[Story updated Sunday here.]
by Jason George
Rep. Ron Paul and supporters of his presidential bid are in an uproar over what they believe is his exclusion from a televised debate on Jan. 6, two days before the New Hampshire primary.
While campaigning in the Granite State on Saturday, Paul called Fox News, one of the debate's supposed sponsors, "scared of me." They "don't want my message to get out, but it will," according to The Boston Globe's Primary Source blog.
"They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."
Kent Snyder, Paul's campaign chairman continued in a statement: “Given Ron Paul’s support in New Hampshire and his recent historic fundraising success, it is outrageous that Dr. Paul would be excluded.”
A joint Boston Globe-University of New Hampshire poll from a week ago has Paul in 5th place in the state, pulling 8 percent of the vote.
Jesse Benton, a campaign spokesman, said they haven't heard directly from Fox that Paul is excluded; and if so, why that happened. "We've called Fox six times and have not had our calls returned," he said.
Calls and emails to Fox News spokespersons by the Tribune were not returned Saturday evening.
An official at the New Hampshire GOP, which is co-sponsoring the event with Fox, said that Paul might still be included, but the planning for the debate was still coming together and it was ultimately Fox's call.
The Associated Press reported last week that the candidates participating in the 90-minute forum at St. Anselm College in Goffstown, N.H., will be Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Gov. Mike Huckabee, Sen. John McCain, Gov. Mitt Romney and Sen. Fred Thompson.
[Story updated Sunday here.]









Comments
GOOD for FOX!
Keep Ron Paul's 3.8% national poll average and his 19th century ideas out of the debate.
Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | December 29, 2007 10:29 PM
You can click the following link to mail the nice people at FOX and let them know how you feel.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/18384#comment-154801
Posted by: Louis Nardozi | December 29, 2007 10:33 PM
FRED THOMPSON is the best person to lead this country. He is a true conservative and has been his entire life. All one has to do is check his record to see this.
During my time in the Army as an Intelligence Analyst, I served under both Presidents Carter and Reagan (as my commanders in chief). Without argument, President Reagan was the best commander-in-chief a military person could ever have served under. Fred Thompson possesses the same qualities and vision as President Reagan in that he is strong on national defense and sees a dire need to secure our borders and control immigration.
I can think of no better person to lead this country and fix the problems we have. He is the only candidate from either party who has specific and detailed plans on border security and immigration reform; revitalization of America’s armed forces; saving and protecting Social Security; and tax relief and economic growth. These are detailed on his Web site at www.fred08.com . I challenge you to find any other candidate who has laid out specific plans to fix anything.
Fred Thompson has published his first principles, some of which are mentioned above. In addition to those, he strongly believes in individual liberty, personal responsibility, limited government, federalism, traditional American values, the rule of law and is a strong proponent of the Second Amendment — all concepts established during the birth of our country and documented in our Constitution.
Again, try to find any candidate who has laid out their plans to “fix” this country. You will find they all speak in vague and abstract terms on their plans.
For those who have heard Fred Thompson speak, you will usually hear him say that the Fred Thompson you see today is the same Fred Thompson you saw yesterday and is the same Fred Thompson you will see tomorrow. He stands by his principles and values and doesn’t shift his positions based on polls or public opinion; in other words, he doesn’t say what the voters want to hear just to get elected, but remains steadfast on his views and convictions.
During his time in the Senate he focused on three areas: to lower taxes, strengthen national security and expose waste in the federal government. Fred Thompson has foreign policy experience, having served as member of the Senate Foreign Relations and Senate Intelligence committees.
As chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, he opened the investigation in 1997 on the Chinese government’s attempt to influence American policies and elections, and this investigation identified connections with the Clinton administration (documented in the committee’s report).
As a member of the Finance Committee, he worked tirelessly to enact three major tax-cut bills. Fred Thompson remains steadfast and even though a person may not agree with all his views and he understands some may disagree with him, you can count on him to be consistent and unwavering.
Don’t be fooled by his laid back approach and what critics call his “laziness.” As a former assistant U.S. attorney, he earned a reputation as a tough prosecutor and he possesses the toughness this country needs in order to tackle today’s and tomorrow’s issues.
I ask that you take a hard look at what this country needs, then take a hard look at all the other candidates’ views, policies, their records and their track record on consistency. Fred Thompson possesses integrity, loyalty, commitment, energy and decisiveness, all traits of an effective leader, and will emerge as the best person to take this country boldly forward.
Please help Fred win in Iowa:
https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791
Posted by: Frederick Paxson | December 29, 2007 10:41 PM
Ron Paul has discovered what us Liberals already know: Faux News is not a real news channel. It is a propaganda outlet for the Republic Party. They don't want RP spoiling things for one of their preferred, nutbag candidates.
Posted by: weinerdog43 | December 29, 2007 10:44 PM
Guys, comon guys. Get real. This is obvious censorship and a real intersection of politics and media. How in the world can Ron Paul be excluded and Fox keep any credibility? That is my question.
Posted by: Rob E | December 29, 2007 10:47 PM
I have no doubt that Fox News will shortly be re-evaluating their assessment of Dr Paul's chances in the coming elections. As a Ron Paul supporter, I've had news of this within hours, and my emails have contained contact information for Fox, the FCC, and Fox's advertisers, all of whom will getting emails and phone calls from myself, and doubtless hundreds,
perhaps thousands of like-minded freedom loving Ron Paul supporters.
Posted by: Ron Brittin | December 29, 2007 10:49 PM
Journalism requires looking into the facts. Click below and you'll find this one:
in NONE of the last 11 polls conducted in New Hampshire has Fred Thompson polled higher than Ron Paul. I would like to hear what Mr. Paul has to say.
http://www.pollster.com/08-NH-Rep-Pres-Primary.php
Posted by: Joe Parisi | December 29, 2007 10:50 PM
If this is true, it is a sad day for America.
How can we be the voice for free and fair elections throughout the world if our media is actively trying to influence elections rather than simply reporting on them?
Posted by: MB | December 29, 2007 10:53 PM
Thanks for the fair and balanced coverage... Quite the opposite of Fox news.
Posted by: zach | December 29, 2007 10:56 PM
How unfortunate that the NH GOP says it is Fox's call. They need to have more control of their own party.
Posted by: Gerald | December 29, 2007 10:59 PM
Fair and balanced? The media bias against Ron Paul is not surprising, but it is a pretty audacious move on foxNews's part. I think no matter what happens Ron Paul stands to gain. If they keep him out of the forum, then the sheer number of Paul supporters outside the event will be reported everywhere but FoxNews. If they backtrack and let him in, they acknowledge that he is more than a viable candidate.
Posted by: TJF | December 29, 2007 11:01 PM
If they want to exclude Dr Paul, fine. We'll do a rally outside and get more coverage and more people. And we'll boycott Faux News and its sponsors.
Posted by: Dr Ward Ciac II | December 29, 2007 11:05 PM
New Hampshire State Republican Party who is holding the forum and it this organization who responsible for not including Ron Paul, not FOX News, they are merely broadcasting the event.
Posted by: Crystal | December 29, 2007 11:06 PM
what else is new with Fox News. They think they can ran our lives. But I think Ron Paul is right, they are scared of him.
History repeats itself. f you go back to history, Winston Churchill right until before the war was considered by parliament (specially his own party) and the press as quixotic, eccentric and out of reality and all because what he said was the truth. He was a journalist for a newspaper and there was great pressure from the government and including the press to stop him from writing. When Germany invaded France he became prime minister because he was the only true leader who had been loyal to his principals and convictions and had the courage to face a very grim future for Great Britain. And lets not forget that the people loved him no matter what the press or the government said. Read: “The Last Lion Alone”.
I believe Ron Paul is that kind of leader. What he says is the truth and people love him for that. His voting record in congress speaks by itself.
I believe he has a great chance of winning in the primaries because a lot people might like a candidate but that doesn't mean they will vote for him in the primaries. I believe every single Paulite will vote even if there is a hurricane cat 5. He will surprise everybody in the primaries, just like Truman did.
Lucia Schmitz
Posted by: Lucia Schmitz | December 29, 2007 11:06 PM
I wonder how you justify leaving the fifth ranked candidate out of a five candidate debate?
Bill O'Reilly will make sure this is corrected, you watch!
Posted by: CYBERBIAN | December 29, 2007 11:07 PM
Thanks for this update Baltimore Sun.
I think the following quote from Kent Snyder is incredibly spot on:
Kent Snyder, Paul's campaign chairman continued in a statement: “Given Ron Paul’s support in New Hampshire and his recent historic fundraising success, it is outrageous that Dr. Paul would be excluded.”
That is the truth.
Posted by: Dave | December 29, 2007 11:10 PM
The Murdochs/foxnews of this country better be on their toes, and should pay attention to what you all are doing on your networks. By the way Hannity is a Nazi, he likes war just as much as the rest of them. Ron Paul is going to Run this Country with or without you, and he will do it with OUR CONSTITUTION AND WE THE PEOPLE.
Posted by: Tess | December 29, 2007 11:11 PM
This action to exclude the only anti-war republican, Ron Paul, is a blatent act of electioneering. Ron Paul has a massive nationwide following of dedicated grassroots supporters. Having raised almost $20m Million this quarter alone from well over 100,000 individuals, he is a fund-raising frontrunner and cannot be ignored.
-He has 80,000+ meetup.com members
-He is the most googled candidate especially in Iowa now
-He wins the vast majority of internet polls
-He wins the majority of straw polls
-He broke every record for 1 day fundraising
-He draws thousands of supporters to his rallys
ect
This act by fox is an attack on our democracy.
Kevin Daly
Resident of Howard Co.
Posted by: Kevin Daly | December 29, 2007 11:11 PM
Rudy has a tumor. After he drops out, there will be a place for Ron Paul on the stage.
Also, 9/11
Posted by: mikebellman | December 29, 2007 11:11 PM
i'm a romney supporter, but i think its important to have paul in the debate, he offers a different perspective and and raises some good points, the polls are hard to figure but is'nt he ahead of thompson and huckabee?.. i just can't imagine excluding him just because his campaign is a little unorthodox.. in fact i may change my support to him, i've always tried to vote for whats best for the country regardless of if i thought they could win or not.. if i were going to vote whats best for me personally, i'd be voting democrat, i'm in a business that prospers from democrat policies..
Posted by: Dana Ketola | December 29, 2007 11:12 PM
If Dr. Paul is not invited to the forum I will boycott Fox and their advertisers and have my family sell their stock. I guess Dr. Paul was right about fascism coming to this country!
Posted by: Jean Offord | December 29, 2007 11:13 PM
Ron Paul raised over 6 million in one day! It is a shame to see such obvious bias in the media.
Posted by: Nick Sayers | December 29, 2007 11:13 PM
So, how was he out foxed?!
If he is to be excluded, I predict that the Fox will be out foxed, in the long run.
Posted by: SP | December 29, 2007 11:14 PM
Fox News spews propaganda
Posted by: Flo | December 29, 2007 11:16 PM
Fair and balanced, my rear. FOX News is playing with fire here. But Paul doesn't need to go on these dog and pony shows anyway. All FOX will do is marginalize him as before.
Paul supporters: Don't bother FOX with emails or threats. Leave the station alone and let's just focus on helping Dr. Paul win. FOX's goal is to portray Paul supporters as a bunch of moonbats. Let's not give them the opportunity.
Posted by: Brian | December 29, 2007 11:17 PM
It will be an absolute disgrace if Fox News doesn't inlcude Ron Paul in this forum.
I want to hear what Ron Paul has to say! A candidate who raised 19 million from over 100,000 supporters must be saying something right!
Shame on Fox News; I'm calling and emailing their corporate sponsors to let them know I'll boycott their products and services if Ron Paul is excluded!
And shame on the rest of the spineless candidates for agreeing to attend a forum that would censor and exclude a top tier candidate! Not a pricipled man among them, they'll never get my vote.
Posted by: Meg | December 29, 2007 11:20 PM
There is a reason that I get nearly all of my news from the independant internet media sources... and Fox is a glaring reason for the season. Ron Paul's message should be heard.
Posted by: R Baker | December 29, 2007 11:21 PM
I don't watch Fox News anyway. I suppose they have an audience and they think that that audience would rather Paul not be in a debate. That is their decision.
In the mean time Paul can be out campaigning while the other candidates are stuck in a debate. Either way, Paul wins.
I imagine folks in NH are a little cranky right now because of the presumption of Fox.
Posted by: Thomas | December 29, 2007 11:21 PM
Fox is run by propaganda and is a filthy corporation. Down with the fascists. Give us back our liberties RON!!!!
SCREW FOX!
Posted by: Josh | December 29, 2007 11:24 PM
My initial thought was that this was a negative, but now I realize it is one of the best things that could happen for Ron Paul. You can become famous by being controversial, and what is more controversial in America than stifling a presidential candidate with an obvious following who is campaigning for change? The parallels to Bhutto are unmistakable.
Posted by: Dale Holmgren | December 29, 2007 11:28 PM
If Ron Paul is excluded it will only serve to strengthen his support. I can't wait to see what the MSM will have to say after Ron Paul comes in at or near the top in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Democrat voting for Ron Paul ~
Posted by: Matt | December 29, 2007 11:28 PM
It comes as no surprise that Ron Paul would be excluded. Even in some of the televised debates he was placed outside the camera view when looking at the crowd of contenders. The RP headquarters has issued an urgent request for supporters to stop calling the to complain to the GOP. Why not call or e-mail FOX instead?
Posted by: Patrick H. | December 29, 2007 11:29 PM
This is a disgrace to the American Political system. An out right disgrace. I have called the GOP office and for them to say it is Fox's call is absurd. Since when does Fox call the shots for the GOP. Just plain absurd.
Posted by: Dennis Steele | December 29, 2007 11:31 PM
Why would Fox do that? From what I read of Ron Paul, he is the best option the Republicans have. Good luck to him.
Posted by: joey | December 29, 2007 11:32 PM
If Fox News is truly concerned with being "fair and balanced," why don't they include Ron Paul in their debate? Why are they excluding the only anti-war candidate? They can't argue that they only have enough room for "top tier" candidates - the inclusion of Fred Thompson belies that assertion. Therefore, it's very reasonable for Ron Paul to claim that Fox is afraid of his message. Why else would they exclude him?
Posted by: Scott Vines | December 29, 2007 11:32 PM
Faux news knows their hand has been dealt and their infestation of the Republican party has been brought to light before the entire world... Their actions are a great relief to our cause!
Thanks Rupert!
