Guiliani TV ad questioned

The United States freed the hostages by begrudgingly signing the Algiers Accords, which required the United States to pledge "that it is, and from now on, will be the policy of the United States not to intervene, directly or indirectly, politically or militarily, in Iran's internal affairs."
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Not only that, but Reagan and Bush made a secret deal to sell Iran missles if they waited till inauguration day to release the hostages. See Iran-Contra, the first of many treasonous acts by the GOP.

Rudy is using Reagan's policy towards Iran as an example of standing up to terrorists.

Does that mean a President Giuliani would trade arms to Iran in exchange for terrorist concessions like Ronald Reagan did? Is that standing up? Is that "staying on offense and not backing down"?

Apparently Rudy intends to appease Iran, just like Reagan.

There goes Frank James again with his bias against the GOP. Everyone knows that facts and reality have no place in Republican political campaigns. Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Republicans never study history and never tell the truth, and they get away with it largely because they have their own cable network to spread their lies. Not only did President Carter get those hostages released, his deregulation of the airlines is what turned our economy around in the early 1980s, not the Reagan tax cuts. I think most people realize what a terrible president Reagan was, and how his policies helped the spead of terrorism.

Another Republican, who is dishonest with facts. Didn't Huckabee say that lying is a sin? Never seen this song and dance before.

So, the point of the ad is what, the Iranians were dropping stuff in their drawers over the prospect of a Reagan presidency, and that alone got the hostages freed? Typical GOP blather --legends in their own minds.

Rudy Ghouliani must be getting desperate to find something new to scare people with but he does have a point, Ronbo Reagan was just as big a crook (Iran Contra) as Rudy is now, so in that way I guess it makes since.

Rudy not only "talks" tough about terrorists, they're also his bestest friends!
This video looks at the recent revelations that Rudolph Giuliani's company, Giuliani Patners LLC has done, and still does, business with the Emir of Qatar, a man who has been associated with Osama Bin Laden and KSM.

Now if Rudy were such a stickler on Terrorism, as he claims, shouldn't this story elicit rage from Americans everywhere.

Oh that's right, Faux News and Co. are neglecting to report this damaging story. Why? Because Rudy is in bed with Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zur4X0Vypg

I hope the Republics nominate this snake oil salesman, "America's Playa"
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This is classic Giuliani.

The man doesn't know what truth is.

Sadly, few Americans likely remember what actually happened.

Lying does work.

Paul, the deregulation of the airlines set the economy ablaze in the early 1980s? Wow, that's a brand new Loony Left Surreal Alternative Reality World! In reality, Paul, the economy was still in the crapper from Jimmy Carter's sky high interest rates, sky high inflation and sky high unemployment. It was so bad a misery index was created under Carter.
It took a couple of years for Reagan's tax cuts to do their thing and set the
economy ablaze.
Regarding the hostages, I wouldn't be too proud of the fact that it took 444 days for the hostages to be released, Loons. I also wouldn't be too proud that the Iranians waited till Peanutbrain left. Shows they mocked his weakness.

Mr. George writes without attribution, "Plus, it was President Jimmy Carter's administration, not Reagan, who brokered the hostages' release – the Iranians only waited until Reagan was in office to embarrass the outgoing Carter." Nice of Mr. George to include a statement with no source and is only speculation because the Iranians never declared any reasons for their timing. So much for truth in journalism.

Reagan freed the hostages in 60 minutes and racism doesn't exist. Yep, it's easy being a Republican.

It's no big surprise that Wingers like Little Johhny D think Zombie Reagan was just the bestest President ever. Up until our current Prez Chimpy, Ronbo was that most corrupt and biggest phony of a President in modern US history and as a man, Reagan couldn't hold Jimmy Carter's jock strap.

