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Posted February 13, 2008 3:34 PM
The Swamp

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by James Oliphant

Hello. Your correspondent is jammed into a seat in a House of Representatives office building that the people at Air Tran would envy. A line of onlookers hoping to get a glimpse of today's witness, star pitcher Roger Clemens, runs down the corridor. (One woman is wearing a Yankee jersey and cap, as if she's attending a spring training game.) It's the biggest day on the Hill in a long time. And the Swamp will will be bringing you the play-by-play as it happens. Stay here. (Refresh the page or reload this page often so that you can see the very latest.)

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3:15. Clemens walks out of an anteroom next to the hearing room and stops to shake hands and sign autographs. He signs a Yankees jersey of an Arlington, Va. woman who has been waiting here since 9 a.m. A mob follows him down the corridor. Cell phone cameras snap. A reporter yells out, "Roger, are you afraid you'll be charged or go to jail?"

"NO" he bellows.

He is escorted out of the building while his lawyers, Rusty Hardin and Lanny Breuer, take questions from the media.

2:40. Waxman is wrapping it up. He goes back to the idea of Pettitte supporting McNamee's testimony. "Doesn't mean he was not mistaken, sir!" Clemens yells. Waxman bangs the gavel, tells Clemens he is out of order.

2:35. Clemens says he preaches the evils of steroids to kids. "It's a self-inflicted penalty. I want children to know that."

2:32.. Rep. Diane Watson says "I really don't know where this hearing is going." (After four and half hours, there is a grumbling assent in the crowd.)

2:28. Rep. Christopher Shays calls McNamee a police officer who became a drug dealer. "Mr. McNamee, you are a drug dealer." (McNamee used to work as a cop in New York.)

"That's your opinion," McNamee says.

"You were dealing in them, yes?" Shays asks.

"Yes," McNamee says.

"and they were illegal." Shays continues.

"Yes."

(That, Mr. McNamee, is known as a syllogism.)

Now, Rep. Issa just called him a "drug pusher" who deceives people.

"He deceived me!" Clemens exclaims.

2:25. A spirited exchange between Rep. Elijah Cummings and Clemens in which Cummings drills down as to why Andy Pettitte would incriminate his friend Clemens if it wasn't true. "It's just hard to believe you sir," Cummings says.

2:18. Clemens says he believes baseball "is moving in the right direction" in dealing with the steroids issue.

2:17. Charlie Scheeler, an investigator who worked with Sen. Mitchell in preparing the report, testifies that Clemens and other players were given ample opportunity to tell their side of the story, but that investigators turned down both by the players and the players union. Clemens says the players union never notified him about the specific allegations against him.

2:06. Clemens reads a statement from his wife, Debby, in which she describes McNamee giving her a "test shot" of HGH while Clemens was out of the house. She says Clemens told her to "back off this. We need to learn more about it." Clemens says his wife "feels like pawn."

2:03. Rep. Virginia Foxx blasts the hearing, saying its a waste of taxpayer dollars. More notably, she does so with an aide showing a giant poster of Clemens pitching, which may show where her loyalties lie. The poster shows Clemens pitching for Boston, Toronto, New York and Houston. "I'm no expert," she says, "but you appear to be the same size in all four photos."

"My body didnt change," Clemens says.

1:55. The nation is watching. I receive an email from a friend who is a lawyer, who says that despite the beating he has taken at the hands of the committee, McNamee didn't have much to lose: "McNamee had a lower bar, having come into the hearing as a perjuring fake trainer who repeatedly injected illegal drugs into the [rears] of professional athletes to permit them to gain an unfair advantage. He comes out of the hearing a perjuring fake trainer who repeatedly injected illegal drugs into the [rears] of professional athletes to permit them to gain an unfair advantage. Clemens had a little more at stake."

1:52. Rep. Darrell Issa asks McNamee if the "numerous lies" that he has told undermines the credibility of the Mitchell Report. McNamee says no, it doesn't.

1:46. Official jump the shark moment for the hearing: Braley asks Clemens if he's been diagnosed with dementia. Everyone laughs. (Braley is talking about Clemens B-12 use.) Then he asks if Clemens is a vegan.

