LIVE BLOG: DEMOCRATIC DEBATE IN AUSTIN: The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted February 21, 2008 6:52 PM
The Swamp

By Lisa Anderson

GOOD EVENING!

The stakes couldn't be higher in Austin, Texas tonight as Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama go one-on-one in a Democratic presidential debate sponsored by CNN and airing at 7 PM (CST).

I am blogging for you from my post in New York City, while my colleagues in Austin cover the action on the ground in the Longhorn State.

The crucial, delegate-rich Texas and Ohio primaries are coming up on March 4 and new Washington Post-ABC News polls show the two candidates locked in a Texas tie, while Clinton of New York shows a narrow lead in Ohio over her Senate colleague from Illinois.

Tonight's debate represents their first face-off since their meeting in Hollywood on Jan. 31. They will have only one more planned televised debate--February 26 on MSNBC--before what are shaping up as very close contests in Texas and Ohio.

Clinton, who has lost the last 10 state primaries and caucuses to Obama, desperately needs to win, and win big. To do that, she must use this debate to convince voters that she truly is not only tough enough and experienced enough for the nation's top job, but diplomatic enough to overcome the polarizing image that dogs her.

Obama, who has been on an impressive roll, wants to keep that roll going through the next big contests and beyond. To do that, he must effectively counter Clinton's charges that "the best words in the world aren't enough unless you match them with action." Or, in Texas parlance, that he's all hat and no cattle. And, he must avoid getting lost in the verbal weeds when talking about policy.

Given what has transpired in the last three weeks, it will be interesting to see if the sarsaparilla sweetness that drenched the last encounter between these two will continue or if they are now locked and loaded for a showdown tonight.

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9:55 pm--LET'S AGREE THAT WE REALLY DO AGREE

While they may have been trying to draw more sharply the differences between them, Clinton and Obama Thursday night succeeded more in showcasing the similarities in their positions.

As hard as they tried to elbow each other, more often than not they ended up saying that they "agreed" with each other.

Given the fact that polls show them deadlocked in Texas and extremely close in Ohio--the next two big primaries on March 4--there seemed to be little in this debate that promised to significantly shift those numbers.

Neither candidate stumbled and both got off some good lines. Some of Clinton's best lines, in fact, were her last and, indeed, she got the very last word in the debate.

Before Texans and Ohioans vote, Obama and Clinton will have one more televised go at each other during the MSNBC debate next Tuesday.

Thank you for joining me tonight.

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9:45pm--ONE MORE QUESTION.......

What was the moment that tested you the most, the candidates are asked.

Obama notes he was raised by a single mom, made mistakes in his youth but learned to "take responsibility" not only for his own actions but how to help others. His cumulative experience as a community organizer and attorney,he said, is what helps him to lead and bring people togetrher.

Said Clinton, wryly, "Well I think everybody here knows" I've had some challenges in my life." The audience laughs. But, she said, nothing she has been through is as tough as some of the things she's seen, including badly wounded soldiers coming home from Iraq.."The hits I've taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on everyday" in the lives of people around the country.

No matter what happens, she said of herself and Obama, "We're going to be fine. We have strong support from our families and firends. I just hope we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people and that's what this election should be about."

Obama appeared to open his mouth to add something, but Campbell Brown abruptly ended the debate .

To his credit, Obama nonethless, graciously held Clinton's chair as she rose to leave. She smiled. After all, she had the last word.

And that was that.


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9: 36pm--MUM'S THE WORD

The subject is secrecy. Obama is asked by CNN's John King why he has not disclosed what earmarks he has proposed in the budget. Not true, Obama said. He brushed the question away with a promise that he'd get the info for King asap. "I've been consistently in favor of more disclosure about earmarks," he said, making sure they are "not done in the dark of night" and will push for that when he's president.

Clinton says she's going to get us back to "fiscal responsibility," and did we mention middle-class tax cuts, college affordability and universal healthcare? On those counts, she said, she's more than a match for anything McCain can throw at her.

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9:30pm--IS THE SURGE WORKING?

Surge or no surge, Clinton will begin withdrawing troops within 60 days of her inauguration and make the Iraqis get serious about carrying their own water.

Obama admits that violence has been reduced in Iraq since the surge began surging. "But, this is a tactical victory imposed upon a huge strategic blunder," he said. Moreover, he said, it will be easier for the candidate opposed to Iraq from the beginning to debate and draw a contrast with John McCain. The Arizona senator and presumptive GOP presidential nominee, Obama said, has indicated the U.S. may have troops in Iraq for 100 years.

Time for another commercial break.....
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9:22 pm--WHO'S MORE READY TO LEAD?

Clinton quickly assures the questioner that she's the one who's ready on Day One-- then insists on getting back to her healthcare answer which was so rudely interrupted.

Obama points out that Massachusetts, which has a universal healthcare plan, has had to exempt 20 percent of the uninsured in the state because they simply could not pay for insurance, despite the threat of fines.

Clinton says programs like Social Security and Medicaid would never have worked had everyone not been obliged to contribute. The same thing for universal healthcare, she said. "I want universal healthcare," she added, verbally stamping her feet.

Campbell Brown struggles to get them back to the leadership question.

