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Posted February 15, 2008 4:10 PM
The Swamp

by John McCormick

OSHKOSH, Wis. – A day after Hillary Clinton suggested – again – that Barack Obama is all talk and no action, the Illinois Democrat responded here with a new riff that challenges her suggestion.

"Her argument, I think, yesterday was, 'Well, Obama's a talker and I'm a doer. He makes speeches. I offer solutions,'" Obama said. "Now, I understand that as we get further and further along in this process, some of the arguments get sillier and sillier."

Obama then launched into a list of legislative accomplishments in both the Illinois Senate and U.S. Senate, although he did fail to acknowledge any help from any of his fellow lawmakers.

"When I brought Democrats and Republicans together to have health insurance in Illinois, that wasn't talk," he said. "When I fixed our criminal justice system to prevent wrongful convictions in Illinois, that wasn't talk. When I worked with Republicans on nuclear proliferation issues, that wasn't talk. So, she's exactly right that speeches aren't enough. That's why I've been working for the last 20 years to provide real solutions to the American people."

Obama went on to criticize Clinton for her past support of the North American Free Trade Agreement, as he has been prone to do in recent days.

Then, the always confident senator, couldn't help but offer himself some more praise: "It's true. I give a good speech. What can I do? Nothing wrong with that," he said.

And while it is perfectly clear that there will be no Wisconsin debate before the state's primary Tuesday, the debate over debates continues to linger.

Clinton's campaign has issued another Wisconsin ad that suggests Obama is a chicken when it comes to going one-on-one with the former first lady.

"Barack Obama still won't agree to debate in Wisconsin," the Clinton ad says. "And now he's hiding behind false attack ads."

Earlier today, at a news conference in Milwaukee, Obama said he has participated in 18 debates already and that he needs the time to meet with voters.

"I understand Sen. Clinton, periodically, when she is feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal," Obama said in Milwaukee.

Plus, Obama said, he practically knows Clinton's lines as well as she does.

"The debate exercise is one that I think has become fairly predictable," he said. "I could make the arguments on behalf of Sen. Clinton that she would make against me in a debate. We all know them. You guys could to. I’m sure the same applies on the other side."

Obama mentioned "slogans"' at the rally here inside a field house at the University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh, just as he did earlier at the Milwaukee news conference.

"Yesterday, Sen. Clinton unveiled her latest in a long line of slogans, which argues that she's proposed solutions while others have not," Obama said in Milwaukee. "I don't want to get into sort of the tit-for-tat here. The problem is not the lack of good ideas. It's that Washington today is the place where good ideas go to die."

Obama, who was formally endorsed this afternoon by the powerful Service Employees International Union, said he expects additional union endorsements to be coming his way in the coming days.

"The reason I think they’re moving in our direction is they recognize that we have the opportunity to build the kind of coalitions that strengthen the union movement," he said.

Asked at the press conference whether he has any plans to give up his senate seat, one he has only held since 2005, as some have suggested Republican front-runner Sen. John McCain might do, Obama demurred. "It's not something that's come up," he said.

Obama also downplayed a recent National Journal rating that listed him as the most liberal member of the Senate.

"There is no doubt that Senator McCain and I have different political philosophies," he said. "The National Journal ratings, I have to say, I’m a little skeptical of because apparently one of the examples that they use to grade how liberal you are is whether or not you supported an office of public integrity that would independently investigate ethics violations in the House and the Senate. The notion that that’s a liberal concept as opposed to a common sense concept designed to ensure the integrity of the Congress gives you some sense of how these categories of liberal and conservative, I don’t think really work."

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If Obama is an empty suit (he's not but the Repubs wish that) then I guess we could say that Insane McCain is a "stuffed suit" who has psychological problems (100 years in Iraq) and who is nearly 100 years old.

Insane McCain = Bob Dole re-loaded


Mrs Clinton campaign lacks fund and she can only rely on so called debate to make herself heard at low coast by repeating badly rehearsed & memorized slogans such us"Universal Health care is a democratical basic principle!"...We are tired of slogans;change is coming baby to America!


Everytime this Illinois democrat opens his mouth all that comes out are lies. Why should it be any different now?

Obama challenged McCain and all republicans to take public funds for the general election campaign if they won the nomination. McCain called his bluff. Now Obama's saying he's not sure if he'll take public funds. More proof that McCain's word means something and Obama's only means what's politically expedient.

“It was very clear to me that Senator (Barack) Obama had agreed to having public financing of the general election campaign, if I did the same thing,” McCain said a press conference at a Wisconsin aviation museum Friday. “I am going to keep that commitment…I expect Senator Obama to keep his word to the American people as well.”

McCain is calling on Obama to make good on the commitment the IL Senator made in February 2007 –to take the $85 million lump sum in government cash for the general campaign if his Republican rival did the same. At the time, McCain was the only GOPer who took the Illinois Senator up on the agreement.

Obama spokesperson Bill Burton told the New York Times Friday that the campaign will “address that issue in the general election, when we’re the nominee,” adding, “we’re just not entertaining hypotheticals right now.”


Obama absolutely nails it! The reason Americans are rallying behind him, is exactly because he makes such common-sense arguments.


The sad thing is that Sen. Clinton is showing how quickly she would like to get in a mud slinging battle. I am not suggesting Sen. Obama is perfect, but she clearly is appearing desperate.
One import point I would like to make is that many of my republican friends say that they will fight hard against 'Hillary'. Sen. Clinton may bring a lot of counter votes to the table and hurt the Democratic party's chances of winning.


I'd like to be heard at low coast, too. Somewhere near the Outer Banks of North Carolina. That's my favorite low coast.


Every body must show his/her track record when applying a plain job. For a top job Prez, if he is a real doer to make a real change, he must show his track record to turn thing around using a minimum resource within a short time frame for a very large community.
A talker can do a job of Senator, but Prez job does require a doer as it's an executive job.
I doubt if he has any of them, so he must change for the worse !!!


Here! the answer to all questions about him and his ability in simple English that everybody can understand. That is so eloquent, none to beat.


