Obama fires away at McCain: The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted February 9, 2008 6:31 PM
The Swamp

by Mike Dorning

BANGOR, Me.—It’s Hillary Clinton that Barack Obama must compete against in caucuses and a primary tonight and again in caucuses here in Maine on Sunday.

But to listen to him talk, his mind is on John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee now that Mitt Romney has withdrawn from the race.

Obama began firing away at the Arizona senator moments after he walked up to the podium at the first event of the day, a media event on “tax fairness” in Bangor in which Obama promoted his proposal for a middle-class tax cut while excoriating the Bush Administration for tax cuts that the Democrat said benefit the rich.

Aiming for McCain’s reputation for steady, principled leadership, Obama pointed out that McCain had twice voted against those tax cuts in the Senate before championing their extension as presidential candidate courting the support of anti-tax conservatives.

“He said it went against his conscience to support tax cuts for the rich in a time of war and that it was an act of statesmanship to oppose them. A lot of us respected those words,” Obama said.

“But I think, as he rushed to embrace some of the worst aspects of the Bush legacy, some of the wheels came off the Straight Talk Express because now he supports making those tax cuts permanent,” he continued.

He followed up with a back-handed compliment that is increasingly creeping into Obama’s public remarks.

“I greatly respect Sen. McCain’s half-century of service to this nation,” Obama said.

Translation: Isn’t that what people say at a retirement ceremony? No, wait, a half-century? That sounds more like something out of a history book. And come to think of it, isn’t there a Democratic candidate who is always talking about “35 years of public service?”

For those who didn’t quite pick up on the implications of the young senator’s pleasant-sounding remark, as usual it came with a “but.”

“But what America needs right now isn’t a leader who embraces the failed policies of the past,” Obama continued. “What America needs is a new generation of leadership.”

At a raucous rally afterward that filled a 7,000 capacity arena in Bangor up to a packed nosebleed section and had the crowd clapping, stomping, jumping and shouting along with his speech, Obama wove criticism of McCain into his uplifting hope-filled stump speech.

Though he did address differences with his Democratic opponent by name at the rally, he focused on making the case that he would be the better candidate against McCain. The only boos at the rally were when Obama denounced a comment McCain made last month that he would be willing to stay in Iraq another 100 years if necessary to secure the country.

“When it comes to foreign policy, John McCain says he wants to fight a 100-year war—a hundred years, as long as it takes,” channeling outrage from the crowd.

“That is not designed to make us safer,” he continued, shifting the crowd to cheers. “That is simply stubbornness. That is designed to try to make a bad decision look better.”

And that, surely, is a rallying cry that Obama hopes to still be making a hundred days from now—after the last of the primaries is over and the Democrats may have their own presumptive nominee.

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Were you at the same rally I was at? (I'm assuming so since there was only one) Obama addressed the difference between Hillary and himself for nearly 15 minutes at the end of his speech. He answered every criticism the Clinton campaign has had of him. He even addressed why he would be better matched than Hillary when debating against McCain. Did you leave early? The Obama I heard speak focused on both the current opponent (Clinton) as well as his future one (McCain).


To complement Senator Obama's comment and observation, I honestly think the war in Iraq was a senseless and strategically deficient and ill-conceived one.
For McCain to advocate for its continuity is tantamount to unpatriotism and the continual perpetuation of mediocrity.

What America need at the moment is a leader that cut across blue and red states, white, black and colored.
Furthermore, the leader who is ever ready to unite the country and not just his constituency or political party will be most desirable.

If you love the United States of America, then it is important to join hand togather for change and hope.

God bless USA
God bless Obama


Imagine staying in Iraq for the next 100 years!! How disastrous that would turn out. Just 6 years so far has costed trillions and just this year
Bush has proposed a 3.1 trillion dollar budget that he hopes would be balanced in 2012. People need to get out of the delusional McCain policy and embrace the reality. This futile war is costing trillions in dollars, thousand in lifes and hundreds of countries beginning to hate the US.

Say no to McCain..

Barack Obama 08!!


OBOMHEAD DOES HE NOW WHAT
HE IS TALKING ABOUT?
WHAT HAS HE EVER DON?
AND WHAT CAN HE DO?
HE CAN TALK A GOOD GAME
BUT HE CAN NOT PLAY THE GAME.


Barack can beat John in November but John will beat Billory if the super delegates
make a foolish undemocratic choice.


Why is it a back-handed compliment? It's not creepy as McCain clenching his teeth and calling everyone "my friends"! Obama is correct, the thousands at his rallies didn't vote for war, recession, or Republican no-government ideology. They're new voters and they're mad that everything is a mess and the US government has failed in it's responsibilities. They're mad at Republicans for "leading" and Democrats for not stopping them. They want the entire Old Guard out of there! Stop the drama, vote Obama!