Clinton launches into another litany of her accomplishments, including serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee. "Just this week," she pointed out, we had elections in Pakistan..change of government in Cuba, independence in Kosovo and our embassy in Serbia set on fire. "When you think about everything that is going to happen...I believe I am prepared and ready on Day One to be the commander in chief, to be the president...And that is what I'm putting forth to the voters."

'I wouldn't be running if I didn't think I was prepared to be commander in chief," Obama countered. He stresses that he will use the military wisely and harks back to Clinton's vote to authorize the war in Iraq.

By opposing the war, he said, "I believe I showed the judgment to be commander in chief and Sen. Clinton was wrong in her judgment." In fact, he basically said, he has shown the best judgment in almost everything. So there--again.


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9:09 pm--HEALTHCARE REDUX

Obama stresses that he and Clinton agree that everybody needs healthcare, they just want to get there in different ways. He says he knows that everyone wants healthcare, but not everyone can afford it and that's why he thinks mandatory insurance is not the way to go.

Clinton opens her mouth, raises her hand and clearly is dying to respond--but Campbell Brown cuts her off to go to commericial....If Clinton's smile gets any tighter she'll need the Jaws of Life. .
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9:01 pm--COPYCAT?"

Asked about the charge that he plagarized a speech from Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, Obama scoffed. "The notion that I stole the line from someone who is my national co-chair, who gave me the line, is silly," he said, saying the "silly season" has set in.

Clinton swooped in like a raptor . "If your candidacy is going to be about words, they should be your own words," she snapped Then, she came in for the kill, "Lifting passages from someone else's speeches isn't change you can believe in, it's Xeroxing," she said, to a chorus of boos.
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8:50 --THEY'RE BAAAACK...

John King asks them about the difference between their jabs at each other on the stump and c the cordiality on display so far tonight,
He asks Clinton if she things Obama is all hat and no cattle. She says she thinks the next president will have to be less hat and more cattle, without commenting directly on Obama's haberdashery or livestock.
However, she stresses "there are differences between our records and our experiences." She notes nastily that one of Obama's surrogates was tongue-tied recently when asked to name one of his accomplishments.

"I think actions do speak louder than words," Obama shot back and began listing all the great things he accomplished in his political career so far, both in the Illinois legislature and in the U.S. Senate.

"I do think there is a fundamental difference between us in how change comes about," he said, noting he's been endorsed by every major newspaper in the state of Texas. He said his rival has implied that "somehow they've been duped" and have yet to see the reality of things.

You need more than policy positions to govern, he said pointedly You also need to inspire.

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8:48--ENGLISH FOR ALL?

Both Obama and Clinton agree--yes again--that everyone should learn to speak English in America, although bilingual education is an important aid in that effort.
Obama also wants English speaking children to learn other languages.

So far, a bit sharp elbowing at the top, but mostly they seem to agree on just about everything--except who should be president....

Commercial Break...
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8:43 pm--ON THE (BORDER) FENCE

Clinton said the U. of Texas at Brownsville would wind up with part of its campus cut off by the proposed border fence with Texas, calling some of these plans absurd. "There may be some places where a physical barrier is appropriate" but as with so much the "Bush administration has gone off the deep end," she said.
"There is technology than can be used instead of a physical barrier," Clinton said, noting that the views of the people who live along the border should be heard.

Obama said, "Well, this is an area where Sen. Clinton and I almost totally agree." Clinton nodded her head and smiled slightly.

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8:35 pm--IMMIGRATION

Asked if the canadidates would stop raids on illegal immigrants--a huge issue in Texas--Clinton emphasized a more humane approach that keeps parents from being ripped suddenly from their children and that would establish a path to citizenship.
Obama agreed and added that it is "absolutely critical" that we tone down the rhetoric in the immigration debate that leads to discrimination. He also wants to institute comprehensive reform that cracks down on employers who hire undocumented workers but doesn't make the path to legal citizenship so expensive and difficult that people are discouraged from trying.
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. 8:25 pm--ECONOMICS 101--AGAIN
Obama said he and Clinton agree on many economic issues, the question is "how to get it done?"
A priority must be to overcome the influence of special interests, he said, noting that's an area where he thought he and Clinton slightly diverge.
Clinton also agreed that they agree on a number of things, including adjusting the tax code to help the middle class. Clinton launched into a litany of all the other things she would do, such as creating new "green jobs," put people to work rebuilding the infrastructure and "end George Bush's war on science."
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8:15 pm--LIFE POST-FIDEL

Clinton says she's ready to work with a new Cuban government and "make it very clear if Cuba moves toward democracy and freedom for its people" the U.S. will work with them.
Obama said he's ready to meet with the next leader of Cuba--with preparation and an agenda--saying the US should talk not just with its friends. This is where he got into trouble on another occasion, when Hillary jumped him, insinuating he was naive for saying he would talk to any leader without condition.
This time he seemed to side-step that, but Clinton wouldn't let him off the hook that easily. "There has been this difference between us about when the president should offer a meeting, without conditions....," she said, stressing that while the unilateral arrogance of the Bush administration is over, prudence is also in order.
Obama reiterated that "preparation is important," but said the president must take a more active role in diplomacy than in the past.
So there.

