by Ashley Wiehle
EDWARDSVILLE, Ill.—In promoting his wife’s candidacy for more than an hour at a university campus today, former President Bill Clinton touched on a dozen ideas but didn’t mention one subject—the rival candidacy of Barack Obama.
Clinton was in the Metro East area of Illinois acting once again as the surrogate in chief for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign on a visit aimed at drawing support not only for Illinois’ Feb. 5 primary but also for one just across the river in neighboring Missouri on the same “Super Tuesday” date, all the while trying to get free publicity in the St. Louis media market.
Speaking in a crowded auditorium at Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville, packed largely with college students who awaited entry in the morning cold, the former president didn’t bring up Obama, the first-term Illinois Democrat and favorite son contender, or address the departure of former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina from the Democratic presidential race.
Clinton has come under fire in recent weeks for his sharp oratory in taking on Obama—something that has prompted concern among some leading Democrats and was reportedly a factor in the decision of Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) to back Obama over his wife, a New York senator and former first lady who also happens to be a Chicago native who grew up in suburban Park Ridge.
Clinton thanked Southern Illinois voters for the support they “gave me way back in 1992 in the Democratic primary, when about 70 percent of the people in this part of your state gave me a chance to go on and serve.” Clinton won 65 percent of the vote outside the Chicago area that year in a contest that included former Sen. Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts and former Gov. Jerry Brown of California.
“I’m also very grateful that so many people from Illinois have supported Hillary and stayed with her and recognized her extraordinary service,” the former president said.
Clinton touted his wife’s ideas on health care, the environment, the nation’s housing crisis, college tuition and the Iraq war, while also seeking to promote her as someone who could end partisan fighting in Washington—something Republicans readily dispute.
"We have a challenge around the world," Clinton said. "Here's why I think you should all support Hillary: She says America is yearning to get beyond partisan fights of the last seven years and go back to working on big things together. The way to achieve national unity is to involve people in working together toward big goals."
Clinton also said his wife’s proposals for alternative energy sources and green-friendly construction research could create jobs in rural farm areas of Southern Illinois through the promotion of ethanol and biodiesel.
"If you look around the world at the rich countries that have grown in this decade, that have rising income and no increase in inequality, they all have one thing in common: Every single one of them made a serious commitment to a clean, efficient, independent energy future," Clinton said.
"Think about where we are in southern Illinois. It is the only thing we could do that would create jobs in every rural area, every small town, every suburb and every big city in America."
One student who attended the event, SIUE Sophomore Sarah Bailey, said the visit by Clinton has created some indecision on who she will vote for on Tuesday.
"I was pretty sure that I would vote for Obama, but now I'm not so sure," Bailey said. “I always thought that she was more of a polarizing figure and didn't realize how she brought people together."



Comments
Sarah Bailey you had it right the first time.
Posted by: Edward Lynch | January 30, 2008 3:56 PM
I second that!
Posted by: Erin | January 30, 2008 4:26 PM
Sarah Bailey is absolutely correct in changing her mind. I'm voting for Hillary as I know she looks for common ground. I voted for Obama for my senator and need him to be my senator NOT my president.
Posted by: Sharon Marcucci | January 30, 2008 4:27 PM
Agree with Edward, stick with Obama. Do not let Slick Willy change your opinion on Obama. Hiiary and bringing people together should not be used in the same sentance.
Posted by: Alex | January 30, 2008 4:31 PM
You are right she is a very polarizing person. If you think the last 8 years were bad because Democrats hated Bush and for the most part the country is divided...well, if Billary is elected it will be another 4-8 years of a divided U.S.A. The one difference would be that there would a Democrat in office.
Posted by: Doug | January 30, 2008 4:32 PM
And Edward Lynch is right! Sarah Bailey has it right the first time. Smell the coffee hun.
Posted by: seyi | January 30, 2008 4:34 PM
Sarah Bailey, don't let the former president's aura cause you to let your guard down. What the clintons say actually really means the opposite. Thats just how the clinton machine works.
Posted by: John Kyriacou | January 30, 2008 4:34 PM
The tremendous amount of respect I had for Bill Clinton has all but vanished over the past few weeks. As a Democrat, I'm Obama or bust. There's no way I'm voting for the Clintons in November.
Posted by: zeke | January 30, 2008 4:36 PM
Hillary rocks!
Posted by: qster | January 30, 2008 4:44 PM
I dont trust these clintons--sometimes they are thuggish, angels,happy, thugs, liars (planting questions), polite--they will do anything--I hear hillary will be crying again...I just switched from Edwards to Barack--n roll!!!
