Live-blogging the Ohio Democratic debate: The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted February 26, 2008 8:12 PM
The Swamp

by Jason George

And then there was one.

Tuesday night's debate between Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama was the last, scheduled Democratic candidate get together for a reason, and it's not mercy on the American public – both candidates believe victory in next week's contests in Ohio and Texas (as well as Rhode Island and Vermont) will seal the deal on a nomination.

Translation: last night mattered, a lot.

The last time the stakes approached last night's height was at a debate in Los Angeles, before Super Tuesday, when neither Clinton nor Obama chose to attack each other, preferring instead to play nice. Tonight in Cleveland – after days of comparisons to George Bush, the turban affair and figurative threats of a kitchen sink toss – be prepared for anything.

We live blogged the debate at Cleveland State University.

Comment away – you might not get another chance to do so in a Democratic debate for another four (or eight) years.

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10:39. Closing statements have Obama saying he would seek change and has a "unique bias in favor of opening up government" if elected. Clinton, in a rare statement, comments on her own gender: "Obviously I am thrilled to be running to be the first woman president, which I think would be a sea change." [applause].

So it's official: Change vs. change.


And with that, it's not clear if there were enough distinguishing differences on the issues tonight, but this was surely the most interesting debate in recent memory – at least of the last few of these 20, yes 20, Democratic debates so far.

On Tuesday, the voters of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont will get to answer this question, but tonight we put it to you: Who proved they're ready to be commander in chief for the next four years?

Like a casino, the Swamp comment boards never close.

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10:31. Q: what vote would you take back if you could?

Clinton: 2002 vote to authorize war with Iraq

"I would not have voted that way again."

Obama: vote for Terry Schiavo Bill

"As a constitutional law professor I knew better."

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10:27. Russert pulls a trick question out of his bag: On Sunday, March 2, Russia will have a presidential election, "What can you tell me about the man who will Putin's successor?"

Clinton answers first (again!), and while she can't pull the likely new president's name out of a hat – Medvedev – she answers authoritatively, saying he's been handpicked by Putin and he'll continue the status quo.

Russert then tells her the name, which they both botch.

"Matedvadada, whatever," Clinton chirps.

Obama concedes that Clinton's answer is pretty good, considering how out of left field the question was. He pretty much parrots her response.

Both candidates are probably praying that no one now brings up Serbia leaders and those cluster-of- consonant surnames.


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10:16. The "Chicago Tribune" gets mentioned again. The first time was in reference to the paper's editorial board endorsing Obama (despite his perceived opposition to NAFTA). The most recent reference was to a story over the weekend that had Rev. Lewis Farrakhan singing Obama's praises.

Obama, looking uncomfortable on this one, said he's repeatedly separated himself from the Nation of Islam leader.

" I've been very clear of my denunciations of him and his past statements," he said.

Obama said he couldn't however force Farrakhan to not endorse him.

"Tim, I can't say to someone, he can't say, I'm a good guy," he said.

Clinton steps in and says "there's a difference between denouncing and rejecting," hinting that Obama is not distancing himself enough.

Obama shakes his head, saying he doesn't see the difference in the words, but if it'll make Clinton happy: "I would reject and denounce."

The line got the biggest laugh of the night.

Second commercial break.

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10:07. Although more gingerly than he's been questioning Clinton, Russert turns his guns on Obama, saying that last year Obama pledged to take public financing if in a general election, but now he won't commit to that.

Obama answers: " When I'm the nominee, if I'm the nominee…then I will sit down with John McCain and make sure we have a system that is fair for both sides."

That's not the same thing, and Obama knows it, although he tries to argue that by getting small donations – averaging $109, per donation, according to Obama – he's kind of doing his own kind of public financing.

"We have built the kind of organization that is funded by the American people."

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10:00. Clinton strikes a new strong note, saying she plans to get $55 billion back from special interest groups for the American middle class.
"These have all been pushed on to these special interests not just because of what the White House did but because congress went along," she said, striking a populist call, which really hasn't been heard before in tonight's debate.

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9:48. First commercial break -- who do you, Swamp comment scribes, think is doing the best?

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9:47. Russert's focusing on hypothetical questions, but lets hope he doesn't have the other "hyp" – hypertension, as it seems he's about to explode.
What was forceful questioning earlier, is bordering on some Buffalo bullying, especially toward Clinton.

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9:41. The campaigns periodically send emails to reporters to shore up their candidates' position or attack the others' stance.
So far, Clinton's press office has taken the lead with five emails vs. two from Obama's team. For an idea what they're highlighting, here's the subject lines:

From Clinton camp:

"The health care mailer"
"Experts: Without Mandate, No Universal Health Care"
"Study"
"HRC/NAFTA"
"HRC Trade Agenda"

From Obama camp:

"Video: Clinton – NAFTA is proving its worth"
"Factcheck.org: [On NAFTA] Clinton edits 'the truth'"

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9:27. And now, NAFTA.
Clinton is struggling with reconciling her past stances with her current one, as Russert – in atypical moderator backbone – holds her feet to the fire.
Neither she nor Obama will say that they would cancel U.S. participation in NAFTA.
Over at The Huffington Post, David Sirota posted a good primer this morning on where the candidates and country stands on NAFTA. You can read it here.

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9:24. Woah!
Clinton first lashes out, not at Obama, but at…getting the first question in these debates.
Clinton hints at a vast first-question conspiracy, saying she's cool with it, but then hints that it's a tactic to go easy on Obama.
"If you saw Saturday Night Live," last Saturday, "Maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable and get him another pillow."
Gloves off.


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9:19. They love healthcare.
For the first 16 minutes Obama and Clinton sparred on their healthcare plans, not allowing another question. Williams seems unable to interrupt them. Tim Russert speak up!


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9:15. To Chris, who asked where he/she can listen online, you can listen in at the Web site of "The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer"

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9:13. Brian Williams asked Clinton if she can state unequivocally that her campaign was not behind the turbaned photo found on Drudge, where Matt Drudge said Clinton staffers circulated it.
Clinton answers: "So far as I know it did not, and I certainly know nothing about."
It comes off like a waffle.

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9:08. The first question in the 90-minute debate goes to Clinton, who turns the answer to healthcare, saying it's the defining issue for her.
"That's my goal; that's what I'm fighting for," she said.

As Tribune colleague Rick Pearson laid out today – in crisp clarity found only in a former wire service reporter – their differences on healthcare all boils down to this: "Clinton’s plan would require everyone to obtain health coverage, while Obama would mandate coverage only for children. Obama contends Clinton’s plan would put an added cost burden on people but Clinton says 15 million people would be left uncovered in Obama’s plan."

Obama responds by saying Clinton "has a good healthcare plan," but "I think mine is better."

The debate here seems to be two-fold for the candidates: who has a better healthcare plan, and who's had worse mailers directed at them.

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8:57. Tribune correspondent Jim Tankersley just reported that the pre-debate coverage on Cleveland TV is sponsored, in part, by "The Committee to Re-Elect Dennis Kucinich." Kucinich, who dropped out of the presidential race last month, is fighting for his Ohio congressional seat, but surely would've preferred to be on the stage this evening.

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Live blogging is not quite as good as the real thing - but if you offer some commentary along the way you have a leg up on the television....
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/02/27/obama-clinton-ohio-debate-2-26-2008/


Hillary,
How can you be an agent of change for the democratic party, offering the US Voter a stop to partisan bickering when you have been involved heavily in that for years and years?