"I don't know what that is," Clemens says, in all seriousness. (They don't have vegans in Texas.)

1:42. Brian McNamee's very bad day continues. He's being beaten up now for assisting professional athletes in injecting steroids by Rep. Bruce Braley, who says that McNamee is a terrible role model for his 16-year old son.

1:37. Clemens is talking about representing the US in the World Baseball Classic. And pitching in the All-Star game at the last minute. "I'm an easy person to find," Clemens barks. He's saying that neither George Mitchell nor Commissioner Bud Selig ever reached out to contact him about McNamee's allegations.

1:33. "This man has never given me HGH or steroids of any kind," Clemens says. In case you are just joining us.

1:27. Perhaps Clemens should wear a cap with Tom Davis' name on his Hall of Fame plaque. Davis is Clemens' best friend today. Now he is rehabbing Nannygate, painting Waxman's veiled accusations of witness tampering as a a situation where Clemens and his beneficient legal team was helping a poor immigrant prepare for a grilling by the committee.

We're back on Jose Canseco's party or non-party. Clemens says he or his family may have gone by the house, but he certainly "wasn't there to do a drug deal."

Now Davis is roasting McNamee on misrepresenting his professional credentials. McNamee may want a B-12 shot at this point.

1:21. Yes, I understand that that is kind of pathetic.

1:20. As the hearing steams past its third hour, the primary concern of the press corps is power. Batteries on laptops are running low. Your correspondent secured the last plug on a power strip. Ka-ching. Things are looking up!

1:15. A break in the hearing. The Rayburn building cafeteria gives you a choice of Jalapeno or Lime and Black Pepper potato chips. So now we even have performance-enhanced chips. We can't just have barbeque? And, by the way, why can soda companies spend millions running ads during the Super Bowl but can't develop a plastic bottle that keeps soda cold. And why am I channelling Andy Rooney?

12:51. D.C. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton asks Clemens why he kept employing McNamee considering the two had a falling out. "I'm a very forgiving person," Clemens replies. Some in the crowd laugh. "I'm sure you are going to heaven," Norton says.

12:38. Nannygate! Waxman is asking Clemens why he and his lawyers wouldn't give the committee the name and contact information of his former nanny (whom McNamee remembers seeing at Jose Canseco's infamous 1998 barbeque) until earlier this week. The committee spoke to the nanny just yesterday. Waxman said Clemens asked her to come to his house in Houston last Sunday. Only then, Waxman says, did Clemens' lawyers turned over the name of the nanny.

"I was trying to do you all a favor," Clemens says, by tracking down the nanny. His lawyer Rusty Hardin stands and up and objects, saying Waxman can't ask Clemens about what advice his lawyers have given him. "It sure raises the appearance of impropriety," Waxman says.

His other lawyer, Lanny Breuer, complains. "This is nothing but innuendo. We have cooperated fully."

Waxman says, "The rules do not allow lawyers to speak." (Making this committee room perhaps the only place in America where this is so.)

Clemens says he's hurt by the allegation of witness-tampering.

12:34: Rep. William Lacy Clay asks McNamee if he has a deal in place with federal prosecutors in exchange for his testimony. McNamee says he doesn't.

12:30. Clemens: "I was raised by great strong women. They gave me my will and my determination." He says that McNamee is taking credit for making his career. He says he had won four Cy Youngs before he ever met McNamee (who says professional athletes don't keep track?) "My career didnt happen by accident."

12:28. Of course, no sooner did I write the below than Rep. Mark Souder tries to bolster McNamee's credibility by again pointing out that key parts of his testimony were supported by the depositions of Andy Pettitte and Chuck Knoblauch.

12:25. This hearing is taking on more and more of a partisan feel. Largely, the Republican members of the Government Reform Committee seem more sympathetic to Clemens, the Democrats more skeptical. Rep. Patrick McHenry of North Carolina just passed around a statement accusing Democrats in the House of wasting time on baseball instead of focusing on issues like immigration and the economy.

12:20. I'm hungry.

12:18. Rep. Carolyn Maloney is pointing out inconsistencies in Clemens' statements, saying that Clemens told Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes that he didn't speak to Mitchell during his investigation on the advice of his lawyer. But Clemens testified in his deposition repeatedly that he had no idea that Mitchell wanted to talk to him.

