Wow! This is wonderful journalism from Frank James.
At least Bill wasn't able to fool everybody. Obama's argument has been that "the vaunted" Washington experience that the Clintons are alluding to was not relevant in 1992 according to Bill's argument then, and it's not relevant now based on those same argument. The examples of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Hillary backing the Iraqi invasion was to put faces to "the Washington experience" that don't equate to good judgment.

Wow! This is wonderful journalism from Frank James.
At least Bill wasn't able to fool everybody. Obama's argument has been that "the vaunted" Washington experience that the Clintons are alluding to was not relevant in 1992 according to Bill's argument then, and it's not relevant now based on those same argument. The examples of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Hillary backing the Iraqi invasion was to put faces to "the Washington experience" that don't equate to good judgment.

Thank you, Mr. James.
My thoughts exactly.

Nixon's "plumbers" are back, different party that's all.

exactly

It's time to Rise and Shine again America.

Elect Barack Obama President of the United States of America.

Frank James, is isn't it difficult for you to type while your tongue is constantly all over Obama's shoes?

Oh, and it really wasn't necessary for you to remind us that you're no logician.

Bill and Hillary are making themselves more irrelevant every time they open their mouths. It seems that Edwards and Obama have just started ignoring them. Looks like a 3rd or 4th place finish (behind the surging Biden) for Clinton.

Clinton 1992
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMlrSG1xb5k
vs.
Clinton 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_45KK8jwJR0
on experience….
Who is right????? Again he speaks out of both sides of his mouth when it’s politically expedient.

Everything Bill Clinton is saying about Obama is about 100 times nicer than the Republicans will say about him if he's the nominee. Obama should be using this as a way to get ready for the GOP hate machine if he's the nominee.

Thank you Frank James for making this important point so well. As I listened to Clinton, my first reaction was "give me a break ~ you train is running off the rails.

How is it that a man of his recognized brilliance stoop to that kind of fuzzy and misleading statement?

As to Charlie Rose, fact that he allowed the statement to stand and even smiled just infuriated me. Is he so beguiled by Clinton's charisma that he can't bring himself to counter that type of remark? I think so.

Then there was Clinton's statement that he has never felt or acted like he was married to Hillary throughout their marriage! While his involvement with other women support his claim, it was a dumb thing to say on National TV ~ not only from a political point of view but also as regards Chelsea's feelings. We don't need to be reminded how he is unable to control his appetites particularly when under stress or overtired.

His judgement was seriously impaired on a wide range of issues ~ so his current tirade is just a reminder of how out of control he can become when he doesn't get his way ......" not the kind of advisor our next president needs" says this Maine Democrat who voted for him twice.

Fortunately, the audience demographic that watches The Charlie Rose Show is simply too educated and too sophisticated to fall for Bill Clinton's sophistry. Barack Obama is surging ahead because voters are becoming convinced that he has the intelligence, character and presidential temperament to function well in the Oval Office.

Combine these personal qualities with a compelling message of change, and you have a winning combination that can trump any sort of sleaze the Clintons can throw at him. In fact, the more they engage in it, the more starkly they prove Obama's point about the necessity of transcending ugly, old-school smear tactics and machine politics - as epitomized by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Yes. My thoughts exactly on Bill's Bogus Comparison. Good to see it in print. However much I do like Bill, he is a true king of B.S. His wife is more of the same without the charisma. It is time to move on from the past.

I was exactly thinking the something listing to the interview. I was actually screaming out loud to the TV, "what if the experienced doctor, who is been with hospital as a nurse assistant for long time but been a doctor for about about 7 years, is the one who took out the wrong kidney last time and also what if they tell you their is a another brilliant doctor who in new to the hospital since he has been with them only for two years but has worked in a smaller hospital for more than a decade. What do you do?" That was the correct and better analogy. I would take the new doctor, don't you?

Yes, I'd like to know how Bill can claim that Hillary is the one who can beat the Republicans, but she is having trouble beating the plumber/chef candidate.

Didn't I hear that Hillary's staff was in the control room trying to shut Bill up?