Iran-Contra Affair
From Wikipedia:

The Iran-Contra Affair was a political scandal occurring in 1987 as a result of earlier events during the Reagan administration in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran, an avowed enemy, and illegally used the profits to continue funding anti-Sandinista rebels, the Contras, in Nicaragua.[1] Large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials.[2][3] The affair is still shrouded in secrecy. After the arms sales were revealed in November 1986, President Ronald Reagan appeared on national television and denied that they had occurred.[4] A week later, however, on November 13, Reagan returned to the airwaves to affirm that weapons were indeed transferred to Iran. He denied that they were part of an exchange for hostages.[5]

The affair links quite disparate matters: on one hand were the arms sales to Iran, and on the other, funding of Contra militants in Nicaragua. Direct funding of the Nicaraguan rebels had been made illegal through the Boland Amendment. The affair emerged when a Lebanese newspaper reported that the U.S. sold arms to Iran in exchange for the release of hostages by Hezbollah. Letters sent by Oliver North to John Poindexter support this.[6] However, the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. claims that the reason was to establish links with elements of the military in Iran. It is also noteworthy that the Contras did not receive all of their finances from arms sales, but also through drug trafficking of which the US was found to be aware.[7] This is delineated in the "Drug money" section below.

At the end of the Iran hostage crisis, Vice President George H. W. Bush and other VIPs wait to welcome hostages homeIn the late 1970s and early 1980s, the Middle East was faced with frequent hostage-taking incidents by hostile organizations. In 1979, Iranian students took hostage 66 employees of the United States embassy in Iran. On January 20, 1981, the day Ronald Reagan became President, the hostages were freed following the Algiers Accords. Hostage taking in the Middle East did not end there, however.[8] In 1983, members of Al-Dawa ("The Call"), an exiled Iraqi political party turned militant organization, were imprisoned for their part in a series of truck bombs in Kuwait. In response to the imprisonment, Hezbollah, an ally of Al-Dawa, took 30 Western hostages,[9] six of whom were American. Hezbollah demanded the release of the prisoners for these hostages.

Members of the Reagan Administration claim they believed that by selling arms to Iran, Iran would influence the Hezbollah kidnappers in Lebanon to release their hostages. At the time, Iran was in the midst of the Iran-Iraq War and could find few western nations willing to supply it with weapons.[10] The sale of arms would also, according to National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane, improve strained relations with Iran.[1]

The Iran-Contra report found that the sales of arms to Iran violated United States Government policy; it also violated the Arms Export Control Act.[2] Overall, if the releasing of hostages was the purpose of arms sales to Iran, the plan was a failure as only three of the 30 hostages were released.[9]

First arms sale
Michael Ledeen, a consultant of Robert McFarlane, asked Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres for help in the sale of arms to Iran.[11] The general idea behind the plan was for Israel to ship weapons to Iran, then the US would reimburse Israel with the same weapons. The Israeli government required that the sale of arms meet high level approval from the United States government, and when Robert McFarlane convinced them that the U.S. government approved the sale, Israel obliged by agreeing to sell the arms.[11] Reagan approved McFarlane's idea to reach out to Iran on July 18, 1985 while in a hospital bed recovering from cancer surgery.[12][12] In July 1985, Israel sent American-made BGM-71 TOW (Tube-launched, Optically-tracked, Wire-guided) anti-tank missiles to Iran through an arms dealer named Manucher Ghorbanifar, a friend of Iran's Prime Minister. One hostage, the Reverend Benjamin Weir was subsequently released, despite the completed arms sale. This ultimately proved Ledeen's plan a failure[8] with only three shipments through Israel.

"RUDY RUDY RUDY SPEAKS"

Okay, so I stole from the poor and gave to my MISTRESS. So I stole from the insane and gave to my MISTRESS. SO WHAT! SO WHAT, SO WHAT SO WHAT.

RONALD REAGAN CAME TO ME IN A DREAM AND SAID, IT'S OKAY WE STOLE MONEY TOO, FROM COLLEGE KIDS, FROM CRACK DEALERS WHO DIDN'T SELL OUR CRACK TO AFRICAN AMERICANS. IT'S OKAY RUDY, IT'S OKAY.

BUT DON'T EXPECT ANYONE TO VOTE FOR YOU NOW THOUGH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU STEAL FROM THE HANDICAP AND PAY TO PROTECT YOUR ADULTERAS WAYS AND MEANS OF KICKING YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN TO THE CURB, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T DO THAT!

What is Gulianni's record in fighting terrorism? Can't come-up with an example?

