Clintonites: 3 in 10 rather switch than take Obama

Obama and his supporters are reaping what they've sown.

To my mind this only re-inforces the point I made at length below about America's being such a conservative country.

No one with a liberal or progressive mind could even consider voting for McCain.

On top of being quite conservative, he is an angry, unbalanced person, the kind of man you might think would be anathema to a woman wanting to see a woman president.

I think it suggests too how conservative Hillary actually is perceived to be by many of her followers.

And I think they are right.

This cannot be good news for Dem's in the fall , I'm sure Little Johnny Everdumb will find a silver lining though. Oh Johnny.... .come out , come out where ever you are...time to start singing for the DNC.

Democrats from either side who say they'll go for McCain should know exactly what they're voting for -- within the next four years, we're likely to have two new Supreme Court Justices as some of the 'liberal' ones retire from the bench or simply pass on. Voting in McCain is voting in a strong conservative majority on the Supreme Court; young justices who will last for decades.

Think about your views on abortion, citizen privacy & 4th Amendment protections, government transparancy, gay rights, etc and ask yourself if you're willing to throw it all away for the next 20+ years to spite the other Democratic candidate.

You might decide it's worth it. You might decide "I'd rather have a large conservative appointed majoirty than vote for Him/Her!" That's certainly your choice. But you should go into it informed.

Those people are insane if they think a McCain presidency is preferable to either Clinton or Obama. They should just switch parties right now.

I don't believe either number will reflect what happens in November. There may be a few soreheads, but how many Democrats will really vote for four more years of Bush? I've certainly thought about it because I'm not a fan of Hillary. Heck, I might have voted for McCain if he'd won the primary in 2000, but after watching him kiss up to Bush for the last 4 years there's just no way I'd vote for him now.

Lets hope this country sees that Obama and Hillary stand for a weak defense, high taxes and corruption in Washington. I hope the numbers keep going up.

I predict Republicans will take back the Senate, cut the dems lead in the House and keep the White House.

Neither Hillary of Obama will drop out. Dems are in trouble. They are not going to revote in FL or MI. They will keep millions from having their voices heard.

Back room deals made by the dem leadership will split the party. Millions won't even go to the polls in Nov.

This is great for America.

Well, many Obama supporters say they will not vote or vote McCain if superdelegates override the pledged delegates. They say it would be a "stolen" election if that were to occur.

The inability of Michigan and Florida to revote is viewed as a block by Obama and other Dems against Clinton, thus an attempt to "steal" the election.

Want to knock down those numbers? Allow Michigan and Florida to revote.

This is interesting. The appeal of McCain and Obama to me is that they are each "uniters" or people that will clearly work in a bi-partisan, productive manner. My view is that Clinton will represent the polar-opposite of Bush and be a polarizing figure from the left.

I think that Clinton is the worst possible outcome for post-Bush America.

Let Obama win on his own; He is cocky and divisive politician.

I have watche presidential elections since Dwight Eisenhower days to this present day. I have never seen this much coverage toward two Democratic Rivals, and such nastiness; and, the media is fueling 99 per cent of it and often times not balancing for the American people what is truth or fiction. It's a good thing we have MSNBC.

As Shrillary and Barrack have basically identical platforms which are juctapose to the McCain platform, it would seem those willing to change would be doing so for very childish and personal reasons rather that doing what they could to change the course of the government as it is currently. Maybe they'll hold their breath thill they turn blue unless she's nomimated too.

Heaven help us all.

As Shrillary and Barrack have basically identical platforms which are juctapose to the McCain platform, it would seem those willing to change would be doing so for very childish and personal reasons rather that doing what they could to change the course of the government as it is currently. Maybe they'll hold their breath thill they turn blue unless she's nomimated too.

Heaven help us all.

The kind of response identified in the chart comes from heat-of-the-campaign emotion. Once Obama is the nominee, these people will come to their senses. Even Billary will, because it will be in her own interest to fold and to support Obama.

Please stop publishing this crap. You're hurting America.

Stupidity begets stupidity, and hillary is the stupidest of all. If anybody is dumb enough to support hillary, who cares who they vote for. hillary is a cheat, liar and loser. She suddenly attacks Obama's Pastor. How convenient this is in correlation to the article about hillary LYING HER AS* OFF.

It comes as no surprise to me however, that she thinks the Amercian people are as stupid as she is and not see through her crap.

IF you support hillary, find a DSM-IV and look up code "318.2". The DSM-IV is the Diagnostic Tool used by psychiatrists to assess and determine disabilities. It is available at most libraries. Again, 318.2, this describes you to a "T" if you support hillary.
I will blog later for anyone that is unable to look up the code. Or in hillary supporter's case, are unable to read.

This would be typical of a Clinton supporter. Keep in mind that the majority of Clinton supporters are over 45, white women. They are, in essence, my mom. They would rather vote for something similar to what they've been used to for the past 50 years than to see something that could be completely different. They tend not to be risk takers, and this, to them, is a huge risk. Oh, they also tend to be very stubborn about their choice since they "know better" than the Obama backers (who tend to be in the 18-40 crowd, aka: their children).

BTW, Bemused, your comment makes no sense. "Reaping what they've sown"? What does that even mean?!?!?! Go back to your bible class, and leave the voting to those of us who have to deal with the repurcussions for the next 20 years.

That makes it crystal clear - Hillary supporters want to continue Bush's war. They do not believe in the Democratic party and will sacrifice principles for pettiness. Hillary or we destroy the world!!!

This is indicative of how defective Hillary supporters are. She's doing everything to split the party even going so far as to praising the GOP nominee. What it comes down to is Hillary is acting like a spoiled child who felt she was entitled to the nomination and now that she can't, she is throwing a tantrum and is wreaking havoc to get what she wants--not what she deserves.

She is more like the Republicans anyhow (meeting with Scaife) that those who would defect would be more in line with republican beliefs anyhow.

So for someone who says the same lie 4 different times within 3 months, due to sleep deprivation, how can she be trusted to have good judgment at 3 am?

How can Hillary not be the nominee?

I've been linking this report for two days and shocking incredulous lefties with it in the mccainocrats vs. obamacans thread.

Chuckman, for the last time if we wanted Canada's opinion on this "conservative country" we'd tell them what it is and then have them parrot it back to us like a good little pet.

I'm a city employee and Obama might fool people in other parts of the country but he isn't fooling anyone in Chicago.I will never vote for him because he supported our corrupt Mayor Daley.If he is elected you will see all investigations into city hall stop and that other phony Bill Daley in a powerful cabinet position in the White House.You think those city contracts are corrupt now just imagine Obama in the White House and Daley dishing out Olympic contracts to his friends.The people in Chicago can't let that happen.

should Sen Clinton win the nomination many Obama supporters won't vote at all...I'm just sayin'

Why wait switch now!!!You are not a true Democrat anyway if you are thinking about switching. It amazes me how we say we are focused on the ISSUES economy, healthcare, education and the war when you are so willing to choose someone who is not identifying with you these very topics. Instead you are being naive in focusing on tabloid publicity sound bites being distractedby all the posturing. Again I say SWITCH NOW HYPOCRITES

Bemused wrote: "Obama and his supporters are reaping what they've sown."

Sounds more like Hillary supporters whining and stamping their feet. Obama is winning this election, fair and square. It'ś Hillary who tries to change the rules (first agreeing that FL and MI wouldn't be counted, then later demanding that they should be). It's Hillary who lies about experience, who lies about gunfire in Bosnia. It's Hillary who calls those who don't vote for her "latte drinkers" and "boutique states" (recycling Republican class-warfare buzzwords).

Hillary is reaping what she has shown. She's finished. She has no chance of winning this election, and her slash-and-burn style has made her a pariah.

Given that Hillary and Obama's platforms are not significantly different, and that Hillary holds a significant lead in supporters with low levels of education, this poll shows the stupidity of those who would vote for McCain should Obama be the Dem candidate. Really mature and inforned these people, eh?

The question was misleading by not including an option of "or would you not vote at all". As opposed to Hillary's big donations from large donors, Barrack has built his campaign on countless donations from ordinary folks, including young voters. I foresee a lot of democratic no-shows as measured by donations and votes in the general election if Hillary gets the nomination.

Great job, Billary! Your ego's and entitlement will give the whitehouse back to the Republicans!

"Come November, with Democrats motivated to reclaim the White House and Democrats turning out in record numbers in this year’s primaries, the numbers may tell a different story."

Also, according to that poll at least 20% of Republicans will either not vote or vote for the Democrat. Sort of evens things out.

How can Obama unify all the races when Latinos, Asians, Jews and all other minorities (except blacks) vote against him? He reminded me of the former New York City black Mayor, David Dikins. Everybody was excited with the first black mayor back then and expected he could solve racial problems better than whites. Wrong! The Dikins administration had the most racial tension, and in fact, the administration spent all the time fighting racial issues and got nothing done. As a result, high unemployment rate, high crime rate. You can ask any New Yorkers to tell you about those bitter time. His administation probably is the worst in New York City History. Obama is nothing better, only he bring this to the national level. If you don't believe, look at how he forced to address the racial issues and how he divided all races despite his call for unity, and he's only the presidential candidate. I'm just afraid if he's the president, the "change" he would bring is too much for America to bear.

Fools! Welcome to at least 4 more disastrous years chasing shadows in Iraq. Good chance of a war in Iran as well. Hey, here's a thought for you all. The return of the draft! Don't be so naive to think it can't happen!

Hillary can't win, and should exit now. McCain has all the time in the world to find the strongest possible running mate and gameplan for November, while Obama has to fight his own Party day in and day out. Here's how the VP process should -- and still can -- work, on both sides:
http://digits.hrblock.com/ssDigits/digits.php?rType=1&sPath=1140&sNode=1140&uId=198

Stick a fork in Hillary. She's done.

I don't know why this kind of polling are done right now. We have six months till November. Remember by the early polling for primary we should have Mayor Gulliani representing Republican party and Sen Clinton for Dem by no contest.
I hope this kind of polling would stop because they are meaningless.
And Americans are the most forgiving people in the world and Democrates will forgive and will be behind either one of them.

I don't want Hillary to be the nominee, but if she somehow manages to steal it away, I will still vote for her, for one reason: The Supreme Court.

We cannot risk getting 1-2 more Alitos on the bench.

If the Clinton - Obama war goes on the Democratic Party will be split in November and John McCain will win the presidency. With all the major issues on their side only the Democrats can blow this election. But they have done this before and have not learned from their past mistakes. Some Democrats still believe they are superior and smarter (especially some Obama supporters) than their political opposition. They have the attitude that the Republican Party is led by a jerk. But on election day the Democrats continue to lose presidential elections like in 2000 and 2004. Although the election is almost eight months away and politics that is eternity, the 2008 race could be a big McCain victory if the Democrats do not get their act together.

brigitte sanz said,
"How can Hillary not be the nominee?"

Because she does not have the votes.

Hillary has no concern for anyone but Hillary.
She will do or say whatever she has to to garner votes.

I'd vote for Chelsea before Hillary.

By the by, I'm republican, I will vote for Obama if he wins the nomination, otherwise it's McCain.

I'm all for unity if it was indeed 'change I could believe in' but Obama's past and present loyalty to racist ministers, separatist churches, and contempt for his own white relatives is a little too much for me. So, no, I will not vote for Obama in November or ever. And that 30% voter ratio is actually more like 60% because it includes people that will also either sit out the GE if she's not the nominee or write Hillary's name in.

Again I say the world is in terrible pain....I'm a staunch Hillary supporter but I'm worried about all the hate and egregious rhetoric being spewed in these post by both Hillary and Obama's backers. People, get a grip, enough with the hate and bitterness. Before this country can change, it looks like we the people need to change first.

message to hillary supporters:

if you haven't already, please read david brooks' op-ed in the new york times.

then try to figure out a way to explain why anyone should trust your candidate after she was caught BLATANTLY FABRICATING a story, designed to show people she's tough and battle-tested, that was directly refuted by news footage.

this wasn't her misspeaking. saying you landed at la guardia instead of jfk is misspeaking. regaling reporters with a detailed account of something that never happened is called LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH.

after you've read brooks' op-ed and figured out a way to justify her bosnia remarks, please report back here and tell us what you've learned.

Seriously, if you were a democrat for Florida or Michigan why, after having your primary vote disenfranchised, would you have confidence in this party in the Fall? ESPECIALLY if you're a Clinton supporter.

The Dem circular firing squad hard at work. If I've made it 8 years through GWBush, I can live through 4 with McCain.
I just hope he doesn't get crazy and start something with Iran.
Can't wait until this one's over. It's fun though, watching the Billary machine go kicking and screaming, throwing everything around the Democratic National room on their way out.

I don't buy this poll. If Hillary steals the nomination away from Obama, the backlash would be much greater. Did the poll make sure those "Clinton supporters who would vote McCain over Obama" weren't those Rush Limbaugh Republicans who are crossing over to vote Clinton?

This poll could also be Hillary's fault. Despite being too far behind, she continues to attack Barack and split up the party.

Despite John McCain's questionable Conservative views I believe he has better ethics than Hillary. She'll do anything to win.

Some required reading on what's ahead:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/opinion/25brooks.html?em&ex=1206676800&en=4d359d72887c4776&ei=5087%0A

I didn't need a poll to tell me that racism will drive Clinton supporters to McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee!

How can Hillary not be the nominee?

Because she will NEVER have the numbers necessary. The only way she can even hope to compete is to 'do a Tonya Harding on Obama'.

Those must be Ferraro Democrats.

I would definately vote for Obama first, but McCain over Clinton second (if that option was not available).

Acutally, I would probably write-in Barack Obama anyway because I don't believe in either of the other candidates.

When it comes time to vote, any democrat willing to vote for McCain will have to jistify voting to continue the war in Iraq. As an Obama supporter I can't justify a vote to continue this foolish course of action. I may not like Clinton, but I hate war.

Obama supporters on the blogs have been extremely insulting to both Clinton and Edwards supporters (see Rob S for an example). What they don't seem to realize is that Obama will need the votes of those supporters should he get the nomination.

They would rather vote for something similar to what they've been used to for the past 50 years than to see something that could be completely different.

Since both Clinton and Obama draw from the same pool of advisors and take money from the same people (Clinton from PACs, Obama directly from the people who give money to PACs - more than a bit disingenuous), how could Obama be "completely different"?

