New poll: Big leads for Hillary Clinton in Ohio, PA: The Swamp
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Posted February 14, 2008 11:15 AM
The Swamp

By Jim Tankersley

The Rust Belt could be Hillary Clinton’s Waterloo – but for now, it looks like a great place for a final charge.

Clinton, the Democratic senator from New York, is betting her presidential campaign on big wins in Ohio and Pennsylvania. A new poll shows her leading Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) by more than 15 percentage points in both states, an advantage that cuts across demographic lines and offers Clinton hope amidst a late-February losing streak.

Quinnipiac University’s polling shows Clinton leading Obama 55 percent to 34 percent among Ohio Democrats and 52 to 36 percent in Pennsylvania. She leads in both states among women – her biggest base in this primary election so far – and also among men, who have tended to back Obama in earlier votes. Obama carries African-American voters in both states, but in Ohio, only 64 percent support him, well below his previous margins.

The poll also shows Clinton leading presumptive Republican nominee John McCain among all likely voters in Pennsylvania by a slightly wider margin than Obama does; in Ohio, they are both statistically tied with McCain. Democrats consider both states crucial to the party’s White House hopes in November.

Ohio’s primary is set for March 4, on a critical primary day that also includes Texas. Pennsylvania will vote in April. In both states, pollsters reported, the economy tops Iraq as the biggest concern to voters. They also noted that Obama has overcome similar deficits before, raising the stakes even higher for Clinton.

"Ohio is as good a demographic fit for Sen. Clinton as she will find. It is blue-collar America, with a smaller percentage of both Democrats with college educations and African- Americans than in many other states where Sen. Obama has carried the day," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "If Clinton can't win the primary there, it is very difficult to see how she stops Obama."

Read on for the full release on the poll, which also includes general election data from the swing state of Florida.

February 14, 2008 - Clinton Leads Among Ohio, Pennsylvania Likely Dem Voters, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds; November Matchups Remain Close

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has commanding leads, especially among women, over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among likely Democratic primary voters in the critical swing states of Ohio and Pennsylvania, according to Quinnipiac University's Swing State Poll, three simultaneous surveys of voters in states that have been pivotal in presidential elections since 1964. In these two states and Florida, a swing state that already conducted a primary, Arizona Sen. John McCain, the Republican front-runner, is running neck and neck with either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama. Results are:
Florida: McCain 44 percent - Clinton 42 percent; McCain 41 percent - Obama 39 percent;
Ohio: McCain 44 percent - Clinton 43 percent; McCain 42 percent - Obama 40 percent;
Pennsylvania: Clinton 46 percent - McCain 40 percent; Obama 42 percent - McCain 41 percent.

Clinton leads Obama 55 - 34 percent among likely Democratic primary voters in Ohio and 52 - 36 percent among likely Democratic primary voters in Pennsylvania. These are the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll's first surveys in this election cycle of Ohio and Pennsylvania likely voters, a more select group than the wider range of registered voters surveyed in prior polls.


In each state, voters see the economy, not the war in Iraq, as the most important issue.


"Despite her losing streak, Sen. Clinton remains far ahead of Sen. Obama among likely Democratic primary voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.


"But in some of the earlier contests Obama has closed similar gaps and gone on to win. With Ohio the next big state, along with Texas, voting on March 4, Clinton must fend off another last-minute Obama surge in the Buckeye State," Brown added.


"Ohio is as good a demographic fit for Sen. Clinton as she will find. It is blue-collar America, with a smaller percentage of both Democrats with college educations and African- Americans than in many other states where Sen. Obama has carried the day," said Brown. "If Clinton can't win the primary there, it is very difficult to see how she stops Obama."


Among Ohio Democrats, women back Clinton 56 - 30 percent while men back her 52 - 42 percent. Clinton leads 64 - 28 percent among white Democrats, while Obama leads 64 - 17 percent among black voters.


Among Pennsylvania Democrats, Clinton leads 54 - 34 percent with women, 49 - 39 percent with men and 58 - 31 percent among whites. Obama leads 71 - 10 percent among black Democrats.


"With Sen. Obama closing the gap, the winner in Pennsylvania probably will depend on whether blacks, young people and college graduates in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh can turn out in sufficient strength to overcome Sen. Clinton's strong lead among blue collar voters and women," said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.


The survey found that New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg gets only 6 to 9 percent running as an independent in any of the three states, and he seems to hurt McCain the most.


"If Mayor Bloomberg is thinking about running as an independent because he thinks he can win, he ought to think again," said Brown.


Florida


In a general election matchup, McCain edges Clinton 44 - 42 percent among registered voters and gets 41 percent to Obama's 39 percent.


If New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg runs as an independent candidate, results are:
Clinton at 40 percent to McCain's 38 percent, with 7 percent for Bloomberg;
McCain with 37 percent to Obama's 35 percent and 9 percent for Bloomberg.

In an open-ended question, allowing for any answer, 33 percent of Florida voters list the economy as the biggest single factor in their presidential vote, with 14 percent for the war in Iraq and 12 percent for healthcare.


Florida voters disapprove 61 - 31 percent of the job President George W. Bush is doing, but disagree 68 - 23 percent with the statement: "I am so angry at President Bush that I will not vote for Republican John McCain for President this November."


"Florida is perhaps the most conservative of the big three swing states, but even there Sen. McCain is getting about 80 percent of Republicans, indicating that this problem with conservative voters might not be as great as his problem with conservative leaders," Brown said. Ohio


McCain gets 44 percent to Clinton's 43 percent in the general election and edges Obama 42 - 40 percent.