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8:03 pm--AND THEY'RE OFF

Obama won the coin toss and opted to go second with his opening statement, so Clinton has begun with a chat about her happy memories of the Longhorn State, about how Rep. Barbara Jordan and Gov. Ann Richards were such inspirations to her. Then she launched into how she has pioneered health care for children and families and will continue to do that in the White House. She heartily invited the people of Texas and Ohio to help her "continue to make a difference" for Americans.
Obama, in his turn, assured the audience that he and Clinton were friends before this campaign and will be friends when it's over. Then he talked about how he has encountered families whose mortgages have doubled, people who work two jobs and can't afford health care, communities devastated by jobs shipped overseas. And families whose loved ones have been lost in "a war I believe never should have been authorized." Zing into Clinton, who smiled tightly but looked taken aback.
"Washington is a place where good ideas go to die," Obama said, because "too many politicians are interested in scoring political points rather than" resolving differences to get things done.
So, the gloves are off from the get-go tonight.

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This is straight from the David Axelrod playbook. He had Paul Simon ridicule Charles Percy in a debate for associating with the Dalai Lama; an attack which contradicted everything Paul stood for.


Clinton said she would not meet R. Castro until Cuba jumped through a number of hoops. So, sounds like Bush so far. Mr. "I don't negotiate". Great.


I agree with Hillary. We should just stick our heads in the sand and only play with our friends. If someone pokes us in the behind, well then, it must be an enemy.


What about the situation with China and Russia sending money and weapons to Iran to support Aqueda?
We are importing just about everything from China now. you can't go into a store without seeing almost everything from China and yet they are supporting Iran and Aqueda. What are you going to do about this situation. I find myself not wanting to buy anything because it's from China. Also China has sent us things that have been very life threatening e.g. the flip flops that burned so many feet, the stapples and razor blades in candy this Valentine's day and the dog food that killed so many of our dogs as well as the fillers in food that they used being cardboard. What are you going to do to protect us Americans from these imports and China from doing these kinds of things. They are communists and while we mayh need of course to be able to communicate I and so many others know that they can not be trusted. We need an administration that is going to protect us. Thank you.


I feel many should be concerned more with the horrors of the mortgage crisis. Are we all to live in the streets? what can be done to stop this once and for all!


The reason why Obama opted to go second is because he needs to copy Hillary's thoughts because he has very few of his own. If he had gone first, there would be very little for him to say in terms of solutions other than the one or two minor changes to Hillary's ideas. Good strategy for Obama to go second so as not to seem without substance. He could then gauge his statements to seem like he had more solutions when in fact it is Hillary that has the solutions and Obama caught "plagiarizing" again with a line or two of his own.


I would like to hear the candidates discuss
their proposals for containing/reducing
medical law suits - as part of what contributes to healthcare costs.


This is the fourth straight question that has been posed to Sen Clinton. This is unfair to Sen Obama and tends to skew the debate. It is unfair Three in a row on immigration and now the first question after the commercial is wrong.


its going to be a matter of soul searching.. its transparently either or survivor of the debate brewing history in the making.. anyways..so at this point of time we must strongly participate in the process while becoming an integral part of the history books for next generatons..


Instead of generalities of accomplishments, can Hillary give the bills and results SHE achieved as a leader? I too have been around as long as she has, but watching, even closely, change over time does not make me a doer. Can't SHE acknowelege what Obama has been doing in HIS career?


Either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama will be the democratic nominee. That is a given but it is not at all a certainty that the democratic nominee will win the general election. Getting a democrat in the white house is the ultimate goal. Why can Senators Clinton and Obama shake hands and join together to defeat the Republicans. Toss a coin, draw straws-whatever it takes to put together an Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama ticket. A joint ticket could just about guarantee the change in government that this country so desperately needs.


I think Obama is not being truthful. He can not do any more than Clinton can if he gets in. The special interests he says he hates you can best believe the people who are funding his campaign will have him jumping through hoops. He is raising too much money not to do what they say.


Who won the CNN Democratic Debate in Austin Texas?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1763

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The candidates have not addressed the problem of drug abuse in our society, but drugs are tearing our nation apart, turning our unborn babies into zombies.How are they going to address the drug problem in America.


Sen. Obama wants US political debate to become more mannerly and less nasty so we can work together to solve our problems. How in the heck does he plan to persuade us to do this? Nobody wants to step into the puddle of gunk that started our slide into incivility: the abolution of the Fairness Doctrine by Ronald Reagan, and the installation of FCC boards hostile to everyone but Right wingers. Who's creating the nastiness that Sen. Obama objects to? Lou Dobbs. Hannity and Thing. Rush Limbaugh. We KNOW who they are. What we *don't* know is how to get the genie of hate speech back into the bottle, and I don't see any candidate taking this on -- because it would be an almighty battle about First Amendment Rights, of course. Other civilized countries (mainly in Europe) manage to reconcile free expression with a ban on hate speech. We don't seem to have any interest in doing this. And without an effort in this direction, Sen. Obama or President Obama is still going to have to deal with raging neocons whose ethics have been defined by Carl Rove, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and their ilk.

So -- what's to do?


