by Mark Silva
Suggestions of a loyalty oath and the name of the late Sen. Joseph McCarthy have surfaced in the 2008 presidential election campaign.
James Carville, the Democratic strategist instrumental in the election of Bill Clinton as president in 1992, has likened New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, two-time member of the Clinton Cabinet, to Judas Iscariot for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton rival Barack Obama.
And a retired general has complained that Bill Clinton was acting like McCarthy with his remarks about love of country – a quality which Clinton attributed to his wife. (This gave the Clinton campaign a launching pad for a new fundraising appeal -- read on).
Carville, for one, was unrepentant today about his pre-Easter remarks about Richardson’s endorsement of Obama on Good Friday – when Carville suggested that Richardson’s move evoked the act of someone who had sold out for 30 pieces of silver.
Maybe it was the fact that Richardson had invited Bill Clinton to his Super Bowl party in Santa Fe – and Clinton went. Whatever it was, Richardson allowed today that it wasn’t easy to tell Hillary Clinton of his decision. But he lamented Carville’s remark about ”Judas.’’
“Yes, that's exactly what I said,’’ Carville said on CNN’s Situation Room today. “And by the way, I think the quote had the desired intent…. That people saw Richardson and saw somebody who was disloyal.’’
What about the 30 pieces of silver, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked.
“Well, again, that was a Biblical thing,’’ Carville said. “I was using a Biblical metaphor and it had -- it had the desired intent. People called me left and right and said, ‘Whenever I see that guy, I'll can't help but think of that quote.’’
For his part, Richardson said today that several members of the Clinton administration are supporting Obama and that any suggestion of “a litmus test of loyalty is unfortunate.’’
Richardson “served in the Cabinet in two different positions (Energy secretary and U.N. ambassador),’’ Carville noted. “I think that he invited President Clinton to come to his Super Bowl party..’’
Breaking the news about his Obama endorsement wasn’t easy, Richardson told Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s Hardball this evening.
“I’ve had better conversations with her,’’ he said. “She was unhappy.’’
Asked about Carville’s complaint, Richardson said: “I’m very disappointed, but I’m not going to get in the gutter with him.’’
He is not the only former Cabinet member or high-level adviser to President Clinton who is endorsing Obama, Richardson noted – pointing to Federico Pena, former Transportation secretary, Susan Rice, former assistant secretary of state, and Tony Lake, former national security adviser in the Clinton administration.
“I served in that Cabinet. I was very proud to. I gave good service to the country,’’ Richardson said. “This litmus test of loyalty is unfortunate, but I’m not going to respond any more to this.’’
When Bill Clinton spoke last week of love and country -- suggesting that the nation will have a choice of two patriotic candidates, retired Gen. "Tony'' McPeak, an Obama supporter, compared Clinton to Joe McCarthy. And today, Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe launched a campaign fundraising appeal based on the attacks which the Clinton camp is suffering.
"Ever since we won in Ohio and Texas we have been seeing these kinds of personal attacks from the Obama campaign,'' McAuliffe said of the McCarthy shot in his fundraising email today. "It's hard to believe that a campaign that talks so much about changing the tenor of our politics would employ these kinds of tactics, but its the kind of thing we are seeing every day from Senator Obama and his campaign....
"Well I'm not going to stand for it, and neither should you,'' McAuliffe wrote. "There's no better way to fight back than to show your support for our campaign in the face of these attacks.''


Comments
Richardson is a self-serving disloyal gas bag.
Posted by: Sandy | March 24, 2008 7:31 PM
http://www.therothshow.com/home07.htm
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Posted by: sandy | March 24, 2008 7:34 PM
It seems to me that loyalty is to the Country, then the Party, then the Person. It was the Bushies who distorted the meaning of loyalty to fealty, what is owed the liege-lord. Not in my America!
The behavior of the Clintons has been very disappointing and destructive. I hope she comes to senses soon.
Posted by: thebob.bob | March 24, 2008 7:34 PM
Users, all users. They think they are supporting a winner; therefore, they will be the first to reap the rewards - Richardson, the vice-presidency, the others lucrative cabinet positions. I guess Hillary would be too tough of a boss for them, and Obama is just too malleable, so they may think they would have more power with Obama who still is in the embryo stage of D.C. politics and foreign policy. Ulterior motives are suspect - hardly hope and change.
Posted by: the truth | March 24, 2008 7:42 PM
The only disloyalty I see on the part of Richardson is in telling the American people that he continues to have high regard and affection for the Clintons. I would suggest that both of these are not truly accurate, and perhaps Richardson could do more service for his country by telling the American people what he really knows about the CLintons and their operations
Posted by: tony.s | March 24, 2008 7:42 PM
Richardson is a self-serving disloyal gas bag.
Posted by: Sandy | March 24, 2008 7:31 PM
Yeah and if Richardson had gone against the will of the people and endored Hillary and gone down with the Good Ship Clinton he would have all of a sudden become a swell guy in your eyes, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y
Get lost....and take the Clinton family with you
Posted by: notSandy | March 24, 2008 8:02 PM
Ladies and Germs, tonight on lead vocals, BILL CLINTON!!
