Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton: 'Gap within gender': The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted February 2, 2008 11:06 AM
The Swamp

By Christi Parsons

LOS ANGELES -- Eleanor Fouchey says there's no doubt in her mind that she should support the most viable female candidate ever to seek the presidency.

On the opposite side of the country, Katharine Chin is coming to the exact opposite conclusion about Hillary Clinton. "She's a woman, and that is empowering," said Chin. "But it shouldn't be a factor in my decision."

The two women have a lot in common, including Democratic leanings and an interest in politics. Both have shown up for campaign events in the last few days, one on the East Coast and one on the West Coast.

But the expanse between them amounts to more than mileage. They represent a gap within the gender gap.

It's evident in voting patterns around the country. Fouchey is 58, and like many other blue-collar women and those over 50, likes Clinton. Chin, a 19-year-old college student, prefers Barack Obama.

Because women account for more than half of all voters, they will be critical to determining each party's nominee, and the next president. This year, women are showing up at Democratic primaries and caucuses in greater numbers than are men -- and voting Democratic more often than Republican.

The divide is intriguing for the patterns it reveals among American women as they are offered, for the first time, a female candidate who could actually crack the highest and hardest of glass ceilings.

"You have all these cross-currents going -- ideology, generation and class," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center. "There's no doubt there's a gender effect, but it's very complicated."

Older Democratic women tend to like Clinton. Even in Iowa in early January, where Obama was a big winner, women over 50 strongly supported Clinton. Older women supported her again in New Hampshire and Nevada, states where Clinton won with women overall.

To pollster Celinda Lake, that breakdown has an obvious explanation. Clinton is a known quantity, something arguably important to her contemporaries.

"Older women are risk-averse," said Lake, head of Lake Research Partners. "They'll entertain the idea of change, but you have to define exactly what you mean so they can evaluate it."

Women who support Obama are more likely to be between the ages of 18 and 49, polls show, and they're also more likely to be college graduates and to have a household income of greater than $50,000 a year. They're also more likely to describe themselves as "liberal" rather than "moderate" or "conservative."

"Younger women just assume, 'We're not going to make decisions just based on gender,'" said Kate Michelman, who from 1985 to 2004 was president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "We assume we're beyond that. For me, personally, it is part of my feminist ideals and philosophy and goals. I have the wisdom, the ability, to put gender in the mix but not have it be determinative."

Unlike many allies, Michelman, 64, decided not to support Clinton. She backed Democrat John Edwards until he dropped out of the presidential race this week.

Chin shares that viewpoint, if not Michelman's demographic. She is a college student at the University of California, San Diego, where she studies political science.

For months, she was stuck for a candidate, until she read Obama's latest book and formed, "a strong impression of his integrity."

She began volunteering for the campaign. And a couple of days ago, she and three friends drove to Los Angeles to support Obama outside the Democratic debate.

She said she considered both Clinton and Obama strictly on their merits without regard for gender.

"People say, 'She's a woman and you should support her,'" said Chin. "I'd like to think I can look beyond that. I just never think of it that way."

In a sense, Clinton's own generation helped to create this gap. Baby Boomer women challenged glass ceilings at every level, arguably raising it to such heights in some venues that younger women may not even realize it's there. So while older women may be deeply affected by the prospect of a woman president, their younger counterparts appear to be less struck by the potential breakthrough.

Feminist icon Gloria Steinem, co-founder of the Women's Media Center, thinks gender is still the most restricting force in American life. She notes that Obama is a viable candidate for president even though his elective experience prior to joining the Senate consisted of eight years in the Illinois legislature, and doubts that a similarly situated woman would have the same shot.

The National Organization for Women called it a "betrayal" that Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) endorsed Obama. NOW's duty is to "elect, unabashedly, a president that is the first woman after centuries of men who 'know what's best for us,'" the group said in a statement.

Fouchey understands where they're coming from. When she looks at Clinton, she sees a contemporary who has fought to get where she is and bears the scars to prove it.

Never mind that Clinton is a Yale-educated lawyer from a middle-class neighborhood in suburban Chicago, while Fouchey is a retired rail worker in South Carolina.

