by Frank James and Jason George
So what does it mean that Sen. Hillary Clinton "won" the Democratic Primary in Florida? Not much, since none of the Democratic presidential candidates campaigned there and no delegates will be allocated to her.
It was kind of a Potemkin village of a race, like the one in Michigan which also didn't count on the Democratic side because, like Florida, Michigan moved its primary to an earlier date against the wishes of the Democratic National Committee.
A Potemkin race deserves a Potemkin victory celebration, and that's what the Clinton campaign provided as Clinton thanked her Florida voters for their support.
At her victory rally in Davie, Fla., Clinton said her win – even without delegates – bodes well for her ahead of the Super Tuesday contests.
"This has been a record turnout because Floridians want to hear their voices heard," she told her boisterous supporters.
Even though she won't get any delegates, Clinton clearly planned to use it for its bragging rights potential going into Super Tuesday next week.
Sen. Barack Obama got huge momentum coming out of South Carolina last weekend which was followed by the endorsements by Sen. Edward Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg.
Also, given what happened in 2000 and how important Florida was then to the outcome, if Clinton winds up being the Democratic nominee, her appearance in the state tonight was her way to keep Democrats from ceding it completely to the Republicans today. So it was her way way to show Florida voters that she was simpatico with them. Maybe they'll remember in November.







Comments
It was a tie. 0 delegates awarded to each democrat.
Who does Hillary think she's fooling? And what else do the Clintons have to do before democrats wake up and see them for the shameless narcissists they are. I once fell for their act.
Like Caroline Kennedy, I'm all in for Barack now.
Posted by: Suzanne | January 29, 2008 10:39 PM
DEMOCRATS WHO INSPIRE
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Adlai Stevenson
John F. Kennedy
Robert F. Kennedy
Barack Obama
DEMOCRATS WHO USE RACIAL APPEALS TO GET ELECTED
Strom Thurmond
James O. Eastland
George C. Wallace
Bill & Hillary Clinton
Posted by: MARTIN EDWIN ANDERSEN | January 29, 2008 10:44 PM
To Suzanne, the only thing Obama inspire me to be is to convert to Republican party, AND I HATE REPUBLICANS!
Posted by: Dana | January 29, 2008 11:07 PM
In Clinton's victory speech she complimented her “great friend Alcee Hastings.”
The same corrupt, disgraced and disgraceful Alcee Hastings who was impeached and convicted for bribery and perjury by the Senate.
The convicted bribe-taker Hastings was Clinton's FL chairman.
Posted by: Grabowski | January 29, 2008 11:14 PM
Good to see Clinton win 850,000 votes; that's more than Obama and Edwards putting together. (McCain got 700,000)
Barak got 27% white vote; same as Edwards got in South Carolina and he lost Hispanic vote 2-1. Goes to prove Barak is still a black candidate. As a Democrat I want to bet on him as the next guy; boy, it is not looking good for Barak.
Posted by: navin | January 29, 2008 11:15 PM
'Like Caroline Kennedy, I'm all in for Barack now.'
Posted by Suzanne
His full name is Barack "Hussein" Obama.
So... Be careful for (who your all in for) those Islamic burka's make women look fat.
Fashionable burkas coming to every womens store in January 2009 if Barack gets elected.
Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | January 29, 2008 11:17 PM
Hiliary will scoop up the presidency !!!! so lets relax the 5th is almost here and it will be Hiliary or bust!!!!!
Posted by: Diane | January 29, 2008 11:27 PM
The Manchester (NH) Union Leader says it best:
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Hillary%27s+word%3a+It%27s+worth+nothing&articleId=0853268a-d982-4190-81e8-740ae942f510
Posted by: dorothy | January 29, 2008 11:37 PM
Paulo, you really need to stop that Barack Hussein Obama stuff and that women will be in burquas. Go after Obama on the issues, his middle name has nothing to do with it and we will not become an Islamic nation with women wearing burquas if he should win. It's really unseemly and makes you look as dingy as any member of the Loony Left.
Posted by: John D | January 29, 2008 11:37 PM
Even though no delegates were awarded I'm glad Clinton won Florida. She has the experience, sympathy, grace, and strengh this country needs. NO other candidate would tend to the critical needs of this country better.
Clinton for '08!
Posted by: Anthony | January 29, 2008 11:41 PM
I think Hillary will win big on Super Tuesday. She's leading in the major states. I'm glad she did well in Florida.