Who should pay for the Health Care of those who choose an unhealthy lifestyle; i.e. smokers, alcoholics, those who havemultiple sex partners, and overeaters?. Universal care would mean we would pay for them, unjustly!
Dr. R. Gene Kerr, Cambridge, Ohio


How many of personalities of Hillary do you think we will see tonight? She looks like she's trying so hard not to get angry - pursing her lips.

YIKES!!!!!

She's going to blow!!!!


We're not nominating a candidate for "agent of change", it's the presidency. Generally we like the nominees to have some foreign policy and economic experience but we've forgotten that over the last few years.


Welsley vs Harvard. Very collegiate so far.


Where can I listen to the debate online?


Clinton failed miserably at healthcare reform before...she would fail again.

Give it up and go home!


I think she's so arrogant - there is nothing empathetic about her. She has to learn when to compromise - any good leader - whether a CEO of a company or the President - you have to know when to compromise and she should just shut-up and let him answer too!


I wish they would each spend more time explaining the solutions they have to the problems their healthcare plans are accused of rather than defending their plans by attacking the other's. Anyone agree?


Chris - MSNBC's website has a link to "Watch the Debate Live"


You can see it live here:

It buffers alot!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22886841#22886841


You know what's funny? This quote from Hillary back in August 2007 re Katie Couric:

(2007-08-29) — Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, today said that the decision by CBS to send Evening News anchor Katie Couric to Baghdad, Iraq, was a “desperate move” that she called “too little, too late.”

“When what you’re doing isn’t working, you need to cut your losses and pull out,” said Sen. Clinton, noting that, “Almost a year into the Couric anchorage, CBS News has failed to unite any substantial group of viewers and the evening news landscape remains a hopeless quagmire of sectarian fighting.”


Thank you for the link to the live stream at the Cleveland.com. I've been trying to get on msnbc for 15 minutes -- looks like they crashed with the traffic from this debate. A testament to how important it is I guess.


What was Hillary whining about getting the first question?


Meet the Press has commented on Hillary flipping on NAFTA.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJ0swdRvYgw


Clinton just said she is going to call a trade "timeout" - what does she think that the world economy has a pause button - she will say anything to get some votes in Ohio which is in a hopeless state


Who should pay for the Health Care of those who choose an unhealthy lifestyle; i.e. smokers, alcoholics, those who havemultiple sex partners, and overeaters?. Universal care would mean we would pay for them, unjustly!
Dr. R. Gene Kerr, Cambridge, Ohio

Posted by: IndependentMan | February 26, 2008 9:07 PM

Shouldn't you be out driving your Rolls???

I guess I shouldn't ride my motorcycle either. Give it a rest Dr. With all due respect.


Hillary is hormonal or something this week. Very Sybilesque!!!


Someone remind the moderator that he is supposed to be neutral. I'm not for either Clinton or Obama and I'm shocked at the hits he's giving Senator Clinton.

Back off buddy!


Hillary...the queen of whinery and crockery...she changes her position more frequently than lake effect snow bands. My wallet can't hold the amount of money her health care bureaucracy will cost.


Hillary is right! She keeps getting the first question. Which allow obama to think about his answer and slao get ideas from her. We noticed that it happened in the last debate. Also, I think it is clear that they are attacking Hillary. I hate to say this, but I don't think they would be going after her like this if she was a man! Biased!!!!


Obama is very prepared tonight. He's kicking butt!


It seems that so many of the criticisms being made are that candidates (usually H.Clinton) have changed their minds on key issues. Maybe I'm confused but it seems to me that when we elect Senators to Congress it is their job to put into law policies that we, their constituents, want implemented. Has that changed? If not, then they are almost obligated to change their stands on issues as the wishes of their constituents change. It also seems to me that the history of the last 8 years should have taught us the lesson that a President of our country who is unwilling to change direction or position is not a good thing. Are all of these elected officials there to do what they want or what their constituents want?


Logic Prisoner: sexist much?


yeah Obama, alternative fuel jobs right on. Oh Clinton, net loss of -30000 jobs.


Why does Hillary Clinton criticize Fidel Castro so much, and for that matter everybody to the right of her? Americans cry about their healthcare system and expect either Obama or Clinton to deliver to us what Fidel Castro already delivered to his people decades ago. The Cuban government has never tortured people, unlike ours, and is ranked among the highest countries in Latin America regarding human rights by Amnesty International. Considering our long standing relationships with China and Saudi Arabia, isn't her criticism of Fidel Castro sheer hypocrisy? The trade embargo against Cuba works against the interests of Americans, the very same Americans she claims to represent. Come to the left Hillary, it's never to late in life.


I think we should all be scared. Neither one of these democratic candidates can do the job. Especially not McCain. We need a person to come in, that isn't part of this red-tape system, and run this country like a great corporation, that is not a part of a party and of this corrupt government that we all pay taxes to.


I love this moderator. Yea, ask the hard questions!!!


Requireing all to buy insurance whether they want it or not is just another big tax.
Those who work to keep themselves healthy should not be required to pay for those who do not.
(Although this is allready the case in part as those who pay taxes pay for medicaid)


Hillary has failed at health care before, but how does anyone get better at things? They make mistakes and then learn from them. Obama has not had the experience, therefore how can he learn from his past mistakes.


Tim Russert is always like that Kate.


I hate to say this, but I don't think they would be going after her like this if she was a man! Biased!!!!

Posted by: Jill | February 26, 2008 9:30 PM

Sorry Jill but I can't buy that one. Perhaps your original point is ture. But the woman point I don't buy. Sorry.


Biggest Story: MSNBC drops the ball with poor online video quality!


I just hope these two candidates will not Pac-Man each other and destroy the Great chances the Democrats have with this election campaign!

I just hope both Hillary and Osama don't go after each other as opposed to define the Great difference of policy's the new approach the Democrat Party has to offer!


Both candidates answer very clearly. The questions seem geared to attack the candidates, to single out what one candidate has said about another. Are they trying to create a pitched battle? Focus on differences, yes, but not on "attacks" against each other.


Clinton is struggling with reconciling her past stances with her current one, as Russert – in atypical moderator backbone

You must be kidding. She was fine on that. Russert doesn't have backbone, he's just interested in the gotchas and sound bites.


The reality is this - what is her experience - when did she negotiate all the foreign policy issue she speaks of? Was it when her husband was president? Is she saying that Bill was a puppet?

I'm not clear - seriously.


I'd like to see Michael Bloomberg run!!! Now there's a person who can do the job while bypassing the politics.


Did you see that condescending laugh that Obama just gave Clinton? If she had done that to him people would have booed
her.


Hillary's make up looks nice


I like Obama's strategy. He shows the negatives of Clinton's plans. Then show the positives of his plan. I like the PacMan cliche'. Never thought about that.


Logic Prisoner: sexist much?

Posted by: Karyn | February 26, 2008 9:32 PM

Me??? Well if that's what your saying, and I hope it's not then the $2000 dollars I gave her campaign last year was very misguided. Wouldn't you say??? She doesn't think I am but...maybe you know something she doesn't. I can see were the hormonal remark may have tweeked you though so my apologies. Accepted???


Is Obabma really Muslim? Why does he not pledge our flag? Do we really want this for our country? I am proud to be American!!! Im voting for Hillary all the way!!!!!


i loved when hillary blamed the goof of her promising jobs first on al gore not becoming president, then blaming it on the bush administration.


I'm getting deja vu, from the last debate , I wish they would ask questions other than health care and the war.


I think we should all be scared. Neither one of these democratic candidates can do the job. Especially not McCain.

Posted by: Judy | February 26, 2008 9:34 PM

Huh???

Did you see that condescending laugh that Obama just gave Clinton? If she had done that to him people would have booed
her.