"She's a role model for me and women like me," said Fouchey, who attended a Clinton town hall meeting in Kingstree, S.C., last week. "She's competent and committed to doing what's right, and she just doesn't let anyone stop her."

That, said Fouchey, "is good enough for me."

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I really wish we all could make decision based on the issues or the candidates records and not paint those of us you are Black or a woman into a box that we have to vote for a candidate based on race or gender. Based on that, should I as a Black women flip a coin to decide to vote for Clinton or Obama? Of course not. When Hillary first emerged I thought seriouly about Hillary, but after seeing the Clintons back in action, these past weeks, reference to new contributor scandals...and that Hillary and Obama for the most part are close on the issues....I choose Obama for the best candidate for our future!


To be fair, that comment you attributed to NOW was not from the national organization; it was from the NY chapter.

The National organization has distanced themselves mightily from that comment.


Not to be a slight against a potentially "First African American President" but from one who is an African American,who at least tries to be moderate, here is something to consider regarding Senator Obama. You might want to read the following article that I have linked below and read the following statement also:

In the far left liberal wing of the Democratic Party, in what we recognize as a hunger for a nice tone and tolerance for there extreme liberal beliefs, they sometimes may reject traditional and solid moral understandings that bring balance and deceive others to believe in something in Senator Obama that just isn't there. The fact is Senator Obama literally voted against several, and I mean several, moderate legislation, not necessarily conservative but just moderate legislation. Legislation like this one: contrary to the majority of the Senate, he voted, almost solely alone, against legislation that would require Doctors to help partial late term (emphasis added on late term) abortion babies that if the abortion wasn't successful and the baby wasn't completely killed but was in fact still alive. He voted against legislation that would require doctors to have to provide medical care to the baby so the baby would be able to live. He in effect advocated for the baby to be finished off instead of giving a living baby help. That's inhumane! So, don't get caught up in the hype, instead do your research. In fact, a person's record, regardless of what little it is, does in fact paint a picture. But that's only if a person really wants to see it!

Linked article: Will the Real Barack Obama Please Stand Up

http://poligazette.com/2008/02/02/will-the-real-barack-obama-please-stand-up/


I have worked with Mr. Oboma's staff about disability related issues. He gets the issues better than anyone I have ever seen. I am huge fan of the policies of Bill Clinton but Mr. Oboma staff shows up for every event that I have invited them to. They listen and we have shared info. I scratch my head to think people will not vote for him because he is Aferican American or they will vote for Hilliary because she is a woman. There are many groups who never made the ground floor let alone the glass ceiling. I am talking about the disability community.


I can't understand how the media can raise all sorts of negative issues about Hillary and tip toe around Obama. It certainly appears that it is a RACE campaign, not wanting to start anything with the black community for fear of Jackson or Sharpton playing the race card and possibly stirring up riots as they did with Imus.


I'm not going to vote for a presidential candidate based on race or gender. I plan to find a way to still vote for John Edwards. He is positive, progressive, smart, very energetic, focused, and talks about the issues, not about petty personal things. All that petty bickering turned me off.


Yes, it's extremely unfortunate The Swamp provides NO WAY to contact them directly about factual inaccuracies, such as confusing the NY chapter of NOW with the national office.

Apparently they believe their journalists are incapable of making mistakes. Either that or their readers are so stupid they'll never notice, or don't care.


It is a mans world>>>...
Women are loyal to men and men are loyal to men. How can the Democrats lose elect Obama it will be like feeding guppies to sharks when the Republican attack machine eats him alive with all his wining about " thats not fair to tell people I did cocaine it's not fair to tell people about my racist church. It's not fair to talk about my fairy tale campaign with no substance. It's no fair to tell people change is the most ambiguous word in the English language . It's not fair to bring up my ties to an indited felon


Obama talks about dreams a lot. In that way he inspires us to think and speak about our dreams. Dreams are good. Our collective reality is another story altogether. Clinton talks about reality. I can dream for myself thank you very much but I can't deal with our collective reality without a leader. She is one.


see video: FRAUD on Voters by The Nation and Chris Hayes, Part 1 (Obama violates international law)
http://representativepress.googlepages.com/FraudNation.html


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