Part of the reason that the fighting between the two has grown so nasty is that there are only minor ideological differences between the two and so they can't argue policy. Neither completely represents my views, yet I would choose either over McCain.

As an independent I would much rather see McCain than watch Hillary steal the nomination from Obama with lies and deceit. If she didn't use every dirty political trick I would think differently. It speaks volumes of someone's character if that a person will stoop to the lowest level of deceit to reach a personal goal. It seems her reasons are completely selfish. Her actions have proved to me that she is someone who isn't trustworthy at the very least. She comes across as “It's her way or the highway”, someone should inform her this isn't a dictatorship.

The hate that Hillary CLinton supporters get from the Obama supporters is one reason why this is happening. Look at the comments from Obamas supporters on this site. We are called crazy, stupid, petty, etc... Not to mention all the names she is called. I hope both sides can stop this name calling and focus on what is best for our country. Democrats 08!!!

"How can Hillary not be the nominee?"

Do you have any understanding of what a popular vote and delegate count means Brigette? Perhaps you are too young to have begun math classes yet.

Obama leads by substantial margins in both categories and is narrowing the gap with the super delegates at a healthy clip.

Obama has the confidence of the majority of Democratic voters. This is not some hallucination. This is reality, which some voters have a hard time living in. Do not attempt to dismiss the majority of Democratic voters as some sort of anomoly.

I find it very telling that 30% of Hillary supporters are so headstrong and pompeous that they will forego the Democratic agenda to spite the other candidate. They are, after all, very similiar in their platforms.

But we can expect nothing less of Hillary supporters as they follow lock-step in the mean spirited, power craving, win at all costs personality of their leader.

Unbelievable stupidity on the part of the Clinton supporters, or arrogance.

Despite all of their rhetoric, they are essentially saying that they'd rather have four more years of Bush policies than ANY type of change.

What can they be thinking?

Maybe this is the Ralph Nader supporters they were actually talking to.

Gee, I remember way back in the mists of 1999 when alot of Democrats wanted to distance themselves from Gore and his Clinton connection voting for Bush with the excuse, "Well, how much harm could he do?" I guess we all have the answer to that now.

I guess those Clinton supporters who think her mind is OK when she "mis-remembers" her and Chelsea being shot at are fine with an old guy who probably also has memory problems.

I like to see a poll of how many people can't remember whether or not they've ever been shot at (under sniper fire) and had to "duck and run". It takes a very poor mind to not remember something like that.

OR, maybe she's just lying (again.)

Ever since Hillary realized that she was not going to glide right into the nomination and the presidency, she has waged a disgustingly negative campaign. With her daily attacks on Barack Obama, we've all lost track of where she really stands on the issues or where she plans on taking this country.

Hillary and Bill have done irreparable damage to their legacies. It's truly sad to witness this couple's fall from grace.

The democratic party must decide to count votes of Florida and Michigan either by revoting or counting vote of Florida & revoting Michigan (Obama was not on the list there). This MUST be done very quickly, otherwise republican will continue white house next four years also.
I think this is VERY VERY important for demcrats.
The party leadership should not be foolish enough to hold the ground by the rule they set earlier. If that happens, the blem will go to the party leadership, and not the candidates or the demcrat voters.

Not surprising that Hillary's bigot brigade would so easily flip. Given most of her 50+ female supporters fled the cities in terror in the 1970s the minute the first successful black or hispanic family could afford to buy a house on their block...I know, god love her, that's what my grandma did and she supports Hillary/McCain. I think most people under 40 have these "skeleton" relatives tucked away and I for one am so glad Barack is confronting this head on. I'm tired of apologizing for my grandmother. It's time to get past this generation and create a new American political landscape. Maybe we can vote to put both McCain and Hillary in a nursing home this fall.

Ugh. Obliquely making fun of intellectually challenged people by referencing the DSM-IV - how very progressive. I'm beginning to think that lefties and neocons are equally nasty. I don't think any of these candidates (or any of their constituents) represents a fiscally conservative, anti-war view. What about the 40% of us in the middle?

Not Really For Either said: "Obama supporters on the blogs have been extremely insulting to both Clinton and Edwards supporters (see Rob S for an example). What they don't seem to realize is that Obama will need the votes of those supporters should he get the nomination."

That's how I felt when Hillary Clinton started mocking me for voting for Obama and telling me that I was brainwashed, waiting for a choir of angels to save me and that I needed to "get real". Apparently there's no chance that I made my decision via intelligent reasoning, I was just a blind devotee.

I'm not sure what she hopes to gain by insulting people who don't agree with her or think someone else might be better for the job.

Billary ("I never had sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky !") and Obama and the Democratic (BOY ! There's a misnomer !) Party and the rest of the loony left always say the same thing: " Just because socialism failed in the Soviet Union doesn't mean it can't work here ! :) "

Billary ("I never had sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky !") and Obama and the Democratic (BOY ! There's a misnomer !) Party and the rest of the loony left always say the same thing: " Just because socialism failed in the Soviet Union doesn't mean it can't work here ! :) "

Well since the 28% would rather see a republican take the office, they will get what their hand calls for. So what if they cut off there nose to spite their face. They will still be singing the same old blues four years down the road!

If Senator Obama receives the democratic nomination and loses the general election, I am sure Senator Clinton will be blamed by the Obama supporters. If Senator Clinton were to receive the nomination, I am certain the African American supporters of Obama will resent her so much they will not vote. Either way, both Senator Clinton and Bill Clinton will probably never regain support from the majority of African Americans---which is a shame.

P.S. As a Hillary supporter, I'm offended being called idiotic, stupid, infantile, etc. because I will vote for McCain beore Obama. As a 25 year old Black Chicago Male, I will never vote for Obama because I simply believe he is not qualified to be commander and chief of this great nation. I may disagree with McCain's politics, but I do believe he is qualified for the job. It's as simple as that.

Who is Hillary fooling by attacking Rev Wright . Her attack only goes to reinforce the popular view that " Hillary will do anything to get elected". What Hilary should have done is to advance the discussion begun by Obama on race relations and the whole notion that the Americans are "One People, One Nation" . But of course does she care less whether race relations iprove or deteroriate as long as she gets elected?
In all this, I see John MacCain writhing his hands gleefully and saying.....Go on..go on . Come Nov, the Democrats will beautifully hand the presidency to the Republicans without a fight. But again, does Hillary care a hoot who gets it, if it's not her?

Ever since Iowa, Obama supporters and the slavish press have called for Clinton to drop out. Millions of Democratic voters since then have disagreed...but the press ignores those millions - and insults their choice.
I have voted Democratic all my adult life, but if Obama is the nominee I will sit this one out.
He's where he is by winning caucuses in such key states as Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and North Dakota...states that will never go blue. Clinton carried the states needed to win this thing, but the press is so in the tank for Saint Barack they count Idaho as equal to California.
Good luck with all that when November rolls around.

The question is what states these people are from. If most of them are from reliably blue states, or reliably red states, who cares? We only want to know what the dems in the battleground states think. Why does Gallup do national polls when that's not how we elect our presidents? You have to do it state-by-state, otherwise it's meaningless. And you need to include info on how many independents and republicans would cross over to vote for Clinton or Obama.

I just walk in, punch the Republican tab, and walk out. No muss, no fuss.

"Democrat's" weak on Defense. Where did this lie form? Democrat's are Tax Spend; another lie. The Truth: Democrat's realize, that the weapons we have now can destroy the whole world a million times over so Democrat's want to maintain a powerful force but not drain all our resources in Defense. The Republicans on the other hand, is always trying to create Democracy in every independent country and causing trouble so they only know Foreign Policy. Democrat's will reduce spending; for example the 612 billion going to Iraq and Bush's CEO buddies pockets, and re direct that money to have a work program where the unemployed can work on environment jobs; create a Health care system whereby, Americans can be insured to pay rising Health cost; re-build our infrastructure's: bridges, Dams, highways; in essence, Democrat's will improve our Domestic Policies and also, stabilize our Foreign Policy. The Republicans do little or nothing with American Foreign Policy but give "lip" service. What the hell are Americans paying taxes for? Is it to pay foreign goverments a Welfare Check every month like we give Israel, Jordan, Eygpt, and hundreds of other countries. When is our National government going to stop spending our tax dollars on everyone else- but not us? Isn't giving these foreign governments money Welfare? But, to give us Health Care like France and Canada and England has is asking for our government to do to much with our tax dollars.

And if America want's the government and social framework of our country to go back to pre-1960 vote in McCain so he can put on the Supreme Court Justices who are Right Wing Zealots so we can have Rush Limbough on every television and radio station. Perhaps they will legalize Lynching again. This election is very important. With McCain, more Iraq war, and even possible conflict with Iran; North Korea, and China and the Soviet Union. Make up your mind folks. I'm voting Democratic.

These people are unreasonable and are obviously not thinking to clearly. I am an Obama supporter, but I would much rather see Clinton in the White House than McCain on any day of the week. If somehow she ends up with the nomination, I will bitterly vote for her for that very reason. There is no need to cut off our noses to spite our face now is there?

When I told my brothetr I was an active Obama supporter, he lowered his head and whispered to me: When THEY get into the privacy of a voting booth, THEY won't vote for a Black man.

That ruined my day.

I have not always been as strong a Democrat as now. That is because the past eight years I have seen a President that cared little for the majority of Americans and a Republican congress that have done everything possible to support him up despite the needs and wishes of the majority. This has been a group that has placed power and party over people time and time again. I think it is very necessary to defeat the Republicans so soundly, they will be forced to give reflection to what went wrong and to understand their purpose of existance is for people and not the other way around.

I see Clinton the better answer for beginning and continuning the effort to clean up the bush/Republican mess. However should Obama rather than Clinton get the nod, I would hope all true Democrats as well as Independents and disgruntled Republicans stand together with an Obama vote. We cannot elect more of the same with McCain. Should this happen, it would be bush all over and we just cannot afford more of the same in running this country.

If you believe this country has been harmed and needs proper leadership to get us back on the correct way, giving into individual dislike and bringing back Republican leadership because of it, tells me America's best interest is not important to you.

I'm among the 28% who will switch rather than vote for Obama and it has little to do with race or party loyalty. I simply don't trust Obama, don't buy his feel-good talk, and concerned about the lack of any real experience. He's never run any large organization. Past presidents that have had "no experience" had at least run state governments or large organizations like armies. They knew what it took at the most senior level to run a massive organization - Obama does not. I'm indifferent between Clinton and McCain since both have had much more relevant experience than Obama. I liked McCain the last time around, but he's had a few senior moments lately. He's been enough of a maverick that I think he would buck the status quo if something better was presented. We'll have to see what he does for a VP.

It absolutely blows my mind that there is actually a contest between the republicans and the democrats! I am flabbergasted that approximately half of this country would vote for McCain and have thus elected to wage war on every country in the Middle East. very sad indeed. The war in Iraq has cost us trillions of dollars, and what do we get for that? A weaker economy! I'm shocked by how stupid Americans truly are.

It is as indicative of how Obama supporters are, keep in mind soiled wealthy know it all brats, as it is indicative of how Hillary supporters are.

Notice it only talks about a percentage of Hillary supporters willing to do this. It talks about a percentage of Obama supporters willing to do this. I know that the Obama network likes to typify, but it is rather dis ingenious to label the motivations of a whole group based on the motivations of a percentage.

And, YES, Obama is reaping what he has sown. He did not make winning over the Democratic party his first mission. His first mission was to bridge some type of divisiveness between Democrats Republicans. His ticket was aimed at disenfranchised Republicans and Independents. By reaching out to Republicans and Independents first over Bush AND Clinton, Obama also reached over a portion of his party. He decided to reach out to Republicans, accommodating their viewpoint, and in that moved away from the Democrat party to now have to go back and unite the party he belongs to.

This poll means nothing. When it comes down to it, they'll pull the lever for Obama. The same is true, though to a slightly lesser extent with Obama supporters should Clinton get to nod.

Obama the Uninformed Socialist and Hillary the Entitled One supporters can be so nasty sometimes. (same type of people who light mansions on fire to protest environmental causes...real smart)

Obama and his tax-'em for everything they got and spend it all attitude is the product of his experience in Chicago (gotta love it here, everything is taxed and regulated). Micromanagers and tax raisers are caused by an inability to confront and tackle the tough work of cutting inefficient and proven-to-not-work socialist programs.

Obama and Socialism 08 yay!!

...with Socialism for all and Handouts for some.

HA HA HA HA!!! Bunch of divided and conquered liberals!!!

Wake-up America. A vote for O'Bama is a knee-jerk reaction against Bush; an ill-informed vote at that. He's not done a good job for Illinois (he's always looked beyond his "current" job as Junior Senator), he is where he is today by default (whatever happened to Jack Ryan?) and he simply says what he thinks people want to hear without any regard or knowledge about what it will take to get there. Go ahead, elect him. I'd suggest you get ready for a bumpy ride however!

It may be 19% of Obama supporters who would vote for McCain if Hillary were the nominee but you didn't poll the other 81% of Obama supporters who wouldn't vote at all, who would stay home rather than vote for Hillary Clinton!

Viewing the posts by the Obama supporters regarding this subject and others, I can't help but notice the hubris and condescension that they display towards any one who disagrees with them or Obama.After Iowa Obama and his followers were demanding that John Edwards immediately leave the race because he was in Obama's way to the nomination.This despite the fact that there were many more primaries to be held and the fact that Iowa is one of the smallest and most homogenous states in the country.When Obama couldn't close the deal in New Hampshire and lost to Senator Clinton, per the Obama people, it wasn't that the voters in N.H. felt that Clinton was a better candidate. Oh no, it was the "Bradley Effect".When voters express a genuine concern about Obama's ever changing story about his financial and personal relationship with Tony Rezko, the Obama people tell us "to move along" and that there is nothing there. Yet each time Senator Obama is pressed on the issue, the amount of money that Rezko directed towards Obama's campaign keeps growing; with the last count being in the six figures.They demand transparency from the Clinton campaign, yet when reporters request information regarding the number of fund raisers that Rezko held for Obama, Obama refuses to answer. The same regarding his papers and records from his time in the Illinois Senate.When voters state that they do not feel that Obama would be the best person for the Presidency, the Obama campaign and their followers accuse those with legitimate political differences as racists.The scenario is already being laid down by the Obama campaign and its followers that if obama is the Democratic nominee and he loses to McCain, it won't be due to the voting public choosing McCain over Obama for which ever reasons the voters choose, but rather because of Senator Clinton.Hubris has caused the fall of many people and empires.The Obama campaign and it followers would be wise to take note.