Posted by: goldenstate | January 29, 2008 11:42 PM
Who gives a damn what his middle name is? He did not name himself and he belongs to a Christian church.
Posted by: Jim | January 30, 2008 12:01 AM
According to the CNN exit poll, 59% of Democrats in Florida voted absentee or more than a month ago. Those voters went overwhelmingly for Clinton. Those who made up their minds in the last month went for Obama. Make of it what you will.
Posted by: KPO'M | January 30, 2008 12:19 AM
Barack is N O T a Muslim. Please get your facts straight and seek the truth. If you google Obama and Islam you will learn that he is a Christian and always has been.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 30, 2008 12:23 AM
Paulo, do yourself a favor and go play on the Dan Ryan. Hillary shows her complete lack of class. This hussy hustled down to Florida to bask in a meaningless victory, yet ignored the hundreds of people who campaigned for her in South Carolina. She didn't even bother to show up to thank them for their hard work on her behalf. She was off whoring for votes in (gasp) a Black church in Memphis. Shameless, classless this woman and her Bill.
Posted by: GW | January 30, 2008 12:43 AM
Thats exceptionally narrow minded. So what if that's his middle name? It's a common name in the world, genius. So what he doesn't have a name like Paulo? Would you not vote for somebody because Paulo is an ignorant retards name? Barack is a far better candidate than the rest..sorry, but thats true. Can we be united? I hope you'll find your way and join in saying, "yes we can".
Posted by: Mark | January 30, 2008 1:06 AM
Great win, Hillary.
I suspect the next week will be hell, as this and other media outlets unleash their Clinton-hate fullblast. But it'll only backfire.
Posted by: Biggdawg | January 30, 2008 1:20 AM
typical american comments. Well, unfortunatly the rest of the world can't vote.. cause you guys have amazing judgment. Yaa Not really. Only your country could be so naive to think Hilary Clinton isn't like George Bush....
Come on.. think for once.
Posted by: crystal | January 30, 2008 1:30 AM
Paulo,
His full name is Barack "Hussein" Obama because that was his father's name. His father, who he met only once in his life, wasn't a Muslim either, his grandfather followed Islam.
Your ridiculous hysterical claims about "burkas" are not only bigoted, but factually incorrect!
I, for one, am tired of the lies being spread across the internet about Barack Obama. It makes me sick that people are so spiteful and seek to cheat the american people.
Posted by: lostlo | January 30, 2008 1:34 AM
When the Democrats get to their convention, the delegates from both Florida and Michigan will be seated. This will make the Boy Wonder look like an idiot.
Posted by: Todd | January 30, 2008 1:39 AM
Paulo..........are you crazy? Just cause his name is Obama does not make him a terrorist ya knuckle head. I read a comment like this a few weeks ago where the guy wrote that his name sounds to much like Osama Bin laden, and he did not want a terrorist in the white house.....Democracy is great except stupid people can vote to.
Posted by: jimm | January 30, 2008 1:51 AM
The sheer ignorance shown in these comments is really alarming...I think america is in a state of turmoil.
Oh wait, whats that? This just in, most of the comments above were in fact posted by Hillary.
I feel better already.
Posted by: Hussein | January 30, 2008 1:56 AM
Amazing comments and a great show of reader intelligence (or lack of it).
Posted by: Olivia | January 30, 2008 2:08 AM
The left liberal media has a hard time explaining why Hillary won so big in Florida. This election is so corrupt it is funny. Corrupt because the left leaning media is trying every dirty trick to get Barack Hussein Obama elected. So what if the news is distorted in favor of Hussein.
Posted by: Clarence | January 30, 2008 2:29 AM
Love the logic, Paulo.
Can't wait to find out your middle name.
Posted by: Kevin | January 30, 2008 2:46 AM
paulo, your name sounds like an immigrant name. you should know better than to encourage this kind of racism and stereotyping.
obama rhymes with mama! mama's are nice folks.
im all for mamas and obama!
Posted by: ed | January 30, 2008 2:52 AM
Hold on one second, folks.
Hillary now wants the votes in Florida and Michigan to count. She plans to push to have the delegates from those states seated at the Democratic National Convention.
So, first we saw the cheap Clinton theater, where Hillary played the poor, victimized woman in a man’s political game. Then we witnessed Hillary and Bill bait her opponents with personal attacks and misrepresentations about their views on the issues – while complaining about “dirty campaigning” whenever one of them made a negative remark about Hillary. And now we learn that Hillary likes to sandbag her rivals too.