Measure Obama's qualifications by standard criteria--job description and requirements--for the position of president, which are commonly applied to candidates for top executive jobs, and he comes up short:

Criticizing foreign policy, use of the military, executive power--it is not professional competence or proven executive experience recognized by respected professionals in the field; Obama's career reflects social, legal, and legislative work; which is to say, his competencies are in those fields.

His credentials recommend him to legal work: logically, it makes no more sense to hire him to command the military, conduct foreign diplomacy, or run the executive than to hire a kitchen chef from the local vegitarian restaurant to do open heart surgery on customers complaining of indigestion due to meat contamination in their Caesar salad.

Criticizing public policy does not qualify Obama for the presidency.

And selling an Obama campaign image to the public by associating the man Obama to favorable commercial icons does not an executive or military leader but a fictitious image make; it generates a false iconic image by appealing to favorable stereotypes; it is an attempt to generate in people's minds who are susceptible to the marketing technique a belief in executive competence based on image not fact--to substitute a fictitious campaign image in place of documented executive, military, and foreign policy credentials.

Based on that, it makes no more logical sense to hire Obama for the job of president than it does to hire a model from Gentlman's Quarterly Magazine.

Irrespective of political ideology and image, the fact is that Obama--lawyer and senator marketing and advancing popularized policy positions as a presidential candidate--lacks concrete executive, military, and foreign policy credentials recommending him to the job of president, proven competence equal to the functional powers and duties of the office.

Who's running Bill or Hillary? It's really a damed shame how these two are acting and that's why our younger generation hates politics and are reaching out for change across the country. Furthermore, maybe Bill feels threatened on being recognized as one of the second best black presidents(really)? if OBAMA is elected. By the way Frank, I am gald you saw right through this one.

obama reminds me of a little boy telling grown ups what he wants to be when he grows up.

So I guess what Bill is suggesting is that if I need surgery, I should go back to the guy who left Tweezers in my chest because after all they know how to open and close my chest!
Gimme a break!
Obama 08

This is exactly the kind of verbal mumbo jumbo that Bill and Hillary Clinton are famous for. With him, though, he speaks in slow motion so it doen't take long to realize it's garble. With Hillary, on the other hand, it may take a few days because she blasts your eardrums out and you can't really make out right away what she's talking about.

Bill's praise of his wife is based on nasty and mean mudslinging at Obama. If this is NOT nepotism at its worse, I'd like to see another example. Bill's injustice makes me ashamed to be a Democrat.

I saw the Charlie Rose interview, and frankly I thought Bill Clinton was a disappointment in his attempt to promote his wife's candidacy. At times, he was illogical and was flubbing it. Maybe he thought nobody would notice and the public would be satisfied just hearing from Bill, no matter what logic or illogic he used. Prior to the completion of the interview, I lost interest, stopped listening and changed channels.

Bill Clinton is teaching logic now? I think he should stick to subjects he has more experience with.

Bill Clinton should be ashamed of himself, he knows dern well this is not the same analogy. Either he's stupid here or he's really trying to make Obama look stupid. And it isn't Obama, it is Bill Clinton trying to twist things. Obama is clearly talking about people experience, not different 'trades'. Obama is clearly saying that just because Dick Cheney and Bush had this experience, doesn't mean anything. He's making the case as to why he should be president with his kind of experience, so he's not talking of getting a Baker or Candlemaker instead, like Bill Clinton is saying or trying to make us believe. I'm very much surprised at Bill Clinton. That's awful. He's as bad as his wife.

I thought Bill Clinton is exactly right about this. Obama has been trying to make inexperience a virtue, which is very dangerous for the most important job in our country. I think Clinton's analogy is excellent.

If your mom is sick do you want an experienced doctor to operate on her or you want someone who tells you " I don't have enough experience nor much record of experience; but I can offer you
hope and I can give you a very inspiring speech" do you let him to operate on your mom? If you do, you might have to go to your mom's funeral next week.

I can't wait until Hillary becomes the nominee and all you Obama fans will be singing her praises.