***HILLARY VOTERS FOR McCAIN***

I'm for Hillary, and believe Obama had no business running with his juvenile resume in the first place.

I believe this poll because even before the primary season started, myself and friends who backed Clinton said we would vote for McCain if Obama won the nomination.

I believe we will start the "Hillary Backers for McCain" movement if this newbie is our democrat nominee!

It isn't that I'm so die-hard. It is that I find Obama so totally appalling. I don't want to be petty or insulting. But the company Obama has kept in the last years is creepy, and his state and US Senate records are hardly comforting, either, if you do your homework. Shoot, even Kennedy and Dodd have had to put him in his place for slacking, and trying to take credit for things he didn't do.
At least with McCain, I feel like I know what I'm getting, even though I don't agree with a lot of his beliefs.

Why do people keep blaming Hillary and Barack for the Michigan and Florida screw-ups? Those states did it to themselves. Barack at least played by the rules and didn't campaign there.

The fact that some Dems would vote for McCain is a reflection on how bad the Bush years have been -- ANYONE seems better.

I just hope these people come to their senses and think about the issues.

Jim H: Obama got where he is "by default," huh? Seems you've forgotten that Obama was ahead of Jack Ryan in the polls by 20% when his divorce papers put the final nail in his coffin.

At first glance, the Swamp appears to be populated mainly by Bears-Packers fans with their usual goofy arguments. Closer inspection reveals 80% who post here aren't that mature. The petty arguments are similar to the screaming of my two very young grandsons.

The only way that Clinton will be able to snatch the nomination away from Obama is to continue to use divisive, nasty tactics in the hopes of trying to keep the remaining superdelegates from supporting Obama. Reid, Pelosi, Gore, Kennedy and others including Howard Dean, who is appearing more incompetent and inept with each passing day, need to step up, back a candidate and focus this campaign on McCain. Reid is still saying this will work itself out before the convention. That is stupid. They just don't want to be put in the position to have to solve this. It needs to be worked out now so that resources can be targeted on the Republicans in the general as opposed to our own party. We have WEAK leadership in the Democratic party right now.

Here is the problem with your poll. I am African-American and in my community and on Black radio station across the the country the word is if Clinton gets the nomination we will not vote at allSo there is a third element you neeed to look at as well.

Nineteen percent by Obama supporters is also remarkable.
Why not mention that in your caption???

It's just another ridiculous poll. Am I the only one noticing that half of these polls mean nothing? How many exit polls have been dead wrong lately? I lived in Dupage county and back in 2006 I voted for Tammy Duckworth. There was a CNN poll that came out only a week before the election that had her up by double digits over Roskam. Guess who won???

Whole lot of posturing going on, both in the poll and the comments. Wonder how many of these "I'd rather.." people are the same ones that swore they were moving to Canada if Bush won a second term. Until you step into that booth and commit your vote, it's all just wind.

Hil had this thing sewn up but acted like an untouchable incumbent instead of a hungry newcomer. Then Barry had this thing sewn up until he was outed by his friends and then strayed from his "above the fray" approach and started name-calling and opponent bashing.

If Hil would have gone after the nomination aggressively in the beginning, this would have been over long ago. If Barry would have stayed away from the name-calling and bashing, he could have put his current problems behind him. They both had it in their hands and lost it. Neither deserves to win anything.

This is just fear mongering. Remember a majority of these "switchers" were behind Bush and for the Iraq War. Don't forget also that 20% of American are racist. I'm fine with them going to the Republicans. We will still win. Who needs em.

To "not really for either":

Obama supporters on the blogs have been extremely insulting to both Clinton and Edwards supporters (see Rob S for an example). What they don't seem to realize is that Obama will need the votes of those supporters should he get the nomination.

Where in my post do I mention that I support Obama? I do not recall giving him a nod. The post was simply to help people realize that hillary is the worst choice.

I read a reply yesterday saying "give her a break. She has been campaigning and is tired". Well, to use her own terms, what will happen when the call comes in at 3:00 am, and she is tired.

hillary wins, USA loses.

It is funny to me that Hillary wants to run America and the White House and while being first lady in the White House she couldn't control her own husband. It would be a big mistake to allow the Clintons in the White House again. If the Clintons couldn't do the right thing the first time why would they do the right thing now. I believe with Gov. Spitzer being friends with the Clintons and men talk that Bill is in the same sex ring or another one. Just because you are the former President's wife does not automatically give her all this experience that she keeps embellishing about. I believe if you want to know more about the Clintons ask Monica Lewinsky amd all of Clintons other women. He probably shared more with them than Hillary in regards to being President and therefore should Monica Lewinsky be able to run for the Presidency because she was with the former President.

I'm tremendously tired of this campaign. It's ugly business. From what I know, here and now, McCain is the lesser of three evils. The dems golden opportunity to seize control of the executive branch is failing miserably. Here we have a lying conniver willing to say ANYTHING, and another person in close association with a vitriol filled, anti-american pastor. (I'll never get over the fact that Wright married Obama and baptisted his children) As I type, JM is talking international policy, while the two dunder head dems just toss dirt at each other. What a sham, what a shame.

Hillary needs to drop out now - for the good of the party and the nation.

Sour Grapes... it will fade.

SERIOUS ABOUT HEALTHCARE? Wouldn't you think that a Presidential candidate like O'Bama who has been preaching the importance of healthcare for all in this country might want to consider quitting smoking? It's hard to hear him go on and on about the importance of healthcare and then to see him light a cigarette later on. Not really someone I want my children looking up to as a role model. By the way, isn't nicotine (a poisonous alkaloid C10H14N2 that is the chief active principle of tobacco and is used as an insecticide) classified as a drug?

This is all very interesting, but there is another factor to consider. I am not a Democrat and so I don't fit in this profile, but I have voted for Obama in the primary and will vote for him in November. Hillary will NOT be getting my vote.

There are a lot of us Independents and dissatisfied Republicans that the Democratic party will lose if Clinton is the candidate in November. Good luck to them then.

I will be voting for Nader.

In spite of what the DNC and RNC would like to believe, most voters are neither liberal nor conservative. They vote for candidates that they like and trust. That's why most voters split thier tickets. McCain has a history of reaching out to the other side, so its not inconcievable that many of those who support Clinton or Obama would see McCain as their second choice.

Apparently they can really care less about the war and the lives that are being lost everyday. That's pretty sad.

I am one of that 28% and I can tell you why - Obama is a Black Shrub - arrogant, demeaning, out of touch with the vast majority, hateful, looks down at people, and basically is pathologically narcissistic and manipulative. We do not like charming men. They suck. he has a split personality. I do not have the stomach to vote for Obama. He daily puts Hillary down for stuff she never did or that he has done himself in secret. He sucks. He teaches hate just like Bush. I just hope more Americans can catch on to how hatefull he is. I would never vote for him.

Well, as an Obama supporter, it's good to know that only 3 in 10 wouldn't vote for Obama; so that means SEVEN would vote for Barack ... YEA!!! Here's the flipside of your story: of all the Obama supporters I know & have asked the question, "What will you do if the Dem Nom is stolen from Obama and given to HRC?", the answers are: 1) vote for McCain, or 2) not vote at all in November.

HILLARY HUCKABEE, it's time to quit the race.

Hi. I'm a lifetime Dem. Wont vote for McCain over Obama. Maybe Nader...but not McCain.

Why do all the Hillary backers think she will end the war in Iraq? Shoot she and her husband got us into Bosnia with no exit strategy and we are still there after 10+ years. Why are there no democrats crying about leaving Bosnia? Bosnia is a bigger botch up than Iraq will ever be.

Don't even get me started on Obama. He wants to invade one of our allies Pakistan to get Osama Bin Laden. That'll go really over really well with the American Public.

I've talked to a number of folks who say they "don't trust" Obama. While I don't think it's overt racism per se (though it probably is for some people), I do think there is a fear of difference and newness. Obama is a different kind of candidate, not just in terms of his racial composition, but with a distinctive name, and an atypical demeanor and speaking style.

Hey Obamites. I am not racist. I am not a Ferraro Democrat. I am not conservative. I have never voted Republican, and I never will. I am well educated. I am black. And I am progressive. But I will not vote for Obama either. You guys are so hateful that you label people who do not support Obama uneducated and racist. I guess that will drive us to the polls to support your candidate. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Oh, TIM, how soon we forget: "Jack Ryan hoped to succeed retiring Republican Peter Fitzgerald in the United States Senate. On March 16, 2004, he won the Republican primary, thus pairing him against Democrat Barack Obama. However, after allegations from his ex-wife, he withdrew his candidacy on June 25, 2004, and officially filed the documentation to withdraw on July 29, 2004. As his support continued to decline, Ryan withdrew from the race on June 25, 2004, less than a week after the custody records were opened, and Ryan officially filed the documentation to withdraw on July 29, 2004. The same party leaders who called for Ryan's resignation controversially chose Alan Keyes as Ryan's replacement in the race; Keyes lost to Obama, 27% to 70%. This allowed Obama to stroll into the Senate without any real opponent. Jack Ryan was ahead in all the polls before he dropped out."
Chicago Tribune.

Hillary is the 'comeback kid' She's a true fighter, a real surviver. She'll find a way to come back and win the nomination and the Presidency.Go Hillary!!

For all you scardy cat anti Obamas, the lone president doesn't have all the power you think. He must share power with other branches of government. So, stop acting like if Obama is president he'll direct 600 billion going to Iraq to give to Kenya. Dang are you people that stupid? The congress has to vote on Bills passed, and what President Bush has done to go against the majority of the American people on Iraq and other polices, I'm sure Barrack Obama would be a president who would be a "people's" President for all the people. And if Obama lose to Hillary, I'm voting for HIllary. A Democrat is better than a Republican and either Hillar or Obama has 4 years in the White House to win over which ever candidate loses.

I think that Obama is going to have to tackle the Democratic Rednecks of this county. They are all through the north, south, east and west. The NASCAR folks, the fisherman, the WWF folks, and so on. Let me explain something, and let me be very clear, they may have been Democrats until now. With the Wright stuff and Obama's mean white people approach, it is impossible for him to accommodate these folks. They know the real story and remember what has happened. Affirmative action set the poor whites aside so the black folks could get in front of the line. And what is going on today. A National Black caucus. What? The have kept silent hoping to help the nation. In the past they have embraced the Democratic Party also in an attempt to vote against the corporate greed and inequalities. But now, with so many businesses in the dumps and so many factories closing, those thoughts are beginning not to hold water. Remember, these people are Democratic voters. Obama needs to bring out the truths about what has happened since the 60s and his wife the same, and get away from that white hating church. How dare he attempt to unify the Spanish and oriental and Indian and middle eastern and Russian and European and African and the rest to all of us who make up America with those unhealthy statements and attitudes. Do you really hate us? Let's not destroy America.

Now I'm an independent and here's how it breaks down for me. To my thinking Barack Obama represents the best chance the people of this country have of getting some semblance of executive representation back. I'll vote for Obama in the general because I don't honestly believe that the Corporate interests have gotten their claws into him yet (that's not to say he hasn't rubbed elbows with them because in the world of politics that is the nature of the beast, like it or not). I'm just sying that he hasn't sold out wholesale to them and he doesn't let himself get put into a position where he OWES anyone. That scores big points with me. John McCain I would vote for as a fall back position because he IS a military man and actually HAS experience looking our enemies in the eye (And people would do well to remember that the Hanoi Hilton was no picnic before they go to bashing him). This is important because there are nearly a billion people in the world today who would kill every man, woman, and child of us if they could. I don't think we should still be in Iraq (OR Afghanistan for that matter) but I do know that it's better to fight them our THEIR turf than on OURS. And then finally there's Hillary. Poor power mad deluded creature that she is. In hock to literally every corporate lobbyist with an agenda, squeezing and milking every political contact, crony, and ally for every drop of clout and influence she can gather. She just doesn't get it. Honesty and personal integrity are the primary requirements for the job of Commander in Chief, NOT "Nice to have" options. She's bankrupt on both counts, and if she were any more disingenuous she'd be transparent. And when it comes to ethical and moral fiber it's no wonder that she's the most politically constipated candidate you'll ever see. Nope, there's no way I could EVER find ANY reason to vote for THAT. The depth of her character rather closely approximates that of a bird bath, and right now in this country we're going to need a lot more than a self serving, marginally qualified, would be queen. Lest we forget, a lot of good people, who were FAR more qualified for the job than Hilly, have already dropped out of the campaign. Let's choose wisely this year, so we don't appear to the rest of the world no better the the famed Roman "MOB" of Caesar's day.

I'd be curious about a couple things. First, I'd like to see a demographic breakdown of those numbers. Second, I'd like to see how many of those voters would vote for John Edwards. Just curious.

Wouldn't vote for no one if this keeps up.

perfect example of how democrats loose elections.....

I think its more like 7 out of 10 Hillary supporters will flock to McCain if the Democrats are foolish enough to nominate Obama with his Muslim-=terrorist ties, his flopping on Nafta, his say one thing about the war and vote the other and his 20 year long mentoring by the racist and hate filled man who dares to call him a preacher. etc etc etc Nothing but constant OBAMA-DRAMA !!!

NO-BAMA for most of us - its hillary or McCain if you nominate Obama and you can BET on it.

I think that Obama is going to have to tackle the Democratic Rednecks of this county. They are all through the north, south, east and west. The NASCAR folks, the fisherman, the WWF folks, and so on. Let me explain something, and let me be very clear, they may have been Democrats until now. With the Wright stuff and Obama's mean white people approach, it is impossible for him to accommodate these folks. They know the real story and remember what has happened. Affirmative action set the poor whites aside so the black folks could get in front of the line. And what is going on today. A National Black caucus. What? The have kept silent hoping to help the nation. In the past they have embraced the Democratic Party also in an attempt to vote against the corporate greed and inequalities. But now, with so many businesses in the dumps and so many factories closing, those thoughts are beginning not to hold water. Remember, these people are Democratic voters. Obama needs to bring out the truths about what has happened since the 60s and his wife the same, and get away from that white hating church. How dare he attempt to unify the Latino and Oriental and Indian and Middle Eastern and Russian and European and African and the rest to all of us who make up America with those unhealthy statements and attitudes. Do you really hate us? Let's not destroy America.

