Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee on the block

It means there's a rEVOLution going on that the media wishes would just go away. Fox and ABC both having forums / debates while excluding Dr. Paul. Won't they feel foolish when he's President?

Welcome to the Ron Paul rEVOLution.

There's no way the media's traditional phone polls can be correct. EVERY other metric disagrees with them, making Paul look wildly popular.

Ofcourse Paul will defeat Huckabee. Paul offers a return to the Constitution and sanity, Huckabee represents more Bushism.
Go figure.

Huckabee is fiction made up by the MSM and biased polls...There will be surprises in Iowa if the poll machines are not rigged

We don't believe the polls. Ron Paul is an anti establishment candidate and the establishment is doing everything it can to play down his popularity. It is a sad day in America when Fox News omits him from the New Hampshire January 6th debate. It is nothing more then the most evil form of propaganda. The corporate fascist control our election process. On the other hand, corrupt Huckabee, supported by Clinton cronies is a media made man.

FOX is wrong. Ron Paul will win the day in Iowa.

I am from Iowa. I was on the platform commitee the caucus when Clinton won. I was then voting Democrat.
I will never do that again.

It's a very sad day in America when people are not mature enough or educated enough on foreign affairs to think that isolationism is anything other than an exercise in suicide and hands a license for the evil in the world to do as they will to the innocent.

Shame on you for thumbing your noses at what can not be ignored.

Get a preview of Iowa caucus see this Video 100% Win in Kansas City Dec 7th National Caucus Ron Paul won 62.5% Nationally hmmm MSM ignored this too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMCgPsbwJsI

We are fooled into believing we live in a democracy, when in fact are governed by corporate fascism. How has it come to this? If RP gets too close to the presidency, I fear for him.

Landline Polls are not accurate when measuring regional or national support.

You only have to look at the yard signs, bumper stickers, meet-up groups, volunteers, individual contributions, email responses, call in phone polls, straw polls and marches. Throw in two on line radio shows dedicated to just Ron Paul Supporters, a Blimp, huge yard balloons and the old media bias, to see that Ron Paul is clearly the peoples choice. If this were a contest of American Idol who would you call the winner?

Forget Ron Paul, one hopes that, absent a Huckabee campaign effort, the media will counter Romney attacks by pointing out how, at Bain Capital, Mr. Romney used offshore corporations (and continues to) in order to avoid U.S. taxation, and he fee-milked acquired businesses before firing workers and taking them into bankruptcy, to amass his great $250,000,000 wealth.

So, when you compare how Mr. Huckabee's visionary FairTax advocacy compares to Romney's interest in the current tax system, it's pretty easy to see who will lead us out of tax slavery - the $265 billion annual tax code compliance costs representing 5 billion wasted hours, annually.

The contest this cycle is really a contest between main stream media, good old boys and the status quo -v- a groundswell grassroots revolution, uncontrolled media sources and some irked folks that are politically savy as well as passionate. Most revolutions require widespread anger rather than 5% of the population being irked... I hope the folks supporting Paul win!

Looking forward to a big Ron Paul win in IA.

This is a a complete fluke. I don't care how many dollars Paul raises, how many volunteers he gathers, or how passionate they are. Ron Paul will not be re-elected in 2012.

So, Huckabee cant raise any money and can't even get anyone to answer the phone at his HQ, but he is by far 1st in the polls. Ron Paul has more supporters and more money than he knows what do with, but he is last. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see something is a little fishy here. The rEVOLution is here and it won't be stopped. Fox News is only adding fuel to the fire. At some point, the Paul supporters are no longer going to take the exclusion and ridicule.

Huckabee is another war-monger bushite clone using the bible to sucker in more bootlicking republicans. This madness has to stop. Vote Ron Paul and take this country back to freedom and sanity and away from the murdering war-mongering haters of freedom and peace.

Some interesting facts:

*I have never voted for a Republican presidential candidate.

*I have never voted in a primary.

*I have never owned a land-line phone and, therefore, I have never been polled.

However...
This year, I am voting in the Republican primary - for Ron Paul.

Hey Fox News, Poll this!

How can the media's polls be right when they don't even take into account the amount of new voters coming to vote this election. The only way Ron Paul will do poorly in the election is if the electronic voting machines are rigged.

Besides that, I've personally donated about $2100.00 to the Ron Paul campaign. Something I've never done ever... But this waranted the donation due to the message of liberty, freedom and individual independence.

The revolution will NOT be televised by the mainstream, because if they were to televise it, they would be televising their own demise.

Huckabee is another war-monger bushite clone using the bible to sucker in more bootlicking republicans. This madness has to stop. Vote Ron Paul and take this country back to freedom and sanity and away from the murdering war-mongering haters of freedom and peace.

Just so you know, Dr. Paul will be participating both in the January 5th ABC/Facebook debate as well as attending the FOX News brunch forum on January 6th.

The bush media propaganda machine can't stop the will of the people and good ole grassroots campaigning. We will not allow our corrrupt politicians to turn our great country into a fascist dictatorship. No more Bushes and Clintons and no more Obama puppets.

More evidence that Huckabee's support is all fabricated by the liberal media.

I only came to hear Dr. Paul's name just 2 weeks ago. It only took me one day of research to realize he is what America needs. Once citizens begin to see what will happen when they lose their civil rights, it may be too late. Read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I've been disgruntled towards our current government for a few years now; especially congressional pensions. I certainly don't want my tax payment to go to the politicians' upkeep for the rest of their lives; especially if they did a rotten job.

The MSM gave up reporting on substance a long time ago. Reporting today is the equivalent to gossip. The MSM reporters do not have time to do any real investigation. They sit at their computer stations and churn out gossip. That's why they love polls. No investigation. They can go to a web-site and report about what some people claim other people said about the upcoming political elections.

*NEWSLASH* this just in! I just went to a web-site, and they said that they called people and the people that they called, very important people, all believe that it is important to read my column! If it weren't for me, this would have gone unnoticed. Read my column tomorrow to find out what my sister thinks of Oprah.

Huckabee's a front runner? A true media darling...

Mike Huckabee is a creation of the media and is supported by religious fanatics.

If Ron Paul was given even 5% of the print and air time of the Huckster and Romney, Paul would be running away with the nomination.

I think that whatever number Ron Paul has in the polls, that number will be tripled tomorrow; good for a solid third place. And the corporate media will continue to laugh and ignore Ron Paul's common sense message.

Mike Huckabee is a creation of the media and is supported by religious fanatics.

If Ron Paul was given even 5% of the print and air time of the Huckster and Romney, Paul would be running away with the nomination.

I think that whatever number Ron Paul has in the polls, that number will be tripled tomorrow; good for a solid third place. And the corporate media will continue to laugh and ignore Ron Paul's common sense message.

Mike Huckabee is a creation of the media and is supported by religious fanatics.

If Ron Paul was given even 5% of the print and air time of the Huckster and Romney, Paul would be running away with the nomination.

I think that whatever number Ron Paul has in the polls, that number will be tripled tomorrow; good for a solid third place. And the corporate media will continue to laugh and ignore Ron Paul's common sense message.

It is hard to believe that Ron Paul will not come out on top in Iowa as well as everywhere else. The controlled media gets its pole results from phone land lines, not the man on the street. There are many more of those.

Seriously, it boggles the mind that the polls could be so opposite of:
The Money Raised
Boots on the ground
You tube videos
Candidate Songs
Meet Up Groups
Straw Polls
Blog Presence
Search Presence

and on and on and on. None of it makes sense.

It's called DEMOGRAPHICS... and some would say "Reality."

The polls mainly poll OLD voters.

All of the other measures you are citing are mainly YOUNG people, who were mostly NON-voters during prior elections.

GET OUT AND VOTE PEOPLE! THE TIME IS NOW!

Ron Paul is a threat to the trillion dollar honey pot the establishment has their greedy hands in as they rape the American people.

You can be they will do everything in their power to silence him.

Ron Paul has so many young supporters because they quite accurately see that their futures are on the line if they don't get control back from an out of control ruling class.

To the tune of Onward Christian Soldiers (permission hereby granted to sing at services):
Onward Christian soldiers, marching off to war, to Huckabee the victory, watch his poll numbers soar!
Lo the tide turns outward, lo the angels sing, Merry Christmas one and all, Huckabee's christening!
Help the wayward Christian, those who sit the fence, bring them to the polling place, give them recompense!
Hark the canvass caller, hark the new debate, o'er the towns flies Huckabee, caucus in his gait.
Smote the heathen candidates, Huckabee is nigh, he will be the victor, power from on high.
Onward Christian Soldiers, marching off for thee, trumpets now resounding, President Huckabee!

Ron Paul's lag in the polls is understandable; he lacks the name recognition the other candidates have. This is partly circumstantial, partly by design. The MSM adores status quo candidates who promise to keep American on the path to surfdom and a New World Order, it disdains anyone who talks about returning to our Constitutional foundations. The "puff" establishment politicians, but cannot speak of Ron Paul except to call him a "longshot" or kook. Ron Paul may not win Iowa, but we are never going back - America will never be the same. The REVOLution has begun.