Posted by: jill | February 26, 2008 9:40 PM

Come on Jill. Don't you think that's a stretch???


aaahh, i can't stand this woman's attitude. she says "you're making up too many hypotheticals" when asked what she would do as president


Is Obabma really Muslim? Why does he not pledge our flag? Do we really want this for our country? I am proud to be American!!! Im voting for Hillary all the way!!!!!

Posted by: Misty Dawn Collier | February 26, 2008 9:42 PM

He is Christian. Fact.


FYI, Hillary got all the questions first in the last debate because she lost the coin toss... which was stated by the moderators prior to the beginning of the CNN debate.


NATO? when was the last time that was relevant, WWII? What?


Go back into Iraq with sizeable troops? Hillary sidestepped the question the question completely!


Neither candidate will truly commit to an answer, they both think the public is no intelligent enough to be told the truth


Hillary's negative emotionality and whining are a quite revealing of character on this debate; her superiority, negative comments, and underhanded criticisms are indicative of her own personal self-esteem issues. Barack seems to have a true internal locus of control that is tied to a solid level of self esteem. Given negotiations with world leaders, there is now question Barack is the stronger leader here. Hillary needs to build her self esteem and learn about a poker face. Smart lady, but no poker face....


Hillary just got to have the last comment!! LOL


As far as I know Obama was born a Muslim. He is not any longer. Or so he says...

The democratic party will be the downfall of our society. I am tired of working hard and giving away my money to the government so they can create social programs for people who don't work as hard.

Less government! More work from the citizens!


To me obama appears to be a Wolf in sheeps clothing.Hillary rides that fence.Mccain reminds me of Bush. I think i'll vote for Ron Paul at least he stands for our Constitution what's left of it


There is an amazing bias toward Obama - they both are letting him off so easy, challenging former comments only by Clinton, not Obama. And why wouldn't he address the Iraq question directly and why did the moderators allow him to speak for so long off-topic? Bias toward the frontrunner?


It is said when people cannot see how inexperience Obama is....with all the countries and issues in the world, all he talk about is Iraque and Afganistan....sad very sad!!!


Logic Prisoner: the comment about her being "hormonal" and "sybilesque". But, okay, I may have reacted too quickly. It's just that I hear so much of this kind of crap, it gets tiresome, ya know? :)
"Me??? Well if that's what your saying, and I hope it's not then the $2000 dollars I gave her campaign last year was very misguided. Wouldn't you say??? She doesn't think I am but...maybe you know something she doesn't. I can see were the hormonal remark may have tweeked you though so my apologies. Accepted???"


Why did they both miss the chance to answer that question by pointing out that however they'd use the military, it won't be to topple governments?


Logic Prisoner- Why do you think that is a stretch? Haven't you been listening to the media or the audience in the debates I think it is very true. Unfortunate, but true.


Obama is on top


Why does Tim keep interrupting Hillary and not Barack?
I noticed this has happen on almost every question has asked.
Is this a “fair” debate?


Man, I liked seeing Hillary getting cut off before the commercial. She just doesn't get it, does she?


And the next question is?

If the Independent have a debate with Ralph, which of you, Hillary or Barack will attend that debate to get real?


To me obama appears to be a Wolf in sheeps clothing.Hillary rides that fence.Mccain reminds me of Bush. I think i'll vote for Ron Paul at least he stands for our Constitution what's left of it

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2008 9:49 PM

AMEN! Ron Paul would be better by far. But realistically...

We certainly don't want McCain and Hillary is the only one with a chance to LOSE to McCain, so Barak is the lesser of three evils here unfortunatly.


Tim doesn't interrupt Barack because Barack is civil enough not to continue talking when he shouldn't.


I want Obama to highlight some other accomplishment than Walter Reed veterans having to pay for meals. That is important, but I need more meat.


How could MSNBC accidentally run the the wrong clip? And they never let Hillary finish her pre-commercial remarks


Russert is a disgrace. It's been like watching the SNL skit come to life


Yeaa! Narf!
Good One---I said all that to say this. Why not say this in the first place


Yeah let us get that big oil and credit card, 50 billion back for what, health care?


I keep waiting for the Obama Girl to start singing, Russert to start dancing and Williams will yell at Hillary if she tries to cut Obama Girl off for not answering a question. What does Russert have against Hillary, anyway?


Co-President? There's a name hurts more than it helps Hillary.


Misty Dawn you can't be serious. My grandson has a Vietnamese name but he is black. His mother (my daughter is black) and so his father (Trinidad-London). I totally understood what Michelle meant. Most of the time it did not matter to me who was elected because the politicians were all the same to me. Now there are two that are "different" Arnold Schwartneger in California and Obama. I am very proud that things might be different. There are people willing to participate in the process because they want something different and are willing to take a chance. We have held the line with Cuba for fifty years thru many presidents. It is time for something different. The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Hilary is the "same thing". She is old school Washington politics.


Misty Dawn you can't be serious. My grandson has a Vietnamese name but he is black. His mother (my daughter is black) and so his father (Trinidad-London). I totally understood what Michelle meant. Most of the time it did not matter to me who was elected because the politicians were all the same to me. Now there are two that are "different" Arnold Schwartneger in California and Obama. I am very proud that things might be different. There are people willing to participate in the process because they want something different and are willing to take a chance. We have held the line with Cuba for fifty years thru many presidents. It is time for something different. The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. Hilary is the "same thing". She is old school Washington politics.


That sure wasn't much of a direct answer by Hillary about her "the heavens will open up" barb at Obama. All mouth and nothing to back it up. Man, I don't want to see here anywhere near the White House again! (I doubt the White House does either - remember when the Clintons took all that stuff from the White House that wasn't theirs and then had to return?) Dishonesty - seems to run deep in the Clinton Family, now doesn't it?


She voted for the credit card bill but hoped it wouldnt pass... "as a general rule that doesn't work." Hahahah!! Beautiful in its understatement and on target dis.
I like this guy.


Any website other than MSNBC showing the debate?


I truly believe Obama does not know who he is running against, Bill or Hillary. He cannot heap all of the decisions of Bill Clinton's presidency on Hillary's head. We all know that Hilliary did not agree 100% with 100% of Bill's decisions during his term or now.


Logic Prisoner: the comment about her being "hormonal" and "sybilesque". But, okay, I may have reacted too quickly. It's just that I hear so much of this kind of crap, it gets tiresome, ya know? :)


Kool!!! :-D

Jill, I'll keep an eye on that. you may be right.


I guess she whined loud enough. Tim hasn't asked her the to respond first.


Hillary gets interrupted more because she never stops talking and gets hostile with everyone throwing out conspiracy theories and whatnot. It annoys me how often I hear the argument that Obama is not a good candidate because he is Muslim. He's Christian!!


Yeah, Brad..thats right..its a conspiracy!!!
grow up.


UTT OH!!!
The Minister Louie issue. Hope he don't slip up


So much for Russert going easy on Obama, eh?


OOOHhh! Obama on the defensive. This is getting good!


I beg to differ on the interruptions; Tim has interrupted, plus or minus 15 seconds, in to Hillary's answer. Please understand this is an observation. Just keep watching and make note of how Tim responds to Hillary.


Don't these two remember what happened with Vietnam??? Don't you all remember??? I most certainly do.

The North Vietnamese via Giap & Ho Chi Mien stated they watched our election closely & after Carter was elected and enacted our exit from Vietnam that they were surprised but elated, as they would have surrendered if we had stayed the course. Giap said,and quoted & documented on the Vietnam War Memorial in Hanoi, , "What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us just a little harder, just another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought YOU knew it. But we were elated to know your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could do in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!"