All three of the remaining candidates will correct at least some of the catastrophic policies of the current administration. But only one could change the entire way we make tough choices as a nation and that would propogate well in to the next generation. IMO, that candidate is Obama.
McCain's strongest asset is trust. He has come to represent America's public conscience by refusing to participate in his own party's scorched earth politics aimed at the Clinton presidency nor in the bait-and-switch politics of the neo-cons. Unlike Hillary and Obama, he has had to fight his own party to take the moral high ground on torture, fiscal discipline and immigration amnesty. And he offers a 100 year resolve in our war-on-terror that defies the majority of Americans but provides the reassurance of a consistency none-the-less. More than policy or prescription, America hungers most for a president it can trust and en-trust to carry on its legacy.
Like McCain, Obama has conciously taken positions that are unpopular but very principled in hind-sight. On the Iraq vote in 2002, while Obama acknowledged that Saddam Hussen was a “bad guy,” he also pointed out, “Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States or to his neighbors. ...I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. Occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences..” These statements were made when the Senate had overwhelmingly passed a resolution authorizing President Bush to wage war. Ironically, both McCain and Obama establish trust with completely opposite positions.

Unlike, McCain, Obama also offers a personal vulnerability that begs to be attacked. He offers long, qualified answers that can be easily taken out of context by our sound-bite media, he searches for the right words during debates and he corrects himself when he has made a mistake. Sometimes, he is attacked for this but mostly it raises mutual trust and improves the dialog. Peggy Noonan, the Reagan-Bush speechwriter, calls him "thoughtful" and praises his "classy campaign." George Will, the columnist and television pundit, describes him as "an adult aiming to reform the real world rather than an adolescent fantasizing mock-heroic 'fights' against fictitious villains in a left-wing cartoon version of this country." Peter Wehner, the former Bush White House aide, calls Obama "a well-grounded, thoughtful, decent man" whom Republicans "would find it hard to generate much enthusiasm in opposing." While I am no fan of George Will or Peter Wehner, Obama has the capacity to build trust and dialog well beyond the democratic base.


I will never (and I do mean NEVER) become a McCain follower.


Obama shows why he is the candidate best suited to be President. Hillary and McCain offer more of the same. Any one who trusts hillary might want to think again. Hillary voted for the war when it was popular. She refuses to acknowledge her mistake, and now says, "if I could make that decision again, I would vote against the war." Well, guess what, even a 2 year old knows HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY/TWENTY. She didn't have the guts, the judgment, nor the experience to make the right decision when it counted. Do you want a president that says "oops, I'd vote differently if I could do it again, BUT, I made no mistake."

And as for all the fuss she made out of Obama's comment about Reagon, only Hillary can pull that one off. Her website still says Reagan was one of her most admired presidents, yet bashed Obama for weeks for his comment.

Fired up! Ready to go! Check out Obama's website for a new America.


Barack Obama shows again why he has the judgment to lead this nation. Hillary voted for the war in Iraq and now wants a do-over without saying it was a mistake. She voted against the Levin Amendment, which would have made the military last resort. And she motivates Republicans like no other candidate.


Obama is clearly the voice of a new generation, so refreshing when compared to the same stale arguments from the Bushes and Clintons.


The Truth about Hillary Clinton
-------------------------------------
- has refused to disclose tax returns until after the nomination yet touts campaign transparency
- has refused to disclose documents outlining her activity as first lady even though she counts her 8 years in the white house as part of her "35 years of experience"
- has raised more money from special interest groups than any candidate (including republicans) yet says she will somehow revamp the role special interest groups play in washington
- voted for the iraq war and then said she would pull out of the war and blames bush.
- she voted for a 2001 bankruptcy bill that hurt working class people and yet said in a debate she hoped "it wouldn't pass". A classic example of special interest paybacks
- she claims members of the National Guard and military Reserve didn't have health insurance until she and a GOP colleague took action. In fact, active-duty Guard and Reserve troops already were covered by federal insurance, and four out of five non-active-duty guardsmen and reservists already were covered by their civilian employers or other sources
- her brother, Hugh Rodham, pocketed $400,000 (which was returned) from people who later received pardons from your husband. At the time, you claimed that you had not discussed those pardons with your brother or your husband beforehand. Is that true?
- during the Clinton Administration, Craig Livingstone, the Director of the White House Office of Personnel Security, improperly looked through the FBI files of hundreds of your political enemies. There are allegations that you got Livingstone hired, that he went through those files on your orders, and that you also read some of those files. Are any of those allegations true?

