Obama, Clinton parse meaning of 'pledged': The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted February 19, 2008 3:09 PM
The Swamp

by Christi Parsons

As Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama publicly court votes in Tuesday's contests, their campaigns are also beginning to test the future rules of engagement behind the scenes.

This morning, Obama advisors held a telephone conference to decry word that the Clinton campaign might be thinking about courting delegates Obama has already won -- not superdelegates, who are free to vote as they wish, but pledged delegates, who are chosen in primaries and caucuses and expected to vote a certain way when they get to the party convention.

Campaign manager David Plouffe didn't claim to have firsthand knowledge that the Clinton team was cooking up such a strategy, but the conference was called to discuss a Politico piece suggesting the Clintons might consider that an option down the road.

Phil Singer, a spokesman for Clinton, said the New York senator is up to no such thing.

"We have not, are not and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama," Singer said. "It's now time for the Obama campaign to be clear about their intentions regarding our pledged delegates."

Asked that very question, Plouffe simply said the campaign is "focused on winning pledged delegates" in the scheduled contests that still remain.

But he and David Wilhelm, another Obama advisor, made it clear they think it's a poor tactic that voters would respond to negatively.

So is it fair to go after the pledged delegates? Maybe the answer depends on how badly one needs to do so.

Digg Delicious Facebook Fark Google Newsvine Reddit Yahoo

Comments

No they shouldn't, but yes they will.

Result? I wouldn't count Ron Paul out yet. Now that's McCain and wife have decided to jump into this mudfight, Paul may be the only responsible adult left in the room. Shockingly enough.


If a candidate is willing to subvert the votes of THE PEOPLE in order to gain the nomination that candidate will stand no chance in a general election (where hopefully the people's vote matters, not the Supreme Court's). While we are busy exporting democracy to the far reaches of the world we seem to be losing our own (I know, we're technically a Republic, but the people should at least have their say in who is representing them- thus a representative democracy).

If the Dem nomination is decided by superdelegates (and/or shifting "pledged" delegates) instead of the voters it will be a travesty for the democratic party and the U.S. as a whole. What will our image to the rest of the world be if our elections are decided by the few and not the many?!? We will look like idiots on the world stage and no nation will ever believe that our intentions are to spread freedom and democracy; as opposed to simply U.S. imperialistic machinations under the guise of spreading freedom.

As for the Democratic party, if the people's will is subverted in favor of the superdelegates and party bgwigs, et al, I will be voting AGAINST the Democratic party for the first time in my life this October (and not just the Dem Pres. candidate, but every last Democratic candidate on my ballot!!!).


CLINTONS! CLINTON! I HOPE AMERICANS SEE YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE. HOW LOW CAN YOU GO, THIS IS SHAMEFUL.


Obama rhetoric is full of hot air. He will not face off on a real debate with Senator Clinton; rather Obama has been hiding behind the race card during the last debate sound off. We better start seeing some substance from this guy soon. I am beginning to think he is all smokes and mirror.


Yet another tactic by the Clinton machine to take this election away from barack obama


As I mentioned in another blog entry, Clinton has already failed to file for a full slate of Pennsylvania delegates despite Pennsylvania being absolutely crucial to her winning a delegate majority. Is this really a woman ready to lead on "Day One" when she can't even run her own campaign? Should we be thinking about shifting pledged delegates to her when she can't even be bothered to properly file for them on the ballot (even with an extension!)?

==========
Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign failed to file a full slate of convention delegate candidates for Pennsylvania's April 22 primary.

This despite the possibility the primary proves critical and despite Clinton owning the full-throated support of Gov. Rendell, state Democratic Party leadership, Mayor Nutter and, presumably, the organizational skill all that entails.

And despite a Rendell-ordered extension of the filing deadline that could be viewed as more than just coincidental.

"There are a number of Clinton delegates that did not file for reasons of illness or other issues," Democratic state chairman T.J. Rooney conceded yesterday after being questioned by the Daily News.

He initially said he was unaware of the fact, but confirmed it after checking with Clinton's state delegate petition organizer.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/15759032.html
==========

I'd really like to hear a Clinton supporter explain with a straight face why ANYONE should have faith in Clinton's ability to lead a nation when her presidental campaign has been a constant fiasco of cronyism, poor money management, inter-office lies, a horrific lack of planning past Feb 5th, failure to file for delegates and a refusal to make documents such as her tax returns available.

This isn't about Obama-tis or Obama-that. It's about Clinton and her frighteningly inept management style which she'll carry into the White House.


If anyone is still wondering why Crazy McCain is joining in with the Hillary camp with baseless attacks on Senator Obama, here's why.


Here a sample poll of Presidential head-to-heads for the general, from SurveyUSA.

Virginia. 2/15-17. 554 registered voters. MoE 4.2%

McCain 45%
Obama 51%

McCain 48%
Clinton 45%

Iowa. 2/15-17. 563 registered voters. MoE 4.2%

McCain 41%
Obama 51%

McCain 52%
Clinton 41%

These results continue to show Obama beating the snot out of Warmonger John McCain/Bush.