Tim, you forget to mention that Blair Hull was AHEAD of Obama by more than 10% when HIS divorce papers became public. Curious omission, buddy.

Say, don't you wonder why the Tribune didn't get around to publishing the contents of Bill Foster's divorce papers in that special election? Guess the public didn't absolutely need to know about it like those other two divorces in their eyes.

Wake-up America. A vote for O'Bama is a knee-jerk reaction against Bush; an ill-informed vote at that. He's not done a good job for Illinois (he's always looked beyond his "current" job as Junior Senator), he is where he is today by default (whatever happened to Jack Ryan?) and he simply says what he thinks people want to hear without any regard or knowledge about what it will take to get there. Go ahead, elect him. I'd suggest you get ready for a bumpy ride however!

Posted by: JIM H | March 26, 2008 11:47 AM

And of Course Hillary has NEVER made any statement simply because she thought it was what the voters "WANTED" to hear...RIGHT?

I think the Clinton and Obama supporters should just not vote rather than switch to the Republicans.

I am amazed how many people here are laying this on Obama, as opposed to recognizing the divisive and bitter tactics of Clinton advisors Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson, aided and abetted by shills like James Carville. They are practicing a "scorched earth" policy that puts HRC first, and the party and country somewhere far behind.

When HRC's "can't miss" candidacy fails -- and it will -- I hope she has the perspective to recognize and apologize for the way her strategists have trashed a good party, a good country, a good man...

...and a good woman. Bad advisors are shoveling sewage onto what should be a bright Clinton legacy.

It smacks gamesmanship before a brokered convention. Until the Democratic candidate is officially chosen the incentive is to make it sound as if yours is the only one that has a chance.

It smacks gamesmanship before a brokered convention. Until the Democratic candidate is officially chosen the incentive is to make it sound as if yours is the only one that has a chance.

I cannot believe the vitriol from each side in this equation. What would be the harm in voting for McCain? People should vote for whomever the think is the best candidate, not whomever the democrat party happens to throw out there. Do Democrats have to sign some sort of blood oath that says they will never vote for a Republican? Are they that set in their ways?

As for an all Democrat goverment, look what has happened in Illinois, Cook County, Michigan, Detroit... the list goes on. There is something to be said for mixed parties in Washingon, and least the gridlock keeps them from screwing us over as quickly.

It's sad but true. This is just proved that Democrats are just a coalition of opportunistic convenience. Once there is a different in interest (men vs. women, black vs. white), the party just falls apart.

Well is 3 in 10 want to jump ship... let'm well take the other 7.
JanWN

Hillary would prefer John McCain as Presidents over Obama. She'll go against her own party to make it happen. A McCain presidency would allow her to run again in four years. An Obama presidency could last for two terms. All she is concerned about is when she will get to be President.

I have been undecided between Obama and Clinton for some time now. But I've noticed in the past few weeks that Clinton supporters are much more negative than Obama's people are. The clinton fans are deploying what can only be described as hate speech against Obama. What I saw from Obama was that he responded calmly with an honest speech and truthful perspective on race relations in our country.

When Hillary was caught exaggerating her Bosnia trip she ran directly away from the problem. It reminded me of another time a Clinton was caught lying, i remember he didn't own up to it until the blue dress was found. Same as Clinton she insisted it was as she said until the video appeared and she suddenly "misspoke".

I'm not on the fence anymore, Obama has more character, honor and integrity. At least he faces his problems head on.

Ugh. Obliquely making fun of intellectually challenged people by referencing the DSM-IV - how very progressive. I'm beginning to think that lefties and neocons are equally nasty. I don't think any of these candidates (or any of their constituents) represents a fiscally conservative, anti-war view. What about the 40% of us in the middle?

Posted by: ceci | March 26, 2008 11:16 AM

When I choose to make fun of something, you will know it. My post was really an "oblique" way of saying that many of the people that I work with would be better choices than hillary.
You should really ensure that you know about a person before you comment. I have worked with Develpomentally Disabled children and adults for 24 years. Everyday, I meet so called "normal" people whose behavior should classify them with some sort of mental defect. hillary is definately one of these. She is stuid enough to think a majority of people buy into her crap.

By the way, do you know what 318.2 is?? I wonder because you feel I gave a did at "intellectually challenged" people.

ps: "Intellectually challenged" is no longer an appropriate term. This is a demeaning term, and most Developmentally Disabled people find it offensive and insulting.

You have to think about the kind of people that are supporting Clinton- bitter, hormonal women like herself, who never forget and never forgive. Of course they won't vote for her rival; that would fail to result in Their Feelings Being Validated.

I think that these Democrats will come together by the General Election. A vote for McCain is a vote for more needless death in Iraq. As we all know, more than 4000 Americans have died, but that's not even considering the soldiers that have lost limbs, hearing, memory, etc. And we don't even know how many Iraqis have died. I've seen numbers as high as 90,000 and 150,000.

The General Election will be about much more than saying "I told you so."
We just need to keep our heads. Let's drop the talk of Wright and sniper fire.

Yeah, AMERICAN FIRST, that's what they said about George W. Bush.

I am fed up with the negative rhetoric from both Obama and Hillary.. so much that I am seriously looking at the McCain Platform. After McCain wins, Hillary and Obama can take their fight to the back alley and blame themselves for losing the Presidential Race. I also want to thank Bill Richardson for swaying my decision to look more closely at the McCain idealogy. Bill wake up and realize that Hispanics are divided down the middle. Why?? Because in all honesty I have noticed we are only used for our numbers when it comes to negative talk. Once it comes time to give us help and dole out the programs we are simply but on the back burner by Congress and the politicians

Personally, I think it's stupid polls like this - and the general media itself - that creates a unnecessary rift between democrats. the media is creating this exagerrated hatred between the Obama and Hillary and petty comments they make as opposed to substantive issues. In the end, I don't hink democrats are that stupid - the majority will vote for either Democratic candidate considering their only other option is Bush the 3rd (McCAin). Let's give democrats a little credit - we're smarter than media propaganda.

When Barack Obama wins the nomination, Democrats will realize they have the golden opportunity for one-party government (President and Congress) to clean up the mess we are in. Yes we can.

The intelligence level of many of the posters, especially the Obama ones tells me that No Child Left Behind isn't working. First off, for those that urge Clinton to quit because she can't win - well neither can Obama in the most likely scenario. Even with FL and MI split, both will go into the convention needing the superdelegates. Those that say it doesn't matter if 28% of the vote changes from Clinto to McCain obviously can't do math. With the race only a few percentages apart, that 28% defection will mean the difference between winning and losing. Also, it doesn't bode well for the other democrats up for election since Obama probably can't help their position much if he's weaken by defections. Finally, if you think Obama will just pull the troops out immediately, guess again. Do that without a plan to secure the region will be a disaster. I think even one of Obama's advisors has said in private that at least some troops will likely remain for the forseeable future.

How can you say if Hillary is not the Democratic Candidate, you would rather switch? To all you old white women, high school graduates who loss their manufacturing jobs because of Hillary and Bill's support of NAFTA, and the rest of you ignorant fools who beleive everything that comes across on FOX News; WAKE-UP! How can you support Hillary when she lies at will? If you think things are going bad now, just think what four more years of the Republican Party will bring you.

They would actually vote republican versus just not vote? That is truly vindictive. We see the same vindictiveness in the Congress and Senate, where more interest lies in launching new investigations and holding hearings than in passing needed legislation.

Vindictiveness is bubbling to the surface as a real dem personality trait.

>>"Obama and his supporters are reaping what they've sown."

I agree. For example, his campaign really went personally, mean and viciously negative against Clinton while Obama was falling in the polls after the Rev. Wright videos started to get heavy play recently. Their new campaign is to go crowing around calling her a "liar". Now, they are calling her "Tonya Harding" just for staying in the race (they justify tagging her with that sexist smear without any such behavior on her part, by saying that's got to be her only realistic hope). But it's Obama whose gone nuclear-negative, not her.

What is the black male version of the sexist smear label of "Tonya Harding"? Should we say Obama "going O.J." on Hillary?

His behavior has been gratuitously contemptuous and sneering. For example, the way he jeered and laughed at her when she proposed a dual ticket in Mississippi. He used her invitation (she didn't say who would be on top, mind you) to bash her in campaign speeches. He has been incredibly obnoxious and disrespectful to the senior senator and more qualified (woman) candidate in this race. His supporters have been vicious, mean, bullying and threatening Clinton supporters.

The press can write false narratives of what the campaigns' respective behavior is and how they do things, but Clinton's supporters have been watching this abuse for moths. I will never vote for Obama because I see his campaign as being extremely hyperfanatical and hypocritical.

The Democrats can eat their White House bid in the Fall as far as I care.

There are 2 key points that the Democratic pundits commenting on outcomes fail to mention.

Obama's blacks, who are really hateful toward Clinton, those comprising the 19% of those Obama supporters who wouldn't vote for Clinton, won't go out and vote Republican. This is also true for the left-wing ivory tower whites that comprise his white voter base. Thus, the 19% of Obama's base who won't vote for Clinton, if they follow through, would just provide the Republicans with about an 8% margin since Obama is down under McCain with about 43% in current the national polling. Thus the damage those 19% of Obamat's hardened Clinton-haters can do at most an 8% margin of damage, if they all follow through and sit out the election or vote for Nader.

However, centrist Clinton's 28% are far more likely to vote for centrist McCain instead of doing what Obama's 19% are likely to do if they follow through and sit out the election. That means the Dem party's 28% drop will be then added to McCain's column, thereby doubling the effect of Clinton defections. Let's say 1/2 of Clinton's 28% sit out the election as Obama's 19% fanatics say they would do, and 1/2 vote for McCain, and that Clinton's at about 46% below McCain in national matchup polling today. Clinton's supporters would shift the margin by (.28/2)*(.46)X2 = 13%. Plus there are the other 14% who sit out: (.28/2)*.46 = 6.5%. There would be a 13% + 6.5% projected shift in the Dem v. Republican votes, or 19%.

Thus if we assume all of Obama's left wing and black supporters would follow through with their threats to not vote for Clinton, it could impact the Fall election by a projected 8%. If only half of Clinton's centrist supporters follow through with their threats not to vote for Obama and sit out the election while the other half votes for McCain, then we see a 19.5% shift in McCain's favor.

That, my friends, is why you don't bully, abuse and harass the party centrists.

The Dems have zero chance of winning with any meaningful margin of Clinton's supporters upset at Obama's campaign or the Democratic Party's treatment of her

If you use the above analysis, please give me credit for it.

You're right JIM GRIFFIN, all politicians at one point or another have probably said what they thought the voters wanted to hear. I believe that Hillary Clinton at least has an idea of what it will take to get things done. Do you remember when O'Bama called for countries with nuclear capabilities to ban and destroy nuclear weapons? My son's third-grade class did the very same thing. Has it happened? No. Will it happen? No. At least Clinton's platform is founded in experience - experience that O'Bama simply doesn't have.

This election campaign has been so HYPOCRITICAL. Hillary was the establishment candidate, the front runner, the one who appeared "entitled" to the presidency. Obama was behind nationally more than 20% points, he campaigned in every state, every caucus, every primary. When he lost in New Hampshire he was gracious, and vowed to continue fighting, if he had lost even 6 elections after Super Tuesday, he would have been pressured to drop out of the race so fast, not even Tyson Gay could catch him, and no amount of excuses as to why he lost would have sufficed. Today Hillary has got 12 or 13 chances to stay in the race and she has the audacity to say that the states and votes don't count.
Why is she so desparate to win, that she will say or do anything, and she can never admit when she's wrong?

She was expected to win the nomination so why is it surprising when she is leading in states, and we all know that Obama has been working from behind to be known and vetted.

When I look at all the Presidents before, I think we have an audacity to crucify Obama for the preaching of the pastor of his church. This is not Cuba, I have close friends with prejudices and hang up, doesn't define me,and we are always arguing over them but at the end of the day, they mean as much to me as my family and I pray for them to change, but I will always appreciate the good deeds they have done for me and my family. Stop being hypocritical, vote for your candidate without tearing down the other.

This election campaign has been so HYPOCRITICAL. Hillary was the establishment candidate, the front runner, the one who appeared "entitled" to the presidency. Obama was behind nationally more than 20% points, he campaigned in every state, every caucus, every primary. When he lost in New Hampshire he was gracious, and vowed to continue fighting, if he had lost even 6 elections after Super Tuesday, he would have been pressured to drop out of the race so fast, not even Tyson Gay could catch him, and no amount of excuses as to why he lost would have sufficed. Today Hillary has got 12 or 13 chances to stay in the race and she has the audacity to say that the states and votes don't count.
Why is she so desparate to win, that she will say or do anything, and she can never admit when she's wrong?

When I look at all the Presidents before, I think we have an audacity to crucify Obama for the preaching of the pastor of his church. This is not Cuba, I have close friends with prejudices and hang up, doesn't define me,and we are always arguing over them but at the end of the day, they mean as much to me as my family and I pray for them to change, but I will always appreciate the good deeds they have done for me and my family. Stop being hypocritical, vote for your candidate without tearing down the other.

look like a lot of the magic about Obama has faded away.

It's no secret the media infatuation with McCain and cheerleading the Clinton scorched earth campaign is the perfect way to show their love. Hillary is banking on McCain winning and is thinking 2012. McCain's presidency can be nothing but a disaster, worse than Bush if that's possible, and thus Clinton rides to the I told you so rescue. Pity the nation.

Surely, you "misspoke" (i.e., liberal euphemism for 'a lie')

Obama has ruined the Democrats by starting all this infighting in the first place, it is all his fault..

Hillary Clinton deflects rivals' attacks
By Toby Harnden in Washington
Jan 10,2007

Attacks could tarnish Obama's 'hope' theme
DesMoinesRegister.com
Jul 27, 2007

Obama Tries to Peel Away Clinton Backers
The Associated Press
Wednesday, July 18, 2007
Obama's criticisms of the two-term senator and former first lady have been regular,

Clinton Smiles Through Obama, Edwards Attacks
ABC News
Aug 8, 2007

Obama Sharpens Attack on Clinton
ABC News
Aug 15, 2007

Obama and Edwards Step Up Attacks on Front-Runner Clinton
Washington Post
Sunday, August 26, 2007

Barack Obama Shows Off Newly Sharpened Elbows Against Democratic Frontrunner Hillary Clinton
FOX News
Monday, October 15, 2007

Barack Obama Steps Up Attacks on Hillary Clinton
FOX News
Sunday, October 28, 2007

Clinton Charges Through Iowa, Bill Clinton Likens Attacks on Hillary to 'Swift Boat' Ads
FOX News
Wednesday, November 07, 2007

Obama attacks Clinton
PressDisplay.com
Nov 18, 2007

I'm not trading a war monger like Bush, for a RACIST like Obama and his church.