Senator Obama refused to not only place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem, but refused to say the pledge of allegience to the flag of the United States of America. How is this man going to lead this country and be the Commander in Chief of our military?


Who is going to pay for all this money Obama is talking about. $1000 dollars for us in our pocket (a yr. a day a month???)where is that money coming from. Ultimately it will be from us.


Cuba has been an enemy of ours for years. Don't try beating around the bush Clinton, say it flat out. You too Obama... tell us we're not friends with them, plain and simple.


why arent these comments being posted in real time, so we can see how people feel?


Get it out Clinton, America is not friends with Cuba. Obama tell it like it is... Castro and his brother are not our buddies. America doesn't do communism.


Instead of generalities of accomplishments, can Hillary give the bills and results SHE achieved as a leader? I too have been around as long as she has, but watching, even closely, change over time does not make me a doer. Can't SHE acknowelege what Obama has been doing in HIS career?


Instead of generalities of accomplishments, can Hillary give the bills and results SHE achieved as a leader? I too have been around as long as she has, but watching, even closely, change over time does not make me a doer. Can't SHE acknowelege what Obama has been doing in HIS career?


Please, please.....Senator Clinton....stop Bush Bashing....we get it. Americans are not fools. Instead of ingratiating yourself to the public; you are starting to look ridiculous with your relentless, sardonic comments. What I would like to know is what are you going to do for those of us who are small business owners who have been paying through the nose for health care while people who pay nothing are going to get more and better health care. Some of us wonder how long we can hang on to premiums that are a significant portion of our income.


Q. for Sen. Obama from Newark NJ: How do we get industry and commerce back in our country? Would you consider creating new companies to manufacture goods in America if the old companies won't come home? Americans need jobs they want to work and have affordable housing.


Anyone else like to hear more of what Sen. Clinton was trying to say about Geo. Bush's war against science? I felt that Campbell Brown cut her off before she could make her point.


Want the candidates to talk about what their position is on Wrongfully accused people having to suffer in jail when their is DNA evidence that can clear them.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/clair-dna-rodgers-1954497-prosecutors-evidence


why isnt the mediator mediating this debate? She cannot do her job they should have had someone else.


Oh, yes, Suzy Chamas, you are absolutely right. We need to stand up for the Constitution and the American way. Muzzle people who disagree with us! Label it hate speech! Drag them in front of a committee of some sort to explain why they deserve the right to speak! (And I'll bet you believe that George Bush has "trampled on the Constitution." Tell me I'm wrong.)


Mandatory health care participation = socialized medicine.


Anyone else like to hear more of what Sen. Clinton was trying to say about Geo. Bush's war against science? I felt that Campbell Brown cut her off before she could make her point. YES I WOULD


OH NO, he is going to protect us. sounds like bush


On the War, no one cared until us Moms started buying and sending flack jackets to our kids over there. No one cared, i didnt hear from Obama nor clinton during that time!


How has he 'trampled' the constition. Because the current administration views differ from yours? I am amazed how people go to the exteme in accusations when their opinions differ.


I am not an American, and I am of the opinion that despite being the world Super Power Americans are very naive. When Bush pushed for war, the people of this country blindly followed him. Obama talks and talks and talks but what has he done??? I don't understand why the American public is so enamoured with him. The guys reeks of being fake...I would be extremely surprised if he was able to deliver what he says. For God's sake, the guy doesn't even use his own words.


To Suzy above who said "Other civilized countries (mainly in Europe) manage to reconcile free expression with a ban on hate speech".

Most speech is considered "hate speech" by somebody. There would be no free speech if the only speech that was protected wan non-offensive.

The First Amendment was specifically created to protect that speech that the majority of people did not agree with.

To chracterize some speech as "hate speech" because it doesn't square with your ideology is the antithesis of what America is about.


why is the mediator telling Obama what he was for...can not he speak for himself? This is not a mediator.


And if you don't think Obama has shown the best judgment in everything...his supporters will tell you that either a) you are dumb, b) you are a dinosaur and responsible for all of the problems in American history or c) you are a racist. Or all of the above.


Obama was against the surge. Rather than answer the question now about its succes, he deflects the answer to discusson about debating McCain? Good grief - anyone see what this guy is about?


where is the time constraints when obama speaks...we keep hearing her say its a time constraint when Hillary speaks. Get the mediator out of there!


They both sound nuts -- Hillary promised to help create jobs...in MEXICO and Obama promised to provide health care coverage for every American as good as Congress gets.

They are living in fantasy land.


Please someone please tell CNN to get the mediator off of the set. replace her.


So now Obama promises to do "anything necessary' to protect Americans.

Isn't that the same argument Bush has made in order to implement intel programs which Obama is totally against?

he's an empty suit that is just making promises that have no foundation.


I think a Clinton/Obama ticket would be ideal. (for two terms). Then in eight years Senator Clinton can go on a speaking tour and Obama can run for President!
:)


91 million in earmarks, but he won't say what on TV, you need to get a list later?


Let's remember, Clinton was the one who tried to 'earmark' 2M for a Woodstock museum. They both will spend, spend, spend.


she's a drag, sorry to say


By the way....how come Senator Clinton has more super delegates than Senator Obama? What did she have to promise to get those? AND no, I don't want to hear anything from Senator Clinton about Bush's war on science....please....can these people give us something of substance rather than more glittering generalites.


