Clinton ad hits Obama for calling GOP 'ideas' party

Obama is learning what everyone else has known for years. The Clintons will say or do anything to achieve their goal. Truth
is a stranger when the Clintons are around. Politics, as Paddy Bauer used to say, "ain't beanbag." If Obama isn't willing to put up his dukes, he might as well fold his tent because these two
sludge-peddlers always play for keeps and they will wipe the gutter with Obama if he lets them, cause that is where they live.

Hillary is really sinking deeper in the slime and except for the same uneducated and naive voters that have been marketed by her machine, people are seeing through her lying and low handed tactics. I can no longer support her.

Hillary has sunk to just about any depth to try and win this nomination; she would sell her soul, and ours, to feed her bloated ego.

I will now support Barack Obama.

"Obama is learning what everyone else has known for years. The Clintons will say or do anything to achieve their goal"

Umm, I think the add has obama saying the words himself, how is this slime? God if obama robbed a bank , you'd think hillary made him do it. Wake up people investage obama you really think he is soo different?

"REPUBLICANS DON'T SPEAK"

Boy, it's a fight it's a fight, it's a ... and a....

THE GOP STOMPERS ARE SILENT, AS THOUGH THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON RONALD REAGAN JUST SAY HIS NAME IN VAIN.

NOT ONE GOP REPUBLICAN WILL COUNTER WHAT HILLARY CLINTON SAID ABOUT THE GOP IDEAS SINCE 2001. NOT ONE GOP PRESIDENTIAL WANNABEE WILL STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND DISCUSS THE FAILURES OF THIS ADMINISTRATION.

NO ITS. ROE V WADE, ROE V WADE MADE KARL ROVE, ALBERTO GONZALES TO CAGE VOTES. ROE V WADE MADE MONICA GOODLING, AND SARA TAYLOR SECRETLY FIRE AND DISMANTLE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IN 2003. IT WAS ROE V WADE THAT CREATED THE IMMIGRATION ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY THAT GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY SOUGHT INSTEAD OF IMMIGRATION REFORM.

NO IT WAS THE 22ND AMENDMENT THAT HUCKABEE SPEAKS OF SO FREQUENTLY BEHIND THE SCENES. THAT RIGHT TO PRIVACY, THAT RIGHT TO VOTE.

NOT ONE REPUBLICAN WILL SPEAK ABOUT GEORGE BUSH EAVESDROPPING ON AMERICAN CITIZENS PRIOR TO 9/11 AND AFTER. DATA MINING. WIRE TAPPING, IMMUNITY.

NOT EVEN JOHN D!

If Obama hopes to be the nominee, he'd better get used to this. The GOP will come with much worse lies. And let's just hope if Clinton is the nominee, she uses these same tough tactics against the GOP.

Obama is a Reganite. Seems he forgot about the balaced budget and surplus Clinton left us to be wasted by another republican - Bush. We had several periods of unemplyment with Regan's trickle down ecomonics but prosperity with Clinton.

As always and as before, Hillary "stands by her man" who does not stand up for her. Bill should keep his mouth zipped up.

Cannot imagine them as Ms. President and First "Fellow"...who'd be the real President?

As always and as before, Hillary "stands by her man" who does not stand up for her. Bill should keep his mouth zipped up.

Cannot imagine them as Ms. President and First "Fellow"...who'd be the real President?

I am a registered Democrat.
I am supporting Obama at the present.
If Hillary gets the nomination, I will not vote for her. I simply will sit out the '08 election. If McCain gets the nomination, he has my vote. At least he has some ethics.
This type of crap has to end. Shame on the Clintons. I am ashamed of my party and its superstars today.

Headline: Hillary Does the Laundry.....

After slinging mud throughout the day, HRC takes the country to the cleaners. After putting her entire campaign on 'spin' cycle. We are all hung out to dry.....

