by Jason George
DES MOINES â It's a tale of two HQs.
In one corner â literally, the corner of 6th and Locust streets â you have the downtown headquarters of Gov. Mike Huckabee, the Republican frontrunner who leads here in Iowa, according to nearly every recent poll. Next door, you have the HQ of Rep. Ron Paul, who lags in those same polls, usually in 4th or 5th place.
Based on those rankings, you might guess that Huckabee's main Iowa office space and Des Moines presence would dwarf that of Paul's, but you'd be wrong. In fact, it's Paul's place that continues to grow and spread, looking for more space and larger areas to accommodate the waves of volunteers that arrive daily.
Huckabee's operation, in contrast, works out of an area a fourth the size of Paul's, with only a fraction of people as well. Also, while Paul's camp has a 15-person phone bank operating 12 hours a day, Huckabee's office has trouble even answering their phones. On more than one occasion recently this reporter has called Huckabee HQ only to find the telephone line -- the main line that a prospective voter or volunteer could call -- picked up by voicemail or not answered at all.
So what does it all mean?
It all goes to organization and ground game, which Huckabee has struggled with for months, while Paul seems to be build a bit each and everyday.
Does it mean that Paul can beat Huckabee?
Probably not, if you believe the polls, but walking down 6th Street surely gives one pause.
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Comments
It means there's a rEVOLution going on that the media wishes would just go away. Fox and ABC both having forums / debates while excluding Dr. Paul. Won't they feel foolish when he's President?
Posted by: MarkD | January 2, 2008 8:33 AM
Welcome to the Ron Paul rEVOLution.
Posted by: Timothy | January 2, 2008 8:44 AM
There's no way the media's traditional phone polls can be correct. EVERY other metric disagrees with them, making Paul look wildly popular.
Posted by: Matthew | January 2, 2008 8:48 AM
Ofcourse Paul will defeat Huckabee. Paul offers a return to the Constitution and sanity, Huckabee represents more Bushism.
Go figure.
Posted by: tomdawg | January 2, 2008 8:53 AM
Huckabee is fiction made up by the MSM and biased polls...There will be surprises in Iowa if the poll machines are not rigged
Posted by: Mike S | January 2, 2008 8:54 AM
We don't believe the polls. Ron Paul is an anti establishment candidate and the establishment is doing everything it can to play down his popularity. It is a sad day in America when Fox News omits him from the New Hampshire January 6th debate. It is nothing more then the most evil form of propaganda. The corporate fascist control our election process. On the other hand, corrupt Huckabee, supported by Clinton cronies is a media made man.
Posted by: Elaine McKillop | January 2, 2008 8:55 AM
FOX is wrong. Ron Paul will win the day in Iowa.
I am from Iowa. I was on the platform commitee the caucus when Clinton won. I was then voting Democrat.
I will never do that again.
Posted by: CLIFF BASS | January 2, 2008 9:13 AM
It's a very sad day in America when people are not mature enough or educated enough on foreign affairs to think that isolationism is anything other than an exercise in suicide and hands a license for the evil in the world to do as they will to the innocent.
Shame on you for thumbing your noses at what can not be ignored.
Posted by: Chris | January 2, 2008 9:18 AM
Get a preview of Iowa caucus see this Video 100% Win in Kansas City Dec 7th National Caucus Ron Paul won 62.5% Nationally hmmm MSM ignored this too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMCgPsbwJsI
Posted by: stan | January 2, 2008 9:21 AM
We are fooled into believing we live in a democracy, when in fact are governed by corporate fascism. How has it come to this? If RP gets too close to the presidency, I fear for him.
Posted by: Steve M | January 2, 2008 9:23 AM
Landline Polls are not accurate when measuring regional or national support.
You only have to look at the yard signs, bumper stickers, meet-up groups, volunteers, individual contributions, email responses, call in phone polls, straw polls and marches. Throw in two on line radio shows dedicated to just Ron Paul Supporters, a Blimp, huge yard balloons and the old media bias, to see that Ron Paul is clearly the peoples choice. If this were a contest of American Idol who would you call the winner?
Posted by: Roberta Dyer | January 2, 2008 9:24 AM
Forget Ron Paul, one hopes that, absent a Huckabee campaign effort, the media will counter Romney attacks by pointing out how, at Bain Capital, Mr. Romney used offshore corporations (and continues to) in order to avoid U.S. taxation, and he fee-milked acquired businesses before firing workers and taking them into bankruptcy, to amass his great $250,000,000 wealth.
So, when you compare how Mr. Huckabee's visionary FairTax advocacy compares to Romney's interest in the current tax system, it's pretty easy to see who will lead us out of tax slavery - the $265 billion annual tax code compliance costs representing 5 billion wasted hours, annually.
Posted by: Ian | January 2, 2008 9:24 AM
The contest this cycle is really a contest between main stream media, good old boys and the status quo -v- a groundswell grassroots revolution, uncontrolled media sources and some irked folks that are politically savy as well as passionate. Most revolutions require widespread anger rather than 5% of the population being irked... I hope the folks supporting Paul win!
Posted by: Shepard Humphries | January 2, 2008 9:28 AM
Looking forward to a big Ron Paul win in IA.
Posted by: Ryan | January 2, 2008 9:28 AM
This is a a complete fluke. I don't care how many dollars Paul raises, how many volunteers he gathers, or how passionate they are. Ron Paul will not be re-elected in 2012.
Posted by: Fazsha | January 2, 2008 9:29 AM
So, Huckabee cant raise any money and can't even get anyone to answer the phone at his HQ, but he is by far 1st in the polls. Ron Paul has more supporters and more money than he knows what do with, but he is last. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see something is a little fishy here. The rEVOLution is here and it won't be stopped. Fox News is only adding fuel to the fire. At some point, the Paul supporters are no longer going to take the exclusion and ridicule.
Posted by: RomanMaroni | January 2, 2008 9:29 AM
Huckabee is another war-monger bushite clone using the bible to sucker in more bootlicking republicans. This madness has to stop. Vote Ron Paul and take this country back to freedom and sanity and away from the murdering war-mongering haters of freedom and peace.