If Hillary loses, I vote for McCain.

So count me in that 28%.

Remember...Rush & Co. said the same thing about McCain. Whom are they carrying water for now? (hint: it ain't Obama or Clinton).

Obama is simply not groomed enough. I would rather have a liberal GOP President than "Barack-star" anyday. What a joke we would be in the eyes of the rest of the world....our President has "rock star" status. lol If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I will vote Republican for the very first time in my life. If the DNC is smart, they'll look at these statistics and force a joint ticket. Clinton on top, Obama as VP.

War, war, war, war.
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb Iran.
Lobbyists on the "Straight Talk Express"
More Justices like Alito and Roberts.
"I don't know much about the economy."
For the tax cuts after being against the tax cuts.
Against torture until he voted FOR the torture bill that would have limited the CIA to what the military is allowed to do.

Not sure how "trusting" Obama has anything to do with any of this. Either you're a dem or you're not. Obama is a dem. He's not going to have the same policies as McCain and Bush.

Has absolutely nothing to do with Clinton’s policies. As Gov Rendell said, whites in certain areas won’t vote for a black man regardless.

I am not sad that Obama won’t get the support of the intolerant, ignorant, bigoted Democrats. I'm just sad that they exist to begin with.

BTW, those “Dems” switching to Repubs is a good thing; get all the racists on that side of the isle, as it should be.

As an Obama supporter and an independent, John McCain is a much more attractive candidate than Hillary. Obama gives hope for a stronger more positive country. McCain is a stronger country and possibly more central. Once elected I hope he will return to his roots of 2000, open-minded. Hillary is however a devisive and spiteful person. She offers no hope for America. She lies over her qualifications. She uses the Karl Rove handbook "tear others down to build yourself up"

Has HRC lost her mind?
What's with all the fish stories?
I knew from the start whom she relies on to win the nomination: Uninformed people only.
Now she's trying to score points on Obama by reintroducing the Wright storyline.
I wonder why she hasn't left Bill after 30+ of cheating!

I'm not surprised. I've said all along Hilary Clinton is a REPUBLICAN.
It certainly seems she is campaigning to be VP to McCain!

OBAMA '08

Lies win nominations and presidencies.

Some people think they are above true politics and they will never get to November. Just watch.

After reading several of these comments, so many nasty, hateful, ignorant comments, I wonder have we lost track of the fact that this is our country, the United States of America, we're talking about. Have we forgotten that what we should want is what's best for this country. Obviously, individuals differ on what we think is best. I think it's best that we not put McCain in office because he will just continue each and every one of Bush's failed policies ad infinitum. And I don't believe that's best for this country. I will vote for the Democrat who gets the nomination, because I believe our country is desperately in need of retooling. Shouldn't we want what's best for our country first, and put political party affiliation dead last? In my opinion, anyone who believes it is best to put McCain in office to continue the downward spiral war mongering economy ruining mess that George Bush affected during his years in office is putting party first and country last. And I think that is just plain wrong. Why don't we quit the name calling, the juvenile name calling, and get back to loving this country and doing what is right for this country. What is right for this country, in my opinion, is to elect a Democrat. Let us not pit Democrat against Democrat and make empty threats of saying we'll vote for McCain if Hillary doesn't get the nomination. It's wrong. PUT YOUR COUNTRY FIRST PEOPLE OR THERE WILL BE NO COUNTRY LEFT. YES, IT IS THAT SERIOUS.

Obama is a joke. His fallowers are cuckoos. His wife is a rasist. His pastor is creepy. His alliances are quastionable. I am not trusting my country to this weird bunch. If it's not Hillary, then I am voting for McCain. No Obama '08

This goes to show you how this is all about Hillary's ambitions, damn the party and its constituents. They'd rather see McCain win so that Hillary only has to only wait four years instead of eight to try again.

I did not inhale!
I did not know that woman!
I will release my tax returns!
Whitewater what?
Peter Paul what?
Wal-Mart what?
I landed somewhere in Europe under sniper fire!
I am a great diplomat who saved the world!
I have always been against NAFTA!
TRUST ME YOU FOOLS !
Poor girl. She looks so tired. Out of control should I say?

Wait a second! Hasn't Obama been telling us that he could easily get the Hillary supporters but it is unlikely that his supporters would back her. Isn't that what Mr. Cocky said? Isn't that what the media has been parroting.

Well, guess what. I think that there are alot of Democrats who no longer support Obama after all his racial comments. You know the "typical white person" comment. And so it comes as no surprise to me that no self-respecting person would support a guy who expresses such animosity towards his own white grandmother.

Once again, CNN has fed the US a pack of lies and we now find out that it isn't just radical Obama supporters who won't support Hillary. Good, kind Americans won't support a racist-in-chief for President of the US.

I will crossover to the Republican Party (perhaps permanently) if Obama wins the primary. He and his anti-white hate speech is a danger to America. I support Hillary and will vote McCain if she does not prevail.

Bill wrote:
I'm for Hillary, and believe Obama had no business running with his juvenile resume in the first place.

Your right his ability to unite people and to get a SUCCESSFUL healthcare package passed (in IL) doesn't make him as qualified as "running from" made-up "sniper fire". I can't tell you how many time I have run from sniper fire, probaly at least 1 more time than Hillary or Chelsea.

Truth in a president, George=McCain=Hillary. Obama is the true hope for America, domesticly and internationally.

What a stupid headline. What an even more stupid poll.

What it really says is that 7 in 10 Clinton supporters would vote for Obama in November over McCain.

The other three apparently suffer from terminal pms.

These numbers shouldn't surprise anyone as 3 in 10 Hillary voters are actually Republicans.

While in many ways I can't believe I'm doing it, this lifelong Dem will be casting his first vote for the GOP for president this fall. We need to totally redo the primary process to help us get the most qualified candidates. These two may act the part, but the Dems have many more qualified individuals in party than these two.

So nearly 30% of Clinton backers would vote for McCain instead of Obama? This sounds like the morons who said they would move to Canada after George Bush got elected.

Of course, I don't mind this kind of stubborn, childish behavior since I am solidly Republican.

With no sarcasm intended, could someone who calls themselves liberal or identifies themselves with the Democratic Party please explain something to me?

My understanding of the Democratic Party is that it stands for "the little guy" and is supposed to be more open-minded and inclusive than Republicans and their conservative voters.

If this is the case, why would 30% of you abandon your party rather than accept a different candidate for President?

I can't get too excited about John McCain, but I damn sure won't be forfeiting my vote come November.

McCain already won. It's been programmed into the vote counting software by Diebold. It does not matter who he runs against. All this patter is just the way the pundits will try to "explain" the outcome.

Anyone who would interpret O'Bama's speech on racism as "anti-white" simply didn't read the speech.

The Clinton supporters are obviously grasping at whatever straws they can grab to bash O'Bama. As far as their willingness to vote Republican, it comes across as childish and spiteful...and obviously not in the best interests of our country. They're just being sore losers, just like she is.

Having said that, if Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for her. I believe she is a better candidate than McCain. Like most people on O'Bama's side, I have too much class and integrity to switch parties just because MY candidate loses.

However, I think Hillary Clinton has more than proven that her ego comes first, which puts her in the same personality camp as McCain. She knows she is not nearly as electable as Barack O'Bama. If she really had the interests of her party and her country in mind, she would bow out of the election. Poll after poll shows Clinton will NOT beat John McCain in a general election...but poll after poll also shows O'Bama and McCain would be in a dead heat. O'Bama has a chance to win. Hillary should wake up, smell the coffee, and step aside. She has really shown her true colors in this election as a typical power-hungry politician. That's exactly why she has lost my support in the primary.

I'm one of the 3 in 10 who will either vote for McCain or maybe not vote at all! Obama wants to exclude Florida and Michigan from the equation because those were the rules but he wants to change the rules regarding the super-delegates and how they vote! He can't have it both ways. I wrote his campaign an e-mail in January stating that all his candidcay will accomplish will be to elect a Republican to the White House in November. McCain will put a classy person on the ticket with him and then they'll knee cap and/or 527 Obama into oblivion!

Lies win nominations and presidencies.

Some people think they are above true politics and they will never get to November. Just watch.

I'm one of the 3 in 10 who will either vote for McCain or maybe not vote at all! Obama wants to exclude Florida and Michigan from the equation because those were the rules but he wants to change the rules regarding the super-delegates and how they vote! He can't have it both ways. I wrote his campaign an e-mail in January stating that all his candidcay will accomplish will be to elect a Republican to the White House in November. McCain will put a classy person on the ticket with him and then they'll knee cap and/or 527 Obama into oblivion!

If McCain is elected I'm moving to France!

It's Obama or it's nothing, and that includes Hillary Rove Clinton"s VP,Bomb Bomb McCain. Hagee and McCain, there's a ticket for you! Who need's those Catholic -hores! And Hillary thinks McCain and herself are the only ones qualified. I don't think so.

Naturally people who voted for Hillary in the primaries will vote for McCain.

They were Republicans crossingover. I heard numerous people who said they did this in my county in Ohio.

I could never vote for Hillary Clinton now! her Husband Bill faced the American Public and told LIES, now Hillary has shown she is tarnished with the same brush, Bosnia and Northern Ireland LIES! along with the Dirty Campaign she is running.

Barack Obama has energized the Voters and there is more chance of cross support and Republicans who are unsure about McCain, Clinton could Never do this! she is Tainted and finished.

It just goes to show that American politics are extremely fickle. People are swayed by the slightest thing to switch their opinion. Too many people don't have a clue about what each candidate stands for and live on "sound bytes" put out by the media.

Grow up, people and take a look at the candidates and their stances on issues, their party's stance on issues, and what they've stated publicly. Then, decide who you'd vote for on either side of the fence.

I honestly don't believe a person who has agreed with and likes Hillary would stoop so low as to vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination. They would only do that if all they care about are the sound bytes and not "ideals".

As to those talking about FL and MI, Florida decided ON ITS OWN not to hold a revote. Michigan could have went ahead and decided to run one or not. They didn't have to wait on "obama's approval" to do it, but they CHOSE To do that. Each voter in the primary knew their vote would not count because it was broadcast everywhere. I think that democrats, regardless of who it is, will have a hard time in those 2 states in November - period - thanks to the DNC. Democrats in Florida can blame their Republican legislatures for disenfranchising them since they are the ones that voted to change the date to get back at the Democrats. In Michigan, I don't know who made the decision.

That's what is and has always been wrong with the Clinton Machine. They are excellent at manipulating the masses by appealing to their emotions. I was one of them.
However, the people have to be responsible for being so easily manipulated. This is such a "see-thru" ploy by a desperate campaign that is willing to do anything under the sun to be elected, including making the Democratic voters of MI and FL feel somehow "disenfranchised" w/o accepting the role she played in the entire matter.
Their state reps are to blame---Noone else.
If Clinton was ahead she wouldn't give a "hoot" about those votes. If she was so against those votes NOT being counted, why didn't she make her protestations when the issue was first addressed? Clinton agreed, along w/Edwards, Obama and the DNC that the two states' votes would not count, as a penalty for having moved up their primaries. Has everyone forgotten these facts or are so many just "mesmorized" and "hypnotized" by his (Bill) and her twisted stories and innuendos?
Despite the fact that I am a woman, I wouldn't want Senator Clinton to be president under any circumstances. She's too greedy and her "tales of grandeur" are simply absurd. While she praises a Republican, at the expense of another Democrat, she makes herself even more UN-electable. God is good and may the best man win (no pun intended)!

This is an emotional race for everyone, especially voters. I support Obama, but if I were losing and knew that only chance he had at winning was if we could convince everyone that we wouldn't vote for the other in the fall... then I would lie on some poll. These people aren't going to vote for John McCain. How could ask people a question that they're too emotionally wrapped up in to answer honestly.

I am a Hillary supporter who would never vote for Obama under any circumstances and if he wins I will most certainly vote for McCain. I think what the Obama sheep is not recognizing is that McCain is a very well liked candidate on both sides and he is nowhere near Bush. Everyone knows that the 2 of them really dislike each other. While I prefer Hilalry I have an enormous amount of respect for McCain. THe whole Wright situation really turned me off on Obama. I cant stand by a candidate that has less courage than Oprah.

I cannot believe how vicious Obama supporters can be - name-calling, etc. Just like when Obama was finally taking some heat when people heard his "MENTOR" totally explode into racist and anti-American tirades--notice how quiet and victimized he became? Instead of name-calling and bashing people why not admit that these people (whether you like them or not)have dedicated their adult lives to public service and grow up and stop such bashing. Its no wonder this country has such problems--it sickens me to hear adults behave so poorly.

Im not suprised by this poll, white people will never back someone of color over their own kind. It seems that democrat or republican dosent matter as much as skin color.

Scare tactic. These people are hoping to strong arm the superdelegates into selecting Hillary over Obama. I think this poll doesn't take into account African American voters and young people who will likely stay home if Obama isn't the choice, thereby handing over the election to McCain. But I think this would be great if Dems, especially the pro-choice women choose McCain, so they can lose their reproductive rights. They'll get exactly what they deserve. Not to mention, the war in Iraq will go on for at least another 4 years. Perhaps, another 4000 dead soldiers and a completely ruined economy is just what the Dems need to get their act together.

You folks need to calm down and remember this is only a poll and it hardly reflects the truth. Some should also stop using the anonymity of the net to write hateful things they would never say in public.

I will not vote Hillary if the racist Obama is on the ticket as VP either. I wish people would quit suggesting that.

Obama does not have a snowballs' chance of winning in November. He had a lot of people fooled but now they all want their vote back. They won't be voting Obama in November. I always thought that it was just an expression, "He'd sell his own grandmother...."
Who knew that someone could be so low as to actually do it, and in prime time, living color too!

Actions speak better than words.