I can't stand either one of these people, but I believe Hilary is the most reasonable & Obama, frankly, scares me. If he is elected and does what his intention is, it will mirror what was done in Vietnam, history will indeed repeat itself. Have our politicians not learned anything in the last 40 years. Haven't we??. Godspeed.


Wow, complete dodge on the tax return thing. Ouch. Obama dodged the finance thing too.


WHY DOES HILLARY get to jump in and talk when it's not her turn??? There is NOT a media bias against her.


why would anyone. EVER. follow a live blog. This is the most useless avenue to pursue the debate of all time. turn on your tv or radio and get a MUCH clearer idea of what is going on rather than hitting refresh every two seconds


Does it matter that Obama is Christian or Muslim? If I remember correctly, this is a nation that prides itself on "freedom". So lets stop being hypocritical and vote for candidates based on their ability and let them practice their religion freely and without bias. How does Obama's religion play a relevant point? If we want to talk about religion lets look at Bush's track record in terms of faith. His 2nd term platform was based on his Christianity and look at the mess we are in. Lets keep perspective on the real issues here and vote for someone who has skill based on experience and knowledge and not on spirituality.


Again, Barack Obama lets me down by waffling when it comes to keeping his word. He did it on public finance and rejecting support from "anti- ANYBODY" organizations.


Hilary's not winning any points in this debate..so far Obama's the clear winner of this debate and I have no bias because I'm republican! I think I've just decided who I'm voting for...Go Obama!!


Denounce vs. reject. Boo-yah.


Let's see.....Hillary is taking credit for anything good for the Bill years on the White House. But what about Monica Lewinsky? As she worked under Bill, too, shouldn't she get some credit too? But noooo. Hillary won't give her any credit, will she? No cigar!


Maybe the lesson is that next election cycle, they shouldn't check that box that says "will take public matching funds", they should just do the "no funds from registered lobbyists, corporate doners, etc." and then leave it till the last minute to decide if they want the matching funds. Obama's argument isn't persuasive when it explains but still contradicts a prior pledge.


Ironically, I think Obama actually looks stronger for refusing public financing. It shows he's not willing to commit political suicide going up against repub 527s, and is willing to change his mind when it makes sense.


Why is gas 3 bucks a gallon and rising? Why do groceries keep going up? Has anyone talked about the quality of health care in this country? Yap yap yap about stuff that they will do NOTHING about, there's your CHANGE AMERICA!!


@kermit: Iraq isn't Vietnam. We're no longer fighting the Iraqis; they _did_ surrender already. We're fighting insurgents now.

@C: because it's fun to watch the debate on TV and read other people's reactions at the same time.


C: Call 911 about the person who's holding a gun to your head. lol.

"why would anyone. EVER. follow a live blog. This is the most useless avenue to pursue the debate of all time. turn on your tv or radio and get a MUCH clearer idea of what is going on rather than hitting refresh every two seconds"


To be a President, you also need culture and the most important one: PATRIOTISM.
Is Obama Patriot enough to run this beautiful Country??? His costume is the least of my concerns once I never have seen him Pledging Legions to the American Flag or never wearing his American pin.
America needs to RESTORE it''s credibility around the world and I think Sen. Clinton has more to offer to this Country than Sen. Obama.


Is it just me but does Hillary just repeat everything said by Sen.Obama. No politician is perfect but some leaders are perfect for the times...Obama is that man!


kermit..you remeber Nameh?
well...you cant tell it by THIS quoteof yours:
"The North Vietnamese via Giap & Ho Chi Mien stated they watched our election closely & after Carter was elected and enacted our exit from Vietnam.."

Because gerald Ford was President then.. Carter was elected in 1977!!!

Thanks for the history lesson.


Kris- I disagree that Obama is the clear winner. I think they are both taking a lot of hits. If you are a Republican, how could you vote for a democratic?? They go against all you beliefs?


Something that's bothering me... has anybody asked in a debate if either of them will pledge to a timeline to try or relase the Gitmo detainees? How come that isn't on the radar when they are talking about Afghanistan and Iraq?


Why is gas 3 bucks a gallon and rising? Why do groceries keep going up? Has anyone talked about the quality of health care in this country? Yap yap yap about stuff that they will do NOTHING about, there's your CHANGE AMERICA!!

Posted by: WhoCares2008 | February 26, 2008 10:21 PM

If we really wanted change and someone who knew what to do about inflation we would have all voted for Ron Paul.
But, apparently, America is not ready for the real change he represents and these candidates are the choices we are left with...


Who said you need to wear an American flag pin to be an American? What's all this about Obama not reciting the Pledge of Allegience? Do they do that at these debates? Does he know the words to the National Anthem? Does anyone?


Thank you, Hillary! That is what I have wanted to say to Barack Obama for so long! Don't tell me about who voted for the war, listen to what Hillary is saying she will do going forward about us being in Iraq.


Wow - Hillary has experience from "both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue." On the east end, isnt' that where Bill was rumoured to go to the topless bar? I never got a Hillary table dance, did you?


I believe you misheard Sen. Obama's statement re: NAFTA. He said Chicago was very pro-NAFTA and that the newspaper endorsed him despite his opposition to NAFTA, not support.


the most accurate thing I've heard regarding Clinton was that she doesn't seem to have a Plan B...the "fight" for health care and the nosedive her campaign took after SuperTuesday. Is this the person we want for President.


That is one of my concerns with Barack, his "inaction".


That's funny, Barack even stole Hillary's closing from the Texas debate!


Kermit,
Check your data. US exit from Vietnam in 1975. Carter elected in 1976... so what was your point?


Obama is copying Hillary's final statement from the last debate, almost word for word. That's hilarious!


Voting for Ron Paul would be THROWING AWAY YOUR VOTE! That's what I was told when I voted for Harry Browne in 2000.


Go Nader!


Oh...and Kermit. That quote attributed to gen Giap is false.
Maybe you need to do some research before you post.
here...try this: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp


Barack has not answered the question, yet. I think it is disrespectful of him to jump to McCain when he is debating Hillary. Maybe I'm the only person that sees it this way, but I am offended by that.


Jill-your party affiliation is not a belief in fact I hate the division. It's just about that time for washington have a COMPLETE overhaul!


Here's the answer to the universal health care plan: MOVE TO CANADA YOU HOSERS!


To be fair, I don't think Hillary answered either. She did not take the opportunity to say Obama needs to do X.


Blah, blah, blah... More government, higher taxes, handouts to the undeserving, rhetoric, etc. After watching these two bozos, even Ron Paul and Ralph Nader don't look quite as bad as I first thought....

McCain - he's the man!


Barack doesn't answer many questions, whay start now


Clinton failed miserably at healthcare reform before...she would fail again.

Give it up and go home!


Heheheh...Yeah..Nader..thats right.

Cast your vote for some poor confused one track buffoon who choses an avowed Communist as his running mate, who hasn't the intellect to care for his rotten and un repaired teeth, and hasnt washed that polyester suit since 1969.
Right... Go Nader.


yeah drom...I wrote wrong on the pres at the time..a typo error while thinking ahead at the carter misery that followed. Thanks for the correction. My concern remains that those in positions of power over "there" are watching our election closely and will make plans accordingly.


Tanesha,
If Hillary were the front-runner, she would also be addressing McCain... its good politics...


Clinton failed miserably at healthcare reform before...she would fail again.

Give it up and go home!


Voting for Ron Paul would be THROWING AWAY YOUR VOTE! That's what I was told when I voted for Harry Browne in 2000.