The Empty Suit trotted out his usual bromides: He "brought together" somebody for something, he "worked with" Republicans on "issues". Obama claims, "That wasn't talk". Actually, that's precisely what it was, and is.

The only specific was his grandiose claim that "I fixed our criminal justice system in Illinois to prevent wrongful convictions in Illinois". And on the 7th day He rested...

Obama's not merely an Empty Suit. He's an Empty Suit who nonetheless thinks he's the new Messiah.


I'd like to see a Wisconsin debate between Hillary and Obama but in a quiz format. On a frozen lake. Using sock puppets. Any ideas on a moderator?


Obama spokesperson Bill Burton told the New York Times Friday that the campaign will “address that issue in the general election, when we’re the nominee,” adding, “we’re just not entertaining hypotheticals right now.”

Posted by: Jeff | February 15, 2008 4:48 PM


College Republican Jeffy,

Why don't you tell us what Insane McCain is going to do to fix the economy? you can't do it because even he admits that he knows NOTHING about it...and as far as Iraq goes he want's to stay there for 100 years?!?!

I can't wait for the debates because both Hillary or Obama will run circles around that dumb old man, McCain.


Clinton wants to debate Obama in Wisconsin because (1) she has been seen by some as a stronger debater in the past (2) she wants to distract him from his personal appearances in TX and OH where right now her name recognition is better. It looks like, from the ads that are coming out, we won't want to watch their future debates. I liked the one where they were both nice to each other.


It's sad to see Hillary come unraveled like this. but, you know what they say... adversity doesn't form character, it reveals it. This is the true Clinton - one that loves to stir it up and cause uphevel. It's sad to see personal ambition cloud sound judgement.


It's just really annoying to listen to Sen. Clinton at this point. I can't remember the last time I turned on the T.V. and heard anything positive out of her mouth. She did this before right after IOWA, she started getting mad and attacking and crying all over the place. I just don't want to see the Clintons in my living room for another four years. Go away please.


Yes, Hillary brought up the idea of universal healthcare when Bill was president. She and her husband had 8 years. If Clintons were good at getting healthcare for everyone, why didn't she and her husband make it happen in that 8 year period????

No, Hillary didn't invent universal healthcare. It has been in existence almost all over the world for many years.


Obama is the best thing that ever happend in American poletics he was the under dog who brought himself up not just by making speachs but by organizing the best campagin Clinton is angery because she just can't keep up with him.


he makes common sense arguments, but his position is extremely liberal and I don't think most people have figured that out yet. If they don't agree with his positions, they shouldn't be voting for just charisma.


As pointed out in the above article, Sen. Clinton did support NAFTA when her husband signed it. This is a copy of an e-mail I sent to friends of mine several weeks ago regarding that and her current position. Or has she switched again?


In a speech given on 31 May 2007 before 200 Silicon Valley CEOs and senior officers, Hillary Clinton called for increasing the number of visas granted highly skilled foreign workers, making it easier for more foreign workers to come here to take our jobs.

Why would she support more foreign workers coming here to take our jobs, choosing to make that statement to that particular audience? Because the companies hire them for lower wages than they would pay someone from the American Public, saving them money and earning those executives huge bonuses. These are the same executives whose companies are significant contributors to political campaigns. Oh yes, the executives are significant contributors, too. Of course, she is more interested in the money they can, will, and have given to her own campaigns for both Senator and President, not our jobs.

Her speech is also remarkable because she has more recently stated that she believes that the North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), an agreement that caused hundreds-of-thousands (if not millions) of our coincidently highly skilled jobs to go to foreign nations, should be modified. That, in itself, is remarkable because she fully supported it when her husband, President Bill Clinton, signed it into effect. In fact, she supported it until she started running for President herself and realized that many Americans now, finally, understand that their own jobs went elsewhere because of NAFTA.

And, as you all know, she is claiming to have "thirty-five years experience" and basing that claim on being fully involved in all decisions that Bill Clinton made as President. If true, that means she not only "used to support" NAFTA, she helped ensure it was implemented.

So then, at first she supported and helped to decide for NAFTA, sending our jobs elsewhere.

Then, she decided it needed to be modified.

Now, she wants to make it easier for foreigners to come here to take our jobs at lower wages.

Is this who we really want as President?

Sign me as,

LG, a concerned citizen in Santa Cruz, CA.


Anybody who claims that Barack Obama is the "most liberal member" of a Senate which includes Bernie Sanders is clearly not paying attention. Senator Sanders, who I think would be proud to receive such a title, just isn't getting the recognition he deserves - probably because he's an independent.

The National Journal is a joke - they said the same thing about John Kerry in '04. Coincidence? I seriously doubt it.

(Bernie for President!)


If people in the USA want real change they should volunteer at a homeless shelter or feed the hungry at a food bank. I don't see any politician left, right or in the middle doing that.


I'm a Ron Paul Republican from Salt Lake City and I have been reading Obama's policies over the past couple of days. While I can't say that I agree with everything Obama stands for (for example, I believe the younger generation should be able to opt out of social security), he has some decent ideas. I'm hoping that Obama wins the democratic nomination because I think he will handily beat McCain, who I feel is an imperialist, warhawk.


Response to Jeff: It would be unwise for Senator Obama to rely only on public funds. As far as I understand it, the "SwifBoating" attack was not made by the Bush campaign but by so called interested parties. If Senator Obama restricts himself to public funds only, how could he respond to such possible attacks if he has a limited budget.


One just needs to look on how these candidates have run their respective campaigns to have an idea on how effectively their will run the country. HRC is miserably failing. Obama has totally and consistantly show how superior a leader he is compared to HRC. Her campain is falling apart. What happened on being ready on "day one"? What happened to the advantage of "35 years experience"? Clearly she wasn't ready in Iowa!


John-

McCain already announced that he will NOT be taking public funding for the general election. Doesn't matter what he said in 2007, matters what he said in the last 2 weeks.


Hey, if Senator Clinton wants to waste her slim resources on lame attack ads, I say she should go for it. It just shows what kind of desperate campaign she's running and, after she loans herself another $5mil, there's always her supporters to pay her back with their donations, right?