ABC! ABC!!! aint no dyNASTY for me. anyone but CLINg-ONs

Why is it that no Democrat is allowed to say anything that could even slightly be construed as support or praise for any Republican?!? Especially one who served 20 years ago and is no longer alive. This partisanship is ridiculous and has gone way too far. What next? Obama condemned by the Clintons for speaking well of Abe Lincoln?!? Or maybe Teddy Roosevelt?

Bill and Hillary are single-handedly pushing me away from the Democratic party... If HRC gets the nomination I will unregister as a Democrat and will look to either a third party option or, God Forbid, a GOP candidate in the general election.

Howard Dean, Harold Ford and the rest of the Democratic leadership need to step in or they are going to see the entire Democratic party fracture and fizzle and, yet again, lose the White House. I have been a Dem my whole life but it may be time for a change (and not HRC's version).

I'm tired of all the negative campaigning. Unfortunately, it's been proven that it works, more or less.
It would be nice if they all stopped playing "You's a bigger one" and stuck to the issues.

Poor Obama. Always the victim. He's like a little puppy the media follows around and cleans up after. Those big bad Clintons.

How far Clinton lower herself and in fact she is insulting the intellect of Americans by twisting the words. It makes me to rethink if she is the nominee; I doubt I would vote for her. I am seriously considering not to vote if she happens to be the nominee. What American wants to see is a positive campaign and a uniter.

If I were Clinton donor, I'd be asking for a refund.

I'm rapidly losing respect for the Clintons. For one, it's her candidacy and NOT her husband's... that's cheating, by my book. And second, all this fact-twisting reminds me too much of exactly what I'm sick of with regards to the current administration. I wish people would open their eyes and fact-check for themselves before the highschoolish, "Ooooh, she said blah blah" chants start up again. Obama's got my vote.

hilLIARy is just a modern day lurleen b wallace without the grace

check it out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurleen_Wallace

bill is just revisiting the old george c wallace let's find a way around the constitution plan

nepotistic liars who will eat their own to get back in power

real life "gollums"

I think Sen. Clinton's ad does a great job of illustrating how Sen. Obama's comments have given the Republicans a ready-made sound byte to use to their (Republicans) advantage. He should have kept that in mind while he was giving us all a history lesson.

It's time to show Hillary that we're tired of underhanded campaign tactics. If she'll lie about something like this, why should we believe her about anything else? I'd be more upset, but I really think she just cut her own throat with this ploy.

The Clintons are showing in this ad that they would be no different than the GOP. You are so high up on your podium that you can't even use the word republican in a sentance that isn't negative. Is that it Hillary? I would like to know how you plan on uniting the country when you go balastic over the mere mention of Reagan or republican ideas? Billary has clearly been in Washington too long. Have you forgotten that most democrats and republicans work side by side every day in this country? My father is a very liberal man, yet most of his friends are very conservative. My dad isn't alone, I also have friends who are more republican than I am democrat. Yet somehow we manage to stay friends and we don't go after eachother... this is what angers me. you can't even for a second hear what the other side has to say. How are you suppossed to compromise? If you can't compromise then how in the world do you expect to be a good leader? Bush doesn't compromise, he is a terrible leader because of it. How, Hillary, are you any different than George W. Bush? I only see one difference, you sit on the opposite side of the aisle.

'Bama,

Please clarify your remarks re the Republicans; The party of bad ideas..

This has to be a new low for even the Clintons.

The Clintons have no shame nor values. They are pathetic LIARS.

as a woman from NY i supported and voted for the clintons and i find their behavior right now just sickening!

to those (seemingly many of you) who are disgusted by them, please stand up and let your voice be heard. tell them that we are sick and tired of their mudslinging and destruction. work on behalf of obama or edwards (or any other respectable candidate).

i have never voted republican but i will never, ever vote for hillary; if she is the nominee i would consider voting mccain. i have completely lost respect for both bill and hillary -their behavior is appalling and is an embarrassment.