Fee, fee, fi, fi, fo-fo, fum
Look at Monica now, here she comes
Wearin her wig hat and shades to match
Shes got high-heel shoes and an alligator hat
Wearin her pearls and her diamond rings
Shes got bracelets on her fingers, now, and everything
Shes the devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress,
Devil with the blue dress on
Devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress,
Devil with the blue dress on
Wearin her perfume, Chanel No. 5
Got to be the finest girl alive
Lyrics courtesy the Top40db
She walks real cool, catches everybodys eye
Shes got such good lovin that they cant say goodbye
Not too skinny, shes fat
Shes a real humdinger and I like it like that
Shes the devil with the blue dress on, blue dress on, blue dress on,
Devil with the blue dress on
Devil with the blue dress, blue dress, blue dress,
Devil with the blue dress on
Good golly, Miss Monica
You sure like to ball
Good golly, Miss Monica
You sure like to ball
While youre rockin and rollin
Cant you hear your mama call
From the early, early mornin til the early, early night
See Miss Monica rockin at the House of Blue Lights
Good golly, Miss Monica
You sure like to ball
While youre rockin and rollin
Cant you hear your mama call
(medley)
wearing a pearl and diamond ring
devil with a blue dress, blue dress...........
C'mon! Sing it with me, Hillary cheerleaders
Posted by: Not This Time! | March 24, 2008 8:04 PM
Look folks, these petty, bitter, non-constructive, denigrating, self-defeating, tit-for-tat (no pun intended) spats between the Clinton and Obama campaigns are driving Democrats like me looney! I am weary of reading the Internet daily only to discover more about these destructive, financially costly, internecine fights that have come to divide America and pit one American against another, for one reason or another, depending upon what suits either campaign’s fancy for the day! I am weary of Mr. Obama camp’s "shoot from the hip" madness. I certainly am tired of Ms. Clinton’s destruction to the entire Democratic Party at this point in the primary process AND I am weary of her camp’s mean-spiritedness. Let's get this doggone show on the road and elect ONE candidate for the general election SOON or the entire Democratic Party will implode.
Posted by: Mercedes Guynne | March 24, 2008 8:16 PM
Carville is an idiot. I always cringe when he is the spokesman for the Democrats on one of these news shows. I'm so happy to hear that he supports Hillary and hope he continues insulting Democrats who voice their support for Obama. Hillary and Carville deserve each other.
Posted by: Tom O | March 24, 2008 8:23 PM
The bob.bob shows the lunacy of the Loons on the Left.
Mark, will these types of stories appear in the Tribune paper and not just the Swamp?
There is a civil war going on in the Demoncratic party, which has been obvious for some time. That is news, but to date largely ignored by the media.
Anyway, I think it is great. Love watching the Demoncrats implode!
Posted by: John D | March 24, 2008 8:25 PM
Obama should teach Richardson about loyalty. He didn't betray his pastor and his church.
Posted by: hector vazquez | March 24, 2008 8:27 PM
Sandy,
Your desperation is palpable.
Get a grip.
Posted by: Doug "Hussein" Zook | March 24, 2008 8:47 PM
In a democracy, no former elected leader should expect someone who served the country in their administration to be loyal to THEM - that's called a feudal system.
Posted by: ailey | March 24, 2008 8:50 PM
Sen. Barack Obama is a gifted and eloquent speaker. His Tuesday speech on race relations was a beautiful example of his style. It was not a "speech for the ages." Rather, it was a politically expedient attempt to divert attention from the real issue, which is not race relations at all, but rather Sen. Obama's judgment, or the lack thereof, with respect to the inflammatory and polemical views expressed by his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Sen. Obama has made a touchstone of his campaign for the presidency that it is not so much experience that counts, but rather judgment. While experience is much more important than he would have the electorate believe, he is right to focus on judgment as a critical factor in the determination as to whom should be our next president.
If Sen. Obama is the Democratic nominee, as he very well may be, then voters in November should ask themselves not how good his speech was, but rather what kind of judgment has he actually exhibited with respect to the deeply divisive views of the Rev. Wright.
Posted by: Obama Wright Scandal | March 24, 2008 8:50 PM
The Judas comment was out of line. It is in especially poor taste during the Easter holiday. If Richardson is Judas is Hillary Jesus? She may occasionally play the martyr, but I would hardly compare her suffering to a crucifixion. Also, Richardson has every right to endorse who he wants. I don’t see how this can even be construed as traitorous.
Posted by: JaniceM | March 24, 2008 8:54 PM
Why not vote for Joe Schmo? Never heard of Obama until he ran for president. He talks a good talk-but that is all it appears ton be. Look at all the black run cities for your insperation. Is that what you really want for this country? God help us if thai is true.