Duy said,"A talker can do a job of Senator, but Prez job does require a doer as it's an executive job."

That's true. The problem is that Hillary has done much less than Bakak. Hillary is not Bill


For all her acclaimed "Solutions" that she says she has (and not Barack), how come Hillary is trailing behind Barack in the "Delegate" count?

Hollow speeches of hers will not fetch her the votes! She needs to be fair and run a fair contest and not lower her esteem to being a cheapo.


Cute comment Jeff, I would love to be somewhere around San Diego.

***BUT as I live in IL Obama's home state. I must say. While I am disguated by both parties at this point. Obama just as well start his own party. His idea's have ranged both sides of the Isle and have been grounded in COMMON SENSE and COMPATION for justice and the people he serves. Gov. George Ryan (ex gov) of IL was a NOtoriously corrupt politician but it was Obama and others like him who put aside there own distain for a broken politician and the sytem he left, o try an fix a gross problem of wrongfull convictions in IL. DEM or REP this man is compationate, and not the fake I tell you what I want you to hear George Bush jargon. He a real man. lol Just my op though take it or leave it


I agree with Sen. Obama, these debates are all the same, get in front of the voters and discuss issues. Look at this way, if you own a company and the managers make real bad decisions, the best thing to do would be to bring in new blood. Let us do the same for the White House.


I admire Hillary, but I wish Hillary refrains from this kind of attack on her opponent. She comes across as being desperate, specially about the debate thing. Campaign advisers should rethink their approach, it is not helping her in any way. Please just stick to the issues.

Timothy


The 2007 earmarks list is in!

Once again, Senator McCain is one of only 18 senators and congressmen that did not ask for or receive a single pork earmark in 2007. Fellow Republican senator and earmark-fighters Tom Coburn and Jim Demint made the list, too. Among the democrats honorably not asking for earmarks are McCain's longtime friend Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, Claire McCaskill of Missouri and Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia. These three were the ONLY democrats to eschew earmarks.

Others giving up their pork include Reps. Paul Ryan, R-Wis.; Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas; Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and Eric Cantor, R-Va. and House republican leader John Boehner.

No big shock that Ted Stevens and the Klansman Robert C. Byrd AGAIN led their parties in sucking up pork at the trough. Thad Cochran and Okinawa Jack Murtha led on the house side.

You know whose name SHOULD appear on the list of senators not asking for or receiving pork if he really was an "agent of change?" How about Barack Obama (D-Ill.). Oh, I get it, he's for the Illinois version of "change" where you talk a lot and do nothing.

I run the risk inflaming his crazy supporters by pointing out that Rep. Ron "Dr. No" Paul didn't appear with Senators McCain, Coburn, Feingold, and Rockefeller in the honorable category of not asking for or taking pork.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Only_18_lawmakers_shunned_pet_proje_02132008.html

How about a swamp post on Obama's shameful participation in the pork game, McCormick? Forward it to Silva, if you must, he seems to hate pork like me.


he worked with who, worked on what, pushed for this or that. after 20 years. please. Dems are such gullable and starey eyed.nimwits. Just say and promise what they want to hear and they will believe. Like the changes made by the2006 congress. Big on promise,small on delivering.If he becomes president the first thing he will say is NOW WHAT? He couldnt run my 50 employee company let alone a country. What a bunch of fools.


For those who have been bathed in the lies of the Clintons and washed by their falsehood that comes so natural need to wake up. I think one should at least be a high school graduate to vote. It has to be a law, because otherwise we get these dummies who are voting based on just what they have been told. Look for the information of what experience each candidate has, don't just take their word for it. Compare what they have done in elected office only while they have been serving the people. Just because Hillary was living in the white house for 8 years does not mean experience. My husbands experience is not mine and neither is mine his. Please use the god given (or Microsoft/google) tools given to you so for once you can be an informed voter and really take part in this society. Then maybe you wont have to be the (making $40,000 and under and no college degree) Hillary supporter. You may even make it to (The $50,000 plus income, college degree) supporter of Obama.
www.thomas.gov.org
All information on the experience of each candidate can be found here. You will see that Obama has substance and real experience and Hillary, well it's all first lady stuff (Support the girl scouts, library naming, Susan B Anthony day of reading and soft issues)


After 18 debates, does anyone really think anything new will be discussed? In fact, why would there by ANY question that Clinton hasn't already raised in the previous debates?
Only candidates who are down in the polls want debates.

This just may be the beginning of the end for the Clinton campaign...at least for 2008.


It's true.
When Hillary feels the pressure, she goes into furious frenzy mode and starts attacking the other candidates. Though Edwards has dropped out he had the decency to focus on his campaign and not downgrade others. Hillary, stop making your campaign one of attacks, I can only imagine how you will lead this country.

Of course Obama is going to attack back with NAFTA even if it was Bill's policy. But if youre goign to accredit Bill with your experience, than also accept NAFTA, the good comes with the bad.

Nonetheless, it's true i just read a comparison of the number of bills that they both have co-sponsored and co-authored, and I am truly proud to be voting for Obama.
Go Obama!!!


Why is OBAM using the Rheumatoid Arthritis Foundations "Yes I can" slogan for his campaign. Oh my gosh is this just some more plagiarism. Come on OBAM if you can't come up with your own ideas, how will you ever run this country.


This article pokes fun that Barack admits to giving a good speech. If he was modest about his speaking talents but secretly believed that he gave a good speech then that would be dishonest. Hillary def strikes me as dishonest because she will say anything about her opponent to get votes, even if it is false. Unfortunately for her she is running out of new material and people are getting bored with it.


Why should Latinos trust Obama when his track record in actually doing what he says he will do is so poor? Unlike rich white liberal ivory-tower folk and college students that have taken his lofty kool-aid, Latinos can ill afford to trust in a “bonehead” candidate.

Talk to me Obama, be concrete about the ugly realities of poverty, hate, race, and cultural conflict in the neighborhood and how you are different from Hilary in your solutions; and just to say that you were are community organizer and legal services attorney (badges) is not enough. I would also like to see some of your original thinking; stealing Hilary’s plans or playing off the romance of heroes like MLK or others does not cut it.


