Comedian Sinbad weighs in on foreign pol. debate: The Swamp
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Posted March 14, 2008 8:15 AM
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by Don Frederick

Barack Obama's presidential campaign took the serious approach earlier this week in attempting to refute rival Hillary Clinton's claim that her time as first lady had the side effect of turning her into a grizzled foreign-policy hand. But the Obama campaign also got a light-hearted assist in making its case from Sinbad (pictured right), the comedian.

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Chatting with Mary Ann Akers, who pens the Washington Post's Sleuth blog, Sinbad scoffed at the notion that the trip that he, Clinton and singer Sheryl Crow took to Bosnia in 1996 was a perilous mission freighted with import.

The excursion's primary goal was to provide some entertainment for U.S. troops and, according to Sinbad (via the Sleuth), the scariest part of the trip "was wondering where he'd eat next."

In a quote that has gained some notice, the avowed Obama supporter went on to tell Akers: "I think the only 'red-phone' moment was: 'Do we eat here or at the next place.' "

Much as Obama might be tempted to invoke Sinbad's crack the next time he and Clinton debate and she broaches the questions her campaign has raised about his foreign-policy experience, he more likely will take as his guide a more sober-minded memo.

The missive was issued Tuesday by Greg Craig, a one-time State Department official who switched gears to play a major role in defending Bill Clinton during the impeachment turmoil and now, intriguingly, backs and counsels Obama. Exploring a number of specific fronts -- Northern Ireland, Kosovo, China and others -- he asserts that, as the release was headlined, Clinton's "claims of foreign policy experience are exaggerated."

You can read Craig's argument in its entirety below.

Don Frederick is a political editor in the Washington bureau of the Los Angeles Times and wrote this for Top of the Ticket, the L.A. Times' political blog.

The memo here appeared in Real Clear Politics:

Senator Clinton's Claims of Foreign Policy Experience Are Exaggerated

By Greg Craig

To: Interested Parties

From: Greg Craig, former director, Policy Planning Office, U.S. State Department

RE: Senator Clinton's claim to be experienced in foreign policy: Just words?

DA: March 11, 2008

When your entire campaign is based upon a claim of experience, it is important that you have evidence to support that claim. Hillary Clinton's argument that she has passed "the Commander- in-Chief test" is simply not supported by her record.

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady. It is well known, for example, that she led the failed effort to pass universal health insurance. There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration. She did not sit in on National Security Council meetings. She did not have a security clearance. She did not attend meetings in the Situation Room. She did not manage any part of the national security bureaucracy, nor did she have her own national security staff. She did not do any heavy-lifting with foreign governments, whether they were friendly or not. She never managed a foreign policy crisis, and there is no evidence to suggest that she participated in the decision-making that occurred in connection with any such crisis. As far as the record shows, Senator Clinton never answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue - not at 3 AM or at any other time of day.

When asked to describe her experience, Senator Clinton has cited a handful of international incidents where she says she played a central role. But any fair-minded and objective judge of these claims - i.e., by someone not affiliated with the Clinton campaign - would conclude that Senator Clinton's claims of foreign policy experience are exaggerated.

Northern Ireland:

Senator Clinton has said, "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland." It is a gross overstatement of the facts for her to claim even partial credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland. She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true. First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy. But at no time did she play any role in the critical negotiations that ultimately produced the peace. As the Associated Press recently reported, "[S]he was not directly involved in negotiating the Good Friday peace accord." With regard to her main claim that she helped bring women together, she did participate in a meeting with women, but, according to those who know best, she did not play a pivotal role. The person in charge of the negotiations, former Senator George Mitchell, said that "[The First Lady] was one of many people who participated in encouraging women to get involved, not the only one."

News of Senator Clinton's claims has raised eyebrows across the ocean. Her reference to an important meeting at the Belfast town hall was debunked. Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on. She also attended a 50-minute meeting which, according to the Belfast Daily Telegraph's report at the time, "[was] a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times." Brian Feeney, an Irish author and former politician, sums it up: "The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn’t on it."