Posted by: WhoCares2008 | February 26, 2008 10:30 PM

At least with that vote noone can blame you for Bush :)


Obama isn't copying Clinton's last closing - you're giving her too much credit. Look back at any debate from prevous years - they all close with smiles as they say what an honor it is to be next to the other person, etc. The backstabbing won't start agin until tomorrow, and Billary is indeed a backstabber. Could you imagine what a DISASTER it would be if she were elected?


GO OBAMA! YOUR RECORD SPEAKS VOLUMES about your ability to make CHANGE HAPPEN! Do your homework you nonbelievers...http://thomas.loc.gov/


McCain-Obama-Hillary YAWN! Are you ready for four more years of POOP? I agree with Kris, it's time to OVERHAUL many things, starting with the political system. As long as we have a 2 party system, we're all screwed...


billary?

like beniffer and tom cat? love it.


Kris- In a perfect world there would be no "parties", but there is and you choose a party that believes in what you believe in. I am a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. My party affiliation is in direct relation to my beliefs. In my opinion, Washington does not need a direct overhaul. There will always be two parties, because there are, for the most part two kinds of people in this county. Republican and democrats. I have to vote republican because they believe what I believe.


If Clinton truly cared about America...She would back down and lend her support to Obama.


What if they gave an election and nobody showed up? What if we all just voted for "None of the above"? Wasn't that a Richard Pryor/John Candy movie? Where can I get an official Obama turban to wear at my church's next catfish dinner, yee haw!


Correction to someones earlier post...not only does Hillary get the name wrong but she said the name wrong and then adds "Whatever" Is this the kind of leader we want in the Oval Office? Vote Hillary for more of the same arrogance and sometimes blatant ignorance.


Monica Lewinsky said she't voting Republican this year - said the Democrats left a bad taste in her mouth.

Go Republican - not everyone's a disaster like "W" !


To Andy!
Amen!


I thought Barack did very well tonight. Hillary did o.k. but I gotta give tonight to him. Not just because I'm gonna vote for him but because I thought tonight played to his strength. The first couple of debates I thought Hillary dominated. One mans opinion. How about the rest of you Swamp dwellers???


Yeah! More ignorance, more arrogance, more misprounced names followed by "whatever"! Too bad we can't get 4 more years of Dubya!!!


I will no longer watch NBC news. It was such a one-sided presentation - asking Hillary the tough questions first, interrupting her answers, returning from break without her on stage, and allowing Obama to answer softball questions without interruption or without changing the question - this debate is proof positive men cannot handle a strong, intelligent, experienced, viable female presidential candidate. Shame on Tim Russert and Brian Williams for being so blatantly Obama-sided.


"Is Obabma really Muslim? Why does he not pledge our flag? Do we really want this for our country? I am proud to be American!!! Im voting for Hillary all the way!!!!!"

Hillary really does attract the under-educated after all.


i got mad when she said "whatever". but i have been growing very aggravated with her speeches.


Hands down, Hillary's worst performance. Picture her representing the U.S. at an international forum of "experienced" world leaders, shrill, rude and interrupting, edgy, emotional, cutting speakers off while they are still speaking, smirking, cackling, and in general failing to give straigt answers. I burst out laughing when she wanted Barack to say he "rejected" Farakhan (spelling?)instead of "denounced" as Obama said. Look up the word reject: "to refuse to accept" (Hillary) versus denounce: "to condemn or openly censure." (Obama's word) Well, that one backfired on her, didn't it? Remember, Hillary, don't get so unraveled, they're "just words...."


Jill-the only reason I even consider my self an affiliate of the republican party is not because they believe what I believe it's because of abortion, the ONLY issue i agree with them. Other than that they're not even close on my views. Like I said my beliefs do not stem from political ties but more so the belief that we ALL can come together and stop having government control so much. Like i said an overhaul is needed and Obama is the closest candidate to represent that.


I think they both came off really well. It was a draw, IMO. I like them both, and I don't like them both; I couldn't *be* more undecided.


I guess Miles Long is saying he's under-educated - exactly the type who would vote for Hillary.

Stay in school, Miles. With hard work, you, too, can grow smart and become a republican!


Let's face it: the President is merely a figurehead. Wish the people would worry more about voting for their Senators, Congressmen, & Judges! But I have to say that Obama seemed the 'winner' in tonight's debate; Hillary sat staring at him like a cat at a mouse! She is just way too combative for this country. Let a young man (& better yet: 1/2 white & 1/2 black) energize our youth to become more involved in our country's govt!!


So who's Obama going to pick for his running mate?


I still have not seen Obama economic plan. From both candidates its the same old stuff, but I do feel that Clinton is the better of the two. And she can beat McCain, who is a carryover from Bush.


Hillary was flustered, too aggressive, and it seemed as though she splitting hairs and grasping at straws...

Obama gave eloquent AND well supported responses to everything he was asked, while remaining calm and in control. I think he did a great job explaining his stance on healthcare and NAFTA, and also responded really well to the questions about his reactions to the Farrakhan endorsement. He also avoided playing into Hillary's pettiness and was extremely respectful throughout the debate. I say he hit it out of the park..


Let's face it: the President is merely a figurehead. Wish the people would worry more about voting for their Senators, Congressmen, & Judges! But I have to say that Obama seemed the 'winner' in tonight's debate; Hillary sat staring at him like a cat at a mouse! She is just way too combative for this country. Let a young man (& better yet: 1/2 white & 1/2 black) energize our youth to become more involved in our country's govt!!


How do you think Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or North Korean President Kim Jong Il will react when HillBilly starts boo hooing because they ask her a question first all the time?!? What a loose canon. We don't need her running the country!

ANYBODY BUT HILLARY '08!!!


Mike Huckabee - (hey, are you related??) You asked who Obama was going to pick as his running mate. How about Nancy Pelosi? That witch already thinks she has presidential powers. It would be good for more of America to see what she's all about - and it's ALL BAD.


If you really wanted to buy a house and it was a tough deal who would you want to close the deal Obama or Clin ton?He's just a parrot an agreer -big hat --no cattle.


The tax thing made me wonder if the Clintons were perhaps filing amended returns, changing from joint to separate so Hillary could claim she only had to release their joint returns. Otherwise, why would she claim she couldn't get the returns together by next Tuesday when Obama asked her about that?


Let's face it: the President is merely a figurehead.

Posted by: Barbara | February 26, 2008 10:57 PM

Barbara with all due respect, I never understand why people say that. Tell that to the people of Iraq or the American Military.

The President of the United States of America, by virtue of formally granted constitutional powers, has several significant leadership roles. While these roles are varied and diverse, they can generally be divided into two large areas of authority and responsibility: domestic policy and foreign affairs. So distinct are the two realms of presidential activity and so different are the degrees of success within each that political scientists generally refer to these two subdivisions as the "two presidencies."1

The Domestic Policy Presidency
In the domestic arena, the President, as Chief Executive, has the formal constitutional authority to oversee the execution and implementation of the law. The President also has the ability to significantly influence the legislative and judicial branches. Through the exercise of these powers, the President can exert wide-spread and long-lasting influence on the domestic policies of the nation.

The Foreign Policy Presidency
The Constitution establishes that the President of the United States shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. As such, the President is the constitutional head of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, commissions all officers in the armed forces and appoints all high-ranking military leaders, such as the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. More significantly, while the Congress has the authority to "Declare War," Presidents since Washington have "made war" without explicit congressional cooperation.

Just a little something to think about Barbara. Read on if you care to. LP over and out.

http://www.thisnation.com/executive.html


The next President of The United States of America, the Senator from the great state of Illinois, Barak Obama. I can't wait to vote on the 4th of March here in texas.