Wendy,
I would rather have a plumber conduct an operation on me than the quack doctor who operated on Kanye West's mom.

Obama has twice the number of years in elected office that Hillary has, but now he's a plumber. A drug dealing muslim plumber.

Bill's got leaky plumbing.

It's great watching all of you dissect the "logic" of political debate.

Hillary's experience is a track record of failures during her husband's term and refusal to admit when she's been wrong on issues like Iraq . She also repeated the same mistake with the Kyl-Lieberman amendment. We don't need another president with a track record of failure and cold pig-headed stubbornness. In the last campaign days she is now "acting" like she is a softer person.

Obama has been both successful in his legislative career -- a career longer than either Clinton or Edwards -- and able to admit and learn from those times when he's made mistakes. That's the kind of experience, honest, and judgement we need. We are where we are now not because of Bush's lack of experience - but because of his vision. We need new vision.

And if experience is your thing, Obama has that too:

- Senate Foreign relations committee

- Homeland Security committee

- Veterans affairs

- 10 years constitution law professor

- grassroots organizer

- State Senate

- US Senate

"I can't wait until Hillary becomes the nominee and all you Obama fans will be singing her praises.

Posted by: Terry | December 17, 2007 7:55 PM"

Terry, you assume way too much, in that you think Dems will blindly line up and vote along party lines, when those days are OVER. I would sooner vote for McCain than Clinton, in a heartbeat. If the Dem "establishment" routes Obama in favor of yet another Corporate robot (i.e., Kerry in 2004; Clinton in 2008), I will become an Independent. Your hubris (and that of your highly defective chosen candidate) is evident and oh-so unbecoming. (read: Clinton's statement to Couric, "It WILL be me.") She has been found wanting and that will not change, even if she gets the nomination... the only ones "singing her praises" are mindless followers like you (oh, and Bubba, Chelsea, and her mom)...

Bill Clinton -a liar, convicted perjurer, a sexual abuser, and an adulterer, who ought to have been convicted as a sexual predator, was recently, misrepresenting Sen. Obama's candidacy for the presidency, just to prop up his incompetent wife's candidacy.

Bill Clinton has embarked on the campaign trail, urging voters to vote for Hillary Clinton. Who would like to take character witness testimony from a convicted perjurer like Bill Clinton -a man who brought shame and disgrace to the Office of the Presidency of the United States, than no president before, nor since him.

The fact that people still come to listen to Bill Clinton's gigs is disappointing. Attending events by Bill Clinton legitimizes the shameful behaviors and conducts this guy engaged in. America may not yet have seen the worst this guy is capable of. Just try and get his wife in the office, and wait and watch. I hope it does not happen.

Which Americans did not hold their heads in shame, when the sordid details of how Bill Clinton used Cigars to grope Monica Lewinsky, not to mention, what he did to Jennifer Flowers and other women, who said, Bill Clinton sexually assaulted them. From what the public learnt from insiders in the Clinton White House, Hillary Clinton orchestrated campaign of misinformation to further denigrade, humiliate and mentally abuse the women. Yet, we now have the stooges in the civil rights movement, and the self professed feminists, who, like little birds, are now singing Hillary Clinton's praises. What bloody hypocrites!

Hillary Clinton is running for the presidency, only as a stand-in for third term in office for Bill Clinton. Any intellgent person knows that, unlike most women in public office (who earned their positions through their hardwork and smarts), Hillary has relied on name recognition, and does not have the smarts to manage anything, not even, contain her philandering husband, by reading him the riot act, as most women would.

The fact that Hillary Clinton is getting any support at all, after all she and Bill Clinton put this country, through, with the scandals and bitter partisanship, is disgraceful to our collective intelligence as a nation. What a profoundly, gullible electorate, we have in this country!

Other than a patronage job (a very short one for that matter), which Hillary Clinton had at the Rose Law Firm in Arkansas, when Bill Clinton was the State Governor, she has not held a job in her whole life, before, her senate seat.

