An Easter Break question: Can Hillary Clinton win?: The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted March 22, 2008 10:57 AM
The Swamp

By Jim Tankersley

The Democratic presidential candidates are taking a long-overdue break from the campaign trail this weekend, just in time for Easter. Hillary Clinton is home in New York. Barack Obama is set, after an event in southern Oregon today, to embark on a mini-vacation to … somewhere.

We'll take this opportunity to reassess the race. In particular: Who's going to win?

It just so happens that a flock of journalists, analysts and bloggers have weighed in this week on that very question. Very roughly, they break into two camps: those who believe Clinton has a "path" to the Democratic nomination, and those who believe she has almost no hope left.

Leading the way for the latter camp are Jim Vandehei and Mike Allen of Politico. "One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race," they write in a piece published yesterday. "Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning."

On the other side, Jay Cost of the RealClearPolitics.com "HorseRaceBlog". This week, he laid out what he called a "plausible, but unlikely, path to the nomination for Clinton."

Both sides generally agree on the parameters of the debate: that Obama appears almost certain to end the primary season with more pledged delegates than Clinton; that he appears likely, particularly in light of developments this week that make do-over votes in Florida and Michigan appear next-to-impossible, to finish with a lead in the overall popular vote from the combined primaries and caucuses; and that to secure the nomination, Clinton will need to win over a huge chunk of the remaining uncommitted "superdelegates."

The big disagreement is whether Clinton could conceivably pull off a superdelegate-fueled victory even if she trails in pledged delegates and popular votes.

Jay Cost says she could. His reasoning rests on the notion that Clinton can win over superdelegates with an argument that she is the "legitimate" nominee.

He notes that there are "many ways" to count the popular vote in the primaries – for example, by including Michigan and Florida's tallies even if their delegates aren't on track to be seated at the Democratic National Convention. Clinton could argue that she's winning the most legitimate count of those votes.

"Come back to win a popular vote total, and use that to persuade the super delegates. That's her angle," Cost writes. "I think it is a tough one, but I don't think it is impossible. I can imagine him ending the race by winning big in North Carolina - but I can also see her winning big in Pennsylvania, keeping it close in North Carolina and winning big in Indiana (held on the same day). That would leave Kentucky, West Virginia, Puerto Rico, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota. There is promising terrain there for her."

The Clinton campaign is making its "persuasion" pitch to superdelegates all about electability. In a memo to reporters this week, chief strategist Mark Penn highlighted several polls showing Clinton running stronger in the general election against Republican John McCain in states such as Ohio and Missouri. "The more that the voters learn about Barack Obama," Penn wrote, "the more his ability to beat John McCain is declining compared to Hillary."

Vandehei and Allen contend it would take "an electoral miracle" for Clinton to win the popular vote, and that the only way she could win the nomination is "if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party’s most reliable constituency" – a prospect they say Clinton advisers only call a 10 percent probability.

Barring a popular-vote win, they write, "she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else. People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet."

Christopher Beam of Slate is more succinct: "Hillary’s path to the nomination is not 'narrow,'" he wrote this week. "It’s barricaded."

Add it all together and what do you have? A prescription for several more months of campaign attacks. Clinton's electability argument only gains strength if Obama's poll numbers keep dropping - which is to say, if Clinton keeps hammering him on questions of experience and substance.

Outside events are the wild card. Could another controversy on the "Rev. Wright" level convince superdelegates to abandon Obama? It's worth noting that, to this point, that a tough month for Obama has not led to superdelegate defections. But if this campaign has taught us one thing, it's that as soon as you think you've figured it out, the ground shifts again.

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I think, the most honorable and classy thing for Hillary to do - is to drop out.

But my guess is that she lacks these qualities and will continue her 'scorched earth policy'; Either she will have the Democratic Party Nomination or no one will.


i really think richardson's endorsement of obama..is the lid on the coffin..i think Edwards will endorse obama before pa. primary and gore before or after..that will be the final nail in the coffin..i do not think the democrats can survive another few weeks without a candidate..and have to choose now..has to happen fast


Hillary can't win! She will ALWAYS be behind in pledged delegates AND the popular vote. I guess she should have campaigned in those "insignificant" states after all.


This is patent nonsense. Hillary has by far the popular vote majority in the key competitive states. Obama has gathered delegates in mostly caucus states that will almost all fall to the Republicans come November. This unfair deathknell concerning Hillary is part of a continual bandwagon litany that is based on Hillary hatred and unfair and unethical journalism. Just because journalists have "Clintonian fatigue," the American voter sees this very differently and will prove again and again they are supportive of her.


The Clintons are not just words, they are manipulated words.
The Clintons are using racial divides to fuel their campaign. They are also using the neo-con definition of patriotism to invalidate a REAL democrat.
The Wright controversy.
The Hispanic irrelevance of Richardsons endorsement, ie the Hispanic vote is over the endorsement means nothing.
Its just a game for them, using racial demographics to try to win.
The Clintons are stuck in the white liberal elite world. They still cling to the concept that "big liberal whitey" can help the disenfranchised masses.
Wrong.


Hillary is done. For the good of the party, she needs to step aside already. This race has been over since Super Tuesday.


!GOBAMA!


Which candidate is going to win? The one photographed attending Easter services this weekend. If the Obama camp continues on as if it's oblivious to the fact that this is Easter weekend, and he dashes off to the Caribbean for a mini-break rather than salvage his image as a churchgoing candidate, particularly in the wake of the Wright affair, he'll be in trouble with a segment of the electorate he wants firmly supporting him. Holding numerous campaign events in Oregon on Good Friday, yesterday, including the Richardson endorsement, won't help. Hopefully he has a photo-op scheduled of him attending services somewhere this weekend, whether or not it's Trinity United in Chicago.


There's clinton supporters, "whoever is the nominee" democrats and then there's everybody else. Roughly 1/4 of the country is behind her and 2/4 is against her. Those are pretty bad odds. Add in stealing the election, mass black vote and young vote defection, John McCain wins. Obama at least has a solid platform to bring him back to topping mccain in the polls.


Hillary Clinton should withdraw, but I think that she is going to have to be nudged. And who will do that? We need more superdelegates like Richardson to step up to the plate. The longer this contest goes on, the more damage Democrats can do to themselves in the general election. Of course the Clintons have never shown concern for the party; perhaps they want to muddy Obama up so much that they will weaken him in the general on the belief that then she can come back four years from now. It will really be sad if we let this wonderful candidate be swiftboated.


Are you related to the Tnkersleys of Charlotte Court House, VA, c. 1776?


You have my vote!!!!! I was very honored to meet Bill in richmond Indiana!!!!


For the longest time, polls (for what they are worth) showed Hillary to have a higher portion of negative rating than any candidate (exceptionally high). I don't think anything has happened to change that--her electability has been and still is, highly questionable. Between now and the convention we have to figure out if the Wright affair will put Obama in a similar situation. As of today, his poll numbers are way down; the question is, will they stay there or will they bounce back. If they don't then which candidate is most electable is a fair question; if they do, Hillary should step aside. More important than choosing between them is making sure that McCain, an apparently honest man but as foolish and incompetent and dangerous as Dubya, does not get elected to continue our national nightmare.


They both are running for POTUS NOT POTDemocrats. Hillary should stay in for the good of the COUNTRY not drop out for THE PARTY!


Mrs. Clinton should drop from the race, she has a personal agenda for the white house and donot really have the Anerican voters to heart. This is not the time for personal issue, America is in deep trouble now, and need a good Leader.


Logic fallacy, Bernard. Winning "big states" means nothing because those states are going to vote for whomever is the nominee in Nov, Obama or Hillary. You really think California, New York and Massachusetts would vote Republican in November? So the argument that she has some kind of legitimavy from winning those states is a failed argument. Keep in mind, however, that this is the United States, not "the Big States." All the states matter, and Obama is ahead in that department.


to Bernard Paul,

700,000 American Voters didn't feel the pantent nonsense you proclaim. You are typical Clinton parrot in your protests. We don't like the results of the caucus, the Michigan and Florida votes should count now? They didn't go the way Clinton way, so they are unfair! 60% of the country has Clinton fatigue, not just the press. Give it up!


As soon as we the people stop the nonsense of politics, and decide that we need a change in this country, then it will be all but over, and Hilary will be sent packing. Go Obama.


It would be tough for super delegates to push Hillary's delegate count over the top if Barak is ahead by a large margin. If he has a small lead and Hillary looks stronger than Barak in the last couple months of voting, that may be another story. I think one of the advantages super delegates have is that they can make a decision based on more information than voters had in January, February, March etc., and even their constituency might have voted differently if they had known about things that came out later.
The Rezko trial is pretty drawn out, and we don't know if there will be more revelations before it is over.
Barak shows a bit of hypocricy pursuing super delegatees such as Richardson given his strong stance on super delegates voting as their states do. (You also have super delegates Kennedy and Kerry from a Clinton state, who have probably not been asked by Senator Obama to vote for Senator Clinton, as many have noted.)


I am one of those "white old women over 70" who feels like Hillary is showing her true colors and will do anything and everything to win. She does not care that these tactics are dividing the Democratic party...how sad.


Bernard Paul: even if you include the MI and FL "primaries", HRC is still 80,246 votes behind in the popular vote...


Bernard Paul: even if you include the MI and FL "primaries", HRC is still 80,246 votes behind in the popular vote...


Yes, if the DNC lets democracy rule and includes the voters preference either as is or by re-vote in Michigan and Floriday, the popular as well as delegate vote as the people spoke or will speak. If the DNC does not let Obama win by a technicality by disallowing the voters preferences in Michigan and Florida. If they do not go by what the voters said or will say by voting in a primary then I won't vote democratic in any race again for years. Let democracy rule. That means to let the voters vote.


Hillary Clinton is the Senator from my home state of New York. While i've been proud of the work she has done for New York, i've been disappointed in how she has run her campaign. She has treated Barack Obama so unfairly, she is campaigning like the republican and Obama the democrat. Vandehei and Allen(Politico)assessment are on point. She has no chance of winning, unless she can somehow persuade the superdelegates to overturn the will of the people and we all know if that happens their will be anarchy. Hillary should cut her losses and drop out of the race.


Bernard Paul, your logic is way too one-sided. You don't want to give Obama credit for making traditionally red states like Colorado, Virginia, and Iowa, but you want to celebrate Hillary's prospects in big states like Texas? Do you honestly think those GOP voters who crossed over will be joined by more of their brethren? With regards to CA and NY, if you think Obama won't win those big states, you're hoping against hope. Furthermore, Obama has weathered his greatest crisis, Hillary's is yet to come. The scrutiny surrouding the Clinton tax returns will be huge, and right before the PA primaries. It is likely to fuel more speculation and demand for the revelation of the Clinton library donors.


I am part of Hillary Clinton's key demographic -- a 60ish white woman, but I support Barack Obama because she is the most polarizing candidate in recent memory. Even if Hillary sees the increasingly obvious writing on the wall, which is unlikely, she and Bill have already provided the GOP with an endorsement of McCain that will be used in the general election. Their complimentarty sound bites will become commercials trumpeting the former Democratic President's opinion that John McCain is more patriotic than Senator Obama. Shame on him for saying anything in his narcissistic lust for power.


What experience? and what substance? If any lacks these, it is Hillary. You can not ride by Bill's coat tails and make it your own!!! Get real, Hillary is simply not experienced enough nor is she a UNITER! We need someone who can unite the world, when Barack talks evryone listens!!


If obama wins the democratic nomination, it will literally be handing the presidency to the republicans...can't believe the democrats are so shortsighted..


Let the primaries take their course, for pete's sake.

And in the future, let's do away with caucuses are go back to universal suffrage by secret ballot. This is supposed to be a democracy.


She should give up the campaign and Al Gore should advise her to do so. Only he can explain how marginalized she will become as she continues to fracture the party in this unwinable quest to get the nomination. Hillary, the woman with the redactable life, must throw in the towel.


It doesn't matter if Hillary leads the popular vote in 'key' states. What matters is the overall popular vote. Superdels won't overthrow that.

Plus, claims that a 'unfair deathnell for Hillary is based on hatred andd unfair journalism' are nonsense. It is based on sounnd reasoning.

There are good, sound reasons for urging someone who is unlikely to win to pull out now. The longer we wait, the harder it will be to unify behind one candidate. Already a huge chunk of democrats are going to betray their values and their party this fall because their first choice candidate didn't make it. The longer we fight each other, the larger this group becomes.

Hillary, pull out now!I would also be fine with Obama pulling out, but since he is winning he shouldn't have to.

Hillary, pull out now.


Bernard- The only problem is, Clinton's popular vote lead in "key" states isn't really "by far" in the slightest.

In NY, she won by 300,000.

In CA, by 400,000.

In TX, by 100,000.

These are huge states, so those numbers are all less than 20% of voters.

Overall, Obama leads the pop vote by over 700,000.

For Clinton to attempt to persuade superdels without having the pop vote after all is said and done would be as anti-democratic as it is anti-Democratic. She would become the enemy of a huge chunk of her own party.

The only way she could do it is if she has a legitimate lead in the pop vote, since then no one could argue with the win. PA will help her, but there's no way it could be enough to cancel his current lead, let alone his gains in NC and elsewhere we all know are coming.

There's just no way.


Hillary will win.
Democratic party can not discount the will of people by not counting the votes in Florida, and Michigan. Obama is saying to devide votes in half, amounts to not counting the votes of people in those two states.
There are only two fair ways to count the votes in those two states, either counting votes of Florida (where both candidates were on the ballot), and revoting in Michigan, or revote in both states. Any other way to count vote will be infair.
If democracy is defined as "By the people, of the people, and for the people", then leadership of the democratic party cannot arbitrarily impose their rules.
I do not think it is fair to count delegates, superdelegates, electoral college etc undemocratic methods to elect (actually select) a candidate.
Let the will of the people be counted fairly and squarely.

Seeing all the votes and voting patterns, Hillary WILL win after all the votes are counted fairly.


Oh the media and their transparents support for Senator Obama. Neither Clinton or Obama can win enough delegates to EARN the nomination. So why shouldn't Obama drop out since he cannot win? The question won't be asked by the media because they are in the tank for Obama.

Clinton is correct when she states Obama hasn't been fully vetted. It isn't just Rev. Wright and Rezko, but other allegations are already out there about him.
She is also correct when she states Obama's wins in "red" states over Clinton will NOT garner him wins over McCain in November.

Don't blame Hillary that Obama couldn't close the deal(other than the Rezko deal).


LadyVoter: it is hardly a technicality - the rules were clear from the beginning, and MI and FL tried to steal a march on the primary season for ignoring the rules that all the dems agreed on, including Hilary (see her comments before the MI primary, where she acknowledged the votes wouldn't count).

The only reason she now wants them to count is because she has lost her early advantage through a combination of arrogance and just plain simple campaign mismanagement... if you don't believe this, look at the polls (you can find them easily on the intenet, if you really are interested in facts) from late last year, where she had double digit leads in EVERY state.


No way should Hillary drop out.

Why? to save us from an Obama presidency.

Obama should take a job as professor of African American Studies and Race Relationships. He can give more eloquent speeches and sway more young people to Wright’s way of thinking.

Based on what has transpired in the primary season, what we really have seen is that Obama pushes the race card whenever he thinks it will help him get ahead of Hillary Clinton. C’mon, to say that Bill Clinton’s comments in Carolina the other day were akin to McCarthyism is completely off the wall. Why are we, the public, letting him get away with it? Because we don’t want to be called racists.

What would an Obama presidency look like? Well, you can’t criticize the guy, because you will be racist. So he will keep tumbling down the rabbit hole, bringing the country with him. He is the most divisive candidate that has come on the scene in many years, precisely because he can use the race card so effectively.


I agree Hillary will not win in delegated count. But superdelegates should have the wisdom to note that her possible loss in nomination is not because of her weakness. If Obama's book was as open as hers and Wright-gate was not buried by the slanted press then, the Dem will not in today's situation - Hillary is the nominee.


The Politico piece says it best. Using words in the spirit of this Easter season, it would take an Obama disaster of biblical proportions to keep him from the Democratic nomination. Bill Clinton continues to be Hillary's worst enemy, as it seems like every time he opens his mouth he stirs up a negative controversy which further hurts the HRC campaign. McCain-Obama will provide the best choice for the American people in the fall.


It's time for the Clinton's to stop do the dirty work of the "vast right wing spin machine. "Swift boating a fellow Democrat should be "off limits".


It's o-VUH!!!!!Pack your bags, Hillary, you're going home!!! Show a shred of class and decency toward the Party and -- drop out.Now!


Senator Obama may win but he is rapidly losing his appearance of being a great leader.


Hillary has no chance to win the elected delegate count. The last time I checked, the rules stated that it's elected delegates, NOT popular vote that determines the winner.

Hillary can only harm the Democratic Party with her stubborn refusal to acknowledge the truth -- she can't win HONESTLY.

If Obama is leading at the end, and the Super Delegates step in and STOP THE HOPE TRAIN for the old worn-out ways of the Clintons, the party will be destroyed.

Hillary is in debt and owes more money than she has on hand. Can't even balance a checkbook. Obama has clearly out-organized, out-managed, and out-strategized her. He deserves the victory.


Democrats are only short-sighted if they insist on Clinton continuing to stay in and further divide the party.

I'm a NH Republican who is voting for Obama - there are a lot more like me. There are also a lot of people who cannot stand Clinton in any way, shape, or form. I will vote for Obama, but never for Clinton. C'mon, Democrats, turn up the heat to get Clinton out so we can start getting solidly behind Obama.


Why would she drop out?
In the states that held primary elections she ahead of Obama by 245,884
Causus were fixed by the Obama campaign.
In NYC there is a big
Anti Obama movement.
People are wearing Democrats AGAINST Obama
NEVER A OBAMA-WRIGHT 08


The superdelegates know how to read polls too. Since there is no safe bet they will conclude party unity is a nice concept but they alone must face the voters in their districts. It will be every man for himself.


"The honorable thing hiliary could do is drop out"......i can say the same about nobama. He should drop out. He's UNELECTABLE


I don't think Hillary or anyone in her camgaign took Obama seriously. Then, when he started winning states and delegates started slamming him with being inexperience when in fact, Obama has more experience when you add his years as a State Senator (they should count for something) to the years as a US senator. Especially if flying around the world having 15min teas and being joinned with commedians and singers is counted as experience.

Hillary political resume is overly padded with experience that's not there. And remember, up state has LOST jobs since shes taken office as their Senator. Her campaign is sloppy. These are small clues as to how a person would run the White House.

McCain is clueless. Being a war hero aside. Again these are little clues as to how he would run the White House.


I think it is Obama, not Clinton, that is tearing the democratic party apart. I take that back, I think it is the DNC and their rules. The caucus are democratic and large numbers of voters can't vote in them because of their life circumstances, the Then there is the fact that 2 states that did and will vote for Clinton if allowed a revote aren't included, 2 out of 50 that is 4% of the voters thrown out the window. And this talk of formulas, I don't want forumulas I want the DNC to let the voters vote.


Actually, we're not a pure democracy - our founding fathers decided against that...and so created the electoral college and in the early years Senators were not elected by popular vote, but by the state legislatures until 1913 (17th Amendment)...technically, we're a Republic.

That said, one of the great strenghts of our country is our ability to determine how we will elect our officials, something the Democrats have done, whether or not you agree with them, or the outcome these produce.