Posted by: Pumpkin | March 24, 2008 8:57 PM
Carville's comments demonstrate what is wrong about politics - it's all about who did what for you and you better not forget it or vote for anyone else but me, no matter what I might ever do or say anytime in the future and never mind if somebody else comes along and seems to want to do the right thing and you just shoot him down cuz he didn't ever give you a job or money or power or any of those things that are so important to you.
Posted by: bbj | March 24, 2008 8:58 PM
Comparing Richardson to Judas is outrageous -- Hillary Clinton is NO Jesus. Where do they get off? The Clintons threw many people under the bus during their 8 years, they eat their own. Maybe Richardson is just tired of their self-righteous bullying. Like, I dunno, trying to put Hillary on the same level as Jesus. Blasphemy. Just plain nauseating blasphemy.
Posted by: Noreen | March 24, 2008 8:58 PM
Comparing Richardson to Judas is outrageous -- Hillary Clinton is NO Jesus. Where do they get off? The Clintons threw many people under the bus during their 8 years, they eat their own. Maybe Richardson is just tired of their self-righteous bullying. Like, I dunno, trying to put Hillary on the same level as Jesus. Blasphemy. Just plain nauseating blasphemy.
Posted by: Noreen | March 24, 2008 8:58 PM
John D.,
Does it remind you pf your prognostications prior to the election in November, 2006 - or are you thinking (word used loosely here) of something else.
Posted by: Doug "Hussein" Zook | March 24, 2008 9:02 PM
Hillary made one notable effort while 1st. Lady--she tried to make some changes to the health care system. She failed miserably. That is the great "experience" she brings to the job.
End it now, Hillary. for the sake of the party, for the sake of the country and, if you care about such things, for the sake of your legacy.
Your day has passed and a gracious acceptance of the inevitable at least leaves you with some self-respect. Leave now. Leave well. That is never bad advice.
Posted by: whataplace | March 24, 2008 9:05 PM
Why not vote for Joe Schmo? Never heard of Obama until he ran for president. He talks a good talk-but that is all it appears ton be. Look at all the black run cities for your insperation. Is that what you really want for this country? God help us if thai is true.
Posted by: Pumpkin | March 24, 2008 8:57 PM
Hey Pumpkin, who's your mama... in plain talk, who are you shilling for??
Posted by: RosaCA | March 24, 2008 9:09 PM
"You are either with us or against us." Which candidate is most like GWB?
Posted by: Chris Travers | March 24, 2008 9:11 PM
Governor Bill Richardson came out to finally endorse Barrack Obama. Richardson said that Obama’s' speech on race was his deciding factor. The speech showed the leadership qualities Richardson was looking for. I have to agree with Richardson, as he said that, it's time for Clinton to step down, and the Democrats to come together.
Clinton cannot beat Obama’s numbers no matter HOW they parse it. That is an undeniable fact. Clinton’s campaign knows this very well. As Nancy Pelosi (speaker of the house) said, "This is a delegate race, period. If the super delegates turn over the will of the people, it won't be good for the Democratic Party" When Clinton thought she would have it in the bag, after California. Florida and Michigan did not matter to her then. Just like Clinton dismissed the 11 state streak Obama had, because “NONE OF THOSE SATES COUNT ANYWAY”. How “disenfranchised” do those sates feel, by Clinton? What an atrocious thing to say. Clinton goes on to attack Obama this way:
He has not crossed the "Commander in Chief threshold" like John McCain has.
He cannot be trusted to answer the phone at 3am.
His only experience is a speech from 2002.
That he is disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida (even though she agreed to the same rules he did when those states stepped out of line in the primary process).
And, as Bill Clinton intimated , he doesn't love our country, like Hillary and McCain do.
Those are some serious blows against someone in your own party and might seriously hurt his chances of winning the general election. In fact, every day that Senator Clinton stays in the race is another day she spends money damaging Senator Obama. And every dollar she spends is a dollar in John McCain's pocket.
It almost makes you ask - does she want him to lose?
If Obama wins, then Senator Clinton couldn't run again until at least 2016 (unless something goes terribly wrong). At which point, she would be almost as old as John McCain is now. If she's ever going to become president, she has this narrow window.
On the other hand, if Senator Obama sustains serious political wounds going into the general election and winds up losing, then Hillary Clinton is sitting pretty in 2012.
That's how much Clinton cares about the Democratic Party!!
Obama has two former presidential candidates backing him now. They know who has the best chance with the Republicans in Nov.
Just because Obama did not bring up the past with Clinton, do not think the republicans won't.
When the Clintons tax records, Bills' Foundation, and Library funding sources are revealed, it could destroy the party for decades. There is 1/2 BILLION dollars in funding alone to explain! If it were all kosher, it would have been known long ago. There is an ongoing fraud lawsuit in California, which the media has not been reporting as well.
Here is the link to the YouTube video explaining this upcoming fraud trial in California. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_SNCz8YNrE I believe it is April 24th, 2008.
Hillary Clinton cannot be elected under these circumstances.
There will be another time for a woman to run the Whitehouse. It's not this woman, not this time.
Posted by: Martha Davidson | March 24, 2008 9:15 PM
Hillary is no McCarthy. McCarthy did a lot of work in the senate. Hillary has done nothing.