It seems to me the other candidates wouldn’t have signed a pledge not to campaign in Florida or Michigan had they known the primaries in either State would contribute to the overall delegate count. If they couldn’t enter the fray and convince voters to vote for them, it is hardly fair to change the rules after the fact to prejudice them for their non-participation.
Hillary, however, doesn’t see any unfairness in this. It doesn’t matter to her that the primaries in both states were uncontested. It doesn’t matter that seating Florida’s and Michigan’s delegates would be changing the rules after the fact. She won both States. That makes it perfectly fair. After all, those States need to have their voices heard too, don’t they? This is exactly what she said on MSNBC about a half an hour ago.
I have heard people in the Swamp say that Hillary will say anything to get elected. We need to correct that. It should be said that she would do or say anything to get elected; fair or not.
I have made no secret of the fact that I have never been a Hillary fan. But the verifiable truth in this instance should make any fair-minded person doubt Hillary’s basic sense of justice and fairness. So, don’t just take my word for it. Fact-check her 180 degree reversal on the delegate issue for yourself. And then see if you still think she has the kind of character needed to fill the office of President. I don’t think so; and I don’t think you should either.
Posted by: John W. | January 30, 2008 2:56 AM
Poor Paulo. Nothing to say about policy, health, war, economy. Just burkas. Shame.
Posted by: Irene | January 30, 2008 3:24 AM
I cannot decide whether I am amused or offended by the mental midgets who focus on Obama's middle name. I guess it is both. Take note that Martin Luther and Martin King (senior and junior) shared the same middle name. Uh Paulo, that would be Luther -- so you don't have to look it up. And Luther is only one letter off from the vilan in Superman.
Maybe we should be arguing the quality of the content of their positions and ideas. Do you think?
Posted by: Tom Sterbenc | January 30, 2008 6:22 AM
"His full name is Barack "Hussein" Obama.
So... Be careful for (who your all in for) those Islamic burka's make women look fat.
Fashionable burkas coming to every womens store in January 2009 if Barack gets elected.
Paulo"
Why dont you just sign your posts "White Power" and be done with it?
Posted by: Smirky McFlightsuit | January 30, 2008 6:47 AM
Fashionable burkas coming to every womens store in January 2009 if Barack gets elected.
Paulo
Funny, I've yet to seen his wife in one. If he WERE Islamic which is proven he is not, don't you think his wife and daughters would be hidden away?
Posted by: lochnessmonster | January 30, 2008 7:07 AM
Paulo that will mean your Klan cone hat will go out of style in 2009. I agree with Suzanne, what will it take for democrats to get over it? You cannot turn back the clock. Hillary should deal with the fact that she was never really entitled to the Presidency of the United States just because she was married to Bill, and stop demanding her LOOM-PA LOOM-PA from him. Bill needs to forget about getting even with the past, he had his eight years.
Posted by: Babs | January 30, 2008 7:32 AM
If the presidential election were held today I would not vote for Obama, even if he is on the ballot. I probably will vote for Clinton if she is the Democratic presidential candidate, but if not I will vote for McCain. I think anyone who could live through life as a POW would be able to serve us well as a President, and certainly has faith in God. I like the fact that Clinton has always had children's interests very high on her priorty list.
Anyway, I think Barack Obama needs some more experience. He just does not have enough.
Posted by: whittemore 1889 | January 30, 2008 7:41 AM
The only people Hillary cares about are the same people almost all other professional career politicians care about: herself, and the people paying for her campaign (read: corporations, insurance companies, lobbyists, special interest groups, etc.). She's after the presidency because she wants her place in history as the first female American President and the first First Lady (and I use the term "lady" loosely) to later become President of the U.S.A., and so she can continue to cater to all of the folks who want nothing more than to keep it "politics as usual" in Washington, D.C. How it is that people keep getting suckered into her campaign is beyond me. But then again, look how many people voted for our current "president." I guess I shouldn't be too surprised...
Posted by: Michael | January 30, 2008 8:27 AM
Even if Obama was a Muslim why should that matter. I think too many people confuse Muslim with terrorist... they are not the same thing.
There is no rule in the U.S. that says the president should be of a certain faith. Why? Because we are supposed to have a separation of church and state.
Posted by: laureng | January 30, 2008 8:41 AM
wow... Irony of this media propoganda!!!