Posted by: Chris | January 30, 2008 4:49 PM
Sarah,you definitelt had it right the first time.Take sometime and listen to one of Baracks most recent speeches and see the reaction of people at his gatherings.It will help for you to remain committed to voting for the man that can actually make life better for us.
Posted by: Paul Dyal | January 30, 2008 5:01 PM
He talks about Obama, the media complains; he doesn't talk about Obama, the media complains. The man will never be able to make the media happy. He fights for his wife, they say he's being mean; if he didn't fight for his wife, they'd say what kind of a man doesn't fight for his wife? There's nothing he can do to make the media happy. I guess eight years of the greatest prosperity in our history wasn't enough.
Posted by: Paul | January 30, 2008 5:05 PM
Sarah -- Bill had 2 terms in office, back in the 1990's, the century before this one. He did some good things and he did some really dumb things, and not all his policies panned out, as time has proven. Do you really want to go back, so the Clintons can try to pick up the pieces they left behind? Or, is it really time for change -- a cleaning of house and new kind of politics? I go for the latter, which is why I'm sticking with Obama. My demographic is this: I'm over 50, female, and grew up in Hillary's home town. And I still can't find it in my heart to support the hometown girl.
Posted by: justathought | January 30, 2008 5:23 PM
I too regarded Hillary in a negative light. In fact I never voted for Bill. I was a Republican at the time.
As a New Yorker I was first surprised by Hillary's real desire to reach out across the aisle. So I went for strongly disliking her to supporting her. As a die heart capitalist I now see that we need more balance. The invisible hand does not work, we need more balance. She will fight to have it be once again a meritocracy.
Posted by: Monica Graham | January 30, 2008 5:24 PM
The problem with the Clinton campaign in the general election is two fold. One it will galvanize the Republicans and two it will fracture the Democrats. How can you win with that??
Posted by: tom | January 30, 2008 5:26 PM
I voted for Clinton twice in the 90's, and the country was ran well. Times have changed though, and the country needs to be united. Obama is the only candidate who can unite and bring change in these troubled times.
You were right the first time Sarah Bailey.
Posted by: Eric | January 30, 2008 5:26 PM
I read on Yahoo.com where Obama has attacked Hillary Clinton in a speech in Denver. Hope the Clintons don't take the bait again.
It was Obama who instigated the racial issue in S. Carolina when he misrepresented her comments about Martin Luther King, Jr. Hillary did not give LBJ more credit for the civil rights movement than MLK but that's what Obama led his supporters to believe.
I think experience does matter, despite what the Kennedys have said. Hillary has both experience and ideas. My vote goes for the one who has been an advocate for women and families for 35 years. That's Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: DK Medlin | January 30, 2008 5:30 PM
Sarah, think carefully about this. Of course Bill Clinton wants to convince you that Hillary can bring people together---he's trying to make his wife seems more like Obama, who has more years in elected office than his wife, and who truly does have a gift for getting folks of all ideologies to work together on gettings bills created and passed.
Do some research into Obama's eight years in the Illinois State Senate and the work he's done in the U.S. Senate. He has an imprssive history of getting contentious legislation passed. My understanding is that Hillary's record in the U.S. Senate is full of safe, unsubstantial pieces of legislation. Check into the Clintons' history of using dirty, lowball tactics in combatting opponents. And consider what they've done recently to try to discredit a member of their own party. They are NOT uniters.
Finally: Bill Clinton is a champion charmer and smooth talker; and you'd be wise to take anything he says with a huge grain of salt.
Posted by: ElizabethButler | January 30, 2008 5:31 PM
Vote Hillary
Posted by: Pradeep | January 30, 2008 5:33 PM
Oh Sarah! Don't be tempted - remember Adam and Eve - don't be Eve - run! The HillBill's are the master spinmeisters of all time! Talk to any elders in your family about the run in 92 when Hill didn't have time to stay and home and bake cookies - she knew what was good for you - do you really want another 4 to 8 of HillBill? Are we really sure who will be the pres and who will be the 1st spouse? oh, please! As much as Barack is still wet behind the ears politically, he has a way of bringing people to him. Yes, Camelot!
Posted by: fire | January 30, 2008 5:40 PM
Go Hillary! The American people are waiting for the kind of experience, vision and passion you have. Change is good but it has to have substance with a touch of reality; oratories are good, but we also should put people who can deliver based on knowledge and experience.
Posted by: Normita | January 30, 2008 5:46 PM
When the Clintons were in the White House, I saw nothing polarizing about the State of the Union. America experienced one of the best economic periods with the implementation of the internet and .com. We were not at war and were held in high esteem by the majority of the global community. The only obstacle in Washington D.C. was a Republican Congress that tried to sabotage anything done for middle America. It might just be that Hillary with her first hand view of the administration and two terms as an elected senator can begin to clean up the mess that 8 years of Republican domination has imposed on Washington, the nation and the world. Obama needs to serve out his FIRST term as Senator. It makes a person wonder if Obama's unfulfilled commitment as junior senator was just a ploy leading toward the bigger prize, the White House? For all his oratory skills, he has not presented concrete evidence of the ability to bring about change or to be decisive. Please view his voting record as junior senator at http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
Actions speak louder than words - didn't your parents ever tell you that?