I don't feel Clinton should withdraw from the race but I do wish she would stop with the stupid kitchen sink approach. Moreover I also hope that people will see what's before them and eventually come together for whoever become the Democratic Nominee in the fall. This country has a complex group of people and for once I really would like American voters to think without hatred and fear. Do what's really needed for everyone who needs a better American government.


Of course she has no shot at winning, and thanks for writing an article on the truth. I'm so fed up with people making "hypothesies"....maybe she can win, maybe Barack believes this, maybe Barack believes that, maybe there's a black conspiracy, maybe there is a way we can count FL and MI, blah, blah blah!!! Why don't people stick to truths.

Obama has an unbeatable lead for the Dems. Hillary is loosing badly in this election. Obama has denounced racist views. FL and MI went against both the DNC and the RNC parties and are now paying their just dessserts. And how many times have the Clinton's used a conspiracy argument?

Anyone that is nieve enough to believe a single poll, caucus, or election since McCain has ran away with his party's nomination, is really turning a blind eye to the fact that Republican's are voting by the HUNDRED'S OF THOUSANDS for Hillary in the hopes of facing the easiest opponent in November. The only "momentum shift" that has taken place this last month is the artificial one that the Republicans have created for Hillary.

Please, Hillary, for your name's sake and legacy, exit gracefully and make some positive moves for a change.


Hillary can't win. She'll end up behind in the delegate total, number of states won and popular vote total. The superdelegates will hand the nomination to Obama when he finishes with a lead in these categories.

Yet I can't imagine a situation where she steps down before the last primary. It would be difficult for any person to bow out being so close in the delegate race and even now leading national polls. So don't blame Hillary for believing in herself and fighting on.

I think the superdelegates actually dropped the ball on this one. Their job requires them to use their superior understanding of democracy, politics and elections for the betterment of the party and its constituents. After the split decision on Super Tuesday, they would have seen the possibility of the race being this close. Instead of sitting on their hands and praying that they wouldn't be forced to make a decision, they hoped that one candidate would have the momentum enough to win without them. In the month following Super Tuesday when Obama racked up 11 straight wins, it seemed obvious that he would end with the delegate lead and popular majority. If they had come out in support of Obama then, this mess could have been averted.


alee21 wrote-
"Obama should take a job as professor of African American Studies and Race Relationships."
and then
"He is the most divisive candidate that has come on the scene in many years, precisely because he can use the race card so effectively."


You see, you've proven the point exactly- Obama is not playing any race card whatsoever- it's those who don't want to see him win who are playing the race card, over and over and over. Professor of African-American studies?! Are you serious?

Obama is a community organizer going to an organized church in his community. There is nothing wrong with that. If we're all of a sudden going to worry about people's pastors, how about all of the homophobia that continues from the lips of countless mega-church pastors? Why are we worried about a black church on the southside of Chicago, for petesake?

Obama has succeeded in being post-racial, unifying, and downright refreshing.

It's his enemies who are playing the race card, not him.


About the doing away with caucuses thing: Someone else on another blog made an astute and very significant observation: Primary voting can be - and has been in this nomination process - highly manipulative, i.e., the Rush L. Repubs who crossed over by an estimated 100,000 in Texas alone. These aren't people who would vote for Clinton in the general, but they had nothing to lose by doing the cross-over boogie as a way to keep Hillary in the running (which they wanted to do).

I attended a party caucus once, and no question, you had to be clear about whom you were supporting, and why. No chance to hide, obfuscate, or otherwise play the game of "Let's try and throw this thing off."

Conclusion: Assuming primary voting is more democratic...maybe needs to be revisited.

Thanks for considering.


to NH for Obama:

A lot of them will vote for McCain, I will never vote for Obama. I am a Clinton Democrat (also called Regan Democrats)


"If Obama's book was as open as hers..."

Where are the tax returns and the list of donors to the presidential library? And how did she get $5million to loan to her campaign - not an amount many of us have lying around, I would guess?

And why did the press have to file FOI requests to get her first lady appointments diaries? Because she knew what they would show, which is not the 'experience' she has been touting...

puh-leeze...


If Obama win Pennsylvania on Apr 22, that will be an indication that majority whites are ready to back him for the whitehouse, Hillary should drop out. If Obama can't convince Pennsylvania whites, he will not win the election with all his blacks in November. Stop dreaming and work hard to win the whites and win the nomination.


Obama is the one that will do anything to win. He manipulated the caucus states (mostly red states) in his favor. Here in our state all of our delegates went on Caucus where only 30,000 people voted, those results were heavily favored towards Obama. But we also did a primary and almost half a million voted and those results were more equally divided. Also, during the caucus voting process all you needed to do was to show up (between 1:00 - 1:30 pm) and vote on a piece of paper without showing any kind of ID. In Texas the caucus was so chaotic that in some places were doing headcounts when counting votes. Hillary won the popular vote in Texas but Obama thinks he won there because of the caucus system. Both if you do that, then you will be double-counting votes. The caucus system is an ancient system that doesn't meet present demands nor I find it very democratic. If Obama gets the nomination he will never win the general elections unless he gets his way and we do a caucus in the entire country.



Obama indeed has some very good things to say. His decision to honor his elders is indeed a Christian thing to do. What exactly that honor translates to as The President is very hard to understand. Both candidates are made by political advertising and power brokers. Was the James Stewart movie called Mr. Deeds Goes to Washington? What will be important is how well these folks respond to their advisors and who those advisors are when the phone rings at 3AM. We know what Hillary's advisors were able to do for Bill even when he fumbled the ball and when he was stupid. One who studies man and especially those who gain any little bit of power do well to understand that men and women are both part of the human race. As such all own a tendency to wander and to slip in decisions be they made in the area of business or of morality. Three main issues before us are the war, the economic war, and the health war. Hillary is old enough to not want to see us relive the pains of our exit from Vietnam. We have entered this particular area of the world too often in the last century and by now should know better than to waste our GIs there when we could wage such wars remotely. Our economics stand at a very edge of a huge cliff and the gavel to gavel of the Rezko travel as covered by the Tribune should be looked at and Obama's palce in that total mess should be resoned it to determine if his decisions will be based on similar logic. Can we find a way to build each American a valued life while also seeking to do the same for all of the people our corporations have drug into the global task? My basic premise is there is enough if the few will stop trying to control and own the many. On health care can we loose the bonds that keep the world from being healthy? Can we allow a doctor and not a business decision to be made by building businesses that seek health for individuals without requiring that the leaders of those businesses own the equal of small countries for their homes? Can Obama do these things? I do not have near enough data and just the words are not enough. I need platforms and counts of lawmakers who will support those platforms. We need that from our media. We need that for both candidates. On that issue which should not be an issue. We can only hope that on neither end nor anywhere along the spectrum do we find that the color of our skin decides any of these issues.


The superdelegates don't have the guts to do what the Dem party needs and that is to get OBAMA out of the race! He can't beat McCain in the general because he won't win a SINGLE state that Gore and Kerry lost in 2000 and 2004. Fair or not, the Rev Wright thing is in its infancy. The ads the swiftboaters will run against Obama in the fall will knock him off in Missouri, Ohio, Fla, and other swing states. He could even lose PA. Hillary Clinton is the best chance of keeping McCain out of the White House. Example: She is beating McCain by 6 points in Missouri where McCain is beating Obama by 7. It's hopeless for Obama. He shouldn't have gone to a church where the pastor danced on the graves of 9/11 victims 5 days after the attacks. When is the Dem party going to learn that the election is about winning the electoral college, and to do that, you have to win 1 huge or a couple small swing states!!!


to CTA:

I've looked at the polls and she is far ahead of Obama and has always led among registered democrats.

As far as the states of Florida and Michigan, the state pays for the primary not the DNC and if it goes to the supreme court I don't see how they will be excluded. This country is not about disallowing votes. And personally I don't want the DNC and RNC controlling the primaries anymore, not after this. The state governments pay for them so let them run them. I don't think the DNC or the RNC should be telling states how to spend their money when the fund the primary votes.


Pennsylvania will show you just how much people are starting to think of Obama. Answer- he has NO substance other than a good speech and chant. Hillary needs to stay in this race because most of us are starting to see behind the Obama facade. Hillary will win big in Pa and other states and She can count on Florida and Michigan if these stupid Democrats ever get their act together. If Obama does become the nominee watch when alot of us vote for McCain. We dont want Obama or his angry wife or hateful racist preacher anywhere near the White House.


She can't win in the delegate counts. She can't win the popular vote. So the answer is no. Can Hillary steal the nomination through back door political dealings? Absolutely!


Democrats for Obama are missing the point. He is not electable on a nationwide basis. This is not a nation that elects presidents on a popular vote. We do it state by state, with an electoral process that gave the 2000 election to Bush.

The key states that will swing the election - Florida, Ohio - will go for McCain.

Obama is the new McGovern. And, once again democrats are more willing to make a statement than win an election.


Peter:

Popular vote, including MI and FL:

Obama: 13,857,346
Clinton: 13,776,704

Just including Florida (not MI, where he wasn't on the ballot)

Obama: 13,857,346
Clinton: 13,448,395

And if you take out the caucuses entirely, the popular vote is:

Obama: 13,281,132
Clinton: 12,577,409


A very curious thing about those bloggers who describe themselves as "I am a 60+ white woman" or "I am a 70+ white woman" blah blah blah... but I support Obama anyway.

What does it matter what your age, gender and ethnicity is? There is no way to verify your claims, so it is completely irrelevant.


Hillary did not make Barack listen to Wright. She had nothing to do with his judgment about the entire church situation. Michelle on her own stated she was not ever proud of America before her husband got the nod. I know Hill is far from perfect but so is Barack and we need to stop pretending he is and help him to defend himself against the 527's if he is the nominee. The more we deny he is has some credibility issues the more we put him into an unwinable situation. The republicans will never give him a pass and despite what people think is going on now it is only going to get a lot worse in the fall. There will be no gloves on then. McCain will, not only not be chastised for his criticism of him, and his lack of experience or his patriotism he will be encouraged to point it out.


Everyone in the democratic party should be glad that Hillary is hanging in their. Why? The media is just now introducing Obama to the voters. We know how his polls dropped after the Rev. Wright situation. Now what will come out during the Rezko trial? What will his relationship with William Ayers reveal, etc., etc., etc. Right now there are just too man unanswered questions about Obama. It is better for the voters to find out NOW before the general election. Why? Common sense lets you know that the republicans already knew about Rev. Wright and know about Rezko, Ayers and probably much more. After Bush we can not afford to put our heads in the sand. At this point I think that Obama has surrounded himself with many questionable individuals. Time to connect the dots.


Are all you OBAMA supporters just IDIOTS???
Obama will NEVER survive a campaign against McCain. The Jeremiah Wright 20 year association ALONE will defeat him.
WAKE UP and get behind Hillary ---if you don't want 4 more years of Republican rule. Honestly --it's so the democrat party to be wide-eyed naive idiots chanting CHANGE! Grow up and get real. Obama may have your support but in a general election against McCain and the same Republican party that backed George Bush --Obama will be chewed up and spit out before Septmeber. Shake the stardust out of your eyes and get REAL ---real fast!


Fox misled anericans about obama breally badly. This is outrageous. Just see this video to see what i am saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ


Hilary should drop out? Why because the country just learned that Obama belongs to a Church that teaches racism, hate of America, has a political agenda that supports the destruction of Israel, etc. I see.

Hmm.

Interesting. Even though I was shocked to find out all this about Obama, and I will not vote for him after that speech, I don't think he should drop out. I am sure many don't think he is just a talking head when he
says Jews supported integration ONLY in front of Jews.


As others have said, I agree that Hillary should gracefully bow out and hope for another day in the future. Time to unify, rather than divide.


Remember 2000; the only thing that matters in November is the electoral count. Hillary's primary results seem to give her the best chance in the general election.. Why should Hillary drop out? e.g. Please explain how Obama's wins in caucuses translate into electoral votes? Is Obama counting on Hillary's supporters to vote for him? Or is he expecting them not to vote in the general election?


Absolutely she should stay in! Makes our job a lot easier.

Lovin' it!


Absolutely she should stay in! Makes our job a lot easier....I'm gonna vote for her myself in the primary, just to make sure.

Lovin' it!


Hillary should drop out now! Bill & she have done more to hurt the Democratic party than any Republican. I once respected them both...now I don't.
I won't be able to watch them go even lower to steal the nomination. Obama is our nominee.


Bill Richardson is nothing but an opportunitist. I don't think OB can win GE. The thing that bothers me these opople lack of appreciation. These people will never be successful.

I think Black benefited most during Clinton times. Without Clinton, Richardson is nothing (not to mention governor). But these people are now against Clinton. What a joke.

Black people, please remember, there will be no one more to treat better. Who will help you if you bit the finger that feed you. Please think about it.


Regardless of the total of pledged delegates and the popular vote at the end of the primaries, how can the superdelegates nominate someone who refuses to release her tax returns?

And how come Obama and the media are being so soft on her regarding this matter?


Elizabeth F-
Have you no faith?


Yes, We Can!

Obama 08!


Who will obama call for spiritual advice at 3:00 am. Will Obama call Wright, the Weatherman friend, the professor friends at the University of Chicago, or Rezko.


guys, forget about the delegate count. Obama has a lot more negatives than hillary does. Hillary is the right dem nominee. He's a racist in his own right, divisive, has bad jugdement, etc.


the thing is... when it comes time for a general election... do you really think Hilary will be able to get any republican to cross over? or even independents? i mean, seriously... for the same reason she is losing a race was supposed to win this time (the more we see her operate as a mean person, the harder it is to think of being stuck with her for four years)... for that reason.... she would lose the general as well. and... THE SUPERDELEGATES KNOW THAT


Mrs. Clinton should stay in the race as long as possible.

She's come this far. Let the last 10 states vote. At the end of that, let's see where everything lays. If Obama has both the delegate lead AND the popular vote lead, so be it - he wins. But if HRC has the popular vote lead, especially without MI and FL, then we still have a debate.

I think this is great - democracy in action.


LadyVoter:

The polls have a way of changing. A couple of weeks before Texas, she was up by double digits and yet that closed to a couple of points by the time of the primary - in which BTW, he won more delegates than she did.

MI and FL are not likely to go to the Supreme Court, mostly because the states parties decided not to rehold the primaries. But even if they did, the Court would be unlikely to interject itself in this - all organizations have the right to govern their own affairs except where there is a clear violation of laws, which is not the case.

Trying to create a specious argument about how these voters were disenfranchised is really a question for those who moved the primaries up, not the DNC, which is made up of representatives of the Democrats nationwide - remember these rules were made well before anyone gave Obama any chance at all, and thus had very little influence in the DNC.

The reality is that he has played by the rules, accepted his defeats, and moved on, in the process, getting more popular votes, more states and more delegates.


For all those Barrack fans, we all know change can be both good and bad. I only ask one question: Will you give a multinational 10 Billion Dollar corporation to a fresh garduate form Harvard and appoint him as a CEO of this corporation? I dont think so, then how do you want to give this strongest nation in the world to a rookie, who the world leaders will treat like a man with not much experience. People, think, what are you getting yourselves into?


It is time for Hillary to bow out. Democrats need to focus now on winning back the White House in the fall and unite behind the winner of the nomination process - Barack Obama.


The bigger problem I have for Mr. Obama is his pattern of saying one thing and then distancing himself from those words when the opposite is revealed at a later date. That is called "spin", folks, and certainly not "new politics". It also speaks to his platform of "good judgement". How can it be good judgement to listen to divisive words when you are also running on a platform of "unity", and listen to that for 20 years, just as an aside. We have a need and right to know Senator Obama from every angle and what he believes when he talks of equality and a "vision" for America. To say that Clinton +/or Obama is at fault for the direction the Democratic campaign has headed, is ludicrous and short-sighted. America is a melting pot of races, genders, culture, etc. and we each have a personal interest in seeing "ourselves" in our President. With that connection comes passion and emotional investment. However, it also must be tempered with information about the candidates (good and bad, without negative "label" attached to said information) so that we can make informed choices, rather than only emotionally-driven ones. To Americans: try to take off the blinders of opinion polls, media spin, mud and excitement and remember what this race is really about: Hiring someone to do the toughest and,arguably, most important job on the planet. Being President of the US isn't about speeches, promises and what-if's - it is about who you believe will get up, everyday, and work their butt off for every hardworking American, because they have a track record of that already. That person is Senator Clinton. She has worked hard and diligently for all Americans, and spent years building strong relationships because she has a passionate vision of what America can be, not just because she's running for President. Vetted, intelligent, tested and hardworking. Senator Clinton is the right choice for me in '08


This is not exactly the time for a rookie. Our country is facing some mega issues. I fell out of love with Hillary over illegal immigration, but Obama is just too risky. He does not have the resume and legitimate questions have been raised about both his character and his spine.

At time like this it is prudent to go with someone we know, warts and all.


Hillary has no real "path" that ends in her winning the presidency. She carries a heavy load of negatives in the electorate at large. There is an illusion of a path - raise Obama's negatives. In other words, trash him. This will raise his negatives as well as hers - thus securing the path of McCain to the presidency.

This contest was for the Dems to lose and lose they will if they allow Hillary's ambition to override the good of the Dem party.

Obama can win against McCain, if he is not trashed with bogus guilt by association and other dirty tricks from Hillary surrogates. He can fight the Republicans but the internecine warfare of the Dems will do him and Hillary in.

The only hope for the Dems is if Hillary quits right now.


Just days before the 1948 general election, everyone except the candidate himself was sure Harry Truman was finished. The result was everyone except the candidate himself was wrong. Harry Truman won that election. Almost 60 years later, history is going to repeat itself in Hillary Clinton.


"Will you give a multinational 10 Billion Dollar corporation to a fresh garduate form Harvard and appoint him as a CEO of this corporation?"

He's 46 and has 20+ years of legislative experience. She's 60 and has 8 years of legislative experience.

Of course, she does have more money than he does - she did manage to find $5m to lend her campaign. Now, where might that have come from? As a Senator, she makes $169k a year, and Bill made $400k a year - so even if they didn't pay taxes (where are those pesky returns, anyway????) they still don't have enough from their government salaries to have that kind of money.


Hillary should do the honorable thing and drop out quickly. Obama leads in total delegates, total popular votes, total states won, funds raised etc. Even the big states Hillary won were by close margins with very few exceptions. Superdelegates should converge behind Obama right now, and let Obama bring the country together.


I think that Obama and Clinton should stay in until June 3rd. All voters need to be heard, if Hillary can win 8 out of the 10 contests left, it will give her a huge amount of mo going into June and a lot of superdelegates will have to see that the Wright issue hurt him, as I know it has in my house and family.


It's becoming increasingly clear that Obama is unelectable because of, yes, his racist underside, his inexperience and his insistence on being the presidential candidate or nothing--and that's a short list. The American people deserved an apology from Obama this week as a result of his supporting Rev Wright. Instead of an amends we received a lecture and rationalization of his mistakes. Obama is not fit to be president. He's too arrogant to be responsible, weaseling out with words. Obama will say anything to get elected...in the loftiet way.

Once upon a time I was an Obama supporter and I voted for him in the past. I will never vote for him again.


Hillary can't run her own house.
Hillary can't run her own camp.
what on earth, Hillary thinks that she can run this country!!!
what a joke!!
give it up Hillary.

