When Hillary debates Hillary, guess who wins?

The PERFECT debate? The one Rolling Stone wanted Michael Moore to moderate--bring back Dennis (Kucinich) and and John (Edwards) so that poor people and the middle class will be adequately represented. And invite Hilary and Barack also.

The sixty minutes interview was typical Clinton. The difference between Obama and Clinton is not really about programs or plans, it is about leadership. Clinton feels experience is the best measure of leadership and being there taking heat makes her best able to take more heat.

Obama believes leadership is about vision, about his ability to work with others, about making decisions based on moral guidance.

Which kind of leader do you want, one with lots of experience who others dislike alot and attack alot? Or, a leader with a vision of where we need to go in the future and how to get us there by working with others. The choice is all ours. Go for it.

I break into a laugh every time I see hillary say, "I've been vetted." --That word has been around for years, but apparently hillary just discovered it, -judging by the number of times she has repeated it in the last few weeks. Perhaps she thinks it makes her sound very intelligent and confident. To the contrary, it belies her shrewd, calculated persona developed for the express purpose of wooing less-informed citizens. I truly wish more people could see through her.

The only thing that matches the cynicism and Machiavellian nature of the
plan to put team Billary back in the white house (or is it HillBilly now?)
was Karl Rove’s plan to install Dubya. However, standing near a the leader
doesn’t prove you can lead. And, unfortunately if you inherit the
infrastructure of the dear leader, it’s hard for the people to evaluate
what’s you and what’s the machine. Hillary could easily be as big a failure
as Dubya who’s path to the presidency she would have more in common with
than Bill’s. She might have the judgment necessary to be in command hidden
in there but it’s impossible to measure — she hasn’t stood on her own for
many decades. Thinking the machine can be president is the same flawed view
that allowed Dubya to slip in.

Personal judgment is what counts - you can’t ride coat tails to command. You either have it in yourself or you don’t. Clinton hasn’t shown it. Obama has. McCain has.

It’s either Obama08 or it’s McCain08 then Obama12.

Hillary pulled out the MSNBC "pimped" comment yet again to get sympathy points for herself, complaining that FOX treats her better than mean ol' MSNBC.

When will Clinton realize that we're trying to elect a president, not a victim?

Well. There's a palpable "in your face" giddiness among the Obama folks these days. Packers vs. the Bears, almost. He's doing quite well, I must say. And oh, how the behavior of his supporters so metaphorically parallel Obama's arrogance as a result.

Remember though, upwards of 40% of Democrats still support Hillary, and he'll need that support -- if he does beat her -- in the general. But here's one vote he definitely won't get -- and one vote McCain definitely will get.

So you may want to chill the attitude a bit, lest you turn significant others off to the Messiah.

Obama has released his financial records. Why won't Clinton? What's she hiding?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?ex=1359435600&en=23a4d96223965ebf&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

Blah, blah, blah! What would make Clinton a good nominee is simply being straightforward with the voters. What's the big deal about showing her taxes? Why do I have to vote for her first, before seeing for myself where her money comes from? She either doesn't realize that there is a real option in Obama or she has no choice but hiding whatever she is hiding.

Hillary will win the nomination. The truth about Obama will soon surface. He has no credentials, Oprah thinks he's her VP and he thinks he's the messiah that can save washington.

pjw:

I don't know if you're aware of this, but Hillary gets along very well with her Republican colleagues in the Senate. She's not as divisive as you might think. As for Obama's leadership, let me ask you this. Why did he vote "present" so many times instead of taking a stand on hard issues when he was in the Illinois Senate? Being wishy washy is not leadership.

What a vicious paper and vicious readership. As a Canadian keenly interested in your election, I have been reading various articles online. I am utterly amazed at the internecine fighting of Democrats. Why all this hate for Hillary Clinton? Why all this love for Barack Obama? Is politics really a popularity contest? "We are the change we seek". So, more direct democracy is going to solve the problems? What's the political theory behind THAT? A very entertaining time in US politics. I'm glad that I can observe it safely from the other side of the border.

Obama does not want to debate because debates require a complete grasp of the issues which Obama does not have. Remember that we voted in our current president and Reagan because they were likable and had vision and proved that you did not have to have any grasp on the issues. However, I prefer my President to be intelligent, hard-working, and competent.

And, since when does a 27 y/o, Oxford educated woman need her mama to defend her? Has Chelsea become mute? Oh, wait. I forgot! She's capable of making phone calls, so I guess not. The desperation is becoming palpable in the Billary camp.

For those who are upset about Hillary Clinton having the opportunity to answer questions on ABC "without Barach being there to press her," I would counter by saying that Obama WAS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE. He declined possibly because he realizes that he is not as knowledgeable on the issues as Hillary Clinton is and he doesn't want to take the chance of being shown up. It might damage his "charisma."

Obama's only hope is that he will win the nomination before the nation discovers that he does not have the record or the experience to go toe to toe with McCain.

I like Obama personally but I wouldn't want to risk the future of this country on a "new face." Let's give this COMMUTING senator a few years and see if he becomes experienced enough to trust him with the presidency.

I am sick of Hillary trying to place the sweet, innocent child who is always picked on in the schoolyard. She and the rest of her campaign including Bill underestimated Obama's will to fight and now has momentum in the race for the White House. Her former campaign manager thought that they would have it wrapped up after Super Tuesday. We they didn't she had to be let go. Hillary's campaign is in need, she had to loan $5 million to help get things back going. So if she becomes president and the nation is in need will she be able to lend it money out of her pocket? The problems we face in america today is because poor leadership, horrible organizational skills, and blunt mismanagement of money by George Bush. Electing Hillary seems to me that we would have more of the same. Hats off to Obama! Continue to prove everyone wrong.

I wanted to watch a two-fer: Bill and Hillary together.

Bill could have argued why the job of President is CEO, and Hillary could have argued COO. That's what they've said separately, so it would have been enlightening to watch them 'take advice' from each other.

"Why did he vote "present" so many times instead of taking a stand on hard issues when he was in the Illinois Senate? "

Sometimes, as with the abortion votes the Clinton camp keeps trying to extract and spin, because it was part of a larger strategy to get a result--preserving safe and legal abortion--by working with moderates. Sometimes, because as a Constitutional law professor he thought the bill had a problem with it, and voted "present" as a matter of principle, even when the bill was passing overwhelmingly and just going with the flow would be politically expedient. And he has 1000s of yes and no votes you can examine.

As a Democrat I ask you to please vote for a person that will be our proud represenative of hte Democratic Party.
Make our one chance to show the public how wrong the Republicans have been when they reached the highest office. How their decisions harmed our credentials in the world.
I ask you to hire a seasoned person that understands where we have been in history and how we must make history good for all people. Please elect Hillary R Clinton.

Why the infighting? The Clintons started it by attacking Obama for an essay he wrote in the THIRD GRADE.

Interesting to see how this will pan out,

I think that Rush is right, no matter who wins Hillary will be the nominee.

THe leaders of the party, the supers, will tell the people, "Now that you have spoken, shut up and we will tell you what you said"

Cool!