The positional differences between these candidates are barely recognizable. Tweak one and it's the others. The DIFFERENCE IS -- experience. Hillary Clinton knows the experience of the executive branch. She was an integral part of it for 8 years. Tragically, Bill Clinton's administration came to focus on his penis, so Hillary cannot fully express the invaluable advantage that time in the White House gave her.

And, Hillary has experienced the difference that citizens, making painful sacrifices, can make. She experienced the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's. She participated in the rising up of the youth of this nation to end a war almost as despicable as the war in Irag.

To Obama, that's all a history lesson. We have heard the rhetoric every four years--forever--that the NEW president will take on special interest groups and lobbyists and break their hold over our federal government.

I sincerely believe that Hillary knows what to do. Obama thinks he knows what to do.

And that difference is critical.


They just talked about earmarks, and managed -- both of them -- said McCain's spending record is what they would attack him on when their own earmarking records come up.

What nobody thought to say is that the Iraq War IS McCain's Earmark -- his "bridge to nowhere", and that of the whole Republican Ådministration, which is bankrupting the nation -- and you can't say that about the earmarked spending of either Obama or Clinton.


Tested the most response - Hillary wins hands down.


he's upset. she outdid him at the end.


Obama can not speak off the cuff. He keeps saying the SAME THING every time you see him speak. I find that so annoying!


This is the last post? What a creap. I guess I should have known better from Chicago. That says a lot because I was born and raised there. But seriously, Hillary was fantastic, she is incredible. I was much more stellar and intelligent. Post this.


Oh my goodness, what a drama queen, I thought she was working herself up into a cry since that's what gained her some attention before. PLEASE tell me the American people are not that easily fooled. What a staged performance by Hillary. Can't the American people see that she is the same ole politics!!!!!!!!!!!!


Obama is for health care. He sent a letter of support to keep a hospital in East St. Louis. I would like to know how can he restore cities such as East St. Louis back to its greatness? He is the Senator of Illinois!


I am glad I am in my 50s. I won't have to be taxed to death too much longer by the dem's entitlement programs discussed tonight. By the time I retire, heathcare costs, college costs, etc. will be covered by you younger guys through payroll taxes. Good luck and thank you.


That last response was possibly the phoniest thing i have seen in my life. Yuck!


I sent the following question to both CNN and Univision last week, hoping they would ask it. They didn't.

"Senator X, if neither you nor Senator Y win the nomination at the end of the primary process, and the decision goes to the Convention, would you accept the nomination if you were selected only by the vote of the superdelegates and had not won the popular vote in the primaries, and, if so, why?"


I BELIEVE THAT ALL DEBATES SHOULD BE MODERATED BY SOMEONE OF THE OPPOSITE PARTY. OR AT LEAST SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT VOTE. THE BEST WOULD BE A NOT US CITIZEN. THIS LOOKED LIKE A STAGED PRESENTATION. THEY ESSENTIALLY WERE PATRONIZING EACH OTHER. HOW IGNORANT ARE THE VOTERS.
IF YOU INCREASE THE TAXES FOR THE RICH TO GIVE TO THE POOR THE RICH WILL FIND MORE TAX BREAKS. THE RICH DEMOCRATS USE THEM AS WELL. OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE SUGGESTING IT. NO PRES CAN GIVE US THE MONETARY IMPROVEMENTS THEY OFFER WITHOUT THE HELP OF CONGRESS. THEN IT WOULD MEAN MORE TAXES FOR ALL OF US.


"Just this week," she pointed out, we had elections in Pakistan..change of government in Cuba, independence in Kosovo and our embassy in Serbia set on fire.


So what's Hillary's point? The embassy fire was a direct response to our recognizing Kosovo. Was she against that? Was there anything else that could have been done?

Pakistan and Cuba are internal matters and we can't do anything about them, either.

So what's Hillary's point. Things happen all over the world and the president normally does not respond to any of them. If the president did, he/she would look like a chicken running around with his head cut off - or Jimmy Carter redux.


What was the moment that tested you the most, the candidates are asked.

Isn't this a repeat of a question asked during a previous debate? I swear I remember Hillary's answer from a previous debate. Are these the "tough questions" Hillary complained that Obama didn't want to face in a debate? Repeats?

Come on. These debates are silly. Get back on the stump and promise us koolaid and ice cream and day World Series games....


Tested the most response - Hillary wins hands down.

Posted by: Susan | February 21, 2008 9:42 PM

Laughable. Hillary's husband cheated on her and she had to see face-to-face the kids whose lives she ruined by putting their fate in the hands of GW.

Yeah. She wins that question. All of her own doing. I guess we can expect more of that kind of EXPERIENCE if Hillary gets to the White House.


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America doesn't do communism.

Posted by: ellyn | February 21, 2008 9:05 PM
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Except when it buys $600 billion dollars of stuff every year from Communist China.


Hillary was awesome! That last line sealed the debate. Maybe not the election but definitely the election.

Obama talks about his hard life as a teenager doing things wrong and learning from it. What kind of great struggle is that??? Geeez. . .