This is Hillary's dilemma: Hold on to the bait, and both Clinton and the Democrats lose. Let go of the bait, and Obama wins. Hillary Clinton's victory in November is not an option.
Hillary's attitude is "it must be me, or nobody!"

After seven years of Bush/Cheney violations of treaties and international law, of trashing the Constitution, of defying Congressional subpoenas, and of nullifying acts of Congress with signing statements, it is not likely that the American public will have much stomach for another President that regards herself as unbound by rules or, by implication, by law.


Hillary has a clear path to the nomination; and pigs have wings. Sure, never say never, but noboyd with any perspective can say that the odds of Hillary overcoming the popular vote (Florida included, because you just can't include the vote in Mi where Obama's name wasn't on the ballot), the elected delegate count and the # of states won, are anything but modest heading, with Richardson's endorsement of Obama, toward miniscule.


Hillary should do the honorable thing and drop out quickly. Obama leads in total delegates, total popular votes, total states won, funds raised etc. Even the big states Hillary won were mostly by close margins. Superdelegates should converge behind Obama right now. Let's not blame him for statements made by his pastor. Let's give him the chance to bring this country together, just like Bill Richardson rightly said.


Democratic voters love Hillary and Bill Clinton. Hillary received much of her Foreign Policy experise as her roll as First Lady. What better experience than to meet all of the world leaders adn be a two term Presiedents personal confidante.

Hillary is winning in Pennsylvania, Indiana, and remakably in North Carolina this week. She Got the Pa. congressman and former Marine John Murtha's endorsement. Clintons small donors surged by $20 million this month. We are headed to closed primaries where Republicans are re-registering in record numbers to vote for Hillary.

Clinton won N.M. and Richardson voted for Obama. That opens the door for Superdelegates to for vote Hillary even if Obama won their causus states.

Obama needs all the media help he can get because Wright, the weathermen, and Rezko are not going away and neither is Hillary.

By the way what was Obama doing with Wright and Kadafi?


To CTA, the rules as they are have been and will be say that the DNC can include the vote and delegates from MI and Fl, you choose to ignore the rules you don't like. The system is unfair and has been unfair.

The court case was just dismissed but the judge left an opening for it to be amended which it is in the process of being amended, to let the original vote be included.

These are private organizations using public funds to fund their elections, not the same thing as the boy scouts.


DELEGATE SOLUTION:
ADD THE FL. AND MI DELEGATES TOGETHER.(APPROX 350)
DIVIDE THAT NUMBER BY THE NUMBER OF PRIMARARIES REMAINING.(APPROX 7)
ADD THE ANS. (APPROX 50 )
DELEGATES TO EACH STATE PRIMARY CONTEST.
THE DELEGATES WOULD BE AWARDED TO THE CANDIDATES BASED ON THE VOTING. THE
DELEGATES GET SEATED AT THE CONVENTIONAND EACH CANDIDATE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CAMPAIGN FOR THEIR SUPPORT.


"She has worked hard and diligently for all Americans, and spent years building strong relationships because she has a passionate vision of what America can be, not just because she's running for President. Vetted, intelligent, tested and hardworking."

I'll give you hardworking and intelligent. But, given the appointments diaries (which clearly shows she wasn't involved in any real policy-making except for her failed healthcare plan), until she releases her returns and Bill releases the donor lists, she has no claim to tested and vetted.

As for working hard for all Americans, I recall that there was a lot of White House furniture that was missing when they left...


With recent events tarnishing the Obama campaign, Hil should definitely stick it out. Barry no longer is the teflon candidate. People are looking beyond the rhetoric and not particularly impressed with what they see. Obama is in a position of weakness and Hil should take advantage.


Barack Obama is a liar,,,

To all
Obama speech ,,,, Not sure if you caught Not only did Obama,,, Refuses to denounce him,, but even More,, He say in his own words,,,
Barack Obama was in church when Jeremiah Wright,, was spewing Anti-American, Racist ism ,,,, Those were his own words,,, barack was there
After going on keith Oberman ,Show obama said he would denounce that if he heard that language he would leave and not tolerate it , and denounce it
After he went on MSNBC,, he went on FOX CNN ABC


Question what does Clinton have that would really be an asset for the presidency? And I'm not talking about her experience because that's limited. Please someone give me something to go on.


Well MSNBC doing it again,,,I see Bill Oreilly,, “Oh I mean Keith Oberman who acting like Bill Oreilly”
OutRage, just out rage,,, about OBama Passport,,, He more up set about it than Michelle Obama..
Get a grip,, Everyone know you have this love feast with Obama,, but know as Always Billo ops I meant Keith.
Speaking out of term again,, It no just Obama Passport,, it Hilary McCain. Barack .
But Of course in your eyes , it only going to be about Obama try to make the public,,, give only him
Sympathy ,,, You’ve always wrong lately,, Your not wrong about bill OReilly maybe you should just stick with him..

LOOK at the blunder you did with your special comments on Hilary and Ferarro… how she was out of line for her comments
But when Obama Racist pastor does something or its a different story,,a man he knew for 20 year,, not only did he lie on your
Station,,, saying he never Heard those remarks or ever hearing him saying those remarks,,, then he came out a week later say yes he was in church when he said some remarks,,,and then he will not denounce Jeremiah Wright ,,, Yet he He did say last year, Imus should get fired for those remark against the woman basket ball team,,, but Jeremiah Wrights comment are alot worst,,, And still yet Billo Oberman, Now he is saying,,, talking about his grand mother, she a Typical white woman,,,, all the racism coming from Obama camp.
Obama want to unite everyone ,,, it will happen but not by Obama,,, the Obama camp been on CNN and Msnbc & Fox saying if the Super Delegate give Hilary the delegates, The obama Voters are going to vote for McCain,, Well that a big to blog out there,,, Most of us are learning from the Obama camp,,, If Obama wins the Primary,,, Hilary voter will vote for McCain, ,,,What goes around comes around,,, there many blogs on this,,,Why don’t MSNBC Just call them selfs MSNBC Barack Obama head Quarters.who who will be the main Anchor,, Billo Oberman. The Worst Person in The World,


I think Hillary should compete to the end -- isn't that her GORE-given right? To sign off on the DNC rules regarding early primaries and then 'cry foul' is, after all, what democrat's DO so expertly. The next deft move will be a Clinton federal court challenge to the DNC rules SHE originally approved (brought by one of her supporters). All I can say is "I voted for it -- but then I voted against it" (anyone remember that one?). When I think this contest can't get any better, I get stunned by each new revelation. We haven't even touched on Whitewater or the Weather Underground and such.


what a joke is right, which is why she needs to stay in.

McCain 08!


"Republican" we all know how miserable you are that you don't have a "real" candidate to represent your true point of view. Your assertions of delight are quite transparent.. happy happy..


This is time for CHANGE not in the color of the White house but the COLOR of brain running it. This is time for great leadership, justice, unity of nation not only for the benefit of USA but to the whole world.
And It is good to see Barak Obama be the Mr. President!! HE IS THE MAN! we Need!!


Politico has it right. She has basically no chance of winning.

Benard Paul, You mut be heavily medicated or something to have your position. But whatever...

As far as Regan Democrats go, everyone should google search Iran Contra and Regans position and doings there. It also sheads a little light on Jerimia Wrights statements that were so taken out of context.
Obama all the way!


Now, who will bell the cat! Who will tell Hillary it's over.
Not Bill, not Mark Penn, who!!


I am afraid that the Clintons will win the nomination.(Do not think for a minute that Bill will sit on the side lines...His ego won't let him) When they do. I will once again lose my vote because no one in their right minds will vote for Hillary. Many will because she is woman hear her roar but the rest of us kn ow she is not a fit President. So we will either vote for McSame or write in Obama and curse the Democrats at the convention that got bought by the Clintons.
The Clintons should feel real shame at the end of all of this. If they looked deep into that place where it is not comfortable for any of us to look they would see that they should have gotten the divorce and let Hillary be the finest Senator our country could have. Instead they will continue down the path and do to the party what Bill did to Ms. Lewinsky...


Hillary Clinton is gaining territory. but it might be a bit too late.
In light of the highly controversial comments by Rev. Jeremiah Wright,
can I derive by parallel reasoning that Sen. Obama's vote against the Iraq was influenced by twenty years of anti American sentiment?

Seems to me that Sen. Obama's preaching about Good Judgment is now in the open. He has exposed himself and his campaign a bit too late.

The damage is done; our vote for him is irreversible and I am ashamed.
Can Hillary Clinton still win the nomination? Yes, only if pending voters wake up.


So, LadyVoter, seems like your position is when the rules don't support HRC, they should be changed, even when she supported them.

Heck, now I get it, Obama should just drop out, because this is her time, and he broke the rules because he didn't get it...

How silly of me.



The DNC rules allow the DNC to change their mind and let the votes in or have a re-vote. These are the rules. You only bring up the rules you like and pretend the other rules don't exist. If Obama wins with anything other than MI and Fl votes being countes he is winning by a technicality and not by a democratic vote.


WHY HOW in the world would any superdelegates even begin to listen or believe Clinton when all she's proven is LIE after LIE after LIE with things like her Bosnia story, Nafta story, firing staff for starting false rumors against Obama, Bill Clinton gaffes against Obama, more staff being fired because of racial remarks against Obama and on and on. Gee, I sure hope the Obama campaign is keeping a running list of the Clinton atrocities so they can just SLAM BAM it on the table in case she tries to whip out charges as to why she is the more electable. Go Obama go!!


to: paul V,
could you explain these?
if you explain these them I will vote for Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton's New "DON'T FORGET" Ad for PA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT4bX4obJM0

Hillary said, “Yes! I will take money from lobbies.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BclzL97qfdk&feature=related

The Clinton's are doing a good job of keeping there campaign fraud trail out of the media.
Trial date to be set in Paul vs. Clinton on February 21, 2008 in Los Angeles Superior Court
http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?%2Fen%2Fstory-details%2Ftrial_date_to_be_set_in_paul_vs_clinton_on_february_21_2008%2F


The problem with Obama's "famous" speech on race this week is that it came AFTER not before exposure of Wright's sermons on the news. How convenient and politically correct of Senator Obama.

Whether he is or was right about the war in Iraq is now immaterial. The issue is that for 20 years he was comfortable in hearing the racist drivel of his spiritual leader and not once did he publicly condemn it.


If the super-delegates take the legitimate victory from Obama and give it to Clinton, can America really claim to be a democracy to the rest of the world? America has made a career out of preaching others about democracies and it will look fairly stupid, won't it? The votes from Mi and Fl, though unfortunate, cannot be counted toward popular votes because there have been so many flaws with those two elections, to do so will be highly dangerous to say the least.


Super delegates are afraid to back Hillary now. They know there will be Riots in the streets. And why should she drop out, let every state have a say in this election. If it's Obama and McCain. McCain will win by a landslide. Way to go DEMS.


The rest of Hillary’s 2008 race is a myth, deception and revenge. Unfortunately, that is not what Party politics is all about. Even if there were re-votes in FL and MI, she would not have won the nomination. She currently needs at least 64% of the remaining pledged- delegates. It is an insurmountable task for anyone to achieve. She has never won 5 races in a row. She is expected to LOSE in NC and Oregon but WIN in West Virginia, PA and Kentucky.

In terms of popular votes, she is 700,000 votes shy. The highest popular votes she has so far received were in New York and Arkansas. Even if she had the most popular votes, it would not matter. The first tie-breaker in the nomination process is the number of pledged delegates. Unless a candidate is caught with under garments down or dies, the Super delegates will simply award nomination to the candidate who has the most pledged delegates. Nancy Pelosi, the 2008 DNC Convention Chair has recently re-emphasized this point. What else do we need to know?

Hillary is not staying in the race because she is a fighter but to repay her financial losses and to vent out her anger against the wrong party which is her own. At the end of February, her debts were nearly $9 million. As a result, she has nearly doubled the volume of e-mail solicitations, showcases her Web site more at events and intensified online advertisements asking for small contributions.

Hillary needs to have an exit strategy after the PA primary especially, if she fails to win by 64% or donations dwindle down. Her current strategy is not good for her personally, Bill or her party. She has so far ruined the possibility for a Dream team. She is also diminishing possibilities for future presidential runs. She needs to blame the Republican Party that over the years has ruined her public image and creditability. Mostly it is a payback for her departure from the Republican Party, in her early political life.

She is in serious need of help to overcome the unfavorable result. This is where her peers including Bill Clinton are to step in and offer confidential counseling to heal her wounds and boost her morale. Bill should give precedence to the party that gave him presidency twice rather than the selfish ego of his wife. Hillary is seasoned politician but she has lately been politically reckless. The cause of Hillary’s failure is not her gender, Democratic members, the DNC process or Barack Obama but her lifetime political involvement that created a major negative machinery against her. No matter how optimistically you want to analyze it for Hillary, Obama will certainly end with a pledged-delegate lead and a nomination.


If Hillary wins, the US is done! Everybody in the world is looking at us right now. Will demo-crazy win over, or will underhand dealings steer the course as in the past...

If Hillary pulls a Bush and somehow gets nominated, there should/must be a revolution cause we had better cleans this system...


After the election season is over and Obama is vetted, the way Clinton has been prior to this contest; you the American people will come to see that the Obama Democratic nomination in 2008 has been the biggest mistake the American people have made in Recent History. At that time; you’ll be looking back upon this election, in complete dismay that the Republican Party will have re-taken the White House. The fact that the American People have fallen victim to an inspirational speaker with the experience to be a Jr. Senator by far, has taken to March 2008 for the splash of cold water to hit these people in the face and awaken them from a dream that has literally turned into a nightmare. For so many people to have thought that experience was not an important factor in this Democratic election process only goes to show how gullible the American People are. Maybe this primary will teach all voters to do their homework on all candidates before making foolish and emotional decisions in the voting booth …..2012 is only 4 years away, you’ll get another chance. Maybe Even Florida and Michigan!!!!!


The Clinton's kitchen sink (being thrown at Obama) includes the malfunctioning garbage disposal. If they, (Senator Clinton and Ex President Clinton)want to have any influence in the future, if they want to be regarded as statesmen (woman) She must acknowledge the inevitable and throw in the towel now. Or perhaps they look forward to the next few weeks when the woman with the redactable life is really scrutinized. Al Gore should advise her what it feels like to become the butt of late night talk show hosts' jokes. Its time to go Hillary, its time to go.


To the real HRC fans out there: You nieve folks are being handled like a sock puppet for the Republicans! Now that's a visual for you!

I'm going to make a prediction that Obama will loose PA, and at least 1/2 of the rest of the remaining states yet to vote. The Republicans are mobilizing their deceptive votes/ blogs/ opinions every way they can to help her win, so that McCain can crush her in Nov. If you can not see that, then maybe YOU'VE been drinking to much green Kool-Aid.


She has already won. Republican of the year.


Rajencajen - Does recent history include the elections of 2000 and 2004? Can there be a bigger mistake than electing W?


"Outside events are the wild card. Could another controversy on the "Rev. Wright" level convince superdelegates to abandon Obama? It's worth noting that, to this point, that a tough month for Obama has not led to superdelegate defections. But if this campaign has taught us one thing, it's that as soon as you think you've figured it out, the ground shifts again"

NEVER COUNT HILLARY OUT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN THRU JULY.


I) Counting MI and FL votes, hillary is only 80,000 votes behind that she can surpass in PA, IN, and WV. Hence from the popular point of view, there is no real advantage in Obama's camp, and it is why they want to push her to quit before they get behind the popular vote again;

(II) She has won ALL the big state with the exception of Il. She has won also readily swing states such as NJ and NH. She has also won key southern swing states such as Arkansas and TN. Hence, she is very likely to win big in the November election.

(III) Obama's collection of delegates comes from caucuses in small republican states that are quite unlikely to go to democrats. So, even though impressive, they do no mean much.

(IV) I think that it is too early to forecast anything. Please read history :) .... Bill clinton was selected in JUNE and he is the ONLY DEMOCRATIC president during the last half century to be elected twice. What is the rush? I think that Obama campaign wishes to wrap it up, as they know full well that the OBAMA bubble will deflate sooner or later.

Let's give the opportunity to the most qualified person to prevail.

Hillary 08 ! :)


My opinion is that Hillary doesn't have a chance but to be dragged out kicking and screaming, because the Clintons, in their premature trust in Hillary's nomination, have already promised too many political favors to too many people.

At this point, Hillary's stubborn refusal to do the decent thing indicates that she values her own place in the center of political power more than a Democratic win in November.


Simple answer to the question: No, she can't.


Barack Obama is a liar,,,

To all
Obama speech ,,,, Not sure if you caught Not only did Obama,,, Refuses to denounce him,, but even More,, He say in his own words,,,
Barack Obama was in church when Jeremiah Wright,, was spewing Anti-American, Racist ism ,,,, Those were his own words,,, barack was there
After going on keith Oberman ,Show obama said he would denounce that if he heard that language he would leave and not tolerate it , and denounce it
After he went on MSNBC,, he went on FOX CNN ABC


Bill Clinton lied about having a budget surplus. He told the entire world he paid down the national debt.

Look under Yahoo on their search engine, (Public Debt to the Penny). After going to the Treasury Departments site....look at the left hand side of the page for (Historical Debt Outstanding).

The last time the debt was paid down was 1957. George Bush gave everyone a tax cut on this lie. We owe 9.4 Trillion dollars now.

Hillary is claiming she can take 30 billion dollars, and fix the mortgage mess? 3 million homes at $400,000.00 four hundred thousand dollars a piece equals $1,200,000,000,000.00. Interest on one Trillion Two Hundred Billion dollars at 3% percent, is 36 billion dollars. Was Hillary just going to pay the interest payment?

Hillary and Bill Clinton don't have a fourth grade education in basic mathematics. And they are the great white hope we dream about? They can't count.....and constantly lie about what they are doing, and going to accomplish.

Under Bill Clinton the banking regulations were eased to allow dirivatives, which are imploding companies like Bear Stearns as we speak. We don't need anymore of this financial guru's disasters, foisted on the United states.


Rev. Wright already destroyed Obama's chances of becoming President.


Hillary will be the next president of the United States. Obama will be VP.

You folks seem to think we actually have a say in the matter. It's all a scam.

Google video "The Clinton Chronicles" for some fun.


Just IN CASE the UNTHINKABLE happens and Billary DOES get nominated and elected, wouldn't it at LEAST be a GOOD idea to just start the preliminary steps to an impeachment inquiry NOW ? !


Just IN CASE the UNTHINKABLE happens and Billary DOES get nominated and elected, wouldn't it at LEAST be a GOOD idea to just start the preliminary steps to an impeachment inquiry NOW ? ! ( PROUD MEMBER OF THE VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY :) )


Just IN CASE the UNTHINKABLE happens and Billary DOES get nominated and elected, wouldn't it at LEAST be a GOOD idea to just start the preliminary steps to an impeachment inquiry NOW ? ! ( PROUD MEMBER OF THE VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY :) )


Just IN CASE the UNTHINKABLE happens and Billary DOES get nominated and elected, wouldn't it at LEAST be a GOOD idea to just start the preliminary steps to an impeachment inquiry NOW ? ! ( PROUD MEMBER OF THE VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY :) )


No.