I'm sorry, but I am so sick of people calling Obama a parrot. He is clearly an extremely intelligent and well-qualified candidate, and it's completely unfounded to imply that he is somehow incapable of formulating his own ideas or developing his own arguments. He was president of the Harvard Law Review, has worked in public service for 20 years, and has written two books.... Go ahead and take issue with his policy stances, but there is no grounds to insinuate that he is a puppet, robot, parrot, or whatever else. I hate to say it, but I really don't think he'd be getting this kind of heat if he looked like John Edwards...


So who's Obama going to pick for his running mate?

Posted by: Mike Huckabee | February 26, 2008 10:57 PM

Jim Webb.


Hillary keeps saying she is a fighter....HAVEN'T we had enough of fighting? Last I looked, this country belongs to ALL of us: Dems, Repubs, Independents....She is the most divisive of all the candidates! she needs to be aware that the Pres will be PRES OF ALL OF US, not just her contributors!


Watching the debate tonight as a resident alien, and liking what Hillary said about healthcare I was wondering this: do the american people, the richest people on the planet, realize how far they are lagging behind European nations about healthcare policies ? Every Western European country has universal healthcare, it works fine, yes it costs some money, but the US is the country where healthcare is the most expensive in the world, and yet it is not social. Take Switzerland, where the system has been working very well for years with a policy that Hillary now is trying to push as she had re-invented the wheel... These good things have been around for some time, just take a look at foreign wealthy and competitive countries that have made it wonderfully ! I personnally hope Barack will be the nominee, because he gives the american people hope in the future, the single most important thing to start with in order to reform the country.


If you really wanted to buy a house and it was a tough deal nwho would vyou want to close the deal--Hillary or Obama?The guy is a parrot --listens to what she says - agrees and adds--big hat no cattle-p-0If thbne women inm AMERICA WANT A WOMAN PRESIDENT THEY BETTER VOTE FOR hILLAry because she's their only chance. I think special interests wouyld knock him flat.


Questioned on her behaviour on the TRAIL she calls it what? FUN? America registered such as "mean-spirited" though.
Are you weighing her as a candidate? As she outsmarts you now, so will you see a the real gaming Clinton if she uses your vote to get into office.


Here are some articles-written by respected authors and published in reputable domestic and international publications that will be able to give you a good overview of Hillary and Barrack’s int’l experience and exposure and Why Hillary may be the better candidate to be president. Articles are well researched & documented.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/batt... Huffington Post 2/13/08 “Battle Tested” By Joseph C. Wilson (Joe Wilson wrote the NYTimes Op ed piece “What I Didn’t find in Africa”. This article documented his 2002 CIA investigation “Had Iraq purchased (or attempted to purchase) uranium yellowcake from Niger”. Answer…NO.One week after his op-ed piece was published, Robert Novak disclosed Wilson's wife's classified covert CIA identity as "Valerie Plame" in his syndicated Washington Post column-thereby putting her life in jeopardy. Her long-established career was destroyed. Joe STRONGLY and VOCALLY opposed the war against Iraq. He counts himself as one of Hillary Clinton’s strongest supporters for president in this campaign. This article gives good insight in to some of Hillary & Barrack’s int’l affairs positions.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/26/politics/main3876941.shtml CBS News 2/26/08 Does Obama's Record Back His Rhetoric? CBSNews.com Reports: Democratic Frontrunner Promises To Bring Unity, But Work In Senate Limited Mostly To "Midrange Issues" Brian Montopoli –Some insight into Barrack’s domestic & int’l oppositions
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/u... Times On Line-UK 12/21/07 'Stay-at-home' Barack Obama comes under fire for a lack of foreign experience” By Tom Baldwin in Washington

1 of my unanswered questions about Barrack’s international experience deals with foll:

I have not read or heard anything about this from the media. I want to better understand Obama's foreign policy decisions.
http://www.nysun.com/article/71123 written by Eli Lake Why has Sen. Obama chosen Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB ) as one of his foreign policy advisors?
Wasn't ZB one of main people responsible for convincing the US govt to arm the mujaheddin.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/24/AR2007082402127.html “Brzezinski Backs Obama”

Saturday, August 25, 2007; Page A03 written by Alec MacGillis (ZB) endorsed Obama in 2007 for president

http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html “ Zbigniew Brzezinski: How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen” 10/08/01 In 1998 (ZB) was interviewed by the French newspaper Nouvel Observateur on the topic of Afghanistan . Here is excerpt from that interview in Counterpunch’s Investigative Journalism website

Some historians blame ZB's actions as having helped to nurture the evolution and expansion of Osama Bin Ladin’s (and others) terrorist groups.

Has anyone found anything else written about this- anywhere? If so, please pass on the link to this blog site. Thanks!


Jim Webb, heyyyyy, not bad. Navy guy likes Navy guy! Midwest background, married to a lawyer, whupped Coach's son to be Senator. Me like Webb...


Hillary keeps saying she is a fighter....HAVEN'T we had enough of fighting? Last I looked, this country belongs to ALL of us: Dems, Repubs, Independents....She is the most divisive of all the candidates! she needs to be aware that the Pres will be PRES OF ALL OF US, not just her contributors!


We are already paying for those with unhealthy lifestyles (through Medicaid and Taxes!)! The only fair way for those lower and middle class Americans to get the health care they deserve is for everyone to pay into the system with Universal Healthcare. Somewhat similar to requiring us to have car insurance. Everybody pays and everybody gets covered.


I think whoever becomes elected president should wear my bright Omaha orange suit at their swearing in, good ole Rocky Top, Rocky Top not numero uno no more....


I wouldn't buy a house form either. I would by a house from the previous blogger. I sure hope one of them can turn this housing crisis aroung. Because the economy is heading for a recession.


Hillary won.

I am truly scared of the idea of Obama leading our nation when it comes to foreign policy - I cannot see him being decisive in perilous times. He is so calm and calming he puts people to sleep.


In regards to smokers, and other unhealthy habits, recent studies show that these people put less of a burden on the health care system than those who don't. Apparently, they die before they cost that much money.


Screw universal healthcare! Have you had to go to an ER lately or actually stay in a hospital? The quality of healthcare is pathetic in this country! Can you imagine what it would be like if everyone was insured? People would be going to the hospital and to doctors for every freaking thing!


I have opened this and read all the blogs. I would say this: (1)Obama DID answer the question about public financing by saying that what the republicans define as public financing was different than his understanding, so he would sit down first with McCain, and they would come to an agreement (2) Hillary got interrupted because, instead of answering questions, she tried to take over the floor for another stump speech. Last time she walked all over Russert. This time, the moderators controlled her better. (3)I agree with the comment about Hillary's "reject" versus Obama's "denounce." Very funny. (4) I agree with Kris. I'm a Republican, but I just might have to vote for Obama, clearly the more dignified, intelligent, and professional candidate. I am a lawyer, and in my book, good judgment and integrity trump excess years of experience. Thanks for reading this blog


Hillary says she wants to be a voice for the middle class, right on. When she is not riding in her limos and living in multi-million dollar homes then I wll beleive her. Does anyone remember Whitewater?


If the wom en of America want to see a woman president their only chance is Hillary-She's a fighter-she's strong.Obama is wooden --he's boring.


"We need a person to come in, that isn't part of this red-tape system, and run this country like a great corporation, that is not a part of a party and of this corrupt government that we all pay taxes to."

Yeah, Well George Washington has been dead for 209 years, and people like that in 2008 are called DICTATORS.


Hands down Hillary rocked-again. Her performance is the most consistent. The way she lays out her arguments has never been paralleled by Obama. If you put aside the bottom lines they traditionally want to get across form their campaign--man, Hillary's observant, well worded, thoughtful answers just show a person who has more of an understanding for an issue; she is really keen on what is exactly being asked and answered and you need that against a Republican. She has impressed me consistently.