To John E,

How does Senator McCain get involved in this argument? And where does the "empty suit" reference came from? Even if you do not support John McCain, he deserves fair and respectful criticisms, as do all the candidates from all parties. The real problem in Washington, as well as this country, is civil discord is being displaced by childish insults. By the way, any man who has served his country in war and peace for 54 years and counting, including almost committing suicide because he was afraid he'd dishonor himself and his country after being repeatedly tortured, is obviously displaying "psychological problems".


As a Legislator, Obama Hit the Wrong Button... Six Times
I relate to Barack Obama losing paper, and being disorganized, and sometimes losing things. He's human.
But other campaign correspondents have noted how often Obama blames his staff, and throws them under the bus when mistakes are made.
And then there's this story , which seems a little unnerving:
Barack Obama angered fellow Democrats in the Illinois Senate when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago's West Side. But Obama had a ready explanation: He goofed.

"I was not aware that I had voted no," he said that day in June 2002, asking that the record be changed to reflect that he "intended to vote yes."
That was not the only misfire for the former civil rights attorney first elected to the state Senate in 1996. During his eight years in state office, Obama cast more than 4,000 votes. Of those, according to transcripts of the proceedings in Springfield, he hit the wrong button at least six times.

The rules allow state lawmakers to clear up a mishap if they suffered from a momentary case of stumbly fingers or a lapse in attention. Correcting the record is common practice in the Illinois Legislature, where lawmakers routinely cast numerous votes in a hurry.

But some lawmakers say the practice also offers a relatively painless way to placate both sides of a difficult issue. Even if a lawmaker admits an error, the actual vote stands and the official record merely shows the senator's "intent."
Hey, no big deal. It's not like the biggest, most devastating decision a president could make is represented by the metaphor of "pushing the button."
"Sir, we have outbound ICBMs."
"Relax, President Obama just hit the wrong button."


Obama's Accomplishments:
1)Elected as first black president of the Harvard Law Review
2) As an attorney, represented community organizers and voting rights cases.
3)Taught constitutional law for ten years at University of Chicago
4) Gained bipartisan support in the Illinois state senate for ethics reform, health care laws, tax credits, welfare reform, childcare, fighting racial profiling, and police brutality.
5)Spoke out against the Iraq war from the start.
6)As a freshman US Senator, co-sponsored at least eight key pieces of legislation on immigration, nuclear nonprolifertion, expanding SCHIP, ethics reforms, and bringing our troops home.

If you want to know more, go to his website. Don't parrot the Hillary attack machine without doing your own homework first.


Regarding the campaign financing: Of course Obama is not going to use public financing now, because no one else has pledged to do so. He never said that he would take public financing if no one else did. It would be foolish to do it alone. The point was to try and get everyone to agree to it. They didn't, so he won't either.


I'm not much of a fan of Hillary's, but she is right: Obama gives a heck of a speech, but he has not done jack. Being one of scads of signers on a bill as a senator is close to nuthin.

Name one bill of some substance that he has been the lead on. Let alone that he has not run a single thing: a state, a business, etc.

Good grief - the lack of any real leadership or accomplishments may doom us in the real election.

better that we vet him now, rather than simply give in to blind hope and emotion....


Dear American Friends,
Senator Obama speaks so much sense that you have to be unlearned, void of discernment not to capture that. He is a son of America we should be proud of him! With Him both international and internal policy will have a new direction

Thanks


I, for one, live in the trenches of life and not in the clouds. Meaningful change is concrete. Hilary Clinton understands this to her very core. Obama will tell you one thing and do another; he failed to speak up for Maytag workers during plant closures while taking tens of thousands in contributions from the owner of Maytag. When asked to help in his home state to prevent nuclear waste emissions from nuclear power plants he responded with weakness and sold out to his nuclear power plant donors; nothing changed except the amount he got in contributions from his nuclear buddies.

Hilary delivers the tools we need to build our own lives. We who support her( Latinos, women, and working class people) share in a common value; when we need help, we ask and when we see someone in need among us we come to their aid (Obama will sell you out to his elite friends). Hilary needs our help now, she has been there for us, we should be there for her NOW.

In the memory of my mother and my grandmother whose burdens were heavy and for the future of my sons and daughters whose world is in peril, I support and join Hilary in her lifelong struggle to make solutions real and meaningful change possible. To my brothers and sisters in the Latino community, thank you for standing with Hilary to build the new coalition for change.


Hillary is right, he has no substance and the youth of this nation are like "Hitler's Youth" they are mesmerized by him! He has to just look nice, sound nice, offer no solutions, gloss over the real issues and they think that he is the greatest and newest thing going! To them the autracities of the past are myths and they don't realize what can happen when you elect a power hungry president.


Hillary's desparate. Same old politics, she is. And McCain looks like a hamster.

Obama 08!!!!!


Obama's not merely an Empty Suit. He's an Empty Suit who nonetheless thinks he's the new Messiah.

Posted by: Skeptic | February 15, 2008 5:02 PM


Yeah, I guess we should just shut up and vote for the Republican Messiah (McCain) who promises us LESS JOBS and MORE WAR...

The Rethuglicans are scared to death of Obama and they should be because they know they're going to their butt's kicked by him in the upcoming General Election.


Of the three choices, Obama is the only one who does not carry failed policies forward in their campaign. Why do you think Clinton and McCain get along so well? It's because they're coming from the same place and they belong to the same establishment rooted in the past and supporting the same shadowy groups that influence political decisions so much in Washington.


Is it me or does Hillary really, really, truly sound pathetic? Telling Sen.Obama, "I'll meet you in Texas, "Lets battle", wearing blue boxing gloves as she challenges Obama to another pointless debate, I mean, she sounds like a loser.


Why is OBAM using the Rheumatoid Arthritis Foundations "Yes I can" slogan for his campaign. Oh my gosh is this just some more plagiarism. Come on OBAM if you can't come up with your own ideas, how will you ever run this country.