VERY well put, turnbull !!!

you can easily tell when clintons are lying -- just look to see if their mouths are moving

in fact, bill clinton is without question the most notorious liar in the history of humanity - but for a stained blue dress and some videotaped sworn testimony and he would still be lying to this day to cover up the lie that he couldn't lie well enough to get away with

the objective documentation of bill clinton's lying is better demostrated with bill than with any other liar in history - and hilLIARy has no qualms at all about following suit for the sake of power

No matter how untrue the Clinton allegations and dirty politics are, there are plenty of stupid Americans who will believe them. Remember they elected George Bush twice and thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?
Most Americans can't think for themselves. They're zombies, indeed!
And they're acting as if they want change. How's electing Clinton change?

This ad by the Clintons is a classic example of saying whatever it takes to get elected, regardless of whether it has any relation to the truth.

If you don't like it when politicians lie to you, then stop voting for liars. I know I won't be supporting Hillary, even if she gets the Democratic nomination.

If anyone
"TRULY UNDERSTANDS" how the word Wisdom is used in GOD'S Word, just listen to one of Mr. Obama's speeches. My "HEARTFELF VISION" is that our "FATHER GOD" gave us Barack Obama to bring in the SAVIOR, i can hear the "TRUMPET CALL", Mr. Obama's Vision is for us ALL. We must keep this man in our Prayer's constantly.

Stop the Clintons - Dems, Indies, Reps - all of you that see their ruse - this is a moment of unity - band together to stop Clinton getting the the Dem nomination, overwhelm the vote of the uneducated and naive voters who don't realise what is happening. What's at stake is that they might get another unconstitutional 8 years at the helm and morally bankrupt the country while it is at it's weakest.

Save America, Stop the Clintons.

"Unlike Reagan, Bill Clinton never won the majority of the popular vote: In 1992, he received only 41% of the vote, and in 1996, he won just over 47%. By contrast, Regan won 50.7% for his first term, and a whopping 58.7% of the popular vote for his second term. If the Democrats want to win back the White House in 2008, they will need the votes of independents & some Republicans. It is as yet unclear how Bill and Hillary expect to do this if she is the nominee.

On the other hand, what has been so enticing about Barack Obama--and so terrifying to the Clinton camp--is the Illinois senator's potential to appeal beyond the traditional Democratic base to people like me. The Clintons are snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory for the Democrats just when the party found a candidate like Obama.

The republicans DO have ideas. That fact that none of them were any good is another story entirely.

Obama has fundamental flaws. As a Democrat, he endoses Republican ideas. Guess who is he going to advocate if he became president of the United States? Osma Bin Ladin?

Com'n, Obama for president? Give me a break! Would you?!

I have never believed what Obama said. He is just a lier. No one would like a person who does not have any experince to lead them

I am glad this is being realized by other people than just me alone. While I voted for Bill Clinton, never before has a former president campaigned, from day one, so vigorously for a candidate. I understand that Hillary is his wife, but he should have remained the statesman of the party and taken a lesser role. There are other influential party leaders, (Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, Dean Howard), that have remained neutral.

The way I see it, Hillary has not stood on her own, but has depended on Bill Clinton to run her campaign, develop her strategy, deliver her platform and be the bad cop. I wonder where she’d be in the polls if Bill Clinton were not campaigning for her?

Obama is running against a 3-front war; (1) Hillary Clinton, (2) Bill Clinton, (3) and the establishment of the Democratic Party who are afraid of losing influence and no longer being on the receiving end of political favors. That's the core of status quo politics.

And that, my friend, is exactly what Obama will CHANGE.

It is up to us to even the playing field.

If one wants to be President, they should be very aware of any words they speak and their impact. That is what is needed as President - thinking before you speak about consequences. Reread his words - he did say the Republicans were the party of ideas and Reagan changed the trajectory of America that Clinton didn't. As a lifelong Democrat, I do not want my candidate saying the Republicans have the ideas and we don't, and I don't want to hear that Reagan changed the path of American in a way Bill Clinton didn't. When Clinton left office, whether we like him or not, our country was in much better shape than the Republican years before his administration, or the Republican years after his administration.