I believe in their sincerity. I have always said that they are on the same team. I have said they were alike in policy. I have said they will be behind one another when the time comes for one or the other to move ahead.

In my heart of hearts I think Hillary would be a change for this country. For the world. I could elaborate, but there would be no point as the ChiTrib is not exactly a friendly place between the slant of the articles pro-Obama(the wording of ChiTrib's endorsement just killed it for me), and the Obamabots, who are the nastiest of people, they can't make an argument against Hillary without stooping to the Republican Clinton babble.

Obama's arguments have always lost me. He's all over the place broad and hifalutin. And, between the last debate and this debate his tendency to shadow Clinton answers was so obvious. Eventhough Obama mimicked some of the tones of Clinton from the last debate, and within this debate, what impressed me the most is the sincerity that came across. I think unlike his supporters he was in awe of Clinton's last performance, and he truly sees, what I see, that she is one hell of a contender who is capable of leading in our time; her focus is something to be reckon with and emulated. And, I think as I watched her watch him, she saw what was evident, she was admiring her in him. He came to kill in dress, and his arguments were more focused. I think the best thing that has come out of them running against each other-is that it has made Obama better for it. Personally, I don't think he is as sound as she is, when I watch them lay out their arguments, but he has benefited from the experience.

No matter what comes, Obama and Hillary will make unbelievable leaders. And, to be quite honest these last two debates have impressed me because I know they do fit the shoe, so to speak, for what we need to move forward. Being a Democrat never made me so proud.


Mr. Jim are you a Reublican or Democrat. Who did you vot for last elction Bush? It sounds like you can't make up your mind.


I think Hillary has more experience than Obama, where it counts.


BO was asked point blank by Russert if he rejected Farrahkan's endorcement, and he did not say he rejected it -- he said he could do nothing about it. Once again, Hillary had to school him in the proper answer. (which is the reason for asking her questions first, in case anyone is as dense as the msnbc moderators as to not "get it") Calling him Minister Farrahkan said a lot in my book -- it's deferential.


Mr. Jim are you a Republican or Democrat. Who did you vot for last election Bush? It sounds like you can't make up your mind.


In regards to Russert pulling a trick question out of his bag: "On Sunday, March 2, Russia will have a presidential election, "What can you tell me about the man who will Putin's successor?"...

I am a huge fan of Obama, but the truth is Hillary won that question by flying colors. At least she knew who Putin's successor will be! Maybe she could not pronounce his name fully but she knew his name. I cringed when I heard Obama's response. He did not just parrot Hillary-- The truth of the matter is that he did not know anything about Putin's successor. That is concerning.

Hillary may be argumentative and polarizing- but she has depth. I am still searching for Obama's depth.

Also, being Jewish, I was very uncomfortable with the Jewish/Anti-Semitism piece.

McCain's only redeeming quality is that there is no question in my mind that he will be a very good friend to Israel. Can the same be said for either Obama or Clinton? I am not sure...


Hillary just sounds bitter complaining about the question order and referencing Saturday Night Live to criticize Obama. She needs a miracle now. The woman just comes off horribly in debates.

Although Jackson is dead right that Obama's answer to the Farrakhan question will haunt him. Kudos to Russert for putting him on the spot like that.


Interesting how the men are always talking about Hillary raising her voice. It must scare them. Maybe it takes them back to when they were little boys and their momma yelled at them. I wonder if that's why more men are voting for Obama then they are Hilary.


Obama 'knows' a lot about nothing when it comes to foreign events. I would not vote for him if he was the only one running. He is a big phony ... great oratory full of hot air !


not having seen the debate myself, it's nonetheless interesting reading the comments posted here. never has it been clearer to me that the less educated, less intelligent wing of the democratic party is for clinton, while the more educated, more intelligent wing is for obama. this is in line with all of the major polls, which show hillary in the lead amongst the stupid, and obama in the lead amongst the smart. and it's evidenced by the clinton-supporting posts being far more littered with spelling and grammar errors than the obama-supporting posts. many of the arguments for hillary and against obama are simplistic, misguided, and uninformed (or what you'd expect from stupid people), while many of the arguments for obama and against hillary are well-reasoned, complex, and show an understanding of how the world works.

isn't this enough, by itself, to show who the better candidate is? if i'm faced with a tough decision, and smart people are telling me to go with option a, and stupid people are telling me to go with option b, i'm pretty sure i'm going with option a.


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90% of the comments in here are colored by bias and short on content and insight. With our country on the precipice of its most important decision in eight years, I find that sad.

Why bother commenting if we're all just going to yell at each other and spread innuendo, bias, and nonsense?


Tony--Hear! Hear! I'm a lawyer too and I could not agree more.

Hillary wanted a debate a week leading up to March 4 primaries, and then she complains about getting all the questions first?! My goodness--she staked Wisconsin on Obama not debating her enough and now she can't take questions first??!! She should take each question first on principle since she wanted all these freakin' debates! She is nothing but a whiner... I can't imagine her as President.

And again, Hillary was interrupted because she cannot answer a question directly or succinctly. She tried to wrestle the Iraq invasion question back from Brian Williams when she realized she talked so much about nothing she actually failed to answer the question. And thankfully, Brian took a commercial break despite her bullying to try and answer the question after the fact.

Her fighter stance is admirable and yes, some fighting is needed, but we do need to turn the page on 51-49 votes. We need a mandate from the American people that change is desired, change is required, and we can only achieve that with a new vision and new way of running Washington. It is at least worth a try. Let's face it: w/ 9 trillion dollar debt, a war without end, a recession and our stalwarts failing us daily (public education, transportation and infrastructure), we can hardly do worse...


The press seems to be afraid to ask Obama tough questions. For example, why did they ask Sen Clinton about Putin's successor? Obama's answer was "I agree with her" and then elaborated with nonrelevant wordiness. As a matter of fact that is what he always does. She is always asked the first hard questions. I think Sen Clinton won the debate hands down. She is articulate, knowlegeable, compassionate,strong, caring, and inspirational. She is a great role model. Too bad people are falling for the banal elequence of Elmer Gantry. It's interesting how differently he sounds when he gives his stump speech when he can use his teleprompter to read his cut and paste speeches and when he puts me to sleep with his answers at the debates. For all you who are enamered with him, I ask you what are you missing in your life?


Halle--
What part of the Obama's comments on Jews/Israel were you uncomfortable with?

I'm Jewish as well as was really impressed with the way he responded to concerns about his association with Farrakhan, He affirmed and emphasized that he is a firm and passionate supporter of Israel, and also acknowledged and condemned anti-semitism among some African Americans, and identified efforts he's already made to combat this type of prejudice .... I really don't see how he could have answered those questions better.


@ misty dawn collier....get a life and read, my dear. you sound so sheepishly ignorant.

@ miles long-LOLOLOL!!!
i am tired of the sense of entitlement that hillary has...it bores me...and barack stung her when he called her out for saying one thing, then conveniently changing it once the democratic nomination is at stake. just isn't trustworthy to me......


Posted by: chad_broski | February 27, 2008 12:48 AM

Did you place yourself in the dumb category? Your punctuation was off. Voting for someone based on what others think and say also falls in the dumb category.


"Why bother commenting if we're all just going to yell at each other and spread innuendo, bias, and nonsense?"

After 20 debates and god knows how many media outlets, people have talked the issues to death. Most of the people contributing have already made up their minds. I think people were blogging as the debate happened. They responded to whatever they saw, or struck them.


