON! Is that what we need, More of the same...I think Not!
Please vote for Change if nothing els, not these two families any longer...
/j.
Jeez! Wake up America!
Posted by: J | November 19, 2007 5:15 PM
YES, REMEMBER WHEN REVEREND JERRY FALWELL HAD TO APOLOGIZE FOR HIS ROLE IN ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED DIATRIBE,
ABOUT BILL CLINTON? I DO!
AND I DISMISS ALL OF IT!
GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: RENE | December 17, 2007 11:04 PM
YES, REMEMBER WHEN REVEREND JERRY FALWELL HAD TO APOLOGIZE FOR HIS ROLE IN ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED DIATRIBE,
ABOUT BILL CLINTON? I DO!
AND I DISMISS ALL OF IT!
GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: RENE | December 17, 2007 11:05 PM
Hillary and Bill are the biggest frauds ever unleashing upon the stupid public. All you supporters should read the dozens of books out there written by people who know them intimately. It's quite shocking. Even George Stephanopolous and Dee Dee Myers have said publicly that Hillary has treated them both shabbily, embarassing them in front of a room full of strangers for no reason, and becoming almost psychotic in her hatred and paranoia towards those who would question her. She never forgets or forgives an anemy. It's time we shook loose of the Clinton/Bush gang and looked to the future through Mr. Obama. He reminds me of a young Bobby Kennedy, all fire and high hopes and wanting to bring us together as the UNITED States of America. We NEED this in this country now. Clinton will only follow Bush's lead and nothing will change. More war, higher taxes, and 4-8 years of seeing those silly Clintons on stage, clapping their hands and grinning, and looking in fake delighted surprise at some stranger in the audience like it's their best friend. And hearing more of Bill Clinton's "Aren't I great" speeches are too much for this old gal to stomach. People, please. Give Obama the thumbs up. It could break the downward spiral the Clintons and Bushes have put us in for twenty years.
Posted by: faye dolan | January 13, 2008 9:41 AM