I have voted for every Democratic presidential nominee since McGovern in 1972, but I will never vote for Hillary Clinton. I am tired of the lies, the innuendo, the irresponsible and dishonest rhetoric of slash and burn. I want better from my president.

This is a sign of a desperate campaign. From reading these comments, it's clear that Hillary and Bill are doing a great job of turning off Democratic voters. I'm one of them.

"If Obama hopes to be the nominee, he'd better get used to this. The GOP will come with much worse lies. And let's just hope if Clinton is the nominee, she uses these same tough tactics against the GOP." - Paul

This comment sums up a lot of what's wrong with Clinton's base. I'm not sure that the GOP would or could get much dirtier than the Clintons have proven themselves to be. I mean, the Clintons have exploited racism, criticized Obama's past, openly lied about his comments and records, etc. What else is there? Well, perhaps the Republican nominee will attack his policies. Imagine that! I'll rather substantive political discourse than below-the-belt personal attacks from surrogates. But Paul and his irk want and expect a dogfight. This is, ironically, self-fulfilling. They'll have their dogfight, but if and only if Clinton is nominated.

I don't respect Clinton's political tactics at all, and I don't think that opportunistic amorality represents what I want in my politics or in my government.

I'm another person who once thought "Whoever wins the Democratic nominee will have my support" but who has since been sickened by Clinton's campaign.

I'll look into McCain if he takes the Republican nomination or else skip the presidental ballot entirely. Clinton is the very embodiment of "Politics as Usual" and her campaign lies should disgust anyone. I could never vote for her with a clear conscious.

Wow, that was quick! If the water was fresh, it's poison now. Why are the Clintons taking pages out of the Republican playbook? It's because they know Obama is for real, and their chances to re-enter the White House seems to hinge on Obama's popularity and message. If they can smear both (so it seems), their chances for the nomination increase. The problem is that this campaign has a long way to go, and the shots fired from the Clinton Camp has only served to increase Obama's popularity. And even if the Clintons throw the kitchen sink at Obama, the Republicans are likely to throw the whole hardware store at him, piece by piece. If Obama wanted to, he could put out an ad that exposes the Clintons, past and present. If that occurs, who would cry foul then?

Hillary and Bill Clinton should just go gracefully. They have nothing to offer the country--everything is about them-- and it is despicable to see the way in which they are using swiftboat tactics, employed by Karl Rove. No wonder Kerry is upset and has sent out an email to try to stop such tactics in his own party! Perhaps these hillbilly yahoos have hired him; I would not put it past them.

Oh boo, hoo, hoo. That mean old Hillary using Obama's own words against him.

Well, tough. This ain't bean bag folks. Obama better toughen up because the Republics are masters of this.

When I criticize the Bushites for goose-step following the dear leader, I am fustrated by the inability of the people to think for themselves, and now the Clintonians are acting JUST LIKE the Bushites. Think for once on your own! Yes, it hurts to put the brain in motion, but it beats having the same pile of crap dished up and being told it is Grade AA Prime.

When Clinton, and the rest of the Clintonites get a hold of power, it will be no different than the Bushites. Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs are all the same.

I believe that primary elections are character debates. The latest episode of the Clintons slinging mud & desperately trying to derail the Obama campaign has returned an "F" for Hilary on character. Sorry to say that it's come to this but I for one believe the American people will see thru this episode & desert the Clinton bandwagon once & for all. HRC keeps saying she's the most experienced candidate. How?She has less official years in public service than Obama & surely no one is buying that being First Lady has groomed her to be Commander in Chief. What scares me is that women & hispanics blindly support her without even having a vague idea about what electing her President would mean to America; a return to the ugly partisan politics of the George Bush era. People wake up! Fool me 3 times and I'm a fool!

To all Obama supporters - Obama is having mud flung at him rapidly left and right. This tactic is designed to pull him off message while he has to address the lies that are being spread. This is only happening because people see him as a serious contender.