Huckabee is a MSM manufactured candidate. If you look at his record he is unacceptable to the true Conservatives, like myself, who have been disaffected for many years with the GOP. All the mainstream candidates fail to satisfy - it is the so-called lower tier that shows promise: Paul, Keyes, and Hunter. But the MSM doesn't do daily stories on these people so their name recognition is low. Huckabee will go the way of Rudy, and McCain still has too much baggage. I am sending my money to Ron Paul and Alan Keyes.

So to reporter (?) Jason George the best indicator of voter support isn't the poll numbers he and his colleagues trumpet daily, but rather the size of a candidate's Des Moines HQ building?

Are these reporters totally clueless?

Huckabee at least is not a corporate shill like Romney, Rudy and McCain. Huck and Ron Paul are the people's choice, it just so happens that Huck is the stupid people's choice. That may sound harsh but the fact is that Hucabee lies and has serious integrity issues.

Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians” for 2007

6. Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR): Governor Huckabee enjoyed a meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.

When Ron Paul got 3rd place in the Values Voter summit, if the MSM mentioned it at all, it was merely to express how confusing the results were. This despite the fact that he wins most straw polls. I have to wonder if his likely third place showing in Iowa will be reported the same way. An odd footnote, but not worth detracting from the overarching narrative about Romney versus the Huckster.

Well, here's hoping he does better than third. (c'mon snow!)

Only tyrants need fear Ron Paul's message of Liberty and Peace. Ron Paul for President!

You guys in the media are trying your best to entirely ignore and stop Ron Paul. What are you afraid of?!?!?!? IT ISN'T WORKING!!!!!!! TELL ALL OF THE OTHER PRETENDERS IN THE RACE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY!!! GO RP!!!

liberal media, conservative media.....blah blah. this is why Ron Paul is making such headway, because people are sick of this bullshit division. Liberals say "conservative media bias", conservatives say "liberal media bias". the truth is, it's a CORPORATE MEDIA BIAS!! forget republican, forget democrat. forget conservative, forget liberal. The Times aren't just changing, they have changed. Ron Paul is the candidate for those of us who have accepted this. I'm no longer concerned with the schoolyard fight between dems and r's (as they're called on the hill). I'm interested in ending a war and restoring an economy.

I'll be curious what will happen to these Ron Paul nuts when he comes in 3rd or 4th in a couple of consecutive primaries. Do you go to McCain, Huckleberry, Willard?...Who's left?

Dodgy voting? Is Americas voting any less corrupt than in Kenya or Former Communist countries? We can only watch from afar, hoping the young can wake up to the propaganda and vote for their future.

"Dewey Defeats Truman"

Ron Paul went from 9% in the polls to 11% in SC ahead of mcCain and even with huckcabee, i saw this once then Ron Paul was left out of the polls for weeks then back in at 9%. I think the MSM has been told not to report Ron Paul in double digits.

Since the 2004 elections, which I voted in as a junior in college, I've been disgusted with the pathetic political behemoth known as the American federal government and its lap dog known as mass media (FOX, CNN, ABC, etc.). Other than by name designation alone, one couldn't in '04, and can't now, distinguish a Neo-Con Bushite from your run-of-the-mill, puppy on a leash, so-called democrat 'liberal'.

America has been hamstrung too long by the heavy hand of the Washington monolith, its secrecy and its fleecing. It's time American voters said 'no more'--Ron Paul gives us that voice and boy is it refreshing.

Ron Paul 2008!

I hope he wins. How can 5 top tier candidates voting to continue the war that is supported by 35% of the public beat one man not for the war is beyond me...

Politics and religion are difficult thing to discuss. I'm not trying to change your views. I am also an independent thinker, and I'm happy you are too, that is what makes us who we are Americans we have the freedom to be independent thinkers. I am just giving information out information is knowledge is power that's why I hope you read the book The 5000 Year Leap: The 28 Great Ideas That Changed the World by W. Cleon Skousen. We need presidential candidate who is America’s last hope of restoring the constitutionally limited republican form of government envisioned by BOTH our Federalist and anti-Federalist Founding Fathers. And both Federalists and anti-Federalists abhorred cash-raising and lobby-dominated political parties that catered to pay-offs from big money. For it is the political parties and their supportive cash-bearing lobbies and big corporate benefactors that comprise The Establishment which has replaced the will of the peoplecorporate power elite has desperately tried to simply ignore real presidential candidates by giving him absolutely no broadcast air time at all. Cable and broadcast TV debates were orchestrated by The Establishment’s propaganda arm, the mainstream media [MSM] whose “moderators” were programmed to steer puffball questions to Establishment favorites emphasizing the non-differences of both the candidates and the two flavors of the power elite’s unitary welfare-warfare partyIf you look and see who the main media does not talk about. You have to wonder why? Because maybe they don't want you to know the truth. Do your own homework is not hard to do. It is becoming increasingly clear that The Establishment is more than just OK with fraudulent elections, just as long as they get to control them and pick the political class stooge they want in place to rule over US. We are now more than ever, land of fraud, and home of the slave.

All comments about the ridiculous nature of the mainstream media propagated polls are right on the money.

Naysayers should have a look at all of the media articles and stories over the past several years related to the proliferation of the internet and broadband access in America. These are the same mainstream media publications which NOW promulgate the ridiculous landline polls by Zogby, Rasmussen, etc. and extrapolate the hundreds of 'likely' voters polled to a self-serving prophecy of Ron Paul's actual support on the ground in America.

Ron Paul OWNS the internet when contrasted with all other candidates (just as he dominates in the number of small campaign contributions made by average Americans when contrasted with the other Republicans):

http://techpresident.com/scrape_plot/hitwise

Where is this information provided to the public by the mainstream media that continually touts the wild adoption by society of the internet (even as they continue to propagate worthless landline polls of several hundred or a thousand voters as the gospel)?

Stay tuned. The first shots are just about to be launched by the citizens over the bow of the government-media alliance of powerbrokers...

I have been watching very closely each development of this presidential campaign for the past year. I was disgusted as I watched your mass media provide its tacit approval, with very few exceptions, to (what was obvious to the rest of us in the world) an illegal 'preemptive' invasion of Iraq that had everything to do with oil and nothing to do with security. It was rather shocking how easy it was to scare the people of the richest & most powerful country ever in the history of mankind into supporting such a foolish & hateful venture. Your media did an excellent job at disseminating the lies and propaganda of the neo-cons. The American people deserve the president they currently have because it has been the American people all along who have been so willing to exchange their freedom for security (google 'naomi wolf end of america' to get a better understanding). There is only one presidential candidate (Ron Paul) who has shown integrity and honesty beyond measure, who truly represents what is decent and honorable, and who has made a firm commitment to stop this insanity called war and occupation quickly. Yet the majority of American people are still afraid and still willing to support killing innocent people (over 650,000 Iraqi women and children to date) all in the name of 'security' and spreading 'freedom and democracy'. Your media's obvious bias against Ron Paul speaks volumes. The hypocrisy is staggering!

people wake up, by now all of you must know their (msm) tactics. they have to keep lieing about ron paul polls otherwise how they able to fix up their DIEBOLD voting machine, they keep lieing all yearlong so when someone try to complain after the real election they can say no ron paul did not have a chance he was always a spoiler, underdog etc...
definetly a bulletproof tactics and because we can not do nothing about the rigged DIEBOLD voting machine this election will be stollen one more time or even a worst scenario they might got scared of the enourmos crowed of ron paul and they will find some b.s. excuse and wont let him debate anywhere else like mike gravel etc.. big bussines just dont like to loose period.

I have been watching very closely each development of this presidential campaign for the past year. I was disgusted as I watched your mass media provide its tacit approval, with very few exceptions, to (what was obvious to the rest of us in the world) an illegal 'preemptive' invasion of Iraq that had everything to do with oil and nothing to do with security. It was rather shocking how easy it was to scare the people of the richest & most powerful country ever in the history of mankind into supporting such a foolish & hateful venture. Your media did an excellent job at disseminating the lies and propaganda of the neo-cons. The American people deserve the president they currently have because it has been the American people all along who have been so willing to exchange their freedom for security (google 'naomi wolf end of america' to get a better understanding). There is only one presidential candidate (Ron Paul) who has shown integrity and honesty beyond measure, who truly represents what is decent and honorable, and who has made a firm commitment to stop this insanity called war and occupation quickly. Yet the majority of American people are still afraid and still willing to support killing innocent people (over 650,000 Iraqi women and children to date) all in the name of 'security' and spreading 'freedom and democracy'. Your media's obvious bias against Ron Paul speaks volumes. The hypocrisy is staggering!

Good lord –

Here we go again, a bunch of media moguls doing all they can to inject their own opinion to continuing protecting special groups. Who are they?, Are they the deciders? The elections are not here yet and they already telling us the group we should think of. what a joke…

People think about this:

Dr. Ron Paul is the only one telling it like it is. for a very very long time 20 plus years ago.
Check this URL: http://forpresidentronpaul.blogspot.com/

We have thousands of our braves man and women fighting primarily in Iraq and Afghanistan for what it seems to be a noble goal but rather very difficult to achive.
(one can bring a horse by force to drink water but one can not make him drink it unless he is thirsty)

So how ironic is that we are sending thousands of our young man and women soldiers to fight, to get wounded or kill primarily in Iraq and Afghanistan to what President Bush says “To bring freedom and democracy” {if one believe that} while here in our own house some media groups are acting in ways that are coming across as totally undemocratic.