I saw this on Politico, and think it sad and relevant that no Clinton supporter popped up to explain that such a tactic would clearly be beneath the campaign. Sounds like more testing of the waters, following the various stabs at why superdelegates overturning the pledged delegate preference is a good thing for the party.


The Clintons have proved again and again that they would do anything to win. The interesting thing is that they do not feel guity at all about using dirty tricks or damaging other people's reputation or lives (e.g., think of all the woman victims of Bill).

I think the government should protect thosed pledged delegates so that they will not be threatened or bribed.


If Hiliary is elected president then that means that a majority of the voters have decided to install her as the Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces. I suppose that makes Bill the First Man, with not a whole lot to do except manage the female aids. That sounds like the fox guarding the hen house dosen’t it. But wait, Bill can also devote quite a bit of time to his foundation and contributors. What a deal, it sounds like having your cake and eating it too. Or to make the situation even more profoundly absurd if something happens to Hiliary then Bill’s back. Vote Republican and your worst concerns are over.


If your spouse works as a CEO of a company for 8 years, can you go for the interview and say that I have the experience of a CEO and I m ready to run the show. I guess probably not! I dont understand where is Hilary claiming her experience and discounting Obama as just rhetoric. With all the scandals that Clintons were involved during late 90's that were known internationally which made world loose credibility for them, I dont know how they are running such a tarnishing campaign against Obama. Desparation doesnt end up in success and I belive Clintons are going to drop out exactly within the next 30 days losing in WI, OH, TX. I m even guessing clintons are going to end up tarnishing their own image by the end of this campaign and loose respect amongst american people.


John E, was that you who fainted at the Obama rally?


The superdelegates are there TO overrule the will of the people. (As represented by a quota system)
Notice that the Republicans treat their voters as full and equal members of a party.


Goodbye USA and Hello Zimbabwe. If Obama is elected this country will become a third world country just the way Mobutu turned the "Bread Basket of Africa" into a third world country in just 8 years. But all the white boys and girls looking for their new black friend don't care. Zimbabwe has 100,000% inflation and over 40% of the people in the country have AIDS. Then he steals from that thief Deval Patrick. What a disgrace. But, the holier than thou syncophants will march into the polling places and vote for this empty suit.


What the hell does Zimbabwe have to do with anything? We already have plenty of inflation and AIDS right here at home in the good ol', God-blessed USA.


Obama this, Obama that, Obama plagiarized this, he's an empty suit... that's all the Clintonites have against Obama. They have resorted to the lowest of the low, desperately trying to attack Obama and twist everything he says to derail his campaign Swift Boat style. Ahhhhhhh, Karl Rove would be proud of Dubya II/John Kerry II all in one candidate. And by the poll results posted by John E, she loses horribly to McCain, whereas Obama easily defeats him, so I challenge all Clintonites to explain how she is going to win in November when there are polls out showing her LOSING HORRIBLY against McCain? What has Obama done that makes him less worthy of the highest office of the land? "Stolen" a couple of lines from a fellow Democrat? Why don't you ask Hillary to explain her stealing Obama's ideas, calling her campaign a "movement", "Yes We Will", "Fired Up and Ready To Go". Oh and there's the $5 mill loan that she refuses to release tax returns for until she is the nominee, and you Clintonites want her over Barack Obama? Sorry, I'd rather take Obama, a man who pledges change, hope, and inspires us all over some former First Lady who got into the Senate and is running her success off of her husband Bill. Unless you want McCain for eight years, vote Obama. And I promise you, with President McCain, our country will get worse and our troops will be in Iraq for 100 years. With President Obama, we can get the change and new direction America needs after the Bush-Clinton dynasty of the last decade.


obama is nothing more then an L Ron Hubbard who leads without knowing where he is going.If he does win the nomination, as a life long democrat ,i'm voting for McCain.


Rock on Jeff V., echoing what you said... The candidates' campaigns are the largest organizations that they've had to run to date. Clinton's apparent inability to manage her advisers and control the dozen or so gaffes that we've seen over the past month and a half is a good indication of what kind of administration she'd run, that is error-prone, in constant crisis mode, letting loyalty trump competence, refusing to acknowledge broadly recognized mistakes...hmm...is this starting to sound like anyone else we know?

Put an end to the Bush-Clinton-Bush regime.

Meanwhile, Obama's put together a world-class team that competes in all fifty states and looks likely to pull off one of the biggest upsets in modern political history without having to resort to negative campaigning. Tell you anything?


Post a comment

(Anonymous comments will not be posted. Comments aren't posted immediately. They're screened for relevance to the topic, obscenity, spam and over-the-top personal attacks. We can't always get them up as soon as we'd like so please be patient. Thanks for visiting The Swamp.)

Please enter the letter "f" in the field below:

Quizzes

palin or fey

Palin or Fey?

McCain

Know the presidents?

McCain

Your McCain IQ

Obama

Your Obama IQ

Latest polls

Electoral vote map

map

Test your scenarios

Galleries

Palin

Sarah Palin

campaign

Campaign trail

conventions

RNC | DNC

Unauthorized tour

Obama

Obama's Chicago

News, but funnier

Cartoon

Walt Handelsman

Cartoon

The Lowe- Down

Cartoon

Joe Fournier

Cartoon

Editorial cartoons

Candidate match


Test assumptions