The McCain campaign coffers are not stuffed with cash. A few days ago CPR/NPR reported that McCain trailed Clinton in fundraising, getting just a third of the amount she raised... and a fifth of the amount Obama raised.

Once the Dem nominee is determined, the Republicans will try to ramp up their fundraising efforts. If it's Clinton, their supporters will be galvanized and give generously. If it's Obama, a lot of the moderates and independents will cross party lines to vote for a unifying candidate, and it will be much harder to raise cash with so many of the remainder disenchanted with "maverick" McCain.

The Republicans sense a much easier victory against Clinton, and a much harder (or hopeless) campaign against Obama.

Of course, the sleaze will come out no matter who the nominee is. Frankly, I'd rather not hear the old sleaze again; we had eight (prosperous, peaceful) years of it during the Clinton Presidency.

I think Obama can handle the smear tactics better than Clinton can, and I shudder to think what awful stuff is manufactured out of whispers and innuendo for both Dems.


No, Hillary can not win. The Politico.com was more than persuasive - it was on the money. She should step aside and let Obama do what McCain is doing: Finding a running mate that will help him win. This guy lays out the process better than anyone I've seen so far:
http://digits.hrblock.com/ssDigits/digits.php?rType=1&sPath=1140&sNode=1140&uId=198


I pray Hilary wins. She has much more experience. What a waste Obama proved to be for Illinois. I also do not want a president who has any ties with a man or women with such hateful rhetoric as Jeremiah Wright.


The reason Clinton should drop out is because she stepped over the line in saying she and McCain were the only one's that were fit to be president. The statement was disloyal to the Democratic Party. She will not get the nomination because the leaders of the Democratic Party no longer see her as an asset. The Democrats in congress were hurt by Bill Clinton and now Hillary has shown herself to be no different than Bill.

Things have gotten to the point that for the survival of the party in congress Mrs. Clinton is a liability. This along with the facts that there is no way that she can logically arrive at enough delegates means it is over.

I think that the last two weeks has hurt the chances of the Democratic party without enhancing the chances of Hillary getting the nomination. It is time for the undecided delegates to put Mrs Clinton out of her misery. Otherwise there will be a loss in November, no matter who gets the nomination.


The reason Clinton should drop out is because she stepped over the line in saying she and McCain were the only one's that were fit to be president. The statement was disloyal to the Democratic Party. She will not get the nomination because the leaders of the Democratic Party no longer see her as an asset. The Democrats in congress were hurt by Bill Clinton and now Hillary has shown herself to be no different than Bill.

Things have gotten to the point that for the survival of the party in congress Mrs. Clinton is a liability. This along with the facts that there is no way that she can logically arrive at enough delegates means it is over.

I think that the last two weeks has hurt the chances of the Democratic party without enhancing the chances of Hillary getting the nomination. It is time for the undecided delegates to put Mrs Clinton out of her misery. Otherwise there will be a loss in November, no matter who gets the nomination.


Bill Richardson said that his conversation telling the Clintons about his plan to endorse Obama was 'testy', in other words Hillary (with her well documented propensity for profanity) cursed him out. He was just glad he wan't in the same room with her as she often threw things at Bill when she was angry with him in the White House. Of course Bill gave her plenty reasons to curse and throw things.

Keep these thugs and liars from returning to the white house.


If Hillary were to drop out it would prove that Florida and Michigan were right to advance their primary date to February. Those states who left theirs to April and May or June would have no impact on the outcome exactly as Florida and Michigan contended when they moved forward.At a critical stage, now is no time to stop counting. The train is not yet in the station.


An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else. People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet."


Alot of you Obamers are saying Clinton should drop and your candidate will bring change or whatever that means. Honestly I happen to like Obama, he seems like a genuine stand-up kinda guy. Unfortunately I dont know what the hell he has done in his few years in the Senate and unfortunately nice guys doesnt mean the best guy for the job. I mean half the superdelegates supporting him say "I dunno, there something about that guy" what the hell does that mean??! Here is what would be great for our country. We have Clinton\Obama ticket, we win the white house. Obama serves 8 years as vice president and runs for president. By then he will have had enough experience and the Democrats will have a solid opportunity to have the white house for 16 years. Because if Obama wins the nomination and loses to McCain thats it for the Clintons unless Chelsea gets into politics and there goes your Obama and we are all in for a world of hurt.


No she can not winEconomically the money being spent and raised by Clinton whom was a Republican in her youth is being wasted when it could be used by the Democrates to beat McCain in the General election. It would be better to donate these small towns, the DNC or Obama than donating to Clinton. Money being spent on Clinton is like buying a bankrupt stock and praying there is a reason someone will buy it for more.

Winning the election should be the focus of the Democrates. The country needs leaders whom will concentrate on the issues that the country needs to be focused on today. What might happen as a strategy by Bush has created awful outcomes on the USA initiatives. There are plenty of priorities that are not what if's, they are real. The 3 am call has already come and gone several times.
Bush flew people on planes to Saudia Arabia as his first decision. Three hurricanes hit the USA and people are still waiting for help three years later. Fraud is occurring throughout the financial system and there no changes yet. The dependence on oil has effected the economy in such a large way that we are in a recession.

EMO has depicted in his cartoon lots of major issues of concern effecting America today.
http://mynonprofitwebsite.com/blog/category/emo-cartoon/


I believe Obama will make a fine president - some day. Just not now. And if the campaigns are not supposed to be about race, do blacks vote for Obama because he's black? Why doesn't he consider himself white? After all, he's half white and half black.


Okay people...

Did you not actually listen to what Wright said in full? Wright was quoting a white guy who spoke on FAUX News. Those were NOT his words. So WTF!? How is it that we are associating these things with Obama 3x removed?

Sounds like the last gasp of the Clintonistas is truely their death rattle.

HA! OBAMA 08!!!


Favorite misspelling of the day (the second one, that is)...

Hillary received much of her Foreign Policy experise as her roll as First Lady. Posted by: Grace | March 22, 2008 1:38 PM

Thanks for the chuckle, Grace, but I don't think there was much "roll" going on while she was First Lady. :)


I think the most honorable thing for her to do is stay in the race. This is a very proud woman who is not going to give up and no one has the right to tell her she should.


Like Richardson said yesterday, it's time for Clinton to step down, and the Democrats to come together. Obama has two former presidential candidates backing him now. They should know who has the best chance with the Republicans in Nov. Just because Obama did not bring up the past with Clinton, do not think the republicans won't. When the Clintons tax records, Bills' Foundation, and Library funding sources are reveled, it could destroy the party for decades. There is 1/2 BILLION dollars in funding alone to explain! If it were all kosher, it would have been known long ago. There is an ongoing fraud lawsuit in California, which the media has not been reporting as well. If she continues on her path of destruction, she won't even be able to keep her senate seat. Nor should she! Hillary Clinton will be the one starring in the Republican attack adds this fall. Then the public will she what damage she has done. There will be another time for a woman to run the Whitehouse. It's not this woman, Hillary Clinton, not this time.


Now that it looks like there is virtually no chance for Hillary to win --is there anyone in the Democratic Party with enough clout and courage to step forward and stop this negative campaigning which will harm their chances to win the Presidency --I do think Obama is once in a century Candidate --the caliber of Lincoln and Kennedy who deserves our whole hearted support --


A very slim chance, but, a chance nevertheless.
According to what I saw on television this morning thousands of republican's are voting for her because they feel she is the weakest candidate. Clintons tell lies and are neck deep in cover-ups. They always have been and always will be. The press won't focus on that because most of them support her.
People only have to do the research themselves to find this out.
Yes, Wright is a problem for Obama,however, has anyone seen a little more of that speech? The rev. is quoting someone..it is another case of believing what you see and not questioning the whole story. The people who know and have known Obama speak very highly of him. Many people who know and have known the Clintons are telling a different story than you hear from them. They even leave them never to go back. What does that tell you?
I'm a 55 year old white woman ( if that matters) and I feel good about Obama, I don't feel good about the Clintons. I see scandal,lies and cover-ups with them as I have watched them for many, many years now.

I would not vote for Wright, however, I do understand what he was trying to say and why he was quoting. We have had very difficult times in this country, some more than others, we have made some very big mistakes, but with the right people this could all change.

Amends need to be made and that is something the Clintons would never do. Healing has to begin and Clintons are not capable of that either.
I like McCain and have great respect for him, however, I believe with McCain we would have more of the same old Washington and will continue to go further down the wrong path.
Clinton was empeached and so was the co-president.
As I see it, we have one choice and a huge amount of HOPE.


Saturday, March 22, 2008

Rasmussen Markets data now give Obama a 78.1 % chance to win the Democratic nomination while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 22.0 %. Market data also suggests that Obama has a 46.7 % chance to become the next President. Expectations for McCain to become President are at 40.0 % while Clinton’s prospects are at 13.7 %.


Of course she can. She can just dig into her bag of (dirty) tricks and oull out a few more ways to rip apart her opponent. The trick will be convincing him to run with her in the general, because let's face it, thats the only way she has a chance.

"There are people in the party who are very concerned about this turning into some kind of a Bataan Death March."

The Bataan Death March continues!!!


If you look at the state-by-state comparison of Hillary's chances against McCain and Obama's chances against McCain, Obama is the clear winner:

Rassmussen Reports:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_presidential_race_state_by_state_snapshot


I believe Obama will make a fine president NOW. I am proud to support him, and I will vote for him if he is the nominee. I think John McCain is a good man, with good intentions, but I believe Obama's more centrist, populist position is what this country needs right now.

I truly don't see any other candidate who can possibly bring the country together like Obama can. Clinton can't, that's for sure. And it's amazing how many women express shock when other women won't vote to Clinton, just because she's female. That astounds me. True equality is in not having to defend your vote if it isn't along race or gender lines.


A party primary is not a popularity contest... it is about selecting (not electing) the party candidate who can best win in the general election. Hence, the super delegates will decide the final outcome in a close contest in view of the candidates' electibility, not their popularity (both are equally unpopular in my view... Hillary is too shrill and Obama is way too preachy, like he's the only one who can see things the thinking person is already well aware of, duh). The Clinton-Obama contest is that close... neither will win the required pledge delegates. And it now appears that it will become even closer... nothing suggests that Obama is going to finish his campaign with a blowout... and that's not counting the Florida and Michigan primary votes Hillary is forced to leave on the table until the general election. Obama must finish very strong to win the primary nomination. Otherwise, and certainly if it is Hillary who enjoys the blowout (witness PA!), it will be Hillary vs. McCain in November.

It is unfortunate that some of the super delegates are unable to contain themselves and reserve their vote for when/if it is required. Instead, they 'endorse' early in an attempt to influence the primary voting outcome. Frankly, I'm not so influenced when a loser steps up to endorse a could be loser, or when a black congressman from a black district of a black southern state steps forward in lock-step-unison with 92% of that minority's voters to endorse the blacker candidate. Kudos to Gore, Edwards, and the other super delegates who know to hold their fire until it is their time to decide the contest as they see best for winning the general election in November.


This is the wrong question to be asking.

The right question is whether Obama can lose the general eletion.


As a 64 yr old, life long Republican who will cross over to vote for Obama. I would cut my hands off at the wrist before I would ever vote for a ticket w/ the name Clinton on it. I will actively campaign
for Obama, or against Clinton
which ever applies.


Isn't it Ironic? The Obama campaign preaches "we don't do the same old politics" and yet they have used the same old politics to DENY TWO ENTIRE STATES their Constitutional right to vote.

Isn't it Ironic? Obama's campaign preaches "unity" and "we'll transcend above people's differences" and yet Obama has dedicated his book to a bigot and racist, and spent 20 years nodding his head in church(and probably cheering) for a racially incensed bigot Pastor
Wright who aims to have God Da*n any person who his not his race(and says that no one else can feel the pain but Obama).

Isn't it Ironic? That Obama's supporters want change so badly that the are willing to elect the first person that preaches "changing out the whole" system and yet if they get Obama into the General Election, the Republicans are going to WIN THE PRESIDENCY.

Reality check people. Obama burnt himself up, he failed the test, he's unelectable, it's too complicated to have him in the general election, and if you try to force him as the candidate, you will make a rift in America so big, McCain will absolutely be our next President.

Let's put a candidate that has taken the beating and has not failed the President test. Make the right decision, elect Hillary.


As a New Yorker I have voted for the Clintons at every opportunity ... including the Recent New York Primary. But the race is over. As a realist I must say that NOTHING will change the fact that Hillary simply will not win the nomination. It is time for grace and reconciliation. It is time to put the good of the party above the understandable passion to win and desire to obtain vindication for the injustices unfairly visited upon the Clintons. I don't want this recent ugliness to scar these fine candidates and the good they will do with their political lives. Its time to Unite. Nothing short of American lives, our economy, our world standing and our health are at stake.


This is patent nonsense. Hillary has by far the popular vote majority in the key competitive states. Obama has gathered delegates in mostly caucus states that will almost all fall to the Republicans come November. This unfair deathknell concerning Hillary is part of a continual bandwagon litany that is based on Hillary hatred and unfair and unethical journalism. Just because journalists have "Clintonian fatigue," the American voter sees this very differently and will prove again and again they are supportive of her.

Posted by: Bernard Paul | March 22, 2008 11:53 AM

Hey Bernard, your middle name wouldn't happen to be "Pierre" would it? Perhaps you'd like a recliner while you articulate. Well hey, since you're such an avid fan of Willy and Hilly, here's a little something I saved from a few years back:

AN OPEN LETTER TO HILLARY CLINTON,
BY JUANITA BROADDRICK

'DO YOU REMEMBER?'
SUNDAY OCT 15, 2000

As I watched Rick Lazio's interview on Fox News this morning, I felt compelled to write this open letter to you, Mrs. Clinton. Brit Hume asked Mr. Lazio's views regarding you as a person and how he perceived you as a candidate. Rick Lazio did not answer the question, but I know that I can. You know it, too.

I have no doubt that you are the same conniving, self-serving person you were twenty-two years ago when I had the misfortune to meet you. When I see you on television, campaigning for the New York senate race, I can see the same hypocrisy in your face that you displayed to me one evening in 1978. You have not changed.

I remember it as though it was yesterday. I only wish that it were yesterday and maybe there would still be time to do something about what your husband, Bill Clinton, did to me. There was a political rally for Mr. Clinton's bid for governor of Arkansas. I had obligated myself to be at this rally prior to my being assaulted by your husband in April, 1978. I had made up my mind to make an appearance and then leave as soon as the two of you arrived. This was a big mistake, but I was still in a state of shock and denial. You had questioned the gentleman who drove you and Mr. Clinton from the airport. You asked him about me and if I would be at the gathering.

Do you remember? You told the driver, "Bill has talked so much about Juanita", and that you were so anxious to meet me. Well, you wasted no time. As soon as you entered the room, you came directly to me and grabbed my hand.

Do you remember how you thanked me, saying "we want to thank you for everything that you do for Bill". At that point, I was pretty shaken and started to walk off. Remember how you kept a tight grip on my hand and drew closer to me? You repeated your statement, but this time with a coldness and look that I have seen many times on television in the last eight years. You said, "Everything you do for Bill". You then released your grip and I said nothing and left the gathering.

What did you mean, Hillary? Were you referring to my keeping quiet about the assault I had suffered at the hands of your husband only two weeks before? Were you warning me to continue to keep quiet? We both know the answer to that question. Yes, I can answer Brit Hume's question. You are the same Hillary that you were twenty years ago. You are cold, calculating and self-serving. You cannot tolerate the thought that you will soon be without the power you have wielded for the last eight years. Your effort to stay in power will be at the expense of the state of New York. I only hope the voters of New York will wake up in time and realize that Hillary Clinton is not an honorable or an honest person.

I will end by asking if you believe the statements I made on NBC Dateline when Lisa Myers asked if I had been assaulted and raped by your husband? Or perhaps, you are like Vice-President Gore and did not see the interview.

Juanita Broaddrick
Arkansas

Be careful what you vote for, you might just get it.


A Ministry of Rhetoric should be established and then Obama should be made its minister for life.

Clinton's shouting staccato screeching delivery makes her ineligible.

McCain's mumbling bumbling disqualifies him too.

For president: None of the above.


What I have noticed for months regarding comments about the candidates on this site and many others, is that the Barack camp is considerably more cruel with their remarks for Senator Clinton and anybody else they don't like as compared with Clinton supporters. I realize there are a lot of republican haters, no matter the candidate, but to attack your own party candidate in often fanatical terms reflects poorly on the party. If Barack is really your chosen candidate, the candidate that keeps preaching unity, a different Washington environment that will include both parties,his supporters seem to dismiss what they are supposedly supporting. I have lived a good many years and frankly I have never seen two democrats dislike each other as much as these two do.


WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE AND DON'T DRINK THE KOOl AID. I HATE Obama. He has fooled many gullible people who don't do their homework. Naive people who think it will be cool to vote for Obama, becuase he is black, but listen: he's not the right black guy! He's a big phoney and so is his wife and they are DANGEROUS. He and Michelle are racists, for black liberation, hateful of America and hateful of whites. He talks to Jesse Jackson and Rev. Sharpton daily. This is how he came up so fast in Chicago politics -- through black liberation politics, and DO NOT THINK IT WILL NOT BE AT WHITES' EXPENSE. He plays a good game, but this guy is the biggest scam artist out there.


The New Mexico vote was 49% to 48%. With less than 2,000 votes separating Hillary and Obama, Bill Richardson is entitled to go with his conscience rather than the state "winner". It's different in states where one candidate won by a double-digit margin.


Did everyone notice that Barack said that his grandma was a "typical white person"? Typical White person? What is that supposed to mean? So basically Barack is saying ALL white people are "typically racist
against black people"? Does this sound accurate? I think not! It is the Atypical idiot, like Pastor Wright, and/or the KKK that are the racists. America is unified. Don't believe it? Go to Bosnia and see what division(as in what Obama is pushing for) is all about. You'll find plenty of carnage for sure, the people there really hate each other.

Here's something to ponder, there are millions of "Typical" Americans that believe that are very very proud of the country we live in. It is these people that get a tear in their eye when they hear the 1812
overture at a 4th of July celebration.

The "atypical" types are the ones who would rather "divide" our nation into racial groups and destroy it in the process. Obama is an "atypical" candidate, for sure.

Obama's going to loose, not because he's black but because he has breeched his original campaign foundations and has made a liar and hypocrite out of himself through making his election all about race.

Obama is a divider and a liar, why would America make him the next president?


Did everyone notice that Barack said that his grandma was a "typical white person"? Typical White person? What is that supposed to mean? So basically Barack is saying ALL white people are "typically racist
against black people"? Does this sound accurate? I think not! It is the Atypical idiot, like Pastor Wright, and/or the KKK that are the racists. America is unified. Don't believe it? Go to Bosnia and see what division(as in what Obama is pushing for) is all about. You'll find plenty of carnage for sure, the people there really hate each other.

Here's something to ponder, there are millions of "Typical" Americans that believe that are very very proud of the country we live in. It is these people that get a tear in their eye when they hear the 1812
overture at a 4th of July celebration.

The "atypical" types are the ones who would rather "divide" our nation into racial groups and destroy it in the process. Obama is an "atypical" candidate, for sure.

Obama's going to loose, not because he's black but because he has breeched his original campaign foundations and has made a liar and hypocrite out of himself through making his election all about race.

Obama is a divider and a liar, why would America make him the next president?