Obama in 2012 or 2016 depending on Hillary's performance as the First Female President of the U.S.
Posted by: the truth | January 30, 2008 5:54 PM
Obama needs to answer questions about how he and that crook Rezko purchased property, side by side on the same date in 2005, and how he bought some of the land from Ms. Rezko. No ethics nor shame.
Posted by: bill jenkins | January 30, 2008 6:06 PM
Obama is the biggest liar there IS!!!!!! He is a lot of hot air. No specifics because he changes job so much. # years here, 2 years there, real solid (NOT)!
Posted by: Bonnie S. | January 30, 2008 6:07 PM
Sarah, you absolutely had it right the first time. They don't call him slick Willie for nothing. Barack Obama is a good man, a man with a vision and a born leader. Not only will the U.S. benefit from Obama in the White House, I believe sincerely that the world will as well.
Posted by: Joan | January 30, 2008 6:17 PM
I truly believe that Hillary would be a better President than Obama. Obama is just a great Orator,in my opinion, Obama is not presidential material. I agree that he knows how to get people all emotional and excited, but he's not clear on how he is going to accomplish his goals of bringing the country together and turning this country around.
I want someone who preaches more than just Hope,because just saying I have a Hope alone is not going to do it, America need who has the experience to act now, not beautiful and/or elegant words that sounds good to the ear, but someone who have a better chance through years of experience of bringing that Hope to reality, anyone can preach I have a Hope, and can talk a very good game, but I'm afraid as President, Obama will not be able to deliver, he's a freshmen Senator, Obama needs more time doing this job very well first, and then I believe he would be ready to be President in another four years.
I'm also a college educated African American Male saying this, I'm not going to vote for someone just on gender, race, age, or who can speak very well, preach Hope and Change,or have an appealing up-lifting message, but on the person who I believe has the experience and better chance of starting to get the job done from "Day One", So far, I'm very convinced that Hillary meets that thershold, over Obama who's just a great and brillant Orator that can preach Hope and change in order to get people all excited and emotional to vote for him.
Say what you will about Hillary, she is the most experienced and qualified Presidtial Candidate currently working in government who able to tackle and overturn America's immediate and long-term challenges. Please don't let the media sway you into voting for a person just because he or she is gifted in preaching hope and change, by getting you all excited causing great emotion, but first, sttep back and objectively, and criticly anaylize his or her campaign issues and amke a judgement how they would affect you in the long-term and determine what in it for you that will help change your everyday life for the better, then vote for that person who you believe would have a better chance of meeting that theshold and your needs.
Posted by: Darrell | January 30, 2008 6:25 PM
"He (Obama) has an imprssive history of getting contentious legislation passed."
Posted by: ElizabethButler | January 30, 2008 5:31 PM
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Listen, Sarah Bailey, don't allow poeple like Elizabeth to use impressive rhetoric to offset the truth. You want the truth about Obama or Clinton's voting record, go to http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490
Oratory competence do not guarantee a competent decision-maker. Obama's voting record has too many "NV" (No Vote) to show any decisive responses on MAJOR issues such as foregn policy, the budget, abortion, health care. Maybe it was that Obama was too busy going after the bigger prize, the White House.
Each person voting for Obama or Clinton needs to check the site mentioned above before declaring your allegiance. An informed constituency can avoid half-truths and the lies.
Posted by: the truth | January 30, 2008 6:29 PM
Will somebody please explain to me how Hillary has 35 years of experience? Last time I checked she has only seven years experience in the Senate, and that is the only elected office she has ever held. Does her time as First Lady and Gov's wife really count as experience?!? Or her time at Rose Law Firm?!? I'm not sure this translates to 35 years!
I'll admit that Obama has no leadership experience either, but at least he has held elected office for more than a decade.
So the way I see it is that since neither have the requisite experience for the job that we have to look at their character and judgement... and seeing how Hillary married a known womanizer and she never stood up for herself, even when his very public affairs brought an impeachment against him, tells me that she either has poor judgement or that her political self-interest drove her to stay with a cheating husband because she could ride his coat-tails to a Senate seat (in a state that she never lived in) and an eventual Presidential bid.
I can't wait for a woman to be elected President... but I want one that demonstrates strength and character that my daughters can be proud of... and that's not Hillary.