Posted by: Tone | December 29, 2007 11:32 PM
Voter News Service and the Diebold Corp. are planning on fixing the elections. They will ensure that Dr. Paul only gets maybe 7-8% of the vote. Fox and Murdoch are very much aware of this and that is why they are excluding Dr. Paul and this is how they will ultimately justify their position. A recent on-line AOL poll for President has Dr. Paul winning with 30% followed by Guliani with a mere 17% of the vote. This was a national poll with 100,000 votes cast. This is a more accurate reflection of his true support. Josef Stalin once said, those who cast votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything! With absolutely no citizenry oversight of this electronic voting system, the possibility if not probability of voter fraud absolutely exists and has already been demonstrated on numerous ocassions. Dr. Paul has millions of supporters and many of them are fully aware of this situation.
Posted by: Robert | December 29, 2007 11:34 PM
Kind of reminds me of the Russian propaganda machine.
Fox is what it implies--they break their neck to discredit the only candidate running for president.
Good thing we have computers
or we would be dummed down as they want us to be.
Ron will get his message out without them and it just makes them push people to his camp. The rest of us need to get active as never before. America and the good old USA is depending on this man to be President.
Posted by: Dino | December 29, 2007 11:35 PM
Fox News would lose any remaining credibility they ever might have enjoyed by the exclusion of Paul from the debate. It really is an outrageous move that would make it extremely obvious to even the most casual observer that Fox News is nothing other than a propaganda machine for the neocon lunatics that are destroying this country.
Even if you disagreed with every position of Ron Paul on the various issues, this alone is reason enough to give him your vote and help stop the madness of letting the media dictate who will run this country.
Posted by: Rolland | December 29, 2007 11:35 PM
I've emailed the local Fox TV and I'm contacting their local sponsors through their Fox web ads. Just click their 'contact us' and tell them what you think. By Monday, I should have a local list of sponsors out for the Phoenix area. Do the same in your area.
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Posted by: Meg | December 29, 2007 11:38 PM
For many of us Paul supporters, it would be an outrage to exclude Ron Paul from this debate. I've been following Ron Paul's politics for more than 20 years and his bid for president seems to be my last hope for a constitutional type of government. We desperately need his voice in the United States, our representative of hope, liberty, and freedom.
Posted by: Doug | December 29, 2007 11:38 PM
RON PAUL NOT EXCLUDED - RELAX!
"Some sloppy reporting, instant web indignation, and holiday vacations produced a surge of hysteria that might have been avoided.by William Westmiller
(Libertarian)
One of the hazards of instant mass communication is that incorrect stories can get distributed immediately. A particular hazard during holiday vacations.
There is NO NH DEBATE on January 6th. Ron Paul was NOT EXCLUDED. That event was canceled three weeks ago.
Ron WILL participate in the January 5th ABC/WMUR GOP debate in New Hampshire.
So, what happened?"
(see link here: http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html)
Posted by: James D | December 29, 2007 11:39 PM
I am from Louisiana. I have been a reluctant member of the Republican Party since that party "seemed" to be more in line with my understanding of small government, fiscal soundness and less adventurism abroad; however, with the exclusion of Dr. Paul in the 06 January 2008 debates, I will forever abandon the Republican Party; for the exclusion of Dr. Paul is but one in a series of positions and events which have shown me that the Republican Party is as much an enemy of the Republic as is the current Democratic Party which I long ago left. I firmly believe that hundreds of thousands of Americans, particularly Southerners, currently registered as Republicans will do they same as I and leave the GOP. It is better to stand against the evil of two lessers that to support the lesser of two evils!
Posted by: robert m. peters | December 29, 2007 11:40 PM
That’s it! It’s time to boycott Fox and ALL its sponsors! Even if you are not philosophically aligned with RP, which is a philosophical problem in itself, exclusion for any reason of any candidate with the active following and financial support RP has is proof that it’s the defacto government working against real truths… yet again.
Posted by: Mark Douglas | December 29, 2007 11:41 PM
You write about Ron Paul's supporters being outraged at "what they believe is his exclusion" I would think that an AP report stating the candidates participating, "will be Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Gov. Mike Huckabee, Sen. John McCain, Gov. Mitt Romney and Sen. Fred Thompson" certainly implies that Ron Paul is NOT included. Unless my reading skills have seriously deteriorated with No Child Left Behind! I don't think that is an absurd deduction. I do believe that this is an incredible statement about the status of the news industry in America today. Even your coverage of this blatant attempt to steer the election outcome is blase and skeptical. This is what will kill the Old Media.
Posted by: EPhilipp | December 29, 2007 11:44 PM
I'm not sure how Fox News thinks they can leave Ron Paul out when he is polling higher than two of the other candidates that are included, not to mention he has much more money than the rest of those candidates - Fox will lose all credibility, and honestly so does the NH GOP and the New Hampshire First in the Nation status
Posted by: Joe Lawson | December 29, 2007 11:46 PM
I hope the folks that are selling of stock/shorting got this, could be a bad day for fox. On the other hand they do deserve to get it like they give it.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html
Posted by: Todd Schuller | December 29, 2007 11:49 PM
Fox even with it's mistakes is still better then the America hating CNN.
Posted by: John | December 29, 2007 11:49 PM
Well, the industrial complex controlling elections is starting to look real to me...Was going to vote Giuliani but will now vote for Paul...I am simply "Appauled" by this
Posted by: Greg Georgas | December 29, 2007 11:50 PM
Why does Fox News hate Republicans?
Posted by: rncbs | December 29, 2007 11:51 PM
"Please help Fred win in Iowa"
Uh no thanks buddy! Fred Thompson is a joke - Ron Paul is the REAL federalist and conservative. Fred is a continuation of the Bush status-quo.
Plus Ron Paul beat Fred in the Aiken, SC straw poll, and he has more delegates in Tennessee than Fred.
Posted by: Brian | December 29, 2007 11:51 PM
What a mess!
http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html
Ron Paul NOT excluded from Fox debate
Some sloppy reporting, instant web indignation, and holiday vacations produced a surge of hysteria that might have been avoided.
Posted by: DenisL | December 29, 2007 11:52 PM
When Fox News first appeared I was as excited as any other conservative, if only because Fox did not seem to have the contempt toward God or the ordinary American that CNN and others showed. I didn't mind the bias towards "conservativism" since the other stations made no secret about leaning to the left.
But in this race, no station has shown more contempt and downright unfairness toward Ron Paul (and therefore towards real conservativism) than Fox.
I am surprised to see more fairness shown by CNN (which I used to call "the Clinton News Network") and MSNBC than by Fox. It is amazing to see how the neo-conservatives--a small but vocal group of unscholarly hacks with no standing in the academy--have hijacked my party. Most disgusting is the hijacking of conservative language and of Christian Faith for the promotion of ends which are unashamedly imperialistic. But they can't stop Paul. He'll win because the message is too true, too timely and too strong to silence.
God bless the only honest man in Washington political cartel.
Posted by: Joseph | December 29, 2007 11:56 PM
FoxNews waging jihad on the constitution, terrorizing American democracy? Can it be true? Old media is really deteriorating.
Posted by: Haigh | December 29, 2007 11:57 PM
Maybe we need the Iraqi's to come over here and bring us our Democracy back since apparently the concept is dead here.
Fox can come up with any excuse they think will be believed for limiting who is part of the forum, but we all know that they are against the views expressed by Ron Paul and don't want him to be heard.
If the purpose is to let voters hear the diverse opinions of the candidates, then Ron Paul should be included. If the purpose is for big money to control what voters hear, then I suppose they should exclude Ron Paul.
Posted by: Sid Davis | December 29, 2007 11:57 PM
Whoa, folks. See the article by William Westmiller as mentioned by James D. above. Check it out. If true, there is no problem, only red faces all around.
Posted by: Thomas | December 29, 2007 11:59 PM
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Ron Paul NOT excluded from Fox debate
Some sloppy reporting, instant web indignation, and holiday vacations produced a surge of hysteria that might have been avoided.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html
Posted by: Westmiller | December 30, 2007 12:01 AM
This is all about the First Amendment. Let's not follow the gov't down the path of censorship. After all, censorship is becoming America's favorite past-time. The US gov't (and their corporate friends), already detain protesters, ban books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, shut down Imus and fire 21-year tenured, BYU physics professor Steven Jones because he proved explosives, thermite in particular, took down the WTC buildings. Let Ron Paul debate. Didn't Foxnews also censor Carl Cameron's 4-part series about Israel's involvement in 9/11?
Posted by: Earl K | December 30, 2007 12:04 AM
WASHINGTON - The New Hampshire Republican Party is sponsoring a forum for Republican presidential candidates on Jan. 6, two days before the state‘s first-in-the-nation primary.
"Never underestimate New Hampshire voters‘ appetite for politics," said Fergus Cullen, the chairman of the state Republican Party.
Unlike a debate, the candidates will face questions from Wallace around a table in a studio on the campus of St. Anselm College in Goffstown, N.H.. The 90-minute encounter will air live beginning at 8 p.m. ET on the Fox News Channel and on Fox News Radio.
Posted by: HDR | December 30, 2007 12:09 AM
Nolan Chart is reporting that this entire information is false. They say that there is NO debate. Ron Paul was NOT excluded.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html
Posted by: Adam | December 30, 2007 12:10 AM
his 19th century ideas???
How about 18th century.....like the constitution...you moron!
Posted by: Garry Myers | December 30, 2007 12:10 AM
Thank you, Baltimore Sun!
Fox sucks and I am boycotting them indefinitely.
Posted by: Diana Jorgensen | December 30, 2007 12:12 AM
Ok Fred Thompson people whether you like Ron Paul or not you should be outraged.This is censorship and it is a political exclusion.How Would you feel if your candidate were excluded.This is an attack on freedom of speech.Just because you are against a candidates stand doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to speak this is supposed to be a free country.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 30, 2007 12:12 AM
Constitution was written in the 18th century....and it had some good ideas most have forgot.
Posted by: patrick | December 30, 2007 12:15 AM
YouTube video poses question to Fox News RE: Ron Paul's inclusion in the upcoming debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKeBwMuzKK0
Posted by: Sarah Joy Albrecht | December 30, 2007 12:17 AM
I would like to know who the sponsors of this debate are. They need to be contacted regarding the ommission of Ron Paul. If they decide to omit their dollars Fox will decide to rethink excluding Mr. Paul. I am a former Fox watcher but I decided sometime ago that the, "we report you decide" slogan is not correct. Their action regarding Paul only confirms my opinion. Last, as a former county republican chairman I would think the republicans in N.H. would be in an uproar over this.
Posted by: pat richardson | December 30, 2007 12:20 AM
RP supporters ... Outfoxed here refers to a DVD that covers how FOX journalism is not journalism at all, but just propaganda. Check it out Rupert Murdoch's war on journalism at http://www.outfoxed.org/
Posted by: Yoda | December 30, 2007 12:25 AM
We all know the polls are worthless. They only exist to condition people for who the candidate is going to be. And the people aren't the ones doing the deciding. Go to votefraud.org to see the facts for yourself.
Posted by: Renae C. Mitchell | December 30, 2007 12:25 AM
From the network that brought slease to primetime aka "Married with Children" and continues to today with newstainment, you shouldn't expect anything else. Nothing matters to them but a dollar, even the country they falsly represent.
Posted by: DF Robichaux | December 30, 2007 12:28 AM
Regarding the Nolan article...it's garbage. True, there is no Fox "debate", but there is a televised forum, which will likely not be that much different from a debate.
"Unlike a debate, the candidates will face questions from Wallace around a table in a studio on the campus of St. Anselm College in Goffstown, N.H.. The 90-minute encounter will air live beginning at 8 p.m. ET on the Fox News Channel and on Fox News Radio."
So to call it a "brunch", at 8 PM, is silly and disingenuous. This is clearly a case of either Fox or the NH GOP attempting to exclude Dr. Paul, from an event to which he should have been invited in the spirit of fairness.
Posted by: Bill | December 30, 2007 12:29 AM
Fox is a JOKE!! After Ron Paul finishes in the top 2 in Iowa, FOX will be discredited by everyone and Ron Paul's support will grow exponentially. People need to google "Freedom to Fascism" and youtube "Ron Paul for America" and watch the "Americanism Overview" for a clear perspective on where our country is going. The babyboomers social security is not there.
Posted by: jeff bridges | December 30, 2007 12:30 AM
Is what the media doing illegal? I found this link in another page...
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000315----000-.html
check it out
Posted by: Tom | December 30, 2007 12:30 AM
Fox is a JOKE!! After Ron Paul finishes in the top 2 in Iowa, FOX will be discredited by everyone and Ron Paul's support will grow exponentially. People need to google "Freedom to Fascism" and youtube "Ron Paul for America" and watch the "Americanism Overview" for a clear perspective on where our country is going. The babyboomers social security is not there.
Posted by: jeff bridges | December 30, 2007 12:33 AM
FAUX is F@$#ED!
Will There Be a Run on NewsCorp (NWS) Holdings?
http://libertyline.blogspot.com/2007/12/will-there-be-run-on-newscorp-nws.html
On the heels of a December 28th, 2007 AP report that confirms Ron Paul's exclusion from the Fox News roundtable discussion of January 6th, 2008, the same kinds of energetic Ron Paul supporters who engineered the November 5th 2007 $4.3 million fund drive and the December 16th $6.03 million drive, are taking a new approach to speaking out in the wake of a media blackout: a massive selloff of NewsCorp (NWS) stock.
Unlike the earlier efforts which were organized at a grassroots level, there appears to be no organization behind this latest move whatsoever. Instead, irate investors from around the nation and around the world began announcing their plans to dump NWS stock in several internet forums, and upon discussions they began to achieve consensus that much of the liquidated funds would be donated to the Ron Paul campaign coffers.
One investor, when asked for comment, told us, "I am tired, sick and tired of NewsCorp's Fox News channel deciding for the American public who they will and will not permit to run for President. Nobody asked me to sell my shares of NewsCorp, but I refuse to allow my capitol to be used to censor legitimate presidential candidates."
Will all of this anger and talk of selloffs actually translate into a run on NewsCorp stock? Only time will tell. In the meantime, savvy investors will be keeping a close eye on NWS stock over the next week.
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Posted by: Christina Henely | December 30, 2007 12:49 AM
Today I got my new voter card in the mail, now I am a Republican who can vote for Dr. Ron Paul! “A little patience,and we shall see the reign of witches pass over,their spells dissolve,and the people,recovering their true spirit, restore their government to its true principles.” ~Thomas Jefferson, 1798
Posted by: Grant David Tate | December 30, 2007 12:52 AM
It's probably already been said, but how do they justify including Thompson while excluding Paul when Paul is polling *higher* than Thompson in the Granite State?
Posted by: Jonathon | December 30, 2007 12:56 AM
SLAM THESE BASTARDS!!!!