My question for Hillary supporters...how long can you blame conservative conspiracies for Clinton unethical behavior?

McCain and Obama are much better candidates....seek the truth.


OUR HUCKABEE IS SWEEPING THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE LIKE MIKE WE LIKE MIKE WE LIKE MIKE
WE LIKE MIKE WE LIKE MIKE WE LIKE MIKE
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WE LIKE MIKE WE LIKE MIKE WE LIKE MIKE
WE LIKE MIKE WE LIKE MIKE WE LIKE MIKE

GO HUCKABEE!!!!!!


Obama is a great speaker and he can get the crowd energized but can he explain how he will handle a recession, how he will find money to replace the military equipment that is lost, or simply worn out. How is he going to address the fact that our nation is vulnerable to attack and we have no stateside ready forces to defend the nation. In other words great rousing speeches are just empty words without experience.


Fire away Barack!

I don't care what the polls say, McCain is going to get destroyed in the general election because of his insane warmongering and lack of knowledge on anything and everything to do with the economy.

John McCain: Less Jobs, More War.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqtL-P8kzo


While John Mccain was serving this nation 50 years ago, Senator Bot Wondwer was nothing but a dream to his dad.


The only thing emptier than Obama's suit is Obama's rhetoric.

So the reader won't have to wade through his empty rhetoric, here's the Cliff's Notes version of any Obama talk:

"blah blah blah Change blah blah blah New blah blah blah Unite yada yada yada Inspiration yada yada yada New..." Repeat this a dozen times.


While John Mccain was serving this nation 50 years ago, Senator Bot Wondwer was nothing but a dream to his dad.

Posted by: Terry | February 9, 2008 11:08 PM


TrickleDown Terry,

You even spell like a Republican know-nothing.

What happened?, I would have thought that "no child left behind" would have worked out better for you.


McCain was busy graduating 790th out of 795 in his class and then setting a Naval record by crashing 5 test planes during his Navel training when Obama was young.

McCain is just as inept and dumb as Bush and if it wasn't for his Daddy's influence he would have never even been accepted into Annapolis in the first place.

What is it with you dumb Rethuglicans? why can't you ever find anyone with even half of a functioning brain to lead your party?


terry, mccain served a total of 20 hours of combat service in vietnam. some grunts on the ground served over 7000 hours of service while mccain was crashing plane after plane, a total of five times. he is also a third generation silver spoon punk who got mediocre grades, dated strippers, admitted wasting his youth and still managed to ascend the political ladder, compliments of his last name. sound familiar? he will also continue bush's poorly weighted tax cuts and failed wars. and bomb iran. he's also been in the senate long enough to be on both sides of every issue, so which john mccain are you going to waste your vote on?


Obama will never be able to stand on the same stage with McCain and win.

Obama does not have the consistency in his positions or the humility about his own service. Obama is too full of himself and his credentials are vaporware.

If it comes down to Obama vs. McCain, the vast majority of Americans will choose McCain. Progressives are fooling themselves with a collective power fantasy that they can throw away centrist strategy and substantive experience and still win. The biggest irony is perhaps that Obama's less progressive than Hillary.



The vast majority of Americans will vote for McCain over the green pea, wussy, socialist, muslim Obama.
Barack's father should have taught him to show respect to his elders and to war hero's, but his father bolted the scene (Hmmmm, sound familiar?) even before Barack was schooled at the madrassa in Jakarta.
This election will be a slam dunk for Republicans [if] Obama beats out B.J. Clinton's wife.

Paulo


MARVIN JONES all politicians do is vote to pass bills and occasionally Introduce them

So when you ask what Obama has done the answer is vote wisely by endorsing what works or makes sense which is all he needs to do really. Other than that he has come up with sound Ideas to change the way our government has been functioning.

What has Hillary Clinton done?
Well she voted very Unwise.
She said and I quote "I can support the president, I can support an action against Sadam Husane because i think its in the long term interest of our national security."
(And then she has the nerve to say Obama said he agrees with Ronald Reagan politics (which he didn't. (but if you believe otherwise you truly are not living in reality.

She also said "In the four years since the National inspectors left Sadam Husane has worked to rebuild his chemical & biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability & his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort & sanctuary to terrorist Including Al Qaeda.". All of which was proven not only inaccurate but to be a blatant lie.

Look I'm a Democrat to the core & If Clinton is all I had to vote for "Well then" thats who I'd would normally vote for. But in this rare Instance If it comes down to Mcane and Hillary I must say I honestly see Mcane as having More Integrity & seemingly being more capable of making choices that will help America than Clinton.