Posted by: RFB | February 15, 2008 5:33 PM

Bring on the HATE, Wingnuts!

You are scared and you should be because people are sick and tired of the rightwing luntic fringe and their new ringmaster, McCain, the dumb old guy is about as exciting and inspiring as watching paint dry!!!!!


I'm still trying to figure out what Hillary did for the state of New York.

If anyones a talker, it's her. Hillary's solutions are just words like everyone elses until they prove it once in the Oval office.

Hillary, do yourself a favor and stop embarrassing yourself. It's sad!


Hillary's new attack is in line with those of pundits like Joe Klein of TIME who dismissively writes, "(Clinton) simply knows more than Obama."

How do you figure? What has Hillary really done? She so damaged universal healthcare in the '90s that no one has wanted to touch it in the last 15 years. She voted to trust GW's judgment. She laughed at Barack's suggestion to take action in Pakistan if the intelligence warranted it. And when we did, she didn't say "boo" because it was the right call.

The notion that Hillary "knows more" is ludicrous. It falls in line with the reasoning that blacks are "naturally gifted" but that whites are more "intelligent" in professional sports.

If Hillary knows more or has "solutions" to our nation's woes, she sure as heck hasn't shared any in the past 15 years.


Joe,

One of Obama's plans is to give young high school graduates $4,000 a year for serving their community, and he specifically lists working at a homeless shelter is one way to qualify.


18 debates--- I think there was only one debate between the two of them and one with Mr. Edwards and Senator Clinton.

He is twisting the facts like well---a politician--but he says he is not?


To John E,

How does Senator McCain get involved in this argument? And where does the "empty suit" reference came from? Even if you do not support John McCain, he deserves fair and respectful criticisms, as do all the candidates from all parties. The real problem in Washington, as well as this country, is civil discord is being displaced by childish insults. By the way, any man who has served his country in war and peace for 54 years and counting, including almost committing suicide because he was afraid he'd dishonor himself and his country after being repeatedly tortured, is obviously displaying "psychological problems".

Posted by: TC | February 15, 2008 5:34 PM


Why? because right after he became a "war hero" he (McCain) joined the Republican Party and became a flip-flopping, two-faced Liar, that's why.

His own Republican party members call him "Insane McCain" for a very good reason, he is insane.


McCain Loan Could Violate Donor Privacy
http://www.politico.com:80/news/stories/0108/7837.html

McLame's Immigration Insanity
http://www.borderfirereport.net:80/letters-from-readers/mclames-immigration-insanity.html

Video: Liebs says McCain did not support amnesty for illegal aliens
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/05/video-liebs-says-mccain-did-not-support-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens

McCain: "We Are Not Going To Build Fences And Barriers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5G3kH1PvvU

Tom DeLay Disses McCain, Calls New Hampshire Win ‘A Blip’
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com:80/2008/01/09/tom-delay-disses-mccain-calls-new-hampshire-win-a-blip/

John McCain and Our Second Amendment
http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm

John McCain's Skeleton Closet
http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm#keating

The Conservative Case Against McCain
http://thenextprez.blogspot.com/2005/12/conservative-case-against-mccain.html

A Vote For McCain Is A Vote For Amnesty, Open Borders and Never Building A Fence
http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/01/a_vote_for_john_mccain_is_a_vo.php

#%&@# You McCain's Unstable Temper Raises More Doubt from Arizona News ( This site will not post actual title. Search Arizona News for John McCain. It's worth the effort to find it. )

Conservative Group Campaigns Against McCain: He's No Ronald Reagan
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Conservative_group_campaigns_again_McCain_Hes_0301.html

Former Senator Rick Santorum sees a lot of problems with John McCain's credentials
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=e96c3803-c542-4a57-98bd-68635a744540&comments=true

John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/30/123006.shtml

John McCain's Record of Economic Issues
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/03/arizona_senator_john_mccains_t.php

McCain Would Vote Against The Bush Tax Cuts All Over Again
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/301ccb6c-32b0-4ba7-8330-68d560f67dd8

McCains Stand On Detainees May Pose Risk For 2008 Bid
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801353.html

Democrats Contributed Heavily To McCain's Effort in District 11 Election
http://www.azconservative.org/McCain_Discord.htm

The Conservative Case Against Huckabee And McCain
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/019929f6-5799-479e-a86b-e2e2601330ab


McCain Walks Into Conservative Clothesline
http://www.baltimoregroupblog.com/2007/03/19/mccain-walks-into-conservative-clothes-line/

John McCain Is No Hero
http://www.usvetdsp.com/bengmcan.htm

U.S. Senator John McCain Is No War Hero
http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_mccain_is_no_war_hero.htm

Flashback: The Real John McCain
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/43aba933-6972-4a36-a25f-a2973e69e4ee

Wife of POW Navy Pilot, Who Had Husband's Remains Sent Home By North Vietnamese in 1989, Was Lied to by U.S. Officials For Years About His Whereabouts And POW Status
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/31-oct-2005.html

Defending America by David Hackworth
http://www.hackworth.com/25jan00.html

IT'S TIME TO GIVE THE U.S. ARMY A GOOD SHAKE
http://www.hackworth.com/19nov01.html

Why Vietnam Vets Split on McCain
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_12_16/ai_61487324

Luck Of The Admiral's Son Not For "Grunts"
http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm

ARIZONA'S JOHN McCAIN: A Fraud, "Rhinestone Hero," and National Security Risk
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/mccain.html

MSNBC questions McCain's temper; Reporter says McCain vexes Senate colleagues
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/MSNBC_Does_McCains_temper_hurt_presidential_0707.html


Jeff, of course McCain doesn't have any earmarks. He's too busy taking care of his lobbyist buddies needs to actually look out for the interests of the people of Arizona.

McCain represents K street, not his state.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2007/12/30/ST2007123002933.html

http://www.rollcall.com/politics/kstendorsements.html

http://a.abcnews.com/Blotter/story?id=4210251&page=1

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080204/pl_bloomberg/aqivdvkpq3s_1


Well put, TC.


