And then there were five.
Tonight we're live blogging the Republican presidential debate at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Fla., where five Fred-less candidates are facing off, before polls open in the Sunshine State next Tuesday.
Just whom will the sun shine on tonight?
It could be any of them, so expect jabs and sparks. There's even a scheduled Q&A among the candidates, which could be quite interesting. New polls show Romney on top in the state, so Giuliani – who's staked his campaign on a Fla. win – will need to sparkle like a diamond tonight. (I'll try to count all the 9/11 references, but remember – I'm just one man.)
Pull up a chair; and if you've got the tube on MSNBC, send in those comments.
- Jason George
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Updated: 10:45 p.m. EST
That's all folks. The two-hour debate was cut to about 100 minutes at the requests of the candidates, at least that's what Brian Williams said.
What was the highlight?
Nothing too crazy tonight – all in all it was the tamest of affairs.
Perhaps what was most impressive was when Russert spent what seemed like a full five minutes going after Romney, questioning him about giving money to his own campaign and many Americans still saying they won't vote for a Mormon.
Romney handled both questions with ease and used the valuable time to get into several of his talking points. For a moment, you could've forgot other candidates were on the stage.
And so much for our Rudy 9/11 Watch – he never mentioned the day once, except indirectly.
Who did come up?
John McCain's mother was mentioned in three separate instances. Chuck Norris came up twice, and Sylvester Stalone was invoked once.
The name most mentioned tonight (beyond Bush and those on stage)?
Hillary Clinton – Romney, McCain and Giuliani all took shots at her, never once mentioning Senators Barack Obama or Edwards.
While that might demonstrate that the Republicans don't consider them a threat, I doubt the two men minded being left out of the discussion.
Good night.
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Updated: 10:36 p.m. EST
McCain says he knows "its unusual," but he jumps in to say that Giuliani is an American hero because of 9/11.
He did this just after Williams reads part of tomorrow's NYT editorial, which says that Giuliani is "a narrow, obsessively secretive, vindictive man who saw no need to limit police power…Mr. Giuliani’s arrogance and bad judgment are breathtaking."
Giuliani nods his thanks to McCain, who the paper did endorse.
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Updated: 10:32 p.m. EST
Williams asked Romney about the other candidates saying he's a flip-flopper and how they don't like him.
Romney says that's fine.
"I'm not going to Washington to make friend with politicians. I'm going to Washington to change things."
Obama did not jump on stage to tell Romney he was "likable enough."
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Updated: 10:22 p.m. EST
Russert says that when Paul ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988 he said he wanted to abolish social security. Does he still support that?
Yep, he says, but he'd phase it out.
He says he'll pay for all the people currently receiving benefits by taking all the money being spent oversees – on war and aid – and fund those currently on the rolls.
Huckabee says fixing the tax code would save social security.
Romney says he won't raise taxes to fix the social security shortfall. There are three other ways you can solve the problem of social security, he says. They are:
1) Create personal accounts for those who want to opt out
2) Reduce benefits for wealthy Americans
3) Change retirement age
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Updated: 10:10 p.m. EST
Finally Brian Williams addresses the elephant in the room and asks Giuliani about what he thinks about sliding 30+ points in Florida polls in the past 10 months.
"This has become a very competitive race," Giuliani says, saying he'll be like the NY Giants and win (as they did last week).
"We have them all lulled into a very false sense of security now," he says in the night's best joke so far, which deservedly got a good laugh from the crowd.
" We're going to come from behind and we're going to win here in Florida."
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Updated: 10:00 p.m. EST
The part where the candidates get to ask another candidate one question fails to deliver flares.
Note that Romney gets two questions. No one asks Paul anything.
Giuliani asks Romney: Do you support the proposed National Catastrophic Fund, which McCain doesn't? (It's very popular in Florida.)
Romney replies: "I do support some kind of fund"
-Says it could be a state's program, a public-private partnership, but says he doesn't support people in all the states subsidizing those in accident-prone states like Florida.
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Huckabee asks Romney: You say you support the Second Amendment, then why you also support the assault weapon ban and the Brady bill?