Clemens says he was never told by his lawyer or anyone associated with Mitchell that he was being implicated. Maloney wonders whether his agents did him a disservice.

12:13. Rep. John Mica is asking McNamee about the physical evidence he has. McNamee says that if the blood on the gauze is DNA tested, it will prove to be Clemens. Clemens doesn't deny that McNamee could have material with his blood on it.

"Brian McNamee has never given me growth hormone or steroids," Clemens says again, in case you just tuned in.

12:03. Waxman: "Just for the record, there was an injury to Mr. Clemens' buttocks." Sigh. This is where we are.

11:55. Rep. Tom Davis tries to rehab Clemens, saying that Lynch ambushed him with the medical expert report and that the committee had only seen the report that morning. "This is a new definition of lynching," Davis says. A soft groan rustles through the hearing room.

11:47. Now it is Clemens' turn to get it. Rep. Lynch is discussing an MRI obtained of Clemens after he suffered an injury to his buttocks. McNamee has testified that Clemens developed an abscess on his buttocks because he injected Winstrol, a steroid, too quickly. Lynch says that independent medical review of the MRI suggests that Clemens' injury was caused by an injection of a steroid, not B-12 or anything else.

"How can this all be wrong?" Lynch says.

There, apparently, is a separate expert report the committee has that reaches the opposite conclusion. "We've had a Dr. O'Malley review everything," Clemens says. "And he says there were no steroids."

Clemens says he has given the committee all documents and material it has requested. O'Malley is a physician at Baylor University in Texas who was retained by Clemens and his defense team.

11:36. Rep. Dan Burton is popping McNamee like a pinata. He presses him on why he saved gauze pads and needles used by Clemens for five years but then didn't turn them over the investigators working for George Mitchell. Then he smacks him for initially testifying that he had no physical evidence in his possession. "Do you just lie when it's convenient?" Burton asks him.

"Gee whiz, are you kidding me?" Burton says. "My goodness."

He pushes McNamee about why he originally would not implicate Clemens or Pettitte. He asks him about the Canseco barbeque. He has, by a quick count, gotten McNamee to admit he has lied at least six or seven times. "This is really disgusting," an irate Burton says. "We have lie after lie after lie after lie. I don't know what to believe. I know one thing I don't believe and that's you!"

Burton asks how Clemens can get his reputation back. "If he's done something wrong, he ought to be indicted, he ought to be punished for it. But I dont see any evidence of that so far."

11:25. Rep. Tierney attacks Clemens on credibility, saying that he told committee investigators that he had never discussed HGH with McNamee. But later Clemens said that he and McNamee talked about Debby Clemens using HGH. Clemens says he was referring to discussions with McNamee before that conversation.

Clemens: "I never had a detailed conversations with Brian McNamee about HGH."

But Clemens says that conversation about Debby was "extremely" heated. Clemens searched McNamee's luggage at the time to make sure there were no drugs in it.


11:18. Clemens said he had been taking B-12 since 1988, because of the advice from his mother. He said McNamee gave him three shots of B-12 in Toronto, two in New York.

McNamee replies: "The first time I heard of Roger Clemens taking B-12 was on 60 Minutes." (I believe the congressional term of art for that response is: Snap!)

11:15. More attacks on McNamee. The trainer has testified that Clemens attended a barbeque hosted by former Yankee outfielder Jose Canseco in 1998 in which he believes Clemens first came into possession of steroids. Davis says that neither Canseco, his wife, or other Yankees on the team, remember Clemens attending the barbeque. Clemens has produced a receipt showing he played golf that day.

"I have two distinct recollections of that party," McNamee says. He says he saw Roger and Debby Clemens at the party.


11:11. TMI alert! McNamee said that Clemens began travelling with small band aids to put on his rear after he bled through his designer pants from the injections. Clemens denies this occurred.

11:08. Davis continues to attack McNamee's credibility, asking why during a phone conversation after the Mitchell Report was made public, he never told Clemens that he had told the truth about Clemens' drug use. Instead, McNamee just said, "It is what it is." Clemens sent McNamee an email after that conversation saying that if McNamee would not tell the truth, they had nothing to talk about. McNamee never responded to the email.