On this basis, I will be voting for Barack Obama come Tuesday.
Posted by: Bruce | January 30, 2008 6:43 PM
I wish people would read, "Unlimited Access" written by Gary Aldrich before voting for Hillary. This book is in your local library, ready to be checked-out.
If you still vote for Hillary after reading this book then you're a true socialist through and through.
Posted by: GingerGuy | January 30, 2008 6:44 PM
Obama is a good salesman. I think we already bought from a car salesman with Bush. The guy votes present 133 times in the Illinois State Senate present, that is not leadership it is just more political tricks. I mean when the vote for porn shops next to schools he voted present. I want a leader someone that votes no for porn shops next to schools
Posted by: Lon Wells | January 30, 2008 6:57 PM
in response to the truth
did you ever stop to consider that Bill came into office after Reagan and Bush who put the wheels in motion for our upturn in the economy?
Check your history books - Reagan believed in a small government - not socialism which is Hillary's stance.
I too have the same question of others - where does Hillary get 35 years of experience? that would equate to her entire adult life after college! Is she maybe saying 35 years experience being married to Master Spinmeister?
Posted by: fire | January 30, 2008 7:17 PM
Everyone calls Hillary a divisive character.
What folks don't realize is that once this election is over, the religious/neocon right will be so put down that it will be 20 years before they get back anywhere.
The battle for the minds of the 80% who don't pay much attention to politics was lost by the Bush Administration's tactics over the last 8 years. What folks don't understand is that republican sting isn't what it used to be anymore. The pundits can wail all they want as she puts the country back together but no one is going to listen.
It ain't politics as usual anymore.
Besides, wouldn't it be nice to have those two in power in an environment where they can actually get something done? If that environment existed back in 1992, trust me, the world would be a different place right now.
Posted by: Roz Baker | January 30, 2008 7:21 PM
RE: Clinton said. "Here's why I think you should all support Hillary: She says America is yearning to get beyond partisan fights of the last seven years and go back to working on big things together. The way to achieve national unity is to involve people in working together toward big goals."
Ok Bill, but that was Obama's message - not Hillary's. That is what Hillary's message is NOW, but it wasn't before - so how can you trust that to be legitimate when she has been very partisan and has said many partisan things throughout this campaign? It might convince people who haven't looked into things themselves - but it is unsincere for those who know this was not the original message and has been taken from Obama.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 30, 2008 7:31 PM
RE: Clinton said. "Here's why I think you should all support Hillary: She says America is yearning to get beyond partisan fights of the last seven years and go back to working on big things together. The way to achieve national unity is to involve people in working together toward big goals."
Ok Bill, but that was Obama's message - not Hillary's. That is what Hillary's message is NOW, but it wasn't before - so how can you trust that to be legitimate when she has been very partisan and has said many partisan things throughout this campaign? It might convince people who haven't looked into things themselves - but it is unsincere for those who know this was not the original message and has been taken from Obama.
Posted by: Jay | January 30, 2008 7:33 PM
I am appalled at how naive Americans are in believing Bill Clinton, --that consummate, calculating politician, --and falling for his tactics again. I am also shocked at how many people will vote for Hillary just because she is a woman. Women keep insisting they are smart and competitive, --then they turn around and say, "I'm voting for Hillary because we need a woman in the White house." How silly and immature!!! Let's wait until a worthy candidate comes forward, not a conniving game-player. I can wait... Besides, she does NOT have 35 years' experience. Someone should call her on this. ..Unless she is counting her behind-the-scenes role in Whitewater; or hiding documents in the White House closet (she claimed she didn't know they were there....), or the travel staff bookings and firings; or Vince Edwards; or her role and financial backing of Media.Matters, or her role in the unbalanced China import business, and her Chinese campaign supporters... Remember, America couldn't have cared less about Bill's affair with Monica. What we DO care about is that he lied under oath to save his face, and did he really have to have sex in the Oval office??? Yuk. We need someone to return respect to that office.
Posted by: lori | January 30, 2008 7:33 PM
What hippocrats! After the convention they will sing each others prasises. Give me a good monarchy anytime!
Posted by: Terry | January 30, 2008 7:39 PM
"She says America is yearning to get beyond partisan fights of the last seven years" Yet she says, "I will take on the Republican attack machine.." in another sentence. How is that uniting? How is that getting beyond partisan fights? The Clinton's fail at understanding that half of America consists of Republicans. HRC continues to vilify half of the country just because they don't agree with a different point of view. HRC doesn't want to unify Americans she only wants to fight the other half of this country. She only serves to mobilize the other half of this great country against us. That my friends is what HRC will bring - 4 to 8 years of continued partisan bickering, filibustering mess. We are ready for real change, we know who will bring that - Barrack Obama.