Romney replies: "I do support the second amendment."
"I also, like the president, would've signed the assault weapon ban that was on his desk."
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Paul asks McCain: How would you handle economics in your administration?
McCain replies: He relies on a circle to handle such stuff. Points out he already has economic advisers like Jack Kemp and Phil Gramm.
"I would rely on the circle," he says.
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McCain asks Huckabee: How do you answer the criticism that the FairTax, a proposed national sales tax Huckabee supports, wouldn’t cause poorer Americans more of the pain and burden of running government?
Huckabee replies: "It actually un-taxes the poor, un-taxes the elderly," he says, referring to the "prebate" offered through the FairTax. (For details of this, go to their Web site.)
"I want to put the IRS out of business."
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Romney asks Giuliani: How do we make sure we level the playing field on trade with China?
Giuliani replies: "The reality is China is a great opportunity for America and a great challenge to America."
"I think we should be working with China to push down some of these barriers."
-Giuliani says 20 to 30 million people are rising out of poverty each year in China.
"That's 20 or 30 million people we can be selling things to. "
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Updated: 9:41 p.m. EST
Russert asks them all: Was it a good idea, worth the country's "blood and treasure," to go to war in Iraq?
Romney:
"It was the right decision to go into Iraq. I supported it then and I support it now."
-Adds war was under-managed and understaffed for a while, but it is working now.
Huckabee:
"I supported the president when he led us into to this, as did the Democrats, and we owe him not our scorn, but our thanks."
"It's easy to second guess a president."
Paul:
"It was a very bad idea and it wasn't worth it."
[Applause from crowd…only answer this happens on]
Giuliani:
"I was for it when 6 out of 10 [of Americans] were for it, I'm for it when 6 out of 10 are against it."
McCain:
"It was worth getting rid of Saddam Hussein."
-He blames Rumsfield for mishandling. "Now we're on the right track."
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Updated: 9:30 p.m. EST
Russert keeps at all the candidates about the economic downturn happening under a Republican watch in the White House and in Congress (until recently.)
McCain says the Republicans deserve some blame, saying such talk is, you guessed it, Straight Talk.
Both Huckabee and Romney see the opening and both say they weren't in Washington so you can't blame them – they're 'Washington Outsiders.'
Giuliani gives a similar answer, saying he turned around the NYC economy.
Rep. Ron Paul says just because he's been in Congress, doesn't mean he's for taxing. He points out that he's never voted for a tax increase.
"I'm known as the taxpayers best friend," he says. "I'm not part of that crowd" of Washington.
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Updated: 9:20 p.m. EST
9/11-RudyWatch
Guiliani mentions Ground Zero, not 9/11, but close enough.
Reference: 1
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Updated: 9:17 p.m. EST
Tim Russert asks former Gov. Huckabee if he thinks Romney can be trusted with the country's finances as he oversaw $250,000 in fees increases while he was governor.
Huckabee doesn't take the bait, saying that's up to the voters.
"I know this – I balanced a budget every year I was a governor," Huckabee said.
Then the former Arkansas governor goes for the bombastic, arguing that the $150 million for U.S. rebates will probably have to be borrowed from China, and then people will buy goods from China.
His solution instead?
No rebates, but expanding Interstate 95 by two lanes "from Bangor, Maine to Miami."
" I believe it would do more to stimulate the economy," he said.
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Updated: 9:07 p.m. EST
The first question is to Romney, when Brian Williams asks the former governor if he is disappointed with the stimulus package Bush signed today, which differs from his plan.
"There is a great deal that is effective in his plan I just wish it went further," Romney said.
Romney mentions helping reverse the housing crisis and making permanent tax cut for people in the lowest tax bracket.
"I look forward to taking it further," he said.
That's frontrunner talk, but that's what Romney is: In a MSNBC/McClatchey/Mason Dixon poll released earlier today, Romney is in the lead at 30 percent. McCain sits within the 5 percent margin of error for first place at 26 percent. Giuliani – who has basically lived in the state for months – is in 3rd (18 percent), followed by Huckabee at 13 percent.