Posted by: jeff bridges | January 2, 2008 9:29 AM
Some interesting facts:
*I have never voted for a Republican presidential candidate.
*I have never voted in a primary.
*I have never owned a land-line phone and, therefore, I have never been polled.
However...
This year, I am voting in the Republican primary - for Ron Paul.
Hey Fox News, Poll this!
Posted by: Dr. Michael J. McFadden | January 2, 2008 9:30 AM
How can the media's polls be right when they don't even take into account the amount of new voters coming to vote this election. The only way Ron Paul will do poorly in the election is if the electronic voting machines are rigged.
Besides that, I've personally donated about $2100.00 to the Ron Paul campaign. Something I've never done ever... But this waranted the donation due to the message of liberty, freedom and individual independence.
The revolution will NOT be televised by the mainstream, because if they were to televise it, they would be televising their own demise.
Posted by: Chris Distasio | January 2, 2008 9:30 AM
Huckabee is another war-monger bushite clone using the bible to sucker in more bootlicking republicans. This madness has to stop. Vote Ron Paul and take this country back to freedom and sanity and away from the murdering war-mongering haters of freedom and peace.
Posted by: jeff bridges | January 2, 2008 9:30 AM
Just so you know, Dr. Paul will be participating both in the January 5th ABC/Facebook debate as well as attending the FOX News brunch forum on January 6th.
Posted by: PhilR8 | January 2, 2008 9:31 AM
The bush media propaganda machine can't stop the will of the people and good ole grassroots campaigning. We will not allow our corrrupt politicians to turn our great country into a fascist dictatorship. No more Bushes and Clintons and no more Obama puppets.
Posted by: jeff bridges | January 2, 2008 9:34 AM
More evidence that Huckabee's support is all fabricated by the liberal media.
Posted by: Brian | January 2, 2008 9:39 AM
I only came to hear Dr. Paul's name just 2 weeks ago. It only took me one day of research to realize he is what America needs. Once citizens begin to see what will happen when they lose their civil rights, it may be too late. Read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I've been disgruntled towards our current government for a few years now; especially congressional pensions. I certainly don't want my tax payment to go to the politicians' upkeep for the rest of their lives; especially if they did a rotten job.
Posted by: Connie Pafford | January 2, 2008 9:40 AM
The MSM gave up reporting on substance a long time ago. Reporting today is the equivalent to gossip. The MSM reporters do not have time to do any real investigation. They sit at their computer stations and churn out gossip. That's why they love polls. No investigation. They can go to a web-site and report about what some people claim other people said about the upcoming political elections.
*NEWSLASH* this just in! I just went to a web-site, and they said that they called people and the people that they called, very important people, all believe that it is important to read my column! If it weren't for me, this would have gone unnoticed. Read my column tomorrow to find out what my sister thinks of Oprah.
Posted by: rhys | January 2, 2008 9:43 AM
Huckabee's a front runner? A true media darling...
Posted by: Tony | January 2, 2008 9:44 AM
Mike Huckabee is a creation of the media and is supported by religious fanatics.
If Ron Paul was given even 5% of the print and air time of the Huckster and Romney, Paul would be running away with the nomination.
I think that whatever number Ron Paul has in the polls, that number will be tripled tomorrow; good for a solid third place. And the corporate media will continue to laugh and ignore Ron Paul's common sense message.
Posted by: William T. Patton, Jr. | January 2, 2008 9:46 AM
Mike Huckabee is a creation of the media and is supported by religious fanatics.
If Ron Paul was given even 5% of the print and air time of the Huckster and Romney, Paul would be running away with the nomination.
I think that whatever number Ron Paul has in the polls, that number will be tripled tomorrow; good for a solid third place. And the corporate media will continue to laugh and ignore Ron Paul's common sense message.
Posted by: William T. Patton, Jr. | January 2, 2008 9:48 AM
Mike Huckabee is a creation of the media and is supported by religious fanatics.
If Ron Paul was given even 5% of the print and air time of the Huckster and Romney, Paul would be running away with the nomination.
I think that whatever number Ron Paul has in the polls, that number will be tripled tomorrow; good for a solid third place. And the corporate media will continue to laugh and ignore Ron Paul's common sense message.
Posted by: William T. Patton, Jr. | January 2, 2008 9:48 AM
It is hard to believe that Ron Paul will not come out on top in Iowa as well as everywhere else. The controlled media gets its pole results from phone land lines, not the man on the street. There are many more of those.
Posted by: Ed. Chevalier | January 2, 2008 9:56 AM
Seriously, it boggles the mind that the polls could be so opposite of:
The Money Raised
Boots on the ground
You tube videos
Candidate Songs
Meet Up Groups
Straw Polls
Blog Presence
Search Presence
and on and on and on. None of it makes sense.
It's called DEMOGRAPHICS... and some would say "Reality."
The polls mainly poll OLD voters.
All of the other measures you are citing are mainly YOUNG people, who were mostly NON-voters during prior elections.
GET OUT AND VOTE PEOPLE! THE TIME IS NOW!
Posted by: Lauri K | January 2, 2008 10:05 AM
Ron Paul is a threat to the trillion dollar honey pot the establishment has their greedy hands in as they rape the American people.
You can be they will do everything in their power to silence him.
Ron Paul has so many young supporters because they quite accurately see that their futures are on the line if they don't get control back from an out of control ruling class.
Posted by: Phil | January 2, 2008 10:05 AM
To the tune of Onward Christian Soldiers (permission hereby granted to sing at services):
Onward Christian soldiers, marching off to war, to Huckabee the victory, watch his poll numbers soar!
Lo the tide turns outward, lo the angels sing, Merry Christmas one and all, Huckabee's christening!
Help the wayward Christian, those who sit the fence, bring them to the polling place, give them recompense!
Hark the canvass caller, hark the new debate, o'er the towns flies Huckabee, caucus in his gait.
Smote the heathen candidates, Huckabee is nigh, he will be the victor, power from on high.