Posted by: Paul | March 24, 2008 9:16 PM
Will The Clinton Duoacracy use their Chinese goons to "Foster" disloyal former cabinet members?
The Clintons should slither back under the Bill Clinton Presidential Library and Massage Parlor.
How long before the records are unsealed and the Clinton's are indicted?
Will Pres. Obama grant pardons?
Will Carville be Bill's cellie?
Posted by: remus | March 24, 2008 9:16 PM
"the 'loyalty oath'"
Richardson is a self-serving disloyal gas bag.
Posted by: Sandy
See, this is why I don't want the Bush-Clinton Monarchy thing I've been railing against since Clinton decided to run.
Those in our government who have decided that Loyalty to the Person is more important than Loyalty to the Constitution and the Nation are the real traitors. Maybe that General was right except than Bill was not McCarthy, more like King George III.
Posted by: Buckley | March 24, 2008 9:17 PM
Richardson did the right thing. Period. End of Story.
Posted by: J in New Hampshire | March 24, 2008 9:18 PM
Obama has already won. The Clintons don't seem to realize it yet!
Posted by: Mark | March 24, 2008 9:18 PM
Richardson twisted arms in Congress to get funds for his polygraph program...
That decision sentenced 15,000 people to degrading four-hour inquisitions...
But his lying doesn't stop there...
Richardson's blatant lying is demeaning not only to the 10,000 New Mexicans who work at Sandia and Los Alamos; he thinks the rest of the citizenry are dupes as well."
ABQjournal dot com, Oct 19, 2002. Google it!
Posted by: BornIntheUSA | March 24, 2008 9:22 PM
That Monica ditty wasn't deemed an over-the-top personal attack? I can't believe this stuff is screened. And for the record, Carville is brilliant, and his labeling the disloyal Richardson a "Judas" was right-on. It's obvious Richardson waited until he thought Obama the winner, then angled for the VP slot.
Posted by: Jan | March 24, 2008 9:25 PM
Richardson twisted arms in Congress to get funds for his polygraph program...
That decision sentenced 15,000 people to degrading four-hour inquisitions...
But his lying doesn't stop there...
Richardson's blatant lying is demeaning not only to the 10,000 New Mexicans who work at Sandia and Los Alamos; he thinks the rest of the citizenry are dupes as well."
ABQjournal dot com, Oct 19, 2002. Google it!
Posted by: BornIntheUSA | March 24, 2008 9:32 PM
Richardson twisted arms in Congress to get funds for his polygraph program...
That decision sentenced 15,000 people to degrading four-hour inquisitions...
But his lying doesn't stop there...
Richardson's blatant lying is demeaning not only to the 10,000 New Mexicans who work at Sandia and Los Alamos; he thinks the rest of the citizenry are dupes as well."
ABQjournal dot com, Oct 19, 2002. Google it!
Posted by: BornIntheUSA | March 24, 2008 9:35 PM
So, Clinton or Obama? Hmmm....let's look at their resumes....relationships with "close advisors".....seems pretty clear: Hillary. Why not jump on a bandwagon of hype? The problem I have with Mr. Obama is his pattern of saying one thing and then distancing himself from those words when the opposite is revealed at a later date. That is called "spin", folks, and certainly not "new politics". It also speaks to his platform of "good judgement". How can it be good judgement to listen to divisive words when you are also running on a platform of "unity", and listen to that for 20 years, just as an aside. How can it be good judgement to have a close friend and political associate whom you used to buy a piece of property with, who was widely known it be under investigation for political fraud and corruption? We have a need and right to know Senator Obama from every angle and what he believes when he talks of equality and a "vision" for America. For voters (or media) to say that Clinton +/or Obama is at fault for the direction the Democratic campaign has headed, is ludicrous and short-sighted. America is a melting pot of races, genders, culture, etc. and we each have a personal interest in seeing "ourselves" in our President. With that connection comes passion and emotional investment. However, it also must be tempered with information about the candidates (good and bad, without negative "label" attached to said information) so that we can make informed choices, rather than only emotionally-driven ones. To Americans: try to take off the blinders of opinion polls, media spin, mud and excitement and remember what this race is really about: Hiring someone to do the toughest and, arguably, most important job on the planet. Being President of the US isn't about speeches, promises and what-if's - it is about who you believe will get up, everyday, and work their butt off for every hardworking American, because they have a track record of that already. That person is Senator Clinton. She has worked hard and diligently for all Americans, and spent years building strong relationships because she has a passionate vision of what America can be, not just because she's running for President. Vetted, intelligent, tested and hardworking. Senator Clinton is the right choice for me in '08
Posted by: sunny florida | March 24, 2008 9:36 PM
LOL, notsandy that youtube clip was good. thanks.
Posted by: Rob | March 24, 2008 9:59 PM
This is just like the Clinton's (and Bush's), if someone is not loyal to them i.e. kowtowing to everything they say or do, then they are compared to Judas and cast aside.