Posted by: CZLONG | January 30, 2008 7:41 PM
Hey folks, it's a free country, last time I checked although Georgie Porgie did everything he could to mess that up. Vote for who you want to and use your head. ANYONE is better than "W". All politicians are divided. Don't kid yourself. I like Hillary and I am voting for her. If Barack gets the nomination at the DNC, I will vote for him in November.
Posted by: Timothy J Steigerwald | January 30, 2008 7:58 PM
did you ever stop to consider that Bill came into office after Reagan and Bush who put the wheels in motion for our upturn in the economy?
Check your history book
Posted by: fire | January 30, 2008 7:17 PM
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In response to fire.
Fortunately, there are sites that really explain the Bush SR. years in the White House and the first Persian Gulf War and the motives, which were not to liberate Kuwait, but to safeguard the oil assets of the Bush family in the Gulf. Keep in mind that Bush Sr. was charged as a war criminal by The Hague for the slaughter of Iraqis during the first Persian Gulf War. Terrorism on our soil from the Middle East was a result of that war (1993 World Trade Center). "The perpetrators of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing used a manual written by the CIA for the mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan on how to make explosives." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing.
READ YOUR HISTORY correctly: "Despite unprecedented popularity from this military and diplomatic triumph, Bush was unable to withstand discontent at home from a faltering economy, rising violence in inner cities, and continued high deficit spending. In 1992 he lost his bid for reelection to Democrat William Clinton."*
*http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/gb41.html
Therefore, Clinton saved our economy and left office with our country realizing an economy of 200 billion dollar + surplus.
Another site for you to visit and READ AND BE INFORMED.
http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=127&subsecid=177&contentid=252964
Posted by: the truth | January 30, 2008 8:20 PM
Darrell...I read you comment and I must say VERY WELL PUT INTO WORDS.
Obama hasn't convince me in any way why I should vote for him. I keep hearing him mention CHANGE and HOPE...WELL WHAT ABOUT IT? I have read every candidate's issue on various topics and like it or not...I believe that Hillary Clinton will do what she promise if she becomes president. I am an an educated African-American woman and I am not going to vote for someone just because he will be the "First African-American President". I don't care about that...the African-Americans need to figure out who is the best candidate for the job and not by the color of their skin. (Have you not forgotten about the Cook County Board President election people? Stroger never mentioned his plan either and look what is happening now that he is in office...layoffs, jobcuts, and trying to increase county taxes)Sure it would make history if Obama become President but, is he qualified to handle the position and do what is right for the fellow citizens of the United States?
Whether Obama like it or not...Hillary WILL be his running mate. How can we have a man like Obama be President if he can't put the pettiness aside and talk about the issues and strategies he plan to do once he become President without the the words CHANGE or HOPE.
Hillary got my vote because I am confident she will deliver what she promise.
Posted by: YaVaughn | January 30, 2008 8:28 PM
Bill Clinton is not just the spouse of a Presidential candidate,but he is the former president of this country. He should act as senior states man not as Bull Clinton. I hope the Americans would have the wisdom to recognize this power hungry couple and save this nation from the clutches of the dynasty
Posted by: Jopazha | January 30, 2008 8:29 PM
Hey... "the truth" (Yeah, your post is truthy alright.)
Hillary's got more No Votes than Obama:
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463
Nice try. Anyone campaigning for president misses votes. Smearing Obama like you are without acknowledging the TRUTH makes you a perfect Hillary supporter. You don't care about the truth. Or you're a Republican, because anyone with any sense can see that HRC can't beat McCain. No one BUT core Democrats like her! Can't you see that??? She. Can't. Win.
So you obviously want a Republican. Or you're just daft.
By the way, how did Hillary vote on that Bankruptcy bill way back in 2005? Oh, that's right, she didn't vote. Was she already running for president?
Posted by: Truthy | January 30, 2008 8:32 PM
obama needs to grow up & stop acting like petulant kid.he will not be president. he cannot beat mccain
Posted by: jj | January 30, 2008 8:45 PM
Hillary's got more No Votes than Obama:
Posted by: Truthy | January 30, 2008 8:32 PM
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Hey truthy,
Are you for real? Hillary has been in the Senate for 7 years and Obama has been in the Senate for 3 years, so try counting correctly comparing them from January 2005 until now. Fair is fair - right, truthy.
I would say in most votes, the two were equal. But the question is "who is leading who?"
Sorry to burst your bubble, but your analysis was "uncouthy, truthy."