However since Obama has clearly proven Time and time again that he has superior judgment & the fact he's a democrat thats what should cout the most to everybody. "Besides" don't forget that even tho Bill Clinton did stop our national debt from growing while he was in office he did it by selling weapons stock piles to the very people we are fighting now. (just one more example of the Clinton's lack of good judgment) But I won't hold that too hard against him however what I will hold against him is Monica (oooh what an Fugly thing to get mixed up with), The fact he got Impeached, his recent stamens all show clearly this the man as well as his wife (getting cough on tape breaking the law ( look up Clinton Stan Lee scandal) all prove to me that the Clintons have developed a taste for dishonesty.


John McCain will easly beat obama, and once the Republican machine get behind McCain, obama won't have a chance. It's though the democratic party has'nt learned it's lessions from the previous elections.


In defense of the great John McCain, I do not believe he was advocating a 100 year war, I believe he was relating to South Korea and Germany, where we still are 50 and 60 plus years ex post facto.


The boos were not because Obama denounced McCain's 100 years in Iraq statement. The boos were directed at McCain's statement.


McCain needs to rev up the base. It's time to bring out....Gays. There is nothing like a little gay bashing to rev up those Christians. Maybe they could bring up John Phelps and his crew to do a little barn storming together.


I sometimes wonder about people in general who are hard core republicians. At what point do you look at the substance of that party and where there country is going with there leadership. No matter what party I was with I would not support every decision and bill that they through in front of me if it wasn't for the benefit of my country but it seems no matter what people will still vote for a republician candiate. I say look at this country we are at war people we are spending billions and billions of dollars. We need new leadership to make some serious changes.Why don't you get it.....


Math Whiz,

While you busy honing your secretarial skills in school, I was learning math. Remember 2 X 0 does not equal 1.

From family experience, graduating the service academies is much touigher than graduating any other 4 year college in the country - including the Ivies. The rigors that those young men and woman go thru isn't quite the same as getting stoned in some quad.

Senator McCain was serving while Senator Hope was dodging parking tickets.


wow terry, you sure are a math genius with those multiplication skills. have you advanced to long division yet? when you get there, you will learn that graduating 790 out of 795 puts you in the bottom one percentile of your class. graduating magna cum laude from harvard law puts you in the top one percentile. there is no comparison to the educational backgrounds of mccain and obama.
to try and equate the two, you prove you really are good at math, the fuzzy kind.


McCain is to scary to be President.Might even be CRAZY!

I know this to be true because KKK Karl and the Bush/Cheney team told us this in 2000.

What's changed?


Crud,

As I stated above, the rigors of the service academies as compared to the Ivies isn't even close. Yes, the academics are both tough, but guess who has the tougher life outside the classroom. Also, which schools do you think builds better character in individuals?

P.S. - the moniker is appropriate


ter, mccain is a lazy, spoiled, white suburban and highly priviledged rich kid that has only gotten anywhere in life because of his daddy and grandpappy. he managed to ride his family name into the naval academy where he graduated at the pitiful bottom of his class. obama is a black man from a broken family with no advantage whatsoever. he managed to graduate magna cum laude at harvard law and was the first african american president of harvard's law review. he could have walked into any fortune 500 company of his choosing and be sitting on tens of millions in salary and stock options at this point. instead, he got involved in his church (christian) and was a highly successful community activist on the south side of chicago. and you want to discuss character? mcfloppy has reversed his position on every major issue, which if you've been paying attention, his own party has taken notice. would you like to discuss mcstraighttalk's love of strippers? the keating five? nevermind, none of that means anything about a person's character because the silverspoon's priviledged education consisted of getting up early, running a few miles and doing some sit ups before he skipped class.
yeah, i know, rezko, rezko, rezko......

p.s. terry is a girl's name


Crud,

McCain's stay in Jane Fonda's Hanoi was just a picnic. As far as time at the academy and the subsequent five year service committment, I would dare you to go thru the training, especially the SERE training that many of the naval officers go thru - I don't think that Harvard lawyers could handle that "pampered" lifestyle.

If you think life at the academies is just "getting up early, running a few miles and doing some sit ups" - you have another thing coming

Since you opened the door on Obama's Christian church - I don't think many Christian churches would pay tribute to a racist such as Louie Farrakhan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083.html

TerrI is a girls's name, while Crud is piece of S**t.


Bush’s big boo-boo has become McCain’s Hundred Years War.

Candidate McCain has said we could stay in Iraq for 100 years.