Onward Christian Soldiers, marching off for thee, trumpets now resounding, President Huckabee!
Posted by: Dr Ward Ciac II | January 2, 2008 10:06 AM
Ron Paul's lag in the polls is understandable; he lacks the name recognition the other candidates have. This is partly circumstantial, partly by design. The MSM adores status quo candidates who promise to keep American on the path to surfdom and a New World Order, it disdains anyone who talks about returning to our Constitutional foundations. The "puff" establishment politicians, but cannot speak of Ron Paul except to call him a "longshot" or kook. Ron Paul may not win Iowa, but we are never going back - America will never be the same. The REVOLution has begun.
Posted by: Publius | January 2, 2008 10:07 AM
Huckabee is a MSM manufactured candidate. If you look at his record he is unacceptable to the true Conservatives, like myself, who have been disaffected for many years with the GOP. All the mainstream candidates fail to satisfy - it is the so-called lower tier that shows promise: Paul, Keyes, and Hunter. But the MSM doesn't do daily stories on these people so their name recognition is low. Huckabee will go the way of Rudy, and McCain still has too much baggage. I am sending my money to Ron Paul and Alan Keyes.
Posted by: George McFadden | January 2, 2008 10:12 AM
So to reporter (?) Jason George the best indicator of voter support isn't the poll numbers he and his colleagues trumpet daily, but rather the size of a candidate's Des Moines HQ building?
Are these reporters totally clueless?
Posted by: Bruce | January 2, 2008 10:12 AM
Huckabee at least is not a corporate shill like Romney, Rudy and McCain. Huck and Ron Paul are the people's choice, it just so happens that Huck is the stupid people's choice. That may sound harsh but the fact is that Hucabee lies and has serious integrity issues.
Judicial Watch Announces List of Washingtonâs âTen Most Wanted Corrupt Politiciansâ for 2007
6. Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR): Governor Huckabee enjoyed a meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated Press: â[Huckabeeâs] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governorâs office.â And what was Governor Huckabeeâs response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.
Posted by: Cleaner44 | January 2, 2008 10:16 AM
When Ron Paul got 3rd place in the Values Voter summit, if the MSM mentioned it at all, it was merely to express how confusing the results were. This despite the fact that he wins most straw polls. I have to wonder if his likely third place showing in Iowa will be reported the same way. An odd footnote, but not worth detracting from the overarching narrative about Romney versus the Huckster.
Well, here's hoping he does better than third. (c'mon snow!)
Posted by: mason | January 2, 2008 10:19 AM
Only tyrants need fear Ron Paul's message of Liberty and Peace. Ron Paul for President!
Posted by: david | January 2, 2008 10:20 AM
You guys in the media are trying your best to entirely ignore and stop Ron Paul. What are you afraid of?!?!?!? IT ISN'T WORKING!!!!!!! TELL ALL OF THE OTHER PRETENDERS IN THE RACE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY!!! GO RP!!!
Posted by: Tom | January 2, 2008 10:25 AM
liberal media, conservative media.....blah blah. this is why Ron Paul is making such headway, because people are sick of this bullshit division. Liberals say "conservative media bias", conservatives say "liberal media bias". the truth is, it's a CORPORATE MEDIA BIAS!! forget republican, forget democrat. forget conservative, forget liberal. The Times aren't just changing, they have changed. Ron Paul is the candidate for those of us who have accepted this. I'm no longer concerned with the schoolyard fight between dems and r's (as they're called on the hill). I'm interested in ending a war and restoring an economy.
Posted by: martee soshall | January 2, 2008 10:27 AM
I'll be curious what will happen to these Ron Paul nuts when he comes in 3rd or 4th in a couple of consecutive primaries. Do you go to McCain, Huckleberry, Willard?...Who's left?
Posted by: weinerdog43 | January 2, 2008 10:37 AM
Dodgy voting? Is Americas voting any less corrupt than in Kenya or Former Communist countries? We can only watch from afar, hoping the young can wake up to the propaganda and vote for their future.
Posted by: British Supporter | January 2, 2008 10:38 AM
"Dewey Defeats Truman"
Posted by: George44 | January 2, 2008 10:43 AM
Ron Paul went from 9% in the polls to 11% in SC ahead of mcCain and even with huckcabee, i saw this once then Ron Paul was left out of the polls for weeks then back in at 9%. I think the MSM has been told not to report Ron Paul in double digits.
Posted by: Ron Paul Will Win | January 2, 2008 10:46 AM
Since the 2004 elections, which I voted in as a junior in college, I've been disgusted with the pathetic political behemoth known as the American federal government and its lap dog known as mass media (FOX, CNN, ABC, etc.). Other than by name designation alone, one couldn't in '04, and can't now, distinguish a Neo-Con Bushite from your run-of-the-mill, puppy on a leash, so-called democrat 'liberal'.
America has been hamstrung too long by the heavy hand of the Washington monolith, its secrecy and its fleecing. It's time American voters said 'no more'--Ron Paul gives us that voice and boy is it refreshing.
Ron Paul 2008!
Posted by: Abe C | January 2, 2008 10:48 AM
I hope he wins. How can 5 top tier candidates voting to continue the war that is supported by 35% of the public beat one man not for the war is beyond me...
Posted by: Robin | January 2, 2008 10:48 AM
Politics and religion are difficult thing to discuss. I'm not trying to change your views. I am also an independent thinker, and I'm happy you are too, that is what makes us who we are Americans we have the freedom to be independent thinkers. I am just giving information out information is knowledge is power that's why I hope you read the book The 5000 Year Leap: The 28 Great Ideas That Changed the World by W. Cleon Skousen. We need presidential candidate who is Americaâs last hope of restoring the constitutionally limited republican form of government envisioned by BOTH our Federalist and anti-Federalist Founding Fathers. And both Federalists and anti-Federalists abhorred cash-raising and lobby-dominated political parties that catered to pay-offs from big money. For it is the political parties and their supportive cash-bearing lobbies and big corporate benefactors that comprise The Establishment which has replaced the will of the peoplecorporate power elite has desperately tried to simply ignore real presidential candidates by giving him absolutely no broadcast air time at all. Cable and broadcast TV debates were orchestrated by The Establishmentâs propaganda arm, the mainstream media [MSM] whose âmoderatorsâ were programmed to steer puffball questions to Establishment favorites emphasizing the non-differences of both the candidates and the two flavors of the power eliteâs unitary welfare-warfare partyIf you look and see who the main media does not talk about. You have to wonder why? Because maybe they don't want you to know the truth. Do your own homework is not hard to do. It is becoming increasingly clear that The Establishment is more than just OK with fraudulent elections, just as long as they get to control them and pick the political class stooge they want in place to rule over US. We are now more than ever, land of fraud, and home of the slave.