Here's another reason why Hillary has NO CHANCE of "winning" this thing and her cheerleaders on here know it.
THE CLINTON'S ARE LIAR'S AND HYPOCRITES!!!
"During one of the most difficult periods in the presidency of Bill Clinton, he addressed a group of clerics at an annual prayer breakfast in September 1998 just as the Starr report outlining his dalliance with Monica Lewinsky was about to be published".
"Among those in attendance, was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., who is seen shaking hands with Mr. Clinton in a photograph provided today by the Obama campaign. Mr. Wright’s relationship with Senator Barack Obama, as his longtime pastor, has been the subject of considerable controversy in recent days because of incendiary excerpts of sermons Mr. Wright gave at their church, Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago".
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/photograph-of-bill-clinton-and-rev-wright-surfaces/?st=cse&sq=Clinton%2C+Jeramiah+Wright&scp=2
Posted by: Monica | March 24, 2008 10:02 PM
The Clintons are always there when they need you.
Posted by: Matt Ahrens | March 24, 2008 10:09 PM
I agree loyalty to country is first. Isn't that What former Pres. Bill clinton expected in this election? He said it would be good if this election is about people who love this country. Those that respond to changing sides like Gov. Richardson is about love of this country. I know he considered the political and personal ramifications of his action but he was in the side of the truth the way he sees it. As a veteran politician it's amazing that a younger aspiring leader can still inspire him and touch his soul. We need leaders that still do some soul-searching in spite of their experience and try to change based on what the people need. I'm reminded of the adage "only fools don't change their minds". Kudos to all those that support the call for change and those that respond to change.
Posted by: Francis | March 24, 2008 10:23 PM
Did anyone think that perhaps when Bill Clinton mentioned two patriotic candidates that he may have been speaking of Hillary and obama? After all he has said that the two would make an unbeatable team. As usual the swamp jumped to conclusions without finding out what he was talking about. I have not heard the speech just the sound bits, as usual the news doesn't print the whole story just what they want people to read and get the wrong idea.
Posted by: RFB-IL | March 24, 2008 10:23 PM
Richardson couldn't win his own state or the people in his state. So his backing of obama is good for only his one vote. Good luck obama you have a worthless indorsement. He is just hoping you make him your vp if you get the nomination.
Posted by: RFB-IL | March 24, 2008 10:26 PM
To Not this time, stupid beyond belief.
Posted by: RFB-IL | March 24, 2008 10:28 PM
As I said, Richardson is a self-serving, disloyal, gas bag...and ignorant.
Obama's past is catching up with him and it is about time.
Posted by: Sandy | March 24, 2008 10:33 PM
Monica, you are as stupid as your namesake "the slut." It wasn't Hillary that made the Judas comment. It was Carville, the Cliintons had nothing to do with it. And I have to say I fully agree with Carville and his right to say it. I actually thought of Richardson as a traitor looking only to advance his own selfish ambitions. He is a loser. And if obama chooses Richardson as his running mate, buy, buy to both of them.
Posted by: RFB-IL | March 24, 2008 10:40 PM
"She has worked hard and diligently for all Americans" - you've cut and pasted this from before, so before you do it again, how about if you
explain where she got $5 million to lend to her campaign...keep in mind as a Senator she earned $169k a year and Bill earned $200k a year as President...do the math and see if you can find $5million there (especially after taxes...).
We'll all grant you hardworking and intelligent, but vetted (where are those pesky tax returns and library donor lists) and tested, unless you want to count her Bosnia experience under fire...which her campaign (not her) admitted today she 'mispoke' about...what else might she have 'mispoke' about????
Posted by: CTA | March 24, 2008 10:55 PM
To Jan,
Were it the case that Richardson was waiting until he thought Obama was the winner, he would have endorsed him after he won 11 straight primaries in a row. Before the TX primary would have been a real good opportunity.
I think he genuinely struggled with his decision, especially after being strong armed by Big Bill during the Super Bowl.
I'm sure Bill made all kinds of promises to him. Not the least of which would be that he was on Hillary's short list for VP.
Now when Obama is at his lowest point since the campaign began he came out to endorse him. Let us stipulate that if Richardson is Judas, that would make Hillary and/or Bill, Jesus...and we know they are not Jesus.
Richardson should for obvious reasons be on either of these candidates short list for VP. So he really had nothing to gain by endorsing Obama. Why is it so hard to accept his explanation that he just plain did what he thought was best for the party and the country?
Posted by: Miss T | March 24, 2008 11:39 PM
Carville and the rest of the HRC supporters are desperate!
To all the latino voters, note to self: remember how the Clintons threw African-Americans under the bus because they support Obama? Now, you see what they do for the brown-skinned folks too.
Stop wasting your votes on a candidate that only views you as political chattel -- not free-thinking, informed voters. For the HRC campaign to sanction that treatment of Richardson, who PAID BACK the Clintons w/ honorable service to this country as a cabinet secretary and ambassador (unlike President Clinton who provided DIS-honorable service to our country), is reprehensible. Richardson, nor anyone else, OWES the Clintons anything. And for them to think otherwise, and to actually say it, is sad.