Clinton talks about how it is the American People that struggles and not herself.

Bingo! But, she should have done that one day ONE! Too late now. . .the cattles are already out of the fence. Can't stop the stampede. Just get out of the way. . .hehehe


What about Hillary’s closing remarks? Masterfully done, I’ll grant. However, there’s something there that you may have missed. Let’s remember that the debate was in Texas, the heart of the Bible belt. In Texas there’s one or more Baptist, Methodist and/or Church of God churches on prominent corners in most every town from Podunk to Dallas. I was trained as an insurance salesman and a Southern Baptist minister (20 years), and anyone trained by—or having been confronted by—either of these professions should recognize a fundamental ploy of that training; you always close a revival sermon or a life insurance sales pitch with a death-bed scene or a tear-jerker poem. And, if you have a mike handy, you get as close to it as possible, put on your best sheep-dog face and speak in a low, soft voice. Add that to her remark, “I have felt called by my faith.” Not too fundamentalist to offend the liberal establishment, but “down home” enough for those thousands of conservative Christians to connect with—most of whom want their ministers and leaders to be “called,” but more to the point, by God, not just their faith.

A dollar to a dough-nut says she had advice from someone who’s savvy to the Bible-belt psyche, and told her that tears work with women everywhere, and with most men almost every where, and a good tear jerker confession will wow’em in Texas. I was a bit surprised that the campaign-hardened media pundits fell for it, hook, line and stinker. All that being said, it’s better to hear her project a motherly side that that horse laugh she’s ridden across the country on. And of course, there was Chelsie by her side. Nice touch.


Well, it's good to see that Clinton's best moment in the debates was a "Xerox" of what Edwards said previously.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo


I do believe Obama did better then he did in the last debate however I believe most of the questions were pretty dull and some open ended. Hillary did very well and some of the Obama supporters on here should take note of this. As a hispanic, I can not see how Obama clicked with me. I have been undecided and I really see now that Hillary is going to be my choice. He did not show me that he knew what it was to live without. He also confused me about the whole Cuba thing. I believe that my voice is clearly heard with Hillary


Everyone that is supporting Obama has not checked his record of experience. Heck, I've volunteered more times than he has for society. He also can not take credit for accomplishing things in the IL congress. Just because you vote for something doesn't mean that it was your idea or your project that was passed to help people. CNN and any other media that is basically responsible for shoving Obama down our throats has obviously learned a lot from news media's from communistic countries that filters information, only giving the information to make Obama look good and Hillary look bad. It's amazing when Obama was further behind than Hillary it was a close race, but now they portray her as being far behind. Obama was not on the committee for death penalty reform in IL; I know because research shows that his name is no where on the committee for the death penalty reform. I'm sick and tired of Obama taking credit for things he has agreed with but never spearheaded the program or problem solved to come up with the idea, law or program. People should specifically ask him to explain exactly what his role was in the death penalty reformation and everything else he is taking credit for accomplishing. I know 1st hand that the only thing Obama has experience with is running for office, 1st for IL congress, US senator and now president. Hillary on the other hand has the following experience that can be found on www.hillaryclinton.com I am giving you the web-site because her list of accomplishments are too long to list.

If you truly want to help your country you will want to vote for someone who for her entire adult life has been a problem solver who has pioneered many programs that have helped millions of people. Hillary Clinton has a proven record of changing millions of human lives for the better. A vote for Hillary Clinton is a guarantee of getting our country back on track whereas a vote for Barack is a crap shoot. Please research the candidates! Don’t go on hearsay, the media or even my words of wisdom. Research the facts. All the information is right at your finder tips! This reminds me of people who vote for unqualified judges without knowing their experience and not electing the qualified ones just because they didn’t do the research. Before you vote; research the candidates. If all people actually researched the candidates, the best person would actually win. Instead people are influenced by marketing more so than anything else. Consumer reports help to protect us from purchasing something just because of the marketing. As most people can attest to they don’t necessarily research their product before purchasing. They are influenced by the marketing package which is a big mistake! Don’t be influenced by the package. Barack has never gotten anything passed. Both presidential candidates are intelligent and care about people. As soon as Barack actually accomplishes a fraction of what Hillary has accomplished I would consider voting for him 8 years down the line. Hillary even beats Barack in the best attorney category. Hillary was twice named one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America. I don’t believe Barack got that award even once. I still have not run into one Barack supporter that has researched both candidates. On the other hand, many of Hillary Clinton’s supporters have researched both candidates. By the way it is an intelligent move to research the candidates and a very uneducated choice not to research them. People that attest to being intelligent for voting for Obama are hilarious! I challenge any Obama supporter to vote for Obama after having thoroughly researched both candidates. Do the right thing!!!!!!! These are our lives we’re talking about!! Obama can be vice president and learn from Hillary Clinton how to get things accomplished. By the way if you thoroughly research the candidates you will find that Hillary and Bill very nicely helped Barack to get elected to the senate. Hillary even waited out a bad storm to attend a fund raiser for Barack. When arriving at the Senate Barack tried to learn as much as he could from Hillary. When did Barack ever help Hillary? I haven’t found any research that showed Barack helping Hillary. It appears as if he has only taken from Hillary. From an intellectual standpoint and a moral standpoint, it just isn’t ethical the way Barack used Hillary for his own political gain!