Mr Obama choose Mr. Wright as his spiritual teacher for 20 years and included Mr. Wright in his election staff, these are the actions of Mr. Obama. When shocking hate messages began to flow from the mouth of Mr. Wright on television, hyperbole spin was written for Mr. Obama distancing Mr. Obama from Mr. Wright. The weird thing is, some people actually believe the spin written by Mr. Obama’s election machine. But regardless what Mr. Obama says, he chose Mr. Wright as his spiritual teacher for 20 years and added Mr. Wright to his election staff.

If you make the choice to listen and learn from Hitler every week over 20 years, do you expect me or any other rational being to believe that you wouldn’t be or want to be influenced by Hitler’s ideas? And what does that say of your personal integrity if you chose American hating Mr. Wright, or Mr. Hitler as your guide in life?

And also consider recent announcement that the chief of the firm involved in the State Department’s passport breach is one of Obama’s adviser. And that Obama has been caught lying about Rezko, regarding the amount of money Rezko gave him, and that Obama still hasn’t come clean about his Rezko land deal. Or further, how Mrs. Obama makes a phenomenal $317.000 a month at a hospital in Chicago that is famous for turning away the poor, especially the black poor.

If Obama were to become president, what would stop Mr. Obama from appointing Mr. Wright to his cabinet? And after Mr. Wright’s appointment, if anyone complained they would be called racist. And it seems as if this strategy - that it is racist to criticize a black man - is already in effect as Mr. Obama can do anything corrupt with minimal impunity by the public or the press. But if Hillary so much as sneezes, she is taken through the laundry and hung out to dry and then beaten some more. Such bias treatment towards Mr. Obama because of his race is racial discrimination. And I believe another reason why Mrs. Clinton is unfairly criticized to such an extreme is because a handful of powerful men in the media can’t stand the idea of a woman for president – likely a libido thing.

We should have as our country’s leader someone with wisdom and knowledge, whose goal is the selfless betterment of the world. We should not elect someone with a personal agenda of personal power or select them because of the fashionably of their race or the preference for a gender.

Hearing all of the spring inter-party rancor is amusing. Obama and Clinton are so close on the issues the sheer fact that a supporter would say that they would vote for the other side is laughable at best. By voting for the red side you would be voting AGAINST what your party stands for. If you were interested in voting for either of the Democratic senators i dont see how you could even possibly consider voting for the other side, red and blue could not be farther apart in political idealogies and goals.

"...11 percent of Republicans said they would vote for the Democratic candidate or a third-party candidate next fall if McCain does not choose a vice president who is considerably more conservative than he is." Ooooook so if you dont get someone more conservative than yourself then i will vote liberal , that will show em' ! This is so oxymoronic that even only 11% is an appalling number.

People need to stop voting for who they like best or who said this or who did that and just focus on the ISSUES. The issues are the largest part of the puzzle yet they always seem to take a backseat in American politics, and then people wonder how people like George "The Decider" Bush get elected, and no it is not by his brilliant STRATEGERY.

I am a Hillary supporter and I will never vote for Obama. The reason is simple. He is unqualified to be the President of this country. He is a half-a-term US senator with no experience, no accomplishments, and no qualifications.

No, it is not 28%. It is nearly 50% (it is just that some of these voters do not want anybody to know their true feelings) Now some of the same Obamabots say that it is Hillary's fault. No Obamabots. It is simply that we do not trust your candidate especially when he is supported by such a big bunch of fanatics!!

Obama's Pastor Slurs Italians Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:19 AM By: Penny Starr Article Font Size Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor emeritus of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been a member for two decades, slurred Italians in a piece published in the most recent issue of Trumpet Newsmagazine.

I would Like to Thank Hillary for answering the question "who do you want answering the phone at 3:00 A.M. If sleep depravation makes her think she was under sniper attack we certainly don't want her answering the phone at that time of the night.

Those idiots on both sides who are urging people not to vote if their candidate doesn't make it are spoiled brats and naive. Don't they realize the right to vote is the single most important thing in a democracy, and to not exercise it is to dishonor the sacifices of those that have fought and died for it. You may not like the choices, but it's your civic duty to make a choice.

I'd bet $$$ that Hillary's statements about Obama's former pastor was in hope that a "certain kind" of white voter will form an ugly scab on her profusely bleeding "expectation" of becoming president.

I have heard many of my Democrat friends here in Texas say that they would vote for McCain if Hillary does not get the Democratic Nomination. These are all, for the most part, moderate Democrats who liked the Bill Clinton years but they also want someone who they think would be strong with foreign policy and someone with the most experience.

Senator Obama's association with his Pastor has also turned off lots of my friends who are teachers who used to support him before hearing his Pastor's comments about America.

As teachers, they can't fathom having a President whose Pastor said those things. They worry about how to explain that to their elementary and middle school students if he becomes the President of the United States. Interestingly, some are turning to Senator Clinton and some all the way to Senator McCain because it seems the Pastor's comments have set their feelings of patriotism "on fire" and John McCain as war hero is now very appealing.

The comments made by Senator Obama's Pastor will have a long term effect on his run for President. It will greatly hurt him in the general election.

Look on the bright side 7 in 10 will stay with Obama.

I am one of those 3 in 10 who will switch to McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee.I would not vote for Obama under ANY circumstances. By virtue of his 20 year association with racist Jeremiah Wright, he, too, is a racist. And his connections to the corrupt Tony Rezko and the terrorist William Ayers pose some serious questions about his patriotism and judgement. If the DNC is willing to lose the White House yet again, so be it. At least John McCain loves this country!

Totally insane. I don't understand it at all.

Why would you vote for someone who stands for the exact opposite of most everything your preferred candidate does?

Do you really want us to stay in Iraq for 100 years, or invade Iran? Do you want a President who will continue tax cuts that worsen our budget deficit, and who doesn't seem to know or care that much about the economy at all? Do you want to see a Supreme Court that is stacked with uber-conservative Justices? I could go on and on...

Think, people, think.

Of course this Gallup study doesn't take into account the number of Obama supporters that will defect to Nader (like me) if Hillary were to get the nom...

I will vote for John McCain over Democratic Sen. Barack Obama. He is young and no expierence yet 4 years as a senator is nothing to run the most powerfull country in the world.

55% of Americans view Hillary Clinton as dishonest. Imagine waking up to the Queen of mean for the next four years.

Here is a quote by Obama's Pastor(Jeremiah A. Wright) in the "Trumpet News Magazine" www.trumpetmag.com

“When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens,” says
the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, likening the Minister’s influence to
the E. F. Hutton commercials of old. “Everybody may not agree with
him, but they listen…His depth on analysis when it comes to the
racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye opening. He brings a
perspective that is helpful and honest.
“Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and
21st century giants of the African American religious experience,”
continues Wright. “His integrity and honesty have secured him a
place in history as one of the nation’s most powerful critics. His love
for Africa and African American people has made him an unforgettable
force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere
about his faith and his purpose.”

Obama's Pastor truly supports a Muslim who is well known for preaching white hatred....

Go Hillary!!

I wonder why she hasn't left Bill after 30+ of cheating!

Posted by: joseph pierre | March 26, 2008 1:57 PM

Good point. Do we really want a President stupid enough to stay with a man who had an affair with a women homelier than her (hard to do!). She makes a point to tell us her strengths in decision making, and what to do when the "3:00 am" call comes, but she is inane enough to stay with a repeat cheater, which was probably politically motivated.
She is a loser folks!! And if people are stupid enough to vote her in, you reap what you sew.

I am not sure who I am voting for. It is like choosing between a suppository or enema.

Hillary is a proven and repeat offender--a liar-in-chief, a second-coming Tanya Harding. As a life long Democrat I never thought I'd agree with Barbara Bush, but Mrs Bush was right on her characterization of Mrs. Clinton. Hillary lies to the unions concerning NAFTA, to the military personnel who are supporting her about coming under sniper fire, to the American people on having been vetted--IF SO, why not release her tax returns, the list of donors for Bill's library, etc, etc? There is NO WAY many of us Democrats will support her ever, and having Hillary "win" in Texas and Ohio because of Rush Limbaugh's mischief and now possibly Pennsylvania because of Republican cross-over to give McCain a better shot in November just shows that the party elders MUST step in to save the party and the republic

The interpretation of this poll is simple. Hillary supporters are not stupid. You answer the way they did to try to get Hillary squirmed into the nomination, that's all.

Who cares! If she doesn't win the total popular vote or the delegate vote, she shouldn't run. If she cared that much about defeating the Republicans in November as she indicated in her fake crying session, then she should quit the primary race- or did she misspeak then as well? Her ego and sense of entitlement won't let her quit. It's the same ambition that let her stay with her cheating husband!

If Obama will chose a woman as vicepresident, what he actually will, the numbers will look quite different.

So...you actually think Obama is racist against 1/2 of himself? He is racist against the grandparents and mother that raised him? Wow, you are definitely an ignorant person!

So...you actually think Obama is racist against 1/2 of himself? He is racist against the grandparents and mother that raised him? Wow, you are definitely an ignorant person! We hold Obama responsible for something his retired pastor has said versus holding Clinton responsible for lying about bring peace in Ireland and dodging bullets in the Balkans? That makes since!!!

I don't think it matters. That means Obama would get 85 % of the larger democratic vote. In addition, a portion of the 15% won't vote at all.

Clinton doesn't realize how many burnt bridges she will have to deal with after the primary. As a result of her antics, she has damaged herself as a leader in the Democratic Party.

I am convinced that people dont want to hear anything else on the subject except those snippets submitted and continuously circulated by Fox and Hillary. Its a devious meeting of the minds between Hillary and the republican party to gang up on Obama and keep the presidency white.

Not ALL white people feel this way, in fact the majority does not, but if you put some good ole fashioned FEAR into the people, they will do anything you want - like START a WAR for instance. They are playing on peoples FEARS and they are destroying Wright and damaging Obama's political career. All because it serves them both to get rid of Obama. Republicans dont want to face him, and Hillary cant defeat him without their help (dirty tricks and negative press). They have a little pack to be friends until the fall. AND IT WILL WORK - because people will believe the worst when it comes to black people. Even though there is absolutely ZERO evidence that supports Obama or Jeremiah Wright or any Black person EVER wronging anyone.

And to all the bitter white people who just don't understand....THIS type of thing is the reason Affirmative Action HAD to be started. Black people are like any other race, but if America didn't GIVE them a chance - the Hillaries and Republicans of the world would STEAL, LIE, and CHEAT their way in and we would NEVER have Michael Jordans, Oprahs, or Dr. Kings. Its time for an OBAMA, but evil is in the way.

Newsday's Glenn Thrush has the details of an article Wright wrote in December 2007. Unlike the other previously reported controversial comments, these were made in writing:

The irrepressible Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. is at it again, this time taking aim at Italians — expounding a two-millennium grudge against the sons and daughters of Rome — and their (allegedly) breath-altering predilection for scampi and pesto.

From the Wright-written eulogy for scholar Asa Hilliard in the December 2007 edition of the Trumpet magazine: "[Jesus'] enemies had their opinion about Him ... The Italians, for the most part, looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."

After calling Jesus' crucifixion "a public lynching Italian-style" executed in "Apartheid Rome," he goes on to claim that white supremacists run the U.S. government:

"The government runs everything from the White House to the schoolhouse; from the Capitol to the Klan, white supremacy is clearly in charge, but Asa, like Jesus, refused to be defined by an oppressive government, because Asa got his identity from an omnipotent God."

All this was written before his friend and former parishioner vaulted to the front of the Democratic pack — and before Obama denounced his previous comments on race, AIDS, etc.

Go Hillary

These numbers will change. There will always be a percentage of Democratic voters that will not vote for Obama because they still believe he is a Muslim or bascially because he is Black. But when he chooses a strong expereinced VP and people start hearing the contiuance of Bush's policies through McCain, they would be foolish to bring us through four additional years of Republican rule. McCain won't be able to get anything done with Social Security, Healthcare, the Economy, etc. As a veteran of the US Marine Corps and Desert Storm I, I totally disagree with our men dying for a country that hates us!

That's not a surprise.

Hillary is more of a corporate Republican than even John McCain.

Hey, I've heard that Alan Keyes is willing to step in and be the candidate!

Is Rev. Wright running for office or Obama? What has a retired Rev. Wright has to do with Obama in office. Foxnews, NY Times, and Newsmax.com had to retract their accusation that Obama was present at any of those sermons. Don't you think that those sermons took place when Obama wasn't their because the Rev. Wright knew Obama disagreed with his point of view?

What this all shows very clearly is that the Democratic Party is a truly hateful group of people who cannot agree on anything.
Only 7 democrats have been elected to the Whitehouse sense Abraham Lincoln for this very reason and with the people on this board as a sampling, neither of these 2 has a chance in November.

Leave it to the Democrats to pull defeat from the jaws of victory. In a year and time when most people are looking for some change, and are at least disappointed in the current administration’s handling of many issues, both foreign and domestic, the Democrats could win handily if only they could pick an honest, middle-of-the-road candidate with leadership skills.

But, no; the Democrats couldn’t do that, could they? They have to run candidates who can’t lead, can’t tell the truth, and who start petty, yet bloody, battles that threaten to polarize rather than unify their party. Where’s the leadership in that? This is the making of Kerry-Edwards redux, and y’all haven’t even gotten to your National Convention yet.

Only in America can politicians rise to the highest level of their own incompetence. What a bunch of turkeys.

This is just propaganda being spread , I don't for a minute believe this...right wing at work and the Chicago Tribune only furthering the slime..
Vote Hillary 2008

It is funny how the Clinton's are now racist. Until Obama most African Americans praised the Clintons because they fought harder and longer for civil rights than just about anyone.
It looks like some people have really short memories.

How does this go down with the world? That for 200 years Americans have not changed much. Ideology over pragmatism. Who loses? the Democrats and of course America!

And they say Democrats' demise is Nader's fault!!

William, William, William . . . if only Senator O'Bama had not played the "black" card he would not have put "white" people on the defensive. He's just as much "white" as he is "black." As far as your comment that "white people will never back someone of color over their own kind." Look in the mirror my friend and then tell me how YOU plan to vote. Who's racist now?

"I don't think it matters. That means Obama would get 85 % of the larger democratic vote. In addition, a portion of the 15% won't vote at all."

Agree with you and further - how many of these Clinton supporters are in irrelevent states of Texas, Arizona and other BLOOD Red states that aren't likely to give a single electoral vote in the general election.