Posted by: the truth | January 30, 2008 8:59 PM
Bill Clinton is awesome, just amazing. This man took a serious recession created by Bush Sr. and turned it into a 3 trillion dollar surplus. When Bill Clinton speaks, people listen for a reason. Bill knew what to do to fix the mess the stupid greedy Republicans and Bush family left us in, just as Hillary will too as our President. As far as Bill sticking up for Hillary and putting ego head Obama in his place, isn't that what any man should and would do for his woman? isn't that what anyone would do for the candidate they believe in? How about every time Michelle Obama or one of Obama's many militant leaders supporting him show their support and dislike for the Clintons we hold them to the same standard then? fair is fair. Hillary all the way!
Posted by: Hillary for REAL Change | January 30, 2008 9:17 PM
You know what, while we sleep with old polotics and history China already overtook the world. When we add Clinton and Mccain India will do it. But, if we give obama a chance there might be at least a change. Above all trust in America.
Posted by: Wasyihun Fanta | January 30, 2008 9:40 PM
obama needs to grow up & stop acting like petulant kid.he will not be president. he cannot beat mccain
Posted by: jj | January 30, 2008 8:45 PM
Either of the Democratic candidates will beat McCain because, honestly, do you want a 72 year old President deciding the fate of the nation? Too many brain cells have gone kaput, and the intransigence of McCain is more frightening than that of GWB. Those years as a POW may have affected his judgment. Too much anger and vengeance in his speeches.
Posted by: the truth | January 30, 2008 9:49 PM
Huh??? we have more dumb people than I thought. QUESTION is why did obama vote PRESENT than answering yes or no. Saying No is not a bad thing. People are just plain stupid.
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Hey... "the truth" (Yeah, your post is truthy alright.)
Hillary's got more No Votes than Obama:
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463
Nice try. Anyone campaigning for president misses votes. Smearing Obama like you are without acknowledging the TRUTH makes you a perfect Hillary supporter. You don't care about the truth. Or you're a Republican, because anyone with any sense can see that HRC can't beat McCain. No one BUT core Democrats like her! Can't you see that??? She. Can't. Win.
So you obviously want a Republican. Or you're just daft.
By the way, how did Hillary vote on that Bankruptcy bill way back in 2005? Oh, that's right, she didn't vote. Was she already running for president?
Posted by: Truthy | January 30, 2008 8:32 PM
Posted by: sam | January 30, 2008 9:52 PM
"Will somebody please explain to me how Hillary has 35 years of experience? Last time I checked she has only seven years experience in the Senate, and that is the only elected office she has ever held. Does her time as First Lady and Gov's wife really count as experience?!? Or her time at Rose Law Firm?!? I'm not sure this translates to 35 years!"
Bruce, you deserve some kind of recognition for writing the above statement. Every time I hear Clinton speak about her experience advantage, I wonder the same thing. And as you mentioned, in reality, Clinton does not hold an advantage over Obama in total years as an elected official. IN the US Senate, yes. But overall? Not a chance.
Whomever you vote for, please be as well informed as possible; this goes for everyone from Presidential candidates to judges.
Posted by: nt | January 30, 2008 10:01 PM
SARAH!!!! Vote for Hillary. When she ran for Senator in NY, everyone said she'd never win, she might get NYC but that upstate NY was way too conservative. She won her first election with 55% of the vote after traveling to every county in NY. She won her second term with 67% of the vote carrying 21 of the 23 counties George Bush carried in 2004, because she worked to bring people together and get things done for NY. Polarizing is a media hoax. Other Hillary haters call her too compromising at the same time. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by: nycvoter | January 30, 2008 10:40 PM
Hillary Clinton is brilliant, articulate and tough. What more could anyone ask for in a president. Obama is a smart young man who gives a mean stump speech but his oratory skills have not served him as well in any of the debates or in one on one interviews. The visionary sounding theme of "Hope and Change" are superficially very appealing in these very trying times. Aren't all new presidential campaigns based on based on change and the hope for a better future? Essentially, wasn't George Bush running a campaign for "Hope and Change" during his first run at the presidency? As nice as Mr. Obama seems, I assume he would be a lamb in the lions den of Washington. Holding hands and singing campfire songs sadly won't move the mountains the world needs moved. Mr. Obama would make a much better vice president at this time. Yeah, I might be living in a fantasy myself dreaming of a Clinton/Obama team but just think of the message that would send to America and the rest of the world electing a woman and an African American to the highest office in the world. Both Clinton and Obama represent the best from both parties.
I understand why Republicans dislike and fear Bill Clinton. He was a very successful president (eliminated deficit, great economic prosperity and no war during his 2 terms) and yes, he had an affair (and unlike President Kennedy, Clinton got caught). Why are there more than a few democrats who despise Bill Clinton and by association, Hillary?
Posted by: Jeff | January 30, 2008 11:03 PM
Hillary for President. Obama for Vice-President. Eight years will give Obama experience he can run with . . .