Hillary supporters: wake up! Remember all of the reasons you disavowed the Clintons years ago; the CLINTON CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST!
Posted by: BrwnSknGurl | March 24, 2008 11:41 PM
I do get passionate about the Senator Obama, but that does not give me the right to bash someone who chooses Senators Clinton or McCain. We live in a free country and each person has the right to support whomever they choose. This back and forth is unnecessary. Let us please get back to discussing the issues that affect us.
Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2008 11:48 PM
Hillary and her surrogates cannot tell the difference between truth and lies. She did not misspeak on coming under sniper fire. She had told the same lies about the sniper fire with eyes wide open and a bright smile, in public, on over a dozen recorded occasions. This story is one of her claims to her experience making her ready to be commander-in-chief from day one. The 3 a.m. red phone call will lead to disaster for the nation when Hillary, as President, answering it cannot tell the difference between fact and self-engrandizing fantasy. As President, Hillary will lie every day to the American people, just as Bill lied under oath with his hand on the Bible. If she cannot tell the difference between sniper fire and a welcoming poem, can we trust her with our national security? Where is her judgment? Carville views her in the same rank as the Messiah, except HE condemned lying.
Posted by: shirl | March 24, 2008 11:59 PM
First of all, why anyone cares what Carville says is a mystery. He's obviously just another Clinton employee, doing his greasy job. Second, by expecting doglike "loyalty", the Clintons are revealing themselves as corrupt. Always with the quid pro quo, these people.
Posted by: Tungsten | March 25, 2008 12:09 AM
For all Obama supporters, read this:
www.townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/02/14/the_real_obama
Posted by: ED | March 25, 2008 12:17 AM
I find it shocking (although not surprising) that Carville would think that loyalty to Bill should automatically transfer to Hillary AND that loyalty to a person trumps loyalty to what's best for Americans and the United States. Although it might explain that Sopranos political ad, does Carville really think our government is supposed to be modeled on The Godfather? What kind of an American is he, anyway?
I am MORE than ready for Obama's 'new-style politics'.
Posted by: Tom J | March 25, 2008 12:43 AM
Gov. Richardson showed guts and loyalty not to the Clintons but to his conscience and, in that, loyalty to America - not concern over his future career.
The irony is that Bill Clinton was talking about patriotism, but patriotism isn't about loyalty to the Clinton camp.
I don't believe Obama will or ought to nominate Richardson as VP. Not only would it be a bad fit, it would now smell as well.
My guess is that he goes with a more traditional choice - a white male from a Southern state not named Edwards.
Posted by: Bud McFarlin | March 25, 2008 1:44 AM
Poor Bill bottom fishing aren't we now! Et to Brutus! Did you do your homework Bill or just put your name up for the highest bidder ? What do you as an endorser think about Obama the race card player, or did you get HOODWINKED AND BAMBOOZLED LIKE THE OTHER SOUTH CAROLINA FOLKS! They were hoodwinked just like MALCOLM X said they were in Harlem. Maybe you were BAMBOOZLED with the efficiencies of his chairmanship on the sub committee on foreign affairs. You know the committee with NO HEARINGS! Perhaps it was the tight connection with the accountants that keep finding REZKO MONEY in his pockets. I got it , it was that extensive foreign affairs experience he has. Remember the experience you mentioned in the debates you had. ??? What could it have been that convinced you that OBAMA should be put in charge of the most powerful nation in the world?? Once again you must have seen something! What was it BILL? What was it that swayed your vote? How about SELF INTEREST! HOW ABOUT SELF IMPORTANCE!
Posted by: Rick B | March 25, 2008 1:47 AM
I love Carville, but the remark was over the top.
Posted by: jaxon | March 25, 2008 2:12 AM
I love Carville, but the remark was over the top.
Posted by: jaxon | March 25, 2008 2:12 AM
Are you that stupid to believe that he was talking about Hillary and Obama? Give me a break, this man has inserted race baiting into this campaign in such a disgusting manner that the late Republican strategist Lee Atwater is smiling broadly in his grave. Should Hillary Clinton find a way to become the Democratic nominee, not only will I will work on behalf of John McCain but I will also drive Republican voters in DuPage County to the polls. I would never support such a manipulative and calculating candidate for any public office. Furthermore, I believ it is time to target her for defeat in her next Senate race while we're at it. She has clearly shown that she has no interest in living up to being in a position of public trust. There are a lot of much better women to elect president than this scheming bad of crap.
Posted by: DC | March 25, 2008 2:18 AM
"Richardson a JUDAS? and that would make slick Willy...Jonah? After all he DID get swallowed by a Whale!"