This is reminiscent of The Hundred Years’ War n the 14th and 15th centuries which was a rivalry between two dynasties. The Plantagenets and The House of Valois.

Why should the sons and daughters of America and the people of the Middle East have to die so America can keep being run by dynasties?

This is time to elect a president who did not vote for the War in Iraq which McCain would turn into A Hundred Year’s War.

It is time for change.

It is time for Sen. Barack Obama to be President of The United States of America.

God bless The United States of America !


Crud,

As a graduate of USNA, I can vouch not only for how tough it is but also for the character of the individuals who not only get accepted there, and the other military acadamies, but also those that graduate.

I have a friend who graduated last in our class. I will match him up against the best that other schools have to offer.

As to McCain crashing a few planes, you ever try to fly an airplane, yet alone fly one in combat as you are being shot at and then try to land on an aircraft carrier in the pitch black of night in lousy weather with a ship rocking and rolling in heavy seas better than any band ever has?

You ever spend even one day in simualted captivity let alone 5 years? I went through SERE school and it is nothing like real captivity but it is more than you have ever been through. I endured the equivalent of waterboarding. It ain't no picnic!

So before you go ripping McCain's or any veteran's service, I would suggest that you go find a few war veterans and talk to them about their experiences. Then just thank them and walk away ever grateful for what they did to protect your freedoms!


As to McCain crashing a few planes, you ever try to fly an airplane, yet alone fly one in combat as you are being shot at and then try to land on an aircraft carrier in the pitch black of night in lousy weather with a ship rocking and rolling in heavy seas better than any band ever has?

Posted by: NAVYFLYER | February 10, 2008 11:07 PM


Yes, McCain SET A RECORD for crashing planes in navy traning because HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED IN THE FIRST PLACE, aren't you listening to what crud is saying?

You can wave your flag for McCain as much as you want but in reality the guy is dumber than a pile of bricks and he has an anger management problem.

The man makes Dick Cheney look like a choir boy.


Crud,

Terry is part of the 24% head in the sand gang.
Pounding your head against the wall is what passes for common sense with those GOPer's.

Here's Terry's Republic Party photo id card:
http://photobucket.com/mediadetail/?media=http%3A%2F%2Fi96.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl167%2Fsupermom523%2Fouch.jpg&searchTerm=pull%20your%20head%20out&pageOffset=0


gosh ter, you're sure sensitive to mccain's lousy character. and since you give so much weight to the question of character, isn't a person's personal life equally telling of their own character? mcpantsdown has admitted that his first marriage ended after his own infidelity. and to make things better, he married another silverspoon half his age who happened to be a drug addict who stole pain killers from her own charity. oh, and her father and her were the largest investors ($350,000) in the keating shopping center, the "sweatheart deal". mccharacter also used to send birthday cards to "bananas" bonano, the head of the bonano crime family who had retired to arizona. and he's a baptist! or episcopalian, depending on the day of the week, who he is talking to or if he's taken his medication.
so we have a priviledged son of wealth and power who barely graduated from college, enjoys the company of strippers, was restricted from flying after crashing five airplanes, spent a whopping 20 hours of combat duty in vietnam, cheated on his first wife and married a drug addicted trophy theif half his age with ties to racketeers for his second, has lied about his own religion, can't remember what side he is supposed to be on for every major issue, laughed when a supporter referred to senator clinton as a "beatch", and we can all thank the great academies for their character building?
the application from the bottom one percent from the naval academy doesn't get thrown in the garbage in the admissions office at harvard. it gets pinned to a bulletin board for the admissions officers to have something to laugh about between considering serious candidates.

p.s. crud is a stud. sere training would be a paintball game.


navflyer, i took your advice and found some veterans for you. you can find them at:

www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

hopefully my last post will go through so you can see the "character" your alma mater produced. and thank you for your service, this is not about your or other veterans, it's about the lying, pandering flopping fool that is running for president.


The vast majority of Americans will vote for McCain over the green pea, wussy, socialist, muslim Obama.
Barack's father should have taught him to show respect to his elders and to war hero's, but his father bolted the scene (Hmmmm, sound familiar?) even before Barack was schooled at the madrassa in Jakarta.
This election will be a slam dunk for Republicans [if] Obama beats out B.J. Clinton's wife.

Posted by: Paulo | February 10, 2008 1:57 AM

Paulo, your racist rants are a waste of space.

First of all, you want respect?

“I greatly respect Sen. McCain’s half-century of service to this nation,” Obama said.

There, Obama showed respect, but then, as a good candidate does, outlined his differences with McCain. I see nowhere that Obama was disrespectful.

