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Obama, Clinton spar over electability

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Posted December 11, 2007 2:43 PM
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by Christi Parsons and Jill Zuckman

Dueling Democratic conference calls broke out this afternoon over the question of whether Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama has the better chance of winning a general election as the party nominee.

The debate came fresh on the heels of a new New York Times/CBS News poll, in which 63 percent of Democratic voters polled said Clinton is most likely to win. Obama followed with 14 percent and former senator John Edwards with 10 percent.

In his press call, Obama said he isn't buying it.

Obama argues he can draw support in the general election from people who don't usually or always vote for the Democrat.

"In surveys, what you've seen is Republicans and independents are more open to my message of change than they are to any other candidate out there," Obama said.

The message was echoed in a subsequent pro-Obama conference call lead by former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle.

But the Clinton campaign countered with four supporters touting the New York senator's consistency on issues and ability to represent voters who don't necessarily subscribe to liberal dogma.

They also took veiled swipes at Obama for his inexperience, changed positions and liberal philosophy, though they rarely mentioned him by name.

"I don’t understand a candidate that seems to think he can offer one position in the early stages of his career and then when he reaches a national level he can change one position to the next," said Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas), an African American supporter of Clinton's.

Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) said the Democratic nominee has to be able to relate to moderate and independent voters, showing both strength and toughness and a concern for the middle class.

"I think Hillary Clinton has the best chance of being electable in swing parts of the country," said Bayh, whose home state has voted Republican in 16 out of 17 of the last presidential elections.

"The Oval Office is not a place for on the job training," said Bayh, echoing a common criticism of Obama without citing him by name. "Her experience, her seasoning are important for not just bringing hope, but delivering on hope."

Asked whether Obama is qualified from day one to be commander-in-chief, three of the four Clinton supporters remained quiet. Bayh, however, said it is not a yes or no question.

"The decision is whether there is somebody else who is better able to be commander in chief from day one," he said. "You can make that judgment without disparaging Barack Obama."

The Edwards campaign decided not to join in the round robin of conference calls, with press secretary Eric Schultz simply dashing off a memo on the subject.

"We'll let Democrats in red states speak for themselves," Schultz wrote. "But we'll
also remind you what CNN released today."

The new CNN poll he refers to shows Edwards performing best in head-to-head match-ups with the leading Republicans.

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"I don’t understand a candidate that seems to think he can offer one position in the early stages of his career and then when he reaches a national level he can change one position to the next," said Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas), an African American supporter of Clinton's."

You mean like Jack Kennedy who was vocally unsympathetic to the civil rights movement in his early career, but become a champion in later years? Or his brother Bobby who once worked for a Eugene McCarthy but became a chamption of civil liberties? Or perhaps Senator Robert Byrd who used to be with the KKK?


How about Edwards?? He is tied in Iowa, and probably will win due to Hill and Obama duking it out.


Why do you only quote Clinton's supporters?

Hillary will have a pretty tough time claiming she's the most electable if she can't even win her own primaries.

And do her supporters just not even look at the national general election polls? Hillary loses to Huckabee, for cryin' out loud, and her nagatives have reached an all time high!

As far as Experience goes, what good is experience if you don't make the right choices?

Obama has been right on the major foreign policy issues of our time, AND has more experience than Hillary.

Regardless of race, Obama is the best candidate.

Not only does Obama offer americans hope and inspiration, he has the best background and experience for today's international woes.

Obama has held elected office for 11 years (four more than Hillary). Obama sponsored over 820 bills while serving in the Illinois senate (serving 8 years, from 1996-2004). He authored the most sweeping ethics reform bill passed into Illinois law in over 20 years. He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform and promoted increased subsidies for child care. Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped.

In 2002 Obama spoke out publicly against the war in Iraq, saying he does not oppose all war, just dumb wars, and proceeded to accurately predict the quagmire of Iraq.

Obama was elected to the United States senate in 2004. In his first year (before he decided to run for president) he authored 152 bills, and co-sponsored another 427. These included the Coburn-Obama government Transparency Act of 2006 (signed into law by Bush), The Lugar-Obama initiatives (working with republican, Richard Lugar) aimed at nuclear non-proliferation and conventional weapons threat reduction. He is one of only 2 lawmakers sponsoring a campaign finance reform bill that currently sits in the senate. There are 890 bills in Obama’s name since he entered the Senate. He has Cosponsored 1096.