As for taking public funds, last I recall, McCain's campaign was out of money, so now he is spinning his not having a choice but to take public financing as a positive. Don't be so naive. Obama has the largest, war chest built of small donors in a very long time. That is as public as you can get. As for Hillary, she does keep changing her slogan based on what Obama is doing, so while she may be a credible candidate, she needs to stick to her own message. Obama speaks change, now she does. He's populist, now she is. I initially supported Hillary, but it was initially out of my perception of the Clintons as being truly "Set Upon" unfairly while Bill was in office. Yet imagine as I began to see them employ the self same tactics used ineffectively against them during Bill's tenure in the White House against Obama. I couldn't stomach it and it really cheapens so much of what President Clinton was able to accomplish. I'm not saying Hillary is not a good candidate, but I am saying that she running on change rings very much of Bush running as a Washington Outsider. It's laughable and sad.


To ChangeWhat...
And what are Hillary's plans? She lies so much it is pathetic just like her universal Healthcare coverage. Do you think the poor, including Latinos want affordable healthcare or FINABLE healthcare? Because that is what her plan involves and is the reason she won't answer.

People keep wanting details, but Clinton doesn't provide anymore details and neither does McCain. Respect as a prisoner of war doesn't make him fit for president. This guy suddenly supports torture and wants to continue to fight in Iraq. We should have used all of those resources to go in Afghanistan and capture Bin Laden. 9/11 was not done by the Iraqi or Saddam and yet look at how much we have sacraficed because we thought they would lay down like when is Father defended Kuwait.
VOTE OBAMA!!!


Hillary Clinton will promise to build a bridge even if there’s no river.

Given the choice of having a 100 year war in Iraq, or Hillary Clinton as president - most voters will surely rather face a 100 year war than have another 4 years of Monica Lewinsky learning to play the saxaphone.

http://www.SherlockHolmesMuseum.com


TC,

You wonder why people aren't fawning all over John McCain the war hero?
It's because he doesn't care about anyone but himself and he will say and do anything to get elected.
I'll gladly vote for Senator Obama over McCain, in fact I can't wait to do so.


John McCain's Imaginary Military Support

Don't let anyone fool you into believing that John McCain is some sort of pied piper who's gained the unquestioning allegiance of the military and veterans' communities, that's how they like to portray it on the cable news shows, but it's just not true. I also realize lots of Republicans have a vested interest in seeing John McCain cast as the patron saint of Militaria, but the numbers just aren't there. Sorry.
I took a look at the CNN exit poll results for each primary state with at least two major military installations. Of the Republican respondents who stated they had served in the military at some point, here are the percentages who voted for McCain:


VA: 51%
LA: 47%
CA: 46%
FL: 42%
OK: 42%
MO: 39%
GA: 37%
Kind of anemic--and not what many would expect.

Conversely, here are the percentages of those Republican veterans who voted for "Not McCain":


VA: 49%
LA: 53%
CA: 54%
FL: 58%
OK: 58%
MO: 61%
GA: 63%
Wow. Coupled with the fact that both Ron Paul and Barack Obama have raised more money from the military community than John McCain, it seems clear that there is no ongoing love affair between the military and Mr. Bomb-bomb-bomb/Hundred Years Guy.

And that's just the empirical data. Anecdotally, everybody I talk to in the military thinks John McCain is out of touch, largely irrational, and a threat to the health and well-being of our Armed Forces.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

A little bit about John McCain's voting record (0.00 / 0)

John McCain voted
No to funding for transit security

No to the Department of Defense Appropriations, FY2003 bill

Which provided:
- $71.5 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding

- $7.7 billion for missile defense, $814 million allocated, at the President's discretion, for missile defense or counter-terrorism

- $114.8 billion for Armed Forces operations and maintenance

- $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs

- $14.8 billion for defense health programs

- 4.1 percent raise for military personnel

Note, this bill passed the Senate with a vote of 95-3

No to Military Construction Appropriations Act FY2003

This legislation also passed with a vote of 96-3

No to the Veterans Affairs and HUD Appropriations Act of 2002


Which provided $51.1 billion for the Veterans Administration
This legislation passed with a vote of 94-5

No to Expressing Support for All Men and Women in the U.S. Armed Forces

S Amdt 2947 to S Amdt 2011 to HR 1585: To reaffirm strong support for all the men and women of the United States Armed Forces and to strongly condemn attacks on the honor, integrity, and patriotism of any individual who is serving or has served honorably in the United States Armed Forces, by any person or organization.

The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America give John McCain a "D"


"Iraq, the wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" - General Omar Bradley


Hillary is the best candidate for Wisconsin!
She has cut more cheese than any one else!


I do not like either democrat candidate but if forced to vote, I would vote Obama anyday. Hillary Clinton is a dismal liar whose only true intention is to be called Madam President. She wants to go down in the history books so bad that she gladly spent $5 million of her own.


I think that Obama can get more done by talking his way into motion with both Republicans and Democrats and certainly with the American people. It talks all three to get changes put forward and acted upon. Like a good football, baseball or any sport team, there is nothing like an inspirational coach to motivate them all so that they win!


To any of you who have kids. Look your child in the eye right now. Ask yourself..do you want them to die in Iraq? When McCain says 100 years in Iraq he is talking about killing your children. What gives him the right?! Kids tha were 15 when the Iraq war started are literally DEAD now because of the decisions Bush, Clinton and McCain made. Obama is our only choice to restore common sense and sanity to government.


Karen wrote,

"Just because Hillary was living in the white house for 8 years does not mean experience."

Here are some excerpts from another e-mail I sent to friends a few weeks back regarding her "experience".

Hillary Clinton is claiming to have "more than thirty-five years experience" in government, implying that she has been deeply involved in governmental decisions and actions during that time. And yet, she will not answer questions asking specifics of what she did during that time. Since she will not, or can not, answer such questions I thought I might do so. Don't worry, I'm not going to bore you with great detail on this, there is no need to do so.