They are numerous examples a recent is the subject to excluding Dunca Hunter and Ron Paul from Fox and ABC conversation and debate table days before the big day.

If one is knowledgeable of how third world countries act and behave during any governmental campaign one will come with the conclusion that what the Big Media venues are doing words, videos etc resonant as if we are a third world country.
Because those media groups are so good at what they do little mistakes are made but if you want to compare one just need to research Venezuela or Mexico elections and one will see similar behavior on part of the Media where real news and events were manipulated to either support their candidate and to attack or suppress those they did not wanted to get some track.

Ron Paul speaks to the young Americans, to Patriots who are sick and tired of manipulations and chipping the constituion of the United Stated of America. They see their parents struggling to pay the bills and getting by week by week.
Parents and grandparents sharing and commenting among themselves the good old days, talking about the days when this or that used to cost XYZ and when he or she used to work for this or that company and now all is gone.
Then this generation born from 1964 to late 1980 is starting to really feel the pinch.

Enough is enough lets stop acting like third world countries!

"When Ron Paul got 3rd place in the Values Voter summit"

Actually I believe he was second. MH was first because, I believe, 65% of the voters were from the East and knew more about MH.

As politicians themselves are wont to say, there is only one poll that counts, the one on election day. I am looking forward to a Ron Paul win in NH and a third place in IA.

Faux NoNews, Will be sorry because The Rlovelution is very very strong and the TRUTH wins everytime.

I stumbled across Dr. Paul last month during one of the debates. I was dorment, in political apathy, for almost two decades. But, Ron Paul's candor, honesty and principled philosophy will get me voting for the first time since 1988. His message spurred me to make my first ever contribution to any campaign--three separate donations in increments of $75. Who is this guy who refuses his congressional pension, turns down his congressional pay raises and refunds to the people unused portions of his congressional operating budget at the end of each year? In a field of candidates ofh $400 haircuts, mudslinging and lies about their background, it is refreshing to hear a 72 year old folksy physician who is actually scholarly about issues such as monetary policy and Constitutional questions.

He is an old school, Reagan Republican, so he doesn't measure in polls. Neo-Cons and Liberals dislike Paul because he challenges them on their big spending / expansive government nostrums. Dr. Paul's Jeffersonian-Madisoneque philosophy is the nemesis of a modern special interest/patronage system that is the bedrock of all of the other candidates.

Go Ron Go!!!

I'm hoping and praying for a Ron Paul presidency.

If Dr. Paul is excluded from ANY debates, he should conduct an on-line simultaneous event where he reviews the other candidates' answers and provides his own! Imagine a room with the TV showing the others and your computer screen and speakers highlighting Dr. Paul's responses! Which volume control would you have lower!

The only comment I'll make in regards to these two is at least they are trying to distance themselves from the "WORST" Prez in history.

They deserve credit for that.

report the story, quote the polls, okay. The media telling the electorate that Ron Paul 'probably can't win' is manipulative, and not objective reporting. That is why we think you are tampering with the democratic process. So down boy, before I swat you on the nose with my newspaper.

I've heard the fox debate on the 6th is going to be in a bus. I think that would be a great place to stage a Ron Paul rally, IMHO.

Mitt cries, Huck lies, Rudy retreats South (how sad, a Yankee has to go to South for protection), Tancredo quits, Fred sleeps and Ron Paul raises $6 million dollars in one day. Except for Dr. Paul, "[t]here's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, warrant-less wiretapping and the PATRIOT ACT. They are both guilty of treason.
Time to take sides, fellow patriots, you're either for liberty and Support Dr. Ron Paul or you're against liberty and damn us all.

If Ron Paul does not win it will be simply beause the CFR did not allow him to win. As far as matching what the people say and want, Ron Paul is clearly the peoples choice. These elections are so fake its pathetic. The elections are rigged and the mainstream media are lying puppets to the Police State now controlling the United States.

What it means is that Huckster's standings in the polls is a FRAUD!!! His rise from ZERO to HERO is orchestrated by the Establishment in order to make up for the DISMAL FAILURE of Ghouliani and Romney to get any support at all in IA and NH. Huckster is a FAKE. Just google the man, and you'll find some real DIRT. He's almost as crooked as Ghouliani, and about as plastic as Romney. RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT.

I am a Huckabee supporter because of his stand on most the issues that are important to me. I don't agree with him on everything but I find that there is not a candidate that I agree with on everything, Huckabee just stands strong on certain issues that I cannot compromise on. I agree with Ron Paul on many of his ideas about returning to the Constitution, but I think the times we live in now are radically different from 1776. I don't think we can have an all or nothing attitude about it. I hate war, but I am a realist in that war sometimes forces itself upon us. Israel is our friend and ally, would Ron Paul leave them out to dry if they are attacked..considering them an entanglement? I do not think this is right. And the radical Islamists will not go away if we just leave them alone and get out of their territory..it is so much bigger than that that it suprises me that someone as intelligent as Dr. Paul does not realize this? As for the media and political establishment excluding him from debate I think it is inexcusable. They have also excluded Mike Huckabee to a lesser extent..but they cannot resist ridiculing his faith (and mine I might add)and do not give him any time to talk about issues. It is almost as if we have lost the thing that makes our society great..freedom of thought, debate and discussion. I would like to hear more from Dr. Paul on these issues of foreign relations but I doubt I will ever know.

"Does it mean that Paul can beat Huckabee?"

Humans interested enough to volunteer for a campaign, canvass, call, put signs up, bumper sticker their car, and donate money to a campaign probably won't vote on election day. They probably also won't try to convince their friends and family to vote for their candidate.

Those polled by "experts", however, who have enough energy to answer their phone at home while watching TV, are much more likely to vote and tell their friends who they support and why.

Wake up, media!
Join the Revolution!

"If you believe the polls..." -- which I don't. But then again, I stopped believing in Santa Claus a long time ago.

As for your parting shot of "probably not" in reference to Paul beating Huck, you really need to wake up and take your stubborn, truth-blocking blinders off and admit that you've failed in convincing us -- the hordes of people growing daily who love and believe in Ron Paul -- that he cannot possibly win.

So come on, save yourself further embarrassment and join the winning team now. And while you're at it, why don't you watch a documentary entitled "Freedom to Fascism" on Google videos. It will make you understand why only Ron Paul knows how to save this country.

Huckabee supporters, please know who you are supporting.

Did you know that Huckabee lied about having a theology degree?

"Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told the Christian Broadcasting Network he had a theology degree, he told voters in Iowa he had a theology degree, he repeated the claim in last month's CNN YouTube debate ... but, his campaign now says, it was not true."
The article is here:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...ICLE_ID=59222#

As governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee aggressively pushed for the early release of a convicted rapist despite being warned by numerous women that the convict had sexually assaulted them or their family members, and would likely strike again. The convict went on to rape and murder at least one other woman.
Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...e_n_75362.html

As governor, Huckabee was a tax-raiser to put till Clinton shame.
In this short video you can see Huckabee begging for a tax increase:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaJW7nXw30A

Also troubling is Huckabee's support for illegal immigration.
As governor, he helped Arkansas serve as a magnet for illegal immigrants who wanted jobs in the Tyson chicken plants or in-state tuition rates unavailable to American citizens from neighboring states. And he also approved a Mexican consulate generously offered up to the Mexican government for free.

Here is a video of Huckabee begging for scholarships for illegal immigrants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BxJBUswOcQ

The articles about Huckabee's pro-illegal immigration stance are here:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=59047
and
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/...ws/316813.html

and
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/...ws/316347.html

A few weeks ago while on national TV Huckabee made a very sick and improper joke about suicide: "...I'd have to be sitting in a warm tub of water with razor blades in both hands..."
Suicide is not a something that someone who would be President should be joking about.
You can watch the video clip here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2Sb7dFsvM

There are also many questionable ethics violations by Huckabee as governor:
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...E3B4881CA2FA0F

Here is an article that points out why Christians should beware of Huckabee
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin411.htm

And also in Mathew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

Ron Paul is a true Christian and will be getting my vote.

Ron Paul was an OB/GYN and is staunchly against abortion. He delivered over 4000 babies and never once performed an abortion.

You can see Ron Paul speaking at the National Right to Life convention here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk

Pat Robertson practically endorses Ron Paul in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opEM8tKdOLM
(although for whatever reason he eventually went on to endorse Rudy a pro-abortion candidate).

Radio pastor Chuck Baldwin does indeed endorse Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW_sp3Hymac

Check out:
http://www.christiansforronpaul.com/

You can also see Ron Paul's statement of faith:
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

And Ron Paul is HUGE on home schooling and thinks the federal government needs to get OUT of education.
Check out these two pages for more information
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/home-schooling/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/homeschoolers/

And in this brief speech Ron Paul says that giving power to parents is truly pro-education
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=42

As a Christian & a former Huckabee supporter, I hope you will read the above information and at least make an informed decision.

In God's love,
Tim

Dr. Ron Paul has already won by giving us a voice for change. MSM needs to realize that Ron Paul supporters speak with their dollars, something which Faux News may learn the hard way.