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Posted by: Mike M | December 30, 2007 12:59 AM
US Code Title 47 Section 315(a): "If any licensee shall permit any person who is a legally qualified candidate for any public office to use a broadcasting station, he shall afford equal opportunities to all other such candidates for that office in the use of such broadcasting station."
Stations are exempt, only when covering bona fide news events or doing routine coverage. By hosting the debate and excluding Dr. Paul, Foxs Newscorp is creating the problem by not granting equal time.
I forwarded this legal problem on to the appropriate US House Committee for investigations into wrongdoing by Newscorp. I hope they wise up before they find themselves in front of a Congressional panel considering their FCC licenses.
Posted by: Pete Mackin | December 30, 2007 1:02 AM
This isn't just about excluding Ron Paul it's about a so called News channel trying to manipulate the election process. If the other Republican candidates had any integrity they would boycott the Fox debate and standup for there fellow Republican whether they like him or not. I swear I’ve about had it with this party.
Posted by: Michael | December 30, 2007 1:06 AM
Fox News... Fair and Balanced. hmmm. might need to change that slogan.
Posted by: Andy | December 30, 2007 1:10 AM
Boycott the advertisers on Fox. They are owned by Israel for whom we fight wars and whom was behind the 911 attacks as far as the evidence shows. USS Liberty, now 911. Fox, you suck!
Posted by: Sergio | December 30, 2007 1:12 AM
It is your American duty to watch Ron Paul videos and then educate others with the knowledge you have learned. Ron Paul can fix this country but only if he's elected.
Posted by: Ron Paul videos | December 30, 2007 1:13 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Fox excluded him simply to cause an uproar. All they have to do is include him now and they've just gained a ton of viewers very quickly. If that wasn't the reason, they are really making an unwise decision. I doubt I'll be turning Fox on anymore either. This just proves you can't trust a lot of what you hear in the media anyway.
Posted by: Connie P | December 30, 2007 1:14 AM
There is no reason the debate has to be limited to 5 candidates but considering Paul's gains in the polls and huge fundraising he should definately be one of the five. He also speaks on issues noone else is adressing. Paul deserves to be heard. If a candidate wins or loses it should be based on whether the people agree or disagree with them not because of media spam for a candidate or censorship against.
Posted by: Davedude | December 30, 2007 1:20 AM
I love how people write off Ron Paul for supposedly having "19th century ideas". The US Constitution is an incredibly wise document, it's laws fit perfectly with today's society. people who say his ideas are out-dated are saying the Constitution of our nation is out-dated.
Posted by: kyle | December 30, 2007 1:24 AM
Hey darling fellow Paulites,
I love how angry you all are getting, it is how I feel too and is quite endearing. But just remember - it's their INTENTION AND AIM to get us fired up into doing something dumb or rude that could create bad PR for Dr. Paul - so stay civil no matter how mad this makes you!!! Grrrrr.....
Posted by: Beckita | December 30, 2007 1:31 AM
False Alarm. There is no Fox debate on Jan. 6. Do not call Fox or NH GOP. Here is the proof. google dailypaul
PS There is a money bomb on Dec.31.
Posted by: Anton C | December 30, 2007 1:42 AM
An outrage!! Fox News / R. Murdoch strike again. Murdoch’s immigration to America is Australian’s gain and our regrettable loss. Why should we decent Americans allow this corrupt fascist media mogul to circumvent our political process? Dr. Paul professes - that non-violence is the way and civil protest is the preferred method. Demand that your representatives investigate Rupert Murdoch and his strangle hold on the freedom of American media. Furthermore, it is sound advice that all Ron Paul supporters and any American who values liberty begin a boycott of Fox and all their sponsors post haste with no holds barred!!!! Let us not stop until we have R. Murdoch jailed or sent packing back down- under and Fox News back peddling to their money sources begging for a 2nd chance.
Posted by: Thomas A. O'Brien | December 30, 2007 1:45 AM
I think the NH GOP ought Live Free or Die! What kind of organization are they to give Fox the final say-so?
Posted by: Larry in SC | December 30, 2007 1:51 AM
Ron should go anyway. So should his supporters. Imagine 100000 people show up on Jan 6 on the campus of St. Anselm College in Goffstown, N.H. It could be Paulstock.
Spread the word. Remember to act politely to the people of N.H. It's not their fault. FOX is the loser.
Posted by: Michael Toth 4 Paul | December 30, 2007 1:51 AM
when emailing the Faux advertisers go to their "Investor Relations" link on their site. Most of the customer service/support issues are outsourced to various companies, many of them overseas. If you want to have a direct voice to the advertisers speak to their Investor realations groups, "most" of those are still in house and will provide a more direct conduit to the companies. "Follow the money"
Posted by: chig | December 30, 2007 1:59 AM
I already cancelled my new car purchase Monday at Toyota and I returned my Best Buy TV today and went to Circuit City. I will not spend my money at any place that supports Fox. I'm through with the TV news stations.
Posted by: Mark G | December 30, 2007 2:15 AM
Paulo
You are a traitor and an enemy of liberty. Only rigged polls show single digits, Ron Paul wins all non-rigged straw polls and all non-rigged internet polls.
Sorry, the national average for Ron Paul is considerably higher.
You are a tool of the military industrial complex and a traitor
Posted by: Mick Russom | December 30, 2007 2:16 AM
Fox News is a threat to our democracy. They despise truth and they despise our Constitution.
Posted by: John | December 30, 2007 2:23 AM
"Liberal Republican" network Foxnews is at it again. Dr. Pauls voice only gets louder everytime they try to silence him.
Posted by: Baba Padmanabhan | December 30, 2007 2:24 AM
This forum was canceled two weeks ago! Please read this article and chill out.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/18471
Posted by: Barry | December 30, 2007 2:27 AM
This is obvious outrage and bias, Shame on you Fox news
Posted by: David Irvan | December 30, 2007 2:27 AM
Frederick Paxson's long post on Fred Thompson seems like propaganda. I bet it's someone in Fred's campaign passing as a military veteran with credibility. Fred digging deep for some support. Read what real people have to say below. Vote Ron Paul.
Posted by: Ivan Bernal | December 30, 2007 2:28 AM
The nolanchant article is WRONG. The DEBATE is on the 5th and hosted by ABC, he's invited to that. The FORUM is on Jan 6th and is hosted by FOX. FOX has decided to exclude Ron Paul from the polls despite the fact that he's polling higher than Fred.
Posted by: ChristopherBearkat | December 30, 2007 2:44 AM
Peace,freedom from government spying, and unfair taxation are hardly 19th century ideas "paulo",,,You are the one displaced in time: you belong in pre-WWII fascist Italy or Nazi Germany...Go pound sand or spend your time searching the net for your mentor, Rudy "911" Guliani...
Posted by: Charles | December 30, 2007 2:56 AM
DO NOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN UNLESS, UNLESS OFCOURSE YOUR AN IDIOT.
My first thoughts were about Senator McCain's heroic war record in Vietnam, his strong rhetoric against pork barrel spending, his good voting record in the Senate with respect to his willingness to break rank with his own party on legislation, and finally his admirable record on campaign finance reform. However, there were some other feeling and thoughts going through my mind that made me want to analyze this possibility further, the possibility that McCain is evil, before I felt confident about giving my answer.
McCain was on CSPAN that day because he was out campaigning for President Bush's re-election bid. That fact, along with the fact that McCain did look somewhat evil that day, led me to question my own positive opinions about Senator McCain, and the conclusions I came up with were not good ones for McCain.
The first conclusion I reached was that Senator McCain was guilty of extreme hypocrisy, and if extreme hypocrisy is evil, then McCain is evil.
To see this extreme hypocrisy just look at some of McCain's recent activities.
For example, McCain constantly and loudly condemns how campaign money has completely corrupted our system of government and yet he is out campaigning for George W. Bush, the worst violator of this corrupt system of "money for legislation" ever.
It is also extremely hypocritical of McCain to constantly and loudly condemn pork barrel projects that are stuffed into legislation and yet he is out campaigning for Bush who has never vetoed one of these bloated pork filled spending bills.
McCain is a hypocrite for constantly complaining about huge budget deficits that make him "sick" and yet he is giving high marks and great praise to Bush who has taken the federal budget from the biggest surpluses in American history to the biggest budget deficits in America's history. These deficits that are currently being projected to continue for as long as can reasonably be projected and yet McCain continues to praise Bush.
Therefore, if evil can be defined as someone who is guilty of extreme hypocrisy then John McCain is evil. He is evil because his hypocrisy has the potential of negatively affecting the lives of hundreds of millions of people and could cost these same people trillions of their tax dollars, and even their lives. Therefore, hypocrisy from someone in an elevated positions of power and responsibility, like McCain is in, is more harmful, and is therefore more condemnable.
The second conclusion I reached was that I should write about this issue to expose Senator McCain for what he has become, and in my mind he has become a huge hypocrite that cannot be trusted.
Senator McCain has lost my trust and respect and I have placed him in the same category as I have placed the other Republican con-artist and liars in the Senate, and that is in the slimebag category. They should all be wearing bags over their heads while they walk around the halls of Congress because they are all a bunch of two-faced slimebags.
In summary, I do believe that John McCain is a huge hypocrite, but I don't believe that he is evil, like a devil. Let me explain what I mean.
First, I don't believe that "good" and "evil" are black and white labels, but that "good" and "evil" are actually part of the same spectrum that extends from good to evil. This spectrum is mostly grays with a tiny amount of pure color at either end.
In political terms, I would place people like Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Paul Wellstone, and Senator Patrick Leahy on the "good" end of the spectrum, and people like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Dick Cheney, and George W. Bush on the "bad" end of the spectrum. I believe that John McCain's form of evil lies somewhere in the gray area in-between the two extremes, and in-between these politicians. I guess in political terms that would make McCain a "moderate", or a politician who is just moderately evil.
In conclusion, I do believe that Senator John McCain is evil and we should never promote him into higher public office, but he is not the devil. George W. Bush on the other hand.......
Posted by: Jeremiah | December 30, 2007 3:02 AM
Screw Fox. it's all out warfare from here on in. Boycott there sponsors, Boycott the network. Screw the GOP. It's on!
Posted by: Joe | December 30, 2007 3:14 AM
It is a FORUM, the debate was cancelled on the 6th and replaced with a FORUM which has excluded Dr. Ron Paul. There is a debate on the 5th hosted by a different news organization which has Dr. Paul included. That Noland article is a blog not official. Dr. Ron Paul has been excluded from FOX news FORUM on the 6th Ann
Posted by: Ann | December 30, 2007 3:18 AM
I *just* got off a two-hour phone call with someone who has been in touch with Kent Snyder (chairman of the Ron Paul campaign) and the NH GOP.
There is indeed a forum on Dec. 6 that will air on Fox News. Ron Paul is currently not invited. The "Ron Paul NOT excluded from Fox debate" stories were based on a UL report that had many inaccuracies, and all of this is just making things more confusing for people.
I'll say it again: There is indeed a forum on Dec. 6 that will air on Fox News. Ron Paul is currently not invited.
Posted by: Chris Brunner | December 30, 2007 3:35 AM
Don't waste your time ranting here and making empty threats: come to the New Hampshire Liberty Forum, 3-6 January. Ron Paul will be the keynote speaker on the last day, Sunday, which is the day of the Fox debates. Later that evening, you can join a massive crowd of Ron Paul supporters outside the debate premises. It will be a party!
Posted by: Steve Cobb | December 30, 2007 3:51 AM
I am sad to hear that this type of censorship is happening on FOX news. I do however appreciate the fair and balanced reporting done by Jason George. Thanks again.
Rochelle
Posted by: Rochelle | December 30, 2007 4:24 AM
>>>
The guy who wrote this must work for Fred Thompson, and Its obvious that Fred would say that he supports the constitution and etc... conservative yadda yadda yadda... Fred Thompson is a member of the CFR, and for those of you wo dont know what that is its the Council on Foreign Relations, now leave out all the conspiracy theory and obvious plotting for world wide governance, they do not believe in individual liberty, they are a bunch of old men with too much bloody money! Now to say that he is anything like Reagan is a farse, he does not speak eloquently he is not conservative REALLY, and he isnt even a good actor. Everything this fellow, whom seems to... uh... lets say have no chance of being verbose, says would be accomplished with Ron Paul in office, NOT with Fred Thompson. Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, and (Im holding back the vomit) Rudy Guiliani, would only do what the CFR and the special interest wants them to do, Ron Paul will only CONTINUE to do what he has for 30 years, what our forefathers wrote in the constitution. NOW, Lets put another Ronald in the White House!!!!
Posted by: M. Wiliam Penn | December 30, 2007 4:39 AM
So... Forum or no forum? Somebody should phone Murdoch and Hannity at the country club and ask them. Joseph Goebbels would be so proud of us now.
Posted by: Darryl Schmitz | December 30, 2007 4:49 AM
If this information is not true, as Bill Westmiller says, then why doesn't Fox or the NH Republican Party just call the Paul campaign and clear up the misunderstanding?
Posted by: Craig | December 30, 2007 4:49 AM
It has clearly come down to two things: you're either pro-establishment or pro-american. Take a look at this link and then look at this scene again:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/12/29/p22182
Posted by: Trans-Mutant | December 30, 2007 4:51 AM
By the way, what the hell is "Web Indignation?" and dude, look up what a jihad actually is, Jihad means pretty much the same thing as perserverence, just with a slightly different syntax.
Posted by: M. Wiliam Penn | December 30, 2007 4:51 AM
Fox has jumped the shark.
Posted by: paulo | December 30, 2007 5:04 AM
Mistake or not,Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch,who is a Council on Foreign Relations member,as are all of the top tier candidates in both parties.Mike Huckabee just joined the CFR,and now the Huckster is in the top.CNN and Fox have ignored all of the lower tier candidates because they dont want Americans to wake up and realize that the CFR and others are controling our country,and its downfall at their hands.Vote Constitution,not CFR,and Trilateral Commission!
Posted by: Reenie | December 30, 2007 5:05 AM
For those of you who said Ron Paul is not excluded - HE IS BEING EXCLUDED!!
It is the January 6th, NH GOP Forum; see http://www.onelocalnews.com/newhopecourier/stories1/index.php?action=fullnews&id=111772
I have sent the following email to all of the Faux News addresses mentioned in one of these blogs herein:
I think it is reprehensible that you have decided to exclude Ron Paul from your Republican primary Presidential candidates.
You have included Fred Thompson who polls at about the same currently as Dr. Paul.
By what standard do you exactly presume to exclude 1 of the 5 top candidates?
I am to believe all the gossip that you are afraid of the message that Ron Paul brings to the table; that Fox News is NOT fair and balanced?
