Edwards, Obama spar over size of table: The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted December 15, 2007 11:32 AM
The Swamp

by John McCormick

INDEPENDENCE, Iowa – With the Iowa caucuses less than three weeks away, it is hyper-rapid-response time. Consider the comments of Sen. Barack Obama this morning inside an event and auction center here.

Less than a day after former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards suggested Obama is too conciliatory in his leadership approach, Obama shot back his own, clearly prepared retort.

Edwards, campaigning Friday in a northeast Iowa town that Obama visited at roughly the same time, suggested the Illinois Democrat's proposed leadership style would not serve him well in reforming health care and fixing other problems.

"He talks about bringing drug companies, insurance companies ... to the table and working with them and negotiating and compromising," Edwards said Friday. "I just think that'll never work. If that would work, it would have worked years ago. If that worked, we'd have universal health care. We don't."

Obama often suggests he would form a "big table" that would include all interests involved in the health care issue when trying to tackle the matter, although he emphasizes that the insurance industry and drug companies would not be able to buy all the chairs.

But that seems to leave Edwards curious about whether such an approach would really work, considering the more people at the table, the harder it often is to make a decision on even something as simple a pizza flavor, much less health care reform.

Would it yield incremental change or the major change Obama is promising? Voters will soon get to decide.

In the meantime, here is Obama's response to Edwards:

"He argued that, that, you know, Barack, the problem is he thinks you can negotiate with insurance companies and drug companies ... You know what, the key to getting this done is to empower the American people, but you also have to have negotiations and you have to be able to listen. Otherwise, stuff is not going to happen….The notion that they will have no say so at all, is just not realistic. It's just not true."

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The powerful interests in this country, like powerful interest in any country, do not give up power and money unless they have to.

We need massive change, in order to turn this corporate-controlled country around.

Edwards is the man. Obama and Hillary will be targeted with racial and gender prejudice that will hurt them, perhaps even probably stop them from assuming office.


Another desperate dash by John Edwards.... hummmm

OBAMA --34%
Edwards--- 24%
CLinton----24%

HOw else can we explain John's action?


All that needs to be done is to convince investors its in their best interest to lose their money. Then the politicians can force them to work for nothing and they will be the populist heroes we expect them to be. Or we can figure out that the laws of supply and demand will not be overruled.
If you reduce the price of ANY service the demand rises. Without an increase in supply rationing will result.
Try to buy a kidney in this country legally. You can't. The government rations them. They decide who gets a donated organ.
Supply, demand, price. The price may be time you don't have and can't buy.


Edwards is acting, not being truthful, just as he downplays how he not only voted for the Iraq war, but he co-sponsored the bill and defended it for over a year, energetically. Edwards' voting record when he was senator reads like a Republican's, he's more like Lieberman than like Feingold, and I prefer Feingold so I choose Obama. Edwards knows full well there will be negotiations with corporations or nothing will go forward. Edwards knows he's negotiated with corporations before - that's what you do before you take a corporation to court. If Edwards thinks running the country and working with other countries is like winning a court trial with dramatics and emotional manipulation, he's more wet behind the ears than I thought. What the heck is this Edwards' experience, anyway? All I know about Edwards' achievements are the Iraq War and a 32% rating from the League of Conservation Voters. Obama can point to ethics bills as an achievement in his short time as US Senator, just as he can for his state senator years. Obama got healthcare for over 100,000 and lowered taxes on the middle class as state senator, too. What does Edwards even claim he ever achieved as senator?