Posted by: K zipfreer | January 2, 2008 10:52 AM
All comments about the ridiculous nature of the mainstream media propagated polls are right on the money.
Naysayers should have a look at all of the media articles and stories over the past several years related to the proliferation of the internet and broadband access in America. These are the same mainstream media publications which NOW promulgate the ridiculous landline polls by Zogby, Rasmussen, etc. and extrapolate the hundreds of 'likely' voters polled to a self-serving prophecy of Ron Paul's actual support on the ground in America.
Ron Paul OWNS the internet when contrasted with all other candidates (just as he dominates in the number of small campaign contributions made by average Americans when contrasted with the other Republicans):
http://techpresident.com/scrape_plot/hitwise
Where is this information provided to the public by the mainstream media that continually touts the wild adoption by society of the internet (even as they continue to propagate worthless landline polls of several hundred or a thousand voters as the gospel)?
Stay tuned. The first shots are just about to be launched by the citizens over the bow of the government-media alliance of powerbrokers...
Posted by: Marc | January 2, 2008 10:53 AM
I have been watching very closely each development of this presidential campaign for the past year. I was disgusted as I watched your mass media provide its tacit approval, with very few exceptions, to (what was obvious to the rest of us in the world) an illegal 'preemptive' invasion of Iraq that had everything to do with oil and nothing to do with security. It was rather shocking how easy it was to scare the people of the richest & most powerful country ever in the history of mankind into supporting such a foolish & hateful venture. Your media did an excellent job at disseminating the lies and propaganda of the neo-cons. The American people deserve the president they currently have because it has been the American people all along who have been so willing to exchange their freedom for security (google 'naomi wolf end of america' to get a better understanding). There is only one presidential candidate (Ron Paul) who has shown integrity and honesty beyond measure, who truly represents what is decent and honorable, and who has made a firm commitment to stop this insanity called war and occupation quickly. Yet the majority of American people are still afraid and still willing to support killing innocent people (over 650,000 Iraqi women and children to date) all in the name of 'security' and spreading 'freedom and democracy'. Your media's obvious bias against Ron Paul speaks volumes. The hypocrisy is staggering!
Posted by: Andre | January 2, 2008 10:55 AM
people wake up, by now all of you must know their (msm) tactics. they have to keep lieing about ron paul polls otherwise how they able to fix up their DIEBOLD voting machine, they keep lieing all yearlong so when someone try to complain after the real election they can say no ron paul did not have a chance he was always a spoiler, underdog etc...
definetly a bulletproof tactics and because we can not do nothing about the rigged DIEBOLD voting machine this election will be stollen one more time or even a worst scenario they might got scared of the enourmos crowed of ron paul and they will find some b.s. excuse and wont let him debate anywhere else like mike gravel etc.. big bussines just dont like to loose period.
Posted by: laszlo | January 2, 2008 10:56 AM
I have been watching very closely each development of this presidential campaign for the past year. I was disgusted as I watched your mass media provide its tacit approval, with very few exceptions, to (what was obvious to the rest of us in the world) an illegal 'preemptive' invasion of Iraq that had everything to do with oil and nothing to do with security. It was rather shocking how easy it was to scare the people of the richest & most powerful country ever in the history of mankind into supporting such a foolish & hateful venture. Your media did an excellent job at disseminating the lies and propaganda of the neo-cons. The American people deserve the president they currently have because it has been the American people all along who have been so willing to exchange their freedom for security (google 'naomi wolf end of america' to get a better understanding). There is only one presidential candidate (Ron Paul) who has shown integrity and honesty beyond measure, who truly represents what is decent and honorable, and who has made a firm commitment to stop this insanity called war and occupation quickly. Yet the majority of American people are still afraid and still willing to support killing innocent people (over 650,000 Iraqi women and children to date) all in the name of 'security' and spreading 'freedom and democracy'. Your media's obvious bias against Ron Paul speaks volumes. The hypocrisy is staggering!
Posted by: Andre | January 2, 2008 11:01 AM
Good lord â
Here we go again, a bunch of media moguls doing all they can to inject their own opinion to continuing protecting special groups. Who are they?, Are they the deciders? The elections are not here yet and they already telling us the group we should think of. what a jokeâ¦
People think about this:
Dr. Ron Paul is the only one telling it like it is. for a very very long time 20 plus years ago.
Check this URL: http://forpresidentronpaul.blogspot.com/
We have thousands of our braves man and women fighting primarily in Iraq and Afghanistan for what it seems to be a noble goal but rather very difficult to achive.
(one can bring a horse by force to drink water but one can not make him drink it unless he is thirsty)
So how ironic is that we are sending thousands of our young man and women soldiers to fight, to get wounded or kill primarily in Iraq and Afghanistan to what President Bush says âTo bring freedom and democracyâ {if one believe that} while here in our own house some media groups are acting in ways that are coming across as totally undemocratic.
They are numerous examples a recent is the subject to excluding Dunca Hunter and Ron Paul from Fox and ABC conversation and debate table days before the big day.
If one is knowledgeable of how third world countries act and behave during any governmental campaign one will come with the conclusion that what the Big Media venues are doing words, videos etc resonant as if we are a third world country.
Because those media groups are so good at what they do little mistakes are made but if you want to compare one just need to research Venezuela or Mexico elections and one will see similar behavior on part of the Media where real news and events were manipulated to either support their candidate and to attack or suppress those they did not wanted to get some track.