On the other side, McCain for President. Huckabee for Vice-President. If this happens, it would be the election of the Century!
I wouldn't know who to vote for. I like Hillary a lot but I can't vote against a war hero and a preacher? That would be hard. . .but if either wins...America wins!
Posted by: Lou | January 30, 2008 11:22 PM
When the Clintons were in the White House, I saw nothing polarizing about the State of the Union. America experienced one of the best economic periods with the implementation of the internet and .com. We were not at war and were held in high esteem by the majority of the global community. The only obstacle in Washington D.C. was a Republican Congress that tried to sabotage anything done for middle America. It might just be that Hillary with her first hand view of the administration and two terms as an elected senator can begin to clean up the mess that 8 years of Republican domination has imposed on Washington, the nation and the world.
Very well said - Obama has no experience and McCain has had 30+ years to get the job done. Hillary deserves a chance. After what she has been through Billy will be relegated to duties that can only make America and her presidency better.
Posted by: voice of reason | January 30, 2008 11:44 PM
You call him Slick Willy but he balanced the budget and gave this country a surplus, respected in the world. That was 8 years ago whom Obama is chastising as part of the past. Barack's future is quite dangerous like his past, for he has not proven himself yet as a Senator, now he aiming to be President of the Free World. John Edwards is more qualified than Obama but he has no money to pursue the Presidency. Obama is all oratory and rhetorics, nice to hear but scary and difficult to comprehend the true meaning of audacity of hope.
Posted by: Edwin G | January 31, 2008 1:17 AM
I would still trust people who have proved they can turn around the US economy and turn huge budget deficits into surplus budgets. Bill Clinton really cleaned up the mess that Senior bush left behind. We will need a Clinton in the white house again this time around to clean up George W Bush's messes. Obama is a kid, who only can utter a few words to excite people, but cannot really deliver results to American people.
There is no substance in what OBAMA talks about in his Presidential Campaign. Other than quick quotes and sound bytes, he does not have much to offer. He is a liberal and that is why Ted Kennedy endorsed him.
He is not a leader, neither does he have a strong track record at taking a strong position on critical issues that affect this country and its middle class. Just because he opposed the Iraq war in the beginning, does not qualify him to be future "President of United States"
And finally, Mr. Obama should not be attacking Hillary Clinton's character and trustworthiness. It was clear to me he is not a gentleman judging from his mannersims during the Presidents 'State of the Union' address this week.
Mr Obama should remember that Mr. Clinton did a very fine job for the country in the 90's that no Republican president including Reagan were able to do. Yet, Mr. Obama has not acknowledged that and has instead praised Reagan.
Mr. Obama has to go back to the Senate and get some experience, or try to become the Governor of Illinois or other state becoming trying to campaign to be a "President".
So, Mr. obama, let us not kid the American people, you need to grow up before trying to become President of the greatest country on earth. You just don;t have what it takes to be a president.
Posted by: sam chan | January 31, 2008 1:21 AM
Hillary will make a great president. And we will have Bill Clinton's experience as former president. Good team for our nation in its most dangerous times. By the way, someone used Obama's campaign for president as an excuse for voting present 133. This happenened when he represented the state of Illinois, not US Senate
Posted by: connie | January 31, 2008 3:57 AM
what's starting to disturb me is the self-righteousness and air of moral superiority that is starting to emanate from the obama faithful. that needs to be nipped in the bud. it's the sort of thing that loses elections. The Clintons served this country well. Any Democrat who supports Hillary Clinton is casting a quality vote for a historic change. Senator Obama doesn't have the market cornered on that.
Posted by: Northside sox fan | January 31, 2008 4:11 AM
35 years experience? that sounds very respectable. So let's see. first investigating Watergate for the republicans. Yes my friends, for the perpetrator as that time hillary happened to wear that coat.
next carter appoints her as payback for bill's help in his campaign. you heard right. reward of position for bill's services. (Sounds familiar? c'mon. you must be dreaming a fairy tale.) in that office hillary was tasked with overseeing a congress appointed non-profit outfit. remember, this was congress spending. by the time she departed she raised expenses fourfold. for things like preparing law for changing sex paid by medicare. ok, she tried first and failed. we all make mistakes. next when bill is president and wants some quiet from a better half who has a strong dislike for baking cookies he passes him a task she lives for she says: the health bill. nothing could be easier, thinks bill. we have a democratic congress and senate. but compromise is not hillary's strength. the more the other party may wish to compromise from a strong standing point, the more hillary is taking an imperial pose - "now or never." Think about it. An office that she could finally dissasociate from her being first lady and just concentrating on the task. she could have proven herself and have a true record that finally she can do things on her on merit. well, she failed and we all know it. not being able compromise from a position of power is a serious problem for anyone claiming to reach over the ailes to bring about unity - man or woman. but that is a serious character problem when you ask your spouse for a position to fill on your own merit and then when in that position you use the clout of your spouse to try to shore up your position. especially if you want to run on that record for the highest office of a country. again, that's a character problem for man or woman alike.