Bosnia:

Senator Clinton has pointed to a March 1996 trip to Bosnia as proof that her foreign travel involved a life-risking mission into a war zone. She has described dodging sniper fire. While she did travel to Bosnia in March 1996, the visit was not a high-stakes mission to a war zone. On March 26, 1996, the New York Times reported that "Hillary Rodham Clinton charmed American troops at a U.S.O. show here, but it didn't hurt that the singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad were also on the stage."

Kosovo:

Senator Clinton has said, "I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo." It is true that, as First Lady, she traveled to Macedonia and visited a Kosovar refugee camp. It is also true that she met with government officials while she was there. First Ladies frequently meet with government officials. Her claim to have "negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo," however, is not true. Her trip to Macedonia took place on May 14, 1999. The borders were opened the day before, on May 13, 1999.

The negotiations that led to the opening of the borders were accomplished by the people who ordinarily conduct negotiations with foreign governments - U.S. diplomats. President Clinton's top envoy to the Balkans, former Ambassador Robert Gelbard, said, "I cannot recall any involvement by Senator Clinton in this issue." Ivo Daalder worked on the Clinton Administration's National Security Council and wrote a definitive history of the Kosovo conflict. He recalls that "she had absolutely no role in the dirty work of negotiations."

Rwanda:

Last year, former President Clinton asserted that his wife pressed him to intervene with U.S. troops to stop the Rwandan genocide. When asked about this assertion, Hillary Clinton said it was true. There is no evidence, however, to suggest that this ever happened. Even those individuals who were advocating a much more robust U.S. effort to stop the genocide did not argue for the use of U.S. troops. No one recalls hearing that Hillary Clinton had any interest in this course of action. Based on a fair and thorough review of National Security Council deliberations during those tragic months, there is no evidence to suggest that U.S. military intervention was ever discussed. Prudence Bushnell, the Assistant Secretary of State with responsibility for Africa, has recalled that there was no consideration of U.S. military intervention.

At no time prior to her campaign for the presidency did Senator Clinton ever make the claim that she supported intervening militarily to stop the Rwandan genocide. It is noteworthy that she failed to mention this anecdote - urging President Clinton to intervene militarily in Rwanda - in her memoirs. President Clinton makes no mention of such a conversation with his wife in his memoirs. And Madeline Albright, who was Ambassador to the United Nations at the time, makes no mention of any such event in her memoirs.

Hillary Clinton did visit Rwanda in March 1998 and, during that visit, her husband apologized for America's failure to do more to prevent the genocide.

China:

Senator Clinton also points to a speech that she delivered in Beijing in 1995 as proof of her ability to answer a 3 AM crisis phone call. It is strange that Senator Clinton would base her own foreign policy experience on a speech that she gave over a decade ago, since she so frequently belittles Barack Obama’s speeches opposing the Iraq War six years ago. Let there be no doubt: she gave a good speech in Beijing, and she stood up for women's rights. But Senator Obama's opposition to the War in Iraq in 2002 is relevant to the question of whether he, as Commander-in-Chief, will make wise judgments about the use of military force. Senator Clinton's speech in Beijing is not.

Senator Obama's speech opposing the war in Iraq shows independence and courage as well as good judgment. In the speech that Senator Clinton says does not qualify him to be Commander in Chief, Obama criticized what he called "a rash war . . . a war based not on reason, but on passion, not on principle, but on politics." In that speech, he said prophetically: "[E]ven a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences." He predicted that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would "fan the flames of the Middle East," and "strengthen the recruitment arm of al Qaeda." He urged the United States first to "finish the fight with Bin Laden and al Qaeda."

If the U.S. government had followed Barack Obama's advice in 2002, we would have avoided one of the greatest foreign policy catastrophes in our nation's history. Some of the most "experienced" men in national security affairs - Vice President Cheney and Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others - led this nation into that catastrophe. That lesson should teach us something about the value of judgment over experience. Longevity in Washington, D.C. does not guarantee either wisdom of judgment.