Ron Paul speaks to the young Americans, to Patriots who are sick and tired of manipulations and chipping the constituion of the United Stated of America. They see their parents struggling to pay the bills and getting by week by week.
Parents and grandparents sharing and commenting among themselves the good old days, talking about the days when this or that used to cost XYZ and when he or she used to work for this or that company and now all is gone.
Then this generation born from 1964 to late 1980 is starting to really feel the pinch.
Enough is enough lets stop acting like third world countries!
Posted by: Roger | January 2, 2008 11:05 AM
"When Ron Paul got 3rd place in the Values Voter summit"
Actually I believe he was second. MH was first because, I believe, 65% of the voters were from the East and knew more about MH.
As politicians themselves are wont to say, there is only one poll that counts, the one on election day. I am looking forward to a Ron Paul win in NH and a third place in IA.
Posted by: David Robertson | January 2, 2008 11:05 AM
Faux NoNews, Will be sorry because The Rlovelution is very very strong and the TRUTH wins everytime.
Posted by: butch | January 2, 2008 11:07 AM
I stumbled across Dr. Paul last month during one of the debates. I was dorment, in political apathy, for almost two decades. But, Ron Paul's candor, honesty and principled philosophy will get me voting for the first time since 1988. His message spurred me to make my first ever contribution to any campaign--three separate donations in increments of $75. Who is this guy who refuses his congressional pension, turns down his congressional pay raises and refunds to the people unused portions of his congressional operating budget at the end of each year? In a field of candidates ofh $400 haircuts, mudslinging and lies about their background, it is refreshing to hear a 72 year old folksy physician who is actually scholarly about issues such as monetary policy and Constitutional questions.
He is an old school, Reagan Republican, so he doesn't measure in polls. Neo-Cons and Liberals dislike Paul because he challenges them on their big spending / expansive government nostrums. Dr. Paul's Jeffersonian-Madisoneque philosophy is the nemesis of a modern special interest/patronage system that is the bedrock of all of the other candidates.
Posted by: Mike OBrien | January 2, 2008 11:16 AM
Go Ron Go!!!
Posted by: BigD | January 2, 2008 11:22 AM
I'm hoping and praying for a Ron Paul presidency.
Posted by: Michael Ross | January 2, 2008 11:23 AM
If Dr. Paul is excluded from ANY debates, he should conduct an on-line simultaneous event where he reviews the other candidates' answers and provides his own! Imagine a room with the TV showing the others and your computer screen and speakers highlighting Dr. Paul's responses! Which volume control would you have lower!
Posted by: Roe Leer | January 2, 2008 11:25 AM
The only comment I'll make in regards to these two is at least they are trying to distance themselves from the "WORST" Prez in history.
They deserve credit for that.
Posted by: Raving Loon | January 2, 2008 11:25 AM
report the story, quote the polls, okay. The media telling the electorate that Ron Paul 'probably can't win' is manipulative, and not objective reporting. That is why we think you are tampering with the democratic process. So down boy, before I swat you on the nose with my newspaper.
Posted by: Robert | January 2, 2008 11:34 AM
I've heard the fox debate on the 6th is going to be in a bus. I think that would be a great place to stage a Ron Paul rally, IMHO.
Posted by: Matt | January 2, 2008 11:38 AM
Mitt cries, Huck lies, Rudy retreats South (how sad, a Yankee has to go to South for protection), Tancredo quits, Fred sleeps and Ron Paul raises $6 million dollars in one day. Except for Dr. Paul, "[t]here's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, warrant-less wiretapping and the PATRIOT ACT. They are both guilty of treason.
Time to take sides, fellow patriots, you're either for liberty and Support Dr. Ron Paul or you're against liberty and damn us all.
Posted by: Mark L | January 2, 2008 11:43 AM
If Ron Paul does not win it will be simply beause the CFR did not allow him to win. As far as matching what the people say and want, Ron Paul is clearly the peoples choice. These elections are so fake its pathetic. The elections are rigged and the mainstream media are lying puppets to the Police State now controlling the United States.
Posted by: Galen | January 2, 2008 11:53 AM
What it means is that Huckster's standings in the polls is a FRAUD!!! His rise from ZERO to HERO is orchestrated by the Establishment in order to make up for the DISMAL FAILURE of Ghouliani and Romney to get any support at all in IA and NH. Huckster is a FAKE. Just google the man, and you'll find some real DIRT. He's almost as crooked as Ghouliani, and about as plastic as Romney. RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT.
Posted by: Paul Green | January 2, 2008 11:56 AM
I am a Huckabee supporter because of his stand on most the issues that are important to me. I don't agree with him on everything but I find that there is not a candidate that I agree with on everything, Huckabee just stands strong on certain issues that I cannot compromise on. I agree with Ron Paul on many of his ideas about returning to the Constitution, but I think the times we live in now are radically different from 1776. I don't think we can have an all or nothing attitude about it. I hate war, but I am a realist in that war sometimes forces itself upon us. Israel is our friend and ally, would Ron Paul leave them out to dry if they are attacked..considering them an entanglement? I do not think this is right. And the radical Islamists will not go away if we just leave them alone and get out of their territory..it is so much bigger than that that it suprises me that someone as intelligent as Dr. Paul does not realize this? As for the media and political establishment excluding him from debate I think it is inexcusable. They have also excluded Mike Huckabee to a lesser extent..but they cannot resist ridiculing his faith (and mine I might add)and do not give him any time to talk about issues. It is almost as if we have lost the thing that makes our society great..freedom of thought, debate and discussion. I would like to hear more from Dr. Paul on these issues of foreign relations but I doubt I will ever know.
Posted by: Holly Bush | January 2, 2008 11:58 AM
"Does it mean that Paul can beat Huckabee?"
Humans interested enough to volunteer for a campaign, canvass, call, put signs up, bumper sticker their car, and donate money to a campaign probably won't vote on election day. They probably also won't try to convince their friends and family to vote for their candidate.