11:05. Rep. Tom Davis asks McNamee why the number of times he says he injected Clemens, Knoblauch and Pettitte keeps growing each time he talks about it.

"The ballpark for Knoblauch went from 7 to 9 times to 50 times," Davis says.

McNamee says he injected Knoblauch four times a week.


11:03. Pettitte said he told McNamee about Clemens' use of HGH and that McNamee grew angry, saying Clemens use was supposed to be confidential. McNamee confirms this.

11:00. From Andy Pettitte's affidavit:

In 1999 or 2000 I had a conversation with Roger Clemens in which Roger told me he had taken human growth hormone. This conversation occurred at his gym in Memorial, Texas. And he did not tell me who he got the HGH from but he did tell me that it helped the body recover.

10:52. Under questioning, Clemens says Pettitte misheard him. He again denies taking steroids or HGH. Clemens says that when Pettitte told him about his own HGH use, "I was shocked."

10:47. Theme of the morning: It's all about the kids.

10:44. McNamee: "I now believe that the number of times I injected Roger Clemens and Chuck Knoblauch was actually greater than I initially stated.

I don't think I ever really trusted (Clemens). I just had that sense that if this ever blew up and things got messy, Roger would be looking out for number one."

10:40. "I'm not just a ballplayer," Clemens says. "I am a human being." As has been the case, it's hard for Clemens to keep an undercurrent of anger from his voice. "I've been accused of something I'm not guilty of. How do you prove a negative? I am never going to have my name restored."

"Let me be clear," he says. "I have never taken steroids or HGH."

10:36. The money shot. Clemens and McNamee swear under oath to tell the truth. Clemens to start with an opening statement.

From McNamee's opening statement.

And make no mistake. When I told Senator Mitchell that I injected Roger Clemens with performance enchancing drugs, I told the truth. I told the truth about steroids and human growth hormone. I injected those drugs into the body of Roger Clemens at his direction.

And let me be clear, despite Roger Clemens' statements to the contrary, I never injected Roger Clemens -- or anyone else -- with lidocaine or B-12.

I have no reason to lie and every reason not to. If I lie, I will be prosecuted.

10:25. Waxman basically has accused Clemens of lying in his depostion to the committee. He points to Clemens denial of conversations with McNamee about HGH. Clemens said they never happened. "There is also a direct conflict in the testimony of Mr. Clemens and Mr. Pettitte," Waxman says. Pettitte said he had at least two conversations with Clemens about HGH, which Clemens denies.

Clemens said he told Pettitte that his wfie, Debby, used HGH, not him. Clemens said the injections by McNamee to Debby Clemens occurred without his knowledge. McNamee said Clemens asked him to do it.

In an affidavit, Pettitte described conversations with Clemens about Clemens use of HGH, which Clemens now denies occurred. Pettitte told his wife about the conversations.

Pettitte's wife told the committee about two conversations she had with Pettitte, years apart, in which Pettitte said Clemens told him he used HGH.


10:19. Of Clemens and McNamee, Waxman says 10:15. Waxman says that during his deposition, former Yankee infielder Chuck Knoblauch used Human Growth Hormone more times than specified in the Mitchell Report. And Andy Pettitte said he also injected HGH into himself more times than described in the Mitchell Report. The last in 2004.

"I have to tell you the truth," Waxman quotes Pettitte as saying. "Mr. Pettitte's consistent honesty makes him a role model on or off the field."

10:10. Waxman says the hearing is intended to probe into the section of the Mitchell Report that deals with McNamee's allegations that he injected Clemens with illegal steroids during his playing career. Waxman says that by denying the allegations so vociferously, Clemens basically asked for this hearing.


10:05. Clemens just entered the room to a whir of cameras. He is sitting with Brian McNamee at a table before the House Government Reform Committee chaired by Rep. Henry Waxman of California.

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Comments

Who cares!!! Maybe the congress should start working on health care initiatives or fixing social security. Let's start focusing on more important matters.


As for those who used the HGH steroide, the commission of baseball should pull every record achieved by these players. it is not fair for those who have worked hard to achieve the goal in making it to the majors. The HGH is like having that ace up one's sleeve, it is CHEATING! This is the bottom line. I love the game and still was playing till just last year, and those who participate in the game, still love it as it was before, a great game.