Well, I take back my earlier post. I checked the transcript and CNN’s Jorge Ramos did ask a superdelegate question, which both candidates answered. Clinton punted in my view.

"MR. RAMOS: As we can see, this has been an extremely close nomination battle that will come down to superdelegates. And House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the highest-ranking Democrat in government, said recently -- and I'm quoting -- "It would be a problem" -- and this is a question for you, Senator Clinton -- "It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided." Do you agree?

SEN. CLINTON: Well, you know, these are the rules that are followed, and I -- you know, I think that it'll sort itself out. I'm not worried about that. We will have a nominee, and we will a unified Democratic Party, and we will go on to victory in November. (Cheers, applause.)

MS. BROWN: Senator Obama, go ahead. Do you have a response to Senator Clinton?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, I think it is important, given how hard Senator Clinton and I have been working, that these primaries and caucuses count for something. (Applause.) And so my belief is that -- that the will of the voters, expressed in this long election process, is what ultimately determine who our next nominee is going to be."


I AM A YELLOW DOG DEMOCRAT, BUT I CANNOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, HE WAS RAISED BY MUSLIMS AND ATHESIST AND I CANNOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE WITH THAT UPBRINGING, SOME IT HAS TO HAVE ABSORBED INTO OBAMA, THERE IS NOT A WAY IT COULD NOT HAVE, NOT POSSIBLE. I CANNOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE THAT MIGHT TURN ON US SINCE WE ARE FIGHTING THE MUSLINS. I WILL VOTE FOR A REBUBLICAN FIRST, AND THIS WILLBE A FIRST. I REALLY HOPE HILLERY WINS, SHE WILL DO A GOOD JOB. DELORES JOHNSON


I believe it wouldn't matter what Clinton did in the debate, but attack was certainly a mistake.

She is an intelligent, capable person, but Clinton is brittle, metallic-sounding, and we are, so many of us, just tired of the Clintons.

She is up against a man who has genuine grace, a very rare quality in American politics. The smooth, classy way he handles attacks is remarkable. Brilliance and grace - we'll not see that combination again for a long time.

A self-wounded McCain is going to be the Republicans' reluctant choice - the religious right will never forgive him now - and Obama will defeat him, easily.

Clinton would actually make it possible for McCain to win because there are so many Americans who just do not like her, and just as many who never want to see her glamorous but ethically rank-smelling husband anywhere near Washington again.


Would freezing interest rates for 5 yrs., as Hillary supports, be wise for the older middle class people who depend on that interest as a part of their income?

This is one topic not addressed by any of the candidates. I know we savers don't count but it is not giving our country the right message. If nothing else, we should be rewarded for saving. A different rate chould apply for senior citizens and young children who save for college. Where have old fashioned values gone. Please try to get this message out there for consideration.


When you recommend freezing interest rates for 5 yrs., do you realize how it will affect savers? Old people using their interest as income and also, this will discourage young people from saving. This was not a good idea and if you were out here in the real world, you would know how hard it is for some people. You are "hitting" the savers and that is the last thing we need. Please try to address this topic and make changes. Perhaps raising interest rates for certain people, especially the youth, would be wise. I beg you to respond on air. Thank you.


Please, addrress the drug problem in this country. It is ruining our youth.

Also, encourage people to save money from childhood on. Reward people who do the right thing to provide for themselves. Help them help themselves.


Hillary, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. First you accuse Obama of plagiarism, then you get all gushy (which didn't fool me for a second) and say how "honored" you are to be in the presence of Senator Obama. You are a typical two-faced politician. America deserves better.


I believe that Senator Obama,looked and acted much morepresidential,than Senator Clinton.
Both of them had many substance position,but Obama came across much more
sincere. It is sad that the
both of them decided to run at the same time.
We know that one/or the other will be elected by the people for the next president of these great United States. We need to come out of this state of depression. May the best person wins.


My! My! Quite a tear-jerking finale by Clinton. Her "heartfelt" sympathy goes out for our wounded military veterans, But, Hiliary, that's what happens when you vote for war!


bluethunder wrote:

"Clinton said she would not meet R. Castro until Cuba jumped through a number of hoops. So, sounds like Bush so far. Mr. "I don't negotiate". Great".


I was actually surprised at Hillary's response in reference to meeting with Castro. She is so combative and can not get enough debates with Obama, calling Obama "Chicken" if he refuses to debate with her.

yet, when it comes to negotiating with those who appeares to really be the enemy, she needs to have it written in stone that "she" will not be hurt... reads like "fear" of the real enemy to me...


We need to get them to tell us how they plan to handle our "Political Prisoners" rights DAY 1.

We need to hear exactly how each of them will manage the transition from Bush to a new Administration from a worldview perspective.

What about specifics on managing oil prices in the immediate future. Timeline to get us energy independent and steps.

I thought Hillary won the debate. Barak was "me too" but so far substance has lost over style so she needs to step up style points.