Obama’s message is ‘Yes We Can’ - and the ‘we’ is important - so while Hillary might have Bill, Obama has ‘We’ - so get out there, get talking, keep spreading his message because it’s your message too. Nothing can divide a people united.

Didn't distortion of the truth get us into the Iraq mess, and now we're seeing how an aspiring president (or should I say aspiring dynasty) can be totally manipulative and distortional.

I am still undecided between Obama and Clinton. If the Republicans were "the party of ideas", and their ideas are now outdated, then what does Obama propose as his ideas to take this country in another direction. I have yet to hear specific details of his ideas, his cure for the economy, his idea for immigration reform, his solid approach to universal health, his solution to the war and to those countries who have been milking our economy. How does he propose specifically to change the image of this country in the eyes of the world, both friends and foes.

Obama's voting record shows him to be a person who sits on the fence and votes "Present' rather than commit to a decision. I don't want a President who may be eloquent but lacks decisive action.

Obama should stop being a crybaby. A corrupt Chicago politician himself, he should get off his high horse.

"Well, tough. This ain't bean bag folks. Obama better toughen up because the Republics are masters of this."

Quoting that doesn't make voting for a slimey liar any more palatable. Or likely on my part.

I am another long time Democrat who is disgusted by Bill and Hillary and if Obama is not the candidate I will vote for McCain.

Dan-W TX, ditto.

So we've moved on from it's negative to mention his middle name or mention his admitted drug use.

Now replaying uncut (AND IN CONTEXT) his actual words in a pandering effort to solicit a conservative newspaper's endorsement and score a few Republican votes is now off limits.

Sorry, but this is politics, not theology. Hillary, blast this fraud away. We all know that all the anti-Clinton whatevers would be all over this if the situation were reversed.

"Quoting that doesn't make voting for a slimey liar any more palatable. Or likely on my part."

Quoting that doesn't change the fact frustrated Obama better toughen up.

I am stunned! I don't understand! You loved the Clintons when you had money in your pockets even though it ws created by technology, not him. You loved him and his womanizing. You loved her travelgate. You even reelected him knowing he was a liar. What has happened? Ain't he still hot? Oh, his hair has turned grey.

Ronald Reagan one of Hillary Clinton's favorite presidents?

Hillary's complete contradiction to her debate comments about Reagan and Obama comments.

This is straight from Hillary's website:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4674

But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.

Obama isn't any different. I admired his speech in 2004 democratic convention. The more and more I hear his rhetoric, he's just another same old politician...lots of words and whining without action. Obama needs to wakeup!!! He needs to take responsibility and be held accountable for what he says.

In daily life, it’s not bad for a wise man to give praise where due and also reprimand where necessary. Obama is being a realist. He can tell good from bad and vice versa.
He is a Democrat, one with a sound mind, one who can make proper judgments before he goes against something. He is not the kind of person programmed to go against all ideas good and bad without thinking deeply. A true Democrat and a statesman for that matter should work for the good of the people and not his party and his people are not only his party members but belong to other parties as well as other beliefs.

I am an African who lives in Africa and used to have so much respect for Mr. Clinton. However the dirty tactics that the Clintons are employing remind me of my African leaders who will do whatever it takes to get into State House “Africa" White House"USA" and after that, only listen to their cronies without paying any attention to the opposition which may also have pro people ideas and policies.
I would like to call upon the Clintons not to manipulate the voters but rather sale them their ideas and if the voters find them to be better than those of Senator Obama, well, they’ll say it out through the ballots. Leave the dirty politics to Africa and the movies such as Prison Break where the Vice President was a slimmer.
This is the voice of an African with a Democratic heart.

Check out the transcrript people:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/barackobama/story/0,,2245244,00.html

Obama said:
Republicans are the party of ideas.
Reagan cahnged trajectory, Clinton did not.