"WAXMAN SPEAKS"

WE REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS, BUT WE CAN'T SEEM TO GET THE WHITE HOUSE TO TURN OVER ANY LOST EMAILS RELATING TO "CAGING VOTES" OR "PURGING OF THE PROSECUTORS" FOR POLITICAL GAIN.

WE REALLY CAN'T GET TO OUR JOB BY GETTING SECRETARY RICE ON THE HILL LONG ENOUGH THIS SECOND TERM TO ASK HER IF SHE IS STILL SECRETARY OF STATE AND WHAT IS A "AUGMENTATION" TO A WAR.

WE REALLY CAN'T GET THE PRESIDENT OR VICE PRESIDENT TO ANSWER IF THE VICE PRESIDENT IS PART OF THE "EXECUTIVE BRANCH" OR NOT.

WE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT ALLOW THIS ADMINISTRATION TO DICTATE THE DISTRACTION FOR THE DAY.

ROGER YOU ARE IT. WE HAVE YOUR EMAILS, WE HAVE YOUR RECORDED CONVERSATIONS, THANKS TO AT&T AND VERIZON WIRELESS BACK IN 2001 WHEN GEORGE BUSH ORDERED THIS INVESTIGATION.

ROGER YOU SHOULD HAVE LEFT THE YANKEES SOONER, ANDY DID, AND GUESS WHAT, GEORGE BUSH OLD BASEBALL TEAM HANDED YOU A GOOD ONE, BUT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO TESTIFY AGAINST BARRY BONDS, ALL WOULD BE FORGIVEN!


"MADAME SPEAKER SPEAKS"

WE GOT THE TRANSCRIPTS, AT&T HAS ALREADY PROVIDED US WITH DETAILED PHONE CALLS,EMAILS AND THE CONGRESSIONAL SERVER THEY ARE STORED ON. SO EVEN THOUGH ROGER CLEMENS ISN'T A THREAT TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY, AND WE DIDN'T GET A FISA WARRANT PRIOR TO WIRETAPPING HIS CALLS TO AND FROM HIS WIFE.

WE ARE COMPELLED TO VOTE YES ON THE PRESIDENT "IMMUNITY" FOR HIMSELF AND DICK CHENEY BUT FOR AT&T AND VERIZON WIRELESS AS THEY ARE BEING SUED LIKE "MICROSOFT" WAS SUED BY US.

NO SENSE IN BUSHGATE GETTING ANY BIGGER, OR CONGRESSMAN CONYERS LOOKING TO IMPEACH OR CENSOR US.

IMMUNITY MEANS STIMULUS, NO IMMUNITY NO STIMULUS HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI.

LONG LIVE QWEST, THE TRUE MA BELL IN AMERICA WITH PRIVACY.

WE ARE COMPELLED AS HOUSE MEMBERS TO END OUR "CONGRESSIONAL CHURN" AS THE "SECRETARY" DEMANDED US TO DO.

WE ARE LITTLE PEOPLE ON THE HILL THAT HAVE TO USE OUR BLACKBERRYS AND OUR CELL PHONES TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR FAMILIES, COLLEAGUES, MISTRESS, BOYFRIENDS IN THE BATHROOMS ACROSS AMERICA.

SO ROGER, LIGHTS OUT, YOU LIED JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THAT SITS BEFORE US BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU DIDN'T PLAY FOR GEORGE BUSH'S BASEBALL TEAM SOON ENOUGH.

SHOULD OF SIGNED WITH THE NATIONALS.

NO NOT NATIONAL DEFENSE, NATIONALS BASEBALL TEAM.


If the cameras weren't there, the politicians wouldn't waste THEIR time and OUR money on this none-of-their-business "hearing".

The media, which liveblogs this rather than serious issues, is at least partly to blame for these hearings.


I love baseball, but Congress should be spending their time removing wiretapping immunity from the telecom companies instead of investigating whether some millionaires were juiced.