Secondly, Obama has said time and time again that he is a Christian. And it has been proven that, while it was a Muslim school, it was not a "Madrassa". But if you like to allow your delusional hatred and fearmongering to play with your mind, go right ahead.

Lastly, I think it shows great strength and courage for a man to rise to a position Obama has put himself in despite his father not being around. And what do you mean "sounds familiar"? Bill Clinton? His biological father was killed in a car accident 3 months before he was born. His step-fatehr was an alcoholic who beat his mother. Your comment makes it seem as if your blaming the chid that their father's were a couple of losers.

You are scum, Paulo.


The above exchange is hilarious. Does anybody find it convenient that Terry gets backed into the corner about John McCain's service record and educational background and suddenly, 30 posts into the debate, somebody called "NAVFLYER" appears out of nowhere, has been through SERE training and has a friend that graduated at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy? I seem to recall another poster around here who would conveniently morph into an alter-ego every time he was pinned to the mat. What was his name again?...oh yeah, Jeff, or Bill, or Robert and a host of other imaginary friends.

Terry, are you NAVFLYER?

Regardless, crud is right about McCain. A lousy student with no morals who shifts in the wind on every issue.


Crud IS NOT a "stud" but is a pud puller.

Your facts are totally inaccurate. McCain had a 22 or 23 total missions in Vietnam before he crashed and was captured. If you know anything, which I doubt, about flying combat missions, they last much more than an hour. So your statement of 20 combat hours is a lie!

For those of you who said that he crashed 5 airplanes going through flight school, where did you find such garbage? He crashed one when his engine quit on final approach. He had an engine flameout during a flight over VA. and had to eject. While on the USS Forrestal, he was awaiting launch when a rocket shot across the flight deck, struck his aircraft and exploded. That is NOT his accident. That killed 132 sailors in a massive fire.

What you don't know is how dangerous flying navy jets on aircraft carriers is. It is consistently rated as one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. And now it is much safer due to technological improvements and improved training than it was back then.

So Crud the Pud Puller, get your facts right before you start spounting your stupidity!


Bubba Butt, NAVYFLYER is NOT Terry!! I have almost 3,000 flight hours and several tours aboard aircraft carriers. I have survived a few engine explosions and many emergency landings. Ask me any flight question you want.

So Bubba, who is your "character" candidate. Hillary? If so, watch this link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019

If it is Asama Obama, then watch the Rezko developments.


If it is Asama Obama, then watch the Rezko developments.

Posted by: NAVYFLYER | February 11, 2008 12:37 PM


I can tell from your language that you are not nor have you ever been a NAVYFLYER!


McCain Loan Could Violate Donor Privacy
http://www.politico.com:80/news/stories/0108/7837.html

McLame's Immigration Insanity
http://www.borderfirereport.net:80/letters-from-readers/mclames-immigration-insanity.html

Video: Liebs says McCain did not support amnesty for illegal aliens
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/05/video-liebs-says-mccain-did-not-support-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens

McCain: "We Are Not Going To Build Fences And Barriers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5G3kH1PvvU

Tom DeLay Disses McCain, Calls New Hampshire Win ‘A Blip’
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com:80/2008/01/09/tom-delay-disses-mccain-calls-new-hampshire-win-a-blip/

John McCain and Our Second Amendment
http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm

John McCain's Skeleton Closet
http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm#keating

The Conservative Case Against McCain
http://thenextprez.blogspot.com/2005/12/conservative-case-against-mccain.html

A Vote For McCain Is A Vote For Amnesty, Open Borders and Never Building A Fence
http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/01/a_vote_for_john_mccain_is_a_vo.php

#%&@# You McCain's Unstable Temper Raises More Doubt from Arizona News ( This site will not post actual title. Search Arizona News for John McCain. It's worth the effort to find it. )

Conservative Group Campaigns Against McCain: He's No Ronald Reagan
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Conservative_group_campaigns_again_McCain_Hes_0301.html

Former Senator Rick Santorum sees a lot of problems with John McCain's credentials
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=e96c3803-c542-4a57-98bd-68635a744540&comments=true

John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/30/123006.shtml

John McCain's Record of Economic Issues
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/03/arizona_senator_john_mccains_t.php

McCain Would Vote Against The Bush Tax Cuts All Over Again
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/301ccb6c-32b0-4ba7-8330-68d560f67dd8

McCains Stand On Detainees May Pose Risk For 2008 Bid
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801353.html

Democrats Contributed Heavily To McCain's Effort in District 11 Election
http://www.azconservative.org/McCain_Discord.htm