Please, let's open our eyes to the reality of John Edwards. He has made millions upon millions of dollars through his hedge funds from the "greed" of the very same corporations he now condemns. Not invite them to his table? He got pretty fat when he sat at their table. He lives one of the most posh lives of any candidate, from his multi-million dollar home to his haircuts. Besides Hillary tried this back against the wall approach and it failed miserably, only bringing people together will solve the health care and so many other problems.
In addition Edwards blindly supported this awful Iraq war when he could have opposed it. Now that he is running for president that is all bad? Another switch of positions. Are we so used to being manipulated and lied to by the Republicans, that we Democrats now can't even see when one of our own is doing it to us. He uses his soft-spoken southern voice, heavy with emotionally laden language to lull us into believing his closing arguments in this campaign.
I beg you Democrats, please let's not be fooled again.
We need to unite behind a candidate who has not shifted, maneuvered or squirmed out of crucial positions over the years, and who does not have to convince us that NOW what he believes is really what he believes, that NOW his positions have changed for real, not because they will get him votes.
The only electable candidate who personifies the real shift we are looking for from this type of politics is Barack Obama. No explanations needed, just, as his campaign says, change we can believe in .


"The corporations, they're all coporationey! Greed, Corporations, ummm...... Class warfare (hope they don't bring up the fact that I worked at a hedge fund after the 2004 elections, or that I gave speeches about poverty for $35,000 a pop)."

--John Edwards


Barack Obama: empty promises from a career politician.

Obama does not even cover Americans in his health care proposal. Edwards does, and Edwards speaks the truth.

Obama would rather play with special interests than lead.


I don't really care which of the Democratic party candidates wins in Iowa, as long as it isn't John Edwards. This guy would be a perfect target for the Republicans to destroy in the general election.
Among all his other problems(building a 28,000 foot energy wasting mansion, $400 haircuts paid for by his contributors, ambulance-chasing legal career) all the Repubs have to do is have the voters go to "You Tube" -John Edwards Feeling Pretty". Over 1,000,000 have already viewed this video, and if Edwards is the nominee, that number will soar to millions more. It shows Edwards displaying his pitiful vanity and is hard to forget or forgive.


This may be the most important election in our time, and these candidates know it. I think we are likely to see those who do not get the nomination splintering off via Unity08 or some other independent route to stay in the race. This campaign has been guided by so much hype, and I think the trailing candidates know it. We need the best possible people running for the presidency.


Edwards is right. The powerful interests that control this country will not give up their power willingly. Anyone that believes that is only fooling themselves.

The only reason these entrenched interests have managed to hold onto their power is because politicians are afraid of ticking them off because they want to keep getting their campaign contributions. Edwards isn't afraid of making them mad because he doesn't take their money and doesn't want their money. He's in this fight for us not to play both sides of the fence like the rest of the candidates.

Wake up America -- you FINALLY have a chance to make a difference by voting for a candidate that TRULY will fight for us.


Why is it that John Edwards and his supporters are always talking about how he'll fight "for you"? I don't want a candidate that will fight for me; I want a candidate that will fight with me.


How can anyone take someone who lives in a 35,000 sq. ft. house, who worked at a hedge fund for two years, who gave poverty lectures for $35,000 a piece, and gets $400 haircuts seriously? This is the guy who is going to take on the special interests?

Where was this kind of enthusiasm from Edwards when he was in the Senate? (where he voted for the Iraq War, and numerous Free Trade Agreements (like the one with China he has since distanced himself from))


Edwards has some good ideas--but no EXPERIENCE putting them into action.

(He accomplished nothing as a 1-term senator. In fact, in the middle of that term, he abandoned his constituents and NC to campaign for himself.)

As I recall, Jimmy Carter had good ideas, too (especially on energy) but no Washington experience and as a result, accomplished little as president.

If EVERYONE stopped taking contributions (from everyone--because there are always ways around things) then yeah, you could do things Edwards' way--but right now that's not possible.

It would be better if Edwards quit campaigning for himself and campaigned for just one thing--like Al Gore has done. Then maybe he'd have some experience to be president.


John Edwards is not the real deal. Before he decided to run for president, he had no creditials for working for the poor or for unions. Now, he has transformed himself into "people's candidate". I don't buy it. This man doesn't believe in anything. He only wants to be president. Why else would he hand over his senatorial seat to a Republican.