Yes, she was the president's spouse. However, she has no accomplishment in and out of government during the 8 years, as proof of the "experience" she claims she has. If being the spouse of the president is a sufficient condition and qualification for the presidency, well, every former First Lady, ought to be seeking the presidency. Most of them are smarter than Hillary Clinton is and know better.

However, by some unholy epiphany, a sizable number of voters, including the famous Des Moines Register Editorial Board, based its endorsement of Hillary Clinton on her "experience". What a crock! I hope the Iowa voters, come Primary Election Day in first week of January 2008, would show the world that there are alot of smarter people in the State of Iowa, than their the Des Moines Register Editorial Board.

The voters in this country need to think long and hard about their choices, and buy into cliches, or buzz words from the pundits, and most so-called journalists we have, whose unmitigable professional incompetency, epitomizes the failure of our educational system.

Ignatius Anyanwu
Folsom, California.

Bill Clinton -a liar, convicted perjurer, a sexual abuser, and an adulterer, who ought to have been convicted as a sexual predator, was recently, misrepresenting Sen. Obama's candidacy for the presidency, just to prop up his incompetent wife's candidacy.

Bill Clinton has embarked on the campaign trail, urging voters to vote for Hillary Clinton. Who would like to take character witness testimony from a convicted perjurer like Bill Clinton -a man who brought shame and disgrace to the Office of the Presidency of the United States, than no president before, nor since him.

The fact that people still come to listen to Bill Clinton's gigs is disappointing. Attending events by Bill Clinton legitimizes the shameful behaviors and conducts this guy engaged in. America may not yet have seen the worst this guy is capable of. Just try and get his wife in the office, and wait and watch. I hope it does not happen.

Which Americans did not hold their heads in shame, when the sordid details of how Bill Clinton used Cigars to grope Monica Lewinsky, not to mention, what he did to Jennifer Flowers and other women, who said, Bill Clinton sexually assaulted them. From what the public learnt from insiders in the Clinton White House, Hillary Clinton orchestrated campaign of misinformation to further denigrade, humiliate and mentally abuse the women. Yet, we now have the stooges in the civil rights movement, and the self professed feminists, who, like little birds, are now singing Hillary Clinton's praises. What bloody hypocrites!

Hillary Clinton is running for the presidency, only as a stand-in for third term in office for Bill Clinton. Any intellgent person knows that, unlike most women in public office (who earned their positions through their hardwork and smarts), Hillary has relied on name recognition, and does not have the smarts to manage anything, not even, contain her philandering husband, by reading him the riot act, as most women would.

The fact that Hillary Clinton is getting any support at all, after all she and Bill Clinton put this country, through, with the scandals and bitter partisanship, is disgraceful to our collective intelligence as a nation. What a profoundly, gullible electorate, we have in this country!

Other than a patronage job (a very short one for that matter), which Hillary Clinton had at the Rose Law Firm in Arkansas, when Bill Clinton was the State Governor, she has not held a job in her whole life, before, her senate seat.

Yes, she was the president's spouse. However, she has no accomplishment in and out of government during the 8 years, as proof of the "experience" she claims she has. If being the spouse of the president is a sufficient condition and qualification for the presidency, well, every former First Lady, ought to be seeking the presidency. Most of them are smarter than Hillary Clinton is and know better.

However, by some unholy epiphany, a sizable number of voters, including the famous Des Moines Register Editorial Board, based its endorsement of Hillary Clinton on her "experience". What a crock! I hope the Iowa voters, come Primary Election Day in first week of January 2008, would show the world that there are alot of smarter people in the State of Iowa, than their the Des Moines Register Editorial Board.

The voters in this country need to think long and hard about their choices, and buy into cliches, or buzz words from the pundits, and most so-called journalists we have, whose unmitigable professional incompetency, epitomizes the failure of our educational system.

Ignatius Anyanwu
Folsom, California.

Republicans are people, not machines.

Hillary has introduced Chelsea into the political areana so I would like to ask her a question.
Considering your fathers past actions and his coninued foot in mouth speeches don't you think it would be in the best interests of America if he and your Mom rode off into the sunset?.