The Conservative Case Against Huckabee And McCain
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/019929f6-5799-479e-a86b-e2e2601330ab


McCain Walks Into Conservative Clothesline
http://www.baltimoregroupblog.com/2007/03/19/mccain-walks-into-conservative-clothes-line/

John McCain Is No Hero
http://www.usvetdsp.com/bengmcan.htm

U.S. Senator John McCain Is No War Hero
http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_mccain_is_no_war_hero.htm

Flashback: The Real John McCain
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/43aba933-6972-4a36-a25f-a2973e69e4ee

Wife of POW Navy Pilot, Who Had Husband's Remains Sent Home By North Vietnamese in 1989, Was Lied to by U.S. Officials For Years About His Whereabouts And POW Status
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/31-oct-2005.html

Defending America by David Hackworth
http://www.hackworth.com/25jan00.html

IT'S TIME TO GIVE THE U.S. ARMY A GOOD SHAKE
http://www.hackworth.com/19nov01.html

Why Vietnam Vets Split on McCain
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_12_16/ai_61487324

Luck Of The Admiral's Son Not For "Grunts"
http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm

ARIZONA'S JOHN McCAIN: A Fraud, "Rhinestone Hero," and National Security Risk
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/mccain.html

MSNBC questions McCain's temper; Reporter says McCain vexes Senate colleagues
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/MSNBC_Does_McCains_temper_hurt_presidential_0707.html


So Crud the Pud Puller, get your facts right before you start spounting your stupidity!

Posted by: NAVYFLYER | February 11, 2008 12:30 PM


Goodluck defending this, FlyBoy:


McCain Loan Could Violate Donor Privacy
http://www.politico.com:80/news/stories/0108/7837.html

McLame's Immigration Insanity
http://www.borderfirereport.net:80/letters-from-readers/mclames-immigration-insanity.html

Video: Liebs says McCain did not support amnesty for illegal aliens
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/05/video-liebs-says-mccain-did-not-support-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens

McCain: "We Are Not Going To Build Fences And Barriers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5G3kH1PvvU

Tom DeLay Disses McCain, Calls New Hampshire Win ‘A Blip’
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com:80/2008/01/09/tom-delay-disses-mccain-calls-new-hampshire-win-a-blip/

John McCain and Our Second Amendment
http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm

John McCain's Skeleton Closet
http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm#keating

The Conservative Case Against McCain
http://thenextprez.blogspot.com/2005/12/conservative-case-against-mccain.html

A Vote For McCain Is A Vote For Amnesty, Open Borders and Never Building A Fence
http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/01/a_vote_for_john_mccain_is_a_vo.php

#%&@# You McCain's Unstable Temper Raises More Doubt from Arizona News ( This site will not post actual title. Search Arizona News for John McCain. It's worth the effort to find it. )

Conservative Group Campaigns Against McCain: He's No Ronald Reagan
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Conservative_group_campaigns_again_McCain_Hes_0301.html

Former Senator Rick Santorum sees a lot of problems with John McCain's credentials
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/Transcript.aspx?ContentGuid=e96c3803-c542-4a57-98bd-68635a744540&comments=true

John McCain's Temper Preceded Vietnam
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/30/123006.shtml

John McCain's Record of Economic Issues
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/03/arizona_senator_john_mccains_t.php

McCain Would Vote Against The Bush Tax Cuts All Over Again
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/301ccb6c-32b0-4ba7-8330-68d560f67dd8

McCains Stand On Detainees May Pose Risk For 2008 Bid
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801353.html

Democrats Contributed Heavily To McCain's Effort in District 11 Election
http://www.azconservative.org/McCain_Discord.htm

The Conservative Case Against Huckabee And McCain
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/019929f6-5799-479e-a86b-e2e2601330ab


McCain Walks Into Conservative Clothesline
http://www.baltimoregroupblog.com/2007/03/19/mccain-walks-into-conservative-clothes-line/

John McCain Is No Hero
http://www.usvetdsp.com/bengmcan.htm

U.S. Senator John McCain Is No War Hero
http://www.namvets.com/Reading/john_mccain_is_no_war_hero.htm

Flashback: The Real John McCain
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/43aba933-6972-4a36-a25f-a2973e69e4ee

Wife of POW Navy Pilot, Who Had Husband's Remains Sent Home By North Vietnamese in 1989, Was Lied to by U.S. Officials For Years About His Whereabouts And POW Status
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/31-oct-2005.html

Defending America by David Hackworth
http://www.hackworth.com/25jan00.html

IT'S TIME TO GIVE THE U.S. ARMY A GOOD SHAKE
http://www.hackworth.com/19nov01.html