Check out the 'sniper fire'

http://tinyurl.com/2uaypb


There's Clinton supporters, "whoever is the nominee" democrats and then there's everybody else. Roughly 1/4 of the country is behind her and 2/4 is against her. Those are pretty bad odds. Add in stealing the election, mass black vote and young vote defection, John McCain wins. Obama at least has a solid platform to bring him back to topping mccain in the polls.

Posted by: John Kyriacou | March 22, 2008 12:00 PM

At LAST! Someone with an eye to see the primary for what it IS! thank you John for putting it into terms that even Hilly supporters MUST understand. It's bad enough they delude themselves into believing that this Witch actually "CARES" about them, but when they go so far as to Claim that she has the lead in popular vote because she got maybe 5-6% more of it in a couple of large states, I have to SERIOUSLY question their mental capacity to come to a rational decision when it comes to the leadership of this country. Thanks for painting them a more accurate picture.


The country wins if Hillary loses.


For poster Paul Revere; where did you come up w/ a Constitutional right to vote in a primary? Look at it this way, a political party is a club. If they post "no shoes, no shirt, no service" it is their right. If you don't like the club, become independent. Nobody is being prevented from voting in the general election. More smoke & mirrors from the Clintons.


Obama is a vicious person who plays a passive aggressive game. His new race card is Richardson, but neitther Obama or Richardson are loyal to the friends that help them, so we'll see.

I was disgusted that Obama trumped up that passport charge just to get on the news with Condoleez Rice responding to him, and a photo Op of he and Rice smiling together.

Obama is an AXELROD Chigago political machine creation. What is he going to do for US. His goal is to destroy Hillary, seel books and craw his way to the top with his special brand of passive agressive brutality.

I really feel Hillary is someone devoted to being a civil Servant and she has the experience and commitment to work as hard as she can to bring us back to peace and prosperity. I hope she get's a chance, and that Obama is further exposed for who he really is.

At 47, if the only work for civil rights was 10 months, and a lackluster career of effort for change and a prominent position as ambitious, and making sure he knows all the right people, and a fund raiser Rezko, who also works for Bush, maybe Obama's main goal is to un dermine the Democrats, who knows. What I have learned from reading extensively about Obama, he is not who he calism to be, and he is not: New, Better, Improved or Best, he's a player and Obama is about Obama, and has given very little thought to how to change the USA.


A Ministry of Rhetoric should be established and then Obama should be made its minister for life.

Clinton's shouting staccato screeching delivery makes her ineligible.

McCain's mumbling bumbling disqualifies him too.

For president: None of the above.


"Facts are stubborn things." No matter how hard the Clinton Camp tries to control the narrative, the bottom line is she has no credible path to the nomination, and would be wise to drop out now. She is losing the delegate race, the popular vote race, and most importantly the money race!

Ironically the GOP could have been in this same position, but Romney was smart enough to know when it was over. They have started the general election game, and we don't even have a team in the field!

My suspicion is that she may quit sooner rather than later. She does not have the cash to wage a strong battle in the next three states. She can win PA, but she will have trouble investing in IN and NC.

At this point her best long-term, political strategy is probably to step aside. Her only realistic shot at the nomination is to overturn the current results via super delegates. Most in the party that are either neutral, or not Clinton supporters, see this for what it is, political suicide for the party in the Fall. If she voluntarily steps aside now, she will create the perception that she is falling on her sword for the good of the party. Something that will only endear her to the party regulars. If she stays in, despite seemingly insurmountable challenges and loses, then she will have squandered any political clout she has built over the years.


Amazing to see how frequently bloggers say that it would be classy, honorable, decent of Hillary to withdraw and leave the race to Obama. What??? I thought the point of competition was for each competitor to offer his best shot? How come she is so viciously criticized for giving it hers? Can anyone say gender bias??? I have no big problem with Barack, but the venom and irrationality of many of his supporters, the rock concert quality of his rallies make me quite uneasy. Hang in there Hillary. The check is in the mail!


alee21,

That was a terrible thing to say about Senator OBAMA!!! How dare you trivalize his speech -- which is one of the greatest pieces of work of my generation.

His speech was very important to American culture and he took a huge risk in presenting it to the world.

Barack is passionate, hopeful and strong. I am happy to be witness history.

People like you is the reason why America is in such horrible shape.


Before the campaign I would have considered Hillary in spite of some of the distasteful history. But the way that her campaign has used race since South Carolina is dispicable and should disqualify anyone from public office. I agree that an Edwards endorsement would be a big nail and Gore the final one. Not because of voter influence but the party leaders saying enough. A Gore/Obama ticket would have been nice. Has anyone stopped to think about why he chose not to run? Is politics a little too dirty to even those in it.

On unpersuasive argument to the Superdelegates by Clinton is that she has won the big states. But that does not mean that Obama would not win them against McCain. I think she is finished because her winning is dependent on 'persuasion' of superD. The rioting in the streets of Denver and a generation of bitterness cannot be overcome by any "argument" she might try to sell to party pols who have the party and their own careers to think about. Many of whom do not like her.


NUMBERS DON'T LIE.

Hilary doesn't have a legitimate chance.

She needs to be a good sportman and throw in the towel. What is the sense in damaging the party.


The people who screwed up the Democratic party were CNN, MSNBC, Republicans, people who wants Iran to be bombed, the democratic leadership DNC. All this people need to be replaced, we need intelligent people leading the DNC, lets outsource this jobs please. We need leadership.


It is such a shame that the media has been able to take reverend Wright's comments so out of context and paint him as a hateful anti-American racist. If you watch the comments in context, you see that these conclusions are not well supported. In the famous 'God damn America!' line, the Reverend is making the point that God would not endorse the grievous treatment of various groups, including the Native Americans, Blacks, Japanese, by American governments of the past. He says that God is a God of love and is therefore against slavery and inhumane treatment; this, I believe, is not a point that any Christian would disagree with. He further reassures the congregation that while some governments lack compassion, governments change, and further, God is unchanging and never lacks compassion.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rbEzHdV24AU&feature=related

Also, interestingly, the line, "America's chickens are coming home to roost" is not actually not Reverend Wright's line. He is giving the congregation some food for thought in what he calls a 'faith footnote' by discussing the statement of an American Ambassador who did point to America's past misdeeds and say "America's chickens are coming home to roost". He said that we need to acknowledge the fact that although people we've hurt in the Middle East can't fight back in conventional ways, they are now willing to die in order to take thousands with them. Now, while this is not a popular point (no one likes to be reminded that they had a role to play in a bad situation), it is one that needs to be brought up in any honest examination of the tragedy of 9/11.

Also in this sermon, reverend Wright criticizes the American government's response to 9/11, pointing out that the resulting wars are killing not only armed enemies, but also many 'unarmed innocents', the sense being, "We want revenge, we want paybacks and we don't care who gets hurt in the process." I think it is fair to point out that this is not a response condoned by a loving God. He asks God what our response should be "in response to such an unthinkable act" and speaks about how terrible the twin tower attack was. He says the answer he got back was that this was a time for self-examination and a time to renew one's relationship to God.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4x279GNMwvY&feature=related

If one actually watches the sermons of Reverend Wright in their entirety instead of in clips taken far out of context, it is clear that he does preach the core values of love and hope. Of course, while doing so, he is not afraid to ask tough and controversial questions and remind us of our misdeeds in order to put things in context. I think it is important to remind people of context when it is so difficult to forget, particularly in the wake of a tragedy, and I think there is far more integrity in facing tough questions honestly (even if one ends up disagreeing) than there is avoiding them (as we all to often do) in order to avoid feelings of discomfort.

In watching the sermons, I can see how much Obama could learn from this man, and why his is one of the most respected black preachers in the United States. His sermons are well rooted in history (although he does take some unconventional readings of certain parts of history) and the bible, including the lesser read passages. The sermons are thought provoking and challenge people to consider ideas that do not often come up. A few of those ideas are false, such as the idea that the American government is the source of the HIV virus, but many others are true, such as the Tuskegee study in which the US Public Health Service withheld cures from 399 African-Americans with Syphilis in order to study the progression of the disease, and there are many other ideas beyond that, which, while controversial, still contain the seeds of truth (e.g., there are legitimate reasons to question the power structure of America, there are legitimate reasons for people in the Middle East to dislike us, there are legitimate reasons to think that Bill Clinton failed to keep his promises to the black community, it is true that Israel kills Palestinians, etc., etc.). I believe there is great value in learning how to confront and evaluate controversial perspectives, and this is something Reverend Wright teaches, urging people in his congregation to really think about the things he is saying in order to decide whether or not they agree.

Interestingly, the reason that Hillary has been so unusually quiet about all this might be that she is actually more vulnerable in terms of unsavory religious associations than Obama is:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich


I think Hillary should keep on going in the primary. I DO NOT think she should drop out. The media has wanted her out ever since Ohio. I for one believes she has a much better chance of winning the presidential election since she has won very key states like California, Florida, New Hampshire etc.

She has won the crucial states necessary to win the general election.

As it is, I'm afraid the democrats are going to muck it all up with an inexperienced Obama and we shall end up with Mccain.


The Broaddrick letter posted above conveys most of what has always concerned me about the Clintons. And supported by the continual defection of so many close friends and supporters, beginning with the billionaire entertainment executive David Geffen commenting about how easily they lie.

Does the party or the country need eight more years of this divisivness and anger in politics. Is it not time to heal from the last 15 years.


Democrats, the problem isn't that Hillary is sticking around, and you have to "unite now to fight McCain." Your problems begin when Hillary does quit. There is a whole segment of older America that has a problem with Obama running for president when he hasn't even completed his first U.S. senate term. They want the president to have more Washington experience. When voters like me see Hillary go, we're going to start taking a closer look at John McCain. He's a distinguished war veteran who has paid his dues in Washington. Obama hasn't.
Does Obama really want to do what's right for the party? Then invite Hillary on the ticket and be a slam dunk for the nomination. It won't happen. His ambition won't allow it.
If you want to talk dirty pool and distorting facts, I have a real problem with Obama bludgeoning Hillary ad nauseum about the Iraq vote. He has gotten tremendous mileage out of the fact that a lot of voters were too young to remember what she actually stood for and what really happened (Congress was lied to by the President and his top officials), and most Americans are too busy to go back and read the fine print now. If Obama were a U.S. senator at that time, he would have read those frightening classified briefings from the President, and done the same thing. He knows it; he's come close to admitting it. Of course, nobody was asking for his opinion then because he is so inexperienced that he wasn't even in Washington five years ago.
With acquaintances like Wright and Ruznak, I'm not convinced of Obama's claim that he has better judgment to lead. I am an older woman and when Hillary goes, I'll be going to check out John McCain. That's your problem Democrats - right there.


Hillary is the only democrat who has the ability to beat McCain. Obama CAN NOT beat Mc
Cain.


Hillary is the only democrat who has the ability to beat McCain. Obama CAN NOT beat Mc
Cain.


I pray Hilary wins. She has much more experience. What a waste Obama proved to be for Illinois. I also do not want a president who has any ties with a man or women with such hateful rhetoric as Jeremiah Wright.

Posted by: Eric | March 22, 2008 3:02 PM

Pray hard Eric. You'll need all the divine intervention you can get. Secondly Mr Wright is not a racist, no matter how hard the republicans and Hillary supporters like your self try to make him out to be one. He stated historical fact. Not to mention that there is a reason those misguided terrorists did what they did. They feel like the USA is trampling on them. I may not agree, but that is the plain and simple truth. Whatever small amount of crediblity America had was lost when Bush and Cheney broke Iraq. Wake up and smell the coffee. Your government is broken and all you care about is some nutty preacher. Your a fool. Think. It ain't illegal yet.


You know for once I'd like Obama Supporters to stop saying "Hillary should bow out". Sure the math proves Hillary will not clinch the 2025 needed for pledge delegates but neither will Obama. This is a democratic process and there's absolutely nothing wrong with allowing the voters from the remaining primary states to VOTE. Even if it means that they will vote for Obama. In the interim, should Obama & Hillary criticize each other, guess what. That's OK. That's DEMOCRACY for you.


Which candidate is going to win? The one photographed attending Easter services this weekend. If the Obama camp continues on as if it's oblivious to the fact that this is Easter weekend, and he dashes off to the Caribbean for a mini-break rather than salvage his image as a churchgoing candidate, particularly in the wake of the Wright affair, he'll be in trouble with a segment of the electorate he wants firmly supporting him. Holding numerous campaign events in Oregon on Good Friday, yesterday, including the Richardson endorsement, won't help. Hopefully he has a photo-op scheduled of him attending services somewhere this weekend, whether or not it's Trinity United in Chicago.

Posted by: K. Riordan | March 22, 2008 12:00 PM

K Riordan you are a nut. So the only thing that counts is who goes to church on Easter??? With the whacky preacher story being used by the Clintons and Obama haters don't you suppose he wanted to keep the church out of the news cycle for a couple of days.

By the way this is America not Jesusland. I feel bad that he died on the cross for people like you and Lady Voter. LADY VOTER, go ahead and vote republican. You sound like one anyway. I personally find Hillary Clinton loathsome, even after I made the mistake of donating $2,000 to her campaign. I wouldn't give her a nickel today. Her campaign is a disgrace and a mess. Her scorched earth tactics are shamefull. Her ineptitude is obvious, I don't want someone like that running the country. That said I would vote for her before I vote republican. They have ruined this country's standing abroad. Europe not to mention the rest of the world would love to see Mr Obama voted in. God willing they will get they're wish.


The thing so many forget is that neither candidate will reach the number required by the democratic party to get the nomination. This is important because that number was established so that there would be a clear choice by the people. If neither candidate can reach that number then both have a valid a legit. shot at the nomination. Just because Obama is ahead by a hundred and some odd votes does not mean that he is the clear choice of democrats. For one thing, only democrats should be allowed to vote in our primaries...another party should not be allowed to sway the nomination. I am a Hillary supporter, however I always felt okay if Obama won the nomination if he could tell me why I should vote for him with such a lack of experience. However, ever since the Wright incident, I can no longer say that. He should have left that church. He runs on a platform of unity, yet gets his inspiration from a very dividing figure. He will be eaten alive in the fall by Republicans who will play those Wright clips over and over for all to see. Also lets be realistic, most matchup polls show him loosing Pa., N.J., Ohio and Florida against Mccain and have Clinton winning them. You can not win the President's offnice as a democrat without winning at least 3 of these states. A huge amount of his delegates come from states that will not vote democrat in the fall. Remeber our country elects on the electoral college not popular vote...therefore these states are vital.


Look at the gallup tracking polls. Obama as recovered from the wright flap. He has shown he can handle a mini crisis and make lemondae. If the super were smart, they would put some water on Hillary's win at any cost game plan.

Bow out graceful...now


For Hillary to drop out now when she is ahead in polls? I'm sorry but just don't make sense to me, that would say she is a quiter. I really think people of the Obama campaign are trying to put doubt in her financial supporters. Obama fans, please stop blaming her because out of 26 million votes there is only 700,000 popular vote difference. I have always voted Republican in the past but I switched over this time to give her a chance because she seems to be the most qualified I believe. And I feel she would be good for the economy and make a very great president. I just get so sick of hearing the media and Obama supporters suggesting for her to drop out for the good of the party. If she loses North Carolina and Indiana I am sure she will make a decision then, but please people let her at least have the diginity to finish those out and if she wins then that means she should go on and see how the popular vote plays out. We have to accept it. There is two strong canidates in this primary. We need to be patient and let some more voters have their turn. That would show strength to me. I think if Obama is going to lose in the fall it really doesn't matter how long this primary goes on. The Republicans are laying for right now to jump on him as soon as he gets nominated. So he might be better off. The real issue is his followers fear Clinton might surpass him in the popular vote is what it is. One thing I feel is they have to run on the ticket together to even have a prayer in Nov.


I would sooner vote for Hitler or Ben-Ladin as potus
then then a Clinton. They have done more to instill hate then anyone else in the last 50 years.

I will disavow my citizenship and move out of the country if she is elected
by the morons who support her.


I would sooner vote for Hitler than to vote for Obama. He has no business even in this race, he is a disgrace.

The NYT story coming out next week will be his nail in the coffin.

Hillary, by a country mile, is better positioned to win the Presidency. She will win the nomination, no question.

All the talk of delegates and popularity will be mute after Obama is forced out. None too soon either.


As a person who has been voting for 32 years, I do not understand why any citizen would want a candidate to drop out before enough delegates are earned by the people? We are lucky to have such an opportunity to vote and pick our leaders every four years, so to just throw it away or give up is unamerican. Even if your candidate is not the frontrunner, they should continue the fight. A lot of things can happen over the next four months. Many of the young voters do not understand this and think a person should just quit. Anyone running for the highest office in our country should have to work for it, earn the trust and right from the people. Quiting is the lazy way, the easy way, a trait that has become common in our society today.
I SAY.... KEEP UP THE FIGHT... MR. OBAMA AND MRS CLINTON MUST EARN THE RIGHT FROM EVERY REGISTERED VOTER.
If a person takes the time to register and be a part of the voting process in the hopes of making their lives better, we as a people should be patient and let them voice their opinion. Everyone is owed at least that, even if their candidate does not win.
Thank you for your time.


Guess what people!! The ceo of a company accused of improppery looking at the past port files of Presidential candidates is a consultant of the Obama campaign. John O. Brennan president and ceo of Analysis Corp. advises Qbama on foreign policy and intelligence issues.
He is the former senior cia official and former interim director of the National Counterterrorism Center. Guess it wasn't Hillary after all. More info for McCain this fall.


I'm sorry but Obama's campaign has actively worked towards stopping the revote in Florida and Michigan - disenfranchising millions of voters. He stood silent over 20+ years of a relationship with a racist bigot (all of a sudden he now denounces this guy) and the full scope of his Rezko dealinga and relationships are just starting to be unveiled. I think, to quote his longtime friend...his chickens are coming to roost. This guy is a walking timebomb.


What polls are you reading Gail? Obama has done anything BUT recover.

His speech was negatively revealing for Obama. Once people come to their senses and engage their brains they will figure it out. Many already have. Not even a Richardson endorsement can save Obama. In fact, that probably helped Hillary.

You have to wonder what is wrong with the people who found the speech impressive. It says a lot about them but not in a good way.


Guess what people!! The ceo of a company accused of improppery looking at the past port files of Presidential candidates is a consultant of the Obama campaign. John O. Brennan president and ceo of Analysis Corp. advises Qbama on foreign policy and intelligence issues.
He is the former senior cia official and former interim director of the National Counterterrorism Center. Guess it wasn't Hillary after all. More info for McCain this fall.


If Obama is in the general Ill be voting for John Mccain. for those of you who think the clintons lie and will do anything better start looking deeper into Obama before its to late. this guy has lied about his rev and chuch only can out because people found out


Doug, as I said above, anyone that is believing polls, blogs, election results, or caucus results taken durring this last month are being nieve of the fact that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF REPUBLICANS are now voting and blogging for her, so that McCain can slaughter her in the polls come November.

Obama has brought new, fresh voters to the scene, as well as many legit Republican cross overs. HRC has mostly old women and republicans voting for her in this recent "surge".