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Posted by: Haley | January 24, 2008 9:20 PM
Why doesn't someone ask the Republican which programs they're going to cut to stop the government spending. Do we all know that it's going to be social programs that benefit our young children, single mothers, veterans?
Posted by: James Cristian | January 24, 2008 9:43 PM
Live blogging the mouthbreathing, knuckledragging Republic Party debate?
This should be fun...
Which Wingnut will get the "Del Boca Vista" vote? stay tuned...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU2MW-ItugQ
ROMNEY talking about stimulus, something that this crowd is going to sorely need.
McCAIN angry about not making Bush tax cuts permanent. Deeply concerned about families making up their 2010 budgets. No, I didn't make that up. McCAIN really believes that working Americans are doing up 2010 budgets.
RUDY playing "can you top this" on tax cuts, saying that he wants the biggest tax cuts in American history. Which taxes does he specify? Cap gains and corporate. Way to play to regular voters hit by the credit crunch, guy. Something tells me Rudy hasn't been talking to underpaid workers lately, which is odd, since all his staffers have been cut back to part-time pay.
Q to McCain: Is it true you know nothing about economics?
McCAIN: No, it's not. I have smart people around me, like Wilford Brimley and Sly Stallone.
HUCK worried that rebate checks will fuel Red China, proposes widening I-95, investing in infrastructure. (Wow. Holy crap. Huckabee is making perfect sense on stimulus -- invest in infrastructure. I'm sorry -- I'll wash out my mouth. But damn it if that wasn't the answer I'd want from Democrats.)
MITT returns the debate to the "Who Can Cut Taxes More" fantasy land.
McCAIN attributes GOP defeat in 2006 to spending too much money on pork. Not, you know, Iraq.
DOCTOR RON PAUL admits that government has a role in fighting recession -- and that role is cutting taxes and regulation. You can tell that it's all he can do not to start screaming about the gold standard and worthless fiat paper.
Q to RUDY: Unamerican for banks to seek sovereign wealth fund investment? Should they refuse dirty Middle East money like you did after 9/11?
RUDY: C'mon. I'm a rich Republican from New York. Wall Street bankers are my pals. You think I'm gonna criticize them for selling themselves to oil barons?
Q to McCain: Given how badly Bush has destroyed the economy, why should Americans elect a Republican?
McCain: We may suck, but the Dems are worse. I hate pork, unlike George Bush (and the Democrats). "We'll clean up our act." Seriously. Trust us.
Once again, HUCK injects talk about the struggles of working people into the debate. It sounds so odd, so out of place -- and even his prescription for tax cuts doesn't quite make him sound like his fellows.
MITT refuses to condemn BUSH, while at the same time running away from W right back to that spectacular 2002 Olympic success. (When did running a Winter Olympics qualify anyone to run a government? By that standard, Juan Antonio Samaranch should be World Czar.)
DOCTOR RON PAUL disavows any responsibility for the past eight years, promises a new dark age.
Q to McCain: How can we sustain effort in Iraq, given that we can't?
McCain: Iraq is going swimmingly. I have no idea what you're talking about. Why would we get out of Iraq? It's going great? Besides, we've got sort of a white-man's-burden thing going on, what with being a superpower.
Posted by: John E | January 24, 2008 9:44 PM
The republican debate is winding down and also turning into an A%S KISS-A-THON! Pathetic.
Ron Paul is the only one who isn't joining in. p.s. I'm not a Ronbot!
Posted by: Jim Jones | January 24, 2008 10:36 PM
Anybody notice that Mitt Romney disavowed the Reagan legacy? You heard with his own words: He would not govern like Ronald Reagan. Hope Rush Limbaugh was listening.
Posted by: JB | January 24, 2008 10:38 PM
The McCain coronation has begun. That said, I thought Mitt Romney had a good showing.
Yawn...back to sports center.
Posted by: Logic Prisoner | January 24, 2008 10:42 PM
Why wasn't Ron Paul and Huckabee even there, they were asked less than 1/8'th of the question the "top three" were asked. It was apparent Rommney is the chosen Repulican candidate by the Rebuplican party, and that is a shame.