Ok. To get the thirty-five years we have to go back to when she and Bill were in Arkansas. He was the Attorney General and she was is wife. She did not hold a public office, elected or otherwise. She had no Administrative, Legislative, or Judicial authority and could not, therefor, do anything on any official governmental level. She may have given Bill some advise, but without actually being able to work within the government, I count that as no real experience.

Then Bill became Governor of Arkansas and she became First Lady of the state. Once again she had no Administrative, Legislative, or Judicial authority. No official involvement in government once more. Again, I count that as no real experience.

Next, we come to Bill becoming President and Hillary First Lady of the U.S. As President, Bill was automatically given the highest of security clearances. This was necessary for him to be fully informed on all issues and, hopefully, enable him to make an intelligent decision based upon that information.

As First Lady, Hillary did not receive a security clearance of any type. You see, one of the qualifications for receiving a security clearance AT ANY LEVEL is to have a "need-to-know" that information. As First Lady, she had no need-to-know any level of classified information for any reason because, once again she had no Administrative, Legislative, or Judicial authority.

She was not given any information that you or I could not also receive. She could not, indeed did not, sit in on Bill's daily briefings of any type because of the possibility that classified information may be discussed. In other words, folks, contrary to what she is claiming she was excluded from the inner workings of our government.

Oh, she could have asked a Congressional Representative to introduce legislation for her, but she didn't. Don't you think her campaign would be making a big deal out of any attempts she had made, even if they were rejected? They would be great evidence that she was involved in the government. Instead, we hear no such claims. And asking for the introduction of a bill is nothing unique anyway. You or I can do the same thing. All you have to do is write or call your Senator or Representative in the House and ask them to do so. Heck, even the President has to ask for legislation to be introduced but has no power to do so under our Constitution.

For the third time I must state that she had no Administrative, Legislative, or Judicial authority, meaning no official involvement in government. Once more, I count that as no real experience.

The only actual experience she does have is as a Senator. She was elected on November 7, 2000 and seated in 2001. That is the only actual experience she has that I can recognize. But even using the "new" math touted a few years back I can not get that to come out to thirty-five years experience.

Once again, please sign me as,

LG, a concerned citizen in Santa Cruz, CA.


Road warrior, you're full of it. Huge percentages of military votes delivered Florida and South Carolina to McCain and his record of supporting the military is second to none.

Michael, you're misinformed. The McCain campaign is now the best-funded republican campaign in the land. And even if it wasn't, it doesn't change the fact that Obama brought the subject up and said he'd go public funds only if his republican opponent would. McCain called his bluff. Now Obama's backtracking.

It was a nice way for him to look honorable BEFORE he was getting tons of money from George Soros but now he's been caught in his lies again so he's changing his story. If it was the right thing back then, Obama, why isn't it now? Liar.


If you go past Road Warrior's DNC talking points and twisted numbers you can see the real truth. McCain supports soldiers and sailors but he doesn't support wasteful government contracts to military suppliers. McCain was behind the investigation that recently put two Boeing executives behind bars for stealing our tax dollars. That's why military contractors who suckle at the government teat fear him. That's why you, the taxpayer, should vote for him.

Keith Ashdown at Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonprofit watchdog group said the "Pentagon cash machine" would be much more difficult for companies to access. "If you're a defense company and McCain wins, you know that your free ride at the Pentagon is going to be ending."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7313609


Hillary Clinton is desparate now. Yes, Clinton go His Nafta bill through and it certainly sent American jobs over seas. This was the worst treaty in history and it is a Clinton bill. I would like to hear how Hillary would get rid of this treaty that the Clinton was so happy about. Hillary does not like to talk about these issues. She needs to fix the 3 strikes you are out law that the the Clintons like so well. If Hillary had so much experience Why did she vote for the Iraq War. This war she voted for it draining our country. She has continually voted to give George a blank check. This country would not be in this bad shape since she voted with the other side to go to war.


As a former Republican, thanks to John McCain's nomination, I will be voting for Barack Obama this fall.

Insane McCain (that's what his fellow Republican Congress-critters call him) will say or do anything to get elected, even sell out his "war hero" status:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1188858/posts


Senator John McCain presents himself as a maverick and a critic of the Iraq war. But a close read of his record indicates that his position on the Iraq war has consistently matched President George W. Bush’s.


Before The War:

McCain used many of the same arguments as Donald Rumsfeld, Vice President Cheney and President Bush when advocating going to war with Iraq.


McCain co-sponsored the Use of Force Authorization that gave President George W. Bush the green light – and a blank check - for going to war with Iraq. [SJ Res 46, 10/3/02]


McCain argued Saddam was “a threat of the first order.” Senator McCain said that a policy of containing Iraq to blunt its weapons of mass destruction program is "unsustainable, ineffective, unworkable and dangerous." McCain: "I believe Iraq is a threat of the first order, and only a change of regime will make Iraq a state that does not threaten us and others, and where liberated people assume the rights and responsibilities of freedom.” [Speech to the Center for Strategic & International Studies, 2/13/03]


McCain echoed Bush and Cheney’s rationale for going to war. McCain: “It’s going to send the message throughout the Middle East that democracy can take hold in the Middle East.” [Fox, Hannity & Colmes, 2/21/03]


McCain echoed Bush and Cheney’s talking points that the U.S. would only be in Iraq for a short time. McCain: “It’s clear that the end is very much in sight. … It won’t be long…it’ll be a fairly short period of time.” [ABC, 4/9/03]


McCain said winning the war would be “easy.” “I know that as successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women.” [CNN, 9/24/02]


During The War:

Senator McCain praised Donald Rumsfeld as late as May 12, 2004, after the Abu Ghraib scandal.

Asked if Donald Rumsfeld can continue to be an effective secretary of defense, McCain: “Yes, today I do and I believe he's done a fine job. He's an honorable man.” [Hannity and Colmes, 5/12/04]

Senator McCain repeatedly supported President Bush on the Iraq War – voting with him in the Senate, defending his actions and publicly praising his leadership.


McCain maintains the war was a good idea.