VideoLady from above: I applaude you for being a sincere legitimate HRC supporter. I do wonder, how in the big picture of things, such a devoted Dem can vote for McCain when we know that he is for the war, would nominate more judges that would try and overturn Roe v Wade, and many of the other things that the Republican party stands for. I for one would vote Dem every time, just for the core beliefs if nothing else. Plus, even if there is all this uncertainty of Obama's experience, he has done nothing but prove to everyone that has known him how wise he is beyond his years. Plus, to top it off, he does have more years of public service than HRC. It's your choice, but remember Roe v Wade when you vote in Nov.


tre (7:22pm)from above is a perfect example of a Repbulican trying to be a HRC supporter. She capitalizes Obama, McCain, and not Clinton's name!! LOL!! Wake up HRC fans, wolves are among you!!


I hereby propose that Godwin's Law be amended to include 'Kool-Aid' and 'Wake Up People'.


I don't understand as to why Hillary should drop out from the race at this point of time when she is gaining support from people around the nation! When I hear some people saying that Obama is so positive and an uniter while Hillary is labelled as being just opposite, I do not see that on national poll. These two candidates are actually neck and neck on both deligate and popular vote counts. For me, that is not the sign of her being so polarizing and a negative person at least on the view of millions and millions of people who are supporting her. However, not people, but news/medias as well as party leaders are so negative towards her, she may be be pushed out from the race after her big victory in pennsylvania. But it appears that Clinton's supporters are so loyal to her and they will not just go out and vote for Obama in general elction without her constant pleading on them to do so. In fact, considering the current level of situation, it will be almost impossible for Obama to win the general elction without ongoing support from Hillary. Despite all the hatred towards her, she seems a very caring person and she sure will help him on his goal to win the race for Whitehouse.


I would hate to think that Senator Clinton would let her supporters and the country down by dropping out of the race. If she drops out John McCain is our next pres.---What a shame


I would hate to think that Senator Clinton would let her supporters and the country down by dropping out of the race. If she drops out John McCain is our next pres.---What a shame


I don't understand as to why Hillary should drop out from the race at this point of time when she is gaining support from people around the nation! When I hear some people saying that Obama is so positive and an uniter while Hillary is labelled as being just opposite, I do not see that on national poll. These two candidates are actually neck and neck on both deligate and popular vote counts. For me, that is not the sign of her being so polarizing and a negative person at least on the view of millions and millions of people who are supporting her. However, not people, but news/medias as well as party leaders are so negative towards her, she may be be pushed out from the race after her big victory in pennsylvania. But it appears that Clinton's supporters are so loyal to her and they will not just go out and vote for Obama in general elction without her constant pleading on them to do so. In fact, considering the current level of situation, it will be almost impossible for Obama to win the general elction without ongoing support from Hillary. Despite all the hatred towards her, she seems a very caring person and she sure will help him on his goal to win the race for Whitehouse.


lol hillary clinton aint in jail yet for the peter paul scandal?


Read this.


Obama is unelectable, he will loose if he is the nominee. The super-delegates will hopefully see that soon than later. Obama has to much trash strung around him, to become President. The Republican will make mince meat out of him. If Obama is the nominee, you will be handing the White House keys to McCain!


Today the clintons questioned obama's patriotism- even though that isn't what they meant- I must have misheard it- Again.
Today the campaign said Obama is responsible for disenfranchising MI and FL voters- Even though the clintons agreed in advance to go along with what the party decided-I must have misheard that, too- Again.


An easter break revelation. Hillary lied about Bosnia ... and there's video to prove it. Check it out here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c and here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=IxVsdS887HA


Ah, Obama supporters, who keep insisting that Clinton should just "get out now", do you even realize what the Republican's are just sitting on right now in waiting for a democratic nominee named Barack Obama? Do any of you happen to remember John Kerry, medal winning war hero patriot who got "swiftboated" by the Republicans and as a result tanked in the general election? It has not been that long ago and I for one remember it painfully well. The Democrats have just gone and done it again by force feeding us Obama and his Rezko ties, Weather Underground associations, and black liberation theology anti-American spewing Reverand Wright. And then to follow all that up with a stupidly amateuric gaffe about his grandmother being one of those "typical white people". Geesh should this guy's judgment (or lack thereof) for POTUS be questioned, I wonder? And for those of you who think that the Wright controversy is over, think again. It's still playing loose and large in main street America. And the mainstream media has screwed us all because they buried all of Obama's serious "lack of judgment" flaws because they wanted to ram this political neophyte and his/their left-wing liberal agenda down our collective throats. Load all that in with Obama failing to stand up and show any leadership skills on the FL and MI disenfranchised voter issue and indeed what toxic stew we are left with. Yeah, that's right we;'ve got a whole bunch of really pi55ed off voters in both of those stanes that polls show WILL NOT VOTE for the democratic nominee in nominee if their votes cast in January are not counted. The Democratic party has gone and done it again. They will lose in November. And I as a moderate dem, former moderate republican and just one of the moderates who still happen to be the MAJORITY in this country, actually sort of hope the democratic party does implode upon itself. Maybe then WE MODERATES can rebuild from scratch a new party more in line with OUR ideals instead of one run by true liberals and their legends of beckon call media minions.


I thbink Hillary should quit this capaign. She's caused so much division and harm to the party.
Haven't people realized that hillary doesn't love America, but herself?
If she loved America, why didn't she split Michigan Florida? Because of her ambition for power.
Away Hill.


I thbink Hillary should quit this capaign. She's caused so much division and harm to the party.
Haven't people realized that hillary doesn't love America, but herself?
If she loved America, why didn't she split Michigan Florida? Because of her ambition for power.
Away Hill.


All of those who believe that Florida and Michigan should not count, should not be allowed to vote for any candidate. Let's see how you feel then. I do support Hillary, but as an AMERICAN I believe it is yOUR right for your voice to be heard. We should not allow a "Party Boss" to decide whose votes should count and which ones should not...regardless of the democratic "rules." And why is Obama so afraid of a revote? Afraid that Hillary will win more votes than she already did? IF Obama wins the nomination, it will simply be because all our voices have not been allowed to be heard.


Posted by: Xcellentform | March 22, 2008 7:26 PM

Doug, as I said above, anyone that is believing polls, blogs, election results, or caucus results taken durring this last month are being nieve of the fact that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF REPUBLICANS are now voting and blogging for her, so that McCain can slaughter her in the polls come November.
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Hogwash. I'm sitting here in PA and I can tell you for a fact, that some Republican leaders and conservative talk show hosts have stated quite clearly in interviews that they are switching over here in PA to vote for Hillary Clinton, but not for the reason you state. They are voting for Clinton because if McCain does not win in November they would rather have Clinton then Obama as POTUS - he's too far left liberal (left of Kennedy) for their tastes and most moderates like myself agree.

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Posted by: Xcellentform | March 22, 2008 7:26 PM

Obama has brought new, fresh voters to the scene, as well as many legit Republican cross overs. HRC has mostly old women and republicans voting for her in this recent "surge".

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First of all I resent being termed an "old woman" at 46. Second, have you even looked at any of the exit polling for any of the primary states - she's still winning among blue collar hard working people, still holds the majorities of union households/union workers, and the majority of wage earners of less than $100K...in other words she resonates better than Obama with the working middle class that made this nation great. And THAT's why she will win big in PA and Indiana, and potentially in others of the remaining states like West Va. She'll likely lose in NC because, I almost hate to say it at risk of being branded a RACIST, the state's demographics (high % black population) will likely vote as they have in every other high % black population state this far.

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Posted by: Xcellentform | March 22, 2008 7:26 PM

VideoLady from above: I applaude you for being a sincere legitimate HRC supporter. I do wonder, how in the big picture of things, such a devoted Dem can vote for McCain when we know that he is for the war, would nominate more judges that would try and overturn Roe v Wade, and many of the other things that the Republican party stands for. I for one would vote Dem every time, just for the core beliefs if nothing else. Plus, even if there is all this uncertainty of Obama's experience, he has done nothing but prove to everyone that has known him how wise he is beyond his years. Plus, to top it off, he does have more years of public service than HRC. It's your choice, but remember Roe v Wade when you vote in Nov.

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Again hogwash. I'm with the previous poster, either Clinton or McCain - no Obama. For the simple reason that Clinton and McCain have extensively MORE lifetime experiences AND both have clearly proven records of reaching across the aisle on important issues AND they both have a more centrist leaning voting record on the issues that are important to most moderates, and the issue of Roe V. Wade is NOT necessarily at the top of our personal kitchen table menu of issues. We're just trying to get by day to day with ever decreasing paychecks, ever increasing healthcare costs, gasoline prices, home heating oil prices, college tuitions, and food prices - THESE are the things that matter to most hard-working moderate middle class democrats and moderate republicans. It's always the far-left and the far-right minorities in the two major parties that seem to make the most noise about the least significant issues to the vast majority of us in this country.

And finally, do you have any idea how much work and public service Senator Clinton has indeed done over her adult lifetime?? Apparently not, but maybe you should at least avow youself to checking it out, it is available all over the web. She's worked and fought hard for nearly 35 years on issues that matter to women, children, the poor, and veterans. 35 YEARS. What does Obama have on HIS resume besides 20 years of consistently politicking his way to the next rung up the political ladder roughly every three years? Has he even ever held a real job? Try this article on for size, it's very enlightening and from a reporter who's been within the Obama circle since the early days in sleezy Chicago politics - http://houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/.


Okay people...

Did you not actually listen to what Wright said in full? Wright was quoting a white guy who spoke on FAUX News. Those were NOT his words. So WTF!? How is it that we are associating these things with Obama 3x removed?

Sounds like the last gasp of the Clintonistas is truely their death rattle.

HA! OBAMA 08!!!

Posted by: Eric | March 22, 2008 3:30 PM

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Hello! Perhaps you should actually go to the Trinity United Church of Christ website and get a feel for their mission and viewpoints, which are based upon black liberation theology, before you simply post this nonsense. There are those among the voting populace who DO NOT AGREE on a truly philosophical level with the black liberation theology Reverend Wright has been sermonizing for over 35 years, because they see it as a segregation philosophy, an ethnocentric versus greater good centered theology, a sermonizing of victimology. Again, black liberation theology's center value (as I understand it and someone please correct me if I'm way off here) and the core of Reverend Wright's sermons and viewpoints is the very raw and basic theme of oppression. Not only is the oppression of blacks the major center of the theology, but it also rejects any other area of theology, which attempts to counter or play down this theme. For instance, in black liberation theology, "salvation is physical liberation from WHITE oppression in this life rather than freedom from the sinful nature and acts of each individual man". This view leaves little room for the personal introspection and spiritual aspects of salvation and sin present in most Christian (including euro centric) theology. Now this is not necessarily a bad thing and I can understand how it resonates deeply within the African American community. But again, it IS perhaps why so many whites find Reverend White's fiery words so cutting and disturbing if not quite a bit antagonistic and anti-American. Yes, Reverend Wright has every right in this country to say the things he felt he had to say to MOTIVATE his congregation to rise up in his view against the "oppressor", which in at least one of his sermons he has determined to be the United States run solely by "rich white people". In other words he's dissed us ALL as a nation even though the vast majority of us would hardly see ourselves, nor are we at our cores, "black oppressors". Reverend Wright is indeed stuck in a "stagnant" 1950's-60's view of race relations in our country, as Obama even stated in his race in America speech. BUT, that viewpoint is divisive to many, many people in this country because it fails to take into account or commend in any way, how far we have come to erase the very oppression Reverend Wright clearly so despises. As for Mr. Obama, he failed to show good judgment on this issue because he sat in silence for nearly 20 years, listening to this very theology - but when it occurred to him that this was not in line with his own beliefs, that it may be divisive, that it may be anti-American - he failed to stand up to the Reverend as a friend and advise him to finally move into the 21st century, to move away from perpetuating victimhood within the black community, to start actually preaching a gospel of the very hope and unity that Obama himself claims now as his campaign platform today. This, not to mention his other quite questionable relationships (Rezko, Weather Underground) over the years, is why many have to now question whether he has the judgment or indeed the courage of conviction to lead this great nation. And in failing to act at any point during those 20 years he sat in those pews, in the end he's actually turned out to be the most divisive candidate in this race.


Question what does Clinton have that would really be an asset for the presidency? And I'm not talking about her experience because that's limited. Please someone give me something to go on.

Posted by: Ron | March 22, 2008 1:40 PM

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How about 35 years of her adult lifetime of working on issues resulted to women, children, the poor and veterans in this country?

Hillary Diane Rodham was born on October 25, 1947, in a Park Ridge, Illinois, suburb to Dorothy and Hugh Rodham. Hugh, a former Army drill sergeant, provided a disciplined environment in which Hillary earned every possible Girl Scout badge, was involved in the youth group of the local Methodist church, a member of the National Honor Society, and was a student leader.

Wellesley college, after graduating from high school in 1965.
Deeply affected by the death of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968, having met him in 1962.
At Wellesley her political views became more liberal, so the president of the College Republicans switched to the Democratic Party
Valedictorian at the Wellesley 1969 graduation, first student to deliver the commencement address, during which she stated, “The challenge now is to practice politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible.” Speech won her a standing ovation and a feature article in Life magazine.
Degree in political science.
Yale Law School 1969 to 1973.
Board of editors of Yale Review of Law and Social Action
Provided legal advice for underprivileged and abused children at Yale-New Haven Hospital.
Interned with children’s advocate Marian Wright Edelman, received a grant to work at the Children’s Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1970
Worked for Senator Walter Mondale’s subcommittee on migrant workers during the summer of 1971.
During 2nd year in law school, volunteered at the Yale Child Study Center, studied new research on early childhood brain development.
Worked at the city legal services providing free assistance to poor residents.
1973 began year of post-graduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center, wrote widely acknowledged thesis on children’s rights.
Staff attorney for the Children’s Defense Fund.
Recruited to serve on the presidential impeachment inquiry staff for the House of Representative’s Judiciary Committee, investigating the Watergate Scandal.
During 12 years as first lady of Arkansas, continued to pursue children and family issues. Chaired Arkansas Education Standards Committee to improve the testing standards of new teachers.
Staff attorney for the Children’s Defense Fund.
Recruited to serve on the presidential impeachment inquiry staff for the House of Representative’s Judiciary Committee, investigating the Watergate Scandal.
During 12 years as first lady of Arkansas, continued to pursue children and family issues. Chaired Arkansas Education Standards Committee to improve the testing standards of new teachers.
Founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families.
Introduced Arkansas Home Instruction for Preschool Youth, a program that trained parents of preschool children in preparedness and literacy.
Served on the Arkansas Children’s Hospital Legal Services board, Children’s Defense Fund board.
Named one of the 100 most influential attorneys in America by the National Law Journal in 1988 and 91.
Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983.
Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.
During her 8 years as US first lady, initiated the Children’s Health Insurance Program in 1997, increased research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma to the National Institute of Health, & assisted in determining the cause of a mysterious illness affecting veterans of the Gulf War.
Initiated and guided the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997.
Prestigious awards include:
Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service
President’s Award of the League of United Latin American Citizens
Role Model of the Year by the United Steel Workers of America
Martin Luther King Jr. Award from the Progressive National Baptist Convention
National Association of Elementary School Principals Distinguished Service Award.
Authored best-selling books:
Living History
It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us, which won her the 1997 Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album for the recorded version.

Elected to the US Senate on 11/7/2000. New York Times - “The Evolution of Hillary Clinton,” she has been successful in finding the middle ground between voters of various views on such issues as abortion rights, where her work has focused on reducing the number of abortions through the prevention of unwanted pregnancies rather than restricting abortions.

As US Senator, worked to strengthen New York’s economy and homeland security, while supporting return to fiscal responsibility. Worked to bring economic relief to victims of the 9/11 terrorist attack on the WTC and Pentagon. Introduced legislation to provide funding for threat-based homeland security to ensure adequate resources for first responders, and such high-target communities as New York City.

Senate committees: Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions; Environment and Public Works; Armed Services; Special Committee on Aging; 2004 - only senator on the Transformation Advisory Group to the Joint Forces Command. Visited troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations, to learn about the challenges American combat forces face. Worked for prescription-drug safety for children, lowering cost of prescription drugs, to prevent contamination of the American food supply by bioterrorism. Co-sponsored legislation to extend tax credits in regions containing designated Renewal Communities, & introduced legislation to increase access to broadband technology in rural areas.

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Is all THAT enough for you? Now can someone tell me what exactly does Mr. Obama have on HIS resume?


I agree with kmatt--those calling for Hillary Clinton to quit before the finish line are trying to interrupt the process by which the candidates should be vetted. Obama is finally being vetted. And I am really disheartened about these calls to stifle Hillary Clinton. You all don't sound very democratically minded to me. What's the real issue behind this lashing out--reverse racism, sexism, jealousy? Are you afraid of smart, white women? Time to start healing those wounds, I say. Let's talk.


It is not simply about blacks boycotting the party! I am a 63 year old white woman and could not vote for Hilary. I have not been so inspired in a candidate since JFK. Many of my friends feel the same and would feel that Hilary stole the nomination with "dirty politics". Do we really want to go back to that tumultuous time in the White House? Too much possibility for more scandal.


Hillary knows where Obama is vulnerable but as a fellow Democrat she has to wait until someone else publishes his dirt.

Very soon Obama will be swallowed up by scandals that he cannot run from. Hillary knows this.

If the press had not taken such a hands off approach to Obama early on he would not have a lead of any kind today. Cinderfella's coach is about to turn into a pumpkin and the press will look like idiots and irresponsible for treading so lightly.

Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Dan Abrams, David Gergen, Roland Martin and others won't be getting chills anymore. Unless it's the big chill from the public who will mock them.


I think the best thing for Obama to do is to drop out of the race.

Obama is a lying, whining, race baiter who hates American and all that are truly patriotic.

The Obama camp are a bunch of lying, whining, race baiters who hate American and all that are truly patriotic.

How sad for Obama to feel President Clinton was speaking of him, who he clearly wasn't based on the comments, maybe Obama is paranoid since his skirt was blown up and the American public found Reverend Jeremiah Wright beneath it.

Could it be because they and Obama know he is not a patriotic?

We see through the eight flags you are now standing before at each press conference. My late grandmother, whom I love and would never disparage, once said, why give a teenage mother birth control after she tests positive for being pregnant.

It’s the same thing. We do not buy the patriotic stance of the new Obama.

If Obama’s skirt is blown up one more time, maybe we will find out the truth about Rezko and Obama’s relationship with known terrorist William Ayers.

Obama camp, we are Americans, we are thinkers, we are intelligent, stop hitting us. the American people with press release after press release.

We get it, you are now afraid since we know your candidate is an unpatriotic, disciple of a hatemongering pastor and who is a closet black liberation nationalist, we will do the right thing and vote for ANYBODY other than Obama.

Stop sending out the press releases and save the paper for your resumes when your candidate does not get the nomination to lead our great, God-fearing and God-loving nation.

The Obama campaign shows the world our nation backs conmen, chameleons and charlatines.

God Bless America


OK, read this here instead, since some power apparently blocked the other link:

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Mr. Obama's speech, in spite of its eloquent passages expressing his hope for better racial relations in America, is a mastery example of literary subterfuge, the broadening of the scenery whereby an object of inquiry becomes lost in the background, or more bluntly, the escaping of a slippery fish from a pond into a lake to hide better.