"What it all means" is that the Revolution is here to stay, we have our own voice and don't need MSM to tell us what to think. That is, at least, those of us who do our own thinking.

Ronbots REVOLT! Huckabee sux! Republicans are doomed

The difference between these two men is that Huck is out there selling himself as a joking merry huckster bush/clinton clone. It's really sick to see him on stage playing the bass guitar a la clinton's sax in an attempt to be liked. Ron Paul, on the other hand, has a message that can't be covered up with a bass line or a discourse on weight loss strategy. The Ron Paul message will win because, in the end, no one really cares if you can play the bass or how much weight you lost if your policies suck.

"It's a very sad day in America when people are not mature enough or educated enough on foreign affairs to think that isolationism is anything other than an exercise in suicide and hands a license for the evil in the world to do as they will to the innocent."

Gosh Chris, our interventionist policies have been so darn effective and helpful, it is amazing that so many people don't agree with them, isn't it?

There is a world of difference between isolationism, like North Korea and non-intervention, like Iceland, but I haven't the time or the inclination to explain it to you and if you, as a grown-up, still see the world as "good" and "evil", you wouldn't understand it if I did.

The GOP base has a decision to make - either it sticks with a neoncon candidate and cedes the general to the Democrats, or they return to the roots of true conservatism with Dr. Paul.

The enormous energy, support and enthusiasm as evidenced by the campaign activity does not develop in an isolated social context. In order to believe MSM that the polls show RP so low and Hawkubee so high, we would have to assume that the observable participation (i've seen nothing like it) is completely 100% UNcorrelated to the polls.

What is the definition of a poll? U take this random sampling to get a feel for the big picture. Well, um, when u drive around and see stickers, signs, people, and when people are donating time, energy money, that is also a "sampling".

To imply that the two observations (the support we see and the polls) are totally uncorrelated is a mathematical absurdity.

Also, even if the polls were "accurate", Is MSM seriously so deluded as to think these polled citizens are actually going to get off their couches and vote? Do they think these Huckabee supporters even care that much as to get off their butts and go out and defeat Ron Paul.

I am studying at an institution (and in the same subject) that has a brilliant professor quite famous for cracking the voting machines (hint hint) Av. Ruu...

Let me tell you from an insiders point of view, the real danger isnt the vote- RP could win by a landslide, its that these machines are SOOOOOO easy to rig.

I support Mike Huckabee 100%

All that means is that Ron Paul is supported by the rich, and a bunch liberals who take to the street and block traffic every time the U.S. is in a conflict.

After 9/11 these kinds of people picketed and blocked our streets in anti war efforts. We all seen it.

Sometimes you must have war to have peace. We must finish our work in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our only option is to win the war on terror. Please don't let my brothers and sisters have died in vane. We are strong because we finish the job.

Mike Huckabee will make America stronger. Believe the polls, we Americans are setting them.

Dan Campbell
Sgt., USMC

Ron Paul is the man who's going to stick it to the man! And good lord, the man needs to have it stuck to him.

People smile and watch the news and think that America is free. We're certainly NOT free. Does that bother any other patriots out there? I know it bothers me.

I won't let corporations continue the process of stealing our democracy for their fortunes. 1,2,3,4, I declare a class war! Ron is the only candidate who has the motivation to shake up the broken system that is our government.

I had been a Barack supporter until I discovered Ron Paul's inspiring message of liberty! Barack speaks of change, but his ideas don't back that up. We need real substantial change, we need Ron Paul in office!

wake up america!

a new term in american politics has emerged

I am a proud

ron paul republican

we may not win the whitehouse this year but we will win this war

all sitting elected official are on notice that we the people are on to their game and are in the process of takeing our country back through the process developed by our founding fathers. start representing us and not your special interests!

by my words alone the message of ron paul is spreading to all i know. each of you who have heard the message are also spreading the word. the tsnami has begun!

I agree with most everyone that has written. I too, being a Republican, will proudly vote for Congressman Ron Paul. In good conscious, how could you not? It is indeed time for people to vote. We actually have a candidate this year that will BENEFIT this country and someone who reflects the popular opinion of the citizens--the war has to end. If you are not registered to vote, I believe you can go to the U.S. Post Office to get a voter registration card free of charge. Your vote really does count.

You can say that Ron Paul's supporters tipping every internet poll is spam, but you can't say that about the money we've donated and you can't say it about the support we can show on the ground. Its time to face up to the fact that the polls tell you nothing. Remember What Penn & Teller told us to say to Frank Luntz?

Good for this reporter who is actually describing something he *sees* (at least, that is how I read the article) and not some meaningless recycled fluff.
It's common knowledge, or will be very soon, that the polls are so carefully crafted to put establishment candidates higher that they no longer represent the opinions of the people.

When you see the background crowds of any candidate other than Ron Paul, you can read their faces and body enthusiasm as "look at me...I am American, and participating in the democratic process...I think...right?...yay...(clap)....(clap).....I don't know this person, and they don't know me or care about me, but who cares...(clap)....(cough)...(look at watch)...(look around the room at the lost sheeple)....(clap)"

But when the RON PAUL show is in town...the people jump and shout.
What a fine tribute to a great man.

Ron Paul must get on the ballot for this fall. He is the only Republican that can beat a Democrat. Otherwise I don't think the American public will allow another Rupublican WhiteHouse for awhile.

Ron Paul is the best candidate. His message is spreading like lightening. The American people are behind him, the corrupt media hates him.

It's time to take our country back. If there is no election fraud he will win.

Go Ron Paul! We love you man!

Ron Paul R[EVOL]ution

I heard Ron Paul speak on Meet the Press, and although Tim Russet tried to paint a negative picture of Dr. Paul with the types of questions Russet asked him, Dr. Paul was articulate and answered those difficult questions without flinching an eyebrow. When asked the question about "earmarks" for his congressional district, Dr. Paul calmly replied that he represented his district faithfully and those items he earmarked were one way to retrieve the tax dollars the feds took from his constituents. This made a lot of sense to me.
Why shouldn't tax dollars work for American infrastructure rather than support foreign wars for the military/industrial complex to make their profits while we hardworking Americans are taxed and our country's trillion dollar deficit economy literally belongs to China. At least Dr. Paul is committed to the American people not to corporate and foreign interests.

Dan Campbell, thank you for your service to our nation.

However, you're simply wrong about Paul. There are no rich elitists supporting Paul, all of his money came from hardworking average joes across the country. The average donation was $90 last quarter.

The anti-war left is trying to exploit Dr. Paul's campaign. Paul doesn't share their views and has repeatedly denounced them. Many Paul supporters such as myself do not espouse the anti-war left views. Paul supports a strong national defense and he voted to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan. Huckabee doesn't even support border security, which Paul does.

We've been in the Middle East for six years now. It's obvious that these people don't want freedom and democracy. Why keep forcing it upon them? Besides, that's not what our original mission was. We all supported going after the terrorists but we don't support nation-building and trying to Westernize a region that has been in turmoil for generations.

To Baltimore Sun,

Thanks for providing another "on the ground" anecdote that is illuminating. Most in media seem to have missed or ignored common sense observations such as this. They may be telling and the Sun will belatedly get credit for picking up on them when others didn't.

Thanks!

Huckabee's support and poll numbers are fake and trumped up. He is under the control of the CFR/Haas now...so anything bad can happen.

It's not like he went from 3% to double digits on his own, he has NO MONEY!

Someone is funding him, advising him, someone who wants control over even the 'dark horse'.

Maybe the religious nutcases in Iowa will vote for him but after Iowa and NH the CFR will drop him like a rock...after they have used him for their own purposes, which is 'anybody but Paul'

The public is onto this crap, and we're not taking it anymore.

Hey Holly…I am glad you expressed your views and your concerns, especially about our foreign policy.
First, let’s consider the fact that this country has been involved with an interventionist foreign policy for over 109 years and in over 200 countries. It may surprise you, but this country has intervened into the affairs of Iraq for 87 years.

The question is: are we any safer and what have been the benefits of such intervention? Well, it has certainly benefited the big military contractors, it has definitely benefited big government, it has benefited big banking and big oil, and let’s not leave out big business; it has not however, benefited the people of this country in any distinguishing manner, nor has it provided real security for this country. You would think that we would have seen positive results if such a policy really worked as the government says it does, but it doesn’t.

Concerning Israel, well, we send just as much foreign aid, weapons and intelligence to the enemies of Israel as we do to Israel. We also tie the hands of the Israelis when it comes to defending their land because of our own political expediency. Israel is well equipped to handle any attack on their own and they probably possess over 200 or more nuclear warheads besides their extremely well-trained military.

Concerning Ron Paul’s desire to return to a Constitutional Foundation; that’s one of the most rational decisions this country could make if we wish to survive as a free nation. Look around at the issues and problems that face this country; where did those problems come from? If you look at the writings of the Founders you will see that they warned us about most of the things we now face because the government deviated from the simple blueprint of the Constitution. Ron Paul doesn’t want to gut the government, as much as to remove the parasitic diseased parts that have been attached to it over the decades and return it to a very efficient, very rational and stream-lined government of the people’s consent.