And is Ohio really going to go Blue this time or are we going to listen to them whine on an on about the sorry state of their economy while they vote Republican yet again. Just about as dumb as Floriduh.

"I don't think it matters. That means Obama would get 85 % of the larger democratic vote. In addition, a portion of the 15% won't vote at all."

Agree with you and further - how many of these Clinton supporters are in irrelevent states of Texas, Arizona and other BLOOD Red states that aren't likely to give a single electoral vote in the general election.

And is Ohio really going to go Blue this time or are we going to listen to them whine on an on about the sorry state of their economy while they vote Republican yet again. Just about as dumb as Floriduh.

Paint me as one of the Obamacans, who would vote for McCain over HRC.

Anyone
But
Clinton

in 2008!

I don't care who anyone votes for but there is so much out there that is not getting reported. What is this religious organization that Senator Clinton belongs to called the Family? I dunno gotta take a look at it - doesn't sound very open. However this is the statement from her old church.

But the pastor at the church that Clinton did once attend has recently expressed public support for Wright. He's even proclaimed it a "grave injustice" to make a judgment on Wright based off of "two or three sound bites," and criticized those who would "use a few of [Wright's] quotes to polarize."

Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

Snyder, it should be noted, was not the pastor at Foundry during the Clinton years. That was the previous minister, J. Philip Wogaman. Moreover, there seems to be confusion as to exactly what church Clinton now attends. Her campaign did not return requests for comment.

MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT. Barack Obama.

Should, should Obama get the nomination over Hillary count me as a McCain supporter. Obama has proved one thing only and that is that he is lost! MSNBC and CNN are determined to shove Obama down our throat. Well I am not going for their crap. Hillary is far more knowledgeable and will unite the country. Obama is so wrapped up in playing the race card. Obama has been stuck in neutral over this Pastor Disaster race issue for the last 2 weeks. How could he possible unite the country. I hate to say this but Barack has been a major disappointment.

Hillary For President

Americans are starting to get the message. The Obama message is not UNIFYING - it is actually quite divisive.

Obama himself is scary - and not a very nice guy. I mean he equates his grandmother racial sterotypes with
the hate monger Rev Jeremiah Wright.
Then he USES her image in Pennsylvania
in an attempt to appeal to the locals.
He pulled out this ad just for Pennsylvania. So Grandma is good only for getting votes but really isnt any
better than Rev Wright ?

Yes, Hilaryites. If Obama gets the
nomination - VOTE REPUBLICAN.

To K-los

What does Obama has to do with Reverend Wright?

He has been a role model and spiritual advisor to him and his family dummy for 20 years or so. Why am I even responding? You are probably 15 years old!! Well you write like you are??

Obama will NEVER get my vote!!!!

HILLARY '08 or I'll vote McCain!!

Why is this news to anyone? Let's do the math:

a) Hillary is, for all intensive purposes. a neoconservative

b) 3 in 10 of her supporters probably can be classified as neoconservative feminists

c) With Hillary out of the race in November, her above mentioned neoconservative voters would rather vote for McCain, a conservative, than Obama, a liberal.

Again, why is this news to anyone?

It doesn't really matter because it is the Independents that will decide this election. That is why McCain emerged on the Republican side and why Obama will on the Democratic.

The days of holding every member of your party and winning by 1% are behind us.

Thanks God for that!

I thought this story would fan the flames of hate between the democrats -- but, interestingly enough it seems like it brought democratic members together. I guess it goes to show you... the best way to get people on the same page is to give them a common enemy.

IF no Hillary...I will go for McCain. Nation Interests is much more IMPORTANT.

QUOTE "That's not a surprise.

Hillary is more of a corporate Republican than even John McCain."

I suppose we should just do away with corporate America and the tens of millions of jobs it creates. That way, everyone can either work for the gubment or get a welfare check from the "rich" people. Socialism demonstrated via an Obamacon!

Count me among the Clinton supporters who will not vote for Obama if he is nominated. He is far too inexperienced and his foreign policy speech from 3/19/08 reveals a fundamentally neoconservative outlook except for undated and refined tactics. Clinton's foreign policy speech at George Washington University shows a genuinely liberal foreign policy orientation that balances stregth and diplomatic engagement.

Rob S -- yeah, I do know what it means. I may not be up on the latest PC lingo, but I know better than to say "retarded," which is what you effectively did when you referred everybody to the DSM-IV. I wonder how your clients, or their families, would feel about you making fun of them in order to make a nasty political point. I suggest you stop kissing your own picture and take stock of your flaws.

Obama nanny state, you forgot all the union obamacons who will be out of a job because their corporate employers have gone out of business. It's the obaman utopia.

It's hard to remember, sometimes, because it's in the interest of both the media and the Clinton camp for us to forget, but: Barack Obama has won this nomination.

If you've seen the math you know that Hillary is going to end this season with fewer pledged delegates. She would have to convince two-thirds of remaining super delegates to violate the will of voting Democrats to steal this from Obama supporters. That is unthinkable, so I've stopped thinking it.

Obama is our winner, and he is a much better person for the job than any of us could have hoped for, or even imagined a few months ago.

Very easy choice for me this year. Anyone who voted to authorize Bush's Iraq disaster will NEVER get my vote. That's Clinton and McCain.

I have voted in every election starting in 1972. Should Obama get the nomination, he will get my most enthusiastic vote. If not, I'll look for a qualified independent, or sit this one out for the first time ever.

Once again, CNN has fed the US a pack of lies and we now find out that it isn't just radical Obama supporters who won't support Hillary. Good, kind Americans won't support a racist-in-chief for President of the US. Cindy

You are hilarious, on top of that ignorant and classless!

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_03_24/article.html

A link to a piece by Andrew Bacevich on McCain vs. Obama.

McCain and Hillary will continue gouging us and fattening defense contractors and special interests with our treasury funds. There are more private contractors in Iraq than soldiers. Read Naomi Klein's new book on "disaster capitalism," or Michael Parenti's The Sword and the Dollar for background and to understand the real purposes and consequences of US foreign "policy."

McCain and Hillary will continue gouging us and fattening defense contractors and special interests with our treasury funds. There are more private contractors in Iraq than soldiers. Read Naomi Klein's new book on "disaster capitalism," or Michael Parenti's The Sword and the Dollar for background and to understand the real purposes and consequences of US foreign "policy."

Obama has been using the race card from day one as a shield and a weapon. he's been wrongly accusing people of racism at the drop of a hat, and claiming to be nice and not negative or divisive. Now people realize he is not nice, he is divisive he gives great speeches but offers no solutions, and he wanted the speech to end his problems and move-on.

That's because until now Obama has had treatment that is unprecidented in for a candidate, particularly for one that is the least experienced to run for President in modern time. He does not want the party to be over. He's been operating from a position where he expects the press to be too scared he will acuse them of racism and give him a free ride.

Wrightgate will not go away, just because Obama used him, probably at first to make high-level contacts, and meet Oprah, and then asked him to resign from the church to help Obama. This says something about Obama's character, he is not loyal, and that's a pattern and a problem.

His second problem is he's been attacking Hillary and at the same time calling her negative and it's trickery and he did it enough that people caught on. The thirt problem is as people start to look at his associations with Rezko, and Farrakhan and Rev Right, and how he subjected his children to racism, when there are many churches to choose from his judgment is in question. Then he lied at first and said, after 20 years in the church and knowing the tapes were sold he knew nothing about a speech about Hillary among other things. That goes to his credibility.

Why is it that only the Chicago Press reports the Rezko trial, it's the double-standard race related playing race as a shield and a sword Obam's been doing, and it's not fair and the parties over, and it won't just go away, because the problem isn't Rev Wright anymore it's how Obama responds to a crisis, and how he expects special treatment, and how when you negotiate as a leader you can't lie first and wait for your speech writers to write a speech so you can smooth it over and expect the problems to just go away.

Obama is finally being treated, regardless of race, and he's not happy about it because it forces him to come down to earth like a regular mortal candidate.

When is the Obama lovefest going to end?! It's making me sick. The guy has no experience; empty, "soundbite" ideas; questionable associates; and a big, fat phoney baloney personality. Wake up people! The Democrats will once again reap what they've sown (i.e., didn't nominating John Kerry teach you anything?). Frankly, regardless of who the nominee is, McCain is going to win a commanding victory.

What do you expect since Barack is a racist. He's been exposed, the emperor has no clothes.

This typical white person will never ever vote for Obama!

(What do you expect since Barack is a racist.)

Barack O'Bama is half white, and he was raised by a white mother, white grandmother and white grandfather. He did not meet his father's African family until he was an adult.

Again: Please read the speech. It offers an intelligent, thoughtful and moving exploration of racism in our time. It contains more depth than any statement on racism that I have seen from any candidate in either camp.

In reply to Paul M who speaks of the super delegates violating the will of the people.

MYTH: For Hillary to win, super delegates must "overturn the will of the people."

FACT: The race is virtually tied, the "will of the people" is split, and both candidates need super delegates to win.

The Obama campaign and Sen. Obama's surrogates have engaged in a sustained public relations effort to convince people that the election is over and that if super delegates perform their established role of choosing a candidate who they believe will make the best nominee and president, they are somehow "overturning the will of the people." They have the audacity to make this argument while quietly and systematically courting those very same super delegates. They are courting them because they know that Sen. Obama needs super delegates to win. The Obama spin is being parroted daily by pundits, but it is patently false. The race is virtually tied; the "will of the people" is split. By virtually every measure, Hillary and Sen. Obama are neck and neck -- separated by less than 130 of the more than 3,100 delegates committed thus far and less than 1% of the 27 million+ votes cast, including Florida and Michigan. Less than 1%.

An incremental advantage for one candidate or the other is hardly a reason for super delegates to change the rules mid-game. Despite the Obama campaign's aggressive spin and pressure, the RULES require super delegates to exercise their best independent judgment, and that is what they will do. Even Sen. Obama's top strategist agrees they should. If not, then why don't prominent Obama endorsers like Senators Kerry (MA) and Kennedy (MA), and Governors Patrick (MA), Napolitano (AZ) and Richardson (NM) follow the will of their constituents and switch their support to Hillary? After all, she won their states. And if this is truly about the "will of the people," then Sen. Obama's short-sighted tactic to run out the clock on a revote in Florida and Michigan accomplishes exactly two things: it disenfranchises Florida and Michigan's voters; and it hurts Democrats in a general election. Apparently, for the Obama campaign, the "will of the people" is just words.

I was NOT a Hillary supporter and I’m definitely NOT an Obama supporter. If I was before, I would definitely not be a supporter now after all of this factual news that neither side has any truth or character inside their pathetic bodies. Look at Todd Stroger, I’m disgusted by all the people who voted for him. Look at the Mayor of Detroit, another class act. Look at the former Gov. of New York, another Democrat. Runs in the family—corruption, lack of morals, and above all lack of leadership. Obama thought he had convinced everyone that he had that quality of being above race and possessing leadership skills, as we have seen in the past weeks, he is completely void of both. In regards to Jeremiah Wright, he is not a minister, he is a social gospel preacher. Men of God, preach the word of God not the hateful speech that came out of his mouth. Just because maybe he didn’t say it all of the time, STILL does not make it right. We do choose our church and our ministers. Obama just chose one who just might be a racist or at least makes racist comments and got caught. Don Imus was lead down the street w/a shirt on saying he was a racist by another questionable reverend, Al Sharpton. But according to Whoopi and Joy on The View, “It’s okay for oppressed people to be racist.” Whoopi takes it a step further and states that the U.S. who has blessed her w/fame and wealth, is a racist country. Indeed there are racist people, but the entire U.S. is not racist as Whoopi would state. Her statement was idiotic, which certainly did reflect poorly on her character. Bet you didn’t write an article about that. Personally, I feel that the many who are supposedly leaders in the African-American community keep racism alive, they nurture it and use it like a trump card in Vegas. Many successful African-Americans have risen above the hate and given so much to this country. I would love to see an open honest dialogue between whites and blacks, unfortunately it won’t happen because the whites would be made out to be racists. However, how is it possible to have a state of the black union address? What if white people had that? Oh, can’t, no can do, why? It would be racist.

All the fighting between Clinton and supporters and Obama and supporters reminds me of couples going through a divorce. Each side wants to portray the other side so negatively and win as much as they can, that they lose sight of the damage they inflict on the children (i.e. our country and its citizens). Unfortunately, I feel like Hillary is acting like the bitter wife that cares more about herself than she does about her country. I voted for her in the Illinois Primary and saw her as a strong woman. Now I see her as a selfish and self-centered woman. But either Democratic nominee would get my vote in November.

This is rich...didn't Obama state in a confident manner that he would be able to win all of Clinton's supporters. So who was the eltist in this election?

Ok - so put Clinton out now - end it for her and stop this suicide mission that her supporters seem to be on with her. Once she is out - they have nothing to snarl about. Then let's sit back and see how long and how many of them can hold onto their resentment. But don't cave to them - nope - no way.

This polls show how the voters respond to blatant discrimination by the media towards Clinton and sexism from Obama. Obama's camp has called her monster; the media called her a liar misspeaking about Bonia, yet they never call him a liar for the Wright or Rezko scandal.

He has not been vetted by the media the same way that Clinton did. So, whatever votes he gets are just not earned through hard work, grit and experience.

My guess is that these numbers include the Republicans who voted for Clinton in the primaries -- specifically to ensure that she ends up as the candidate, so they can then vote for the GOP against her.

Can't you hardly wait for a third Bush term? Save us from this continuing national nightmare...

deanno wrote:
Obama chose to associate himself with this guy for many years. Why shouldn't he be tarnished. Obama is getting what he deserves after a half year of fawning praise by the main stream press.
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bill f. wrote:
There's a lot of twisting and turning going on. One reason I am leaving a comment is based on a column from a week or so ago after Obama's speech about his Pastor. After re-reading it I see you were quoting some guy who I don't know who or why he was being quoted about how the people who needed to hear what Sen. Obama was saying, "White males" are most likely to not hear the message. Add into that recent news stories about the Governor of a large state saying White Males in his state will never vote for Senator Obama.