His speech is essentially a sophisticated lawyerly defense of Rev Wright's sin on the basis of self-defense. While Mr. Obama's understanding on the root causes of America's racial problems is quite apt, he attempts to portray that it is Rev Wright's racial circumstance, and it alone, that had led Rev Wright, with the inevitability of the fixed trajectory of a massive asteroid hurtling toward Earth, to castigate America and its other race with repulsive profanities. Thus, by Mr. Obama account, Rev Wright is a victim of the circumstance that he couldn't have avoided.

Mr. Obama states: "The profound mistake of Reverend Wright's sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It's that he spoke as if our society was static . . . ," an apt analysis in view of his campaign slogan of "change" that will surely move the country out of the "static" stalemate under his leadership, but the truth is sadder and more personal.

Rev Wright, in spite of Mr. Obama's defense, is not a victim of his circumstance, the circumstance of his race, but of his own hubris, of his own failure to keep hope and faith in what is good in America and other fellow race. While racism still remains in American society, America does not espouse racism as a creed, and while racism still lingers among some white, not all white are racist. The sin of Rev Wright is that he lost his faith and hope in America.

And Mr. Obama's profound mistake in his defense is that Mr. Obama still sees America and its white race from the identity of an angry black intellectual who assiduously, in spite of his bi-racial background and unlike many bi-racial people who refuse to identify themselves with a race, cultivated his black identity at the exclusion of his white heritage, which he laboriously exorcised out of his soul, as his 1995 autobiography testifies.

His line: "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community," clearly indicates where his loyalty still lies, to his intellectually cultivated vision of the unified black community, the community that men like Rev Wright mistakenly and pretentiously claim its leadership. But black community, like the white, are far more diverse, far less united except under the common American value espoused in our Constitution and the sense of patriotism for the land where our families and friends live, of which Rev Wright so flagrantly savaged.

For many black, Mr. Obama's mention of Rev Wright and the black community in the same vein in his own defense grossly misrepresents the entire black community. Indeed, to them Rev Wright represents the past, the past that black community must depart, as much as the white community must from its lingering racism. And Mr. Obama's defense of Rev Wright harks back to that unfortunate past, just as his conscious attempt to identify himself as a wholly black person (perhaps until his presidential bid) by abandoning his white heritage harks back to the unfortunate divisions of races precipitated by each individual's conscious attempt at finding racial identity.

The unfortunate truth of his speech is that he, while acknowledging the damaging nature of Rev Wright's pronouncements to America's racial relations, failed to address, worse, to understand the obvious fact that Mr. Obama's unflagging support of Rev Wright (that he is like Mr. Obama's family member, that he cannot be disowned) has done further damages to racial relations and will continue to do so.

This is the sin of Barack Obama: he stood there by Rev Wright while the Reverend was caught up in his pride as a stirring preacher, a vainglorious social critic, spewing out his tirade decrying of the injustice of the whole nation, of an entire race, and he said nothing, did nothing, and to this day Mr. Obama still stands by Rev Wright and does nothing, notwithstanding his speech, except to keep his faith in the Reverend.

It is an admirable act of friendship fitting for a private citizen, but it is an act unbecoming of a US president, for he must stand, not by his friend who failed his hope and faith in America, but by his country and all its people. This, in spite of his rhetorical eloquence, he failed, no, refused to do. His speech did neither heal America's racial problems nor of his own; indeed, he has become, to many Americans, a part of the America's racial problems, not the solution as he pretends. Mr. Obama, unwittingly, has become a racially divisive man, the Democrat's November Bogeyman.


Obama folks, remember TX and OH and the rumblings before those primaries. You folks can sit all day long and try and put the Obama-spin on everything but the end result is not going to change.

And, Obama got here, "where he is not supposed to be" not because of his credentials but because of factors extraneous to him - media favoritism, black voters, young and politically naive voters, Clinton-bashers, high profile endorsements and last but not least GOP cross-voting. If we were to factor in the GOP hanky-panky in favor of Obama (the candidate the GOP knows that it can easily beat), he would certainly not be ahead in the popular votes and, possibly, not also in total delegate counts to date.

So, in all fairness, Hillary deserves the nomination and I pray she gets it.


Obama folks, remember TX and OH and the rumblings before those primaries. You folks can sit all day long and try and put the Obama-spin on everything but the end result is not going to change.

And, Obama got here, "where he is not supposed to be" not because of his credentials but because of factors extraneous to him - media favoritism, black voters, young and politically naive voters, Clinton-bashers, high profile endorsements and last but not least GOP cross-voting. If we were to factor in the GOP hanky-panky in favor of Obama (the candidate the GOP knows that it can easily beat), he would certainly not be ahead in the popular votes and, possibly, not also in total delegate counts to date.

So, in all fairness, Hillary deserves the nomination and I pray she gets it.


This is Hillary Clinton: Whitewater, Travelgate, Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, the loss of the Rose Law Firm billing records for nearly 2 years until they were miraculously found in the White House living quarters, removing files from Vince Foster’s office following his suicide and before investigators could get there. Her stalling to release her full tax returns and earmark requests from her time in the Senate, as well as her Clinton library donors. Her apology to the black community (for her friend and supporters racist comments) which came days too late. Her decline to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at International Profit Associates, or IPA accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record. Lets not forget her campaign eventually returned some $850,000 to Hong Kong businessman Norman Hsu who was found to be a fugitive in a 15-year old theft case. He was indicted for fraud related to his campaign contributions in 2007. Her failed inclusion and diplomacy with congress on her universal health care bid. Her flip flop on NAFTA. Her flip flop on Iraq. Her flip flop on Florida and Michigan. Her exaggerated foreign policy experience. Playing the race card better than Republicans could. Clinton photo with Rezko. Clinton photo with Rev Wright. Her failure to get the endorsement of close friend Bill Richardson. Her suggestion that superdelegates vote against the will of the people (this kind of leadership found support in the notion of "false consciousness" that originated in the philosophical writings of Marx and Engels).


Without Hillary's supporters, Obama loses and vice versa. I still think McCain becomes President because of all the animosity.


It's funny how you Obama supporters want Hilary to drop out of the race. Is it because you're afraid, and don't want us to find out more about Obama. You wanted her to drop out of the race in PA and OH and she won both states. You under estimated Hilary then. You are just running scared because you know Hilary will win and the more Obama stays out there, the more we get to know about him. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. I am a young African American woman and I am for Hilary Clinton. I know what they did for us during Bill's candidancy, now you want to turn your backs on them. Go Hilary Go Hilary. When there is much opposition, then you know God is for you. So stay strong, and keep the faith. Be just like Paul said in the bible, "I have a fought a good fight, and I have finished the course. Stay in it until the end, Hilary. I am praying for you.

God blessed!


General election is not a caucus. A Caucus attendance is heavily demography driven. If u are a mother with children or elderly to take care of..or if u are an elderly person..u are going to stay home. If u area


I don't hate HRC & I don't want to say bad things about her. I was one of her supporter until I determined Barak was a far better candidate. The question I have is "How can she win?" If she steals the nomination will that improve her chances of becoming president? Will large numbers of Independents & Republicans decide to vote for her? I think the Republican party would love to have her on the ballot. Most of them can't stand John McCain & she will energize their base to come out & vote. Not for McCain but against Hillary.


I actually heard Roland Martin say on a black TV show that if Hilary wins the nomination then the blacks should vote for McCain. What kind of crap is that? He is brainwashing the folks and telling them who to vote for. Sounds like a Republican tactic to me. Roland doesn't care about middle class folks. It appears that Obama supporters get upset and want to blame everything on Hilary. Hilary is not responsible for Obama's pastor's remarks. Oprah use to attend that church. She campaigned for him, but where is she now. She is not defending Rev. Wright. Rev. Wright said that Oprah sold out to her roots, but Oprah didn't like what she heard in that church so she left, so why couldn't Obama have done the same thing. He couldn't because that's his belief too, and it doesn't matter that they have a new Pastor. The new Pastor was a member too, so he is going to continue to preach what Rev. Wright preached. Geez Obama supporters, wake up! Obama is going to get exposed so more, and then he will have to drop out. You know it and that's why you want Hilary to quit. He's about to fold.


Hillary Clinton could transform her public image by bowing out gracefully but I doubt she will. And if she somehow obtains the nomination it won't be worth much because she'll have a much harder time getting Obama's supporters on her side than Obama would have winning over her supporters. Very few people will believe that a Clinton nomination is legitimate and she will risk becoming even more hated than W. Bush.

I am starting to think that the Clintons and their inner circle (Carville, et al.) think they've always been entitled to the nomination and are bitter because they underestimated Obama. Plus, they trivialize the millions of people who support him by blaming the media (a Republican ploy) for Obama's success.

If Clinton's such a skillful politician, she would have figured out a way to beat Obama long ago. But she and her inner circle have met their match and instead of admitting they've been bested, they want to go out like sore losers.

As far as Florida and Michigan go, it's a mess, but it's completely the fault of the parties in those states. Clinton didn't figure the scratched primaries there would matter because she was overconfident early on. Now that she's teetering on the edge, she wants to change the rules to suit her agenda.

Any way you slice it, if Clinton is the nominee, she will not only lose, she will lose as a more hated person than W. Bush and the damage to the Democratic Party could be irreparable.


Thank you to rizzo, ramone and atypical white person. Your feelings and analysis are mine exactly and I'm seeing more and more of "us" who "get it" --which is giving me some hope. The Democratic party had best "get it" really fast. Obama CANNOT and WILL NOT win the general election.
How many times can we be so stupid????? I really hope rizzo has an inside track and there is more evidence to be come that further reveals the slick lawyer sham of "Obama".


This year the superdelegates is what counts, because neither one will get to the 2024 delegates needed to win, so that is when it goes to the superdelegates, and hillary has got more superdelegates, and they are staying too close together now that they can't reach 2024 delegates, so hillary has more superdelegates, so that will make her win. Its all about superdelegates this year, because neither will get to 2024, so their nomination will not be secure, so the one that gets the most superdelegates will win this year, and the other ones don't count. Its totally different this year, because of them staying close together, its not going to be like the previous nominations, its going to be the exact opposite.


She has already lost. Her warmup act to prepare the Obama campaign for Republican attacks has served its purpose but would cost her the general election if she is chosen to run against McBush. She can salvage something by trying to get her supporters to back Obama now, but her run is over.


Anti American sentiments are an unforgivable crime. I could care less if Obama did things like use drugs during college, or even commit minor crimes; those things I can forgive.

Obama is Anti American, he has a problem with putting his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance. He will not wear the American Flag lapel. For a while he would not place American flags behind him during his speeches. He sat in a BLACK ONLY Church with Pastor Reverend Wright for 20 years.

His wife is anti American, there are college papers and recent statements that suggest this.

Many of his supporters are Anti American. Among his supporters are Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega, Black Panthers, John Kerry, Edward Kennedy, and many other shady characters. In some of his campaign offices there are Cuban Flags and picture of the Communist murderer Che Guevara.

Che Guevara was a murderer who killed many innocent people. He helped start a concentration camp in Cuba for homosexuals and others considered undesirable. This might be a little extreme, but does Obama endorse putting homosexuals in a concentration camp?

Obama has lots of charisma, but he has aligned himself with the wrong people. It is obvious he has very poor judgement. Blacks are going to vote for him no matter what; however, he has lost a great deal of the white vote. He may or may not get the nomination; however, there is no way he can win in the general election. For a while it looked like America was willing to take a chance on Obama. He could have been the first black president; however, I do not believe America will take that chance. Obama brought this on himself!

On the other hand, Hillary may have a chance at the ultimate prize.


Neither Obama and Clinton has the required votes to be the nominee. To say that Obama automatically becomes the nominee because he has more votes is to change the rule mid-course and unfair as well as illegal!

A new rule has to be defined with the full agreement of both candidates!


Wait a minute, the candidate with a 40% likeability rating...at the START of the primary season is relying on the argument that she is more electable in the general election...after she has offended:
*African-Americans
*Voters in caucus states
*Young people/new voters who actually became engaged in the political process, only to have their WINNING candidate possibly DENIED the nomination by the super delegates.....

actually believes she is more electable!

Shut it down Penn!

Don't let her start running your state's name in the ground with her ridiculous "big state" "momentum" theory.

IT'S OVER!!!!!!!


So, in all fairness, Hillary deserves the nomination and I pray she gets it.

Posted by: ramone | March 22, 2008 11:04 PM

Prepare for disappointment ramone. Hillary deserves nothing and she will get just that. She is losing fair and square. I might add that your lame excuses and spin won't change the outcome. Get over it!!!


This is the sin of Barack Obama: he stood there by Rev Wright while the Reverend was caught up in his pride as a stirring preacher, a vainglorious social critic, spewing out his tirade decrying of the injustice of the whole nation, of an entire race, and he said nothing, did nothing, and to this day Mr. Obama still stands by Rev Wright and does nothing, notwithstanding his speech, except to keep his faith in the Reverend.

His speech did neither heal America's racial problems nor of his own; indeed, he has become, to many Americans, a part of the America's racial problems, not the solution as he pretends. Mr. Obama, unwittingly, has become a racially divisive man, the Democrat's November Bogeyman.

Posted by: Atypical White Person | March 22, 2008 11:00 PM

Look atypical white dude, I'm as white as the driven snow and I didn't find the preachers rant threatening or racist. You people are just using it as spin to support your lame candidate, Hillary or McBush they both the same. More of the status quo ante as that dirtbag Dr Rice is fond of saying. Get ready to take an Obama beating in November, or if your a Hillary supporter sooner.


Yes SHE CAN!


Yes SHE CAN!


To the comment about ...if super delegates steal Obama's win, can we call this a Democracy...

The votes of millions of citizens have been highjacked in Florida and Michigan. I suppose THAT is Democratic?


To the comment about ...if super delegates steal Obama's win, can we call this a Democracy...

The votes of millions of citizens have been highjacked in Florida and Michigan. I suppose THAT is Democratic?


To the comment about ...if super delegates steal Obama's win, can we call this a Democracy...

The votes of millions of citizens have been highjacked in Florida and Michigan. I suppose THAT is Democratic?


After Bush got elected, I was sure the sheep & cattle would never again be so stupid.

Then, the same idiots blindly re-elected the moron. I was sure that the zombies would learn their lesson, this time.

Now, the moronic majority are voting with an American Idol mentality, for a candidate who's looking less qualified with each passing day (Obama).

I give up. It's time to go Republican.

Oh, and if the Democrats don't want Florida & Michigan votes to count, no prob. I'm sure the Republicans will be happy to count them at election time.

All you people who are supporting Obama are retards, plain & simple.

You deserve Obama.


Hillary should run as an independent, after all, what have the Dems done for her? Vote Hillary No Matter What. A True 3 Party System!


Hillary should run as an independent, after all, what have the Dems done for her? Vote Hillary No Matter What. A True 3 Party System!


If Obama is really such a strong candidate, why did he refuse to support Michigan re-vote? What is he afraid? Why has his campaign tried to stop Hillary from running even before Ohio and Taxes? This is not democratic. We should let the voters in the remaining 10 states speak!


Wake up, American! Obama lied again an again. He's not a uniter. He's a divider.


Hey Hillary! They are playing your song!

Sha-na-na-na. Sha-na-na-na Hey Hey Hey! Goooooood-bye!!!


A view from across the pond:

Hillary might beat McCain in November.

Obama won't.


I doubt that she can, and I am heartened that I can say that.

Hillary Clinton is tired, picked-over merchandise, and she comes bundled down with other baggage.

No one, left or right, wants to see sleazy Bill hanging around the White House again or in the press for years to come.

He resembles an offensive odor that sweeps into every room Hillary enters.

Hillary herself is a brittle, uninspiring personality, claiming experience we all know perfectly well she does not possess.

She is running against the most remarkable American politician to emerge in decades.

We are in the presence of a great and gifted man, and I am a rather hard and cynical critic who does not say that kind of thing lightly.

After years of Bush's bloody stupidity and criminal behavior the world needs someone like Obama desperately.


Wake up, American! Obama lied again an again. He's not a uniter. He's a divider.

Posted by: Jason | March 23, 2008 5:03 AM

Oh, and if the Democrats don't want Florida & Michigan votes to count, no prob. I'm sure the Republicans will be happy to count them at election time.

All you people who are supporting Obama are retards, plain & simple.

You deserve Obama.

Posted by: ObamaIdiots | March 23, 2008 4:07 AM

The votes of millions of citizens have been highjacked in Florida and Michigan. I suppose THAT is Democratic?

Posted by: thinktank08 | March 23, 2008 4:00 AM

Your prime examples of inbreeding!!! p.s. don't have sex with relatives.


Senator Obama talks about voter participation while actively disenfranchising millions.


He calls for high minded debates while practicing lowdown politics.

He promises a different kind of campaign while attacking Hillary’s character.


He promises transparency while hiding basic info and stonewalling the press.


It’s no wonder that Americans are coming to see that for all of his lofty rhetoric, Senator Obama’s candidacy is really just words.

It’s no surprise that Americans are expressing serious doubts about his ability to answer the 3am call.

It’s no wonder that top journalists are calling the Obama campaign desperate, saying that it’s amateur hour in Chicago.


NO DOUBTS. HILLARY 08!


I really like the idea of Senator Clinton running as an Independent candidate for president. There is no reason for her to be so loyal to her party that has been treating her like a dirt. She can select a strong/well known running mate and that will initiate the process of creating a third party in the USA. Many of us are so sick and tired of same old two party system and we must follow their ways of thinking (being either conservative or liberal). Only the popular/powerful individuals like Hillary can pull independent minded people like Ron Paul, Blumberg, Liberman, Powell, Hagle, and so on to start the new party base. Go Hillary...you are really a leader that so many of us feel so proud to follow for the good of this nation.


I am a republican who was willing to vote democratic even if it was a dog. Not only has the DNC reaffirmed my republicanism by their lack of leadership, they've forced me to consider MCcain again. I am a republican who wants to vote for Hillary because I think she is best for the country. If republicans are crossing over for her, can't she be the uniter? I am not for her because is beatable in general election - I am for her because of health care, and Iraq, and green policy initiatives and I believe she will do it.


JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE! Every single day we hear more about the OBAMA DEBACLE - his lies about it should be enough to force him to drop out of this race!! I mean, who wants a president who is apparently so out of touch with reality and who is so completely ignorant about what is going on around him???? Obama keeps addding to the controversy with everything he says every day that goes by!

SORRY, FOR A MAN TO STATE HE KNEW NOTHING IN HIS CHURCH COMMUNITY ABOUT HATE SPEECH SPEWED FOR TWENTY YEARS, FOR A MAN TO THROW HIS OWN GRANDMOTHER TO THE BIG BAD WOLF, FOR A MAN TO TYPIFY HIS OWN GRANDMOTHER AND GERALDINE FERRARO AS "TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE," FOR A MAN TO TRY TO COMPARE THEIR STATEMENTS IN ANY WAY TO HIS ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-WHITE, LYING, RACIST PASTOR, FOR A MAN WHOSE BOTTOM LINE IS "JUDGMENT," IS TELLING ENOUGH FOR ME!!!! WE WOULDN'T ACCEPT IT FROM ANY OTHER CANDIDATE - WHY SHOULD WE ACCEPT IT FROM HIM????


JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE! Every single day we hear more about the OBAMA DEBACLE - his lies about it should be enough to force him to drop out of this race!! I mean, who wants a president who is apparently so out of touch with reality and who is so completely ignorant about what is going on around him???? Obama keeps addding to the controversy with everything he says every day that goes by!