Concerning the radical Islamists, if you look at a time-line when we began seeing very direct attacks it will correspond exactly with our establishment of bases on the Arabian Peninsula during the first Gulf War; since that time we have established nearly 20 other bases throughout the region. Now, bin Laden warned us back in the early 90’s that our presence within what they consider their holy land was an act of aggression toward their land and their religion, but we, in all our self-righteousness, ignored those warnings and we have and will pay the price for such Hubris. I an guarantee you this, if we don’t leave that region we will not only continue to be attacked, but the attacks will become far more frequent and far more devastating. Eventually, this foreign policy will prove that it is not only wrong, but dangerous to our future safety. If you and your family wish to live in a fortress from now into the unforeseen future then by all means support someone who wants to continue with an interventionist foreign policy, the same foreign policy that we have used for 109 years without any good results, but if you want to actually defend this nation, this land and your family then vote for Ron Paul.

Did you know that our very own CIA, with the help of the University of Nebraska created ultra-radical Islamic textbooks to send to Afghanistan back in the late 70’s and 80’s and those books are still being used by the Islamists to enflame there people. Did you know that our own government allowed over 30 MAK [later al Qaeda] offices to open up and operate in this country back in the 80’s. The other information is just as damning and has caused this country so much more trouble with the Islamists around the world then it helped. How can such actions and policies benefit us? It can’t, and the problem is that we are still doing things like that. A recent article stated that our own government is now providing weapons and training to the FATAH “governing body” in Palestine, but what they don’t tell us is that within FATAH are also members of the Al Asqa Martyrs Brigade who continues to reek terror on Israel and within the region. Why? Why would we make the same mistake with FATAH as we did when we supported bin Laden and the Afghani Mujahadeen?

Ron Paul has stated that we are now doing the same thing in Pakistan as we did in Iran back in the 70’s. We are supporting another “Shah” just like we did in Iran, but this time it is Pakistan and it will end up the same way. Pakistan will end up falling to the hands of extremists despite all our intervention, all our foreign and military aid. We tend to back the wrong person with the wrong ideas and it appears that no one gets it, well except for Ron Paul. The other candidates take the same position that has been taken for decades and it will end up the same way it has always ended up: a disaster for the people involved and a danger for this country.

It is time to once again put American and Americans First, defend this country instead of wasting hundreds of billions of dollars that we have to borrow trying to defend all these other nations.

With all our technology, will all the multiple billions spent on defense we still could not defend our own shores on 9/11. Korea, Germany, and Japan were more defended by our military then we were on that fateful and horrible day, why?

PhilR8 -- the Brunch is not FOX, the closed forum at night is. The Brunch, which he will attend, is NH GOP. That's at 11 AM.

The World is watching this election.

I'm in Vancouver BC- and the Ron Paul enthusiasm is found even here.

I haven't been this excited (about anything ) in a long time.

Go Ron Paul!

"It's a very sad day in America when people are not mature enough or educated enough on foreign affairs to think that isolationism is anything other than an exercise in suicide and hands a license for the evil in the world to do as they will to the innocent."

It's a very sad day in America when people aren't smart enough to recognize the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.

Ron Paul supported by the rich? I almost fell off my stool laughing. No one can give more than $2300 so how is that rich? He doesn't take corporate money and isn't being steered by the sinister CFR... that's why Huckabee suddenly got this media attention he attributes to 'god'. What a crock.

It's amazing that the new world order atheits are using Huckabee to fish in the religious to their one world government ideas.

Romney - Bain Capital - Communist China ?

Pleeeease! I just want someone smart to be President, just this once, OK?

Ron Paul is the only sane choice for America.

One thing I find interesting about the groundswell of Paul support is that some large proportion of these supporters must also have supported President Stupid when he started this ill-conceived, reckless disaster of a war. Seems to me a majority of the country, and an overwhelming majority of the Republicant Party, supported this fiasco before it started. Where'd all those people go?

Is this groundswell a bunch of unprincipled rats abandoning the sinking ship that is the Republicant Party, or were there simply a large number of true libertarians who didn't make their opposition to The War known at first. Methinks the former possibility is much more probable.

I'm curious, though. If you're a Paul supporter, please go ahead a weigh in with whether you opposed The War in the first place.

"Shame on you for thumbing your noses at what can not be ignored."

Yes, shame on you those who choose not to make matters, worse and kill more people!

Shame on you who deny the glory of Pax Americana.

Dan Campbell...

I am an Old, Old Conservative Republican who has lived through the administrations of 11 Presidents and I am voting for Ron Paul because he holds to the Old Republican Platform as expressed in 1952...read it for yourself.

Ron Paul is the most Conservative candidate running and wants to actually defend this country instead of all the other nations around the world.

"I'm curious, though. If you're a Paul supporter, please go ahead a weigh in with whether you opposed The War in the first place"

First of all the War was against Bin Ladin in Afghanistan not in Iraq.

"I'm curious, though. If you're a Paul supporter, please go ahead a weigh in with whether you opposed The War in the first place"

First of all the War was against Bin Ladin in Afghanistan not in Iraq.

Sergeant Campbell's comments are a textbook example of the irreparable damage that has been done to the conservative movement through eight years of George W Bush and the neocon cabal that has made policy since 9/11.

For the Campbells of the world, conservatism apparently means endless wars, justified on the most spurious grounds, pursued obsessively by a leadership characterized by hubris and impervious to any evidence that contradicts policy. It is a simple mind that attributes opposition to these Wilsonian crusades as "liberal." I happen to think true conservatives can act rationally. This Reagan conservative will be voting for Ron Paul.

Jim in DC

I think Mike Huckabee will be one of America's next Great Communicators - like Ronald Wilson Reagan.

America meet, Mike Huckabee the next President of the United States who will lead the modern-day conservative political movement to a great victory! It might be the great battle of evil (Hillary) vs. good (Mike) Race in America in 2008.

Who better knows among the GOP how to battle Hillary than one guy who is from Hope, AR. The same hometown as the infamous Bill Clinton. A state that is democratic controlled, He won as Governor twice among the democrats.

Huckabee is recognized as a national leader, Governing Magazine named him as one of its ‘Public Officials of the Year’ for 2005, Time Magazine honored him as one of the five best governors in America, and later in the same year, Huckabee received the American Association of Retired Person’s Impact Award. Huckabee is past chairman of the National Governors’ Association (NGA) and chairman of the Education Commission of the States.

As former chairman of the Interstate Oil & Gas Compact Commission, Huckabee worked with the 37-state coalition to develop energy policy and lobby Congress on energy matters, such as the regulation of oil and gas production. He also is known nationally for his focus on technology in state government. He created an automobile license renewal system that’s become a model for states across the country. Huckabee directed the creation of other advancements that have made Arkansas a technology leader among the states.

The efforts of over four hundred plus “dedicated” bloggers who had committed to circulating and defending Huckabee’s reputation in the blogosphere continues to grow.

Who better knows how to communicate to the American People than Mike Huckabee?
What he might lack in money and experience in foreign policy, he will make up in communication, honesty, commitment and shear intellect.

A guy that we all can trust, and a guy who will not lie............unlike the infamous Clintons. A guy from the very same hometown as the slick willie, BUT 180 degrees different. From the same state, but opposite in every way.

Not like the endless trail of lies, and scandals, and women that the infamous Clinton's have left America!

American is sick of the Clintons and this man will bring a Great Change! At least we won't have to worry about our National Treasures and Computers being stolen from the White House when he leaves.

We Love Mike Huckabee

To Holly Bush - If Israel is a friend and ally and you think we should go to war for them, then why did they attack our our ship USS Liberty in 1967, killing 34 Americans and wounding 171.

The only reason Huckabee got any attention was because first of all, Ron Paul was hardly allowed to speak during the last Republican debate - leaving Huckabee room to steal Ron Paul's campaign platform about abolishing the IRS. So Huckabee is just riding on Ron Paul's creative mind, getting cheers for Ron Paul's ideas.

Jason, you should probably do a little more research next time before you post. While you are correct that Ron Paul's office on the First floor of the Des Moines building is a bit larger than Huckabee's first floor office, The Huckabee Headquarters are also upstairs on the Third floor of the Des Moines Building with far more office space than Ron Paul's headquarters downstairs.
On the Third floor office Huckabee has a 40 person phone bank, a research center, meeting rooms and staff offices.

I think you should consider revising your post based on your misleading information.

If the media really wanted to know the truth about current voter sentiment, they would conduct scientific studies.

Polls are not even junk science, they aren't science at all. They are completely worthless and irrelevant to the question of how the American public is going to vote.

While I despise it, I congratulate the American federal government in successfully deliberately dumbing down the American public so that they unquestioningly accept poll results as accurate, truthful, and meaningful.

I encourage all Americans with an interest in the truth to study statistics, even if only at an elementary school level, to realize that the polls have nothing to do with what voters are thinking and everything with what the poll sponsors are telling the voters to think.

For the record, the latest and greatest poll just conducted showed Dr. Paul at an astounding 100% of the people sitting in my chair. In another leading poll that neglected to include Ron Paul in the options, all of the other candidates got an amazing zero percent (empty chair). Anyone else want to conduct some polls?