If he really meant what he said in the debate that Republicans had new but bad ideas, he could have said so during that really loooong interview. But he did not. He was evidently hiding his true intentions and opinions so that he could get recommnded by the conservative Reno Gazette - and win he did - in Reno, in Rural Nevada.

But at what cost? He truned his back on the democraitc party and blacks (because he assumed that he already has them in his pockets).

The dems don't often provide much in the way of solutions they spend most of their time trying to divide people.

The dems are the party of hate and division.

Certainly not the party of vision and hope.

Let me get this straight! Its ok to disgustingly attack a WHITE FEMALE Senator who also was a two time First Lady, but don't dare tell any truths about the 1/2 black man running! GROW UP! Obama proves over and over he can't handle the heat and is a bad bad chice for the White House. Especially with his wife spreading racial tensions! Obama would be a huge mistake for this great country,not becuase hes 1/2 black, becuase he is in-experienced to handle the serious troubles the next President will inherit. Secondly his racist beliefs are troubling for ALL non-black american voters. Obama's spiritual adviser, J Wright gave Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness. Louis Farrakhan. maybe for Wright and some others, Farrakhan "epitomized greatness." For Americans, Farrakhan epitomizes racism, particularly in the form of anti-Semitism. Over the years, he has compiled an awesome record of offensive statements, even denigrating the Holocaust by falsely attributing it to Jewish cooperation with Hitler "They helped him get the Third Reich on the road." His history is a rancid stew of lies. Any praise of Farrakhan heightens the prestige of the leader of the Nation of Islam. His anti-Semitism and particularly his false insistence that Jews have played an inordinate role in victimizing African Americans.
Farrakhan's dream has vilified whites and singled out Jews to blame for crimes large and small, either committed by others as well or not at all. (A dominant role in the slave trade, for instance.) He has talked of Jewish conspiracies to set a media line for the whole nation. He has reviled Jews in a manner that brings Hitler to mind. And yet Wright heaped praise on Farrakhan. According to Trumpet, he applauded his "depth of analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation." He praised "his integrity and honesty." He called him "an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose." These are the words of a man who prayed with Obama just before the Illinois senator announced his run for the presidency. Will he pray with him just before his inaugural?
The New York Times recently reported on Obama's penchant while serving in the Illinois legislature for merely voting "present" when faced with some tough issues. Farrakhan, in a strictly political sense, may be a tough issue for him. This time, though, "present" will not do.

Obama said oops on Senate votes
Barack Obama angered fellow Democrats in the Illinois Senate when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago's West Side. But Obama had a ready explanation:
He goofed.

Also announced he had fumbled an election-reform vote the day before, on a measure that passed 51 to 6. The next day, he acknowledged voting "present" on a key telecommunications vote.

He stood on March 11, 1999, to take back his vote against legislation to end good-behavior credits for certain felons in county jails. "I pressed the wrong button on that," he said.

Obama was the lone dissenter on Feb. 24, 2000, against 57 yeas for a ban on human cloning. "I pressed the wrong button by accident," he said.

But two of Obama's bumbles came on more-sensitive topics, he backed legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside.

The measure, pushed by the gambling industry and fought by church groups whose support Obama was seeking, passed with two "yeas" to spare -- including Obama's. Moments after its passage he rose to say, explaining that he had mistakenly voted for it.

Obama would later develop a reputation as a critic of the gambling industry, and he voted against a similar measure two years later. But he was clearly confused about how to handle the issue at the time of his first vote, telling a church group that he was "undecided" about whether he backed an expansion of riverboat gambling. And, months earlier, he had voted in favor of a version of the bill.

Obama's vote sparked a confrontation after he joined Republicans to block Democrats trying to override a veto by GOP Gov. George Ryan of a $2-million allotment for the west Chicago child welfare office. being responsible," said Sen. Rickey Hendon, accusing Obama of voting to close the child welfare office.Obama replied "I understand Sen. Hendon's anger, I was not aware that I had voted no on that piece of legislation.

If Hillary thinks Republicans are so terrible then why does she list two of them as her favorite presidents?