Those polled by "experts", however, who have enough energy to answer their phone at home while watching TV, are much more likely to vote and tell their friends who they support and why.
Wake up, media!
Join the Revolution!
Posted by: Adam B | January 2, 2008 12:03 PM
"If you believe the polls..." -- which I don't. But then again, I stopped believing in Santa Claus a long time ago.
As for your parting shot of "probably not" in reference to Paul beating Huck, you really need to wake up and take your stubborn, truth-blocking blinders off and admit that you've failed in convincing us -- the hordes of people growing daily who love and believe in Ron Paul -- that he cannot possibly win.
So come on, save yourself further embarrassment and join the winning team now. And while you're at it, why don't you watch a documentary entitled "Freedom to Fascism" on Google videos. It will make you understand why only Ron Paul knows how to save this country.
Posted by: blakmira | January 2, 2008 12:09 PM
Huckabee supporters, please know who you are supporting.
Did you know that Huckabee lied about having a theology degree?
"Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told the Christian Broadcasting Network he had a theology degree, he told voters in Iowa he had a theology degree, he repeated the claim in last month's CNN YouTube debate ... but, his campaign now says, it was not true."
The article is here:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...ICLE_ID=59222#
As governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee aggressively pushed for the early release of a convicted rapist despite being warned by numerous women that the convict had sexually assaulted them or their family members, and would likely strike again. The convict went on to rape and murder at least one other woman.
Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...e_n_75362.html
As governor, Huckabee was a tax-raiser to put till Clinton shame.
In this short video you can see Huckabee begging for a tax increase:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaJW7nXw30A
Also troubling is Huckabee's support for illegal immigration.
As governor, he helped Arkansas serve as a magnet for illegal immigrants who wanted jobs in the Tyson chicken plants or in-state tuition rates unavailable to American citizens from neighboring states. And he also approved a Mexican consulate generously offered up to the Mexican government for free.
Here is a video of Huckabee begging for scholarships for illegal immigrants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BxJBUswOcQ
The articles about Huckabee's pro-illegal immigration stance are here:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=59047
and
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/...ws/316813.html
and
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/...ws/316347.html
A few weeks ago while on national TV Huckabee made a very sick and improper joke about suicide: "...I'd have to be sitting in a warm tub of water with razor blades in both hands..."
Suicide is not a something that someone who would be President should be joking about.
You can watch the video clip here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM
There are also many questionable ethics violations by Huckabee as governor:
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...E3B4881CA2FA0F
Here is an article that points out why Christians should beware of Huckabee
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin411.htm
And also in Mathew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
Ron Paul is a true Christian and will be getting my vote.
Ron Paul was an OB/GYN and is staunchly against abortion. He delivered over 4000 babies and never once performed an abortion.
You can see Ron Paul speaking at the National Right to Life convention here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk
Pat Robertson practically endorses Ron Paul in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opEM8tKdOLM
(although for whatever reason he eventually went on to endorse Rudy a pro-abortion candidate).
Radio pastor Chuck Baldwin does indeed endorse Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW_sp3Hymac
Check out:
http://www.christiansforronpaul.com/
You can also see Ron Paul's statement of faith:
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm
And Ron Paul is HUGE on home schooling and thinks the federal government needs to get OUT of education.
Check out these two pages for more information
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/home-schooling/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/homeschoolers/
And in this brief speech Ron Paul says that giving power to parents is truly pro-education
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=42
As a Christian & a former Huckabee supporter, I hope you will read the above information and at least make an informed decision.
In God's love,
Tim
Posted by: Tim_Ohio | January 2, 2008 12:09 PM
Dr. Ron Paul has already won by giving us a voice for change. MSM needs to realize that Ron Paul supporters speak with their dollars, something which Faux News may learn the hard way.
"What it all means" is that the Revolution is here to stay, we have our own voice and don't need MSM to tell us what to think. That is, at least, those of us who do our own thinking.
Posted by: Karen Bergeron | January 2, 2008 12:09 PM
Ronbots REVOLT! Huckabee sux! Republicans are doomed
Posted by: Zippy the Pinhead | January 2, 2008 12:12 PM
The difference between these two men is that Huck is out there selling himself as a joking merry huckster bush/clinton clone. It's really sick to see him on stage playing the bass guitar a la clinton's sax in an attempt to be liked. Ron Paul, on the other hand, has a message that can't be covered up with a bass line or a discourse on weight loss strategy. The Ron Paul message will win because, in the end, no one really cares if you can play the bass or how much weight you lost if your policies suck.
Posted by: Bob in Bama | January 2, 2008 12:13 PM
"It's a very sad day in America when people are not mature enough or educated enough on foreign affairs to think that isolationism is anything other than an exercise in suicide and hands a license for the evil in the world to do as they will to the innocent."
Gosh Chris, our interventionist policies have been so darn effective and helpful, it is amazing that so many people don't agree with them, isn't it?
There is a world of difference between isolationism, like North Korea and non-intervention, like Iceland, but I haven't the time or the inclination to explain it to you and if you, as a grown-up, still see the world as "good" and "evil", you wouldn't understand it if I did.
Posted by: frank Parker | January 2, 2008 12:15 PM
The GOP base has a decision to make - either it sticks with a neoncon candidate and cedes the general to the Democrats, or they return to the roots of true conservatism with Dr. Paul.
Posted by: Daniel Pye | January 2, 2008 12:26 PM
The enormous energy, support and enthusiasm as evidenced by the campaign activity does not develop in an isolated social context. In order to believe MSM that the polls show RP so low and Hawkubee so high, we would have to assume that the observable participation (i've seen nothing like it) is completely 100% UNcorrelated to the polls.
What is the definition of a poll? U take this random sampling to get a feel for the big picture. Well, um, when u drive around and see stickers, signs, people, and when people are donating time, energy money, that is also a "sampling".
To imply that the two observations (the support we see and the polls) are totally uncorrelated is a mathematical absurdity.