I'll be curious what will happen to these Ron Paul nuts when he comes in 3rd or 4th in a couple of consecutive primaries. Do you go to McCain, Huckleberry, Willard?...Who's left?

Posted by: weinerdog43 | January 2, 2008 10:37 AM

Unlike the drool-cup voters who vote for whoever the media tell them is winning, Ron Paul supporters will continue to vote right down to the last primary. So, while the dufus neocon-enablers stay home and drool in front of the tv and taking their soma, Ron Paul supporter will be on the upswing and Iowa can go back to being one of the last states people think about.

Concerning Israel, well, we send just as much foreign aid, weapons and intelligence to the enemies of Israel as we do to Israel. We also tie the hands of the Israelis when it comes to defending their land because of our own political expediency. Israel is well equipped to handle any attack on their own and they probably possess over 200 or more nuclear warheads besides their extremely well-trained military.

Posted by: Republicae

Yeh, they were so apt at defending "their" land that Hezbollah blew them out of the water in Southern Lebanon after Israeli soldiers were so brave and murdered women and children and wiped out a whole town of civilians. The Israeli Defense Forces are great at mowing down defenseless protesters (Rachel Corrie) or shooting from afar, but when it comes to real combat, their land-stealing cowardice shows its real colors. That's why, Dear Readers, Israel uses our American soldiers to fight its wars, to cleanup the Middle East so it can survive alone. Israel is a racist nation promoting itself and the survival of its own people at the expense of all others. Keep in mind, they actually believe they are "the chosen." DISCLAIMER: I mean no disrespect to Jews of principle and moral truth. My comments have to do with the Zionist policies of Israel that have been a thorn in the side of peace for the last 60 years.

The same ethnocentric philosophy that spawned the superiority of the Aryan race and Nazism is again rearing its ugly head in the form of Zionism and the "chosen".

By the way, let's have all Christians return to Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Nazareth since Christ was a Jew. NOT, Israel won't let you.

The greatest feat in Dr. Paul’s amazing performances may not be what has been witnessed by the masses, but what has been hidden from them. For this record breaking candidate has attained this profound notoriety while being virtually censored by every major news establishment, including the Republican party.
Ron Paul is certainly the most magical presidential candidate in the race by far. Yet, he owes his accomplishments to genuine transparency and honesty, not sleight of hand. If he fails to produce a top tier finish right before your very eyes, it will only demonstrate that the prodigious conjuring of the American media has trumped him with a spellbinding illusion that he was simply no match for. Wake up America…..
Take the poll…Is Fox fair and balanced?

http://surveyg2.pollingpoint.com/v3r7RgTsGXrhg8

Dr. Paul should be included in all debates PERIOD…

Dr. Ron Paul in 2008

a blinkin,

Yes, I opposed the war in the first place because there was no Congressional Declaration of War.

I don't consider the Iraq Resolution equivalent. It was a farce.

1. We shouldn't go to war to enforce UN Security Resolutions.

2. The Congress were derelict in their duty and their votes were conveniently political. They could vote for the Iraq Resolution and look strong on the "War on Terror" without actually sending troops into combat. Since Bush was the one making the decision to determine whether Iraq was in violation of the UN Resolutions and/or a danger to National Security, if the war went badly, they could backpeddle and say they weren't for committing the military at that time. Of course this splits the country and it becomes known as Bush's war. No war we ever fight should ever be thought of as "The Presidents War".

3. The Founders belief was that the awesome responsibility of going to war should rest with the branch of government closest to the people, the Congress. There should be debate and then the Congress taking full responsibilty and accountability. Anything less is illegal.

Anyone who voted for the Iraq Resolution is as guilty as the Bush Admin for this mess.

4. Ron Paul did NOT vote for the Iraq War Resolution and pleaded for a debate and Constitutionally authorized Congressional Declaration of War. If that had occurred, the war would not have.

You are welcome for my service to those who thanked me. It is all of our duty to protect America.

Which is why I urge you all to think about the consequences of withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan. We already played that card in Vietnam, and what did that do for us and the S. Vietnamese? Nothing. We gave up; or rather our country gave up on us and the people of Vietnam.

Let’s not do that again. We owe it to everyone to win this war. Forget not, that they carefully and deceitfully crashed jetliners full of men, women, and children into our skyscrapers. Americans jumped to their death from hundreds of floors up, or were destroyed by complete annihilation. And you want to follow Ron Paul in the march to giving up?

Not me. They didn't kill my people to have me cower under a rock and shake. Mike Huckabee told the world simply, the enemy is not interested in a peaceful co-existence with us. They are calling for the complete destruction of Israel, the United States and her allies.

You may all be cowards, but I will defend this country with a butter knife if that’s all I had. I am willing to do anything it takes to protect America, which means supporting Mike Huckabee for President of the United States.

Dan Campbell
Sgt., USMC

Thanks for reporting the truth.

It amazes me that people still rely solely on the polls, when their record is so poor.

Look at the fundraising. Look at the grassroots support. Ron Paul is leading everyone, regardless of what the polls say.

I guess we won't have to keep pounding this into people's heads after the next 7 days, when Ron Paul finishes in the top 3 in Iowa AND New Hampshire.

If we continue to let the Constitution be trampled upon, soon we will have nothing!!
Help us, Obi-Ron.. You are our only Hope!

If God is for Dr. Paul, who can be against him? No one thought David had a chance either, but Goliath died and David became king. I too am hoping and praying for a Ron Paul presidency.

Ron Paul is one of the few, if not the only candidate that knows there has ben a failure of understanding the issues when it comes to this enemy, understanding his reasonings, his motivations. There are several informative books, difficult to get, but well worth the hunt if you are lucky to find them. One was written by Abdallah Azzam, founder of Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK-which would come to be known as al Qaeda), the book is indispensable in understanding this enemy: “The Main Obligation of Muslims is to Defend the Land of Islam”. Osama bin Laden was extremely influenced by Azzam and his book, however, it appears that it has rarely been read by many Westerners, especially those who are attempting to wage this “war on terror”. If they had read it then they would know several things about this enemy, the first is that “he” is driven by a devout, one could say fanatical connection with Islamic territory and Islamic “holy places”. The second is that they view many of the current regimes in the region as de facto supporters of U.S. policies in the region because they have allowed the U.S. to establish bases on what they consider holy ground.

Of course, it did not help the entire situation that the U.S. government allowed over 30 MAK branches to operate under their noses for years, collecting millions of dollars in donations from the American Muslim community during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

Now, if we actually look at a time-line of when the ultra-radicalization and indeed the beginning of attacks against U.S. targets, we will find that there is a very direct correlation between our introduction of troops stationed in and around the Arabian peninsula and those attacks. Yes, there were sporadic attacks prior to this period, but primarily by those who had Palestinian connections. If you recall, the majority of the Arab world was pleased that we intervened in the case of Kuwait however, it was that intervention that opened the door for the U.S. to pursue a very different policy in the region. That policy, perhaps all along, was to establish a strong presence in the region and in Central Asia. Whatever the reasons behind the implementation of that policy it consolidated several factions of Islamic fundamentalists who had felt completely powerless against everyone from the Soviets in Afghanistan, to Israel, to the U.S., into a force with a common goal, a common focus and a common enemy. That enemy was none other then the most conspicuous threat to Islam that they saw: The United States of America.
The U.S. policy that engaged the establishment of those bases in the region not only provided a focal point for decades of rage, but it became the collective focus of Islamic hatred. While there was a definite push toward radicalization due to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, it was the establishment of U.S. military bases that actually provided the radicals with the impetus to form and execute their radical ideals in the region and then around the world. At one time, the Mujahidin movement was relatively restricted to Afghanistan, but soon, with the new focus of perceived U.S. aggression in the region, that movement spread to Bosnia, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan and now, thanks to our poorly executed invasion: Iraq. It continues to spread because the perceived threat remains.
Many seem to fail to understand that the core message of the Islamic extremists is that Islam is threatened by the presence and actions of the United States. It probably would surprise many, but according to several Intel reports, and reports from former al Qaeda members, new green recruits are not indoctrinated in the Koran, but their indoctrination involves what they call the Sixth Pillar of Islam, which states that when Islam is threatened and attacked that it is the moral obligation of all Muslims to rise to its defense. The destruction of al’Qaeda’s base of operation in Afghanistan and the fall of the Taliban only served to fan the flames of the extremist and expand their recruitment methods and reach. We would have done much better to have quietly and surgically taken bin Laden and his cohorts out then to have actually invaded. That would have cut off the head of the snake and then it would have been much easier to contain the radicalization of Islamist in the region.
Our current Islamophobia blinds us to a very important reality about why they despise the U.S. and why they will continue to attack us. One of the truly amazing things about our current “war on terror” and U.S. intervention is the fact that it is so unfocused and poorly executed. In particular our early actions in Afghanistan proved far less effective then our government publicized and propagandized to the American public.
Americans do not have the taste or the stomach for extended warfare, we never have. Nor do we tend to have the philosophical or political fortitude to engage an enemy, particularly this enemy, over an extremely prolonged period. On the other hand, the enemy we are now engaging is well aware of the requirements of patience and the advantages of playing their agenda over the long haul. Theirs is a philosophy that requires endurance in the face of their enemies and in their patience they strategize accordingly. We falsely assume, thanks to the Bush Administration’s insistence, that since this country has not been attacked since 9/11 that our government’s defense methods are working however, that assumption is based upon highly irrational assessments and miscalculations. Remember, this enemy is very, very patient and chooses his actions based upon a very determined course of action, not, as some portray, emotionalism.