Posted by: Wayne Drummond | January 24, 2008 10:49 PM
House Majority Leader, John Beohner, Oct. 2006:
"I think Donald Rumsfeld is the best thing that has happened to the Pentagon in 25 years. This Pentagon and our military needs a transformation. And I think Donald Rumsfeld is the only man in America who knows where the bodies are buried at the Pentagon, has enough experience to help transform that institution. Let's not take the problems in Iraq, the tough fight that we're in there, and blame it on anyone. We're in a tough fight. Al-Qaeda is doing everything they can to disrupt our efforts in Iraq, to disrupt the new government, creating more violence than anyone can imagine, and defeating al-Qaeda there is important because if we were to pull out before we win, we will embolden every terrorist in every corner of the world. And then, instead of fighting them in Iraq, we'll be fighting them on every street in America."
Posted by: dt | January 24, 2008 10:53 PM
Romney - Let's just talk about character or lack there of.
To me it is all important.
Romney is the guy that tied his dog to the top of his car and then cooly just hosed the dog off when the poor thing shit itself and then he continued on his merry way. He says that this is an example of his ability to make unemotional decisions. I think it says everything about him and I wonder how he has gotten this far. Tell me - I am pretty much joe average and this is just unbeleivable. I will bet that you reading this does not believe it. Well here it is. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/romney/articles/part4_main/
Bring this incident to light and let him defend it. There is no way that he would be considered further.
Posted by: Dave | January 24, 2008 10:54 PM
Does Brian Williams actually believe that the New York Times endorsement helps McCain?
Ex-Jimmy Carter White House staffer Williams has no clue about Republicans--or about much else.
Posted by: Bill Douglas | January 24, 2008 11:24 PM
Mitt Romney's top ten campaign promises:
10.Will change Martin Luther King Day to National Varmint Hunting Day
9.Will move the nation's capitol to the new Zion, Salt Lake City, Utah
8. Will create two Guantanamos. One for shifty-eyed Muslims, and one for Evangelicals who didn't vote Romney.
7. The Golden Plates will replace the Constitution as the guiding principles of our nation (Cheney says he knows exactly where they are hidden).
6. Monday Night Football will be replaced by the new Fox reality show, Monday Home Evening with the Romneys.
5. All U.S. citizens, 19 years or older, will be required to serve a Mormon Mission in Mesopatmia
4.There will be a national prohibition on caffeinated drinks. Furthermore, all Starbucks stores will be converted to missionary training centers.
3. All movies will be sanitized so as not to include any naughty stuff.
2. The Supreme Court will be replaced the the Twelve Apostles as the law of the land.
1. Will change the policy on bigamy to "don't ask, don't tell.
Posted by: dt | January 24, 2008 11:34 PM
Does Brian Williams actually believe that the New York Times endorsement helps McCain?
Ex-Jimmy Carter White House staffer Williams has no clue about Republicans--or about much else.
Posted by: Bill Douglas | January 24, 2008 11:24 PM
Helps with me.
Posted by: Former Brainwashed Republican | January 24, 2008 11:46 PM
Where is Swamp tool bruce to complain about the Swamp coverage of the republicant debate?
What tools do they use in a swamp? Might make for a good nickname for whinerdiceman.
Posted by: Crud | January 24, 2008 11:47 PM
dt, thanks for the quote from Weepy John Boner. When I think about the losers running our party, it makes me feel good to see what a wretched bunch run the other side.
Posted by: weinerdog43 | January 25, 2008 12:00 AM
They're ignoring Ron Paul, but I still consider him the best candidate = the Trojan Horse for America.
Posted by: Giraffe | January 25, 2008 2:47 AM
Blogging on the debate and we still have to suffer the comments of religious bigots from anti-Mormons. You people need to grow up.
Posted by: J Scott | January 25, 2008 8:56 AM
J Scott--Lighten up!
Posted by: dt | January 25, 2008 2:55 PM
For Ron Paul: How do you plan on changing the economy around and lower our debt?
Posted by: Heather Sanger | January 30, 2008 8:33 PM