Of course you can't. That's why it makes as much sense for Gulianni to run for president as it would if Daley ran. Daley has more experience then Gulianni & Daley never had a terrorist attack on Chicago.

Go figure.

The reality of Giuliani's bid for the Presidency is that he is even dumber than the current Prez, and he is counting on the American public to be even dumber than he is. Rudy is an adulterer who spent public money to chauffeur his mistress and provide security for her while he was still married. Is that the kind of man you want in the White House?
Also, be wary of Judi (her real name) Nathan Giulani. She is no "First Lady." Read

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/09/giuliani200709

Paul, the deregulation of the airlines set the economy ablaze in the early 1980s? Wow, that's a brand new Loony Left Surreal Alternative Reality World! In reality, Paul, the economy was still in the crapper from Jimmy Carter's sky high interest rates, sky high inflation and sky high unemployment. It was so bad a misery index was created under Carter.
It took a couple of years for Reagan's tax cuts to do their thing and set the
economy ablaze.
Regarding the hostages, I wouldn't be too proud of the fact that it took 444 days for the hostages to be released, Loons. I also wouldn't be too proud that the Iranians waited till Peanutbrain left. Shows they mocked his weakness.

Posted by: John D | December 10, 2007 1:49 PM
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Sigh. I really like Jimmy Carter, and while he remained one of the most moral presidents we've had in the white house, he was not able to do much for the American economy and that was one of the reasons he still remains one of the most unpopular presidents. I'm afraid John's right in that respect.

However, too much has been made of the impact of Reagan on the American economy. For one, the benefits seen by American citizens were overwhelmingly received by the wealthy. The poor got much poorer under his presidency.

And John D, John E's right about Iran. We got our hostages released in part due to a dirty PR move by the Reagan administration. As a matter of fact, in regards to the economy America has made a good deal of money selling arms to other countries, a practice often practiced by Ronald Reagan.

As the great Bill Hicks said:
"I'm so sick of arming the world, then sending troops over to destroy the fucking arms, you know what I mean? We keep arming these little countries, then we go and blow the sh*t out of them. We're like the bullies of the world, y'know. We're like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheepherder's feet.

"Pick it up."

"I don't wanna pick it up, Mister, you'll shoot me."

"Pick up the gun."

"Mister, I don't want no trouble. I just came downtown here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about ten rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, Mister."

"Pick up the gun."

(He picks it up. Three shots ring out.)

"You all saw him - he had a gun."

Paul, the deregulation of the airlines set the economy ablaze in the early 1980s? Wow, that's a brand new Loony Left Surreal Alternative Reality World! In reality, Paul, the economy was still in the crapper from Jimmy Carter's sky high interest rates, sky high inflation and sky high unemployment. It was so bad a misery index was created under Carter.
It took a couple of years for Reagan's tax cuts to do their thing and set the
economy ablaze.
Regarding the hostages, I wouldn't be too proud of the fact that it took 444 days for the hostages to be released, Loons. I also wouldn't be too proud that the Iranians waited till Peanutbrain left. Shows they mocked his weakness.

Posted by: John D | December 10, 2007 1:49 PM

John.

Interest rates were higher on average over Reagan's first term than they were over Carter's term.

Not that a President has any more control over Fed policy than he does over the Judiciary or Congress.. or you do over reality.

And history (i.e. the Truth) has proven that the terrorists didn't "mock his weekness" as you would like to believe, it's more that they found someone they liked better. Someone willing to deal with them and give them what they wanted. I.E. Reagan & Ollie North & friends and their willingness to exchange favors with terrorists.

Crafty b, Carter inherited an improving economy. He left with a bad economy. In fact, it just wasn't a bad economy it was the worst since the 1930s. Interest rates take awhile to come down. Fact is, Carter left Reagan with sky high inflation, high and growing unemployment and sky high interest rates because of the high inflation. Things just don't happen overnight.

Carter inherited an improving economy.

Posted by: John D | December 10, 2007 6:30 PM

Little Johnny D,
Really? Then how come Gerald Ford couldn't get re-elected running against long shot Jimmy Carter? Why do you just make stuff up? Huckabee says that lying is a sin. Maybe you could act like a journalist and show us facts to back up your claim.