While the Bush Administration made a point to publicize the defeat of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the routing of al Qaeda as a victory, the truth points to a far less decisive outcome. Long before the attacks of 9/11, al Qaeda proceeded to remove all but skeleton encampments from the region, by the time we attacked the country most of the Taliban and al Qaeda had disappeared into the Pashtun tribal areas of Pakistan and other Central Asian countries. We were told that bin Laden was surely in a tunnel in Tora Bora, unfortunately for the Administration, bin Ladin had, in my opinion, left Afghanistan long before the invasion, probably through Karachi and probably on a private jet belonging to one of the Royal Saudi princes.

The battles of Tora Bora and Shahi Kowt did nothing but allow the remaining skeleton encampments to slip over the border into Pakistan…our ally in this extremely poorly planned and executed “war on terror”. Such intervention obviously serves a political purpose because it is definitely not serving a military purpose. It is not producing the results that this government claims even though they are outspoken in those claims. In the end, we will see that the results in both Iraq and Afghanistan will not only fail to produce the stated results this government has espoused, but will fail to add any security to this nation and its people.

Our leadership in this country has one of the most myopic mentalities that I haven’t witnessed since the Johnson Administrations. It appears to be oblivious to the potential results of its actions, both here at home and abroad. Bush lead this country to war, both in Afghanistan and Iraq, based upon very dubious assumptions and it shows.
Our actions, based upon those dubious assumptions will eventually cause the complete failure of the Bush goals in both countries. That failure is already becoming very evident in Iraq and Afghanistan. We will, in the end, lose both efforts to the Bush/Cheney myopia.

The Bush Administration either dismissed or failed to listen to experienced counsel on the possible effects of not only the invasions, but also occupations of those countries and there was plenty of experienced voices warning that there was a distinct probability of eventual failure. Our intelligence community had almost a decade of direct experience in Afghanistan from running one of the largest covert actions in our country’s history while combating the Soviets, yet the Bush Administration blatantly ignored those with that extensive experience. We are, in essence, making the same mistakes that the Soviets made in Afghanistan, and the same mistakes that the British made in Iraq.

We have “installed” Westernized and backed governments in both countries and in a very real way we have attempted to install a Westernized culture on both countries in hopes that it would eventually pacify the Muslim populations. It is however, counterintuitive to attempt such actions without understanding the culture itself and this Administration simply continues on the same path that it ignorantly assumes will work.

Our leaders, who have both misjudged and miscalculated, not only our enemy, but also the effects of our policies around the world and especially in the Middle East and Central Asian countries.
Many see this “war” as a chess game, with strategic moves and counter-moves. The issue and the problem, for 109 years, has been that this country has played its foreign policy just like a chess game. Unfortunately, in a chess game there is a definite “known”, given moves and strategies designed specifically for those moves; that is not true in international relations or successful foreign policies intent on providing this country with adequate and appropriate security.

This country has made what its “wise” leaders consider strategic moves, just like in chess, but those moves have been, for the most part, based upon isolated actions and reactions while not taking into account that such moves always have consequences that can potentially nullify the move or make the move lose its potential value or in a worse case scenario: cost far more than if the move had never been made in the first place.

This government has been involved in a type of piece-meal strategy based upon an almost purely military arrogance that has prevailed in this country for decades and that strategy is not only severely outdated, but stagnant, extremely conventional and based on assumptions that can no longer be relied upon. At one time our military might was enough to keep, at least in the strange mental world of our government leaders, the rest of the world “in line” with what they considered U.S. interests, but that is no longer the case. First, there is no real definition of our national interests, only a very indistinct and broad definition that inherently creates a large degree of obscuration. On top of all of that, there is a conglomeration of mismatched analysis combined with the pressure of political and special interests that has, particularly in the last 7 years, produced far less reliable information than is required. In many cases, the information has been either willfully ignored or dismissed without proper consideration by those who are the “decision makers” in this government.

This may sound odd, but in numerous cases this governments preconceptions have, because of certain internal ideologies, colored the policies and actions taken by this government without consideration of the consequences of those actions. In many ways, judged by the decisions of this government, it has deliberately shelved proper policy and action for that which they consider much more suitable for their ideological point of view. This has proved, time and again, disastrous and it is still going on in this government.
Ron Paul is not advocating a policy that ignores potential threats, but he has stated that it is time that this government put away the shortsighted policies that make this nation a target for any enemy or potential enemy. He has also advocated that this government take a far wiser approach to both foreign policy and our interventions, both covert and overt. He has advocated the necessity of understanding our enemies, their motives and therefore their potential actions based upon those motives. From my reading of Ron Paul, he takes a very sober viewpoint and advocates that this country do the same because if it ignores the provocation of its policies then it will continue to suffer the consequences of those provocations.

History is filled with polices that we now mimic and unfortunately, the outcome of those historic polices either proved to be militarily disastrous or financially disastrous or both. Most countries that pursued almost identical polices as we now pursue eventually collapsed from external conquest or internal economic and political collapse that lead to external conquest. If we are so arrogant to believe that we are different then the great empires, the great civilization of the past then we are in for a very rude and very hard reality.

Our leaders have poorly defined its foreign policy and haphazardly pursued a foreign policy that is not based upon actual defense of this country, but upon a view of broadly and extended interests. Until we limit our foreign policy and its actions to a purely defensive base then we can expect even more attacks, more threats and more terrorism.

It is interesting that we rarely hear that the Jihad proposed by bin Laden is considered defensive in nature, by the tenants of Islam. We have been induced into believing that they are just attacking us because of a non-descript reason relating to our way of life or our freedom, etc. That suggestion is not only based upon a politically induced and propagated fantasy by this Administration, but on the assumption that the American public will wholly accept and swallow such a ridiculous, and I might add, baseless proposition. Until we can face the reality behind the attacks and threats of this “war on terrorism”, then we will continue down the path that has brought more failures over the last 45 or 50 years than successes. It is time to defend, really defend this country for a change.
Ron Paul has not only been absolutely correct in his assessments about the foreign policy foibles of this government, but has predicted most of the resulting blowback of such policies over the years.

Pro America Pro Constitution Ron Paul 08 Ticket

if you think you're a realist, do you think that mainstream media adds to your reality? i think you should make your own reality, with no msm influence.

ron paul is an idealist. our nation's founding fathers were idealist. do you want your country built by media, or a country built on ideals. Ron Paul is the answer and the notion is catching on.

RP'08!!!

By emphasizing his qualification for office as a “Christian leader,” the Huckabee campaign, however, has implicitly, and some of his supporters have explicitly, promoted a religious test for office. This threatens to tear this religious coalition apart. And if evangelical Christians legitimize a religious test for public office, they will pay the heaviest price. The liberal elites have long sought to drive people of faith from the public square. They view Mormons as a curiosity, like Christians on steroids, but they loath and fear evangelicals. If a religious test is legitimate for public office, then the Democrats will drive evangelicals out of our democracy.

So will the Huckabee campaign be the stake in the heart of the Reagan coalition? It is apparent that the Democrat National Committee hopes so, as Huckabee has largely escaped their criticism. Mitt Romney, however, has been the focal point of their attacks. That is because he is a full-spectrum conservative who will reunite the Reagan coalition. This is the Republican voter’s choice, are we to unite together, or will some of us simply “go by the wayside?”

With the way the U.S. has been heading and being manipulated by the MSM and others I can't believe they would pass up a once in a lifetime opportunity like Ron Paul. Finally, and at the last minute, a sensible man,with no hidden agenda, willing to set your country back on its foundation. Surely Americans will wake up now and seize this wonderful chance. Americans...Please vote Ron Paul and let common sense prevail.

Concerning our foreign policy of interventionism...I have to wonder just how long we thought we could stick our hands into a den of vipers without them striking back and biting us?

Concerning our monetary policy...I have to wonder just how long we will put faith in a currency that is totally backed by debt and nothing more?

Concerning our border security...I have to wonder just how long this government will say it is interested in the security of this nation while allowing our borders and ports to remain as open as a sieve?

Concerning our rights...I have to wonder how long will will continue to allow this government to use any excuse or pretext to abridge, restrict or qualify our rights and liberty?

Concerning our government...I have to wonder how long they think they can govern without our consent and disregard the will of the people?

Concerning the media...I have to wonder how long we will allow their pandering to influence our decisions?

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008!

We are living in the Matrix.
A socialistic corrupted government that manipulates the populace through facsit media links.
Its time for a revolution.

RON PAUL REVOLUTON 2008

Chris,
Its a sad day in America when you ignore the evil of your own nation's policies abroad and try and shift the evil to the group wanting the bombs to stop falling. Your twisting of the argument is pure Satan.. if there is such a thing.

"It's a very sad day in America when people are not mature enough or educated enough on foreign affairs to think that isolationism is anything other than an exercise in suicide and hands a license for the evil in the world to do as they will to the innocent.