Should I be contacting all your sponsors, and complain to them that I would not buy products from companies supporting a blatant, UnAmerican act of censorship?
You continually drape yourself in the American flag, catering to my feelings of being proud to be an American, and then you dirty the whole idea and your credibility by becoming the very Communists you purport to hate.
True American media does not need to emulate the media totalitarian regimes, being afraid to report on real news and real candidates.
I urge you to reconsider this disasterous idea of excluding Ron Paul from equal footing of the Republican candidate forum.
Gary Treistman
Posted by: Gary Treistman | December 30, 2007 5:08 AM
I recently sent an e-mail to MSNBC, CNN, Faux*, the GOP party and a couple other news sources pleading they host another debate. It is included forthwith:
To whom it may concern,
As you may have heard, Faux* News has recently decided to hold a GOP round table debate excluding several candidates who are equally deserving of airtime. In order for all GOP candidates to share the opportunity to express their message to the American public, I highly advise and humbly request that you should also conduct a similar debate. As America prides itself in open discussion [freedom of speech] and MSNBC/CNN/Fox/GOP is a proud American company/party, there is no reason and no doubt that you would also be willing to invite all the GOP candidates onto your network for a televised public debate. This debate would benefit all those candidates who chose to attend with free airtime, as well as benefiting MSNBC/CNN/Fox/GOP in terms of credibility and ratings. Faux News is a sham, a corrupted example of illegitimate broadcasting and it would serve the American public well to be provided with a strong example of sincere fair and balanced journalism. The purpose and power of the fourth estate is in its explicit capacity to advocate and in its implicit ability to frame political issues. Without honest democratic processes at work in the fourth estate, a poorly informed public will have a difficult time practicing honest democratic processes within themselves. It would seem, Faux News is not concerned with properly informing is viewers, rather they are concerned with forcing opinion. As a servant to the American people, as I anticipate you view yourself, it is your duty to provide a platform for open discussion, integrity, credibility and democracy. To fail at any would be to fail the honourable people of America. Do the right thing, invite all the GOP candidates onto an honest debate. Otherwise opinion will be left to be made by a fascist "news" organization, Faux News.
Thank you for your time consideration
*Faux News=Fox News, as they do not bother to present accurate information nor shall I represent them accurately.
Posted by: victor | December 30, 2007 5:26 AM
Westmiller: the Noland Chart article contains factual inaccuracies and is based on old information.
FOX and NH GOP (Fergus Cullen) owe official statements regarding the existence or non-existence of this forum. AP may owe a retraction .
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=68551
Posted by: blue | December 30, 2007 5:36 AM
nolanchart is wrong, HE ISN'T INVITED, stop trying to further confuse the situation with your crappy misguided writeup.
Whatever you call it, there is a debate/forum/round table/circus on the 6th and Ron Paul was excluded. This article seems to want to spread misinformation the other way, and make it seem like in some way that there is no harm done in NOT inviting Ron Paul...the real issue.
Posted by: hdr | December 30, 2007 5:48 AM
Ron Paul is the current frontrunner. He won more Official Straw Polls then ANY rival. Straw polls are proven in history to be most accurate. Don't believe media polls. They are a scam, just like the fact Fox plans to exclude the current frontrunner. WAKE UP PEOPLE. STOP ACCEPTING YOUR MEDIA LYING TO YOU.
Posted by: Shohadaku | December 30, 2007 5:50 AM
Ron Paul is the only man we can trust to bring peace and integrity back to these United States. I now realize Fox News does not even feel the need to pretend to be fair. I know this will sound cheesy, but it reminds me of this song:"Little Good News" by Anne Murray. It seems they are afraid to try reporting the good news and think rubberneckers are the only people to cater to. Maybe for them if we have peace they believe they will loose their following. They are wrong, being under-handed and untrustable will result in their downfall.
Posted by: Becky Turner | December 30, 2007 5:59 AM
It's like Iowa all over again. I wonder if they will cave again? Now if Dr. Ron Paul ends up with the most fund raising (for Republicans) in the 4th quarter and he is not allowed in the debate, it would then be clear to all. I argue that exclusion or even the threat of exclusion only helps Dr. Paul. With word of mouth as high as it is and then to be threaten with exclusion gives the impression that they do not want him there. Thus painting him as change not desired by the have's. The have not's may then be drawn to him by that fact. Then if they look at him online they will find a much cleaner version of Ron Paul (instead of the MSM's suggestive questioning) that they then might find more appealing. To all the Dr. Paul haters out there, becareful what you wish for... you just might get it. :)
Posted by: David Monk | December 30, 2007 6:14 AM
I certainly hope that Fox News does not exclude Dr. Paul from the debates. If they do, I believe that both voters from all parties will cease to view Fox News as a valid news source. I know I will.
Posted by: Tam | December 30, 2007 7:09 AM
From the New Hampshire GOP web site:
http://www.nhgop.org/calendar/
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Posted by: RM | December 30, 2007 7:24 AM
Police the world from itself thru inflation? Yes, our successes like Pakistan, Iraq etc which steal wealth from US citizens thru devaluation of their dollar is going wonderfully. Pakistan is doing real well with our 10 billion, 500 million to Mexico to fight drugs? LOL. It will end up building tunnels. I guess people need to see an inflation depression before they understand we are not an empire. Meanwhile New Orleans remains the same.
Posted by: JackB | December 30, 2007 7:33 AM
Well, they'll get what they have coming to them. I hear a pretty significant run on their stock will be taking place. I'm seeing it posted now all over the place.
Talk about a boycott!!
Posted by: telestai | December 30, 2007 7:34 AM
I used to watch Fox but since I have started looking into Ron Paul I have noticed a real political bias from Fox. The election process is a sham and it has been for years. We all know whom the media has picked to be president. We have no choice and guess what the choice has already been made. I for one am sick and tired of the turkeys the powers to be parade before us and act like we have a choice. Why is it most of the Front runners are on www.judicialwatch.org. Why is it when a honest person runs he is marginalized and put down. I for one am sick of this and We need to vote out everyone in congress and the house.
Posted by: James Moore | December 30, 2007 7:36 AM
After 911, I became a fan of Fox News. I am an international traveler...a jetsetter if you will and most such people, including expats, vote Republican.
But then suddenly in 2006 Fox News opened up with a full frontal attack on American men who date foreign women in (gasp) foreign countries.
Bill OReilly crowed about the new IMBRA law which forces American men to be background checked before being allowed to say hello to adult foreign women.
He said that we were all perverts for dating what he called "mail order brides".
The Fox News rhetoric was pure radical feminism...which has apparently caught on among middle aged evangelical Christian women who don't want the husbands dating gorgeous young Russian women.
Since then, Fox News has done everything it can to cover up any complaints men might have about the growing number of laws regulating the behavior of men in general and Americans overseas in particular.
I have to assume Rupert Murdoch has gone senile.
Posted by: Jim Peterson | December 30, 2007 7:43 AM
Actually, this story is part of a massive blog mistake that was picked up by the mainstream media. There is to be no forum on the sixth. Fox News decided to cancel it since ABC/WMUR-10 will be holding a GOP debate on the 5th and the plans for that had already been finalized. Ron Paul will be included in the ABC debate and Fox will be covering a GOP luncheon on the 6th, not a round table debate. So everybody can just relax.
Posted by: Stefan Fargus | December 30, 2007 8:01 AM
As a member of the US Military community who is actively deployed into such terrorist havens and hot spots as Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei and East Timor, I see firsthand the "backlash" imposed by US foreign policies in these countries.
I, like many of my military colleagues, support Ron Paul... (and thanks to Fox News), NOW more than ever! I'm sending another $500 to his campaign specifcially in retaliation for Fox's tactics!
I encourage ANY person who believes in a free democracy to donate to Dr. Paul's campaign, regardless of your specific views of the candidate. Shouldn't the American people -- not Fox News decide who they want to hear. Let them all speak...Let us decide! Isn't free speech and democracy supposedly what we're fighting for in Iraq? What kind of example are we setting in our own country?
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'How many more of our great American men and women have to die just so the pundants can "SAVE FACE!!"'
Posted by: jeri | December 30, 2007 8:11 AM
Ron Paul lost his right to participate in the debates last May, when ironically at another Fox debate he blamed America for the attacks of 9/11, not the Islamic Terrorists.
He should be happy that we real Americans still allow him to keep his citizenship, after those outrageously offensive remarks.
Eric Dondero, Fmr. Senior Aide
US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), 1997-2003
Posted by: Eric Dondero | December 30, 2007 8:14 AM
I'm glad FoxNews and the Republican Establishment showed their true colors. The Republicans are doing the same thing the Democrats did to Ralph Nader. They will regret doing this as Ron Paul is sure to run as Independant and take away votes from the Republicans. As a long time Republican, I will be happy to vote for Dr.Paul.
Posted by: Jonathan Cymberknopf | December 30, 2007 8:30 AM
Neo-Conservatism has replaced the antiquated and fuzzy notions of the founding "grand"fathers. Just like Ron Paul...Jefferson, Madison and Washington would be / should be laughed off the debate stage today. Thinkers of this ilk and their 200 year old ideas do not fit with what our current vision of America is.
Newsflash: Ron Paul's Constitution is a dead document.
Fox is leading the true revolution toward the values that normal Americans can embrace. American needs to exert its will throughout the world to bring our values to immoral people and staying at war actually lifts our dollar. Obviosly, the Reagan/Paul conservatives didn't get the memo that they are dinosaurs.
Posted by: H. Adolpho | December 30, 2007 8:32 AM
This is part of the reason for the division in the party. If they exclude the Ron Paul Republicans, it is just another reason to not be in the party itself. Hello, I hear an Independent Run calling! Screw Fox, and their fictitious news, its not like they'll give Ron Paul a chance to say anything anyway. They'll just ask stupid questions and give him 5 seconds to respond. Just like the last debate. CNN & MSNBC has been the most fair and balanced so far in this debacle of a run for the president. Or to go even further PBS. We are sick of propaganda in this country and we're not going to take it anymore!
Posted by: Theresa | December 30, 2007 8:37 AM
Keep in mind that Rupert Murdoch supports Hillary, he even had a meet-and- greet for Hillary with his upper level executives; this is why Giuliani gets such bad press at Fox, the only candidate who could trounce Hillary, but leaving Paul out of the debate is a puzzler, I suspect it is because of his "revolutionary" ideas which make the political establishment nervous. I give credit to Paul that he respects and seeks to adhere to the Constitution, as it reads, but his stance against terrorism is too weak for many Republicans to vote for him.
Posted by: James I. Nienhuis | December 30, 2007 9:03 AM
I used to respect Fox News. I used to listen to Hannity and Limbaugh. But now I see the so-called conservative network ("fair and balanced" my butt!) and the allegedly conservative talk-show hosts are nothing more than propaganda machines -- first, for themselves, and second, for the Republican war machine. Hannity has tried his darndest to keep Ron Paul sidelined. His official web site has blocked Ron Paul comments. Hannity has tried everything to sideline, marginalize, and downplay Ron Paul. Now I know why: Because Hannity is towing the Fox News line. He's only doing what Fox News tells him to do, which is: Whatever you do, don't mention Ron Paul favorably. Not even when he sets a one-day fundraising record...or when his pro-Constitution, pro-freedom, pro-America ideas could save this country. I think it's a travesty that Fox News has chosen to BECOME the news rather than report it. If the other networks were smart, they'd set aside their own anti-Paul biases and go after the hypocrisy and Fox!
Posted by: Bill | December 30, 2007 9:04 AM
Eric Dumbobo: Perhaps you might want to actually read the 1st Amendment before you expose yourself as such a nitwit.
Frmr. Senior Aide: Current Senior moment.
Posted by: weinerdog43 | December 30, 2007 9:20 AM
No matter which candidate you support, this censorship by Fox News is dangerous, and every freedom-loving American should be outraged. Thank you Baltimore Sun for reporting this.
Posted by: Rebecca | December 30, 2007 9:22 AM
It is just this sort of "making" the news, rather than reporting it that has gained so many followers for Ron Paul. We have not been allowed to choose our leaders for decades by just this sort of manipulation and slanted reporting of the facts. The outrage for excluding Ron Paul will only help strengthen our resolve.
Posted by: Kurt | December 30, 2007 9:23 AM
For the purposes of the New Hampshire Primary, Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are cluttering up the stage.
When Ron Paul wins in NH, not only Fox but the New Hampshire GOP is going to feel and look VERY STUPID. That's fine, since they ARE stupid. Look at the below URL and you'll see that Bob Dull was ahead 2 to 1 a month before NH, and Pat Buchanan - who has very similar views to Ron Paul - defeated Bob Dull:
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=8e369f70-6c86-418f-97ae-0b91207b6bad
Moreover, not only did the Boston Globe poll referenced in the article show that Ron Paul was BARELY behind Huckabee in the NH poll (10% v 8%) but was ahead of Thompson's 3% yet they've got Thompson in the debates and are excluding Ron Paul, but FOX THEMSELVES had SIMILAR results in their OWN poll except even more dramatically, since Ron Paul STILL got 8% while Fred got 2%.
For the purposes of the New Hampshire Primary, Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are cluttering up the stage.
Posted by: Robert Edward Johnson | December 30, 2007 9:35 AM
I'm shaking my head in disbelief as I read the first response to this article. Americans that suggest that the people should not be allowed to hear the voice of a candidate, as controlled by the media, are frightening.
Personally, I do not like any of the other candidates and they all sound like broken records to me. Yes, I turn off my TV when Hilary or Guiliani talks, but that is my choice; I'd never condone denying them or any other candidate being heard by the people. The fact that any American would is terrifying.
The actions of Fox news has only solidified my position that we need true change in this country and that the television set in my living room is a useless piece of junk taking up space.
Posted by: autumn | December 30, 2007 9:36 AM
Fox has dug itself into a can't win situation. To invite Ron Paul now, would demonstrate that they were wrong. To continue excluding him will only rally supporters and non supporters against the bias news they profess to un bias. The un-intended consquences for Fox is the loss of relevance on the national scene and news reporting. Ron Paul and the Revolution wins either way!
Posted by: Dale B Pettit | December 30, 2007 9:43 AM
As a life time republican, long disaffected by the direction of the party, I was none the less critical of John Edward and democrats refusal to debate on Fox. I understand their position now. Fox has clearly revealed itself as a corporatist strong arm with an agenda.
What happened to the main street Republican. Has the wall street Republican so thoroughly destroyed them that there are none left? If it was up to Fox, our choices will be Neocon A, Neocon B, or Neocon C.
Posted by: David | December 30, 2007 9:45 AM
Debate? What debate? So long as FOX does not cancel Bart, Homer, Marge, and vegan Lisa, and Maggie, I'll be tuning in regular time. for something the American people truly relate to.