When the rules were same for both the candidates "Hillary" and "Obama"... why does it not count? I don't care about delegates (which I understand, technically matters)... More than a million Democrats voted and Hillary got more than 800K votes out of them!!! So why is media downplaying the voice of those about million people who voted for Hillary!!! I mean I understand you guys are biased against Hillary, but it's just to the extreme end of critic-spectrum!!! It does not show professionalism on part of journalists! Please be open and accept the verdict of people.. Please do not try to sway them for your own bias. I don't mind Obama's victory in the end, but please be fair in NOT influencing the people by your bias ill-intentional, failed , so called "political analysis"!!!
Posted by: Sanjay | January 30, 2008 8:47 AM
Florida is much more representative of the rest of the country then SC. SO make of it what you will, but I would bet that all states that do not have a 60% black voting population will fall around what Florida did. This is good news for Hillary and bad for Obama. His antics in SC will cost him the nomination.
Posted by: Vinny | January 30, 2008 9:37 AM
all this talk about experience..Give Obama the chance to get that experience in the next four years, if he still seems not ready for the job, then he's gone. Seriously, how could it be any worse than the last eight years. I think if I want everything to stay the same, I'll vote for Hillary, because Bill can tell her what to do, because he has all the experience in the world.
Posted by: Kris | January 30, 2008 9:48 AM
LISTEN PEOPLE.. BASHING Clinton is not the way. AND either way you look at it HUSSEIN is HUSSEIN. A leader of our country with the middle name of one of our biggest enemies. That is just a HUGE slap in the face to america as viewed by other countries. READ THE FACTS PEOPLE. HE IS A MONSTER. Well spoken, nice looking, very appealing MONSTER....
Posted by: scott | January 30, 2008 10:17 AM
i cannot believe, with the issues that we face, people are willing to vote for a lightweight like Obama. are you really willing to trust the country to someone with so little experience and such a naive idealistic platform. are you all so gullible to believe that Obama is going to go in and reform WASHINGTON. get real people! he will turn into the same politician that everyone else is as soon as he gets into office. and worse, he will not have the experience to know what to do with the grave situation of our economy or foreign policy. i can forgive college students for buying into the reformist platform of Obama and Edwards because they haven't been around for that long. but anybody over the age of 25 should not be buying into that load of rubbish. These bleeding heart liberals kill me with their complete ignorance to the ways of the world. Hillary is the best chance our country has of pulling out of the muck now and she will win the nomination and Presidency for sure.
Posted by: stuart | January 30, 2008 10:22 AM
Who cares what religion any of them are? Religion and politics are NOT supposed to mix!!!!
Posted by: sparrow | January 30, 2008 10:34 AM
I think that Hillary Clinton is a smart campaigner and would be an asset to this country! She has proven she gets results. She is probably the only candidate that actually has laid out plans to make her promises. They will change with the times. It's too bad this country, and the women in it, aren't ready for a woman president. All women do is snark on her. There have been women presidents in other countries who have inspired. Let's get Hillary elected!!
Posted by: Kristin | January 30, 2008 10:38 AM
Go Hillary. She is the best chance we Democrats have to beat the Republicans in this election. I think that Obama should have waited until he gained some real experience before throwing his hat into the ring. I know the young people think that supporting him is somehow fashionable, and I really can't blame them. I remember when I was young, idealistic and unable to think things through. Maybe Obama's time in the limelight will bode well for him in future races. He could have a great future ahead of him if he doesn't burn too many bridges now by being arrogant and cocky.
Posted by: Pamela | January 30, 2008 10:43 AM
As a Brit, who recently lived in the states and became a great admirer of your political commitments and process - I find a lot of this commentary churlish, intolerant and frankly underwhelming. It strikes me that now of all times is the time to be championing the issues and the candidates ability to lead on these issues. Does anyone remember: Hillary's aspirations for and how ineffective she was on health care ? or feel entirely comfortable with Bill's values ? (remember his list of pardons !!!). Two thoughts: what a great opportunity to unite on a reinvigorated future and what a shame if the republicans land another president merely because democrates can't bring themselves to champion an optimistic future. I'm sure the Republicans are gleeful reading the above.
Posted by: Mark | January 30, 2008 10:45 AM
Wow. A lot of dumb people in America! Barak is Christian...not Musslim.
Posted by: Doug | January 30, 2008 10:48 AM
It's funny reading the posts here extolling the supposed virtues of Obama while attacking the supposed racial tactics of Clinton.