Barbara


The thing that burns me about all these candidates and their debates is that they promise to fix everything from stopped up toilets to sunbursts, none of which the president has the power to do. Hillary latches on to the morning’s headlines in her stump speeches and promises to fix meat packing errors and ill conceived home purchases. About as close to the beef packing she will get is serving steak to Bubba in one of their multi-million dollar homes (along with, maybe, some of Tammy Wynette’s cookine). As for the housing crisis, it will have passed well into history by the time a new president (God forbid it should be Ms. Bubba) is in office. All laws have to come from the Congress. The president may use the “bully pulpit” to get certain things done, but the past 20 or 30 years’ experience argues against it. The Dems have had congress for 2 years now and haven’t passed diddily squat. This Congress makes HST’s “do nothing” congress look like a beehive of activity. They have spent all their venom for the past 7 years badmouthing Bush, and, when he is out, their whole reason for being will vanish and great silence will fall over Washington—which may be the best thing that could happen to our country.

As for Obama, he has given me hope: I hope the thinking people of this nation will send him back to his home state till he is out of diapers and dry behind the ears. He’s a good man, I suppose, but he’s naiveté personified.



If you can pick'n sing, feel free to video this, as far as I'm concerned, THOUGH I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE ORIGINAL COPYRIGHT

Looking Toward a Billary Presidency:


Mammas, Don’t Let Your Daughters Grow Up To Be interns


Mammas, don’t let your daughters grow up to be interns,
Don’t let them go serving the pres an’ her man.
Let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such.
Mammas, don’t let your daughters grow up to be interns,
‘Cos Bills in the Whitehouse with nothing to do
Lookin’ for someone to love.

Interns are easy to love and they’re not hard to hold
When offered a ceegar or pendants of gold
Slick Willie’s wand’rin’ the halls of the past
. With his fly open at half mast.
But Hill’ry understands him, so he didn’t die young,
‘Cos Willie’s just made that way.

Willie likes smoking dipped ceegars on clear DC mornings,
Willing young interns who’ll act like girls of the night.
Them that don't know him won't like him and them that do,
Sometimes won't know how to take him.
He ain't wrong, he's just different, it’s his libido that makes him,
Do things he knows ain’t quite right.

Mammas, don’t let your daughters grow up to be interns,
Don’t let them go serving the pres an’ her man.
Let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such.
Mammas, don’t let your daughters grow up to be interns,
‘Cos Bills in the Whitehouse with nothing to do
Lookin’ for someone to love.


Hey Texas, Don't forget that Hillary Clinton was the CEO of Wal-Mart during the time that they were being sued for sexism against women. Also don't forget she was paid millions by pharmacies to shut her mouth about public health care. She can't even control her husband, let alone a country. Obama is the clear choice.
All the best,
KJ ;-)


I am shocked by the ignorance of some of the comments on this site such as the one by KJ that states Hillary was CEO of Walmart which is completely untrue. Thant she was paid millions by pharmacies, get a clue KJ she was their worst nightmare and they did everything they could to shut her down. Finally that she should be somehow to blame for her husband's infidelities is outrages. She was a victim and a courageous and loyal wife, characteristics not seen as much anymore.

I want to urge everyone that reads this comment to research both candidates for themselves and not depend on the media or trend. I firmly believe that if you were to choose one of the two candidates with your very life, money and family you would CHOOSE HILLARY CLINTON. (That is once you have thorougly researched the candidates and their qualifications for the top job.)


RE: Concerned—

I have to disagree with that “loyal wife” remark. I rather think it was a calculated political move to salvage her only hope to move from the president’s family quarters to the oval office. You’re right about Walmart, she wasn’t CEO--that takes talent--she was on the Board—that just takes political connections that are as beneficial for the company as they are for the boardmember.

As to Hillary’s accomplishments, I don’t see it. Everything she’s done from college on has been on the coat tails of Bill, or on a government dole. Even her job as an attorney was a political “good ole boy” arrangement. She let herself get dragged into a bogus real estate scam, totally blew that much-touted healthcare fiasco, made that idiotic Tammy Wynette comment about being cuckolded by her libido-addicted husband, and brags about visiting 80 countries as 1st lady as her credentials to the Whitehouse—most of which were PR visits and not diplomatic contacts. If visiting countries is qualification for the presidency, why not let Chelsie run, since she went along on many of those jaunts. Where I live, we had an 85 year old lady who was more active in social movement than Hillary ever was—she did voter registration, worked at voting locations, got a senior citizens’ activity center and apartments built in a mountain community, lobbied the county gov. until she got a dangerous highway curve and intersection rebuilt, helped at local flu-shot clinics, etc., etc. One thing she never did was claim she was qualified to be president.

If Hillary’s handling of her campaign funds is any indication of her fiscal responsibility, God help us if she ever gets any control of the national treasury. Hillary’s appeal is as old as the Democratic party: Give us your money and we will take care of you; if you don’t have any money we’ll see that you get some of somebody else’s. I think my wife may have said it best: Hillary just wants to be everybody’s grandmother, so long as no one dares criticize how she does it. If she has to shed a tear or two in public to get the job done, she’s up to that too.

Throwing money around is not problem solving, if it were Las Vegas would be the US Capital.


She would be great for the economy.....remember the good ole days of Bill Clinton when USA was an economic giant. Raja Sohaib Akhtar


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