At the 2004 Republican National Convention, McCain, focusing on the war in Iraq, said that while weapons of mass destruction were not found, Saddam once had them and “he would have acquired them again.” McCain said the mission in Iraq “gave hope to people long oppressed” and it was “necessary, achievable and noble.” McCain: “For his determination to undertake it, and for his unflagging resolve to see it through to a just end, President Bush deserves not only our support, but our admiration.” [Plain Dealer, 8/31/04]

Senator McCain: “The war, the invasion was not a mistake. [Meet the Press, 1/6/08]

Asked if the war was a good idea worth the price in blood and treasure, McCain: “It was worth getting rid of Saddam Hussein. He had used weapons of mass destruction, and it's clear that he was hell-bent on acquiring them.” [Republican Debate, 1/24/08]


McCain defended Bush’s rationale for war. Asked if he thought the president exaggerated the case for war, McCain said, “I don’t think so.” [Fox News, 7/31/03]


McCain has been President Bush’s most ardent Senate supporter on Iraq. According to Michael Shank of the Foreign Policy in Focus think tank, McCain was at times Bush’s “most solid support in the Senate” on Iraq. [Foreign Policy in Focus, 1/15/08]


McCain voted against holding Bush accountable for his actions in the war. McCain opposed the creation of an independent commission to investigate the development and use of intelligence leading up to the war in Iraq. [S. Amdt. 1275 to H.R. 2658, Vote # 284, 7/16/03]


McCain praised Bush’s leadership on the war. McCain: “I think the president has led with great clarity and I think he’s done a great job leading the country…” [MSNBC, Hardball, 4/23/03]

Senator McCain has constantly moved the goal posts of progress for the war – repeatedly saying it would be over soon.


January 2003: “But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” [MSNBC, 1/22/03]


March 2003: “I believe that this conflict is still going to be relatively short.” [NBC, Meet the Press, 3/30/03]


June 2004: “The terrorists know that this is a very critical time.” [CNN, 6/23/04]


December 2005: "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have a fair amount of progress [in Iraq] if we stay the course.” [The Hill, 12/8/05]


November 2006: “We’re either going to lose this thing or win this thing within the next several months." [NBC, Meet the Press, 11/12/06]


Senator McCain opposed efforts to end the overextension of the military that is having a devastating impact on our troops.


McCain voted against requiring mandatory minimum downtime between tours of duty for troops serving in Iraq. [S. Amdt.. 2909 to S Amdt. 2011 to HR 1585, Vote 341, 9/19/07; S Amdt. 2012 to S Amdt. 2011 to HR 1585, Vote #241, 7/11/07]


McCain was one of only 13 senators to vote against adding $430 million for inpatient and outpatient care for veterans. [S Amdt. 3642 to HR 4939, Vote 98, 4/26/06]


Senator McCain has consistently opposed any plan to withdraw troops from Iraq

Senator McCain repeatedly voted against a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq. [S. Amdt. 3876 to S.Amdt. 3874 to H.R. 2764, Vote #438, 12/18/07; S.Amdt.. 3875 to S.Amdt.. 3874 to H.R. 2764, Vote # 437, 12/18/07; S.Amdt.3164 to H.R. 3222, Vote # 362, 10/3/07; S.Amdt. 2898 to S.Amdt. 2011 to H.R. 1585, Vote #346, 9/21/07; S.Amdt. 2924 to S.Amdt.. 2011 to H.R.1585, Vote #345, 9/21/07; S.Amdt.2 087 to S.Amdt. 2011 to H.R. 1585, Vote #252, 7/18/07; S.Amdt. 643 to H.R. 1591, Vote #116, 3/27/07; S.Amdt. 4320 to S. 2766, Vote #182, 6/22/06; S.Amdt. 4442 to S. 2766, Vote #181, 6/22/06; S.Amdt.. 2519 to S.1042, Vote # 322, 11/15/05]


Senator McCain has consistently demonized Americans who want to find a responsible way to remove troops from Iraq so that we can take the fight to al Qaeda.


McCain: "I believe to set a date for withdrawal is to set a date for surrender.” [Charlotte Observer, 9/16/07]


McCain called proponents of a congressional resolution opposing the troop surge in Iraq intellectually dishonest. [Associated Press. 2/4/07]


The Future:

Senator McCain now says he sees no end to the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq.


McCain: "[M]ake it a hundred" years in Iraq and "that would be fine with me." [Derry, New Hampshire Town Hall meeting, 1/3/08]


McCain on how long troops may remain in Iraq: “A thousand years. A million years. Ten million years. It depends on the arrangement we have with the Iraqi government.” [Associated Press, 1/04/08]


I was a Hillary supporter. All these attacks she's done lately made me fear Obama. After some careful thought, I realized she's acting like a Democratic Bush. Using fear tactics against people is sad.

Sorry Hillary, you've lost one Wisconsin voter forever.


Obama is a weak and will through you under the bus and then say how great he is both before and after his cowardess.

Vote for substance vote for Hilary or Mccain.


America, wake up!

If you believe anuthing coming out of the mouth of Barack Hussien Obama then you may as well follow the yellow brick road to the Land of Oz.

The distinguished gentlemen from the State of Illinois which includes the ravaged poverty stricken zone of East St Lous, Ill is hot air.

He didn't voe for the war in Iraq because he was not a US Senator at the time.

And if he had been a Senator at the time, he wouldn't have voted because he never does and when he does show up he votes present and straddles the fence.

He plagarizes the words of JFK, MLK, RFK and Reagan and calls them his own.

Whose the liar now?

Still inspired?


This former Republican will be proudly voting for Barack Obama in Wisconsin this coming Tuesday.


The so-called "war hero", McCain shows how much of a spine he really has everytime he's around Bush and get's week knee's.

If Bush wants to torture, he gets to torture. McCain was against it before he was for it.

Not a Straight Talker, but good fodder for the general election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujCvVC2GNIY


Library of Congress Records
Obama''s list: (first 8 months) is too substantive, one is coalesced to categorize.
sponsored over 820 bills.
introduced 233 bills regarding healthcare reform,
125 bills on poverty and public assistance,
112 bills on crime fighting,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
In his first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
(1)the Cob