Conclusion:

The Clinton campaign's argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night. There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed "the Commander-in-Chief test." That claim - as the TV ad - consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

On the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation - the War in Iraq - Senator Clinton voted in support of a resolution entitled "The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of U.S. Military Force Against Iraq." As she cast that vote, she said: "This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make - any vote that may lead to war should be hard - but I cast it with conviction." In this campaign, Senator Clinton has argued - remarkably - that she wasn't actually voting for war, she was voting for diplomacy. That claim is no more credible than her other claims of foreign policy experience. The real tragedy is that we are still living with the terrible consequences of her misjudgment. The Bush Administration continues to cite that resolution as its authorization - like a blank check - to fight on with no end in sight.

Barack Obama has a very simple case. On the most important commander in chief test of our generation, he got it right, and Senator Clinton got it wrong. In truth, Senator Obama has much more foreign policy experience than either Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan had when they were elected. Senator Obama has worked to confront 21st century challenges like proliferation and genocide on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He possesses the personal attributes of a great leader - an even temperament, an open-minded approach to even the most challenging problems, a willingness to listen to all views, clarity of vision, the ability to inspire, conviction and courage.

And Barack Obama does not use false charges and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.

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Comments

It's offical, Hillarys and idiot!!! Sinbad was also in the military.


"Sinbad" typifies the intellectual level of the Obama campaign.

As does poster "Alec Baldwin", who manages 3 grammar/spelling mistakes ("offical"?) in a 5 word sentence.


I can't criticize Alec Baldwin! He's the greatest actor in the world! ~ Team America

Who will be next on the Obamama train? Whoopi Goldberg? Now THATS an endorsement! woo woo!


Now that is the perfect running mate for Hillary - SINBAD! He is a black (with the advantage according to Ferraro) has just as much foreign policy experience as Hillary, and his name pretty much describes the Clintons to a tee!!!!


Basinger:

You obviously have not read the posts from right-wing nutjob Jerry White.


So Sinbad has the same "foreign policy experience" as Hillary?

Why does that not surprise me?


Who really cares about what a comedian says about the political race going on? We already have Oprah, Affleck, Damon, why do we need anymore? Do these people really think they are arrogant enough to influence people? Just because they are celebs does that make them special? I guess to the people voting for Obama it must mean something. They need someone to tell them what to do, they have proven they can't speak for themselves.


Most new presidents do not have much foreign policy experience, but Hillary has more that Obama.

1. She has traveled to more foreign countries and talked to more foreign leaders.

2. She was married to a president and discussed foreign policy with him.

3. She lived in the White House for 8 years and is comfortable meeting and talking with foreign leaders.

Therefore, she does have MORE foreign policy experience than Obama.


There is no reason to believe, however, that she was a key player in foreign policy at any time during the Clinton Administration.
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Person of Hay
No one, especially Hillary, has claimed she was a key player. Why create a strawman to make a point? Because otherwise your arguements fall flat, as they have here.


According to mbs, Hillary has more foreign policy experience because:

1. She has traveled to more foreign countries and talked to more foreign leaders.

2. She was married to a president and discussed foreign policy with him.

3. She lived in the White House for 8 years and is comfortable meeting and talking with foreign leaders.

Here is my humble opinion:

1. Travelling to more foreign countries doesn't make one an "expert". Case in point: Ghenghis Khan

2. Marrying to a president and "discussed policy" with him. Well, the policy that Hillary discussed with Bill was probably along the line of: not coming home later than 3 AM, no intern younger than 18, that sort of thing.

3. Living in the WH for 8 years? That just reminds the rest of us that Hillary is desparate to go back there and would do anything to get back there.


Go Sinbad! Bringing the funny!


There isn't a company I know of or have worked for that would allow an applicant to become CEO with that much of a padded resume -- even if the applicant were married to the outgoing CEO and lay in bed next to him when he looked over "office stuff."


Just visiting other countries doesn't give you foreign policy experience.

Senator Obama has lived in another country, so shut your face!!!


to mbs:

From what you're saying then all the former first ladies should be eligible for president.

Do you want Barbara Bush or Laura Bush to run your country for 8 years?


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