Jay Leno | 3/24/08
Posted by: Jim Griffin | March 25, 2008 3:20 AM
America is a great nation, and Americans must grow up, really. In terms of racial behaviour and discourse, Americans seem to remain in the crib and seem to be enjoying life there. Obama has offered the opportunity for a historic spiritual, social and psychological healing. Americans can embrace or reject his prophetic voice. If they choose the latter they embrace the state of political and moral infancy in the eyes of the world. There is a small country in the west coast of Africa. It has a population about 20 million people. It has about 45 diverse ethnic groups. Since her independence from the British empire in 1957, about 180 years after American got her independence from the same British empire. Ghana has managed to embrace her diversity. In this country Christians who are in the majority have lived in harmony with their Moslem neighbours ever since. That small country has managed to avoid the scourge of civil wars which have plagued most her neighbours. She is the first country in Africa to win her political freedom from colonialism. The grave of the first African-American to study in Harvard lies today in Ghana. Kofi Annan, the seventh Secretary-General of the United Nations hails from Ghana. When Obama says Americans too “can”, I think he absolutely right. Dictum sapienti sat es.
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Kally-Williams | March 25, 2008 3:48 AM
Obama, not Hillary Clinton is going to cost him the general election. since the idiot faction in the Party are hell bent upon making a total idiot the nominee, so be it. People are settling scores with the Clintons. Well the score is going to be settled in November when we lose the general election. People we are biting off noses to spite faces. Somebody had better get a grasp on reality before it is too late.
If a white candidate were to refer to "any" member of a minority as a "typical" _____ person, would you support him? I have said it over, and over again. Obama lacks the experience to be president of the United States. Only a total fool would say such a thing. It is going to come back to haunt him, and rightfully so. We are going to lose, and we deserve to. This not the time for freaking on the job training. There is a war going. People are losing everything that they own due to the shape our economy is in. Our health care system is a joke, and we expect the American people to elect some unheard of, untested, outside of Chicago, idiot with a warm and fuzzy "feel good" message...please!
I am not anti Obama, I am just a realist, and the reality is "who the heck is he, and what has he done, other than make a speech at the Democratic National convention?" I have done voter registration. I have worked for the party, elect me President of the UNITED STATES. Put the lives, and well being of your loves one in my unknown hands. At least I am intelligent enough not to refer to you as a "typical" member of your respective races.
As for Richardson, he is just another opportunist, looking for the next opportunity.
P.S before those crybabies cry "racism" I am black, so don't step here with that b.s.
Posted by: anna | March 25, 2008 4:17 AM
Gotta admit that Carville is the most entertaining figure in American politics.
Posted by: Bemused | March 25, 2008 5:13 AM
MYTH: Barack Obama is running a positive campaign that will unite Americans.
FACT: Barack Obama and his advisers have conducted a divisive "full assault" on Hillary's character.
While talking a lot about the politics of hope, change and unity, Sen. Obama and his campaign have been conducting a relentless and singularly personal assault on Hillary's character. They have blanketed big states with false negative mailers and radio ads and have described Hillary and her campaign as "disingenuous," "divisive," "untruthful," "dishonest," "polarizing," "calculating," "saying whatever it takes to win," "attempting to deceive the American people," "one of the most secretive in America," “deliberately misleading,” “literally willing to do anything to win,” and “playing politics with war."
This "full assault" on Hillary's integrity and character has reached a new peak since Hillary's victories on March 4th. One of Sen. Obama's top surrogates equated President Clinton with Joe McCarthy; another called Hillary a "monster;" and his campaign manager held an angry conference call claiming that Hillary is "deeply flawed" and has "character issues." That's neither unifying nor hopeful. If Sen. Obama really is the prohibitive favorite some say he is, these negative attacks make absolutely no sense. Why would a frontrunner seek to attack and divide? If Sen. Obama can't unify Democrats in a primary, how can he unify Americans in a general election?
CNN-Passport exec is Obama adviser, CEO of the company whose employees accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is consultant on foreign policy to the Barack Obama campaign
Obama Flip-Flops
1. Special interests In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support
2. Public financing Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter.
3. The Cuba embargo In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change."
4. Illegal immigration In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."
5. Decriminalization of marijuana While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.
Posted by: obamanation | March 25, 2008 7:14 AM
BILL RICHARDSON ( JUDAS) SELLS OUT LATINOS AND JOINS THE WRIGHT RACIAL DIVIDE AGAINST AMERICANS FOR POLITICAL FAVORS!
OBAMA LOOSES JOBS FOR MINORITIES
Ms. Obama, VP Chicago Hosp, that charges minorities 6 times as much, isn’t cold hearted enough; she also caused hundreds to loose their 11.hr jobs, to be more efficient she said! In 05, elected to the BOD Westchester-based TreeHouse Foods, she received $12,000 and $33,000 from a subsidiaries, in Nov announced closing its La Junta, plant, that claimed the jobs of 153 workers, most of them Hispanic! Huge blow to a rural town jobs paid a starting wage of $11hr, Company pays top execs like MICHELLE OBAMA tens of millions a year while destroying middle-class America. Raises the question not only about corporate values but about Barrack Obama's own values. Specifically, while he bashes Wal-Mart, why does his wife, make $45,000 and up a year serving on the board of Chicago comp that pays her a very hefty amount of money while laying off mostly minority workers in economically deprived areas? No. 1 customer is Wal-Mart???