Posted by: Robert Cohen | December 30, 2007 9:45 AM
Let's keep in mind that Ron Paul is the only one of the 7 to state that he does not plan to vote for the eventual Republican nominee whomever that may be.
That's pretty darn disloyal to the GOP.
Strong indications are now that Paul is going the Constitution Party route. The Swamp did an excellent job of getting Paul to admit that he's considering the 3rd party route. But the media hasn't dug really deep into the behind the scenes machinations of whats really going on.
Hint: Paul's people are maneuvering to get him on the ballot with the various Constitution Parites across the US.
I bet GOP leaders are already aware of Paul's moves, and perhaps Fox is aware, as well.
So, whose making the first moves here?
Posted by: Eric Dondero | December 30, 2007 9:45 AM
Can't wait for the government to regulate the internet. Then we won't even realize that we are being shut up. That is coming next. Ron Paul may be our countries last hope for a change back toward freedom. The only measurements that don't have Ron Paul in a significant lead over everyone else are the political and media polls. They want us to believe he is lagging. That is the only proof they have--and they have revealed how unbias they are...
Posted by: julian | December 30, 2007 9:47 AM
This is really a sad day for the media - and not only Fox News. I just picked up Time Magazine from 12/24/07 to read a little on the cover story - the sub title read: "why nobody has broken out of the pack." I thought that would be a good read - and even if I didn't see Dr. Paul covered in detail, I thought the article would at least mention the fundraising and his passionate supporters. Nope. Not a word. Then I turned to another article further in - Its title was: "And Who Are you?" this article focused on also rans. I thought, Well Time will probably relegate Paul's coverage to this article. Nope again. They even devoted two paragraphs to Sam Brownback! Ladies and gentlemen, Fox, Time, and the MSM are showing just how the machine deals with candidates like Paul. They are showing their nervousness.
Paul all the way!!
Posted by: Bradley | December 30, 2007 9:51 AM
Dr. Paul is polling higher than Fred Thompson, yet Fox News has invited Fred Thompson, but not Dr. Paul. Fred Thompson is off the ballot in Delaware, but Dr. Paul is on it. What rationale does Fox News have for not inviting the good doctor? Is Dr. Paul too conservative for Fox News?
Posted by: 1440 minutes | December 30, 2007 10:01 AM
wow, I was considering voting for RP but after reading how histerical some of the supporters are the sound like whiny democrates I'm once again lost in the sea of non-thrilling rep. candidates that seem to have ever changing positions.like Hillory.Fox news allthough slanted right has opposing views,can anyone name another network that has as many people from both sides.don't hate them for someones misquote.Although I dont agree w/everything they say at least they are willing to debate not indoctrinate
Posted by: milehigh | December 30, 2007 10:10 AM
Anyone who fails to take Ron Paul seriously, is a conformist sheep afraid of both Democracy and Freedom.
There isn't a dime's bit of difference between any of the other candidates, democrat or republican.
Ron Paul is America's David vs. Rupert Murdoch who is the corporate fascist Goliath.
AMERICA FIRST. RON PAUL 08!
Posted by: Denmark Vesey | December 30, 2007 10:16 AM
As 82ND vet, it is disturbing to me that many in our great nation seem to favor candidates who are so eager to sacrifice individual liberties for “The Common Good.” I have sworn an oath to support and defend The Constitution of the United States, against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. That compels me to speak out against candidates who would treat our founding documents with disdain. That is precisely why I support Ron Paul.
Posted by: Douglas | December 30, 2007 10:19 AM
Fox News is simply an extension of the Project for A New American Century. It is not real news. It is a propaganda tool for the warhawks in the republican and democratic parties. Fox Newss is simply the war propaganda channel. Its anchors are their to do one thing...get support for unnecessary war to extend American Empire through military might for the benefit of the corporate warprofiteering elite.
Posted by: Wendy | December 30, 2007 10:24 AM
Hillary would like nothing better than a Ron Paul run as an Independent; remember 1992, when Ross Perot ran as an Independent for Bill Clinton to win the presidency with 43% of the vote? Does Ron Paul want to be the man responsible for the election of Hillary and her "First Gentleman" Bill?
Hillary would be guaranteed the White House with Paul running as an Independent, so if I were him, that would be the last thing for which I'd want to be remembered.
Giuliani, without Paul running as an Independent would trounce Hillary, so for the good of the country, I hope Paul stays put, to not facilitate a scenario like the one in '92.
Posted by: James I. Nienhuis | December 30, 2007 10:25 AM
Note to the Republican Party...if the presidential ticket came down to HIllary and Paul, this mostly-Democratic voter would vote for Paul. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Posted by: DD | December 30, 2007 10:29 AM
Faux News is obviously scared of Ron Paul. As they've repeatedly tried to marginalize or demonize his campaign, he keeps getting stronger.
You are UNAMERICAN if you think that ALL sides of issues and debates shouldnt be heard.
Like it or not... Ron Paul s a factor. Americans are hearing him and cheering loudly. This is scaring the Hell out of Faux News and the mainstream media.
What the Hell is so "fair and balenced" about excluding ANY candidate.
If you dont want to support or vote for the man, thats your perogative.
But you're a sorry American who's afraid of the Democratic process if/when you try to stifle the voices of Americans who are supporting liberty, as their voices get louder.
dont be a coward!
Posted by: Liberty or Die! | December 30, 2007 10:37 AM
This pretty much means Fox can never claim to be fair and balanced again or conservative huh? Fox has definitely proved how little they care about the country with this, I think Fox news to me are the real terrorist. We should shut down Fox news for their attacks on America.
Posted by: Patrick | December 30, 2007 10:49 AM
Ron Paul's blimp has an accident! The Humanity!
Posted by: Egfrow | December 30, 2007 10:49 AM
The first votes have NOT even been cast in the caucuses and Fox News has the nerve to decide who can and can't take part in the debate based on dubious poll data? This from the station "We report, You decide"! This should be an outrage to every American, not just Ron Paul supporters.
All those who favor exluding Dr. Paul, who raised more money than all other candidates, simply because they disagree with him have shown themselves to be un-American.
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" -Voltaire
Posted by: Alex | December 30, 2007 10:55 AM
Daughters of Vietnam Veterans for Ron Paul
www.dovv.net
Posted by: Laura Hammons | December 30, 2007 11:08 AM
Support our Veterans vote for Ron Paul.
www.ivaw.org
Posted by: Laura | December 30, 2007 11:08 AM
>>>If they keep him out of the forum, then the sheer number of Paul supporters outside the event will be reported everywhere but FoxNews.
Maybe, and please be respectful when sign waving.
>>>If they backtrack and let him in, they acknowledge that he is more than a viable candidate.
And they can also set him up with crazy questions. Maybe it will be better to take the high ground and stay out of their fake debate.
Keep spreading the message to people in person. Get outside and talk to people. Slow, patient progress.
Posted by: john b | December 30, 2007 11:20 AM
It's happening! Keep spreading the word and the new paradigm shift towards real love, real peace, and real freedom. This is the time people, this is the place, this is change!
Posted by: easyness | December 30, 2007 11:29 AM
Paul supporters (and I'm one) who want to see this long-shot campaign pull an upset of uprecedented proportions need to leave Fox alone and hope that Paul is not belatedly invited to participate.
This is one of the best things that could happen to Paul and his followers. Paul wins the debate (and more attention and votes) by being excluded from the debate.
Prediction: Fox will invite him. They're not that stupid, are they?
Posted by: Bill Rice, Jr. | December 30, 2007 11:42 AM
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"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:278
Posted by: Talcott | December 30, 2007 11:52 AM
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"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:278
Posted by: Talcott | December 30, 2007 11:59 AM
Ron Paul allowed an extremely racist Klan-type newsletter bearing his name (The Ron Paul REPORT !) to be distributed and didn't denounce that for years.
Anybody with a modicum of good sense who disagreed with such views would not have allowed that to happen.
Based on that alone, he should not be considered a serious candidate.
Posted by: Michael H | December 30, 2007 11:59 AM
Ron Paul allowed an extremely racist Klan-type newsletter bearing his name (The Ron Paul REPORT !) to be distributed and didn't denounce that for years.
Anybody with a modicum of good sense who disagreed with such views would not have allowed that to happen.
Based on that alone, he should not be considered a serious candidate.
Posted by: Michael H | December 30, 2007 11:59 AM
Dear Sir,
To deny Ron Paul the opportunity to attend the Fox network presidential debates on the 6th of January in NH is an attack on democracy. What are the neocons afraid of?
As you know, the MSM has blacklisted Ron Paul for the most part. He gets virtually no free face time on television and very little mention in the print media. When he does get free mention in the national media, it is usually an attempt to discredit and marginalize him.
Ron Paul recently made a statement that "Fascism will come wrapped in a flag carrying a cross". He is right on! Does the following look familiar?
Fascism: Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to political and economic liberalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism.
Posted by: Charles F. Wilson | December 30, 2007 12:02 PM
FOX has been trying to marginalize Ron for months now. On every FOX debate, Ron wins in post debate polls and it drives FOX crazy - FOX is the mouthpiece for the elites/neoconservatives who want big government, open borders and the dissolution of America as a republic. To them, America must cease to exist because its constitution and its military strength is the only thing standing in the way of a "ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT" or what they commonly refer to as "The New World Order". Well, America is having none of it and they are finding out due to Ron. FOX is being marginalized and they will show their true colors if they hold the FOX Forum without Ron. Ron will get more mileage out of being excluded than you will imagine - people will go wild and FOX will not withstand the heat else they show their bias to the world further marginalizing them...Keep the faith - Ron will do well in Iowa and my prediction is FOX ultimately let's Ron in the Forum or cancels it altogether like they canceled the Fox debate in early December - -- ITS GONNA BE BIG, REALLY BIG! (Ron's best line of the campaign!)
Posted by: GoRonGo | December 30, 2007 12:10 PM
I can't believe some people are celebrating Fox's removing Ron Paul from the debate. "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." -Noam Chomsky
Extremely small-minded people (like Paulo, the first poster) don't seem to understand the point of the outrage: a dishonest, slanted media is BAD - PERIOD. It is FALSE ADVERTISING. It is not NEWS, it is OP/ED PROPAGANDA. Even if it seems to be agreeing with YOU on one particular point, A LIAR IS A LIAR. Oh and Paulo, 1776 was the 18th Century, not the 19th Century, and you are guilty of Treason for calling the Constitution obsolete per the Oath of Office. The penalty for Treason is Death.
Posted by: Neil McLaughlin | December 30, 2007 12:12 PM
I'm a Marine Corps Vietnam vet and Ron Paul is the first honest politician that has the courage to stand up to the corrupt cancer that has infected this country. Truth is a powerful tool that cannot be buried by evil. Americans are rising up to take this country back and this Fox ploy is actually working in Ron Paul's favor. Americans dislike being treated as though we can't think and as though we can't see. We are wide awake and we see through the evil that Fox is trying to sell us. Snakeoil is snakeoil. This will be one of those watershed screwups by the media that we'll look back on and laugh.
Posted by: Doug | December 30, 2007 12:12 PM
The decisions being made by some of the people of influence in this country teeter on shameful, and I am sure they feel it. To balance that out with the alternative of having a RP in office must worry them entirely, and provide what feels like justification. It is sad that they do not trust or honor the same Lord many of his supporters do. That is what the real concern should be for these people and their recent actions. Repent and report the news as accurately as possible.
Posted by: Michelle Murphy | December 30, 2007 12:20 PM
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For ANYONE deceived enough thinks Dr. Paul is racist.
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12124
I note, with satisfaction, that the New York Times has retracted the odious attack on Ron Paul by one Virginia Heffernan: I believe this and this had something to do with generating a massive enough protest to force the editors of the Old Grey Lady to back down and tell the truth. Charles Johnson and Markos Moulitsa are both squirming, albeit in silence – and that's a good thing. Yes, the Smear Bund never rests, but sometime it loses.
Posted by: Talcott | December 30, 2007 12:30 PM
So what! Fox is nothing more than a bunch of Nazi hacks, people still call the Good Dr. Paul a racist, You people are welcome to uniformed opinions, The truth is out there, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Michael really you should just go and watch Oprah and leave politics to people that Know how to read more than just one article before you make yourself look like a dipsht. Michael it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are idiot than open your mouth and prove it!
Posted by: RaferJanders | December 30, 2007 12:39 PM
Obviously, Fox News has about the same amount of journalistic integrity as the National Enquirer. The best thing they can do for Ron Paul is to exclude him from the debate. It will just serve to expose their hidden agenda and narrow-minded view of what the Republican party should be -- and it will give even more momentum to Dr. Paul. It is time for the Republican party to be wrested from the faux-conservative imposters who have hijacked it. It is time for Ron Paul, a true conservative and the best candidate for the people -- yes, that is who needs to be represented, not just wealthy special interest Republican donors.
Posted by: Ron Q | December 30, 2007 12:45 PM
Paulo, is it so 19th century to not throw people in jail for smoking pot? Freedom is timeless, buddy.
Posted by: Tom Walls | December 30, 2007 12:48 PM
Seek Ye the truth and the truth will set you free.
I have no worries, if fox wants to try and hide from the truth let them. With all of the support that there is for Ron Paul and the truth, it wont be long before we have a news channel that reports the truth.
Posted by: Philip Dimon | December 30, 2007 12:53 PM
This is something like the Republicans tried to do in Alaska when Sara Palin was running for governor. They excluded her from everything but then she won in a landslide. Come to find out lots of the old Republicans were corrupted. Now some of them are going off to jail and Governor Palin has an 80% rating after a year in office.
Posted by: Chris Alden | December 30, 2007 12:59 PM
"Keep Ron Paul's 3.8% national poll average and his 19th century ideas out of the debate." -Paulo
Right on Paulo! Down with the outdated Constitution & our Bill or Rights also!
Posted by: John | December 30, 2007 1:00 PM
Donate to the Ron Paul Blimp or Ron Paul today.
Posted by: opossum | December 30, 2007 1:11 PM
Hey Paulo: What part of polling at 8% do you not understand? You do know that Thompson is polling around 3% right now?
Not one Ron Paul detractor has EVER gotten the facts right.
Tells you something doesn't it?
Without all the propaganda being spread by atrocious outlets like Fox, the people might actually have a chance to learn about the greatest man since Thomas Jefferson.
Posted by: Kyle | December 30, 2007 1:16 PM
We will all know the truth come this week and next week. If it goes the way I think it will, there will be no Stopping us... and it will prove all the BS polls on TV are wrong or right. Can't wait...
Go RON P !!!!