I'm a white male. I'm insulted. YOu have implied that all white males are bigoted morons. Let me set matters straight for you. I have rarely voted for Democrats in my life, mostly because I find their candidates bigger jokes then the Republicans offer. I didn't vote for the first Black Senator from Illinois, Senator Braun, but not because she was a womar or because she was black, but because she was a joke. I also did not vote for her white male opponent on the republican side because he was an even bigger buffoon. After 6 years of her tomfoolery she got shown the door, basically lost a job that for all intents and purposes is a lifetime job if you want it. I also voted for Bush, twice, not because I liked him, I think he's a nice man but also an idiot. No, because his opponents would have been worse, if you can imagine that. But I have happily voted for Senator Obama. How about that, a white man who actually thinks about a candidate before he votes. Senator Obama won HUGE 4 years ago. He won huge because white males did vote for him. His recent speech is an excellent reason why. He thinks. He reasons. He gives his message. His message is not a dangerous one, in fact its a very good one. Senator Obama and I might disagree on any number of things, and I'll vote for him anyway. Because the value of the man is far more important then the programs he wants and the issues he will pursue as the chief executive. In short, he's the best PERSON for the job. I spend my time in the company of white males. Many of them think exactly the same way I do. I'm insulted for them also. OK, this column is about Hillary. I'm not a big fan of the Clinton's. Hillary is my least favorite Clinton. I don't dislike her because she's a woman. I dislike her because I feel she's dishonest, a cheat, a liar, and I think she skated on some very serious charges related to the collapse of a bank in Arkansas related to the real estate scams that she benefited from while 'first lady' of Arkansas. She does not have the values I'd like in a president. Her actions in recent months have done nothing to dissuade me from my mental picture of her. She would be a disaster as president. I also watched the Rev. Wright's speech on U-tube, the whole speech. He is quoting a republican from President Reagan's administration with his 'chicken's coming home to roost' comment. This is America. The Rev. Wright is allowed to speak his mind, even if I do not agree with it, and he is free to admire the leader of the Black Muslim church if he wants to. I am certain that I do not agree with everything or even most things that my pastor believes in. I go to church, I am not a lemming. Let's put this in perspective. People vote for people for both good and bad reasons. And by people I mean ALL people. I think most people really do make an effort to reason this out for them and I'm getting real tired of being shuffled into the 'stupid' category based on my race. I'm white, get over it. Last election I was offended by the 'soccer moms and Nascar Dads' remarks that came from the Democratic party and were quickly repeated ad naseum by the news business. White does not mean redneck. And by the way, the demographics of a Nascar fan indicate that they are relatively affluent, educated, and motivated. In short, they have money, are not stupid and are capable of being influenced. Do not pander to that crowd, they will be suitable insulted. Make your case.
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prob wrote:
Mary,

I'm a black female Captain in the U.S. Army. I have served for over 20 years and I love the United States. Having done tours in Iraq and other countries, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world.

Obama and his links to Rev. Wright/Rezco is bad judgement....and blacks need to own up to it and STOP making excuses for Obama & Wright. I refuse to be blinded because Obama is bi-racial.

Before these stories broke, I spoke to my 14 & 12 year old daughters about not hanging around those who have a bad reputation or continuously do negative things, because others will believe they are the same way....Obama should have had the intelligence to also know this by now…perception is reality!

Wright should NEVER use the pulpit to voice political rhetoric...regardless if they are true or not. The pulpit is ONLY for God's word. I distastefully saw people...mostly young....crying, worshipping, and idolizing Obama at his rallies...calling him the Messiah. In my gut I saw trouble coming because of this.

The ONLY Messiah is Jesus Christ. When Obama didn't ask these young people to tone it down, and when he relished from being in the spotlight because of it....he lost my vote. NO ONE puts him/herself on a pedestal acting as if they are Jesus Christ...ONLY Jesus Christ does that. And why on earth would a Christian preacher (Wright) give a lifetime achievement award to a Muslim......Farrakhan???? As a Christian, this is very suspicious to me.

Futhermore, I also blame white college kids who are Obama's core supporters. They also spew hate all over the Internet in defense of Obama 24/7. They blindfully supported Obama WITHOUT researching his platform....then alot of other whites followed suit without realizing that Obama and his wife Michelle were manipulating them to get their votes.

Bottom line....Obama needs to withdraw from the presidential race and the people of Illinois can deal with him and his Senate seat. He cannot win the GE, and he will make it worse for future black candidates.

Every candidate/man of God....including Obama and Wright, need to be held to the same standard...regardless of the color of their skin. If Obama was a white candidate....lets say Hillary Clinton and Wright was a white preacher....they would be fried by the media, black politicians and me....and rightfully so!

I have been saying to family & friends for a year that Obama wasn't ready YET to be President...maybe in 8 years or a Governorship FIRST. Remember, you never want to set a person up for failure. As a Captain in the Army, my superiors would never put me in a position that I wasn't trained/ready for…. it could cost lives! The same should be the standard for the office of the Presidency.

The basic experience Obama needs to be President is just NOT there yet. Sadly, Obama's chances of holding a political office in the future are probably gone forever.

Let both Barack and Hillary run as Democratic candidates in November in all the states or selected states.

And McCAIN, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, et al

The Electoral College decides who wins not the popular vote.

Stop gaming our system [Electoral College] by pre-selecting at Conventions only one candidate for each party.

Leave it to the election lawyers and activists in each state to decide the details--names of electors pledged to each candidate, etc. [maybe Nader would accept the same electors as Barack and/or Hillary].

My initial reaction would be to vote for McCain because Obama and Clinton are squabbling like two pre-schoolers at this point. The problem with that though is McCain has veered to the right in the last 8 years and swore to appoint strict conservatives to the Supreme Court. I'm pro women's rights so I'll probably swallow hard and vote for whoever the democratic nominee is in the fall.

Clinton supporters: Do not let your candidate's hubris, will to power, and win-at-any-cost sleaze infect you. More and more Americans see the Clintons as themselves supporting McCain in 2008--the idea being that Hillary can take him on in 2012. Do you really want eight--or even four--more years of war, fat-cat economics, and benign neglect of the health care crisis?

Most of Clinton's support comes from blue collar workers. These are the same blue collar workers who continue to get put out of their jobs because of trade agreements the Clinton's set up when they were in White House. Yet still somehow thier support for the Clinton's is stronger than ever. I know Hillary has flipflopped on trade but she has still failed to realize the true problems, it still only benefits management and shareholders, not the workers. And can someone please tell me why these people would rather support McCain over Obama? McCain is another huge supporter of Globalization, possibly even bigger than the Clinton's! Obama supports amendments to trade agreement and has been a big critic of them. Are these voters blinded by other unimportant issues?

If the FL voters are PO's they should not vote Republican ass it was the republican Governor who moved the primary are the Hillary voters just too dumb to figure that out?? Yeah take it out on Barack, whom has done nothing but run a very straight above board campaign....and one other thing he is half white!!! Why does everyone seem to forget this?

racist fools

Senator Tonya Harding-Rodham-Clinton probably has more people that hate her than anyone! I could NEVER figure out why the Republican Party hated the Clinton's so much? I watched as the Clinton's passed NAFTA, reduced Welfare, reduced government regulations on economic institutions, reduced taxes for the wealthy and pretty much avoided any Democratic Party principles. After the tooth and nail attacks by the Clinton Machine, if she is the nominee for the Democrats, I will not vote for any Democrat! I will stay home! I am a 51 year old white male and union member and have NEVER missed an elction since I was 18, and I approved this message!

I can't understand why people don't realize some AMERICANS DON'T WANT A BLACK PRESIDENT! Hence the higher Hillary supporters voting Republican rather than for a black man.

Stop with the irrelevant non-important polls. There are more important issues we are facing in this world than numbers of speculation of an election that is over 7 months away....

So I guess, 7 out of 10 Obamites prefer Nader over Hillary Clinton!

I'd have a hard time voting for Hillary if I was paid cash.

So I'm an Obama supporter who would vote for McCain rather than her if she somehow "steals" the nomination if Obama's ahead in delegates & states won.

If she pulls off a legitimate miracle and wins 80% of each state upcoming, I'd maybe vote if Obama asked his supporters to.

But if she gets there through any kind of underhanded manner, some backroom deal or other dirty process, bright and early the next morning I'd show up at the McCain HQ for signs and canvassing assignments.

And it's not something I'd do lightly as I have a son in Iraq as we speak. But I swear I'd do it just to protest against her stealing this election.

I'm sick of her sense of entitlement and certainly don't trust her to speak the truth if she was handcuffed to it.

When I found myself agreeing with www.hillarythemovie.com that's when I realized she is driving me to the Republicans.

Regarding:

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_03_24/article.html

A link to a piece by Andrew Bacevich on McCain vs. Obama.

Posted by: Huh? | March 26, 2008 5:56 PM

A good story, and one I didn't expect from the American Conservative magazine... wow.

Patty-Chicago:

You are full of it. The race is not tied. Obama has a lead Clinton can not overcome. Go ahead, vote for McCain, but if you do, you are not paying attention and apparently only vote based on emotion.

Sorry, but Obama is the one who caused the party split by trying to present himself as mainstream when he isn't. "Vote for him or else you're a racist" isn't going to work. Neither is "vote for him or else the party splits" - maybe it's time the party does split, and the center join with Republicans who are fed up with their far-extreme wing. Wake up! There's a real world outside of your school campus!

"Should Sen Clinton win the nomination many Obama supporters won't vote at all...I'm just sayin'"

The reverse is likely to be more substantial, which would widen those poll numbers even further -- against Obama.

Also, if Obama wins the nomination, look for an 'Iraq trap' based on yet unreleased info from the captured documents, some of which we have just seen.

McCain, with collaboration from the Bush Republicans, will surely have a potent weapon against Obama ready and waiting.

He cannot win.

I for one would not vote for Obama. I did my home work, Obama is not what people think he is. Since 1995, he has one way or another tried to promote himself in to some one he is not. I find him dishonest, calculating and cunning politician, who has gotten to the status he has , on the words, promises and solutions of others. He has used race for sympathy and the distortion of the real Obama. His choices have shown me the type of person he is and that type of person does not belong in the White House.

RE: How can Hillary not be the nominee?

Posted by: brigitte sanz | March 26, 2008 10:35 AM

Well Brigitte, It's simple really, Obama has more delegates, more popular vote and Hillary can't catch up. So for any sane person who had anything other than self serving motives, they would drop out. But because she thinks she should inherit the presidency she'll divide the Democratic party rather than drop out probably expecting us to fall into line.

She'll have a big surprise coming if she bullies the DNC into this, and McCain will become President because of her selfishness.

We were laughing at Mike Huckabee for this same thing, but he's more than forgotten while we do the Republicans work for them.

RE: How can Hillary not be the nominee?

Posted by: brigitte sanz | March 26, 2008 10:35 AM

Well Brigitte, It's simple really, Obama has more delegates, more popular vote and Hillary can't catch up. So for any sane person who had anything other than self serving motives, they would drop out. But because she thinks she should inherit the presidency she'll divide the Democratic party rather than drop out probably expecting us to fall into line.

She'll have a big surprise coming if she bullies the DNC into this, and McCain will become President because of her selfishness.

We were laughing at Mike Huckabee for this same mathematical miscalculation but he's more than forgotten while we do the Republicans work for them.

A number of comments refer to Clinton "sense of entitlement". What about Obama's? He and his supporters seem to think that they can run roughshod over everyone because he's the ONE! Or is it because he's black (at least partly) and they're owed this to make up for all the real and imagined wrongs?

RE: Posted by: Jo | March 26, 2008 8:37 PM Sorry, but Obama is the one who caused the party split by trying to present himself as mainstream when he isn't.

Uh Jo, hate to pop your hot air balloon, but Obama is winning because more Americans voted for him to date...more delegates, more popular votes , anyway you want to cut it, he's winning.

Winning in many snow-white states, winning in many "red states" and he's the only candidate with a positive plan for ending not only the war, but the "logic & reasoning" (totally an oxymoron)that dragged us into it.

If anyone is splitting the Democratic party, it's the liar Hillary hanging on expecting to somehow steal the election from him.

Thank you Tim,

I am full of it, if "it" is the truth.

I guess we will just have to take your word for it that the race is over. Will you be calling both the campaigns to let them know? How about all the news outlets? Will you call the pollsters too?

I think that it should be your job to let everyone know this information as it's obvious that only you were trusted enough to be told about this. Now, go on! Get on out there and stop the madness!

This poll is probably just some b.s. Mark Penn stacked. Maybe he even threw in a little of his own (rumored-to-be) million dollar monthly salary to bribe someone into making it look good for his gal Rodham.

Hey, if Diebold can steal elections, and if 5 corporate jerks who play golf together control all Western mainstream media, don't you think stacking some polls would be small potatoes?

RE:A number of comments refer to Clinton "sense of entitlement". What about Obama's? He and his supporters seem to think that they can run roughshod over everyone because he's the ONE!

Ummm, yeah, he IS the one...the one who has more votes, more states and more delegates and Hillary does not have a chance unless she wins like 80% of EACH state, which will not happen.

So I guess in any other election against any other candidate, we kind of do feel "Entitled"...what's Hillarys excuse?

Obama isn't entitled to the presidency. He has to earn it. Thus far he hasn't, but he has the media on his side who continue to give Obama a pass on racism, ect.

Clintonites:

"TRUTH, JUSTICE, and THE AMERICAN WAY!"

Obamabots:

"I can't believe I ate the whole thing."

Give me a break,

Will you Clinton haters and Obama enemies stop and listen to yourselves? What you are saying is that you would rather plunge our nation into total destruction by electing a Bush surrogate in McCain than Hillary or Barack who belongs to a party that has historically always looked out for the interests of regular Americans. What you are saying is that because of your illogical pride and, for some, racism, you would rather vote for a man, McCain, who would continue to support corporate greed, your sons and daughters dying in Iraq for a immoral war and futile victory. Folks, wake up, we are at an abyss. All democrats MUST come together no matter who the candidate, no matter what subjective feelings you might have toward that candidate, because in the long run, both Hillary and Barak are on the same team, and just because each of them wants the top spot, sometimes by hook or by crook, it's POLITICS FOR PETE'S SAKE. The hunger to win may be our salvation as a nation.

My late granny once told me that a black person had a slim chance of becoming president because some type of division would eventually stop him or her from winning! My granny was a superdelegate when she passed in 2000. I guess she was right. Sadly

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-self, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Anyone heard from or seen Oprah promoting O'Bama lately? No, I didn't think so. Oprah was smart enough to unhitch her wagon from a train wreck called the "O'Bama/Wright/Rezco Express." Smart woman. Perhaps she should run for President!