SORRY, FOR A MAN TO STATE HE KNEW NOTHING IN HIS CHURCH COMMUNITY ABOUT HATE SPEECH SPEWED FOR TWENTY YEARS, FOR A MAN TO THROW HIS OWN GRANDMOTHER TO THE BIG BAD WOLF, FOR A MAN TO TYPIFY HIS OWN GRANDMOTHER AND GERALDINE FERRARO AS "TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE," FOR A MAN TO TRY TO COMPARE THEIR STATEMENTS IN ANY WAY TO HIS ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-WHITE, LYING, RACIST PASTOR, FOR A MAN WHOSE BOTTOM LINE IS "JUDGMENT," IS TELLING ENOUGH FOR ME!!!! WE WOULDN'T ACCEPT IT FROM ANY OTHER CANDIDATE - WHY SHOULD WE ACCEPT IT FROM HIM????


You can't make an electability argument when you can't even get elected. "I'm more electable, I just can't get people to vote for me in the primaries." Especially for Clinton, who is more popular with Democrats than with the nation as a whole.

Two more nails:
The blog post above, about her repeatedly lying about the Bosnia trip. ?There's video of the welcome ceremony--and her campaign should have known that in the week between Sinbad coming forward and her repeating the grave danger and tarmac sprint lines.
The finances. That $35 million is almost 2/3 from people who already maxed out, not a surge of small new donors. That money is in an account for the general that can't be used in the primary. For primary funds, she raised about $11.5 million, against $8.7 million in debts her campaign still hasn't met. (Includes both Mark Penn's salaries and the long-suffering delis of Iowa.)


NoJudgment from above: My gosh, there are more than 2 or 3 REAL HRC supporters on here. I enjoyed reading your statements from above, even though they are quite flawed.

Let me start of by truely identifying myself, which no one does on these posts: I'm a 30 year old white man from WI that is a union carpenter. For sincerity sake, google my handle that I use here, as I am the only one on the net that uses it.

In WI, a big swing state in for Nov., in the heart of the stong Midwest union area, HRC was handed a HUGE 18% loss, despite many wolf republicans voting for her! Obama also took IA, IL, and MN, which are all VERY strong union states. And not by the 1 or 2 percentage points that HRC "wins" with, but by double digit landslides. Yes, I know that IL is his homestate, but it also happens to be an artery of the union too. So not for a minute, would I believe a recent exit poll that indicates that she carries the union vote in OH, or PA, etc. She may, or she may not, there are just too many republicans playing games here to accurately read any current data.

I thank you for helping me show the voters how much the Republicans are mobilizing in PA for HRC. If you think for one minute that the REPUBLICANS, the same ones that impeached Bill, spent 8 years trying to get them out of the office, and the ones that have Rush L on their side calling for his loyal listeners to go vote for HRC, have somehow softened their tone to make you think that they care about how much experience their new "friend" HRC has, then you really are being duped and may negate your 46 years of "experienc". The thought of a loyal Rep voting for HRC!!! I laughed so hard when I read that from you. HRC polarizes the Reps like Bush polarizes the Dems.

I'm sorry that I was not PC when I generalized that old women vote for HRC, which is true, but at 46 you could easily be a grandma by now, and concievably a great grandma! Sorry again to point out facts here!! LOL!! But no, on a personal note, I do not think 46 is old, and I probably should've included the middle aged women in my statement to be PC.

Let's see, you gave me another zinger when you said that Roe v Wade is not a real topic for this election cycle. I noticed that you dismissed my other topic of the war. A vote for McCain is a vote for war. Do you agree with this war? I don't. I also think Obama has given a much better plan for an exit strategy that HRC's 60 day blitz, or whatever it is. No quotes here, but Obama's was to the tune of "Let's put more thought in the exit strategy than what was needed to put us there". That, in one word is brilliant.

So, the point being that the Dem platform DOES matter! I picked two examples of the hundreds to choose from. As moderate as McCain is, and he is, he really turned his back to moderates in order to get the base Rep voters. So, I no longer feal comfortable with his old postion of moderation.

I thank you for posting HRC's credentials. I wish I would've heard it from her instead though. All I seem to get is her mud. She is a vetted and legit candidate. I don't think that she helped diagnose the real culprit of the Gulf War Syndrom, you know, with her medical doctors degree and all, but I'm sure she may have helped....somehow? But, in the same token, you can not call Obama inexperienced!! Hell, he's the same age you are!! LOL!! You can't have it both ways now!! LOL!! He is VERY experienced for the position, and has spent his whole life involoved with either legal, political, or humanitarian causes too. It is not like he was a carpenter from WI trying to come out of the woodwork and become president!! LOL!!

This is the part about her experience (and she is an experienced politician!) that negates this subject: She is anything but a uniter, in fact, she is a polarizer. The fact of it is, is that it takes a uniter to get things done in WA. Hell, look how Bush united the country and HRC to vote for the war in Iraq!!!! So there is something very REAL for the fact that Obama has a uniting skill, and the fact that HRC is the complete opposite in this department. The fact that she has no REAL way of enabling her visions (because the Reps won't work with her) is the biggest reason that I am for Obama. I'm serious as a heart attack on that point. If she had 2 ounces of uniting skills in her, I would've credited her with her some experience and forgiven her for her many misjudgments that she made in the past (war vote, NAFTA, Bill, etc. etc.). But because she alone, has choosen the low road in this election, and chose not to unite but divide, I've lost any respect for her that I could've ever hoped to muster. I know it sounds trite here, but she is not the right woman to carry the woman flag into WA. That day will come soon, I hope, but she is not the one. I think Pelosi, or Rice, or many other better choices will do that for the women soon.

To the religious fanatics in our society: Are you still one of those dinosaurs out there? LOL! Religeon has been used to domesticate society in the past, and teach it some really good values. Unfortunately, it is getting twisted into a means of hate nowadays. I'm speaking as much to the White Catholics here as I am to the Black Urbanites. It is all a joke!! Wake up folks. I fell for that whole scheme for 26 years too. The first thing I ask a fanatic is if they have read the bible from cover to cover. The steam usually gets let out of their engine when I ask that one. I don't think that Obama should get mud with a Guilt-by-association theory. If that is the case, HRC will sink like a rock. Fortunately for her, Obama supporters have had the restraint to really go there and toss mud too. The big difference between these two candidates is what their supports have said, vs. what they have done.

Oh crap, there goes the Rezko door getting opened. What has been proven?? That they bought some land next to each other!!! LOL!! Maybe Obama made a little on the deal, who cares, really. Do we get to start counting the Clinton's kickbacks and lawsuits? I gaurantee there are ten fold to be had from the Clintons. Last time I checked, money is still tempting to any human being. Now if Obama scratched a back, then maybe there is a story here. If not, give it up. You will never win an educated voter over with a theoretical statement.

So, have I addressed most statements here? God, I hope so. I'd love for people to start talking with civility again in this race. If Dems don't, my first thought is to assume they are a Republican....that goes for both sides!!

May the Democrats find a way to heal, and may the Republicans learn to heel!!


In the risk of sounding like a blog hog, I write this last thought that excaped me: I hope through all of this, that this country sees how screwed up this primary electing has become. Superdelegates?? Really?? Are the voters that dumb? While I STRONGLY endorse the rules that the DNC and RNC have imposed on FL and MI, I think the DNC got shafted. Why did Dean allow the Reps to still count 50% of their voters in this these two states, and Dean allow 0%? A lapse in judgment on his part. But I do agree that the states were wrong to willfully break the rules, and it is impossible to have a fair revote, or anything of the sort.

As an Obama voter, I am not "afraid" of the potential outcome. It is comletely IMPOSSIBLE to get a fair revote. Let's think about it for a second: If I was a Moderate (which I am), or a Dem in MI, and I was educated enought to know that my vote would not count on the Dem side, I would've voted for McCain, as at that time, there were many (a dozen??) candidates to vote for, and McCain is really the best choice for the Reps. So, looking at it now, that vote would make me a Rep on paper, and I would not be able to vote for who I really wanted to. Same holds true for the thousands of true republican crossovers that Obama draws, I can all but gaurantee that they voted for McCain in the primary. So, you fools may say, let's just include the Republicans in the revote too. Really???? After they have their party nomination?? Think a bit. It is a complete mess that the states brought unto themselves.

But I think it is a crock that voters can strategically vote for other candidates. I think it is a crock that there are two completely different sytems used to nominate Reps and Dems. I think it is a crock that Puorto Rica can vote in this system. I think it is a crock that this thing has gotten strung out so long. I think it is a crock that the DNC and RNC both get to use state workers and state money to choose a nominee using party rules.

If my tax money is being spent, I want clearer rules applied equally to both parties over a 6 month window to campaign in. Campaigning in Christmas?!?! Let's campaign nearer to the 4th of July where it is a lot more relevant. Heck, in the North here, the weather was so bad that it forced many voters to stay home!!! The day I voted, it was probably -20 deg. F with the windchill.

I really HOPE that this crap will all get sorted out before the next election.


It's always a gender thing - you "wordy" guys who can't handle a WOMAN having an amazing following of staunch supporters, who have to write paragraphs and paragraphs that others won't bother to read, who I would not want to be stuck listening to, and who always say that Hillary is "polarizing" (I skim for that word and always find it!). The fact is, you and others like you just love handy labels like that. JUST WAIT AND SEE! And, by the way, take a misogyny pill and call me in the morning.


Patricia, how bout I just call you a typical HRC supporter and we'll call it even. I read so much suppressed hate in your email that it makes me cringe. Plus, your term "wordy guy" sounds like an oxymoron if I've ever heard of one!! I hope your wounds heal in your lifetime.

On a second topic: I am reading SO MANY REPUBLICAN posts here that it is sickening. Trying to split the Dems by suggesting that HRC go independant is such a Republican thing to endorse. If a candidate can not even win their own party nod, it has been proven that they can not win a genneral election. I hope you HRC supporters start realizing all the wolves that are around you.


She won't win if she keeps telling whoppers like her Bosnian trip. The blogs are making a laughing stock out of her now. There is already a film on YouTube called Hillary's Tuzla. You can imagine what the Republicans will do in the general election. Her so called "experience" doesn't seem to improve her judgment. She has given the Republicans their swift boat ad when it comes to acting like a Commander in Chief. John McCain's military life ad up against Clinton's embellished Bosnian trip will make her look even more pathetic.



Bill Clinton was right.
Hillary & McCain love their Country.Did Iraq does not mean they did not love their country.

We need ask to Obama about his wife, he opposed Iraq War just like his pastor & farakkan. Remember his poeple just seemed happy listening about racist & hate from his pastor.


Love her or hate her, after going 0-12, not giving up and winning Ohio and Texas you've got to respect her.

Unfortunately, for both Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton, I think both are somewhat damaged at the moment. Obama has lost some luster and Hillary seems like a ruthless dirty-trickster.

I liked McCain in 2000, but I don't think McCain 2.0 has the capacity to tackle the broad range of critical issues: national security, Iraq, Iran, health care, the economy, China, energy crisis, climate change, etc., etc.

With the distinct strengths and weaknesses of each candidate, currently, it seems like a three-way tie.


Barack Obama sidestepped the Rev. Wright issue and chose to give a speech on race instead.Rev.Wright appaently has great influence on Barack Obama.Instead of creating a dialogue with other communities to move this country forward This minister is preaching racial hate.If Barack Obama is subjecting his children to this type of environment This is very poor judgement.


I liked McCain in 2000, but I don't think McCain 2.0 has the capacity to tackle the broad range of critical issues: national security, Iraq, Iran, health care, the economy, China, energy crisis, climate change, etc., etc.

Posted by: Dave from Michigan | March 23, 2008 3:04 PM

Barack Obama sidestepped the Rev. Wright issue and chose to give a speech on race instead.Rev.Wright appaently has great influence on Barack Obama.Instead of creating a dialogue with other communities to move this country forward This minister is preaching racial hate.If Barack Obama is subjecting his children to this type of environment This is very poor judgement.

Posted by: Linda F | March 23, 2008 6:28 PM

For every spot on comment, (ABOVE) there is a ridiculous one (BELOW) that follows. This Obama is a racist stuff is getting really old. Talk about disinformation.


When we reach to the day of convention, neither Obama nor Clinton will have enough deligates to win the nomination and we do not know as to who will be ahead in popular votes at that time. But it appeares that party leaders will push clinton out from the race in order to help Oama move on for general elction against McCain. I do not mind Obama getting nomination if he is ahead in both popular votes and deligate counts at that point of time. If not, neither of them will be a clear winner and the party members will just makes the decision as they pleased. If Hillary Clinton wants to run as an independent thereafter, that is her chioce. Who are we to say what she can do and what she can not! I agree that this country desperately needs a strong third party system in order to accomodate discontent moderate republicans, democrats, and independents. I am a life long moderate democrat and extremely unhappy with the way DNC mismanaging the nominating process. Also, the way Obama campaign continuously accusing Hillary and her husband for being racists or accusing Hillary having character defect and so on, she has absolutely no obligation to be loyal neither to the party nor to Obama. Many of us will support her and she may even win several states to initiate the new party base. Go for it Hillary, we need you.


Lets move from the predictive to outright moralizing.

1. HRC should lose because of the gutter campaign she has run.

2. Hillary should lose because of her manipulation of the DNC process whereby one day she states "obviously" Michigan and Florida won't count but then when she's close to losing feigns being the champion of the popular vote, a vote that Barack did not campaign for, or as in Michigan, didn't even have his name on the ballot for.

3. Hillary should lose because if you count all the votes in Michigan and Florida the were cast for HRC a glaring injustice is omitted, there were hundred's of thousands who would have voted for Obama if he hadn't in good faith taken his name off the ballot in Michigan. To argue otherwise is essentially to say that he should have known HRC couldn't be trusted to honor her word and he should have kept his name on the ballot anyways.

4. HRC should lose because her campaign reveals she does not have the character or moral gravity to be president of the united states. She has good ideas, and we remember that her husband had many good ideas as well, but calculations, misstepts, and scandal, left most unrealized.

It's time for a change and to turn the page. HRC is not entitled to the presidential nomination. And the specious argument that she is winning "big states" again only negates those who have voted for Mr. Obama wins in 26 other states.


It's always a gender thing - you "wordy" guys who can't handle a WOMAN having an amazing following of staunch supporters, who have to write paragraphs and paragraphs that others won't bother to read, who I would not want to be stuck listening to, and who always say that Hillary is "polarizing" (I skim for that word and always find it!). The fact is, you and others like you just love handy labels like that. JUST WAIT AND SEE! And, by the way, take a misogyny pill and call me in the morning.


No, "X", the "suppressed hate" is simply another favorite label of yours toward women, whom, by the way, you always seem to NEED to "label." You guys (and I'm certainly not generalizing this to all men, but to whom the polls show us Obama attracts) can only ever respect another guy's "wordy" speeches. You guys can only ever appreciate the sounds of your own voices, droning on and on, paragraph after paragraph, page after page, with the expectation that we are happy to listen. Empty words do not bespeak timely actions. We support Hillary because, despite the vicious, ongoing, years-long "guy-speak" attacks against her, (the media outlets at the forefront), despite the constant obstacles thrown at her by an unfriendly press and equally hateful quotient of men, she perseveres, a trait that resonates with me long after the verbose treatises are chronicled, catalogued and containered.


HRC is the only one entitled to the nomination. She is winning the big states that will matter in the general election whereas Obama is winning only red states that will remain red states.

If the press handled him fairly from the beginning he would have almost no states. He doesn't deserve the nomination, hasn't earned it, and won't get it anyway.


My "two cents'. Sen Obama impressed me big time. I read his book "Audicity of Hope." I could relate as a hispanic woman. He was honest and sincere....I thought. His Mom white, His Dad black. As a caring man I truly belived for a long time he belived in Unity! In other words all are created equal. Change has been his forte! The young admire him regardless of "color". That is a good thing! They are educated, smart and very much aware of what is going on than some of their parents. It is commenable that they are aware and their voting! Regardless of what their parents think. Thats a good thing! The only problem is some of those parents and grandparents are facing the death of their children! Some parents have faced and sacfrice for these young beautiful people that have an opinion that doen't par with Mom & Dad. However, these great kid don't get that parents love won't tell them what they have gone through; no matter the color of their skin....think about... it.....


This just goes to show that a woman still needs to work 2x as hard as a man in the workplace. Thankfully Hillary can and has! She has the most thought-out positions and the authentic voice. She wrote the "It Takes a Village", which has inspired dialogue in healthcare. Go Hillary!


Those for Hillary: please contact www.democrats.org (Democratic National Committee) and www.dnc.org (Democratic National Party) and let them know how you feel about their back-room dealings with regard to the Florida and Michigan apportionment of delegates, and the "electibility" factor with regard to Obama and the Wright issue, for which the Republicans will certainly drag him through the mud in the general.


Did anyone read Obama's first book, the one named after his pastor's speech? It's well written but raises a concern: Obama portrays himself as going through major emotional upheaval as a consequence of relatively minor life events/incidents. How would he handle serious adversity? Do we have a sense for that? I really don't know the answer, just asking.


Geronimus is right! Let the primaries play out. That is what they are for.
Dropping out of a race before the race is finished is unsportsman like.


Since mainstream media didn't tell us about Obama's racist and anti-American views, I've done my own research.

Now I understand why Obama is against Florida and Michigan voters being heard. He only won his first election as Illinois state sentator by enganging in nasty politics to remove his opponents names from the ballot! He cut down on voter choices!

The Chicago Tribune did an in-depth investigation on this about a year ago. Of course, the mainstream media didn't tell America -- or we'd have known not to vote for Obama in our own primaries. It's too late for some of us, but not too late for future primary voters to stop Obama. Hillary and McCain are far better candidates. Obama cannot be president. See that investigation at http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story


First Obama was portrayed as closet Muslim. Now he's the puppet of his crazy anti-American Pastor.

America in 2008 is a chapter out of an Orwellian novel.

What is the truth about anything?

We are at the mercy of corporate controlled media spoon-feeding us repetitive sensational or damning sound bites.

If you read a book or thoroughly research an issue on line (any issue, pick one), the day-in, day-out manipulative political gotchas are an insult and should be an outrage for our "democracy".

All I know is that this country has huge problems and challenges now and for the future: national security, Iraq, Iran, health care, the economy, China, energy security, climate change, education, subprime mess, etc., etc.

We're not picking the next American Idol or watching the Superbowl.

Which candidate has the capacity to effectively lead this country?


Hillary lost this election because people realized that she was the kind of person who would do precisely what she is doing now. The woman is willing to destroy her own party rather than admit the obvious - that Obama has won. The only thing she can hope to salvage from this campaign is her own dignity and her place in history, by resisting her own worst impulses and stopping the attacks (that are only helping the GOP). It may already be too late... Americans hate a bad loser. But there's still some chance that if she helps unite the party, she may still be remembered as a loyal Democrat - rather than the villainess who helped destroy the party's best chance to regain the White House.


Hillary should fight till the bitter end. She has a better chance of actually getting elected president than Obama - the poll for undecided votes (those who will not just vote a party vote)Therefore she is a better choice for president. If Obama wins the Democratic Nom - you might as well hand it to the Republicans. AGAIN!


GO HILLARY!!! dont give up!!! its for the good of the country!


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