Obamas attack on middle class and minorities- The Crowns and employees of their family-run holding company have given at least $195,000 to Obama's presidential campaign. Maytag shut the Galesburg plant after Labor Day 2004 Union member say senator did little to save jobs in the blue-collar town of 37,000. Obama connection to Maytag: Lester Crown, company's director’s records show, has raised tens of thousands of dollars for Obama's campaigns. Maytag shut the Galesburg plant after Labor Day 2004.
Black voters are choosing black candidate based on skin color not merit and not what he can do to help our failing country. What a serious shame...we are giving away another election. Thank the media! Obamas speeches address just black voters. The same person who claims he is not running on race? It sure isn’t experience or who is best to run this country. Don’t believe it will work in the general election He truly had divided voters since SC win. No one is so naive as not to think that black resentment towards whites could render Senator Obama unelectable. NOW IT’S TIME FOR THE MEDIA “ (ESPECIALLY BIASED CNN OBAMA NEWS NETWORK ALL THE TIME) TO SCRUTINIZE OBAMA LIKE THEY HAVE DONE TO EVERYOTHER NON-BLACK CANDIDATE. MEDIA HAS FAILED AMERICAN VOTERS
Posted by: Judas Richardson | March 25, 2008 7:17 AM
I am not a HIllary fan but Shouldnt Richardson have to go with Hillary because she won NM. According to the Obama campaign that is how it is suppose to work. Also Bill Clinton is pretty much responsible for Richardsons career. But Obama must have promised him more. This is the real problem I have with the Democrats nomination process. It isnt the will of the people but it comes down to cutting deals with superdelegates for support. Add to that the gross ineptness of Howard Dean and you have a huge mess that they may never recover from. Each day McCain gains more ground on both Obama and Clinton.
Posted by: Vinny | March 25, 2008 9:10 AM
Why that there Richahdson is jus' a paht-a-zan. He pot, pot, paht-a-zan.
Someone tell Foghorn to shut up.
Posted by: Jeff | March 25, 2008 9:17 AM
Oh my, people out there are not following the propaganda that has been spewed over the years by the Clinton machine. They should be ashamed, those backstabbers….
Posted by: BillHill08 | March 25, 2008 10:38 AM
for the sake of the country why cant we find someone to run for president that is all for the country, and not what is in it for them.
Posted by: GUS NENDZE | March 25, 2008 10:39 AM
Question - just being fair how many whites and males voted for the past 43 presidents because they are white and male. This argument is old and stupid. Let's stick to the issues - there are people losing their homes, jobs and American dream. I don't care what color the person is - WHO CAN DO THE JOB? The rest of this 80% of blacks voted for a black is just dumb. How many blacks voted for Kennedy, Carter, Clinton I. Hispanics? Asians? Whites? Again the racial voting this is old... Real issues that affect real people please.
Posted by: Fair | March 25, 2008 10:55 AM
Question - just being fair how many whites and males voted for the past 43 presidents because they are white and male? This argument is old and stupid. Let's stick to the issues - there are people losing their homes, jobs and American dream. I don't care what color the person is - WHO CAN DO THE JOB? The rest of this 80% of blacks voted for a black is just dumb. How many blacks voted for Kennedy, Carter, Clinton I. Hispanics? Asians? Whites? Again the racial voting this is old... Real issues that affect real people please.
Posted by: Fair | March 25, 2008 10:55 AM
Obamanation: Good to see that you are spewing your republican views in a little better tone, but still completely obvious as other posts. How bout you just try and build McCain up and not spread lies about the others?
Posted by: Xcellentform | March 25, 2008 11:52 AM
Carville said, “People called me left and right and said, ‘Whenever I see that guy, I'll can't help but think of that quote.’"
Yes, whenever I see Carville, I'll think of Judas.
Posted by: Jim C. | March 25, 2008 5:08 PM
Check out Rev. Wright's sweet real estate deal at this web site:
www.revjeremiahawrightjr.com
Kenneth Lewis sells the land and then Wright sells it to the church with a 10 million dollar mortgage at 8.2%interest.
Posted by: JanetP | March 25, 2008 5:42 PM
Hillary will say and do anything to become President, period. She doesn't care who or what she has to do or say to accomplish this goal.
Posted by: Ron | March 26, 2008 2:44 PM
America on the verge of meltdown might be the common view of evaluators of the 2008 campaign so far - in that America seems to have lost her interest in loyalty if not hope or change.
Hillary is not the only one, apparently, who refuses to stick by her man...the campaign if rife with deserters.
Captains of every ship on the high seas is all too familiar with mutiny, and the lack of bounty it produces.
That America faces global problems is obvious, not the least of which is whether or not it remains a global competitor with benefits for America, rather than the world.
Job losses, and lack of integral organizations shows America is crumbling like ancient stone walls from its desire to capitalize upon off shore benefits of low wages, and low costs/taxes. Dismantling a nation from the inside out is not a pretty sight, especially with its history of loyalists.
Posted by: Pat | May 6, 2008 9:48 AM