With Bloomberg in the race, Clinton and McCain tie at 40 percent each, with 6 percent for Bloomberg; McCain gets 39 percent to Obama's 38 percent with 6 percent for Bloomberg.


Among Ohio voters, 32 percent list the economy as the most important issue in the campaign, with 16 percent listing Iraq and 14 percent citing healthcare.


Ohio voters disapprove 61 - 31 percent of the job President Bush is doing, but only 23 percent say they will take their anger out on McCain. Pennsylvania


Clinton leads McCain 46 - 40 percent in the general election, while Obama has 42 percent to McCain's 41 percent.


In a three-way race with Bloomberg, Clinton leads McCain 42 - 36 percent, with 7 percent for Bloomberg; McCain and Obama are tied at 38 percent each, with 7 percent for Bloomberg.


The economy is the most important election issue for 27 percent of Pennsylvania voters, followed by Iraq at 19 percent and healthcare at 14 percent.


Pennsylvania voters disapprove 64 - 30 percent of the job President Bush is doing, but only 21 percent say they are so angry at Bush that they will vote against McCain.


From February 6 - 12, Quinnipiac University surveyed:
1,009 Florida voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.1 percent;
1,748 Ohio voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.3 percent, including 564 Democratic likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 4.1 percent;
1,419 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percent, including 577 Democratic likely voters, with a margin of error of +/- 4.1 percent. The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio and nationwide as a public service and for research.

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Comments

Ahead in the polls....I guess thats a done deal Huh?


Polls had Hillary up big in Missouri too.. We know how that turned out..


Ohio LOVES Hillary Clinton! Pennsylvania LOVES Hillary Clinton! Texas LOVES Hillary Clinton!

As Ohio goes, so goes the nation. No one can become President without winning Ohio. Hillary polls well against McCain in Ohio while Obama does not. It's that simple friends, Hillary Clinton is the strongest, most electable candidate in the race. Hillary Clinton wins big in the big states that are must wins for the Dems in November.
Bonus! Hillary is a Chicago girl, born and raised here! Let's see, Obama is from Honolulu and Jakarta, Indonesia??? HMMM.... Hillary is the homestate girl!!! In spite of the shameless 24/7 hit job on Hillary by the corporate owned media, the left wingnut radio, the right wingnuts, Hillary stands strong, battle tested, battle ready! ROCK ON HILLARY!

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Yeah it's a done deal so we stopped campaigning there. We are now setting up our victory party!!!


Oh crap here he comes!!!


These numbers are nothing new for Clinton in Ohio and Pennsylvania, she has ALWAYS had huge leads since the beginning, it's her name recognition and it's always been that way, so why is the media pumping these numbers out as if they are new? They aren't. Go back in all the polls in these states from the beginning and you will see she had an even wider lead before. Obama's numbers in Ohio and Pennsylvania were always in the toilet, like in the teens or something, just like California, New Jersey and New York. I don't think this gap will prevail, however, now. March 4th is a long time -- lately -- and things can move, change, as they seem to have done and are doing.


The media is now attempting to help Clinton(Hillary). Last night on MSNBC they had a show titled: Ways in which Hillary can defeat Obama with panelist giving their spin on ways to defeat him. What? And we have the audacity to complain about Russia's Democracy.


I guess those states didn't get the memo about the Obama media coronation.

Will these polls stop Chris Matthews' leg from tingling?


Maurice,
Calm down, please. It's called "political analysis." It happens all the time. It doesn't mean the media is backing Clinton. Rather, think of it in these terms: Before this last Super Bowl, talking heads spent hours exploring how the NY Giants could stop the NE Patriots. It did not mean that the networks wanted the Giants to win. In fact, most seemed to lean in favor of the Patriots. It just meant that these people were asked to analyze the game, and they did. No different here. So relax, OK? If Hillary wins, it won't be because hte media discussed how she could do it. Democracy is not coming to an end.


Obama hasn't even begun campaigning in earnest in either of these states. All he has to do is pound Hillary on the fact that NAFTA was passed during her husband's administration and many, many blue collar males are going to drop her in favor of Obama at the drop of a hat. Besides, the pollsters have had an abysmal track record in predictions - excepting New Hampshire, they've always overestimated Hillary's support. The momentum is, and remains, with Obama. Hillary is like Napoleon at Waterloo just after Marshal Ney's unsuccessful cavalry charges - her army is still intact but doubt is growing and growing and growing. Even Carville gives her only a 1 in 4 chance now of getting the nomination. God, how good it feels watching the self-styled empress see her "coronation" fade ever more into wishful thinking.


Go Hillary!!!! The Obama showboat is not ready for the Republican high seas. After so many empty speaches, the smoke is starting to clear away and there's nothing behind it all but mirrors. Clinton has got the substance to win it all and will start with Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania. Go Hillary!!!


Once you get past the Silva spin, you find the real headline story of the poll: that Republican John McCain is leading both Clinton II and the Empty Suit in Ohio and Florida.

Most observers believe the Dems must pick up one of these two Bush 2004 states to win in 2008. Yet the supposedly "sure-to-lose" GOP (according to the media, which is never wrong and never biased) has a candidate who is winning both states.

Since the real story looks pretty good for Republicans, the reporter buries the real story.


Im still waiting to hear what Obama is going to do? Does anyone know?????????


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