Dumb Dumb Janet, Ford barely lost to Carter. Ford lost because the country was fatigued by Watergate and the Vietnam War. Carter was a Washington outsider, a fresh face. It didn't have much to do with the economy, which was decent, but not great.
Dumb Dumb Janet, I keep telling you to stick to the Run Spot Run books. Your intellectual ability doesn't surpass that basic understanding.

Janet, I think John D believes that every republican president has the midas touch and that hoover was actually a democrat trying to ruin GOP's good name!!!

Crafty b, Carter inherited an improving economy. He left with a bad economy. In fact, it just wasn't a bad economy it was the worst since the 1930s. Interest rates take awhile to come down. Fact is, Carter left Reagan with sky high inflation, high and growing unemployment and sky high interest rates because of the high inflation. Things just don't happen overnight.

Posted by: John D | December 10, 2007 6:30 PM

Again. If you somehow ignore the fact that the President has as much control over the issues you keep repeating like a cheap pull-string toy as he does over what goes on in the Judiciary or Congress... And if you ignore the fact that the entire decade of the 70's was a period of recession (Was Carter president in 1970?).. and if you ignore the obvious correlation between spikes of inflation that occurred in 1973-74 (Pre-Carter) and then again in 1979-80 with, ohhhh.. tectonic international oil crises... and if you ignore Nixon's moronic price controls, and you ignore the fact that "economic things that take time" for Reagan, as you so astutely note, might have also taken time for Carter.. If you ignore the fact that the economy was doing anything but improving when Ford got bounced.

I guess... If you ignore history, the facts, and reason, well then your argument kind've makes some kind've sense.

sorta.

Crafty b, Carter inherited an improving economy. He left with a bad economy. In fact, it just wasn't a bad economy it was the worst since the 1930s. Interest rates take awhile to come down. Fact is, Carter left Reagan with sky high inflation, high and growing unemployment and sky high interest rates because of the high inflation. Things just don't happen overnight.

Posted by: John D | December 10, 2007 6:30 PM

One more thing. By extension of your argument, you obviously have no choice than to give Bill Clinton 100% of the credit for the booming economy, low inflation, and low interest rates during his tenure as President if you're going to give Jimmy Carter 100% of the blame for the opposite during his, right?

(I'd like to hear you weasel out of this one. This should be fun.)

Good for Rudy. Jimma Carter was the worse President America ever had.He gave Iran to militant Islamic jihadists.Gaveaway the Panama Canal.
His oil embargo rationed gas prices and closed gas stations on Sunday.
Paul Voelcker and crooked Bert Lance his Treasury Secretary raised interest rates to 22.5 percent sending inflation out of control and bankrupting real estate brokers home builders, and developers all over America.His high energy prices caused the hotel/motel industry to go into severe recession.
Thanks Rudy for showing how Reagan changed America in one hour when Carter had us in the tank. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

Is Rudy going to follow Reagan's footsteeps vis-a-vis the Beirut bombing?

Rudy Giuliani is the biggest serial exaggerator in American political history.
P.T. Barnum has nothing on him.

Good for Rudy. Jimma Carter was the worse President America ever had.

He gave Iran to

His oil embargo

His high energy prices

Posted by: Jerry White | December 11, 2007 9:53 AM

You forgot Disco, Jerry. Jimmy Carter also caused Disco.

So is it fair to say that George Bush caused 9/11?
Because that's no less ridiculous than referring to the 1979 oil embargo (but NOT the 73 oil crisis under Republican watch, of course) and the resulting energy price increases or Iran's leadership issues as "his" (i.e., Jimmy Carter's) fault.

Jerry. Try and find a four year period in our country's history that didn't have some bad stuff happen. Quit being an idiot. If you wanna call Jimmy Carter a bad President and then discuss things he actually did or had control over, that's one thing, but you're not. Your being an idiot. Next you'll be blaming Bill Clinton for causing the 1994 Northridge Earthquake.

Another 1 saying anything he wants to get his way.Why can we not have people like Ron Paul whom are true to their philosophies?