You want "race baiting?" Obama strikes again, this time in the words of super Muslim and racist Malcolm X in Spike Lee's movie to incite a mostly African American audience in South Carolina last Friday. Coincidence?
"They're trying to bamboozle you. It's the same old okie-doke. Y'all know about okie doke, right?... They try to bamboozle you. Hoodwink ya. Try to hoodwink ya.”
- Barack Obama in a speech January 24, 2008 (video available online through Google)
"You've been hoodwinked. You've been had. You've been took. You've been led astray, led amok. You’ve been bamboozled."
- Malcolm X
__________
If any other candidate gave a speech that included phrases from, say, a white power leader, he/she would be berated by the Obama campaign and the media as a racist, and the world would come to end.
It's this kind of astounding double standard that will keep America from voting for the con man Obama.
Posted by: Jeff Richards | January 30, 2008 10:51 AM
I intend to vote for Obama just because I think he's the best candidate, one that has not been in Washington long enough to be corrupted by the business as usual politics of partisan politics. Also I think he has the best chance to beat any Republic candidate. Hillary has too many negatives (though most are lies perpetuated by the Republic party) that will be used against her in the general election. If Hillary gets the nomination I will vote for her in the general because we need a Democrat back in the White House to straiten out this mess the Republics have made of things these past seven years. I still can’t understand how anyone can vote for any Republic candidate after what this country has been through with Bush and Cheney, remember 9/11 happened after these guys were in office for over 8 months. All they did after that was to use it to instill fear and take away our rights and our right to privacy, start a war that’s killed thousands of American service men and women, thousands more Iraqis, and alienate us from our most of our allies.
Posted by: Rory M | January 30, 2008 10:58 AM
Some folks may try to counter the argument about Obama having little experience and a naive idealistic platform by saying that W had the same credentials and he was elected. I don't care for W, but at least he was a businessman and he had managed a state budget as governor of Texas before entering the presidential race. It breaks my heart to see kids, especially, fall for Obama's passion and emotion, as if passion and emotion alone can run this country. I will be supporting the candidate with experience and the muscle to get things done.
Posted by: Ana | January 30, 2008 11:02 AM
When JFK ran and was elected, he had very little political experience compared to Nixson. I voted for Nixson based on the "experience" factor and I always regretted having done so. I voted with my head rather than my instincts about a man who was a true leader.
JFK was able to sway the thinking of people here and in foreign countries. He had the fortitude to back down the Soviet Union in a crisis. He had a vision that he was able to communicate to young and old alike. He made some mistakes but had the courage to press on. He brought the country together.
I see JFK qualities in Obama; I see no more than raw ambition and a willingness to do or say anything necessary to get back to the White House in Clinton & Clinton.
I regret having voted for Nixson; I don't think I'll regret voting for Obama.
Posted by: Jerry O. Sr. | January 30, 2008 11:09 AM
Remember that Bill's complete names is
Bill "Lewinsky" Clinton.
If we all went by middle names, there will not be any governance, what?
Obama is as muslim as any one with a middle east stamp on his passport. Why would you lump someone in a bucket because of his name?
Grow up!
Posted by: Ash | January 30, 2008 11:10 AM
Weird. Just doesn't matter that Bill and Hillary Clinton are CRIMINALS! Even after the laundry list of offenses and outrages they've committed, People are still so blindly gullible that they still support and vote for them. It frightens me to think of how we're perceived by the rest of the world. Weak minded fools at best, suckers ripe for plucking at the worst. Well at least I'll be able to say that I didn't have a hand (or a choice) in it when the Clinton's get back in there and make themselves King and Queen of the US. Guess I'll just vote Republican.
Posted by: Jim Griffin | January 30, 2008 11:11 AM
Paulo,
You realize that Obama is a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ, right? Actually, you most likely do not. Instead, you are making a ridiculous assumption based solely on his name. Do some research before you opine.
Posted by: Johnny | January 30, 2008 11:24 AM
If I were a Hillary fan before, I wouldn't be now. What a sore loser!!!! She flies out of S.C. without even a 'thank you' to her supporters and does her stump speech in Tennessee. But she can make it to Florida to a state with no delegates? If a person will turn their back on their own campaign supporters, how do you think she’ll treat us once she becomes President? Actions speak louder than words.