I loved Eleanor Norton's question. Clemens was squirming so badly as he struggled to come up with a response to her simple "Why did you continue to employ Brian McNamara, if he did all of the terrible things to you and your family that you claim?" Very illuminating. He tried two or three times to evade the question until finally his lawyer had to lean over and whisper in his ear. I was almost feeling bad for him.


What a preposterous waste of time and taxpayer money. Why don't these publicity hound politicos focus on issues that are relevant: like the economy, healthcare and immigration?


Mr. Oliphant

Black pepper potato chips are outstanding, especially when they are black pepper and sea salt.

If you bought chips without sea salt but with black pepper let me know how they are. Ditto if you got the jalapeno lime chips.


If the cameras weren't there, the politicians wouldn't waste THEIR time and OUR money on this none-of-their-business "hearing".

Maybe no one told them they'd get all the airtime they want on C-SPAN if they'd just show up in the house and senate and DO THEIR JOBS!


I cant believe that they are wasting money on this. Fermilab is laying off folks because they did not have their budget met, but yet the money that congress could have given them to keep these working americans at work is being used for this nonsense.

What a waste of resourses and time. Priorities people, priorities.


Who cares about this. Congress needs to spend more time on the real issues,health care, education etc etc etc. Baseball is going to lose many fans over this debacle.


Doesn't the Congress have anything better to do? No wonder their approval ratings are in the cesspool.


For those who say that congress should focus on other things... this is a congress SUBcommittee hearing. It's not like the whole entire congress is at this hearing. And since MLB can't or won't police themselves on these issues, the government had to step in... Don't tell me it's a waste of time, when kids look up to these multi-million dollar athletes and say "hey, if roger is takin the stuff, and he is making millions, why shouldn't i?"


Sorry, Big D, but this truly is not a case for the government to step in. Is this more important than what Blackwater is getting away with in Iraq (killing civilians and raping their own female employees)? Sure kids look up to these guys, just as they look up to drugged-out rock bands and their own alcoholic dads. They eventually learn the price to be paid for selling out to the devil.


Why didn't anybody ask why Clemen's wife went to McNamee for HGH? Clemen's claims he didn't know anything about HGH and never discussed it with McNamee, so how did she know to go to him?


Clemens is a piece of trash dirtbag...


This hearing is a waste of time. It's selective at its best. It seems Waxman has a problem with Clemens' claiming his innocence. Norton and Cummins have already decided he's a liar. They prefer to believe the trainer who has been caught in a number of inconsistencies.


When will there be any public hearings about the "steroids" that the members of congress are on that are empowering them to disregard what is happening to the American people and our economy?

Speaker Pelosi's husband profits from her demand that we not enforce our laws, and illegal aliens are allowed to be used to displace American workers, and "protect" corporate and business interests, like Pelosi's husband from having to pay American wage standards, and comply with workplace, environmental, health, food, medicine, and product safety standards.

Senator Dianne Feinstein was forced to vacate her chairing a committee that previously allowed her to vote in ways that drove profits to her husband, a defense contractor, helping them to make millions.

Senator John Kerry, who claimed (falsely) to care about the displacement of American citizen workers in 2004, owns more stock in Microsoft than any other member of congress, roughly million at the last tally He enriched himself by increasing the value of that stock by voting to give Bill Gates the huge increases in foreign worker visas, knowing full well that there was no worker shortage in IT, NT professionals or engineers.

Re. Waxman has been a dismal failure regarding chairing his committee effectively to serve the public interest, but he demonstrates a lot of zeal in his castigating Roger Clemons, and showing preference for a scumbag like McNamee who sat there smirking whenever Waxman displayed his bias.

Congress has been corrupted, and rather than deal with their obligations to serve the public interest, they are playing power games. Rather than deal with real problems, and use their power substantively, they are putting out a dog and pony show to distract us from the real problems facing us.


I was live blogging this for my friends stuck at work. Please, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy and just, someone post a picture of Rep Foxx with that life-size poster of Rawger. The Capitol Hill Kinkos did an awesome job on that. Undoubtedly my favorite moment of the day.


Nice job, James. Thanks for the liveblog!


Congress has better things to do than this. Quit wasting our money!


Why do Repugs love people who cheat? Watching nutball Dan Burton go after the accuser instead of Clemens,the cheat.

Was Burton supporting the cheat because he was caught with an illegitimate kid and the mom on his payroll?