I think we should have a National Day of Prayer for the Right Leader Day because frankly each one of the three contenders for the presidency has both strong and weak points. For Obama - he is personable and articulate and that may serve him well when dealing with those across the aisle, but he needs more foreign policy hands-on experience (and please don't say he voted against the War when he wasn't even in the Seante yet). Hillary has the advantage of seeing her Rhodes Scholar President husband deal with foreign dignitaries; she is also committed to healthcare, and will probably over-achieve just because she would be the first women President. I believe she is honest in her desire to correct the mistakes of the last 8 years. She needs now listen to her own voice and not that of her questionable advisors who may tarnish her good intentions. John McCain may have the years of experience, the war hero background, but he scares many because he still has the "them against us" mentality that could become the final nail in the coffin of this great country. Also, his age is a negative factor because we don't know who we would be stuck with (his running mate) should he fail to fulfill his four years in office in full control of his mental faculties. Therefore, I think we need to set aside a day of prayer for the purpose of selecting a "Redeemer", a person of goodness and light, integrity, honor and peace and wisdom to lead us from the darkness of these past years into the light of national dignity and global redemption.

Seriously folks, let's pray that the next President is chosen through Divine destiny, otherwise, we'll be in for a bumpy ride, worse than the last one.

All religions welcome. Atheists play it by ear.


Everyone gets 100 per cent from me when I first meet them. I then deduct for each negative statement or act.

So far, Senator Clinton is down to 16 per cent and Senator Obama is still 100 per cent.

IMO, he won the debate. He's a very classy man and I'd like it if he'd be the one to represent the U.S.A. to all other countries. Perhaps then, the world would know that the people of America really do want change.

If Obama is the nominee, he'll get my vote. If Clinton wins, I'll vote for McCain (who rates 40 per cent on my personal scale). If it turns out he was involved in the Keating debacle, he'll go down to zero.


I'm more concerned about Obama's vote on the Schiavo bill than Clinton's vote on the war. What rationale does Obama provide for his vote on the Schiavo Bill? Does he truly believe that government has the right to step in like that on a very personal matter?


Hillary won the debate handsdown. They kept asking her the questions first. Everytime they asked Obama a question he did not know, he would then say, "well, as Senator Clinton just said...".
He did not know the current situation in Kosovo.
He did not know the person who they were putting up for President.
He did not know many other current events and that's when he suddently would agree with Senator Clinton!


IMPORTANT:

Obama did NOT vote for the Schiavo intervention bill.

The vote was called on Easter recess, and only 3 out of the hundred US Senators were present (and 260 of the 435 House members).

Obama's point was he wished he had returned to dissent the shady affair.

The Swamp really should clarify this, as the post as it currently reads implies he voted for the bill.


Posted by: IndependentMan | February 26, 2008 9:07 PM

Shouldn't you be out driving your Rolls???

I guess I shouldn't ride my motorcycle either. Give it a rest Dr. With all due respect.

Another liberal living in his basement with his mother. Hating Americans who demonstrate success in our society and demanding they give up their hard-earned wealth to losers. Hey loser, he didn't take his Rolls from you! Obama voters are young, foolish, broke, pot-smokers. This guy has "foolish" covered.


I think Hillary has more experience than Obama, where it counts.

Posted by: Donna Wottlin | February 27, 2008 12:14 AM

In the bedroom with Bill?
Donna please. Give it a rest. She's toast. THE END!

CHJ, could you please tell me where you purchase what your smoking? I mean what debate were you watching? Is everyone who supports Hillary on crack? She jumped at those questions. What did you want Obama to do, interupt her???

"Hillary won the debate handsdown. They kept asking her the questions first. Everytime they asked Obama a question he did not know, he would then say, "well, as Senator Clinton just said...".
He did not know the current situation in Kosovo.
He did not know the person who they were putting up for President.
He did not know many other current events and that's when he suddently would agree with Senator Clinton!"

Posted by: CHJ | February 27, 2008 7:16 AM

I just don't get all this cr%p about his lack of foreign policy knowledge. Why then are the Europeans craving an Obama presidency.

Isn't Hillary the person who admittedly said to Tim Russert that she wished she could have the Iraq vote back. Ready on day one? She was ready to give in to George Bush on day one.

Look I like Hillary and gave money to her campaign early on but I think she has not only lost it, but has just plain run into a better man. All you need to do is look at how much more efficiently he has run his campaign. THINK CHJ. It ain't illegal yet!!! Obama 2008.


If you really wanted to buy a house and it was a tough deal nwho would vyou want to close the deal--Hillary or Obama?The guy is a parrot --listens to what she says - agrees and adds--big hat no cattle-p-0If thbne women inm AMERICA WANT A WOMAN PRESIDENT THEY BETTER VOTE FOR hILLAry because she's their only chance. I think special interests wouyld knock him flat.

Posted by: big jd | February 26, 2008 11:33 PM

Learn to spell dude. The fact that people like you are allowed to vote is scary. Real scary!


Hillary won.

I am truly scared of the idea of Obama leading our nation when it comes to foreign policy - I cannot see him being decisive in perilous times. He is so calm and calming he puts people to sleep.

Posted by: AJ Fish | February 26, 2008 11:51 PM

Why wouldn't he be calm. Kinda like a boxer who has won 11 rounds of a twelve round fight, and coasts to a victory in the twelth.

Hillary lost.
12th round TKO.


The perception that NBC moderators were "easy" on Obama by repeatedly starting with Clinton in the questioning is patently false. Both Clinton and Obama are lawyers (as I am). Clinton knows that in asserting a position on an issue, the one who asserts (e.g., the claimant, plaintiff) states a position, the "respondent" or "defendant" then articulates a response, then the first party gets the chance to "rebut." Clinton was in the best seat for this, because (1)if Obama agreed with her and offered a similar response to the question, he would be perceived as merely shallow and parroting her view; (2) if he offered an opposing response, she would most likely get the final word with a rebuttal; and (3)time would dictate that the parties move on and no (or only brief) answer to a rebuttal would most likely be allowed. The bottom line is, Clinton blew it. Instead of giving straightforward answers, she tried to use her time stumping her campaign (e.g, in response to the very first question, she launched into her healthcare platform)and then continued to dominate the time until the moderators had to cut her off. Her emotional volatility was also a negative.


Obama's pitch is meaningless and bumper sticker material. What candidate that has run for office the last 200 years has not proposed change. Can you imagine a candidate comeing out and saying, "I'm for the status quo, elect me?"
For some reason, Obama appears to me to be the Anti Christ. Something about this guy makes him appear to be what he is not, and that is, "honest"!


What exactly is generating the perception that Obama is the one representing change. What change specifically? Where does his change differ from Hilary's change? There really is no foundation for this irrational belief, is there.


Posted by: IndependentMan | February 26, 2008 9:07 PM

Shouldn't you be out driving your Rolls???

I guess I shouldn't ride my motorcycle either. Give it a rest Dr. With all due respect.

Another liberal living in his basement with his mother. Hating Americans who demonstrate success in our society and demanding they give up their hard-earned wealth to losers. Hey loser, he didn't take his Rolls from you! Obama voters are young, foolish, broke, pot-smokers. This guy has "foolish" covered.

Posted by: K.P. | February 27, 2008 8:05 AM

Hey jag bag, of course you didn't get the referance to the nanny state. I wouldn't expect someone of your limited intelligence quotient to get the point. Secondly I own my house free and clear. Drive a German car, and own five custom made American motorcycles. Enjoy that rock you live under.

Obama 2008


Dr. R. Gene Kerr, Cambridge, Ohio

googled, checked other sources, having trouble finding this doctor, how strange


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