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4674

Clinton double-talk at its worst.

Like it or not (and I personally do not like it), Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of American politics in a way that favored Republicans. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, squandered the political capital of the Democratic Party like a drunk with a winning lotto ticket. That is precisely why we have had eight years of Bush.

Oh my God, she must think we are totally stupid or she is totally divisive and reactionary in her thinking. You think we have a "do nothing" congress now, think how Republicans will react to this if she gets the white house. There are some good repbulicans (Chuck Hagel) and there are some bad Democrats. Let's stick to what really concerns Americans today. Let's come together to get things done on all sides.

I am an Obama supporter, but I cringe at this statement by Obama in the PRIMARY election. There is nothing to be gained, and I don't see how you can take from his statement anything but praise for Ronald Reagan, by far and away the most overrated President of all time.

On foreign policy, he sold arms to the mullahs in Iran (illegally, on top of it), provided Saddam Hussein with the WMD's we later used as justification for taking over his country, and supplied arms and training to Osama Bin Laden and the mujahadeen, before turning his back on them and creating a festering wound that ultimately resulted in 9/11.

On economics, the Clinton years were more successful in every measure than the Reagan years. The rest is spin.

So, even though I still support Obama, I am appalled to see a Democrat make a direct comparison between Reagan and Clinton and essentially side with Reagan as the "ideas" guy.

A more accurate reading would be that Reagan implemented economic policies that produced growth, while Clinton instituted nearly the opposite policies and produced even greater growth. If Trickle Down orthodoxy worked, as Bush II is still dreaming it will, then the tax increases of the early 90's should have resulted in the Second Great Depression. 'Course, it didn't exactly play out like that.

Here's a backhanded praise of Reagan vis-a-vis Bush II by none other than uber-liberal Paul Krugman.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/opinion/08KRUG.html?ex=1402027200&en=d7e99bfbc6b07590&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

Here are a few links to praise from conservatives and former Clinton-haters who, unlike the Trickle Down Terrys and Dyslin's of this world, are actually capable of looking at facts and analyzing them without letting their institutional bias interrupt the process.

http://econ161.berkeley.edu/movable_type/2004_archives/001117.html

http://www.kellysite.net/taxes.html

Here is an interesting comparison of Bush II to Reagan and to Nixon
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0603.drum.html

To imply that the progressive centrism practiced by Clinton (increased taxes on the wealthy in exchange for large-scale investment in education, infrastructure and technology) is not an "idea" is pretty silly, and of course it provides the shameless GOP with an unnecessary arrow in their quiver.

This primary fight is really hurting Democrats.

I can tell you that myself, some friends and family have gotten turned off by the Clinton's behaviour to do anything to win and we will not vote for her if she gets the Democratic nomimnee. Their behavior and distortions like at Meet the Press in which Hilalry said: "Sen. Obama's chief strategist accuses me of playing a role in Benazir Bhutto's assassination.'' When in actuality David Axelrod never made such an accusation. He said former Prime Minister Bhutto's death will ''call into issue the judgment'' of ''taking the eye off the ball and making the wrong judgment in going into Iraq.'' and their recent attempt in voter suppresion in Nevada has shown a lot of people another side to them we did not know existed and it does not look pretty. They have divided the paty and it is a deep division. They seem more like Karl-Rove Republicans than Democrats and it is a shame to see their moral demise!

In the future, there will have to be some kind of Campaign Reform: Rules and Regulations from the Perspective Partiese in the way politicians run their campaigns to keep them truthful and from distorting one another's records.

Actually, I consider Hillary to be amazingly dangerous. Anyone who, when the words spoken are "the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk" hears "I liked the Republicans ideas" is inconceivably unfamiliar with the English language. It makes me fear for the utterance of a sentence such as "we are having difficulty coming to terms with the Russians." What might she hear then? "Launch a full-scale nuclear attack?" A person who is that unclear on the meanings of words is not only unfit for the Presidency but also for service in the Senate!