and now some evidence, decide of they are facts coloring your judgement:
dick morris, former clinton advisor (who may have some sour grape problem with bill) so take it with a grain of salt:
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/answers2/frontend.php/question?qid=20071129110514AAoyiYr
next, something more recent and eminently more serious for a lady who ran for senate WHILE being first lady, which would be a very strong moral prerogative. again, I ask you to approach this with an open mind and try not prejudge her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw (PART 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I (PART 2)
now let it linger a while before you decide who do you want to vote out.
Posted by: k lind | January 31, 2008 4:49 AM
Family Dynasties! The Kennedies,the Bushes, and now the Clintons. Have we forgotten that since 1776 we are independent of Monarchs, and their successors. Get out of this shackles America.
Posted by: Ash | January 31, 2008 9:18 AM
What has Senator barack Obama done for his constituents in Illinois, except to side with convicted Antoin "Tony" Rezko to engage in shday housing deals.
Read the Chicago Tribune and tell me why Barack Obama should not be tried with Rezko, since he was Rezko's chief lobbyist for government funds.
Smell the coffee!
"polarizing person"
Posted by: Orikinla Osinachi | January 31, 2008 9:34 AM
Clinton and Obama need to join forces.
I've been watching the election results, surveys and debates. Republicans don't care that McCain isn't the ideal conservative candidate. Conservatives voted for him anyway. A survey from Florida showed they voted for him because he's the most electable. Republicans want to win the White House, because they know that there's more at stake than just the oval office...supreme court appointments, attorney general...etc.
Clinton or Obama, IMO, would fair very well against McCain if either of them went toe to toe on the issues and their records. Unfortunately, this race is not about the issues, it's about power and the Republicans want it more than they want an ideal candidate. And are willing to do anything to get it...even elect a candidate who doesn’t fit in line with their ideals and policies. That's why so many Republican heavies are endorsing McCain over more conservative candidates.
If the democrats hope to win the general election against the full court press of the Republican party, Clinton and Obama need to put their petty squabbles aside and join forces.
If Clinton is the nominee there will be a large percentage of the democratic base who won't vote in the general election; end result - Republicans win.
If Obama is the nominee there will be a large percentage of democrats who either won't vote or will vote Republican; end result - Republicans win.
Obama and Clinton combining forces is the best opportunity for the Democrats to take back the White House. Otherwise we're going to have at least another four years of lies, lies and more lies.
Posted by: KeepHopeAlive | January 31, 2008 9:39 AM
As a native New Yorker, I remember when Hillary came upstate to explain why she was a better pick than her opponent, Rick Lazio. What could be better? Well educated, former First Lady, and she wasn't from Long Island! Yes! Wait, where'd she go? Oh, that's right; turn's out she just wanted to live in NYC. Makes sense. I hear Rockefeller Center has some great ice skating. Hey Hill, the schools, the economy, and the environemnt in upstate NY are all thriving thanks to your... er, they're not? Never mind. Hope the Hamptons are fun.
Bottom line: Hillary is an opportunist who perpetuates the kind of political skullduggery most of us are sick of. She'll say what she has to win, but after she gets what she wants, she'll go back to Park Ave (or the White House) and enjoy the millions she and Prince Billy have raked in post-90's.
Posted by: Excelsior | January 31, 2008 1:39 PM
It will be a BIG mistake for American people to elect Obama to the white house. Obama is all hpye and hot air. That guy is a fraud. He doesn't have any substance. He screams about HOPE and CHANGE. But do we really expect a person who started his politcal life on special interests' money and entangled himself with an indicted slum landlord to bring CHANGE and HOPE? Come on, get real American people!
Posted by: Sharpeye | January 31, 2008 2:01 PM
No Third Term!!
Posted by: boonbee | January 31, 2008 11:28 PM
This must be Clintion's coherts, but if you want the US to prosper.... do not vote for Clinton.
If you continue to stay on course with Clinton, you side with the Devil!
Posted by: Sylvia | May 6, 2008 12:06 AM
We need someone that is going to take care of our counrty and get this economy in shape!
Hillary will do this shes a fighter and she is isnt just saying a bunch of crap to get votes!
Politics is like christainaity theres a bunch of fake people trying to be sell you something you dont want!
We want real and we want change and Hillary WILL do this!
Tammie W
Posted by: TAMMIE | May 15, 2008 8:36 PM