What's up with Repugs. They back large Corps that cheat on their taxes,which in turn forces them to pay more,than they complain about how much tax money they pay!

They like Haliburton who has cheated this country out of billions and served our soldiers water from the Euphrates river!

They are Wing Nuts!!!!


In the end, what does this accomplish? Neither mcnamee or clemens will do any time, so what does this really show our youth... sure you might get called out in public for cheating, but in the end, its worth taking roids because you to can earn millions of dollars without any penalties!


Yawn!


Roger took the drugs, no doubt. That he continues to dissemble disgracefully before Congress is simply testimony to a sour arrogance that has no place in our national pastime and greatest game. Was not being the best pitcher ever enough? Are we stupid? Physiology is a constant; men can only do what men can do. Better he should have come clean, like a man. Even "Shoeless" Joe Jackson, when asked by a lad, "Say it ain't so, Joe," told the truth. Roger, obviously, has no dignity. To see him desperately fighting the truth with lies is sad indeed. He does not deserve our respect. He is a liar and coward. Boys in Little League should get full refunds on their Roger mitts. Most likely, both Roger and the egregious McNamee are bot lying and telling the truth. It hardly matters: It is a dismal day for Baseball, and both should be ashamed.


Folks, a bit of background...

There is, in fact, a reason for Congress to involve itself in this issue. Major League Baseball, unlike the other major professional sports has been exempt from anti-trust laws since 1922. Congress has, at various times looked at removing that exemption in whole or in part. As long as Major League Baseball accepts that special status from the US Government, they open themselves to greater government scrutiny.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/2001/1205/1290707.html


Clemens is lying.
Whether or not you believe McNamee, Clemens good friend Andy Pettitte would have no reason to lie about him.


Why am I not surprised that the Repubs are siding with a steroid using, liar.


The condition of baseball, America's pass time, and our government, are nearly perfect analogies of each other.

Baseball; ruined by big money
Government; ruined by big money free speech.


"There is, in fact, a reason for Congress to involve itself in this issue. Major League Baseball, unlike the other major professional sports has been exempt from anti-trust laws since 1922."

Excuse, yes. Reason, no.


The reason congress is involved in this is because there is no "down side" for them. It is very easy to line up against steroids and get your picture on TV or in the newspaper.

There is no "Pro-steroid" group of voters to worry about offending.



This is baseball. Why is congress involved? There are many other important items to investigate. Where are the hearings on the murderers working for Blackwater?



Oh! And don't forget the promises of the dopey leaders in the democRAT congress...

The impeachment of Bush and Cheney

Raising the white flag and defeat in Iraq.

Geeeez?

Now, all they're concerned about some dopey baseball player injecting himself with a b-12 vitamin shot!

All you libs must be ashamed...you fell for these dopey dem leaders with their impeachment and Iraq bull... hook line and sinker!

Now, go get a job!

Paulo


Clemens symbolizes everything that is wrong with America.

Win at any cost.

Then deny the truth, over and over (the evidence against him is overwhelming).

And blame someone like your wife for a comment you made in the past.

This is why I always laugh when people talk about sports heroes.

Or when they speak of the values sports imparts to young people.

God, Clemens is a creep.


Posted by: Paulo | February 14, 2008 1:11 AM

The invasion and illegal occupation of a soveriegn nation was a sham in the first place. It was re-puke-licans who raised the white flag when they caved into the terrorists bullying by responding with bullyiong of their own.

As far as the Clemon's hearing. What I saw was the democratic leaders on the committee were concerned with the truth.
The re-puke-licans all sounded like charter members of the Roger Clemons fan club. What a bunch of hypocrites.


I can't believe taxpayer dollars are being spent on this. What a waste of resources by Congress...http://www.bigflysports.blogspot.com/


Who gives Congress the right to spend OUR money on this? Half of the congressional leaders are all liers too.... What makes Congress think all if the U.S. cares about what Clemens did. Personally, I could care less Spend our money more wisely!!!


Who gives Congress the right to spend OUR money on this? Half of the congressional leaders are all liars too.... What makes Congress think all if the U.S. cares about what Clemens did. Personally, I could care less Spend our money more wisely!!!


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