Also, even if the polls were "accurate", Is MSM seriously so deluded as to think these polled citizens are actually going to get off their couches and vote? Do they think these Huckabee supporters even care that much as to get off their butts and go out and defeat Ron Paul.
I am studying at an institution (and in the same subject) that has a brilliant professor quite famous for cracking the voting machines (hint hint) Av. Ruu...
Let me tell you from an insiders point of view, the real danger isnt the vote- RP could win by a landslide, its that these machines are SOOOOOO easy to rig.
Posted by: Mian Arian | January 2, 2008 12:28 PM
I support Mike Huckabee 100%
All that means is that Ron Paul is supported by the rich, and a bunch liberals who take to the street and block traffic every time the U.S. is in a conflict.
After 9/11 these kinds of people picketed and blocked our streets in anti war efforts. We all seen it.
Sometimes you must have war to have peace. We must finish our work in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our only option is to win the war on terror. Please don't let my brothers and sisters have died in vane. We are strong because we finish the job.
Mike Huckabee will make America stronger. Believe the polls, we Americans are setting them.
Dan Campbell
Sgt., USMC
Posted by: Dan Campbell | January 2, 2008 12:41 PM
Ron Paul is the man who's going to stick it to the man! And good lord, the man needs to have it stuck to him.
People smile and watch the news and think that America is free. We're certainly NOT free. Does that bother any other patriots out there? I know it bothers me.
I won't let corporations continue the process of stealing our democracy for their fortunes. 1,2,3,4, I declare a class war! Ron is the only candidate who has the motivation to shake up the broken system that is our government.
I had been a Barack supporter until I discovered Ron Paul's inspiring message of liberty! Barack speaks of change, but his ideas don't back that up. We need real substantial change, we need Ron Paul in office!
Posted by: Stine | January 2, 2008 12:41 PM
wake up america!
a new term in american politics has emerged
I am a proud
ron paul republican
we may not win the whitehouse this year but we will win this war
all sitting elected official are on notice that we the people are on to their game and are in the process of takeing our country back through the process developed by our founding fathers. start representing us and not your special interests!
by my words alone the message of ron paul is spreading to all i know. each of you who have heard the message are also spreading the word. the tsnami has begun!
Posted by: bob a | January 2, 2008 12:41 PM
I agree with most everyone that has written. I too, being a Republican, will proudly vote for Congressman Ron Paul. In good conscious, how could you not? It is indeed time for people to vote. We actually have a candidate this year that will BENEFIT this country and someone who reflects the popular opinion of the citizens--the war has to end. If you are not registered to vote, I believe you can go to the U.S. Post Office to get a voter registration card free of charge. Your vote really does count.
Posted by: Tom C | January 2, 2008 12:42 PM
You can say that Ron Paul's supporters tipping every internet poll is spam, but you can't say that about the money we've donated and you can't say it about the support we can show on the ground. Its time to face up to the fact that the polls tell you nothing. Remember What Penn & Teller told us to say to Frank Luntz?
Posted by: G Banville | January 2, 2008 12:45 PM
Good for this reporter who is actually describing something he *sees* (at least, that is how I read the article) and not some meaningless recycled fluff.
It's common knowledge, or will be very soon, that the polls are so carefully crafted to put establishment candidates higher that they no longer represent the opinions of the people.
Posted by: Saul Tanner | January 2, 2008 12:51 PM
When you see the background crowds of any candidate other than Ron Paul, you can read their faces and body enthusiasm as "look at me...I am American, and participating in the democratic process...I think...right?...yay...(clap)....(clap).....I don't know this person, and they don't know me or care about me, but who cares...(clap)....(cough)...(look at watch)...(look around the room at the lost sheeple)....(clap)"
But when the RON PAUL show is in town...the people jump and shout.
What a fine tribute to a great man.
Posted by: Burt Hoovis | January 2, 2008 12:55 PM
Ron Paul must get on the ballot for this fall. He is the only Republican that can beat a Democrat. Otherwise I don't think the American public will allow another Rupublican WhiteHouse for awhile.
Posted by: Gary | January 2, 2008 12:55 PM
Ron Paul is the best candidate. His message is spreading like lightening. The American people are behind him, the corrupt media hates him.
It's time to take our country back. If there is no election fraud he will win.
Go Ron Paul! We love you man!
Posted by: Rich, Seattle, WA | January 2, 2008 12:59 PM
Ron Paul R[EVOL]ution
Posted by: TwinCitiesTerrorist | January 2, 2008 1:02 PM
I heard Ron Paul speak on Meet the Press, and although Tim Russet tried to paint a negative picture of Dr. Paul with the types of questions Russet asked him, Dr. Paul was articulate and answered those difficult questions without flinching an eyebrow. When asked the question about "earmarks" for his congressional district, Dr. Paul calmly replied that he represented his district faithfully and those items he earmarked were one way to retrieve the tax dollars the feds took from his constituents. This made a lot of sense to me.
Why shouldn't tax dollars work for American infrastructure rather than support foreign wars for the military/industrial complex to make their profits while we hardworking Americans are taxed and our country's trillion dollar deficit economy literally belongs to China. At least Dr. Paul is committed to the American people not to corporate and foreign interests.
Posted by: the truth | January 2, 2008 1:07 PM
Dan Campbell, thank you for your service to our nation.
However, you're simply wrong about Paul. There are no rich elitists supporting Paul, all of his money came from hardworking average joes across the country. The average donation was $90 last quarter.
The anti-war left is trying to exploit Dr. Paul's campaign. Paul doesn't share their views and has repeatedly denounced them. Many Paul supporters such as myself do not espouse the anti-war left views. Paul supports a strong national defense and he voted to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan. Huckabee doesn't even support border security, which Paul does.
We've been in the Middle East for six years now. It's obvious that these people don't want freedom and democracy. Why keep forcing it upon them? Besides, that's not what our original mission was. We all supported going after the terrorists but we don't support nation-building and trying to Westernize a region that has been in turmoil for generations.