Shame on you for thumbing your noses at what can not be ignored."

No, shame on YOU and your sanctimonious polemic. What gives you the right to tell us we should sacrifice our blood and treasure by presumptuously interfering in the affairs of others? Do you honestly think our meddling overseas is "making the world safe for democracy," as you globalist interventionists like to say? Oh, and ever mind that we're a constitutional republic and not a democracy.

Here's my suggestion to you: if you want to play kumbaya with an AR-15, have at it. Do all the nation building you want. Get your sorry ass on an airplane with your own weapons and supplies, and have at it. Good luck to you, sucker.

Go Ron Paul ... sometimes no matter how hard they try to stop a people's candidate, the momentum washes over their sand castles and covers all the doo doo. Tell Aunt Huckabee, Opey don't play that game!

If the voting machines are rigged...what then... how would we even know?

I've always leanded towards the Libertarian party due to view similarities. This is the first time I'll vote republican.

Well considering that Ron Paul relies on rabid libertarians who have not had a purist to support in decades, at least since Taft... does not surprise me at all.

Huckabee has been far more effective connecting to voters, most of whom have jobs and support a family.

Anti war folks have always been on the militant side anyways (no pun intended).

The more I read the newspapers and listen to the talking heads, the more I agree with Ron Paul. I hope he wins the Iowa caucus and causes a media frenzy.

Huckabee and Mitt are both a joke and neither has any chance of beating the two leading Democratic candidates.
Huckabee has no foreign policy experience, yet all of his supporters are talking about how he will be tough on terror. Ron Paul is the most intelligent candidate to run for office in the last few decades. This is evident by hearing any of his lectures on economics or foreign policy. He can actually back up his views with historical context, which is something I haven't seen any other politician on either side. Will he win any of the primaries? I would say he'll do much better than predicted,but frankly many Americans need to pick up a history book (no, not the ones fed to your kids in public high schools) before they will be able to understand his positions. If Ron Paul does too well in the primaries, I fear for anyone standing too close to him...

Ron Paul is the most "pro-defense" candidate among the Republicans this coming election. Mainstream America needs to wake up to the fact that if pro-gun Americans can't carry a concealed weapon, then we are at vastly greater increased odds of YET ANOTHER decentralized attack from a terrorist cell. Individual gun owners are our white blood cell "first responders" and PREVENTERS of terrorist attack. By the time the military or the police arrive, it is simply time to cart away the body bags, or sift through the ashes. Moreover, the USA is weak and open to attack from ALL foreign enemies if our economy is in complete decline, and our paper dollar is weak. Ron Paul is the only candidate who wants us to be TOO STRONG, and TOO INDEPENDENT to fall victim to foreign attack. He is also the only candidate that favors the individual freedoms I have come to love (and to regularly exercise): like freedom of speech and freedom of thought. Huckabee is a theocrat (as are the al-qaeda), and a socialist when it comes to medicine. I prefer freedom of thought and medical freedom! The last thing I want is an AMA doctor OR a government bureacrat limiting what I can eat to keep my own body healthy. I own my own body! McCain and Thompson both want to muzzle me from speaking my opinion before an election, with assaults on the first amendment like "McCain-Feingold". Therefore, the only acceptable, mainstream, (non-Libertarian Party) choice in 2008 is RON PAUL. Ron Paul's only failing is that he is "pro-life" (anti-woman's right to her own body). Well, fine, but at least his federalism (true federalism, not like the phony federalism of Thompson or Giuliani) keeps that portion of his ideology from entering the arena of political effectiveness. And even if he were successful in somehow restricting abortion, he'd still be the ONLY choice that respects ANY of the fist 10 Amendments to our Constitution. That said, I'm voting for Ron Paul in '08!

I, too, have never sent money to a presidential candidate--until now.

Further, I have never asked for a Republican ballot in a primary before(and I vote in EVERY election).

But I will do so in Somerville, Massachusetts 02143 this February 5th, (polls open at 0700 EST) regardless of the outcomes in Iowa or New Hampshire or anywhere else.

You who are hoping and praying for a Ron Paul presidency should be VOTING for one as well, as none of this talk matters unless you go to the polling places and CAST YOUR VOTE.

And fear not... it WILL NOT BE A WASTED VOTE, for the only WASTED vote is one that is not cast!

73
JAR

Ron Paul in 2008!

Governor Huckabee to be the 44th President of the United States!

This man is for the people of this great nation. Mike Huckabee not only has my vote, he also has my commitment to help make America a better place.

I would follow Mike anywhere, because I know he will make the best decisions for our country.

I support Mike Huckabee with all my heart!

Dan Campbell
Sgt., USMC

WoW - All these comments in one day! Something very big is happening here!

I was against the war from the begining and Ron Paul is our best hope.

Today will be the day that Paul finally translates those donations into votes. Maybe he can win. Maybe these two news groups FOX and ABC merely wish for RP not to have any effect on the outcome they feel will be. Just because they "feel" like he should not win doesn't mean he can't. Feelings about the size of the space of the debate just sound like Dukakis wishy washy sentimentality, hoping that they can change the outcome by pretending not to notice the actual outcome. I think watching FOX react to the outcome will be a comedy. Maybe they will inspire all kinds of humor for the late night talk shows as well on NBC and CBS. Maybe they could lose out on maintaining viewership. Somebody must be losing sleep over there, or do they know something the rest of us don't. As much as they might think that the game maybe up, they might have do a good bit of wiggling if the fat lady says otherwise, and besides, maybe this has only begun, maybe the rest of the country should also have a say in whom maybe selected rather than a few states and the the people that run the antiquated TV networks that wish otherwise. Maybe we are just gettting warmed up, can you hear that sound, it's the sound of tossing and turning going on at all the other contenders bedrooms as they wonder what they will do when Paul plasters a big grin for the cameras and they have to look like nothing big has happened, and maybe they will realize in their minds that something actually finally has happened that never occured to them could happen. Maybe Paul will win today and maybe that will be a sign of a new era, a more responsible and mature era of individual soverignty.

The polls are wrong every year without fail. Why would anyone trust the poll numbers? Um... deception anyone?

Ron Paul! rEVOLUTION!!!

I can't wait to see the look on all of Ron Paul's supporters faces when they realize that they have collectively donated (so far) almost 20 million dollars in vain. Can you really think that Ron Paul's numbers are REALLY skewed, even when the most reliable pollsters such as Rasmussen still have him at the bottom of the race? Although I must say I don't agree that Ron Paul should be excluded from the debates. Please don't hide him from America. Let them see for themselves why he NEVER belongs in charge of this country.

If I had responsibility for issuing press credentials for President Paul, FOX and ABC would get seats in the back of the room - if at all. They would be more suited to provide coverage in Cuba.

I actually got polled... kind of. The phone bot went through a list of candidates I could pick, Ron Paul was #6. I pushed 6, but she just kept on talking. Fortunately, I had a voice recorder for my phone. As I scrambled to get it hooked up and turned on, the bot went through another iteration of the options (I wasn't paying attention because I was busy). I had the recorder on for the third listing of the options, but this time, #6 wasn't Ron Paul anymore, it was "Other." So basically, I chose Ron Paul, and the poll ignored me and gave me a new poll where I couldn't choose Ron Paul! :(

In Ron We Trust!

It is Amazing to me that the media is fighting against the
very freedom that Ron Paul stands for called Bill of Rights that allows them to do
TV,radio,new paper ext: where did they get there right to what the do sound like they should stand up and do the RIGHT THING. It is there freedom and country at stack here too and TELL THE TRUTH !

Amendment One

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Funny how many different Ron Paul posters there are and how many for the Huckster? Like three total and one of them three times. What a joke that guy is... not a funny one.

To Holly...speaking of Israel, the BBC just reported that the 1976 hijacking of an Israeli plane to Entebbe, Ugnada was a collaboration between the Israeli Shen Bet Security Services and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The reason for Israel doing such a thing was a fear that the United States was becoming sympathetic toward the Palestinian cause. In the report were these words:

"The operation was designed to torpedo the PLO's standing in France and to prevent what they see as a growing rapprochement between the PLO and the Americans, my contact said the PFLP had attracted all sorts of wild elements, some of whom had been planted by the Israelis the hijack was the work of the PFLP, with help from the Israeli Secret Service, the Shin Beit."

You see Holly, the world can be a very nasty place and not everything is as it seems. For decades we have all played into the hands of elements within other governments, such as Israel and even our own, that don't necessarily have our best interest at heart.

It is time to put a stop to such intrigues, such covert plans and the executions of those plans. It is time to stop the powers that abuse our sympathies in order to gain powers; it is time to VOTE RON PAUL and cut through the fog of intrigue that has ruled this nation, directed our foreign policy and abused our faith.

We Hear you Ron Paul...even without major media.
We are part of the rEVOLution.

Frankly, why should I care about polls?

Should we listen to the a-hole Frank Luntz and his hand selected "28 undecided" voters polling?

Why do I give a flying f on a glazed donut a small group of people I don't know think about the candidates?

The only thing that matters to me is what I THINK. Ron Paul supporters understand that the media is trying to manipulate the results, either by omission or by trumping up the importance of their pre-anointed candidates.
Don't listen to the media, all that matters is the message!