I think people trash talking Edwards, saying he's not genuine, etc., etc., haven't really listened to him. I think a lot of people aren't listening to him because he is a white-male. They may tell themselves they are put off because he made money doing this or that, or because of the haircut thing, but really these people have not listened to him, because they understandably would like to see a woman or a person of color in power. And so Edward's, who I believe is the most passionate of any of the major candidates about helping the poor, the middle class, women, and people of color - the most fed up with the corporate control of our political system and determined to work very hard to change it - is not heard. Whoever the Democrats nominate has an excellent chance of winning the general election, so electability shouldn't affect how anyone votes. Nor should the color of one's skin or gender. Please actually try to listen to Edwards, and not let the right wing mantras about his hair or the cost of his house effect your judgement about him.

As much as I would love to see a black man or a woman be elected president, as much as I'd like to think the feeling of unity that so many felt immediately after Sept. 11 in this country could somehow be brought back without having to first address the uncomfortable fact that our democracy has basically been hijacked by corporations ... I have concluded that Edwards is the right person for the job of president now. His campaign, much, much more than any other, represents a chance for Democrats to reclaim the true meaning of the Democratic party, and to make democracy viable again in this country. Only he, of the three major candidates, has vowed to push for truly universal health care. We may not get another chance like this for a very long time.


Recently free ride for Obama from political press corps, and it feels besieged as it has to bat away incessant questions with Obama's significant shifts, flip flopping on issues such as Patriot Act, Defense of Marriage Act, Fast Track trade authority and benefits for same-sex couples. Given how little experience Obama has, its understandable that his campaign doesnt want any kind of focus on his record, These stories clearly raise questions about Obamas electability and serve as a stark reminder about how little the public knows about his positions. The Illinois chapter of the National Organization for Women, Obama said he would vote to repeal the Patriot Act. In 2006 Obama voted for the redrafted version of the Patriot Act that some critics contended made only minor changes to the original law. On Defense of Marriage Act Obama answered No,to the question: "Do you support repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act. On Fast Track authority, which requires Congress to vote yes or no and without amendments on pending trade deals, Obama opposes Fast Track authority because it is a usurpation of Congress' role to ensure that negotiated trade agreements serve the best interests of our country, including protection of the environment, worker rights and human rights.In remarks to the Detroit Economic Club in May, Obama said, I plan to be president, so I actually want Fast Track. But I'm willing to constrain myself in Fast Track to make sure that we’ve got strong labor and environmental protections.On benefits for same-sex couples, Obama said, he would need to evaluate the fiscal impact of extending Social Security benefits to same-sex couples that married couples currently receive. Also Barack Obama (D-IL)involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin Tony Rezko. Obama also linked to an alleged influence peddling scandal and was nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.


Edwards is being used by the Hillary Campaign, hence the Media to try and get Edwards a win in Iowa. In Hillary as attempt to not lose NH, NV, SC. Which is what will happen if Obama wins Iowa. Knowing full well that if Edwards did win Iowa he would lose NH, NV, SC and all the rest. Edwards has no resources, Money or campaign staff to battle past Iowa.
Edward had no change in his poll numbers and has done NOTHING new. Yet all of a sudden he is being talked about. Edwards was even over looked by the Iowa Registry paper, while Obama won The Boston Globe endorsement.
This is all apart of the Clinton strategy that will not work, as Obama will win Iowa.


Yep. And you know Paul Krugman, Taylor Marsh and Lynn Sweet are in on it.
Confrontation and only being obstinate are not conducive to change when you are trying to work with someone. Paul Krugman pisses me off. What a dick.


And here we go, with the Hillary inevitability perception back (underhandedly), media putting Obama and Edwards back in the same breath, but don't believe it. Obama still stands on his own, away from Edwards. GO OBAMA!! OBAMA '08!


'Here's a quote," Obama said with a smile. "'The same old experience is irrelevant. You can have the right kind of experience or the wrong kind of experience. And mine is rooted in the real lives of real people, and it will bring real results if we have the courage to change.'"

"And that was Bill Clinton in 1992."'


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