Posted by: Brian | January 2, 2008 1:13 PM
To Baltimore Sun,
Thanks for providing another "on the ground" anecdote that is illuminating. Most in media seem to have missed or ignored common sense observations such as this. They may be telling and the Sun will belatedly get credit for picking up on them when others didn't.
Thanks!
Posted by: Bill Rice in Montgomery | January 2, 2008 1:13 PM
Huckabee's support and poll numbers are fake and trumped up. He is under the control of the CFR/Haas now...so anything bad can happen.
It's not like he went from 3% to double digits on his own, he has NO MONEY!
Someone is funding him, advising him, someone who wants control over even the 'dark horse'.
Maybe the religious nutcases in Iowa will vote for him but after Iowa and NH the CFR will drop him like a rock...after they have used him for their own purposes, which is 'anybody but Paul'
The public is onto this crap, and we're not taking it anymore.
Posted by: NH_GOP | January 2, 2008 1:17 PM
Hey Holly I am glad you expressed your views and your concerns, especially about our foreign policy.
First, lets consider the fact that this country has been involved with an interventionist foreign policy for over 109 years and in over 200 countries. It may surprise you, but this country has intervened into the affairs of Iraq for 87 years.
The question is: are we any safer and what have been the benefits of such intervention? Well, it has certainly benefited the big military contractors, it has definitely benefited big government, it has benefited big banking and big oil, and lets not leave out big business; it has not however, benefited the people of this country in any distinguishing manner, nor has it provided real security for this country. You would think that we would have seen positive results if such a policy really worked as the government says it does, but it doesnt.
Concerning Israel, well, we send just as much foreign aid, weapons and intelligence to the enemies of Israel as we do to Israel. We also tie the hands of the Israelis when it comes to defending their land because of our own political expediency. Israel is well equipped to handle any attack on their own and they probably possess over 200 or more nuclear warheads besides their extremely well-trained military.
Concerning Ron Pauls desire to return to a Constitutional Foundation; thats one of the most rational decisions this country could make if we wish to survive as a free nation. Look around at the issues and problems that face this country; where did those problems come from? If you look at the writings of the Founders you will see that they warned us about most of the things we now face because the government deviated from the simple blueprint of the Constitution. Ron Paul doesnt want to gut the government, as much as to remove the parasitic diseased parts that have been attached to it over the decades and return it to a very efficient, very rational and stream-lined government of the peoples consent.
Concerning the radical Islamists, if you look at a time-line when we began seeing very direct attacks it will correspond exactly with our establishment of bases on the Arabian Peninsula during the first Gulf War; since that time we have established nearly 20 other bases throughout the region. Now, bin Laden warned us back in the early 90s that our presence within what they consider their holy land was an act of aggression toward their land and their religion, but we, in all our self-righteousness, ignored those warnings and we have and will pay the price for such Hubris. I an guarantee you this, if we dont leave that region we will not only continue to be attacked, but the attacks will become far more frequent and far more devastating. Eventually, this foreign policy will prove that it is not only wrong, but dangerous to our future safety. If you and your family wish to live in a fortress from now into the unforeseen future then by all means support someone who wants to continue with an interventionist foreign policy, the same foreign policy that we have used for 109 years without any good results, but if you want to actually defend this nation, this land and your family then vote for Ron Paul.
Did you know that our very own CIA, with the help of the University of Nebraska created ultra-radical Islamic textbooks to send to Afghanistan back in the late 70s and 80s and those books are still being used by the Islamists to enflame there people. Did you know that our own government allowed over 30 MAK [later al Qaeda] offices to open up and operate in this country back in the 80s. The other information is just as damning and has caused this country so much more trouble with the Islamists around the world then it helped. How can such actions and policies benefit us? It cant, and the problem is that we are still doing things like that. A recent article stated that our own government is now providing weapons and training to the FATAH governing body in Palestine, but what they dont tell us is that within FATAH are also members of the Al Asqa Martyrs Brigade who continues to reek terror on Israel and within the region. Why? Why would we make the same mistake with FATAH as we did when we supported bin Laden and the Afghani Mujahadeen?
Ron Paul has stated that we are now doing the same thing in Pakistan as we did in Iran back in the 70s. We are supporting another Shah just like we did in Iran, but this time it is Pakistan and it will end up the same way. Pakistan will end up falling to the hands of extremists despite all our intervention, all our foreign and military aid. We tend to back the wrong person with the wrong ideas and it appears that no one gets it, well except for Ron Paul. The other candidates take the same position that has been taken for decades and it will end up the same way it has always ended up: a disaster for the people involved and a danger for this country.
It is time to once again put American and Americans First, defend this country instead of wasting hundreds of billions of dollars that we have to borrow trying to defend all these other nations.
With all our technology, will all the multiple billions spent on defense we still could not defend our own shores on 9/11. Korea, Germany, and Japan were more defended by our military then we were on that fateful and horrible day, why?
Posted by: Republicae | January 2, 2008 1:17 PM
PhilR8 -- the Brunch is not FOX, the closed forum at night is. The Brunch, which he will attend, is NH GOP. That's at 11 AM.
Posted by: NH_GOP | January 2, 2008 1:23 PM
The World is watching this election.
I'm in Vancouver BC- and the Ron Paul enthusiasm is found even here.
I haven't been this excited (about anything ) in a long time.
Go Ron Paul!
Posted by: Chris | January 2, 2008 1:43 PM
"It's a very sad day in America when people are not mature enough or educated enough on foreign affairs to think that isolationism is anything other than an exercise in suicide and hands a license for the evil in the world to do as they will to the innocent."
It's a very sad day in America when people aren't smart enough to recognize the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.
Posted by: Anonymous | January 2, 2008 1:59 PM
Ron Paul supported by the rich? I almost fell off my stool laughing. No one can give more than $2300 so how is that rich? He doesn't take corporate money and isn't being steered by the sinister CFR... that's why Huckabee suddenly got this media attention he attributes to 'god'. What a crock.
It's amazing that the new world order atheits are using Huckabee to fish in the religious to their one world government ideas.
Posted by: NH_GOP | January 2, 2008 1:59 PM
Romney - Bain Capital - Communist China ?