I want a President who shows us how great we are; not to fear compromise, to fear changes in diplomacy, to fear hope, to fear Islam, to fear everything. I do not fear nor will I fear, as a great American once said "... the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which PARALYZES needed efforts to CONVERT retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to VICTORY." FDR
Posted by: Trey | January 30, 2008 11:34 AM
Paulo:
What a deep thinker you are, way to contribute to the serious dialogue and acceptance of other viewpoints needed to move our country forward.
Posted by: Lauro | January 30, 2008 11:50 AM
It's truly amazing how quickly we like to forget the nature of the office of the President. As the most visible figure representing the country to the American people and the rest of the world, the amount of responbility is tantamount to the experience necessary to navigate through the mess in which we've found ourselves post-9/11.
Obama can motivate the masses all he wants, but as we've seen the last 7 years, that doesn't mean much when the Commnander is forced to make difficult and unpopular decisions. We are naive to get caught up in the rhetoric of either campaign, when what really matters is history. When has there ever been a newly-elected President who's actually gotten their promised agenda through how they wanted it? Even Bush wasn't running on what he ended up pushing, because circumstances changed the dynamic.
Congress is an equal partner to the President. All the talk of change and installing a new Washington is bupkes. It's simply the strategy Obama has chosen to get the people riled up about the establishment that's been around since we declared independence 232 years ago. It's been like this since the beginning. A couple speeches sounding aghast at the current state of things isn't going to make a difference.
What we need to evaluate is who's going to be able to step in and move us forward right away. There's only one candidate who's got the experience with the inner workings of both branches and foreign government necessary to be effective from day-one on.
And as a side note, how is a bunch of Kennedy endorsements not pandering to the establishment Obama claims to want to get rid of?
Posted by: Joe | January 30, 2008 11:54 AM
Muslim or Christan what does it matter...seperate church and state right?
Posted by: NAS | January 30, 2008 12:12 PM
Two things - first, I'm really beginning to think that Paolo is a plant from Obama's camp, since everytime something positive happens for Hillary, he shows up with the burka rant and people jump to defend Barack - which moves the discussion away from what it's supposed to be about. Second, about the experience thing, this country has too many problems to allow a president four years of on-the-job training time. We need someone in office who can start dealing with those problems immediately. My vote is for Hillary. One reason is that it's beginning to look like McCain is going to be the GOP nominee, and I personally believe (and I think there are a few polls somewhere to back me up) that Hillary is the only Democratic candidate who can actually beat McCain in the general election.
Posted by: LindaJ | January 30, 2008 12:27 PM
I'm not even sure how to start this. Let me attempt an explanation as to why Hillary Clinton won Florida. When Florida was stripped of their delegates, the democratic candidates made a pact not to campaign in Florida. Two of those three candidates kept their word, while one of them went in and didn't "campaign"...only..."fundraised" and made speeches. If you were a democrat and didn't know anything about two of the three candidates, which one would you vote for? That's why the delegates shouldn't count, the other candidates kept their word and the crook ran away with the victory- go America!
Second, and for all you people who think Barack Obama doesn't have enough experience in the field, you want to explain to me why Ted Kennedy believes he's got what it takes? Are you telling me that you have a better understanding of the system than a man who was content not to take sides during this race but has finally stepped up and compared him to the man who some call the best president to ever step into office? Please, if you're worried about the experience aspect go listen to Ted Kennedy's endorsement, it'll make you feel better.
I am a woman and I am ridiculously embarrassed by Hillary's sad attempts at overcoming her competition. Before I knew of Barack I was whole heartedly going to vote for Hillary, but I found a better candidate. Is it really all that bad that Barack hasn't been chained to the corrupt corporate America that Hillary has dug her feet into? It's time for change folks, young and old need to come together and say yes we CAN change the face of the United States. Hopefully I'll be proud to be an American again quite soon :)
Posted by: Lara | January 30, 2008 12:33 PM
I would doubt very much if Florida is deprived of delegates come convention time. However and regardless of the delegate issue, Hillary Clinton won a primary election where over one million votes were cast and the largest majority in her favor. This isn't chopped liver. This was American citizens to the polls and casting votes that mattered to them as individuals and again it wasn't Obama or Edwards the majority chose, it was Clinton.
In no way can anyone cast this as a insignficant result of a false victory without giving insult to the record number of Democrats that came out to vote.
I've heard the Clinton naysayers attempting to reduce the importance through "name" recogization complaints. At this stage of the campaign as in this state, Obama's has as much name recogization as Clinton's. The Florida voters have heard what both have had to say and without the eloquent and flowery oratory, voted for substance.