Obama currently serves on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs.

Obama has a degree in International Relations, a Law degree, and taught constitutional law for 10 years.

Obama 08!



They're both right, neither one of them is electable.


How can Hillary be more electable when half of the nation dislikes her already. Why can't many democrats see this? Think please.....


JDS

Do you work for the Obama? You got my vote!!!


Sheila Jackson-Lee's puzzlement over flip flopping must refer to Hillary. Her "girl" was a "Goldwater Girl" early in her career. Now she's something else. Is that the kind of mind changing that she is referring to? Jackson-Lee must know that Hillary/Bill flip flops better than any acrobat in the circus. Her capacity to hypnotize with her fast, loud talking like a sideshow barker, camouflages a lot of her dialog so that you really are not aware of her deceptive nuances.

But Jackson-Lee doesn't understand a lot of things.
She doesn't understand how an unbloodied, unbowed Black man can skyrocket so fast in the political stratosphere ahead of everybody else. Is there some sibling jealousy on MS Jackson-Lee's part? I think so. The old guard are very fearful of losing their stranglehold on the Democratic party and see Barack as a threat. That is why they are backing Hillary/Bill so feverishly.


The figures don't lie about Hillary. Fully half of the American voting public consistently say they will not vote for her under any circumstance. No one with those kinds of negatives has ever won. A Democratic primary is one thing; when you mix in Independents and Republicans, it's a donkey of a different hue.


Hillary is boring. Obama inspires. Experience means nothing without vision. All I hear from Hillary is calculated responses that say little. Obama persuades me and excites my hope for the future. The choice is obvious (to me).


Actually, your wrong that new poll has Clinton at 40% Obama at 30% and edwards at 14%


Hillary would be death to the Democratic Party in '08. Anyone else running in the field right now would be sufficient to beat the Republicans. Running Hillary would galvanize the Republicans in the same way that running Cheney would do for Democrats


We have heard from John Lewis, Andrew Young and now from George Bush country we have Jackson Lee who is a younger version of African American sellouts, saying the most qualified African American to ever run for president, does not have enough experience to do so. Look at the experience our sitting president had before he was elected over seven years ago, and tell me what it meant? The country's is a disaster today!

These polls are as phoney as they come (the Clintons).. I know the American people are smarter and more concerned than they reflect . We know Obama outshines every candidate on both sides of the isles and I still can't see what the Clintons ever did to deserve such loyal support from black folks, with the exception of buying a couple of black leaders and minsters over the years, to say yes sir, I'm wit ya!


The more I am exposed to Hillary Clinton and her campaign the worse I feel about her as President. By spring time she better be history. Are democrats stupid enough to nominate her??


I am bored here with the mention of Hilary.

I would rather leave my faith in someone who brings me hope for a better tomorrow than someone who professes experience but has made bad choices....Iraq vote / Iran vote / nafta / failed health care in '90s. please no more dynasty!!!

Barack Obama '08


Sleeping in the White House does not count for experience. We are a representative democracy - not a monarchy. Are you Looking to 'reap' eight more years of nepotism like the seven we've just had ? Not me.

Although her sputtering machine would have us believe that she is the 'electable' choice - this argument falls unquestionably flat - she will drive more republicans to the polls and does not inspire confidence in her own party... go look at the polling yourself.

I voted for this lady in her NY senate race.
I voted for her husband twice (would have again).... but ignoring all conviction and tri-angulating her response to Bush's rush to 'war' in Iraq was and is unforgivable. Afghanistan,as any a monkey knew, was and is a noble cause. If a person in her position could not figure out what was happening with our rush to a false war- in Iraq - then whatever limited experience she does have - counts for very little.
Worse yet, and far more likely, she knew exactly what was happening... she crunched the numbers and made what turned out to be a bad bet - IRAQ. Ooops! And now we're stuck with what is partly the mess of her making. I will NOT ever vote for anyone who supported the Iraq ruse.

Fool me once...

So NO Thanks Mama - I'm for Obama !

Barak Obama for President of the United States of America .

-Go Barry !


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