Posted by: Chris | December 30, 2007 1:26 PM
I am happy to see Ron Paul pass on Fox News' debate. He isnt fairing well against some of the heavyweights of the Republican Party and would be FAR better off relying on his Grass Roots Support and running on a 3rd Party Ticket and leave the Republican campaigning to the more experienced members of his Party.
Posted by: Smirky McFlightsuit | December 30, 2007 1:27 PM
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GOOD for FOX!
Keep Ron Paul's 3.8%
national poll average and
his 19th century ideas
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Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | December 29, 2007 10:29 PM
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These are the words of a man with his eyes shut and ears deafened. Forcefully rejecting any idea--no matter how crazy--is what causes nations to fall behind the rest of the world. If you dont like his idea--that's fine--but there should never be an attempt made to silence another's point of view just because you're too stupid to critically inquire the integrity of what people say.
I wasn't a Ron Paul supporter until I noticed what the main stream media (Fox News, in particular) has been trying to do in order to silence a candidate with ideas that don't seem crazy if you just take the time to sit down and listen to them from Dr. Paul's mouth instead of from Fox News.
I'm dizzy of the Fox News spin.
Posted by: Someone with an education | December 30, 2007 1:33 PM
Again, if you want to express your displeasure to FOX, click the link below. It will take you to a page where you can mail everyone at FOX with one click. There's even a letter already written you can customize.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/18384#comment-154801
Posted by: Louis Nardozi | December 30, 2007 1:35 PM
"Ron Paul's blimp has an accident! The Humanity!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh16TTbihVQ
Posted by: Egfrow | December 30, 2007 10:49 AM"
Kinda like what's going to happen to NewsCorp's stock on Monday, huh?
Posted by: Tracker | December 30, 2007 1:44 PM
I have been listening carefully to the experts who are tracking Iowa & all of them say Paul is going to do better than the offical polling numbers.
Can you imagine a t.v. network trying to exclude a candidate that comes in 3rd or 4th place in the very first primary?
Fox news is not going to control America's viewpoints anymore. Even the super- loyal Christain Conservatives realize that Fox is more manipulative than informational.
Posted by: Paul | December 30, 2007 1:46 PM
Shame on FOX News! Can you say...one nation controlled by the media?
Posted by: Chris | December 30, 2007 1:50 PM
Yes, good for Fox! I think it's fantastic they feel that denying a grassroots candidate airtime is in the democratic tradition. Amazing journalists, each one of them...
Posted by: David | December 30, 2007 1:56 PM
FAUX NEWS
WE REPORT
YOU COMPLY
Posted by: Anthony Lilja | December 30, 2007 2:12 PM
The news media controls what the sheep think about and know. News outlets love their socialist gov't.
Google Operation Mockingbird
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James Madison 1809 / Ron Paul 2009
Posted by: Tory | December 30, 2007 2:14 PM
OUTRAGEOUS! How in the WORLD can Fox call itself "fair and unbalanced" with a stunt like this?!
They are about to FEEL the level of support Ron has around this country when we boycott their station, their sponsors and protest at their stations around the country.
Hold onto your hats, Fox!
Posted by: JeffnDallas | December 30, 2007 2:17 PM
I'm leaning McCain (or maybe Thompson), but have looked at Ron Paul's policies (I like some, but disagree with others). Still not sure which of these 3 I will vote for.
Fox News is a disgrace to the freedom of the press if that freedom is used to censor a particular viewpoint -- rather that viewpoint is right or wrong.
I hope Ron Paul is included in this forum. I may just reconsider and cast my vote for him as there must be a reason that they don't want his voice heard.
Posted by: Tab+Ohio | December 30, 2007 2:20 PM
Ron Paul Supporters from near and far should surround the event. AND MAKE THEM SEE HOW MUCH SUPPORT HE HAS!!!!
We should invite Paul to a separate forum right outside with open questions and NOT EVEN MENTION FOX NEWS, WE SHOULD IGNORE THEM LIKE THEY IGNORE FREE SPEECH! Bring Cameras and we'll show FOX whose the most powerful name in news. Take the video and flood IReport on CNN. Post them on Youtube, Myspace, VEOH, and every other Video sharing network ONLINE!
RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!
RON PAUL'S MESSAGE WILL BE HEARD!
Posted by: Francis McM | December 30, 2007 2:22 PM
Ron Paul's response should have been, "I support FOX's right to free speech, even if it means my voice is excluded from their debate. FOX has every right to determine what they will and will not air."
As an RP supporter, it's dissapointing, but the MSM is a dinosaur anyway. The message is being heard even without them.
Posted by: dave potts | December 30, 2007 2:34 PM
Our voices will be heard. There is no stopping it. Try as they might they can't break Ron Paul or his supporters. Excluding him from debates and forums won't work. Refusing to publicize him, even refusing to publish ads after they've been paid for, just serves our interests by further motivating us to get the word out on our own. If any of you think this is crazy, just wait till after Iowa and New Hampshire, at least 3rd in Iowa, 1st for sure in NH. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Posted by: Jake Daniel | December 30, 2007 2:51 PM
"Keep Ron Paul's 3.8% national poll average and his 19th century ideas out of the debate."
EXACTLY!!! We need more 20th Century Ideas!!! Hmmm.... let's see: Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro, Gueverra, Bush, Cheney--YES! More 20th century ideas, please!
Posted by: Brad | December 30, 2007 2:52 PM
DUMP ALL NEWS CORP SHARES. You will see a big DROP Tomorrow. MARK THIS POS. THIS CORP STINKS
Posted by: ted pocev | December 30, 2007 3:27 PM
I hate to have reality intrude, but a one-minute internet search (something the Trib staff and Ron Paulites are, apparently, unable to do) shows that this whole story is false. See
http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html
The article basically states that there IS NO Jan. 6th debate. Check out the NH GOP website and the Fox website, and you'll see NO GOP debate scheduled for Jan. 6th, and thus no "Jan. 6th debate" that Paul could be excluded from.
Posted by: Bruce | December 30, 2007 3:42 PM
It makes no sense to include Fred Thompson and exclude Ron Paul - if anything, it ought to be the other way around, since Ron Paul is polling higher than Fred.
Fox News doesn't like Ron Paul - so what? They ought to include ALL of the GOP candidates so that America can hear from each of them. Let America decide, not Fox News.
It's annoying how the Media acts as though Ron Paul somehow isn't a legitimate presidential candidate! Let's see, he's an expert on foreign policy, economics, the Constitution, our founding fathers, and healthcare. He himself has served our country, he's popular and well-endorsed among veterans, and receives more donations from the troops than any other candidate. He's "just" the best candidate out there!
Other than the blatant, ridiculous unfairness, it doesn't matter to me a whole lot - I don't watch Fox and I plan to vote for Ron Paul whether or not he's on their little show.
Posted by: Maxine | December 30, 2007 3:43 PM
"The article basically states that there IS NO Jan. 6th debate. Check out the NH GOP website and the Fox website, and you'll see NO GOP debate scheduled for Jan. 6th, and thus no "Jan. 6th debate" that Paul could be excluded from.
Posted by: Bruce | December 30, 2007 3:42 PM"
Yeah, one article that says it's false, versus how many that say otherwise? And so what? Fox is due for a trip to the woodshed anyway.
The confusion is to be expected. Turn on your fog lights.
Posted by: Tracker | December 30, 2007 3:57 PM
Why is Ron Paul not invited to participate in the “Republican Presidential Forum”? He is the only candidate that is fair and balanced. If he does not go on, Fox will be destroying credibility with the American people by censoring Ron Paul. Do the right thing and include the highest republican fund raiser in this forum.
Here is a list of Fox news emails. Send your concerns about why Ron Paul is excluded.
AmericasNewsroom@foxnews.com, Comments@foxnews.com, Beltway@foxnews.com, Myword@foxnews.com, Bigstory-weekend@foxnews.com, Bigstory-weekend@foxnews.com, Bullsandbears@foxnews.com, Cash@foxnews.com, Cavuto@foxnews.com, Fncimag@foxnews.com, Forbes@foxnews.com, Friends@foxnews.com, Comments@foxnews.com, Feedback@foxnews.com, Jamie@foxnews.com, Feedback@foxnews.com, Fncspecials@foxnews.com, FNS@foxnews.com, Newswatch@foxnews.com, Foxreport@foxnews.com, Foxreport@foxnews.com, Atlarge@foxnews.com, Hannityandcolmes@foxnews.com, Heartland@foxnews.com, JER@foxnews.com, Lineup@foxnews.com, Martha@foxnews.com, Ontherecord@foxnews.com, Oreilly@foxnews.com, Redeye@foxnews.com, Special@foxnews.com, Studiob@foxnews.com, Comments@foxnews.com, Cavuto@foxnews.com
Posted by: John | December 30, 2007 4:01 PM
Is that really necessary Paulo? You know Ron Paul is the only one offering a different viewpoint on the War and other key issues. You really just want a bunch of people saying the same thing? And you don't think that the 10s of thousands of people that donated their hard earned money to Ron Paul deserve to be heard? Wheres Thompson and Huckabees fundraising at? Non existant, but they dont pose a threat either.. so welcome them to the forum!
Posted by: Angela | December 30, 2007 4:03 PM
Faux News is revealing their lack of objectivity and narrrow-mindedness when they exclude the ONLY true conservative candidate, Dr. Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate for the sovereignty of this nation. All of the others are globalists. I wonder if Faux Network are bigots and prejudice against Ron Paul and the liberty that he endorses.
Posted by: Thomas Jefferson | December 30, 2007 4:10 PM
There is no FOX debate on Jan. 6!!!!! The reporter of this story needs to do some basic research.
Posted by: Chuck Feney | December 30, 2007 4:12 PM
The Debate was cancelled.
But, this does not negate the fact that Fox news is biased and a propogandist "media" station. They decide then report.
Ron Paul is the only choice, unless you want WW3 and another great depression.
Posted by: Dale Legan | December 30, 2007 4:52 PM
I support Mike Huckabee but it's crazy not to let Ron Paul participate. The American people have the right to hear all the candidates. What happened to fair and balanced?
Posted by: DeeDee | December 30, 2007 5:10 PM
Fox News and the GOP in cahoots with each other should not be surprising. It is just one more example of how dirty the business of politics has become. Ron Paul in my opinion is more dangerous to the powers that be than any standing army because he has the support of people who can see through the smoke and mirrors of the MSM.
Posted by: Joe Hill | December 30, 2007 5:19 PM
Hey Paulo...
You don't really believe those polls do you?
if you do... well, it just shows how much you really do know. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/product7/pollsad.jpg
Posted by: Dave | December 30, 2007 5:21 PM
the time has come to wake up and smell the coffee and it is so foul smelling haven't we been complaining about unequal access for presidental candidates for several elections and each tine we get the wink and a nod and the we will fix it next time well guess what they will fix it next time. if you beleive that well I have a bridge to sell you. the only thing you can do is this when the conventions are over time to just ignore the who the money men select, ignore what is on the preselected ballot and go straight to the slot that says write in. if you do not like the candidate they choose then choose your own. this is america we were born in a revolution and it will take a revolution to fix it
Posted by: j mcatee | December 30, 2007 5:50 PM
Ron Paul and all his supporters are crazy, unintelligent, nut-jobs; this is just another wacky conspiracy theory.
Btw, I was being sarcastic. ;)
Posted by: Antonio Dallas | December 30, 2007 5:50 PM
I'm surprised they have not done this sooner. No matter what Fox and others have done to try to portray him unfavorably in the debates, the movement continues to grow. What they don't understand is they are only feeding his momentum. More and more are waking up to the mass corruption of our whole "democratic" process at a faster rate.
Posted by: McD | December 30, 2007 5:58 PM
RON PAUL can,t lose but I will never watch FAUX news GO RON GO
Posted by: bUTCH | December 30, 2007 6:15 PM
Excluding somebody from televised debates, lectures or polls is completely insane for someone with the popularity Ron Paul has. I fear the government has learned too much from the 2000 elections and they're overconfident about forging them and fudging numbers. They'll play whatever tactics it takes to ensure we have a false positive race. False positive? One candidate seems better, but they're not much different. Billary vs. Guilani. Don't worry, Ron Paul is getting his message out and the administration's foot soldiers don't stand a chance against it.
Posted by: Christopher | December 30, 2007 6:17 PM
Fox news has become small minded and hard hearted to exclude Ron Paul While the troops they say they support are over seas giving their lives so we might have a fair Presidential race not tampered with by the neo- cons, freemasons, and skull and bones establishment. I joined the Ron Paul Revolution to prevent this from happening. I am a conservative that has not lost his way i am still for the government staying out of my business and the patriot act is a gross violation of our Rights and 8 years ago if a republican were to talk of a National I.D. Card he would of been chased out of the debate we are not NAZI Germany I will not walk out of my house with my Papers (I.D. Card) or my ration card (Welfare).
Posted by: Jason | December 30, 2007 6:19 PM
@Paulo | December 29, 2007 10:29 PM
You don't really understand the concept of democracy, do you?
Posted by: norm | December 30, 2007 6:19 PM
Fox news has become small minded and hard hearted to exclude Ron Paul While the troops they say they support are over seas giving their lives so we might have a fair Presidential race not tampered with by the neo- cons, freemasons, and skull and bones establishment. I joined the Ron Paul Revolution to prevent this from happening. I am a conservative that has not lost his way i am still for the government staying out of my business and the patriot act is a gross violation of our Rights and 8 years ago if a republican were to talk of a National I.D. Card he would of been chased out of the debate we are not NAZI Germany I will not walk out of my house with my Papers (I.D. Card) or my ration card (Welfare).
Posted by: Jason | December 30, 2007 6:21 PM
The other candidates should man-up and refuse to participate in the Fox circus. Such a move to the moral high ground would get them more exposure than the event would give them and with very little political capital expended.
Posted by: Scott McD. | December 30, 2007 6:25 PM
I can almost guarantee what will happen is that the Ron Paul campaign will let this slide, rent that stadium nearest to the debate for a rally and fill it with 60,000 Ron Paul supporters.
Posted by: Jim | December 30, 2007 6:28 PM
The Fox News FORUM on Jan. 6 has NOT been canceled. Ron Paul HAS been excluded, by Fox's decision.
Fox originally planned a debate for that date but as there is a debate the day beforehand they decided on a roundtable forum instead. This forum IS scheduled to happen and Ron Paul's exclusion may not be final but as of now he is NOT invited. Do not be confused by other websites!
See http://www.dailypaul.com/node/18653
for details.
Posted by: Garrett Gebhardt | December 30, 2007 6:29 PM
It say's there's no debate because they are calling it a "roundtable discussion".