Why Vietnam Vets Split on McCain
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_12_16/ai_61487324

Luck Of The Admiral's Son Not For "Grunts"
http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm

ARIZONA'S JOHN McCAIN: A Fraud, "Rhinestone Hero," and National Security Risk
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/mccain.html

MSNBC questions McCain's temper; Reporter says McCain vexes Senate colleagues
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/MSNBC_Does_McCains_temper_hurt_presidential_0707.html


Sorry boys, NAVYFLYER is not Terry. While NAVYFLYER was posting I was getting a good night rest for another day of capitalism (something I know most of you despise). Also, unlike you unemployed folks (Bubba, John E, Crud?), I work for during the day, so since the there were additional posts during, its just further evidence.

I think NAVYFLYER just shot down all your theories about how easy the service acadamies are and your theories are about Senator McCain's military abilities.

Why don't you move to San Fran or Berkeley, you will fit right in where those towns dispise the military.

All the trashing you are doing of McCain about strippers - I'll bet he'll keep them out of the White House.


Why don't you move to San Fran or Berkeley, you will fit right in where those towns dispise the military.

All the trashing you are doing of McCain about strippers - I'll bet he'll keep them out of the White House.

Posted by: Terry | February 11, 2008 6:49 PM


Scary Terry,

What's wrong with San Fran and Berkeley?

Why do you hate America, Trickledown Boy?

Are you a fascist?
http://www.bushflash.com/14.html

That's today's Wingnut (Terry) for ya, if you won't jump on board of their hate train they want you dead...


wow, name calling and racist undertones from navyflyer. more of that great character building compliments of the academies.

thanks terry for coming back to add absolutely nothing to the debate. looks like marine and john e did the homework for me while i was standing in the unemployment line today. you should read every one of their attachments, formulate an informed opinion and debate the facts they laid out. otherwise, you are an empty suit with nothing substantial to add. typical of a poorly informed junior capitalist like yourself.


Trickled On:

Better questio - why does Berkley and San Fran hate our military?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/07/berkeley.protests/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/09/AR2005110900365.html

Turd:

I think NAVYFLYER said it all. I've seen Trickled On (John E's) links before - not much there.

As far as those from MARINE, It shows all the problems the conservatives have McCain - nothing I haven't seen.

You in the unemployment line - no shock there.

As far as "Asama Obama" - that's what Teddy "the diver" Kennedy calls him anyway.

http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2007/20071024142256.aspx

And according to this the press spells it Asama

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080113040116AA71ow6

We'll let the Math Whiz do the calculus.


Terri,

You have concluded that somebody who posts during the day must be unemployed?

You should get one of those important jobs where they let you have a fancy typing machine at your desk.

Nice to see you back though. Hey, where did NAVYFLYER go?


NAVYFLYER IS NOT TERRY OR JEFF. HE IS RESIDENT COMEDIAN, JOHN D.

BUT THE OBVIOUS PATTERN OF POOR GRAMMAR AMONGST ALL THREE DOES MAKE IT CONFUSING.


oh, is this rich. terry, in his mindless rant, forgets to check which posting name he wants to use and blasts away defending the use of "asama", as presented by NAVYFLYER!!!!!!

ter, you are so busted. go back to pretending you were in the military. i'd love to see you describe how an aircraft carrier actually rocks and rolls. lmao

hey, tell us again about your friend from the naval academy.

p.s. i believe it is actually a crime to impersonate a member of the military.


Since the SWAMP didn't post this on Monday - I'll try again.

Trickled ON - rephrase your question - why does San Fran and Berkley hate America

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162214,00.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/07/berkeley.protests/

Crud - what you have added is hardly Mensa material. As far as John E's attachments - I've read his stuff before and he adds nothing. Marine's is just a regurgitation of the reasons why the conservatives do not like McCain (I agree with much of it), but he is definitely better than HillBilly or Senator Boy Wonder.


having voted both sides of the coin, I think Obama is the best candidate for us right now, I believe he can help our image abroad and help get our economy on track. Mc Cain is a good senator, was a great soldier, but he is along the lines of Bush, he is not very bright. We would be getting more of the same politics with Mc Cain, our childrens future is at stake, we are the United States of America let us unite around the best candidate and that being Barack Obama


Obama is not only a Socialist, who wants Americans to hand over their hard earned cash, in a grandiose scheme to redistribute America's wealth ... he spent 20 years listening to the anti-American, racist sermons of black liberation pastor Jeremiah Wright, which were based upon Marxist ideology ... along with his wife and two children ... and they still attend the same church, listening to the same anti-American trash!


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