Make no mistake, this was a big state to win or lose for both and particularly with the Hispanic vote, the second time Hispanic's have taken Clinton over Obama with their votes. This will resonate further into the campaign.
Spin it as you will, this was a good win for Clinton, and a bad loss for Obama.
Posted by: Ken | January 30, 2008 12:45 PM
Good Grief. Okay so if you think Obama does not have the experience don't vote for him but geez a muslim based on a middle name that is common in many other parts of the world. That means Dick Cheney must be a muslim too - as Obama is his distant cousin on his Moms side. Okay I know that is impossible as he was named after his Dad but the rationale folks are using here (namely our friend paulo the federal aid hustling illegal immigrant - could not help myself on that one) is just plain stupid. If you don't like Obama don't vote for him - though I feel he is a formidable candidate. I think he is not status quo and remember lewinskygate and whitewater. Also I am anti - Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. That sequence is all too freaky.
Posted by: Fair | January 30, 2008 2:08 PM
Can anyone tell me more about the comment in the Feb 4 Newsweek (P 8) that the Hillary campaign "shrieks" when the Barack campaign ran a national ad in Florida?
Posted by: bill | January 30, 2008 2:26 PM
Bush, Sr., Mr. Clinton, Bush, Jr., Mrs. Clinton? Chelsea Clinton (2012?)
Do you see a pattern here. It is time for CHANGE.
Go Barack. Change this madness.
Posted by: Me | January 30, 2008 2:57 PM
Leader of the free world is NOT the place to get on the job traning. Considering what little he has done if anything I would say he is still in traning for the senate. If Obama gets the nomination rest assured the republicans won't be as kind as his running mates have.
Posted by: sniper | January 30, 2008 3:12 PM
Bush, Sr., Mr. Clinton, Bush, Jr., Mrs. Clinton? Chelsea Clinton 2012?
Do you see a pattern here? It is time for CHANGE.
Go Barack, Go!!!!!
Posted by: Patme | January 30, 2008 3:14 PM
Paulo, if you can assume Obama is an Islamic fundamentalist based purely on his last name, can I assume that you're a border-jumping illegal immigrant?
Posted by: mike | January 30, 2008 4:01 PM
I supported Obama until Ted Kennedy endorsed him. No way will I vote for a Kennedy style democrat ever again.
Posted by: DNSmith | January 31, 2008 4:44 PM
I am waiting for the finals...Then I am going to vote Chicago style....
early and often
Posted by: Fred Engel | January 31, 2008 7:33 PM
Obama is just as dirty with his slum lord real estate holdings in the past.
Hillary has survived a lot and is still going. She wanted a better health care solution before it was "trendy" to do so and still has the impetus to stand fast on it even though she was dismissed when her husband was in office.
I'm not wasting any time with a newbie. Say what you will about Clinton, the budget was in the black not the red. When it comes down to it, I don't care who's prettier and nicer. I care about who knows how far they can push the lobbyists before they break and keep us from passing any worthwhile health care plan. Hillary FTW!
Posted by: JSmith | February 1, 2008 9:02 PM
As a Florida registered Democrat, I just want to say that not counting the Florida delegates in the primary would be completely unacceptable. If Obama wins the nomination fair and square with all the Florida primary votes counted, I will probably vote for him. However, if Obama receives the Democratic nomination without the Florida delegates counted, under no circumstances will I vote for him. Instead, I will abstain, vote for an independent, or even seriously consider voting Republican. I am sure many other Florida democrats plan the same action, especially after what happened with Al Gore in 2000!
Posted by: Tom | February 5, 2008 7:30 PM
As a Florida registered Democrat, I don't see a fair way to count those delegates now that the primary has taken place. Florida was stripped of delegates back in August. Where was Clinton? She did not express interest in Florida until January, after she lost Iowa and SC. Other states (like Illinois) tried to move their primaries up, and were warned, so they moved back to satisfy the rules. Florida broke the rules. If I am late to work, it would be great to run the red lights, but that's ridiculous isn't it? I have to follow rules. I voted for Obama in the Florida Dem primary. However, if superdelegates assist Senator Clinton in getting this nomination (the only way that she can win), rest assured that I will be voting for McCain, and I will concentrate voter registration efforts in areas will lots of McCain supporters.
Posted by: SR | March 8, 2008 2:43 PM