Posted by: Jim | December 30, 2007 6:30 PM
It speaks volumes about Fox that they pretend to be conservative and ignore the only GOP candidate who is not a card-carrying fascist. McCain a true conservative? That is hilarious! McCain showed his true brown- shirtedness with his "campaign finance reform" bill that did away with election year free speach. He either hates liberty or is completely insane, take your pick!
Posted by: Artus Register | December 30, 2007 6:34 PM
I'm a Huckabee supporter but I think this is really unfair. Actually, learning of the incident has made me investigate Paul's positions more because I was wondering why Fox would want to exclude him. I was surprised to learn that Paul's platform is close to my belief system. I may change my vote from Huckabee to Paul, but I would really like to see him in the debate before I make my final voting decision. I've been a faithful Fox viewer for many years, but this incident has made me suspicious of their programing. If they have an agenda with this election and go to underhanded lengths to keep a candidate's message from the public, what else are they obscuring?
Posted by: Fair & Balanced? | December 30, 2007 6:37 PM
Fox News should be ashamed of themselves. The blatant censorship of Ron Paul is sickening. I will no longer watch their network, or consume Fox products. You lost my business Rupert.
Posted by: BZS | December 30, 2007 6:43 PM
Mike Huckabee wants to borrow money from China to get us out of debt.... Good idea????
Posted by: Anonymous | December 30, 2007 6:46 PM
I could see Fox News getting bum rushed and having Ron Paul tapes broadcast for those 90 minutes.
Posted by: John | December 30, 2007 6:49 PM
Fox News announced Friday that it was excluding Presidential phenomena Ron Paul from the January 6 Republican Debate in New Hampshire. While giving no official explanation for Dr. Paul's exclusion, the network did mention that it was allowing the less popular candidate Fred Thompson to appear only after the candidate agreed to let them turn off his microphone when he snored.
Details here...
Of course, the above is a spoof. Much like the spoof launched by the "real" media late on a Friday before a Holiday weekend.
Some say that it was an attempt to bring out the worst in Ron Paul supporters.
I don't think it will work, but it's always nice to laugh at FoxNews.
(So much comdedic material there.)
Posted by: bob | December 30, 2007 6:55 PM
Those 19th century ideas to which you so smugly refer would be the ideas of our founding fathers. Dr Ron Paul and his message seem so skewed to you because, like many in our country, you have a media-fed perception of the Federal government's role. Dr Paul is the only one actually using the constituiton and it's "19th century" ideas to put this country back into the hands of the people. Dr Paul may not get elected in the end, however he has my support and hopefully the ideas he is espousing will warrant further discussion in the coming years. So rest comfortably knowing that your beloved IRS, and countless federal beauracracies are safe, and that your tax dollars - if you work - will most likely continue to stream into Washington unabated.
Posted by: Chris K | December 30, 2007 6:58 PM
Look on the bright side. We'll have some extra time to get some more foreign policy gems from Mike Huckabee.
Maybe Duncan Hunter & Ron Paul should have their own forum. It would certainly be more substantial.
Posted by: P Campbell | December 30, 2007 7:18 PM
The criminal class of which Fox is part is terrified of Ron Paul and his ideology of Freedom, Liberty and individual rights and a return to a fundamental interpretation of The Constitution. If they are able to put Ron Paul in a corner and intentionally ignore him they feel they can diminish his message. The establishment does not want "We the People" to retake the country back from the criminal class in Washington and Wall St. Ron Paul is the only man that can save this country from destruction by the socialist elites.
Go Freedom Go Liberty Go Ron Paul President 2008
Posted by: Peter Courtenay Stephens | December 30, 2007 7:21 PM
Faux News is not a news wervice. It is propaganda arm of the Council on Foreign Relations. Faux News promotes war against the enemies the CFR creates for us. And CFR members profit by these wars. The only losers are the American people who give their lives, their taxes and their freedom.
Ron Paul is the only candidate that is a threat to the continued CFR domination of our government. A return to Constitutional government means a loss of billions of dollars to CFR members.
Posted by: Greb Butko | December 30, 2007 7:21 PM
The serpent always shows his hands. FOX News has always been an instrument of the serpent. Here is one clue: each letter in FOX represents the number 6 (F=6, O=1+5=6, X=2+4=6). Therefore, FOX news is really 666 News.
Posted by: Joe | December 30, 2007 7:30 PM
Eric Dondero said:
"Ron Paul lost his right to participate in the debates last May, when ironically at another Fox debate he blamed America for the attacks of 9/11, not the Islamic Terrorists.
He should be happy that we real Americans still allow him to keep his citizenship, after those outrageously offensive remarks."
Eric Dondero, Fmr. Senior Aide US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), 1997-2003
With all undue respect MR. Dondero- You are wrong, you are an idiot if you do not get that Dr. Paul does not blame America-he blames terrible American foreign policy. This is all the more reason his message should be heard.
You, sir, are a disgruntled former employee who has no idea of which you speak. Millions of Americans understand what is going on, which also might explain the numerous secession talks/conventions that have been going on in this country.
Wake up, Sir! Smell the coffee of get out. You have offered nothing to this conversation.
Posted by: Carole | December 30, 2007 8:14 PM
Mr Adolpho said:
"Neo-Conservatism has replaced the antiquated and fuzzy notions of the founding "grand"fathers. Just like Ron Paul...Jefferson, Madison and Washington would be / should be laughed off the debate stage today. Thinkers of this ilk and their 200 year old ideas do not fit with what our current vision of America is.
Newsflash: Ron Paul's Constitution is a dead document.
Fox is leading the true revolution toward the values that normal Americans can embrace. American needs to exert its will throughout the world to bring our values to immoral people and staying at war actually lifts our dollar. Obviosly, the Reagan/Paul conservatives didn't get the memo that they are dinosaurs."
Everyone, please read what this sub-hunman wrote here.
Mr. Adolpho should spend a month at Gitmo and enjoy a waterboarding vacation for such ludicrous remarks.
Posted by: Carole | December 30, 2007 8:18 PM
Thanks to the Baltimore Sun for airing Fox's dirty laundry.
For those defending Fox, you should check out the documentary "Outfoxed". If not, keep enjoying the acting they provide to lead you, their sheep, into financial and mental enslavement to their Lord, Rupert Murdoch.
Posted by: Amy | December 30, 2007 9:19 PM
"The establishment of global economist" do not want Ron Paul or the Constitution of the United States. They have a different agenda for the USA. "We the people" have an opportunity to turn their plans around by electing Ron Paul for President. Let Fox news and Chris Wallace with his trained voice have their little forum as they are all part of the "establishment" except for Huckabee and he will be induced into their hall of fame if elected. Help elect Ron Paul and defeat the establishment at their own game!
Posted by: GINA | December 30, 2007 9:52 PM
I'm pretty sure that I left a lovely comment earlier directly above Paulo. Hmmm, I wonder why it didn't show up?
Posted by: Rochelle | December 30, 2007 9:56 PM
Paulo is Looza boy: negative, vindictive, stupid, and many other good word choices. stupid people are quick to attack Ron Paul; paulo is one of them.
Paulo is Looza
Posted by: Paulo is Looza | December 30, 2007 10:38 PM
This is the big mistake ron paul demoters have made. New Hampshire voters dont like less than all the story, the most against paul will find this move repugnant. People will see the overt censorship of the only anti-war view in the voting cycle.
This will be the begging of the end of news corps. People will be offended by this subjectivity. I recomend everyone dump their newscorp stock emeditatly.
People who speak that we are a nation of perfection that should not be critisized, wake up. Facism is simply the lack of dissent. No matter how radical you believe anothers views you must listen and discuss if you wish to strengthen your own views.
This is the apocolypse, truth is revealed in time. Money is precariously on the brink of lunicy. Ron Pual speaks the only sanity.
Posted by: Captain | December 30, 2007 10:54 PM
Paulo is a moron.
Ron Paul's ideas are timeless. Non-interventionism works. Sticking to the Constitution provides the most freedom at the least cost. Only an idiot would vote for anyone in the Republican party other than Ron Paul.
Posted by: Paul T. Ireland | December 30, 2007 11:58 PM
This is censorship. Plain and simple. I have not decided who I am going to vote for yet, however, I do appreciate the different and sincere perspective Ron Paul brings to these debates. I have been paying extra to DISH simply to get Fox News. If Fox fails to include Ron Paul, I'm going to get a cheaper package...one without fox.
Posted by: Michael | December 31, 2007 12:20 AM
Fred Thompson Supporter: you forgot to mention how great his policy for our economy is: he supports the war and spreading the "American Empire", even though this country is in debt up to its eyeballs and has absolutely no way of paying it back unless we stop spending money. I learned in grade school that you can't make something from nothing. The First Law of Thermodynamics states that Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. Well, our pals at the Federal Reserve seem to think you can create money from thin air and pay bills with it. Our play money won't hold us out much longer, and we're spending ourselves into a disaster. Any candidate who doesn't acknowledge this doesn't deserve any credibility whatsoever. GO RON PAUL!!!!!!
Posted by: Steve Amtower | December 31, 2007 12:36 AM
Fox News is shaping the news, not reporting it if they don't include Dr. Paul in the Jan. 6 forum!
Posted by: jeff Benton | December 31, 2007 12:42 AM
America's goal in WWI and WWII and even now is to make the world safe for democracy. President Bush wants to spread democracy to all the world. FOX news is insulting all Americans who lost their lives in those wars because democracy is NOT SAFE in America. Ron Paul should go to Arlington National Cemetary and put flowers in the unknown soldier's grave as they died in vain because democracy and our Republic are being destroyed by foreign and domestic enemies who consider US their useful idiots. I intend to boycott every single sponsor of fox news and encourage all veterans to do the same as FOX is denying America the democratic liberties, freedom of expression and choice which so many American soldiers died to give to other nations. This is a day of infamy against everything valued by patriotic Americans. My father was Joaquin Armendariz an Army Air Corp Sargeant of WWII and on his grave at Fort Bliss Cemetary I put the words "that a government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from the Earth". Vote for Ron Paul.
Posted by: Jorge Armendariz | December 31, 2007 6:43 AM
Ron Paul's support is much higher than polls indicate. The market research firms do not poll cell phone only households and do not poll newly registered republicans, among others. It's shocking that his support is as high as it is despite the media black-out and disparaging comments made in the MSM. Ron Paul truly represents the ideals of our country's founding fathers. I can't wait to see the election results.
Posted by: ML | December 31, 2007 7:50 AM
In keeping with Ron Paul's principles 'Fox News' is a private company and has no requirement to invite anyone they do not wish to. Under the circumstances, however, it does represent unbalanced coverage on their part. It should also be noted that the BBC [British broadcasting Corporation], that self-proclaimed bastion of balance and insight, also shun Ron Paul, and steadfastly decline to respond to, or correct this anomaly.
Posted by: Charles Smyth | December 31, 2007 9:26 AM
non of the exclusions of Ron Paul in the media have surprised me. I have said from the begining that Ron would not get his fair share of media attention from the "main stream media". from ABC,CBS,NBC,FOX,PBS,CNN,ETC...they do spot lights on the other cadidates but almost nothing on Ron Paul. Thats ok Ron Paul could be the first candidate to win the election by write in vote on the ballots!!! Now that would make history would it not?? Franklin said it well. "You now have a republic, if you can keep it". Was Franklin a prophet?
Posted by: Will Foster | December 31, 2007 10:22 AM
Fred Thompson is a member of the CFR as is John McCain and many of the other candidates. Ron Paul is not. The CFR is a 'think tank' whose real agenda is spelled out by the president himself, Richard Haass, in one of many article about the CFR's true agenda which is the abolition of 'sovereignty' among nations and the 'globalization' of ALL countries into 3 separate 'unions'. The EU, or European Union, is done, the NAU, or North America Union is in full swing right now with Mexico, the USA, and Canada forming this union with the superhighway grid running through Texas -
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59267
The Asian Union is planned and will move forward after the NAU. Wake up people! If you're looking for a president with the idea that he will protect and defend the sovereignty of the USA and abide by the Constitution of the United States then best you not vote for any candidate who is a CFR member. Their agenda is NOT in America's best interest. Do any Americans recall being informed through the media about the NAU? Of course not. President Bush signed over our valuable piece of USA real estate earlier this year and not a peep from our government sponsored propangandic media outlets. That's the whole point...for if Americans knew what was really going on WE THE PEOPLE would revolt and there would never be an NAU period. Know your candidates and not just what is on these candidate's websites that is sugar coated. Anyone at all who knows about the infamous CFR knows the real agenda behind this think tank and the insidious plans these bad boys and girls have in store for sovereign nations and their endgame of global domination.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9903/sovereignty_and_globalisation.html
Posted by: Paul Revere | December 31, 2007 10:26 AM
The Google statistics shows interesting search charts showing how many search requests were made for the main presidential candidates:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22ron+paul%22%2C+%22hillary+clinton%22%2C+%22barack+obama%22%2C+%22rudi+giuliani%22%2C+%22mike+huckabee%22&ctab=0&geo=US&geor=all&date=ytd&sort=0
you also can specify the State: http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22ron+paul%22%2C+%22hillary+clinton%22%2C+%22barack+obama%22%2C+%22rudi+giuliani%22%2C+%22mike+huckabee%22&ctab=0&geo=US&geor=usa.ia&date=ytd&sort=0
Posted by: Jan | December 31, 2007 11:13 AM
Would someone post a list of the advertisers for Fox I would like to have my family exclude them from our purchases from now on.
Posted by: rio | December 31, 2007 11:27 AM
With Ron Paul leading Fre Thompson in all of the NH polls it does make you wonder why Mr Thompson is invited and Dr Paul is not. Dr Paul has huge support nationally shown by his fund raising over the past few months and this seems to be another example of the main stream media trying to prevent the public from hearing his message of hope and freedom.
Posted by: Edward Gilroy | December 31, 2007 11:44 AM
The rest of the candidates want to continue the same ole game that been played in this country for decades. Do you know we have been intervening in Iraq now for 87 years? Imagine that, imagine the fact that we have been intervening around the world for 109 years in over 200 countries...you would think that if a foreign policy of interventionism worked we would have seen far better results from such a policy, but we haven't. It has been as feckless and wasteful as possible and has only made big business, big government and big military successful...it has done absolutely nothing for the American people or this nation....it has not made us safe.
So...when you consider the other candidates consider that they just want to stay the course even if the course has not proven efective or sucessful.
Posted by: Republicae | December 31, 2007 12:46 PM
Just so you guys know, Eric Dondero, Fmr. Senior Aide
US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), 1997-2003
really means disgruntled former employee.
Posted by: miche | December 31, 2007 12:52 PM
"The rest of the candidates want to continue the same ole game that been played in this country for decades. Do you know we have been intervening in Iraq now for 87 years? Imagine that, imagine the fact that we have been intervening around the world for 109 years in over 200 countries...you would think that if a foreign policy of interventionism worked we would have seen far better results from such a policy, but we haven't. It has been as feckless and wasteful as possible and has only made big business, big government and big military successful...it has done absolutely nothing for the American people or this nation....it has not made us safe.
So...when you consider the other candidates consider that they just want to stay the course even if the course has not proven efective or sucessful."
Excellent point Republicae!
Bottomline - People don't like be meddled with...don't like being told how to live their lives...don't like democracy being shoved down their throats...It is not America's responsibility to democratize other nations...Would we Americans ever tolerate another country invading our land and telling us how to run our lives?...Hell no!
Posted by: Paul Revere | December 31, 2007 1:54 PM
You guys, the Nolan Chart article has been retracted. The information is wrong. FOX has indeed EXCLUDED Ron Paul. They included Fred Thompson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCAYRWIcPKQ
-Fox Affiliate KPTM from Sunday Dec 30st
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_indeed_outfoxed_for_n.html
-Baltimore Sun article from Sunday Dec 30th
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_po/on_the2008_trail_7
-AP Article from Thu Dec 27th
You can get a contact list of people at Fox from http://chrisbrunner.com
Posted by: asdf | December 31, 2007 2:31 PM
FYI--
Eric Dondero, Fmr. Senior Aide
US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), 1997-2003
is the guy who WROTE the racist comments that were published in Ron Paul's newsletter. The New York Times had an analysis done of the writing style and concluded that Ron Paul DID NOT write the comments, and Eric Dondero DID.
Posted by: politicalsanity | December 31, 2007 2:49 PM
The latest news at the Manchester Union Leader:
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=FOX%2C+ABC+to+reduce+debate+fields&articleId=025f02bc-d9bb-48fb-9c77-53e7746cbbae
Posted by: Marc S. | December 31, 2007 5:52 PM
Fox has an obligation to inform the public, which is why the First Amendment grants freedom of the press. Press are the information organs needed to inform co-owners of govt, called citizens, so that they can make their informed decisions that democracy depends on. I have read the nhgop.org press release that says the New Hampshire GOP is now FOR inclusion of all GOP candidates. Contact nhgop.org to thank them and encourage them to push FOX decisionmakers to do their citizen duty.
Posted by: John Swallow | December 31, 2007 6:43 PM
If Ron Paul is elected president, all the major media political pundits will be layed off for lack of work.
Posted by: William Ballard Singletary Jr. | December 31, 2007 7:17 PM
This is to Adolpho. He stated..
Neo-Conservatism has replaced the antiquated and fuzzy notions of the founding "grand"fathers. Just like Ron Paul...Jefferson, Madison and Washington would be / should be laughed off the debate stage today. Thinkers of this ilk and their 200 year old ideas do not fit with what our current vision of America is.
Newsflash: Ron Paul's Constitution is a dead document.
Hmmm.....how long has the Bible been around? These same Neo Conservatives are the same people that are trying to post the Ten Commandments everywhere. I guess you think the Bible, Torah,Koran and any other religious text is "outdated" as well.
Posted by: Amy | January 1, 2008 12:52 AM
There is Ron Paul and everyone else. The establishment is Republo-Democrat. They have the same basic policies. Only Ron Paul has an America first, mind our own business, freedom and prosperity agenda.
Ken
www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
Posted by: Ken | January 2, 2008 3:46 AM
Republican Ron Paul is once again in the race for president. He ran earlier in 1988, and managed to garner almost 400,000 votes. Paul enjoys a wide support base, including libertarians, conservative Republicans, and some anti-war Democrats. The former flight surgeon has built up a reputation for integrity. He is believed to always cast his vote to uphold the constitution, something that is rare in today's politics.
Posted by: Emmy | January 3, 2008 5:47 AM
WHEN AMERICA WAS A REAL PLACE TO BE PROUD OF
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon209.htm
By Jon Christian Ryter
January 2, 2008
Anyone who has studied the political history of the United States for more than five minutes realizes that, in 2008, one of two candidates is going to become the President of the United States. That person will be either a Democrat or a Republican. It won't be the Unity Party's candidate. Nor will it be the Constitution Party's candidate, the Green Party's candidate, or any third party candidate. It will be the Republican nominee or the Democrat nominee. Anyone who has studied the political history of the United States for more than ten minutes understands that third party candidates are simply political pawns used by the money barons backing the major party candidates to drain enough votes from the nominee who would win in an honest two-party race to place the candidate of the money barons in the White House. How does it work? Just ask Pat Buchanan, who figured it out when he won the nomination of he Reform Party (which gave former Reform Party nominee Ross Perot tons of press), and discovered his name wasn't even mentioned in the news article that announced he'd just won that party's nomination for President.
Only the third party candidate who has been anointed as a "spoiler" by the money barons gets press coverage. The purpose of the spoiler is to confuse the voter. A percentage of the voters who would have otherwise cast their vote for the nominee whose views were politically closest to the spoiler, will cast their vote "on principle"—and elect the candidate the money barons need to win. In Buchanan's case in 2000, any vote cast for him was actually a vote for Al Gore, Jr. While the George Soros organization wanted people to vote for Buchanan, the free enterprise Rockefeller forces did not.
A vote for Green Party candidate Ralph Nader was actually a vote for George W. Bush. Nader got good press coverage almost daily. Had Buchanan been hit by a car while campaigning in Wisconsin (one of the States he won for Gore), its not likely the story would have headlined the evening news outside of Wisconsin, or appeared as an "above the fold" headline in any newspaper in the country (a headline visible in a newspaper rack). Buchanan was the invisible candidate in th media since the money barons wanted to elect Bush-43.
Even more invisible are the transnational money barons who actually decide who is going to reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue House—a year or two before you think you are actually picking the candidates who will vie for the job.
Back in 1947 small town America was a good place to live or raise kids. Our heroes were all movie stars or sports figures. None of them used steroids or drugs. Or rather, if they did, they kept it a great big, deep, dark secret. Heroin addicts (the drug of choice in the 40s) didn't last long when the monkeys-on-their-backs became public knowledge. The public had no patience—or forgiveness— for false heroes. Toxic pop tarts like Britney Spears or Paris Hilton would simply be thrown out with the trash. You could leave the keys in the ignition of your car, or behind the sun visor, and find your car still parked in the driveway the next morning.
In 1947 a 30-year old—who would soon become the most invisible man in America—entered the game of global politics. It would be 1960, with the death of his father, John D. Rockefeller, Jr. that David—the youngest sibling of John D., Jr.—became the patriarch of the Rockefeller family's various fortunes by simply outliving all of his siblings—including the Rockefeller family heir apparent, John D. III. Had his father not died before his grandfather, Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV [D-WV] would now be the most powerful man in the world. (And, you thought the most powerful man in the world was the President of the United States.)
In 1947 David Rockefeller joined the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace [CEIP] that was headed by communist spy Alger Hiss. Prominent on the board were people like John Foster Dulles and his brother Allen (the first head of the CIA)—who were also shareholders in the Federal Reserve (and also in-laws of David Rockefeller). Also prominent in the CEIP were Thomas Watson, head of IBM, and Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower—who warned the American people to beware of the industrial-military complex when he left office in 1961. Rockefeller was instrumental in moving the CEIP across the street from the UN Building, with a Chase Manhattan Bank branch located on the first floor of that building. Rockefeller became the youngest Director of the Council on Foreign Relations in 1949, at age 32. He added the title "banker" to his resume in 1946 when he joined the family bank—Chase National Bank (which would ultimately become JPMorgan Chase. On the death of his father he became the CEO of what was then Chase Manhattan Bank. He now heads every Rockefeller enterprise—which includes Standard Oil and, through it, Exxon-Mobil and what remains of the Seven Sisters.
The World Bank and the International Monetary Fund [IMF] which were created to finance the rebuilding of Europe at the end of WWII, came from the board room at the Rockefeller Foundation. The first three presidents of the World Bank: John J. McCloy, Eugene Black and George Woods, were all Chase executives before taking on that job. The fourth, James Wolfensohn, was also a Director of the Rockefeller Foundation. In 1965 Rockefeller and several of his globalist billionaire friends formed a group called the Council of the Americas to expedite the integration of the Americas.
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In 1992 the Council put together the structure for NAFTA. Rockefeller was convinced that President George H.W. Bush would not be able to sell the package to the union-backed Democratic majority. Rockefeller personally gave Bush-41 the bad news. He would not be reelected that year.
Bush, a team-player with an 89% popularity rating, took the news gracefully. They needed a Democrat who wouldn't have a problem selling out America to the transnational industrialists who wanted to trade the replacement market of America for the human capital-rich third world with millions of potential consumers who only needed jobs to become the core consumer of the 21st century. The co-presidency of Bill and Hillary Clinton had the right credentials. They would do just about anything for power—and money. But, in agreeing not to campaign hard enough to win in 1992, Bush-41 cut a deal for his son to follow Clinton to the White House. (My prediction of the 2000 election—posted on my old subdomain website in 1997—was based on information received from a Clinton Administration official. The winner of the Election of 2000 would be Texas Governor George W. Bush with either Dick Cheney or James Baker as his running mate. The losers would be Vice President Al Gore. Jr. and Sen. Joe Lieberman.) Had Pat Buchanan not been in the race, Bush would have had an easy win without the Florida twist at the end.
I still have clear memories of the America of my youth when the melting pot called the United States was Eden on Earth. It contained a virtual hodgepodge of people from all the nations in the world. They were the ingredients of the stew of life that collectively became the greatest nation on Earth. Those who came for 200 years—with or without papers—came in search of opportunity and liberty. They did not come in search of a free ride. They came looking for work and a chance to make this new place their home.
The price of admission was the willingness of the new citizen to be assimilated into the melting pot where there were no such things as hyphenated Americans—or multinational citizens. No Asian-American, African-American, Irish-American, Italian-American or any other Americans other than US citizens. As quickly as they could, the adopted Americans wanted to be assimilated into their new home and into this new society that offered such promise for prosperity. Speaking English was a prerequisite to citizenship because to be a functional member of this society, each new citizen has to be able to communicate with their fellow citizens.
But, in the view of the globalist members of the Council of the Americas, the United States has reached what can best be described as the "zenith of its value" to the money mafia. Twenty percent of the world's employed labor earned 80% of the world's payroll. As far as the princes of industry were concerned, the equation was out of balance and needed to be adjusted at the cost of the jobs of the American factory worker that industry could no longer afford because those workers no longer needed the volume of products industry could afford to manufacture if they had customers to sell those goods they could actually produce.
The sweat equity of this immigrant nation saved the world during two world wars. The investment in sweat equity by the American worker built the financial empires of the lords of industry, the barons of business and banking and the merchant princes who now view the nation which birthed them as nothing more than a replacement market for consumers who possess everything and only need to buy when a product they use becomes obsolete or breaks.
In the third world are millions of people who literally have nothing and need everything—beginning with a job that provides the worker with enough income needed to become a consumer. That was. after all, the reason for NAFTA. And that was the reason for the Council of the Americas—and that was why David Rockefeller told George H.W. Bush that Nov. 7, 1993 was not going to be his night.
And today, that's the reason George H.W. Bush is working hard to help Hillary Rodham Clinton win the White House even though the Article II, Sections 1 thru 5 of the United States Constitution specifically denies Hillary Clinton the right to run for the job. And, while the Clintons are once again running as a "Buy-One-Get-Two," presidential team, on Feb. 27, 1951 the States ratified the 22nd Amendment which specifies that no person who been elected twice can serve as president. Hillary is prevented by Article II, Sections 1 thru 5 from running for the office of President, and Bill Clinton is prevented by the 22nd Amendment from being her unofficial co-president—even though this is precisely what David Rockefeller wants since neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton will hesitate for a moment to surrender US sovereignty to the global government of the UN.
Mr. and Mrs. America, we have just one more chance to get it right and return the United States to the nation it was when America was a real place.
Posted by: Liz Brokow | January 3, 2008 9:54 PM
MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OVERLOOKED BY THE PRESS
If Ron Paul really supports American Independence, he would support the most important issue overlooked by the press' coverage of the U.S. Democracy:
http://independencia.net/ingles/welcome.html
Posted by: Focus Goggle Politics | January 6, 2008 10:44 PM
This is the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OVERLOOKED BY THE PRESS:
http://independencia.net/ingles/welcome.html
If Ron Paul really supports American Independence, he would support the most important issue overlooked by the press' coverage of the U.S. Democracy:
http://independencia.net/ingles/welcome.html
Posted by: Focus Goggle Politics | January 6, 2008 10:46 PM
To the lemmings:
This is not about whether or not you agree with Dr. Ron Paul's political message nor whether you support his efforts to uphold our Constitution. It is about an unjust and hypocritical media giant dictating to us who can and cannot take part in our political system. Is this OUR America, or is it the America of massive corporate interests? Today it's a different little guy, who's it going to be tomorrow?
Posted by: A.J. | January 6, 2008 11:33 PM
"Guys, comon guys. Get real. This is obvious censorship and a real intersection of politics and media. How in the world can Ron Paul be excluded and Fox keep any credibility? That is my question. Posted by: Rob E | December 29, 2007 10:47 PM"
How is it censorship?
Is FoxNews a government entity?
Only the GOVERNMENT can censor something, and last I checked FoxNews is a private company, and as such can have whatever damn rules they want.
Posted by: Ghost Blue 1 Golf | January 7, 2008 12:46 AM
"As 82ND vet, it is disturbing to me that many in our great nation seem to favor candidates who are so eager to sacrifice individual liberties for “The Common Good.” I have sworn an oath to support and defend The Constitution of the United States, against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. That compels me to speak out against candidates who would treat our founding documents with disdain. That is precisely why I support Ron Paul.
Posted by: Douglas | December 30, 2007 10:19 AM"
You were in the 82nd? What unit?
Where did you do Basic?
Where did you do AIT?
What's your MOS?
When did you go through jump school?
Did you do PLDC? BNCOC? ANCOC?
Are you CLS qualified?
Did you know that ron paul has voted against every military budget since 1997?
(That INCLUDES funding for body armor, MRAP's, WARLOCK, etc)
Did you know that he called our troops who served in Desert Storm as well as in Operation Gothic Serpent "war criminals"?
Did you know that he said that the clinton military cuts didn't go deep enough?
Did you know that he voted against military pay raises?
Did you know that he voted against increasing health, educational, and retirement benefits for veterans?
Did you know that he wants the kick disabled veterans to the curb by eliminating the VA?
Posted by: Ghost Blue 1 Golf | January 7, 2008 1:10 AM